LEAVING NEVERLAND | True Geordie Podcast
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Leaving Neverland is a 2019 documentary film focusing on Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who describe their experiences meeting Michael Jackson and make several allegations about the singer. The film is directed and produced by the British filmmaker Dan Reed.
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Thank you Brian for opening up about your experience no matter how small you think it might be, it’s not something you should be embarrassed about and hopefully loads of young lads feel like they can talk about their experiences
Took the words out of my mouth. When you here someone your a fan off talk about experiences that they've had, it makes you realise that horrific things like this are much more common than you think.
William Galloway they’re also so normalised and it’s wrong, some kids might watch this and have experienced it and not even realised it was abuse
What’s ur insta b
He’s innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
@@MonkeyMelissa3 Michael Jackson is innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
This podcast of just you 2 needs to happen more often
Too true
True
It's called true news
L F 👨👦
L F happens every week make true news is basically just a weekly version of the original loz and Geordie podcasts
Thanks for sharing your story Brian, It can’t have been easy! You never know who’s listening in the shadows, who you could have given the courage to confront their own trauma. Thank you for standing up for victims 🙏🏻 you’re a top bloke ❤️
Ashley West appreciate that 🙏🏼
You have done a lot for me. Bless you.
@@yogi0692 shut up you asshole, have some respect
Timestamp for that?
25:15
I see Bryan as a more manly man for sharing his story
Boom boom boom I want you in my room.
No one asked
@Machine Cinema3 what 😂
Very strong podcast guys, having a public conversation about this heavy topic knowing that some people will get upset with you shows that you are genuinely trying to help! Also props to uploading a lot of content past few days 🙌🏼
Actors can be deceiving, and convincing evidence does not lie people do and say check and Wade are known Liars
Weird strange does not make you a pedophile
Theres already many lies found on the documentary
He’s innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
@@xxjoeyladxx yup
24:00 wow. You're so strong for sharing your story Brian. There's something about your favorite UA-camr experiencing something similar to me (without publicly going into detail) that just makes me feel not alone anymore. Thank you for having the courage to share your story. I know you probably won't see this but thank you ❤
Rebecca Mitchell hope you’re alright
@@Alex-uy7cz I am ❤ thank you.
45 likes oo
Hope you’re okay and not suffering with that experience alone. Listen to what Brian said closely because he’s spot on, you did nothing wrong and it’s always easier when you speak out and no one would think any differently of you. Don’t suffer alone. ❤️
*25:13
Petition for the Food Reviewer on the TG Podcast🙌
Dutch PLAAAAAANNNNN Der Linde hell yeah
He will be on, just have some god damn faith
Screw dutch
sorry just hate him
Needs to happen
Dutch PLAAAAAANNNNN Der Linde I’m happy to.
Happily my Idols when I was a child were all cartoon characters 😂
That is the safest way lol xD
I hope they weren’t voiced by Jimmy Saville!
I always thought Donald Duck was a bit dodgy
Got bummed by Fred flinstone
@Andy H is every cartoon by Disney?
Ye should do research on madelein mcCann kidnapping and do a podcast around that sone very interesting details when you get into it
Definitely
Totally agree.
This comment needs more likes!
They spoke about it in a xo podcast
ABplays won’t take very long to say her parents killed her
Id love to see you do a Michael Documentary like you did with Mcgregor and Kanye, it’d be amazing for sure
I wouldn't leave him alone the guy is dead
Wasn't a podcast lol
@@Al_o_bri Have you seen there Kanye and McGregor doc's bro? They ain't even similar in the slightest to HBO's XD and being dead literally doesn't change a thing. That just means theres even more info to cover cos he lived his whole life
JAYCE yeah I have and I know what you mean but I’d rather he put the effort into something else, not a doc about a pedo when they just spent 45 minutes talking about it
Just watch Leaving Neverland
True or not; any parent that let's their child go for sleepovers round an adults house, no less an adult accused of being a pedophile, has failed as a parent.
Being starstruck is not good enough of an excuse.
I do agree completely with you but Jackson was the master of manipulation and really used his fame to gain the family trust, but of course that's not really much of an excuse
Accused and unequivocally proven innocent!
Be absolutely certain: there was just ONE MJ. His type is once in a lifetime miracle won't happen in the next century.
@@danlydiate123 how do you knkw that? From the movie. No sane person takes accusations at face value.
@@jayesalonso7328 Yes... but the babysitters did not sleep in the same bed!
Could you do a podcast on Madeline mccan and your opinion please
Ye
oh boy... lol. now that would be interesting.. I would want to be in that video.. lol
Well congrats ya got it
I wonder if you're comment had anything to do with the latest podcast?
