Looking at buying a subaru forester at around 6000 miles and its all very confusing and a bit scary.. Subaru says only to inspect fluid every 6000 miles but the way the transmission is built I cant imagine it wont produce a lot of metal dust within.. I have to ask, do you have anu numbers to support your claim and wasnt the Subaru warranty ONLY for the 2014-2018 cars?
@@garremannen change oils as often as possible. For the CVT Subaru sais 8 years and 120.000km for a Forester. WTHail?! Just change it with quality oil( not what you get on tv)
Not true, you are a rare case then ! Its not the fluids, its the contact surfaces! my experience it 75,000 miles or less. And excessive friction damage. Ive seen the CV drives, they are dust and toasted to nothing. EVERY single one EVER built! Its part of the design. Look at the schematics! They are super weak and friction prone. Overheat ONE time, YOU ARE BONED!
@frosthoe utter nonsense. I am on my 3rd forester with a cvt and all have done 200000 + km, all have been fine, It is either your driving or poor maintenance. That simple.
@@Marco-qe5zw If only that were true! then we coulc point a finger. bur you are 100% wrong. Cvts use a consumable friction member (the belt). how mant Cvts have you had apart. im at 7 CVts repaired now, How bout you? 🤣
I am a master mechanic. Subaru CVT’s have complete failures often times before 100,000 miles. If you tow anything or use the car aggressively they will fail at about 50,000 miles. Nissan buys their CVT’s from Jatco transmission company. This company also supplies CVT’s to Stellantis for their Jeep products. These are among the worst transmissions ever made.. A manual transmissions clutch can easily last 200,000 miles if you drive the car correctly. A CVT is much cheaper to manufacture than a standard clutch type automatic transmission. That is why Subaru uses them. Most manufactures are discontinuing the use of CVT, because of consumer complaints and their relatively short service life.
I can absolutely back up your claim. I had a 2020 Subaru Onyx XT. I loved the performance and the towing capacity. The problems for me began around 40,000 miles. I started noticing the transmission stuttering at different speeds. Took it to the dealer not once, but twice. They could find no issue, The second time I took it in was after a recall was issued concerning programming for guess what, the transmission. Recall was sent out in January and stated that a fix wouldn't be available until April. Recall specifically stated that the transmission could completely fail. Well mine did. Right after I exited Interstate 95. Thank god it happened after I exited the Interstate. I would have been a sitting duck on 95. Anyway, Subaru replaced the transmission although the recall fix still had not been implemented. I traded it in on a 2022 Outback premium after some research that indicated that most of the problems were with the XT (turbo) models. I haven't had any issues with the 2022 which currently has 71,000 miles. I still don't have 100% confidence in Subaru transmissions now though. I'll probably go back to Honda or maybe Toyota for my next vehicle.
We recently bought a 2023 Chevrolet Trailblazer with a 1.2 engine, & a CVT trans. & I didn't even give it a 2nd thought about buying the vehicle. & so far I've been impressed with the performance of the trans. Thanks for the video.
The trouble you will get there is the engine. The tiny engine is pushed to its limit with the added turbo pressures. Keep your oil checked. I have four GM vehicles with the CVT and 1.6 waiting for parts. One needs a new engine due to oil starvation.
300,000 k's on my 2010 Outback and I just replaced my TC lockup solenoid myself. A very easy fix for anyone mechanically minded and only cost me AUD240 for parts and fluid. I didn't replace the valve body so there was no need for the "relearning" process that requires specialist equipment. The CVT is now perfoming flawlessly.
I’ve always changed my transmission fluid every 30k miles. When I brought my (first) Subaru in a week ago for a free oil change I asked about changing the fluid. I was told it was good “for the life of the car”. If I change it I understand it voids the warranty. I watched a video on changing the fluid and while having a lift (due to the angle of having to refill the fluid) would make things easier, it doesn’t seem complicated. Why does Subaru stick to the “lifetime” concept, wouldn’t it be better to have it changed? Owners manual does specify heavy duty use to change it, so since I do sit in a lot of stop and go traffic I’d consider that “extreme”. At 35k I’ll be out of warranty anyway so if I want to have it changed probably won’t hurt me financially either way. Honestly don’t know… 🤷♂️ Love my car by the way, really happy with it!
As the person in the video stated, Subaru warranties its CVT for 10 years or 100,00 miles. If you service the CVT before then, that will void the remaining warranty.
as per user manual- 8 years and 120.000km. No- not doing that! 45.000km. But 99% of users have no ideea that the oil that they use is low quality. Engine oil, CVT oil, diff oil- all of them are low low quality. Thats why your engine blows, VCT goes into limp mode, etc..because you are using a low quality oil. Even if its OEM. PS- quality oil is not on TV, nor in a marketing campain. You need to find it.
@@cohenrobins3202 I’m guessing you’ve never been on 287 in NJ around 5:00, huh? 🤣 It takes me many evenings 2 hours (on a good night) sometimes 3 if there’s an accident to travel just 50 miles. Listen, I’ll swap your “extreme” off-roading on fire roads and trails, a little mud too anyday, hell, EVERY DAY over the stop & go crap I deal with most nights. It took me two (yes two) damn hours just to get over the Driscoll Bridge the Tuesday after Labor Day… 3 hours that morning in all just to get into work… should I have taken Rt 18 that morning? Hell yeah, and that mistake is on me! 😂 That was water under the bridge (literally) at that point though… the point is, sitting and idling, like I do, isn’t great for a transmission or even the engine. Normal lights and around town traffic is expected and yeah, nothing to worry about, so I agree with you on that. I’ve always changed the transmission fluid in my cars/trucks every 30k and have never had an issue. Preventive maintenance goes a long way…
Great info!! 💫Subarus are awesome rigs, I have had (2). Currently paying off my17 model crosstrek w/ less than 53k miles. Glad Subaru has provided us with that extra warranty piece of mind too.
Just ordered a 2023 Forester Sport which will be my first ever CVT. I can't say I'm excited for it, but I have no concerns abut reliability and I am looking forward to the fuel economy which should be a 2-3 MPG improvement over my Impreza Sport 5 speed. I've done a good amount of research and Subaru CVTs seem to be some of the best in the industry, so I'm not worried.
@@cristianstriblea792 I decided I wanted the 2.4 turbo engine so I cancelled my Forester order and purchased a 2023 Outback Touring XT last week. It was $5000 more than the Forester (ouch!) but I have no regrets. I absolutely love the Outback and I can't believe how comfortable and well equipped it is, feels like a full-on luxury vehicle. It's well worth the upgrade in my opinion. I'm sure the Forester would have been fine, but I prefer to have ample power in my vehicles when I can and I plan on this being my last vehicle purchase for a long time.
I already replaced fluid twice at 50k and 90k for 2015 3.6R. Every time fluid showed a sign that it needs to be replaced. Besides that, I agree, it's a good transmission.
My 2018 v6 Nissan cvt made it to 60k almost had 36k hard miles and still works perfectly seen redline 5000 times or so just don't give it full throttle until ur at 15mph and ur not abusing it and don't press the gas pedal a bunch of times keep 10% throttle for long period of time while driving not constantly throttling it letting off throttle and pressing gas again. Cvt likes to be under acceleration or off acceleration for 3 seconds until u press gas again
Whew! Just brought my new cvt wrx home yesterday and thought "oh shiester!" I love the cvt and I'm a life long shifter. The shift points are brilliant especially in sport mode. It holds the gear during spirited driving rather than shifting down, which was my biggest gripe with old-school trannies. Love the wrx!
