What do Catholics believe about Mary and the Saints?
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MARY ALSO SAYS EVEN SHE NEEDED A SAVIOR..
Of course she did, her Son, Jesus, is her savior. This is not in dispute.
They ALWAYS ignore that part. Always!
Correct. If she were sinless (according to Roman Catholicism), she would not need a savior.
@@jamesg3808i believe the Catholic tradition is Mary was saved before the birth of Christ. So she didn’t really need Jesus, but she was humble enough to recognize Christ as her savior.
@@jamesg3808false, she was preserved from sin by her savior. Therefore, she still needed a savior, her son.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 14:12
@@mamatlacuacha That verse is not relevant to this situation. In context, Jesus is referring to His earthly ministry. He even mentions in that verse that He is going to His Father, which is where Scripture teaches that He "ever lives to make intercession for us".
So does that mean I can't pray for my friends and family?
Catholics agree. This has nothing to do with intercession of the Saints.
@@Rachel91224 The point is, there are sincere & good people on both sides. I like Ali but she crossed the line today. It’s not good to mock Mary. Catholics & Protestants shouldn’t be fighting each other. We have too many enemies in this world 🌍. Christ wants us to be one. (John 17:21)
Thanks Allie Beth for having Trent Horn on. It takes courage to take on strong Catholics, bless you (ex-Elder of a Pentecostal church and convert to the Catholic Church) 🙏👍✋
Only takes the truth to take on Catholics.
Im hearing a lot of "God could" and not a lot of "God said this is how it works".
“What you bind on earth is bound in heaven”. - so god gave his church this power to reveal divine traditions through it
A lot of anti-Catholics seem to hold the position that God couldn’t, which is why Catholics start off the conversation in that way; God could
@filipkarwowski6510 Yep. Protestants often place boundaries on God
Exactly. It’s like their slogan, “God could..” yet they never gave any proof that He actually does
They bow down to man, they worship plaster and Wooden representativos of Saints and Mary and Kiss and now down to kiss their feet of Wood or clay or plaster and use Rosary beads and have repetative hail Mary mantras like the budist monks, Peter rebuked a centurión that bowed down unto him in acts 10:25 , what more evidence do we need to see the heresey?
Mary was a human being as we all are. The Bible calls all believers in Christ Saints. We are not to worship men or angels
Catholics only worship God. We honor Mary and the saints and pray for their intercession for us.
John 14:12
@@grantstangl969yes but that is a lie.
No one can intercede but Jesus as it is written. 1 Timothy 2:5. Your church opposes the word of God in many ways. The one thing Catholics have in common is they turn a blind eye and don’t really care about this fact.
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
Where in the Catholic faith do we proclaim divinity?
Jesus Honored his Mother in keeping with the commandments.
He gave her to us to be our mother at the cross.
In the Old Testament. Each Queen was NOT the one married to the king…. But was the mother of the king.
The New Testament is hidden in the old, and the old testament is revealed in the new.
This clip omits Trent’s strongest arguments: that the earliest records of Christians show them asking Mary and asking Paul (deceased) for help. So maybe there’s that….why don’t you look into the first Christians? Why not find out what those that sat at the apostles’ feet were taught?
They’re not strong arguments in the slightest
It's a clip meant to advertise the full video, which is linked on screen.
We look at the infallible word of God. And not the fallible word of man.
The first Christians in the New Testament did nothing of the sort.
They are the Christians I'll take my cue from.
Even if that’s what they did. That is not what Jesus, Paul or Peter taught. That statement just supports what we’ve know all along, the Catholic Church honors tradition above God’s word
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”
1 Timothy 2:5
The mediator your thinking.... is not what that verse is talking about.
🔎Read verse 6 the one who pay the debt of sin , of course that was only Jesus who died and he shed the blood for mankind on the Cross 🌎
@magdalenamcclarty3150 The verses before 1 timothy 2:5 encourage intercession..
Jesus is the only One who ever paid the price to be our mediator.
Mediator is not to be interchangeable with intercessor. Like if I were to intercede on your behalf and pray for you. Mediator means "to pay a price" and only Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins. Salvation comes from him alone.
@@taramccreary8997 And if I intercede and pray for you, I pray _to God THROUGH JESUS_ , as Jesus is our mediator.
I do not pray to a "saint", a mere human, to forgive your sins. That would get me, and you, nowhere.
Mary is the Mother of God. I think that pretty much answers the whole thing. Salve Regina❤
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus was the name and the body that GOD took upon Himself when He dwelt among us. Mary was not from the beginning with God like Jesus was.
She was a blessed human vessel. We respect her, but we do not pray to her or ask her to mediate for us.
If you read the bible you will see God does not have a mother.