Inside job.
Laurence and Brian are two of the most switched on, thought provoking and genuine youtubers on the platform. The way you both articulate the topics and share your experience in a vulnerable and honest way is amazing. Keep doing what you’re doing lads, we all respect you for it ❤️
Finally someone who has said the parents are responsible!!! Famous or not when my children were small I would NEVER allow them anywhere near an adults bedroom. Brilliant video guys 🙂
Emma Hogger I agree 100% with you
That makes them negligent, not responsible. MJ was responsible.
The parents was not responsible for the actions that a different person has done, they could have prevented it but they aren’t responsible
JOE Jackson whipped ALL his children but Jermaine and Janet turned out OK
Damien CALLAGHAN sometimes when people are shot they turn out fine
Well this brings a new meaning to *smooth criminal*
Don't forget the song "just beat it"
why .?? That’s what Dirty Diana said.
Oooooooof
And I’m bad
Damn.... DAMN I didn't think about it. What if he actually wrote those songs with that shit in mind.
What I love about Brian and Laurence is the fact that they evaluate both sides of the argument instead of just telling their opinions. Obviously their opinions are a significant part of their podcasts but I like how they explain the psychological side of the controversy.
If they looked at the facts then they would’ve had a different outcome. Mj has been proven innocent countless of times yet these pair of twats can’t look at simple facts that have diss proven the shitty “leaving neverland”
No they didn't. They didn't talk about the statements the accusers said they just believed the accusers with not fact checking the accusations.
Lawrence is so brilliant. Its something you dont see often when hes focused on interviewing someone else. But when hes just talking about whatever, you can really hear the brilliance he has.
Lawrence is brilliant but I prefer True Gordie's intellect/point of views, I can relate.
I relate to Lawrence in discussions like this he talks less about more than the single topic he talks about everything around it. I know Brian does that but Lawrence seems to do it greater
George Park i didn’t enjoy his manner in the Dan Bilzerian podcast
He’s innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
@@xxjoeyladxx who
Always excited for a new True Geordie podcast. Keep up the good work mate 🙌🏼
Have to say, Laurence was on point in this podcast 👍🏻
Irishlad makes a change, doesn’t it
Harry Doyle No, he’s always the more insightful one tbh.
Harry Doyle just cos you’ll never be half as intellectual as him
Thomas Revill What the fuck are you actually trying to say.
Irishlad are you kidding me is an idiot he thinks the vanity fair article was true even though it’s complete false which is true
“Michael has a good childhood “ mate he was beaten by his dad.
Scarlett Luty yeah...he was abused terribly. His dad was a monster. I don’t know what to think about this documentary that came out. I do know a few of the things said can’t be true, Safechuck made allegations about being abused at the station in there, but that can’t be true due to the fact that the neverland train station wasn’t built when he said he was abused there. That made me question all of it.
@@pommiebears you are aware that memory is super dodgy, right?
Jex G so is the guys that accused Micheal raped them then......
James Pond it’s not true, their parents told them to lie for money. Watch Square one
James Pond The first accuser was not acc molested. He was drugged by his dad when he said it. Just watch square one or lies of leaving Neverland. James and Wade were just broke and did it for p’s
25:50 This sent goosebumps down my spine. I’m so sorry you experienced this. I can just picture your face. Thank you for sharing, so strong! I hope everyone recovers!
What a brilliant podcast. Honestly you two working alone is pure class, you don't talk over each other. Big respect.
I remember being molested by my aunts husband when I was younger and I can fully understand Brian's difficulty to speak about the stuff that happened to him. It takes a lot of mental strength to get over this stuff.
Patrick Fernandes ❤️
thats true.
Nothing happened to that con-artist
But why are all these mj fans defending him it pisses me off
vermary are you stupid? You know how traumatic it is. Clearly you would let your children sleep with a grown man for 30 days
"Another kid accusing Michael Jackson is like a another dead white girl turning up at O.J. Simpson's house." - Chris Rock
Or you could say “Why work when you can sue Michael Jackson?”
- Tom Mesereau
@@ralb2857 You could say that for sure. I was a huge fan of Michael Jackson growing up but the testimony of Robson and Safechuck is too convincing for me to doubt the truth any longer. The world will always be divided between those that believe Michael was a paedophile and those that do not. No one really knows except the boys themselves and Michael, wherever he is, heaven or hell.
@@Arun-nv8zi i knew LEAVING neverland is a BS when Macaulay Culkin someone who snitched on his own father for abuse, still defends MJ ! When Robson claimed to have been left alone on his second night in Neverland while his family went to grand canyon, despite official court transcripts for his, his mother's and his sister's sworn declaration stating he went away with them
and many many many other lies............................