Problem with CVTs is that no consumer ever asked for them. The industry just forced them onto us because their manufacturing is less costly. They kept repeating that they are the best since they keep the engine in its optimal power band but consumers don't care about that...because the driving experience is destroyed in the process. Case in point, consumers requested the feel of changing gears to restore the experience. The automakers responded by degrading the efficiency of the CVT by adding this "manual" mode. What they should have done is to completely ditch it and go back to manual transmission. Yet, since the CVT reduces the manufacturer's costs, they opted for this contraption.
Driving a cvt is great. I do have to ask about that $1,200 number. I suspect a transmission shop is going to be double that or more. Maybe that number is old.
I love the CVT for driving, but Subaru has had problems with the CVT. Especially for those who go off road occasionally. I’ve owned a number of Subarus but will not buy another one until I’m sure the CVT in them is completely reliable. I had two friends have their Subaru CVT go completely out. I do believe the.last few years they have been improved and are much more reliable. However I’m waiting too see.
Thanks for sharing, I pre-ordered a 2022 Forester Limited, your review will alleviate some apprehension regarding the Subaru CVT. I know Honda and Toyota uses the e-CVT that are very reliable as well. My wife drives a 2017 Honda Civic w/e-CVT trans.
The eCVT doesn't use belts or chains and is completely different in every way to traditional CVTs. The eCVT is nothing more that a planetary gear set, which makes it dead reliable.
Short answer to this question? Look after it and it will look after you. Our 2011 CVT went 11 years 255,000 km no problems. Regular CVT fluid changes to keep it fresh. There is no such thing as a lifetime fluid.
I'm looking at a 2024 Subaru Outback Wilderness and am concerned, as many are, about the reliability of the CVT. I've never owned a Subi and would like to know how reliable they are. I drive a lot in variable conditions, in town and across the country. I appreciate Japanese ingenuity and design and am very Impressed with the longevity and reliability with my 2009 Toyota Sienna. 245k and it runs tip top, I do the maintenance. I'm hoping that since Toyota and Subaru have merged some technologies the Outback will provide many years of reliability.
The Outback Wilderness is the best car I've ever driven over the 30 years I've been driving. Subaru's CVTs are made inhouse, not by JATCO which is the company that has caused Nissan so much grief. There's some 'master mechanic' talking shit about CVTs as if they are all made by JATCO. Subaru also installs a CVT cooler on new cars since heat, like with everything else, is what kills the CVT. The Subaru CVT will fail like any transmission if you launch it repeatedly, or will become less reliable if you tune it beyond 320 whp and TRQ. The only manual cars Subaru makes are WRXs and BRZ, there are so many Crosstreks and Outbacks on the road, this video would be a never ending stream of people talking about failures if they happened often enough to be a known issue. Subaru did have failures around 2015 model year which is why they took control of the issue and started doing stuff like adding coolers, better fluid, and stronger chain. Oh, all Subarus are CVT in Japan, including the 2014 STI S4 WRX which had 295/295 HP and TRQ. Once again, the Internet would be full of people bitching internationally, instead of a few folk on reddit who over tuned their cars and raced every chance they could.
I had a 2016 Outback in the UK. The CVT was great if you know how to drive one as they are designed. No flooring it, you make good progress with very little effort.
Subaru tech here, can confirm valve bodys in tr580 transmisisons do fail quiet frenquently over 150k kms on them. Majority of these do get replaced under warranty or under subaru goodwill. Other than that they are pretty reliable if maintained properly, key word maintained, subaru does state that these transmission cvt fluids are "lifetime fluids" but what does this mean? It means they're expected lifespan most people own the cars which is 100-150k kms. Which is why its not on the subaru scheduled servicing plan. Why is this a problem? Because all oil degrades with heat cycles, use and time. Eventually the oil gets old, gritty with material in it and burnt from so many heat cycles, i would say this is probably the main contributor to subarus cvt issues. Outside of the abnormal issues like pre mature bearing failures internal in the cvt etc.
After doing a lot of research on belt/chain design CVT's, I decided that in the absence of a good manual option that I will stick with Mazda & their modernized-design "SkyActiv" 6-speed automatic. Well, that or an "eCVT" transmission hybrid vehicle, since that is a totally different design & much better than any crappy, budget-built belt/chain CVT used in regular ICE vehicles.
I'm personally bored of regular transmissions that have same rpm at same speed. Cvt always has different revs at different speeds and with throttle u can manipulate the rpms u want mid corner to get some grip and rpms u need
Just returned from the dealer due to recently occurring shudder and lack of acceleration with increasing rpms with check engine light. The dealer says our 2016 Forester with only 118,000 kms needs a replacement CVT. Thankfully the warranty will cover it. I remember being worried about that CVT when we bought it, and almost bought a Rav4 instead because of its 6-speed conventional automatic transmission. The warranty on the replacement transmission will only be a year, so that's not great, but if the replacement can last seven years, we'll be good.
I have a 2016 forester as well. The valve body went out at 98k then the entire transmission went out at 108k. The remanufactured transmission lasted all of 6k. I'm done with it.
204k miles on my 2014 Outback.. never changed the CVT fluid and she still runs perfectly smooth.. towed boats, trailers, mountain driving, etc. People need to start trusting the engineers that build these things rather than youtubers.
Hi, I have 3 mentions: 1. I drive CVT now; i often use manual mode, and I have a much better fuel consumption. I test drive (back to back) a XV Crosstrek and I loved more the CVT over a manual 5 speed (mostly because of high revs @ 120 km/h. 2. I never had any problems with the clutch, and I drive manuals since 1992. I brought some cars @ more than 500 000 km. 3. Usually, it is better to have a manual if you tow a trailer, the driver have the control.
Good point on towing. Anything with a torque converter gets incredibly hot when towing. This is why trucks have an optional "towing package" to add additional cooling to the torque converter.
We’re on our 4th Subaru with Cvt’s. No problems with any of them. I have dealer change the fluid every 50k miles. The Nissan Jatco Cvt’s were supposed to be the really bad ones.
JATCO hasn’t had a widespread failure since 2013 for the judder/shudder campaign. Since then, JATCO has been excellent. It’s also important to note that the whole Nissan cvt thing is one of the biggest false news stories to perpetuate since the GM diesel debacle in the 80s. Since the JATCO cvt issues in 2013, Honda had issues in 2013-2014, Subaru had issues from 2014-2017, and Toyota had issues in 2018. All cvt’s are reliable now.
I know people that have had problems with cvts from a bunch of brands, Ford Nissan Subaru Honda Toyota. They are cheaper to manufacture and provide little benefits over a well designed conventional transmission. I think that is the only reason they go with them, a lot of transmission shops wont rebuild them or even touch them.
Warranty of Subaru CVT is only 5 years and 60,000 miles in 2023. Only older CVTs got the extension. My parents lost the throttle body on both Subarus (2014 and 2015) at 80,000 miles in Florida heat. They lost the transmission completely at about 135,000 miles. That is not as good as my 2013 Subaru with a 5 speed with is still on the original transmission with 136,000 miles. I am not sure I will buy another Subaru as a result.
Late to the party but went through two cvts before getting rid of my Subaru ascent. 28k, 58k. Known issue with ascent. Glad I got rid of it.. Paint was thin too but electronics and interior were nice.