❤yes, hallelujah
@@sammygomes7381 reread luke1/2 26-46
There is a lot more to this clip that Trent Horn explains really well. I’m a Pentecostal evangelical Christian and I love my catholic brothers and sisters. I love Mary too and I believe she intercedes for us in heaven. It’s really not that far of a stretch to believe this as a Christian. God bless all Christian’s around the world and may we be more united!
Read your Bible. Only Jesus intercedes.
@@leratommutle6139 May God bless you and your family. I mean that genuinely.
Thank you for not saying false or rude things about us. ❤
And for actually trying to understand what we believe instead of yelling at us and calling us idolaters when we revere God most, above all else. 😅😊
@@emma_luce_0623 Amen sis! Jesus said he wants all to be one! May God bless you!
An evangelical Pentecostal who believes in the intercession of our blessed mother?! That’s like saying you saw a Polar bear in Hawaii! It’s Rare but really really cool! Much love and blessings 🙏 🕊️ ❤️🔥
Jesus told us to pray to the Father in his name. If he is your Lord, you should do what he says.
His*, He*, He*
Don't pray to the Holy Spirit then.
@@emma_luce_0623
Yes, I agree. I was using lower case so as not to confuse who I was referring to.
@@KKruse-jb4cu I don't understand how that changes anything. We refer to God with capitalising any pronouns referring to Him.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 You don't understand? I thought you were cerebrum maximus.
Our Blessed Mother always points us to our Savior, her son, who is also Her Savior‼️
Mary had at least 7 children and I am sure you are not one of them. The bible is clear that no one comes to Jesus unless the Father gives them to Him.
Hail Mary, friend
@@joeyfajardo8738 Why not just Hail Cesar?
@sammygomes7381 why would I? Caesar wasn't a Christian I think
@@joeyfajardo8738 The point is they are both lying in a grave and cannot hear you.
The question isn't, "CAN God do it?" it's, "DID God do it?"
Christ be with you
The answer is yes
God bless you
Yes, and as proof you have the many thousands of miracles that happened through intercessions of Mary. Many well documented
@@MiguelTheFirst133 Well documented where? The Bible tells us that there is only one mediator between God and man and that mediator is Jesus Christ.
@@kittensanddaisies5615 in scientific documents where miracles have been documented and researched. And yes Christ is our one intercessor, that doesn’t mean we can’t join WITH him in interceding, that is the role of a Christian in a small sense, to be like Christ. Lastly, in the wedding of Cana Mary asks(or you could say intercedes) for her son, Jesus Christ, to make more wine for the wedding feast. This is what starts his public ministry. It was the intercession of Mary for their friends that saved them from a “minor” problem of running out of wine and more importantly, it started the public ministry Christ.
Yes he did!!!
It’s so odd that 1,500 years later after Christ, Protestants would somehow know better than those who were directly instructed by Jesus Himself? 🤔 Suddenly Jesus is no longer physically present in the Holy Eucharist? Suddenly confession is no longer necessary to be heard through the descendants of the twelve Apostles? Suddenly once saved always saved and sola scriptura? 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah cuz protestants read the Bible. Something catholics never do
@@arthur_tttt why did they remove books from the Bible, though?
Those features of Catholicism developed over centuries and aren't present in the Bible. Catholics sometimes talk as if their Tradition is a body of knowledge passed on orally from Christ, but this isn't true. All Catholics need to do to prove that idea is to quote some sayings of Christ - in verbatim preserved form - that we know only from Tradition. Obviously, this kind of Tradition (a preserved oral tradition) doesn't exist.
Tradition to Catholics really means the set of documents, liturgies, art, institutional policies, and even cuisine that the Church has evolved over thousands of years. Many of the most salient differences between Catholics and other Christians, like Papal infallibility and Marian dogmas, occurred hundreds of years after either the Reformation or the Great Schism, and dwarf the actual causes of either. Other Christians didn't reject Catholicism. Catholicism as we understand it today didn't exist back then, so we never believed it in the first place.
@@anacrespo6426the books that removed is not cannon in jewish bible. Old testament should be the same with jewish bible. Jesus is Jewish
@@arthur_ttttLet’s not forget that Catholics added other books to their bible.
The problem is that he didn’t answer the question. She asked him where Catholicism came up with the idea that this is how it works, and he completely skirted around that question by saying “God allows her to do that”. The question wasn’t “how does she do it”, the question is “why should we believe that this is what is true?”
The reality is, not everything experienced is directly through the bible. Pray to Mary and she will show you. These are experiences that are documented over time, and one can only assume she has extra grace or miraculous power given to her by her son. There is a reason she has a big following in Mexico. So many conversions to her son because of her influence, for example.