@@Arun-nv8zi do you believe time travel and teletransporation is real?
Because anyone believing the incredible testimonies of Safechuck (claiming he was "raped" by MJ in a train station that did not exist) and Robson (claiming to be in Grand Canyon and Neverland at the same time) is validating utter bullshit and falsely accusing a dead, exonerated innocent man.
You’re a brave man sharing that story Brian, it will have definitely helped so many suffering in silence out there. I’ll always love you big man, love to Laurence too x
Yes very brave to tell about the time someone asked if he wanted to see a part of the body.
Owen Jeffries I’m a survivor. I really appreciated him opening up.
I just wanted to let you guys know that you have an extremely rapidly growing Fanbase among women in the United States we love you and we love a good Brian and Lawrence podcast - we love the British
say what
I’d love for you to drink my Jesus juice
BRUH😂😂👇WTF DID THIS BITCH JUST SAY😩😩⁉️LMAO THIS SHIT HAD ME ROLLING👆💯👌NIGGA WHAT‼️😭😭😭👏
@@tripleaaa4409 wtf
Ben Johnson Well done 👏👏
Do a podcast reacting to the new Madeline McCann Netflix special
Ethan Shackers is it out?!
@@louisbines9563 Tomorrow March 15th
There’s no point. They have to say one word. Parents
@@alexmarkham6534 pretty much
Heard They’re Reforming The DaWnGuArD no wY
I had literally been (and still am) suffering from depression and anxiety for 4 1/2 years (I have hinted at my anxiety to my mum, but not straight up told her or my dad) the only person who knows is my best friend who I have known for 9 1/2 years. Please know that you don’t have to suffer alone, tell people raise awareness and I know that it’s hard for people to speak out about it
Not many people will see see this but if you do and are suffering please reply to this comment so that I don’t feel alone, if you’re not suffering please try to raise awareness and think yourself very lucky
People are not happy all the time
be strong ELLIE
LOVE
True Geordie is honestly a professional at podcasts, he maintains his posture, great knowledge and tone of voice, makes it really entertaining to watch. Love it
I applaud you guys for this great podcast. A video like this is risky to put on, but you guys hit the nail on the head. You managed to stay respectful about this, and discussed everything in a very mature and thougtful way. Huge respect towards you guys.
Jochem Raben agree completely!
Im innocent! I just loved little boys and got falsely accused my whole life of doing the same thing over and over again!
It's just one big misunderstanding. I swear!
MJ was innocent
@@Childmo_Lester Willfully blind that's a Jackson fan mandate for decades!
@@gifted2at94 regarding this leaving neverland, there are a dozen controversies and illogical claims. safechuck says he had "honeymoon" in 1988 with jackson at the euro disneyland, it wasnt even built then, and it was opened in 1992. wade's mother said she was dancing when jackson died cause "now he cant hurt anymore children". Wade and his mother also stated before, that wade didnt tell his mother about the abusive stuff ever up until 2013, which is 4 years after jackson died so how did wades mother had a dance? you should just read a bit more instead of just blatantly believing in a "docu" in which only 1 party says anything, and the whole thing is way more emotional than factual.
You guys are ingenious, the way the documentary and the whole MJ situation was evaluated by you two, seemingly, with no notes blows my mind 👏🏼
You have discussed this bravely and intelligently. Thanks, from one survivor to another XX.
Bec Moran don’t think they met MJ
I really wondered about his upbringing...... think may be he was rightly accused
This is just one big mixup. i'm innocent i swear!
He’s innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
@@Childmo_Lester mj innocent
25:13 Very interesting to hear your personal experience, you have a lot of courage sharing it publicly mate and I rate you for that highly, you're a good lad Brian 👍
It's a good level headed chat between two people. Most of these pod-casts are quite light hearted, however when the subject matter is like this they bring a fair and even view point.
I’ve literally just watched you uploads 3 videos over the 3 channels in a few minutes & my uploads take about 9 years for a 4 minute video
what was the 3rd channel? I know he did one on kick off what was other
Marcus Caprano-Wint TG2
scheduled release
He only released two videos, the TG2 video was two days ago
You’ve obviously never heard of scheduled uploads ...
I would love to see you reviewing prince andrew interview
That interview reviews itself. It was the TV highlight of the year for me.
lol yeah
As a youth worker, You always have to believe the child when they make an allegation. Obviously it gets investigated impartially/properly/professionally : But what upsets me most about this documentary is how many people do not listen or question the voices of young people. They are just as valid.