Ive heard quite a bit about that as well. It does seem to be with the newer ones, my 2012 has its original windshield still. Got hit with a quarter size rock at 65 mph and it bounced off. GL
The real issue is people are not educated on CVT’s & just believe all the miss information. I have a Subaru wrx CVT which I track & it performs brilliantly every time 👍💯
I have never changed the CVT fluid in our Subaru and It is at over 200k miles. I’ve always been able to tell when it’s cold that it slips more. So I drive it like a grandpa for about 5 miles it pulls just like it should. The CVT does an excellent job getting the most out of a 2.5 liter power plant hauling the heavy and bloated 17 outback! It’s big compared to older models but the car is super capable and the CVT performs excellent. The feeling of the “shifts” reminds me of an old C6 or Turbo 400 but with more “gears”
I have a 2021 Crosstrek Ltd. I went off road - nothing technical and used the Xmode once. All the lights lit up on the dash including the AT temp light. All of the lights cleared after shutting it off for several hours. Seemed to drive well the last few days but this did happen 2x while climbing a hill (not very steep). I took it to the dealer and they said I need a new CVT - which shocked me. This video is interesting. I already called Subaru of America and I am waiting to see what they say. If they won't cover, I will mention the solenoid issue.
166,000 km on my Subaru Forester XT CVT. The car is currently in the garage in limp mode throwing A/T Temp codes. Has been for more than two weeks because of Subaru's parts availability issues. They are telling me I need a new CVT. The extended warranty has expired. I am very disappointed and thinking of switching to Honda.
Ps I called Subaru America, they were rude , defensive about my issue and treated me like insurance companies do when you file an accident claim after paying your premium 5 yrs on time ridiculous what they get away with burning consumers and not as advertised product,
10 years / 100K warranty is nothing. If a modern trans can't go well over 200K without issues, then it is behind the curve in the reliability department. They have to provide much longer life expectancy for the price that they charge for today's cars.
Perfectly fine transmission if you just drive it like you’re supposed to not flooring it off the line or up a hill. Just smoothly roll into everything you do and it’ll be good for a long time
I had a Mini Cooper with a CVT and hated the drivability of it. Plus, after about 120k miles, bearings in the transmission started singing to us. About a $5k job to replace it. The experience made me swear off all CVTs.
As the driver of mechanically flawless 277,000 and 177,000 mile cars, a 100,000 warranty on a belt-pulley friction-drive transmission design isn't that reassuring.
The best advantage CVT can give is the cost cutting in the production of the manufacturer, the headache will will be to the consumer, good if the car dealerships will give special offer to the CVT car buyers giving their customers a free supply of PARACETAMOL to mend the consumer's headache.
Update. My grandma like driving style co-workers CVT DIED again! . The one that was replaced last year...that was replaced...Its like an oil change. Go in get fluids, filter changed, Bi annually. And a new CVT Transmission every year on purchase day anniversary.. 3-CVT's in 3 years. Yeah Im gonna skip on that snowmobile tech till its no contact Mag clutch, and mag drive gears. The beuty of a Magnetic clutch is it never overheats from friction, Inductance maybe, not friction.
If this video was made as of 7 months ago how can you know that Subaru cvt's are now reliable since there hasn't been enought time to test that out. A 1999 Subaru Forester will virtually never have problems with it's 5speed transmission as of 20+ years being in existance. When cvt's can get to that age without issues then I'll believe they're reliable. Being in service for one year with no issues doesn't prove reliablity.
What is your take on the transmission fluid drain/fill? I know Honda once said like every 30,000 miles they recommend it. Some people say that it is a lifetime, which again is not true. Nothing is for life.
On my '14 Accord the CVT failed at 60k miles. I bought it at 32k miles, not sure if the fluid was changed at 30k or not, but I'm thinking it wasn't. Luckily it was Certified, so it was under warranty (would've been $6k!). I'm now at 127k, so 67k on the second CVT, with 2 fluid changes at the dealer (not cheap, unfortunately), and no issues. They told me at the time they replaced it that when they are regularly serviced, they don't have issues. So I'd recommend having it serviced every 30k.
@@thinbrickspec77 Subaru does not want you to touch the fluid, and it can and will void the warranty. We purchased a 10 Year/100K Warranty (out the door) with a $100 deductible. It was very reasonable. So I will not be concerned about the 10th year as the car will probably go. Unless Subaru starts changing its maintenance procedures. I will not touch it while still under warranty.
@@Calabrese1966 it won't void the warranty if done at any Subaru Dealer. Canadian sold Subaru's suggest changing it at 40k, its every 25-30k in Japan. Do you think U.S. sold Subaru vehicles have a different fluid put in them when shipped here from Japan? Lol If your dealer tells you NO if you request it be change, call SOA or go to a different dealership.
@@Calabrese1966that’s extremely misguided. ONLY Subaru North America has those guidelines. Subaru, in every other worldwide location they have, recommends cvt fluid changes between 30-60k miles. As this is a critical mileage point where the fluid breaks down and begins to varnish the internal structure of the transmission and valve body. I’d strongly recommend a fluid change at 60k miles at the absolute latest.
Thanks for the video. Question do Subaru's CVTs have a first regular gear like Toyota or Hondas CVTs? I am asking because the combination of a first gear in a CVT seams to me what makes them reliable...I think.
My 04 Honda Accord has almost 300,000 City miles on it and I'm still on the original clutch I'm noticing the throwout bearing is starting to make some noise now so it's going to be soon. But since I'll be replacing the clutch myself it will only be a three to four hundred dollar repair
LMAO i drove like a moron burned through a clutch in 30k in several models fords, Hondas, toyotas, nissans no suburus, there is no way a clutch will make it the entire span of the cars life not if you actually drive a car with some purpose.. maybe if you just babied the car its whole life but i do my own clutches takes you about 8 hours total but i generally just enjoy the process of working on the car so spend the weekend putting in a new clutch, also oil change intervals are a joke to, i have had many vehicles make it past 300k doing sporadic maintenance every thing they mention is merely a gimmick to take your money you can go 10k miles in between oil changes easily with no issues, i had a ford ranger only changed the oil 6 times sold it still running strong at 308k miles and its a ford every one says there junk lol, all these videos are only opinions not actual facts, you want a suburu go get one they seem like any other car, what you should look at is how much do replacement parts cost for that model, ex ford alternator 80$ Mercedes $380 hmm wich car should i buy? Thats my thoughts but CVt Transmission are like any other Transmission nothing exponentially bad about them every thing wears out eventually just slap a new one in over the weekend and drive on. Super simple.
I had a Subaru cross trek with the cvt and the valve body failed. Pricing here was around $2000 at the time. Traded it for a 2018 forester with a manual. That clutch kit I have found for $300-$500 currently. I’ll stick with this for now.
the problem i had was gearbox failer on my 96 toyota. no trans shops hear would even go near a manual transmission. one guy even said manuals are not even made anymore im like wtf are you talking about and listed brand new cars with standerd shift.
Im curios why you think that you will need to replace a clutch at around 100k miles? I have a 97 camry with manual transmission and v6. I replaced the clutch 10 years ago and drive an average of 25k miles a year.
Only reason i want one is because i want the car i want but its because i had second shoulder surgery at 21 but ive never been againts people gettin manual in auto matic
PZEV Warranty, covers emission up to 150k miles unlimited mileage, Call subaru of America ive heard many stories of them covering the cvt under this warranty.