How could he answer anything. She would interrupt him and move on to her next question.
She starts off assuming that God cannot do what He wants, so he has to start off by saying God can make these things possible, because Protestants say that they are not even possible. Then he can move on and further explain why
@@kevbotech238Well, there's also this-
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are presented to God by an angel, who then presents them to the Lord (Revelation 8:3-4).
The Bible also tells us that the prayers of the righteous are heard by God, even in heaven (Proverbs 15:29).
In the book of Hebrews, we are encouraged to come boldly to the throne of God, where we can find mercy and grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
The Bible also speaks about the prayers of the saints being recorded in the book of life (Revelation 13:8).
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are a source of strength and comfort for those who are suffering (Revelation 6:9-11).
Our love for people deepens by praying for them. It is through prayer that the Lord will develop a burden and a care for those we are praying for. Who are you burdened for? Who are you praying for? This is one of the many ways the Holy Spirit produces more love in our hearts for one another.
If you watch the whole video it is adressed. He refers to sources and archeological findings before the council of Nicaea, like inscriptions in the catacombs saying "Peter and Paul (long deceased at that point), pray for Primos." So the idea of requesting the saints in heaven to pray for someone on earth. The point being that the CC got this from the early church and never stopped doing it.
As for the text of the hail Mary prayer, most of it is Luke 1. So that's where Catholics get that from.
The argument here is much smaller, namely "How can she do all that?" Implying she can't. The reply being that she can, because God grants her that ability. God granted Peter the ability to speak all the languages and dialects of all the people present at Pentecost and that was on earth. So God granting someone a supernatural ability is not exactly a figment of some Catholics imagination, it happens on more than one occasion.
in Revelation 6:10 we see martyrs in Heaven praying to God, asking Him to take specific action on earth. These are saints who have died and are now in God's presence. They're actively praying for God's justice on earth for persecuted believers. Somehow I get the impression, this isn't well understood, hence the question.
People who have died and went to heaven, praying to God who is also in heaven. It doesn't say anything about us people here on earth praying to these saints?
@@caitlin862 Yes, scripture confirms that Paul petitions prayers for the household of Onesiphorus after his passing. 2 Timothy 1:16.
@@DavidLTJpetitions to whom...
@@cheerfulmouse I'm not sure what you're asking.
You might want to read Rev 6:10 again.
There seem to be two patterns in this comment section. Either people will say this isn’t Biblical or that Catholics worship Mary. Neither of these address the actual argument, they are just cheap slogans.
Actually, those are just facts which you have not rebutted.
@@LoveB-fr4du The video made clear arguments, why don’t we address those?
Why does he think that God would give that capacity to Mary instead of letting Jesus be the one who listens the prayers? Also, people do worship Mary in some areas like the Caribe, and that is idolatry.
@@asdfasdff747 I would say that Mary was the perfect disciple, and in order to better fulfill her mission as mother to the Church God has allowed greater than normal capabilities, since He delights in delegating to His friends this is fitting.
the idea that God “could allow it” is 100% true God could allow anything. but if it doesn’t line up with scripture then it’s not biblical. Scripture specifically says Jesus is the ONLY mediator between man and christ. We are all Jesus’a disciples. there is no partiality among his followers. Yes he had 12 followers who specifically walked with him and that’s an amazing thing but they are men just like us. Jesus is the only one who gets the praise 🙌🏼🤍
God Bless the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
May God have mercy on your souls
Not sure He blesses paganism.
@@sammygomes7381 How are we pagans?
@@Irish_confederate We could start with the worshipping of Mary or move straight to thinking man can turn bread into the body of Christ or that we are to drink blood which God forbid.
@@sammygomes7381 We don't worship Mary we pray to her for her to intercede on our behalf with Jesus, we do this because she had a strong relationship with Jesus since she was his mother.
As for transubstantiation this is derived from the verses: Matthew 26:26-28, so it does have biblical backing.
God made it clear in the Old Testament that he will not tolerate idolatry and Paul spoke at length of it in Romans. We have the perfect high priest and intercessor in Christ.
What is idolatry ?😊
The full interview was great
Great talk and Trents ability to explain the Catholic doctrine is very good. Respect to Allie for having him on.
To get a better understanding of Mary’s role, I recommend two books. (And don’t worry they obviously use Scripture and historical sources).
1) “Behold Your Mother” by Tim Staples
2) “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary” by Dr Brant Pitre
I would rather follow the word of God which tells me Mary was not immaculate, not a perpetual virgin, was not assumed, nor the queen of heaven, and certainly not the mother of God.
@@sammygomes7381”the word of God which tells me…” it literally does not say any of those things. You are assuming those things and therefore defying your own “sola Scriptura” ideology.