They are questioned because their statements have been contradicted so many times. I do not support sexual abuse obviously and I usually will try to side with the victim. However, for this case it does't make sense and it feels like a money grab. That's why I believe Michael is innocent. Well, atleast I feel Wade and James have never been touched.
watch SQUARE ONE it proves mj is innocent. Free on utube
Its not the kids its the parents that make me think the whole thing is bs
@@mrrobotvoice8321 The parents left massive holes in it. James Safechuck's mother said that in 2009 when she found out that Michael had died she "danced around the room", except there's one issue - James confirmed that he didn't disclose his "abuse" to anybody until 2013. Blatant lie
@@PonzWasTaken no u idiot he said he did tell his mother before but only hinted at what happened enough for her to understand. He admitted what happened in 2013. Mj defenders make me sick
You hit the nail on the head over and over again. As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse I truly thank you for this ep,
I'm so sorry to hear that. I mean I've never experienced it but it must be truly awful. Hope your ok. ❤
Michael Jackson was innocent, and I say that as a sexual assault survivor
@@donttalktome6878 thank you. not exactly ok (ptsd) but I have a fantastic support system when things do come up, so I’m very lucky in that way! ❤️
@@xxjoeyladxx no he wasn’t, and your status as a survivor is irrelevant when it comes to his pedophilia.
It must have been awful, thankfully you must be doing a lot better and stronger than ever.
I must say, however, that Leaving Neverland has been debunked and I honestly think MJ never abused anyone. My humble point of view.
2 podcasts in less than a week, love your content, keep up the good work Brian 👍
Can you do the Madeline McCann documentary
Like if u agree
everyone knows the parents did it
@@24SparrowJack you are vile. Why would they kill their 3 year old daughter
top 10s they wouldn’t do the lie detector test
@@jamesholm3633 oh because they stand up in a court of law don't they🤦♂️
Imagine if they admit it on their death bed
so much respect for TG speaking on that personal experience. not sure id have the strength to say what you did in this if i was ever in that position, god forbid.
Great podcast guys. Guest suggestion, professor green. He's got stories to tell and is such a down to earth guy. He definitely wouldn't hold back
Yeah would be a good one
Next time do more research.
I completely agree with you both, think you spoke about it very professionally and huge respect to Brian for talking aboutthe dreadful events which happened during his childhood.
“You know I’m bad,
I’m bad, you know it.”
Michael Jackson
He confessed
Smooth criminal
@@grandmastaal annie was not ok she was probably a fucking child
Except he wasn't
RhJonseyy Annie was actually not a real person it was a doll
I'm not gonna share my story, but this video made me feel not so alone💗
niamh x Alex Turner ❤️🎸
Paul Fisk yeahhh💕
I'm glad hun xx it gets better I swear
GMc yeah it does x
Same here bro xx
Well done Brian for coming out with your story, that came outta nowhere. Really glad nothing happened to you and i'm sure this will help people who have been through similar things speak about them to others, couldn't of been easy man.
Brian, once again you’ve hit the nail on the head. Hats off to you fella, very well said.
Such a good, and well thought out in depth intro, giving a background on the era at the time, and Michael himself! Props as always
When you speak of victims, I just want to thank you so very much for your respect and for giving us a voice! The PTSD is real and it takes a very very long time to be brave enough to speak up or do anything against anyone because of what you've been told and conditioned to do. Just because you put on a mask doesn't mean the face underneath isn't crying, frightened, and bruised. I appreciate you speaking out, I know how hard it was for you Brian and I have so much respect for you. Thank you all for this look and voice...God bless
I am happy you shared this. Thanks for encouraging bravery and acceptance.
I am a survivor of sexual abuse and I'm not a Jackson fan. I believe he is innocent.
I have to say it lads yous have done a brilliant thing here!! Honestly well done!! To be so honest aswell on a massive channel like this I hope people who have been through shit can watch this and talk to people. Well done lads!!
You don’t think a grown man in his 30s is even remotely aware that touching children sexually is wrong? Yes, he was a very complex man, especially considering his level of fame, but he wasn’t living on a deserted island with no access to the world and how it functions. I believe he was calculated and played the innocent role exceptionally well. What the 2 men have described in Leaving Neverland is grooming 101. And you’re right, lightning strikes once; it doesn’t strike 5 times.
Thank you for one of the best discussions on the doco I’ve seen/heard. Really made me think!
Like most paedophiles he isn't stupid, these people are incredibly intelligent with how they go around their abuse
They have been proven liars lol, do some research, please.
ArchAngelG.... Watch Rageacholic’s video... he has factual evidence showcased in the video. Then come back and say those two guys were molested by MJ.