Unreliable,80 thousand mile replacement on a 2012 Imprezza transmission 5000 dollars! !Wheel hubs locking up, shift lever stuck in place ,could not turn off engine, car key stuck in ignition 600 dollars from the stealership! The Muffler rusted a giant hole and fell off,in fact the whole undercarriage is rusted Suburu uses cheap metal,my 2002 Honda odyssey has no rust at all! I could go on I have 2 hondas and 2 toyotas never had a problem,My neighbors 2015 Suburu spends more time in the shop than in his garage! In my opinion Suburu is a poorly made money pit!
Subaru will not honor the extended warranty on the transmission if the fluid has been changed within the 100k period. Exception would be if a dealer serviced it and had to drain and fill. If a owner services it during the time / mileage period, the warranty is void.
Subaru Japan says to change cvt fluid 36000/3 while in USA they say to never change it unless you pull trailer. Then change it at maybe 15000. Why the difference?
The United States has its own Subaru headquarters and own sets of standards for Subaru vehicles sold here. For example, they say in North American, the Subaru Outback 2.5 can tow significantly less than the same exact specifications of Outback sold in Australia. Why? Political and legal nonsense. Japan likely has a very strong consumer advocacy stance and Subaru Japan knows that cvts require diligent maintenance for longevity. Short answer? Trust Japan on this one.
Nissan's terrible CVT history has totally destroyed the CVT rep that it does not deserve. Maybe 10+ years ago but not anymore, Subaru has been getting REALLY good at making worthy CVTs. My CVT has 118k on it with no issues on a 2014 Legacy. In fact other than a serpentine belt replacement I have not had to do anything else to the Legacy, MUCH more than i can say for the Honda's, Pontiac's, Mitsubishi's, BMW's and Ford's over the years. In fact outside of my wife's Lexus RX330 (and a 350 afterwards) the Legacy is the only car I haven't had to work on while owning.
The problem with that is Nissan doesn’t make CVT’s. They purchase them from JATCO. Interesting enough, Subaru partnered with JATCO to design their cvt. The same JATCO that builds Nissan cvt’s. Subaru still uses that exact same design today. Ill informed Subaru people try to say that JATCO cvt’s are horrible, and I just think how foolish that sounds knowing our cvt’s (yes I am an Outback owner) are designed by JATCO.
I recently test drove multiple new 2024 Impreza RS models and all of them had whining noise possibly coming from CVT. Some made that whining noise during acceleration, others off accelerator such as when coasting. Any ideas if all of them are bad or that is expected?
I dont think its fair to compare it to a manual. In reality, unless you are driving a heavily modified or raced vehicle you should never have to replace a clutch. I drive exclusively manuals and have never had to change a clutch in my 25 years of driving. Many of those have gone over 200k miles before I got rid of them. Mustangs, GTIs, mazdaspeed 3, BRZ, never needed a clutch. My beater 2012 mazda 3 has 232k on it currently on stock clutch. Anyone needing clutch replacements like they are brake pads is not a good manual driver...!!
@@alexanderfpv6655 I just try to match my revs as good as possible and slip thr clutch as little as possible. The exception being when racing. Then I slip a little to get off the line and avoid dumping it.
I don’t think I’d wanna buy used one that someone used to tow with! Especially if it’s an automatic, those transmissions don’t seem solid enough for that there is no cooler for them
Obviously, you don't possess any of that knowledge. Otherwise you wouldn't be driving a RAM pickup, I believe they have issues with the 2020 - 23 ... 2500 & 3500 trucks. Hmmmmmm, all Dodge automatic transmissions are garbage. 😂😂 I can go back to the 2009 thru 2017 trucks also if you'd like.
Do you think a turbo diesel would be too much for a cvt? I too quite like the cvt drive, I had a cvt turbo audi that would do under 6L/100km on the highway and it was just really nice on long drives.
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Looking at buying a subaru forester at around 6000 miles and its all very confusing and a bit scary.. Subaru says only to inspect fluid every 6000 miles but the way the transmission is built I cant imagine it wont produce a lot of metal dust within..
I have to ask, do you have anu numbers to support your claim and wasnt the Subaru warranty ONLY for the 2014-2018 cars?
@@garremannen change oils as often as possible. For the CVT Subaru sais 8 years and 120.000km for a Forester. WTHail?! Just change it with quality oil( not what you get on tv)
My subaru cvt has never missed a beat. 251000km and still going strong. Just change the oil every 45000 km
My original question was: is it a CVT or an ECVT.
Not true, you are a rare case then ! Its not the fluids, its the contact surfaces! my experience it 75,000 miles or less. And excessive friction damage. Ive seen the CV drives, they are dust and toasted to nothing. EVERY single one EVER built! Its part of the design. Look at the schematics! They are super weak and friction prone. Overheat ONE time, YOU ARE BONED!
@frosthoe utter nonsense. I am on my 3rd forester with a cvt and all have done 200000 + km, all have been fine, It is either your driving or poor maintenance. That simple.
people who complain about CVTs dont properly maintain their vehicles.
@@Marco-qe5zw If only that were true! then we coulc point a finger. bur you are 100% wrong. Cvts use a consumable friction member (the belt). how mant Cvts have you had apart. im at 7 CVts repaired now, How bout you? 🤣
Driving like a grandpaw and changing the CVT fluid and filter every two years seem like keys to success.
YES SIR!!! Mine shift radically while trying to hustle hardly.
You cannot change the filter in a TR580/690 without a complete disassembly of the cvt.
That’s fine if you own since new but if you’re buying used you usually don’t know how the last owner treated it.
@@jayson657 Still change the oil, do some tests- not that hard if looking for a bargain!
@@jayson657don’t ever ever ever buy used!!!
I had one. Drove it easy, never pulled a trailer. Let it shift itself. Loved it.
I am a master mechanic. Subaru CVT’s have complete failures often times before 100,000 miles. If you tow anything or use the car aggressively they will fail at about 50,000 miles. Nissan buys their CVT’s from Jatco transmission company. This company also supplies CVT’s to Stellantis for their Jeep products. These are among the worst transmissions ever made.. A manual transmissions clutch can easily last 200,000 miles if you drive the car correctly. A CVT is much cheaper to manufacture than a standard clutch type automatic transmission. That is why Subaru uses them. Most manufactures are discontinuing the use of CVT, because of consumer complaints and their relatively short service life.
I can absolutely back up your claim. I had a 2020 Subaru Onyx XT. I loved the performance and the towing capacity. The problems for me began around 40,000 miles. I started noticing the transmission stuttering at different speeds. Took it to the dealer not once, but twice. They could find no issue, The second time I took it in was after a recall was issued concerning programming for guess what, the transmission. Recall was sent out in January and stated that a fix wouldn't be available until April. Recall specifically stated that the transmission could completely fail. Well mine did. Right after I exited Interstate 95. Thank god it happened after I exited the Interstate. I would have been a sitting duck on 95. Anyway, Subaru replaced the transmission although the recall fix still had not been implemented. I traded it in on a 2022 Outback premium after some research that indicated that most of the problems were with the XT (turbo) models. I haven't had any issues with the 2022 which currently has 71,000 miles. I still don't have 100% confidence in Subaru transmissions now though. I'll probably go back to Honda or maybe Toyota for my next vehicle.
I totally agree. My Legacy's trasnmission failed at 160k miles. I won't be buying Subaru ever again
Subaru CVTs aren't made by JATCO 😂
We recently bought a 2023 Chevrolet Trailblazer with a 1.2 engine, & a CVT trans. & I didn't even give it a 2nd thought about buying the vehicle. & so far I've been impressed with the performance of the trans. Thanks for the video.