@@TheJewishCatholic All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God so we know Mary was not immaculate. If Mary was immaculate she could have went to the cross.
Jesus told us John the Baptist was greater than Mary yet he was not worthy to tie Christ's sandals.
Matthew tells us Joseph and Mary had sex and Matthew, Joen, Luke, Mark and Paul, in about 7 different books and maybe two dozen verses mention the siblings of Christ.
There is not one word of Mary being assumed and the word tells us we will rise when Christ returns.
Nowhere does the Word tells us Mary is a queen nor that heaven has a queen and lastly John tells us of the beginning and there is no Mary, God does not have a mother
@@sammygomes7381Maybe listen more Sammy
Protestants protest when we honor Mary and the saints the way they do their pastors and their wife.
you worship her unless the following person is not Mary as no such person described is in the word of God.
Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:
In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
@@sammygomes7381
Consider these things:
How does scripture/ Christ define worship, vs what we might feel it is.
Compare how Christ or His apostles define death, vs what our conception of death has been before.
Recall also that, bc a thing isn't scriptural doesn't mean it's not historical or never happened. ( Eg bicycles, smartphone, engines).
I think what differentiates Christianity with other Abrahamic religions is that Christianity faithfully testifies and prophesizes of a Union between God and man.
She believes that God became man, that man may become gods so to speak. (John 10:34-35, Psm 82:6).
Other A religions might believe that man has no right to make these claims and should be content with just an exchange of gifts (riches, eternal life for obedience) btw God and man, rather than a union of God and man.
But in Christianity, this bond is real. Not because we believe we deserve it. For you see love doesn't work on deserve.
Love is its own reason and needs no further justification. God is love, (1John 4:16).
Indeed, it's usually tempting to think eg the pristine rich prince is naive to espouse the underserving woman with a "dirty past".
Or a ghetto street kid doesn't deserve adoption by this loving parents.
This bond btwn God and man that "similarizes" but far exceeds marriage or/& adoption, is indeed underserving but true. (Rev 19:6-9, Rom 8:15, Eph 1:5).
He the beloved calls, washes, cleanses, sanctifies and preserves. He's our Savior.
Like you have quoted, in one of those lines , Mary's life and graces she's been given testifies to this love and also to what WE ALL "anticipate" by faith , ie to what the Lord Jesus is already working in us all His children.
Why should it bother us then that she's received a crown?. Wouldn't we all? (2Tim 4, Isaiah 62:3 1Pet 5:4).
Many Pentecostals say 1Tim 2:5. Shows that Jesus alone is worthy to receive prayers and that we don't need Mary, the angels and saints.
But though the Lord Jesus alone is capable of receiving, who of us alone is able to Give!!! Him all the prayers He can receive.? Not me, u, not a billion more Marys and saints.
No one can exhaust His inexhaustible Divine Mercy.
If we don't see this, then maybe we've made Christ too small in our eyes.
Or maybe it's not just that we fear for God's grandeur being threatened by asking Mary and the saints to join us in prayer to the Father, ( in Jesus name).
Maybe it's just, there's pride in us , ie "who is Mary or the saints that I should ask their prayers."
When the Psalmist says "Lord I am a servant of Your servant my mother", is he humbling himself or belittling God? (Psm 116:16).
That Mary was preserved from sin isn't impossible, for of her flesh came her Son and Lord, Who was to be spotless. So as the covenant box was purified as though not taken from acacia wood, gold etc, so too was she preserved by grace for the task that will be assigned to her.
If there's one who should be envious of this, it should be the devil not us. Why should we be bothered that in Mary and the saints, we have many mothers, brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus?.
Can a good son envy the love between his bride and mom?.
If u desire I can quote some of the ways we come to know that Mary is the new Ark of the covenant and her Son, the Word/God.
May perfect love drive away fear (1John 4:18).
Dearest Ms Stuckey, tomorrow is Mothers’ Day in our country. I am a Catholic catechist. I love that we celebrate it in May, because May is one of the months that the universal Church honours Mary. I’m a mother of grown children. My own dearest mother is 90 years old. I’ve seen a number of your shows and they’re very insightful and sincere. I understand that Mother Mary is a stumbling block for you. I know that you’re a mother. Do you fully understand that Mary was Jesus’s mother in every sense of the word? Do you understand that he really loved his mom? Do you think he is hurt that people regard his mother so poorly, yourself included my dear, perhaps unintentionally . I know that protestants will hallow other incredible women in the Bible: Hannah, Esther, Ruth to name a few, but avoid mention of Mary. I honestly think that is the case, because Catholics honour Mary. The Angel Gabriel took the lead by calling her the blessed among women. Who are we to say it isn’t so? Jesus was dying and He made sure that his mother would be cared for. I don’t know about you, but I need the perfect of all mothers to be on my side and I know she is! I ask her to pray for me in my womanhood, but especially in my motherhood. God trusted her with his very own son and He gave her to us before he died. You are missing out on so much. You know how wonderful it is to have the same mother as Jesus and he knows I need her love and care daily and she does this because she knows her son listens to her - John 2. This is the truth my dear. Be blessed and peace be with you.