I really do think geordie is a very reflective and insightful person. He is candid and honest and obviously a very intelligent man. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Just because he tries to sound intelligent and like he knows what he's talking about doesn't mean he is. The extent of his knowledge on this is what he heard in the documentary, nothing more....its painfully clear when he's talking about it
I didn't think that in this videos
The point they make about Macauley Culkin is so true and one I've thought of a lot.
I 100% believe the accusers in the documentary regardless. But one thing the non-believers say which irritates me is 'he didn't abuse Macauley Culkin' and what's your point? Jack the Ripper didn't kill every women he spent time with, he chose victims. I know the comparison of Jack the Ripper and MJ may be strong but it's that sort of thing. Imagine how insulting and hurtful it would be to be an abuse victim and just have someone say to you ‘well he didn’t abuse me so you must be lying’.
MJ was smart and I do genuinely think he befriended Culkin and intentionally didn't pursue any sexual abuse with him so he could have the cover of 'well ask Macauley Culkin.'
Guys MJ was a phenomenal performer and musician. But don't let that blind you from his darkness.
Nail. Head. Bang on.
The accusations of Jordan, Gavin, Wade and James are laughably bad but I 100% agree that its nonsensical to take Michael not molesting Macaulay Culkin (or Macaulay claiming that he didn't) and using it to conclude that he didn't molest anyone.
I think he did abuse M Culkin too
BezoomnyBratchny imagine how offensive that would be to a genuine abuse victim. Someone saying ‘well he didn’t abuse me so you must be lying’. It’s preposterous
@@DDavy2014
Exactly.
Never clicked on a video so quick, been waiting for this since you announced it on True News, thanks boys
I think, what you said about men feeling emasculated and embarrassed, is one of the main reasons why men don't come forward with what happened to them.
It's in our psyche, to be the top dog and when someone emasculates us, not just molestation or abuse, simply losing a fight, will hurt our ego really badly and we will begin to have doubts about ourselfs and little voices in the back of the head telling us all kinds of stupid shit.
Guys absolutely love the podcast, agree with the majority of the stuff you said. Think you should do more of just you two, keep it up boys!
SaintJames Fc a 45 min vid and your saying you agree with what they said you okay bro ?
Carl Rees Didn't expect to see you here mate.
SaintJames Fc seriously..
Do this on the Epstein Netflix documentary
Appreciating Lawrence making an attempt at the moustache game.
Thank you for sharing your story... as a victim myself I understand how hard it is to tell your story out loud. I’m hoping to find the strength to speak out one day☹️really good podcast 😊
Geordie thank you so much for sharing that story about your babysitter man, that genuinely touched me, especially considering how hard it is to talk about these things. respect
This is a hard one, because I watched an interview with Corey Feldman who we all know has suffered major abuse from a very young age, and he was literally coming out and calling out all the abusers but at the time he wasn’t mentioning names. But when the interviewer brought up Michael Jackson, Corey went on to say that he himself stayed at neverland many times and that Michael was never inappropriate with him, he said Michael was really nice to him and treated him very kindly. He also said that he never witnessed Michael being inappropriate with any of the other children that were staying there. So it’s a hard one because on one hand you have a man who looks extremely guilty, but on the other hand you have a man who is a victim of abuse saying that Michael Jackson treated him and everyone around him with nothing but kindness. When the whole Michael Jackson allegations were rolling in, it was the media who gave us the information and as we’ve learned in recent years that the media do lie a lot and they are very powerful when it comes to pushing a narrative out to the public. If Michael Jackson was guilty of these things then that would make him one of the worlds worst but there is just this niggle of doubt 😑
Go watch the Square One documentary. It should make up your mind
@@rayyanqureshi3613 wow 😲 just watched the square one documentary, and I’m shocked, I’ve never heard his situation from a legal standpoint I’ve only ever heard what the lying mainstream media has put out there, but after watching that vid I can safely say that I 100% believe Michael was an innocent man. I’m disappointed in myself for ever having doubted his innocence and I’m angry at the media who pushed the false narrative and lied to the world about who he really was. So sad 😞
@@victorialee7270 it’s ok I was the same after I did my research these lying ass frauds Wade and safechuck are doing this for money.
MJs sister said he was not cute enough and all so MJ found him annoying!!! Back in the day she said he was sexually abusing kids
@@intriguingmind9435 is that latoyah youre talking about?
I swear true geordie is the most genuine guy on youtube and he and Lawrence should be the moral compass of youtube
geordie would even tell you that thats no good. thats a big responsibility that isnt for two or three people. thats a group (human beings) moral duty
Thanks for sharing, appreciate bringing to discussion such a heavy topic. Abuse to children is a disease in our society.
It is, and Michael Jackson is 100% innocent, and I’m not even a Jackson fan.