The trouble you will get there is the engine. The tiny engine is pushed to its limit with the added turbo pressures. Keep your oil checked. I have four GM vehicles with the CVT and 1.6 waiting for parts. One needs a new engine due to oil starvation.
300,000 k's on my 2010 Outback and I just replaced my TC lockup solenoid myself. A very easy fix for anyone mechanically minded and only cost me AUD240 for parts and fluid. I didn't replace the valve body so there was no need for the "relearning" process that requires specialist equipment. The CVT is now perfoming flawlessly.
I’ve always changed my transmission fluid every 30k miles. When I brought my (first) Subaru in a week ago for a free oil change I asked about changing the fluid. I was told it was good “for the life of the car”. If I change it I understand it voids the warranty. I watched a video on changing the fluid and while having a lift (due to the angle of having to refill the fluid) would make things easier, it doesn’t seem complicated. Why does Subaru stick to the “lifetime” concept, wouldn’t it be better to have it changed? Owners manual does specify heavy duty use to change it, so since I do sit in a lot of stop and go traffic I’d consider that “extreme”. At 35k I’ll be out of warranty anyway so if I want to have it changed probably won’t hurt me financially either way. Honestly don’t know… 🤷♂️ Love my car by the way, really happy with it!
As the person in the video stated, Subaru warranties its CVT for 10 years or 100,00 miles. If you service the CVT before then, that will void the remaining warranty.
I change my Nissan cvt transmission fluid every 30k u can do it every 20k if u wanna keep it for 5 years or more
as per user manual- 8 years and 120.000km. No- not doing that! 45.000km. But 99% of users have no ideea that the oil that they use is low quality. Engine oil, CVT oil, diff oil- all of them are low low quality. Thats why your engine blows, VCT goes into limp mode, etc..because you are using a low quality oil. Even if its OEM. PS- quality oil is not on TV, nor in a marketing campain. You need to find it.
Stop and go traffic is not extreme, thats normal traffic lol. Extreme is probably considered off roading the vehicle often
@@cohenrobins3202 I’m guessing you’ve never been on 287 in NJ around 5:00, huh? 🤣 It takes me many evenings 2 hours (on a good night) sometimes 3 if there’s an accident to travel just 50 miles. Listen, I’ll swap your “extreme” off-roading on fire roads and trails, a little mud too anyday, hell, EVERY DAY over the stop & go crap I deal with most nights. It took me two (yes two) damn hours just to get over the Driscoll Bridge the Tuesday after Labor Day… 3 hours that morning in all just to get into work… should I have taken Rt 18 that morning? Hell yeah, and that mistake is on me! 😂 That was water under the bridge (literally) at that point though… the point is, sitting and idling, like I do, isn’t great for a transmission or even the engine. Normal lights and around town traffic is expected and yeah, nothing to worry about, so I agree with you on that. I’ve always changed the transmission fluid in my cars/trucks every 30k and have never had an issue. Preventive maintenance goes a long way…
200K miles is the benchmark for a good car. No major part should fail with regular maintenance before 200K miles. any car that does is garbage
So how do you know is a car is garbage when you buy it?
Great info!!
💫Subarus are awesome rigs, I have had (2). Currently paying off my17 model crosstrek w/ less than 53k miles. Glad Subaru has provided us with that extra warranty piece of mind too.
1998 forester 5 speed still trucking at 215,000 miles.
Thank you for the video. Just had my CVT serviced at the dealer.
Just ordered a 2023 Forester Sport which will be my first ever CVT. I can't say I'm excited for it, but I have no concerns abut reliability and I am looking forward to the fuel economy which should be a 2-3 MPG improvement over my Impreza Sport 5 speed. I've done a good amount of research and Subaru CVTs seem to be some of the best in the industry, so I'm not worried.
Had my 2012 cvt for 6 years and I love it
We had all 3 generations of Forester and never have a problem with them .
Forester is still assembled in Japan (big advantage for quality)
@@cristianstriblea792 I decided I wanted the 2.4 turbo engine so I cancelled my Forester order and purchased a 2023 Outback Touring XT last week. It was $5000 more than the Forester (ouch!) but I have no regrets. I absolutely love the Outback and I can't believe how comfortable and well equipped it is, feels like a full-on luxury vehicle. It's well worth the upgrade in my opinion. I'm sure the Forester would have been fine, but I prefer to have ample power in my vehicles when I can and I plan on this being my last vehicle purchase for a long time.
I felt the same way. But I can tell you that if you service them they will last 200+thousand miles.
2020 forester premium with cvt 45 k no issues yet. I also live in a cold climate.
I already replaced fluid twice at 50k and 90k for 2015 3.6R. Every time fluid showed a sign that it needs to be replaced. Besides that, I agree, it's a good transmission.
Yup....have a 2010 Outback with CVT, and are now very close to 200,000 miles, and still runs great
My 2018 v6 Nissan cvt made it to 60k almost had 36k hard miles and still works perfectly seen redline 5000 times or so just don't give it full throttle until ur at 15mph and ur not abusing it and don't press the gas pedal a bunch of times keep 10% throttle for long period of time while driving not constantly throttling it letting off throttle and pressing gas again. Cvt likes to be under acceleration or off acceleration for 3 seconds until u press gas again
Thanks a lot. This was really helpful. I was on the fence about the CVT because of the Nissan nightmare.
Whew! Just brought my new cvt wrx home yesterday and thought "oh shiester!" I love the cvt and I'm a life long shifter. The shift points are brilliant especially in sport mode. It holds the gear during spirited driving rather than shifting down, which was my biggest gripe with old-school trannies. Love the wrx!
Subaru made their great reliability and popularity with the CVT transmission and they are all 4 wd. Thank You
Problem with CVTs is that no consumer ever asked for them. The industry just forced them onto us because their manufacturing is less costly. They kept repeating that they are the best since they keep the engine in its optimal power band but consumers don't care about that...because the driving experience is destroyed in the process.
Case in point, consumers requested the feel of changing gears to restore the experience. The automakers responded by degrading the efficiency of the CVT by adding this "manual" mode. What they should have done is to completely ditch it and go back to manual transmission. Yet, since the CVT reduces the manufacturer's costs, they opted for this contraption.
reduced cost for the manufacturer also reduces cost for the consumer. Only a minority want the "driving experience"
Real talk. I always want the driving experience!!!
thanks for the info... I've been car shopping and heard about the CVT Problem and good to know it's not that bad and Subaru is warrantying it...
Driving a cvt is great. I do have to ask about that $1,200 number. I suspect a transmission shop is going to be double that or more. Maybe that number is old.
I love the CVT for driving, but Subaru has had problems with the CVT. Especially for those who go off road occasionally. I’ve owned a number of Subarus but will not buy another one until I’m sure the CVT in them is completely reliable. I had two friends have their Subaru CVT go completely out. I do believe the.last few years they have been improved and are much more reliable. However I’m waiting too see.
Thanks for sharing, I pre-ordered a 2022 Forester Limited, your review will alleviate some apprehension regarding the Subaru CVT. I know Honda and Toyota uses the e-CVT that are very reliable as well. My wife drives a 2017 Honda Civic w/e-CVT trans.
The eCVT doesn't use belts or chains and is completely different in every way to traditional CVTs. The eCVT is nothing more that a planetary gear set, which makes it dead reliable.
Short answer to this question? Look after it and it will look after you. Our 2011 CVT went 11 years 255,000 km no problems. Regular CVT fluid changes to keep it fresh. There is no such thing as a lifetime fluid.