Mam this was beautiful and soo true! Today is her feast day!! Sending a hug to you!!! Such wise words that many may grow to love her more.
Allie asked valid questions and made good points. Trent’s response gave no reason to venerate Mary as Catholics do. Worshiping Mary is simply idolatry.
@@scan44tube how many different ways must we still explain that we do not worship Mary. The truth is that you need to believe this to validate your own beliefs and negate the beliefs of the Catholic Church - plain and simple. Nothing else will satisfy you. I really do wish you knew how much you miss out by despising our Mother - really sad. You love your own mother I’m assuming and very likely ask for her intercessory prayers. But words and time are wasted. Be at peace.
@marydantu1102
That was the most Beautiful and CLEAR explanation ever. Its exactly what the Catholic apologists need to say over and over and over again. Especially, where you say protestants revere so many women of the Bible and Not The Mother Of Christ. 😮
Mary will always be my mother and someone I will always strive to become but will fall way short because she is the example of woman and mother. PERIOD. Thank you for your beautiful words.💕✝️
@@marydantu1102I can’t help but think you sandwich your comments with seemingly backhanded blessings and then tell people that they despise Mary. Is there a reason you are doing that?
Maybe I can help you understand the Protestant objection to the Catholic view of Mary. It is a very significant doctrine taught throughout scripture that there is no man or woman without sin. It is also commanded that we do not try to communicate to the dead or practice any kind of dark magic in order to conjure up spirits.
We agree that Mary was probably a wonderful mother, beloved by Jesus and we should honor her as the other saints, merely for their devotion to God even faced with major opposition.
Where we cannot agree is that Mary was the exception to scriptures teaching on man’s sin. That she was sinless because Jesus was physically birthed from her.
You view that Mary being a sinner would make Jesus be carried through a tarnished vessel. But that is precisely the point of the lineage from which Jesus came from. Prostitutes, murderers, and all the like are the direct ancestors of Jesus. He has not only completely redeemed His bloodline, but even all of mankind, whoever would put their faith in Him.
We do not dishonor Mary by holding to these beliefs. Even if the Catholic doctrine of her perfect nature was somehow correct, it would not be dishonorable to her.
Salve Maria!❤
Salve Cristo Jesus!❤️
There is nothing scriptural about praying to Mary or the saints. You pray to God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit only!
Christ be with you
That not true, there just is no direct reference to it,
Catholics are not Sola scriptura.
Catholics follow Christ, he is our God.
Come to Christ and lIve
Where did he say Mary is omnipotent?
Just wait until you learn who determined what is scripture and what is not
In the interview he specifically says Mary is not omnipotent or omniscient.
Do you ever pray for your friends or family?
No where in the Bible does it say to pray directly to Jesus for his forgiveness yet we do it? Why? Once you understand the incompetency of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, you understand God’s true Church. Former Reformed Baptist now Catholic
Where do they get this from? I'm seriously asking? What makes Catholics believe this?
Some Pope came up with it many centuries ago.
😂
Traditon of the church Jesus started and gave the power to bind and loose
Sin is what makes them believe this
@@arthur_tttt
Christ be with you
Thats just a nonsense statement.
Mary in every way points us to Christ.
Its false doctrines like faith alone that point people away from him
Come to Christ and Live
The Mary discussion took up probably 25-30 minutes of that podcast. To clip just this one minute wherein Trent directly addressed your one objection here and hadn’t yet expanded upon it with Bible quotations and historical precedent seems (I truly don’t think this was intentional) dishonest.
Absolutely
❤John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
I grew up Catholic and was raised by 2 wonderful God loving parents who lived out many wonderful works of service for God’s Kingdom! They sacrificed for me to attend 12 years of Catholic School! I leaned to pray the rosary when I was little and many other prayers. I no longer pray to Mary, because I have not come across any scripture that God command His children to pray to Mother Mary. I pray from the Spirit (as His scripture tells us to) & not memorized prayers….except the Our Father. I have since changed to a nondenominational Bible based Church. I start & end my days reading God’s Word. God knows what is in each one of our hearts! He wants all people saved and have a personal relationships with the Holy Trinity!
😇We are all one body…united in Jesus Christ! ❤✝️☮️
Are we all one body if we follow pagan rituals?
Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the father except through me, I believe that’s says it all, Jesus died on the cross, not his mother or the saints
What does Jesus being the only mediator of salvation to God the Father, have to do with Mary or the saints? Who said Jesus wasn't the only way to the Father?
This is interesting. First off, the idea is to ask whether we could ask anyone alive right now to pray for us. The answer to this, of course, is yes. The next question is whether or not those who have left the mortal plane of existence are still alive. For the Christian, the answer here is even more emphatic: YES THEY ARE. The Christian believes that those in Heaven are even more alive than those of us still on earth. And so there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with asking for the intercession of those we know are in Heaven.
And finally, no Catholic believes that any creature, Saint or Angel, can control or override GOD. What we are doing is simply trying to use channels that HE himself has given us to enhance the perfection of our prayers.
Sometimes the answer to our prayers is that for which we had hoped and desired. But sometimes it is the grace to accept what we need and to keep loving and trusting GOD until we see HIM face to face.
You cannot interchange a Christian for a Catholic. Christians know that those that have died are in their graves until Christ returns. The spirit has returned to God but not the body.
@@sammygomes7381 The very idea that Catholics are NOT Christians is wrong. All that is required to be a Christian is the belief that Jesus Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY come in the flesh and at the very least the desire to follow his teachings with the help of GOD’S GRACE. The rest are details that no human is able to judge. Only GOD HIMSELF will judge whose faith and whose works served HIM best.
@@chidioko When did Christ pray to anyone other than the Father? When did Christ or the apostles say mass? When did Christ give us a pope and priests in a leadership position? Where did Christ give us the following idol whose prayers can deliver our souls from death?
Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:
In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
@@sammygomes7381 Are you a Christian looking to understand what Catholics believe or are you looking for a debate?
I love being a Catholic ❤❤❤🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
There is NO Biblical foundation for that theory... Yes, God is all powerful, but nothing in the Bible even implies that God grants humans in heaven any extra-human capacity.
Why would the Bible address what capabilities we could have in heaven?
He grants us the fullness of our abilities. "For then we shall know even as we are known."
What about Pentacost which is in the Bible? Where the Holy Spirit came down on the Apostles were granted the ability to speak to many people with different native languages and to heal others. I would say that is a basis for God giving extra-human capacity. The Bible does not contain everything Jesus Christ ever did which is stated in John. Furthermore, do you believe God just quit doing miraculous things including allowing his followers to have extra-human abilities on Earth or Heaven? There have been many historical accounts of the Saints visiting people after they had died and of the Theotokos protecting cities.
1 Corinthians 15:49 After bearing the image of the earthly one, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly one..
@aclark903 but does that mean we pray TO them? Or are talking to them ? I don't understand this
It blows my mind when on one hand as Christians we believe that anything is possible with God and then on the other hand question Gods ability to extend his powers to others like Mary. Who was worthy to carry our literal God , Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in her body, raise him and then suffer his brutal murder but not be able to hear our prayers and carry them to our Lord. Just mind blowing to me the lack of understanding this.
Thats because the Catholic church made her into a goddess and idol calling her immaculate, perpetual virgin, assumed, queen of heaven, and mother of God who millions pray to.
Catholics who are true Christians must confront the idolatry of Mary, saints, and angels in the Catholic Church. Only Jesus is Lord! Jesus taught us to pray only to our Father in Heaven. May all idolatry and false worship be destroyed in the Church in Jesus’s name!
I'm curious to understand your reference to idolatry and false worship. I'm Catholic and wish to have a meaningful understanding of your analogy. Thanks
Catholics do not worship Mary. Where did you get that idea?
@@DavidLTJ Sure, my friend. In Exodus 20:3-5, God tells us: “You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
The New Testament tells us that Jesus is Lord and that God is three in one: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Acts 4:12 tells us that man can only be saved by the name of Jesus: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” In Matthew 6:9, Jesus teaches us how to pray saying "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name."
When Catholics pray to Mary, who was indeed a very blessed and holy woman, but fell short of the glory of God just like all of humanity (Romans 3:23), they elevate her to the same status as God. Mary and the saints, though honorable believers, are not comparable to God in the slightest. We are never instructed once in the Bible to pray to Mary or to any saint.
Only Jesus died for the sake of the world. He is the only begotten Son of the Father. He alone is the Messiah. In John 14:6, it says: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Therefore, the Catholic ideology that praying to Mary, the saints, or angels can help your prayer to be answered by God is completely blasphemous. God has called us to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus, who is our only mediator between us and Him (1 Timothy 2:5).