Nothing sickened Jackson more than abuse of children.
yeh cool but mj didnt abuse kids
@@narwhals7820 Those boys were molested.
I found the documentary very hard to watch as I was abused as a child and I understand what those men went through in a sense,it took me 22 years to open up about it so to all the people who discredit them until your in that situation don't judge on how long it took them to tell the truth it was one of the hardest conversations to have
I’m someone who was also abused as a child.
Opening up about these types of things bring up all kinds of emotions and unwanted memories, and it can be very challenging. People discrediting them for only coming about it now after MJ’s death baffles me. Some people go their entire lives and never speak out about it
I was sexually assaulted at 17 and I still can't come to terms with it so I can't imagine being younger and having to go through that trauma. I wish you both all the best xx
Well the Doc is fake fun fact
Dr Bannter tell em
Thank you so much for your conversation about LEAVING NEVERLAND. I was especially moved by your statement that Michael Jackson was in a once in a generational situation, having god status celebrity worship as a an innocent and at the same time being shrewd enough to cover up anything that would deter that image.
MJ was a brilliant musician and businessman, who made all the right moves and became wealthy beyond compare.....Yet today in 2023 I see his "Defenders" screaming at me: MJ was a Child! MJ was Naive! .........good Lord.
The podcasts with just you two are brilliant. Perfect chemistry between you both. We love the guests but if there was a few extra ones of just you two having a chat it would be amazing!
He didn’t struggle with his identity he knew who he was and was proud of his race he had vitiligo and it was proven in his autopsy and as far as his surgeries he didn’t want to look like his father because what he went through in childhood
So he did struggle with his identity.
Facts
That’s what struggling with you identity means... it’s not just race
He didnt want to look like his father means he did struggle with his identity
Proud of his race? LOL. Look at any early photo; he had so much surgery not to look black that his face started falling apart.
This is a very important conversation to have....totally love you both....Brians bravery to spk out and his pure raw honesty!!! Love and empathy is awesome❤
Can we also agree that Elvis Presley needs to be looked at as well. Let’s remember that Priscilla was a very young teenager when she moved in with him.
Yeah
tooswt4bs - And David Bowie
Most people don't realize that if your parents willing give you up to a man and doesn't ever tell, the men get away with this abuse, but if the parents tell then the police are called, with elvis no parents ever said he molested their kids, they also willing gave up the kids to the King. Wow sick and sad all in one.
@@BrigidC123 what happened?
In these years of time, if a wealthy men could make a good providing life for your daughter,well....Specialy if he was that famous. Jerry Lewis was a similar case as well.
I enjoyed the H3 Podcast discussion of the documentary, but I've got to say this was on another level. Great discussion lads.
The only area which I think was overlooked was how public awareness of pedophilia has changed in recent years. As a thirty something man I can remember that the public discourse surrounding pedophilia in the 1980s and 1990s was pretty much limited to telling kids, "Don't talk to strangers." It's only post Garry Glitter and Jimmy Saville that discussion of pedophiles who are in the public eye has become much more prevalent as has their prosecution in criminal courts. Pre Saville there was almost a denial that these things could take place, and I think the parents, dazzled as they were by Jackson, reflected this attitude of denial which was commonplace until only 15-20 years ago.
his1ojd Enjoyed H3’s discussion... you utter cock. There’s evidence out there that MJ didn’t do a thing.
his1ojd SO TRUE THANK YOU ,
Agreed
Would be good to hear your views on the upcoming madeleine McCann doc and the conspiracy around it
As always, in love with your podcasts, you mention the R Kelly Doc that you ripped to pieces. Does anyone have a link for this podcast? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks
'Micheal Jackson was on a planet of his own'
Aha, another conspiracy
Brilliant! You both are so very clever and a great team. Great podcast really enjoyed it spot on
I don't know who you guys are but i watched the whole podcast, really good. subbed.
Wacko Jacko pretended to be you, but you're a better man than him, Wacko was Satan.
Appreciate the realism here guys. Very good podcast to listen to. I haven't seen the doc yet but I will now especially because of this so I can understand what went on and how to prevent this in the future.
Great discussion between you two, evaluating the context of the times really adds more understanding to how this happened . Well done.
Thank you guys for this truly remarkable the way you both talk deep about these cases in depth
Please do more discussions on Documentaries or on tv shows etc; it’s my favourite of your stuff
My ABSOLUTE favorite recap and ending opinions on the overall situation and who he was and how different a perception can be compared to reality of who a person is as soon as you shut the lights off and their smile drops and their demons flush out. You did it in a very classy way, yet still said everything ive been screaming at the screen with the nay sayers for days now.