I'm looking at a 2024 Subaru Outback Wilderness and am concerned, as many are, about the reliability of the CVT. I've never owned a Subi and would like to know how reliable they are. I drive a lot in variable conditions, in town and across the country. I appreciate Japanese ingenuity and design and am very Impressed with the longevity and reliability with my 2009 Toyota Sienna. 245k and it runs tip top, I do the maintenance. I'm hoping that since Toyota and Subaru have merged some technologies the Outback will provide many years of reliability.
The Outback Wilderness is the best car I've ever driven over the 30 years I've been driving. Subaru's CVTs are made inhouse, not by JATCO which is the company that has caused Nissan so much grief. There's some 'master mechanic' talking shit about CVTs as if they are all made by JATCO. Subaru also installs a CVT cooler on new cars since heat, like with everything else, is what kills the CVT. The Subaru CVT will fail like any transmission if you launch it repeatedly, or will become less reliable if you tune it beyond 320 whp and TRQ. The only manual cars Subaru makes are WRXs and BRZ, there are so many Crosstreks and Outbacks on the road, this video would be a never ending stream of people talking about failures if they happened often enough to be a known issue. Subaru did have failures around 2015 model year which is why they took control of the issue and started doing stuff like adding coolers, better fluid, and stronger chain. Oh, all Subarus are CVT in Japan, including the 2014 STI S4 WRX which had 295/295 HP and TRQ. Once again, the Internet would be full of people bitching internationally, instead of a few folk on reddit who over tuned their cars and raced every chance they could.
I had a 2016 Outback in the UK. The CVT was great if you know how to drive one as they are designed. No flooring it, you make good progress with very little effort.
Subaru tech here, can confirm valve bodys in tr580 transmisisons do fail quiet frenquently over 150k kms on them.
Majority of these do get replaced under warranty or under subaru goodwill.
Other than that they are pretty reliable if maintained properly, key word maintained, subaru does state that these transmission cvt fluids are "lifetime fluids" but what does this mean? It means they're expected lifespan most people own the cars which is 100-150k kms.
Which is why its not on the subaru scheduled servicing plan.
Why is this a problem? Because all oil degrades with heat cycles, use and time. Eventually the oil gets old, gritty with material in it and burnt from so many heat cycles, i would say this is probably the main contributor to subarus cvt issues.
Outside of the abnormal issues like pre mature bearing failures internal in the cvt etc.
After doing a lot of research on belt/chain design CVT's, I decided that in the absence of a good manual option that I will stick with Mazda & their modernized-design "SkyActiv" 6-speed automatic. Well, that or an "eCVT" transmission hybrid vehicle, since that is a totally different design & much better than any crappy, budget-built belt/chain CVT used in regular ICE vehicles.
I'm personally bored of regular transmissions that have same rpm at same speed. Cvt always has different revs at different speeds and with throttle u can manipulate the rpms u want mid corner to get some grip and rpms u need
2011 outback here with the cvt. The TC is also a big issue. If the lockup solenoid starts going out, it also ruins the TC.
Just returned from the dealer due to recently occurring shudder and lack of acceleration with increasing rpms with check engine light. The dealer says our 2016 Forester with only 118,000 kms needs a replacement CVT. Thankfully the warranty will cover it. I remember being worried about that CVT when we bought it, and almost bought a Rav4 instead because of its 6-speed conventional automatic transmission. The warranty on the replacement transmission will only be a year, so that's not great, but if the replacement can last seven years, we'll be good.
I have a 2016 forester as well. The valve body went out at 98k then the entire transmission went out at 108k. The remanufactured transmission lasted all of 6k. I'm done with it.
204k miles on my 2014 Outback.. never changed the CVT fluid and she still runs perfectly smooth.. towed boats, trailers, mountain driving, etc. People need to start trusting the engineers that build these things rather than youtubers.
That's good to know.
Hi,
I have 3 mentions: 1. I drive CVT now; i often use manual mode, and I have a much better fuel consumption. I test drive (back to back) a XV Crosstrek and I loved more the CVT over a manual 5 speed (mostly because of high revs @ 120 km/h.
2. I never had any problems with the clutch, and I drive manuals since 1992. I brought some cars @ more than 500 000 km.
3. Usually, it is better to have a manual if you tow a trailer, the driver have the control.
Good point on towing. Anything with a torque converter gets incredibly hot when towing. This is why trucks have an optional "towing package" to add additional cooling to the torque converter.
@@shawn576 thanks. I did not know that towing package includes cooling.
Man CVT Impreza burns a lot of gas but I only drive in automatic… you think driving in manual actual saves gas?
@@carlingtonmccormack1850 yes, this is true for mine
So does manual works best for u?
We’re on our 4th Subaru with Cvt’s. No problems with any of them. I have dealer change the fluid every 50k miles. The Nissan Jatco Cvt’s were supposed to be the really bad ones.
JATCO hasn’t had a widespread failure since 2013 for the judder/shudder campaign. Since then, JATCO has been excellent. It’s also important to note that the whole Nissan cvt thing is one of the biggest false news stories to perpetuate since the GM diesel debacle in the 80s. Since the JATCO cvt issues in 2013, Honda had issues in 2013-2014, Subaru had issues from 2014-2017, and Toyota had issues in 2018. All cvt’s are reliable now.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Glad Nissan sorted out the Jatco Cvt’s then.
SUBARU CVT transmission is RELIABLE as long the owners follow the mantainents. I own Subaru Forester 2014 for 10 years now. No issue Whatsoever 👍
I know people that have had problems with cvts from a bunch of brands, Ford Nissan Subaru Honda Toyota. They are cheaper to manufacture and provide little benefits over a well designed conventional transmission. I think that is the only reason they go with them, a lot of transmission shops wont rebuild them or even touch them.
That million miles was wolverine12 and he did replace the engine at 600k+ also a manual transmission.
The main difference between a manual transmission and a CVT. Finding a shop, other than the stealership, willing to work on a CVT. You won't find one.
I disagree. Manual is still more durable and cheaper to repair. ECVT like in the Prius is the best.
Warranty of Subaru CVT is only 5 years and 60,000 miles in 2023. Only older CVTs got the extension. My parents lost the throttle body on both Subarus (2014 and 2015) at 80,000 miles in Florida heat. They lost the transmission completely at about 135,000 miles. That is not as good as my 2013 Subaru with a 5 speed with is still on the original transmission with 136,000 miles. I am not sure I will buy another Subaru as a result.
The fluid should have been changed every 40k miles
@@danielfair4675 They did better than that, 30,000 miles. Still had the issues listed.
2022 subaru Outback wilderness. CVT was replaced at 9,500 miles.
How did that happen lol
What the hell did you do to it? 😮
Late to the party but went through two cvts before getting rid of my Subaru ascent. 28k, 58k. Known issue with ascent. Glad I got rid of it.. Paint was thin too but electronics and interior were nice.
Now I’m a bit concern about the fragile windshield issues on the current Subaru line.
Ive heard quite a bit about that as well. It does seem to be with the newer ones, my 2012 has its original windshield still. Got hit with a quarter size rock at 65 mph and it bounced off. GL
Having outback 310000 km 190000 miles) no issues yet (oil change done)
CVT's have been around in cars since the 90's or before,... They are here to stay.
So factory warranty on CVT is 100,000 miles? I could not find that documentation at the Subaru website....Limited Powertrain Warranty 60,000 miles.
They've extended it to 100,000
The real issue is people are not educated on CVT’s & just believe all the miss information.