Similarly, when Catholics worship or pray to angels, they disobey God's command to only worship and pray to Him. In fact, we see this mistake made by people multiple times in the Bible and angels of God repeatedly must tell people to stop worshiping them. Even John makes this mistake in Revelation 22:8-9, Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
Thus, there are traditions such as the images of Mary, prayer to Mary, prayer to angels and saints, holidays and celebrations to worship saints, etc. in the Catholic and Orthodox churches that must be confronted as being contrary to the Word of God because they are idolatrous. I say this as someone who comes from that cultural background but who loves Jesus too much to repeat the mistakes of my ancestors. That's not to say there are not many positives in these churches as well, but I believe God wants to purify us all, both Catholics and Protestants. Those who truly love Jesus will not run away from the truth, but seek it out and expose the lies for what they are so the Church can stand before the Lord without spot or wrinkle, holy and without blemish.
@@DavidLTJ Sure, my friend. In Exodus 20:3-5, God tells us: “You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
The New Testament tells us that Jesus is Lord and that God is three in one: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Acts 4:12 tells us that man can only be saved by the name of Jesus: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” In Matthew 6:9, Jesus teaches us how to pray saying "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name."
When Catholics pray to Mary, who was indeed a very blessed and holy woman, but fell short of the glory of God just like all of humanity (Romans 3:23), they elevate her to the same status as God. Mary and the saints, though honorable believers, are not comparable to God in the slightest. We are never instructed once in the Bible to pray to Mary or to any saint.
Only Jesus died for the sake of the world. He is the only begotten Son of the Father. He alone is the Messiah. In John 14:6, it says: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Therefore, the Catholic ideology that praying to Mary, the saints, or angels can help your prayer to be answered by God is completely blasphemous. God has called us to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus, who is our only mediator between us and Him (1 Timothy 2:5).
Similarly, when Catholics worship or pray to angels, they disobey God's command to only worship and pray to Him. In fact, we see this mistake made by people multiple times in the Bible and angels of God repeatedly must tell people to stop worshiping them. Even John makes this mistake in Revelation 22:8-9, Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
Thus, there are traditions such as the images of Mary, prayer to Mary, prayer to angels and saints, holidays and celebrations to worship saints, etc. in the Catholic and Orthodox churches that must be confronted as being contrary to the Word of God because they are idolatrous. I say this as someone who comes from that cultural background but who loves Jesus too much to repeat the mistakes of my ancestors. That's not to say there are not many positives in these churches as well, but I believe God wants to purify us all, both Catholics and Protestants. Those who truly love Jesus will not run away from the truth, but seek it out and expose the lies for what they are so the Church can stand before the Lord, holy and without blemish.
@@DavidLTJ Sure, my friend. In Exodus 20:3-5, God tells us: “You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
The New Testament tells us that Jesus is Lord and that God is three in one: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Acts 4:12 tells us that man can only be saved by the name of Jesus: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” In Matthew 6:9, Jesus teaches us how to pray saying "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name."
When Catholics pray to Mary, who was indeed a very blessed and holy woman, but fell short of the glory of God just like all of humanity (Romans 3:23), they elevate her to the same status as God. Mary and the saints, though honorable believers, are not comparable to God in the slightest. We are never instructed once in the Bible to pray to Mary or to any saint.
Thank you Allie for including Trent's response and showing his part of the argument as well.
We dont worship mary or the saints. They can do nothing apart from god. Here’s one for you guys…..
Rev 5 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints
So how do the saints get the prayers to offer up to god? Does god get the prayers from his people, give them to the saints in heaven, and then the saints offer those prayers to god? Or do the prayers of the world go to the saints and angels in heaven like catholics do, and then they offer them up to god as bowls of incense?
Sorry but the former scenario makes total sense. Is in line with all early christian churches including the eastern orthodox, assyrian church of the east, Ethiopian, and coptic christians. All predate the reformation by at least 500 years. Luther had no problem praying to the saints and mary. No protestant can make sense of rev 5:8 without understanding intercession. Even christ called on Elijah…. Intercession is biblical guys!
When those born-again on earth pray their prayers go to heaven as incense.
@@sammygomes7381 yep and the saints are the ones who deliver them to god. Its so obvious
It’s always my favorite when non Catholics or orthodox tell us what it is we believe and not listen when we tell them. Even though they are the new kids on the block and have the new theology.
You’re religion was made up by Luther in 1517 bud, you shouldn’t even speak
None of this is in the Bible. They WILL NOT listen.
Spot on
Which Bible?
Roman Catholic mumbo jumbo Vatican Fantasia the killed the first person to translate the Bible to be read by all people. The Jesuits raped killed and stole gold from the first nations of the America's.