Thank you. So much. Love your podcast
And none of it proves that MJ actually was THAT different behind closed doors. Speculation is no proof. Neither is accusation. No sane person takes ANY accusation at face value.
Guys, you absolutely spanked it. This is an unbelievably complex issue and somehow you shed some light on it. Thank you. Incredible.
Absolutely spot on with this 👌🏻 felt the same as both of you while watching it. ‘Wilfully blind’ - never heard of that until now and thats exactly what is happening with ALOT of people. Perfectly sums the whole thing up.
Of course. Everything the documentary said was facts and whoever doesn't believe it is just a fan who can't accept the 'evidence'
@@MM-gb3sv train station 3 years out of date js.
That you can reed?
brian talking about his experience was so brave. His emotion whilst defending the victims was so powerful.
This has been your best podcast to date. Good job lads! And I agree with everything you said.
One thing I will point out is that at 37:50 you ask "how much evidence do we fucking need like?" We dont have hardly have any evidence at all, just stories. Not saying its false but not saying it's true tho either.
Honestly, I love you two guys. Keep up the good work and keep uploading! Looking forward to the kick off this weekend!
Really good podcast lads, really great discussion- Think Lawrence smashed it in particular - credit to Geordie telling his story too - top work, and another great example of why I love your channel👌
I wish someone would interview Martin Bashir? I think he had a lot of insight and probably more footage to share.
Billy's Angel He admitted to never having seen any criminal behavior on Jackson's part during the filming.
Wut?? ಠ_ಠ still would be an interesting interview.
Billy's Angel Certainly
@@wut-dah_7212 He also admitted to manipulating the footage and ultimately believing Michael Jackson was innocent oh and his documentary was debunked in the lost neverland tapes.
I'd love to see an interview with Martin Bashir now, post Leaving Neverland. I owe him an apology. At the time I thought he'd betrayed MJ for no reason other than to have a more sensational documentary. I was wrong. He saw what few of us saw, and pursued it, just as any responsible journalist or person would.
On another note, great video guys, its good to see some intelligent talk on the matter , its about time this subject was spoken about more often with more understanding of how these things happen, more awareness would help prevent more kids getting hurt and people getting help .
I love these podcasts they always make me smile and brighten my day :) ty Brian and Lawrence
about michael jackson touching kids? abit weird mate but agree with the podcast.
So listening to somebody talking about someone messing with kids makes you smile and brightens your day?
ItsNeko20 your welcome
Michael Kiddie Toucher Jackson 😂😂😂😂
This is such an amazing discussion. People need to talk about this type of abuse more often and get it out of the shadows.
People can get falsely accused. Especially when you’re a celebrity.
There was no abuse here - Michael Jackson is 100% innocent and I’m not even a fan of his.
There was no abuse here - Michael Jackson is 100% innocent and I’m not even a fan of his.
33:01 This is honestly such a great point. I've heard so many people defend Michael by using Macaulay Culkin's defense. Just because he didn't molest one boy, doesn't invalidate the accounts of others.
Macauly Culkin is an actor too lol
Watch aba and preaches video they basically show this documentary was an entire lie
Macauly was high during the MJ trial, dunno if i would even believe him
@@vexs7268 but even to this day he still defends Michael so there is truth even if he was on drugs
Michael j
You need to do a follow up NOW!!! There’s 60 lies been found since the doc. If you do get me on to talk about it x
They won't do that, sadly. The good news doesn't sell. I think Lawrence is actually an MJ supporter before this documentary
@@Azza.10 I love you and you are absolutely right! Xx
@@Azza.10 L.O.V.E
Defending that sicko is reprehensible. Moron.
@@melvynobrien6193 I’ve you have the time and interest to listen to the news you should invest in looking at the court documents free online
Do a podcast after the release of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann documentary on Netflix!!!
Kerri Hunter
Yes!
Your wish has been granted 👍🏼
You 2 literally got it spot on with the doc, it's impossible to fake that emotion
I’m not even a Jackson fan and I know everything Robson and Safechuck said is fake, it’s obvious from their body language.
Jackson was a kind, pure soul who would never dream of harming a child.
@@xxjoeyladxx He hung his own baby over a balcony. lol
The only thing that got me about the Doc, was the lack of emotion in there stories, when you see people normally talk about sexual abuse they break down in tears and struggle to keep it together but those 2 were very very 'normal' about it all
Sean Can’t things be so scarring that you feel emotionless towards it? However at the same time surely there would be some emotion
Robson got emotional talking about his Dad, that was REAL emotion. The rest looked very staged.
It's been said when an adult acts like your child's pier (like a child) it should be questioned.