I have a Subaru wrx CVT which I track & it performs brilliantly every time 👍💯
I have never changed the CVT fluid in our Subaru and It is at over 200k miles. I’ve always been able to tell when it’s cold that it slips more. So I drive it like a grandpa for about 5 miles it pulls just like it should. The CVT does an excellent job getting the most out of a 2.5 liter power plant hauling the heavy and bloated 17 outback! It’s big compared to older models but the car is super capable and the CVT performs excellent. The feeling of the “shifts” reminds me of an old C6 or Turbo 400 but with more “gears”
Old c6 corvette? What c6
@@ImaYamA Ford C6, 3 speed automatic. The C6 and the GM TH400 were used behind the Ford and GM big blocks.
Great, fair video! I totally agree! I've liked Subaru as well as my local dealers who are very fair and do good maintenance!!
First, you need to do the transmission fluid every 30,000 right on the top
My- 2018 Subaru Forester XT with a CVT - 65k miles and I need a new transmission…. $8k
Im been telling people this Subaru is one of the best Daily cost and maintenance and features set hell yea
I have a 2021 Crosstrek Ltd. I went off road - nothing technical and used the Xmode once. All the lights lit up on the dash including the AT temp light. All of the lights cleared after shutting it off for several hours. Seemed to drive well the last few days but this did happen 2x while climbing a hill (not very steep). I took it to the dealer and they said I need a new CVT - which shocked me. This video is interesting. I already called Subaru of America and I am waiting to see what they say. If they won't cover, I will mention the solenoid issue.
How many kms do you have on it? This should be covered under warranty
A doctor's evaluation to a patient should be so encouraging
166,000 km on my Subaru Forester XT CVT. The car is currently in the garage in limp mode throwing A/T Temp codes. Has been for more than two weeks because of Subaru's parts availability issues. They are telling me I need a new CVT. The extended warranty has expired. I am very disappointed and thinking of switching to Honda.
Ps I called Subaru America, they were rude , defensive about my issue and treated me like insurance companies do when you file an accident claim after paying your premium 5 yrs on time ridiculous what they get away with burning consumers and not as advertised product,
10 years / 100K warranty is nothing. If a modern trans can't go well over 200K without issues, then it is behind the curve in the reliability department. They have to provide much longer life expectancy for the price that they charge for today's cars.
Perfectly fine transmission if you just drive it like you’re supposed to not flooring it off the line or up a hill. Just smoothly roll into everything you do and it’ll be good for a long time
I had a Mini Cooper with a CVT and hated the drivability of it. Plus, after about 120k miles, bearings in the transmission started singing to us. About a $5k job to replace it.
The experience made me swear off all CVTs.
As the driver of mechanically flawless 277,000 and 177,000 mile cars, a 100,000 warranty on a belt-pulley friction-drive transmission design isn't that reassuring.
The best advantage CVT can give is the cost cutting in the production of the manufacturer, the headache will will be to the consumer, good if the car dealerships will give special offer to the CVT car buyers giving their customers a free supply of PARACETAMOL to mend the consumer's headache.
Update. My grandma like driving style co-workers CVT DIED again! . The one that was replaced last year...that was replaced...Its like an oil change. Go in get fluids, filter changed, Bi annually.
And a new CVT Transmission every year on purchase day anniversary.. 3-CVT's in 3 years. Yeah Im gonna skip on that snowmobile tech till its no contact Mag clutch, and mag drive gears.
The beuty of a Magnetic clutch is it never overheats from friction, Inductance maybe, not friction.
If this video was made as of 7 months ago how can you know that Subaru cvt's are now reliable since there hasn't been enought time to test that out. A 1999 Subaru Forester will virtually never have problems with it's 5speed transmission as of 20+ years being in existance. When cvt's can get to that age without issues then I'll believe they're reliable. Being in service for one year with no issues doesn't prove reliablity.
They’ve been around for 10+ years at this point
@@KurtofTrades ok I missunderstood what you said then, cheers
Nissan lost Cummins. That says a lot.
New Subarus have 8 years warranty (with no km limit)
Thanks for this video man. Happy Easter
What about a traditional automatic transmission? Is a CVT as reliable as a traditional automatic transmission? This is why I'm considering a Mazda.
What is your take on the transmission fluid drain/fill? I know Honda once said like every 30,000 miles they recommend it. Some people say that it is a lifetime, which again is not true. Nothing is for life.
On my '14 Accord the CVT failed at 60k miles. I bought it at 32k miles, not sure if the fluid was changed at 30k or not, but I'm thinking it wasn't. Luckily it was Certified, so it was under warranty (would've been $6k!). I'm now at 127k, so 67k on the second CVT, with 2 fluid changes at the dealer (not cheap, unfortunately), and no issues. They told me at the time they replaced it that when they are regularly serviced, they don't have issues. So I'd recommend having it serviced every 30k.
I have 130k on my 14 honda accord with the cvt. Change my fluid every 40k miles. Runs me about 200$ every time but worth it.
@@thinbrickspec77 Subaru does not want you to touch the fluid, and it can and will void the warranty. We purchased a 10 Year/100K Warranty (out the door) with a $100 deductible. It was very reasonable. So I will not be concerned about the 10th year as the car will probably go. Unless Subaru starts changing its maintenance procedures. I will not touch it while still under warranty.
@@Calabrese1966 it won't void the warranty if done at any Subaru Dealer.
Canadian sold Subaru's suggest changing it at 40k, its every 25-30k in Japan.
Do you think U.S. sold Subaru vehicles have a different fluid put in them when shipped here from Japan? Lol
If your dealer tells you NO if you request it be change, call SOA or go to a different dealership.
@@Calabrese1966that’s extremely misguided. ONLY Subaru North America has those guidelines. Subaru, in every other worldwide location they have, recommends cvt fluid changes between 30-60k miles. As this is a critical mileage point where the fluid breaks down and begins to varnish the internal structure of the transmission and valve body. I’d strongly recommend a fluid change at 60k miles at the absolute latest.
Thanks for the video. Question do Subaru's CVTs have a first regular gear like Toyota or Hondas CVTs? I am asking because the combination of a first gear in a CVT seams to me what makes them reliable...I think.
Don’t believe so. They use the cvt only.
Stop saying “CTV TRANSMISSION”. It’s called a “CV TRANSMISSION”
A manual clutch should last the lifetime of the engine with limited slipping/proper driver!
Very true, I’ve heard of a lot of people with these cars going through a clutch as quick as 60k !
My 04 Honda Accord has almost 300,000 City miles on it and I'm still on the original clutch I'm noticing the throwout bearing is starting to make some noise now so it's going to be soon. But since I'll be replacing the clutch myself it will only be a three to four hundred dollar repair
LMAO i drove like a moron burned through a clutch in 30k in several models fords, Hondas, toyotas, nissans no suburus, there is no way a clutch will make it the entire span of the cars life not if you actually drive a car with some purpose.. maybe if you just babied the car its whole life but i do my own clutches takes you about 8 hours total but i generally just enjoy the process of working on the car so spend the weekend putting in a new clutch, also oil change intervals are a joke to, i have had many vehicles make it past 300k doing sporadic maintenance every thing they mention is merely a gimmick to take your money you can go 10k miles in between oil changes easily with no issues, i had a ford ranger only changed the oil 6 times sold it still running strong at 308k miles and its a ford every one says there junk lol, all these videos are only opinions not actual facts, you want a suburu go get one they seem like any other car, what you should look at is how much do replacement parts cost for that model, ex ford alternator 80$ Mercedes $380 hmm wich car should i buy? Thats my thoughts but CVt Transmission are like any other Transmission nothing exponentially bad about them every thing wears out eventually just slap a new one in over the weekend and drive on. Super simple.
I had a Subaru cross trek with the cvt and the valve body failed. Pricing here was around $2000 at the time. Traded it for a 2018 forester with a manual. That clutch kit I have found for $300-$500 currently. I’ll stick with this for now.
the problem i had was gearbox failer on my 96 toyota. no trans shops hear would even go near a manual transmission. one guy even said manuals are not even made anymore im like wtf are you talking about and listed brand new cars with standerd shift.
There is no repair cost for a manual transmission. Possibly changing the Clutch at 200k miles
Im curios why you think that you will need to replace a clutch at around 100k miles? I have a 97 camry with manual transmission and v6. I replaced the clutch 10 years ago and drive an average of 25k miles a year.
Only reason i want one is because i want the car i want but its because i had second shoulder surgery at 21 but ive never been againts people gettin manual in auto matic
manual always best if you live at a certain area
is it worth buying a used 2015-2018 WRX with a CVT transmission with high mileage?
I like my 2006 Outback but now I can't get a manual with two ranges I won't be buying another.
What warranty was mentioned at the 2:11 mark? Car is at the shop as I type getting this fixed at 141,500 miles. $2,200 +/- repair cost.
PZEV Warranty, covers emission up to 150k miles unlimited mileage, Call subaru of America ive heard many stories of them covering the cvt under this warranty.
What does PZEV warranty have to do with the CVT. Isn’t PZEV emissions?
1st generation Nissan CVT issues related to a Poor CVT Trans Fluid that Did Not Meet Nissan's Mfg Specifications . . .
Unreliable,80 thousand mile replacement on a 2012 Imprezza transmission 5000 dollars! !Wheel hubs locking up, shift lever stuck in place ,could not turn off engine, car key stuck in ignition 600 dollars from the stealership! The Muffler rusted a giant hole and fell off,in fact the whole undercarriage is rusted Suburu uses cheap metal,my 2002 Honda odyssey has no rust at all! I could go on I have 2 hondas and 2 toyotas never had a problem,My neighbors 2015 Suburu spends more time in the shop than in his garage! In my opinion Suburu is a poorly made money pit!
2015 legacy, valve body died at 225,000.. cost $2.200 to repair.
Google says otherwise in almost all cvt manufacturers do yiur home work dude 😎
Subaru will not honor the extended warranty on the transmission if the fluid has been changed within the 100k period. Exception would be if a dealer serviced it and had to drain and fill. If a owner services it during the time / mileage period, the warranty is void.
How would they know?
@@TheLostSquadron It would be clean oil and not 100k mile black.
@@majorkursk780 If you put 1000 miles (maybe less) on a flush and fill, it be black. It will have better viscosity, but they're never gonna know.
This in not a common problem do not make false statements if you don't like nissan Trans I hv one and love it .
I have a Nissan with a CVT and I don't have any complaints at all. but to protect myself I did buy a Ten year/100,000 mile extended warranty
I just bought a 2024 outback 2.5 non turbo with a cvt, I plan on doing oil changes every 30k and no towing. Should I worry?
hey, really nice video! i've got a question: staring from what MY the cvt can be considered more reliable?
Seems like the 2017+ ones seem to be a little better, hard to tell yet though
Subaru Japan says to change cvt fluid 36000/3 while in USA they say to never change it unless you pull trailer. Then change it at maybe 15000. Why the difference?
The United States has its own Subaru headquarters and own sets of standards for Subaru vehicles sold here. For example, they say in North American, the Subaru Outback 2.5 can tow significantly less than the same exact specifications of Outback sold in Australia. Why? Political and legal nonsense. Japan likely has a very strong consumer advocacy stance and Subaru Japan knows that cvts require diligent maintenance for longevity. Short answer? Trust Japan on this one.
Nissan's terrible CVT history has totally destroyed the CVT rep that it does not deserve. Maybe 10+ years ago but not anymore, Subaru has been getting REALLY good at making worthy CVTs. My CVT has 118k on it with no issues on a 2014 Legacy. In fact other than a serpentine belt replacement I have not had to do anything else to the Legacy, MUCH more than i can say for the Honda's, Pontiac's, Mitsubishi's, BMW's and Ford's over the years. In fact outside of my wife's Lexus RX330 (and a 350 afterwards) the Legacy is the only car I haven't had to work on while owning.
The problem with that is Nissan doesn’t make CVT’s. They purchase them from JATCO. Interesting enough, Subaru partnered with JATCO to design their cvt. The same JATCO that builds Nissan cvt’s. Subaru still uses that exact same design today. Ill informed Subaru people try to say that JATCO cvt’s are horrible, and I just think how foolish that sounds knowing our cvt’s (yes I am an Outback owner) are designed by JATCO.
I recently test drove multiple new 2024 Impreza RS models and all of them had whining noise possibly coming from CVT. Some made that whining noise during acceleration, others off accelerator such as when coasting. Any ideas if all of them are bad or that is expected?
I dont think its fair to compare it to a manual. In reality, unless you are driving a heavily modified or raced vehicle you should never have to replace a clutch. I drive exclusively manuals and have never had to change a clutch in my 25 years of driving. Many of those have gone over 200k miles before I got rid of them. Mustangs, GTIs, mazdaspeed 3, BRZ, never needed a clutch. My beater 2012 mazda 3 has 232k on it currently on stock clutch.
Anyone needing clutch replacements like they are brake pads is not a good manual driver...!!
Any specific techniques you use to shift and keep your clutch so fresh ?
@@alexanderfpv6655 I just try to match my revs as good as possible and slip thr clutch as little as possible. The exception being when racing. Then I slip a little to get off the line and avoid dumping it.
@@boost331 right on. I’m 50k in to my clutch and everything seems to so far.
I don’t think I’d wanna buy used one that someone used to tow with! Especially if it’s an automatic, those transmissions don’t seem solid enough for that there is no cooler for them
i get a new clutch every 300k miles and it's not that expensive. 600 tops
I only buy Nissan! You must have the transmission flush every 30,000 miles. It’s not Nissans fault people do not use their heads.
How are Subaru CVTs for towing?
Probably not very good. I wouldn’t trust it with anything heavy.
Ya but the clutch wesr is somewhere from 150-200k
All CVTs are garbage. Anyone with even a little mechanical knowledge knows this. Don't make excuses for these poor examples of a transmission.
Obviously, you don't possess any of that knowledge.
Otherwise you wouldn't be driving a RAM pickup, I believe they have issues with the 2020 - 23 ... 2500 & 3500 trucks. Hmmmmmm, all Dodge automatic transmissions are garbage. 😂😂
I can go back to the 2009 thru 2017 trucks also if you'd like.
You're talking crap.
Do you think a turbo diesel would be too much for a cvt? I too quite like the cvt drive, I had a cvt turbo audi that would do under 6L/100km on the highway and it was just really nice on long drives.
Yes, if your talking a truck turbo diesel. The torque will quickly destroy a cvt. Maybe in the future they'll come out with one strong enough.
Clutch vacancies be done for under 800 bucks man. Good video though
Depend where you go I guess and the vehicle.
Vacancies?
Is it a concern for having cvt in cold long winter in north Canada？
I’m in northern Michigan, but I’m sure it will be fine there too
@KurtofTrades ok thanks for the input, our winter here could be cold at -30 C for quite a long time...
I’ve pushed my cvt hard in my liberty and never had an issue 😅 😬