I adore you guys! Loved this podcast and Brian you should be so proud of speaking out cause I know a guy like you speaking so openly will do wonders for combating the toxic masculinity that we suffer from in society. And Lawrence as always you are the shaman that guides these podcasts to deeper levels. Love you guys and I hope you continue to make the content we crave
He’s innocent. I’m not even a fan of Michael Jackson, but as as sexual assault survivor myself, I know he is 100% innocent.
There is no way that Robson and Safechuck are telling the truth - their body language is all wrong, whereas Jackson’s language has all the signs of telling the truth when questioned about allegations
I agree with this yet am completly baffled at how I can also disagree so strongly. I am not sure what on earth this video has to do with 'toxic masculinity' which is a term I dont believe to be an actual thing other than a tool to use against Men who are (just as a woman could be) ignorant, arrogant, or whom use dominance in place of more feminine characteristics like compassion and kindness and gentle kitten petting fluffy mcfuck off kinda of oppression and abuse that does happen, but not relevant to this whatsoever that I can try to see.
I can see however, this term only ever been uddered from the mouths of victims that think masculinity has anything to do with any of their pain because a man has oppressed or abused them and need to actively blame and shun 'the other side/opposite' for overbearing male charateristics that must be kiboshed if we are ever able to even breathe and be free enough to run around like little girls without having to worry about being raped by tricky fellas and approved by cognitive hollywood dissonance? What would Gislene Maxwell or Mirina Abramovic have to say about Toxic Masculinity? To me, and respectfully, this is the last place we need to bring MORE bullshit into. Is that toxic (talk-sick?) femininity to always be whining about the toxic masculinity "we all suffer from?" and giving praise for not being that which has harmed us all. or is it just the equal to radical feminism and I'm being goated by the difference of terms used to describe the same effect?
@@xxjoeyladxx can one say things like : Because you're a survivor, you KNOW??. =Claiming '100%' and "no way" as absolutes that your experiences tell you to be certain of?
Well, maybe that needs to be checked, because being a "survivor" myself, (although I have never looked at it like I was a 'sexual assault survivor') I can speculate at what I feel is closest to MY truth, but that does not give me clearance to say I know anything with 100% certainty or that my victimization (or choice) entitles me to diagnose other victims and their predators with accuracy I can influence others with. When in fact, that may even disregard or undermine the actual pain and truth of others.
If I were to grant myself the same sureities based on my own experieces which are almost identical to this situation from what I can tell - I can completely disagree with your conclusion, yet does that make us wrong, or one of us wrong? No, it just muddy's the waters when we think we have the ability to know truth outside of our own experience of it.
You use their language and body language as assessment tools, which actually makes more of a case against your claims because it at the very least shows reasonable doubt and patterns that illustrate that all parties are being deceptive in one manor or another, regardless of 100% innocent or 100% guilty - its impossible to divide this into that. And we forget ITS HOLLYWOOD they are ALL perfomers, liars, beggars, abusers, manipulators, extortionists, + 100 other good & bad things, and its a SHOW regardless, so do you really KNOW these people? No, its all heresay for 99% of people who have never been whisked away by a pop god and limelit for the world to see, yet being required to "never tell"... so its not a side picking rally to save Michaels' image once and for all, or to stand for victims everywhere is it?
if so- this all serves for nothing.
Nobody is all good or bad and thats what this film depicts most accuratelty, but I feel it's just irresponsible to make claims like this, your truth doesnt harm anyone, but offering your opinion as fact to build a judgement could potentially harm many. Thanks for sharing your truth and your feeling but you dont KNOW anymore than anyone else who wasnt there.
Can't deny he was an incredible and talented guy but this is just dark. So many thoughts on this.
Don't speculate. Research.
@@richardkovacs2006 of course. That's what everyone should do. Not speculating anything. He's still a talent.
BecksCald... Watch (Rageacholic) he did the research and has evidence and showcases it. Those guys are lying.
The 1st one came out 2 years ago. About the 1st accuser and 2nd.
The 2nd one came out 1 month it’s about LN
The 3rd one is Debunked Leaving Neverland
@@hotchocolate8320 I've seen the evidence accusing them of slander and all that.
This is a piece of shit documentary. A slap to the face to MJ, and real victims of molestation, and other things similar...
I have to watch it now.. I've just found your chanel.. also LOVE Brians' accent 😍
Karina Fischer he’s a Geordie like me
I’m a 74 year old nana I was in the thick of the whole Mersey bands never ever was there a world as bad as this thank you both for thinking the same as people like me there’s NO smoke without fire .i cannot believe there’s such badness god help us all an thank you for trying to expose sick freaks that expect us all to bow to them good luck x
You do know that leaving Neverland is fake right?