John 14:12
@aclark903 that's what's embarrassing about you catholics. You have been forced to take other works into consideration to support your heresy. No different than Muslims and the hadith
The blessed Virgin was given power by God ( power of healing , bestowing graces ) because she has always been so humble and obedient to God . As saint Paul says " I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."Galatians 2:20
Mary is the only person an angel has greeted with a Royal greeting:”Hail Mary, full of grace!” Even Gabriel, God’s messenger, recognizes her as the most important woman to exist.
The angel did not greet her that way, Mary was "favored with grace" I can give you the link to the Greek bible if you need it.
Jerome translated it from the Latin rather than the Greek.
The first Christian, The new Eve, The New Ark of the new covenant, Our Blessed Mother Mary is the only creature that when praying to God could say “Our son.” Just beautiful!
Trent here is improvising! Building a false citadel to support his false doctrine. He cannot point to scripture so invents an emotional appeal to justify the praying to Mary in contradiction to the Bible say "There is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, Christ Jesus"! Jesus who taught is to pray to God. Never to his earthly Mother. God bless her name. But she is NOT a Godlike figure. Not a fourth person added to the Trinity.
When you are filled with grace which was infused in her by the Holy Spirit... nothing is impossible with God ... if Mary was specifically chosen... God can give her all the virtues He desires her to have.
I remember when I was a Catholic and I prayed to Mary for the first time. After I was finished praying, something about it didn’t feel right. I never prayed to her again. And now I’m a conservative Christian that considers myself nondenominational
Christ be with you
Sad that you left the truth for a lie.
Come to Christ and Live
And now how do you decide which interpretation on things like, say, baptism, to be correct?
@@MrKev1664 Mary can blow me
"it didn't feel right." Amazing argument
@@DoctorDewgong here’s another one. Why do I need to pray to people who are dead? I pray to Jesus Christ alone
It's not everyone who witnesses the supernatural that's speaks directly to them revealing the mysteries of Our Creator however;
We are all given the knowledge of Creation and such mysteries.
It requires believing with Faith!
All things are possible with GOD
You can't make up false doctrine and try to use "all things are possible with God" as a way to justify it. God has simply never directed us to pray to Mary or anyone except HIM.
Matthew 6:9-13 In this manner, therefore, pray:
OUR FATHER in heaven
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
Of course
@@LoveB-fr4duIn the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are presented to God by an angel, who then presents them to the Lord (Revelation 8:3-4).
The Bible also tells us that the prayers of the righteous are heard by God, even in heaven (Proverbs 15:29).
In the book of Hebrews, we are encouraged to come boldly to the throne of God, where we can find mercy and grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
The Bible also speaks about the prayers of the saints being recorded in the book of life (Revelation 13:8).
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are a source of strength and comfort for those who are suffering (Revelation 6:9-11).
@@LoveB-fr4duyou’re mistaking prayer for worship. Protestants do this ALL, THE, TIME…
except God would not lie.
All the anti-Marian comment pain me. As I believe the pain Jesus too but in his grace He know why He allows everything.
Ex-Protestant here and was a anti-Marian, anti- Rosary Protestant. I couldn’t stand the rosary in it was being recited or heard Catholics say it. But I had the Grace by the Mercy of Our Lord to show me His mother. Do I understand everything the Church teaches about Mary? No but I believe it. Just as I didn’t understood The Trinity but I believed it. I also under stand where my Protestant brothers and sisters are coming from but I pray that God gives y’all the grace to also know His mother. I’ve gotten to love Our Lord more through her and can’t really explain it.. you will have to live it your self if the Lord ever calls you to it. It a scary journey but in the end the Lord has made it clear to me that devotion to His mother doesn’t take away from Him , it pleases Him. I pray brother and sister that you one day have the grace from Our Lord to know His mother.
Oh and I pray and perceive Allie will become Catholic and love Our Lady. 🙏
Should have followed Christ and become a Christian.
Im not catholic but I’d answer her question by saying “the same way Jesus was able to give Peter the ability to walk on water, the disciples to heal the sick and raise the dead”
if you watched it, she was asking why the Catholics worship Mary?
@@AkSonya1010easy answer. We don't. Protestants just don't understand what worship actually is
@@gamingterrain3703I was raised Catholic, they most definitely worship & glorify Mary. I wasn’t taught to read let alone understand the Bible. Thankfully I was sent to a Christian summer camp & I learned who Jesus was & how to have a personal relationship instead for myself. Instead of everything I had to do to go through a priest to receive my forgiveness.
@AkSonya1010 again. You don't understand what worship actually is. Merely honoring the blessed mother through prayer isn't worship. Thats a modern watering down of the whole concept of worship. True worship is sacrifice. Thats found in the sacrifice of the mass where the one sacrifice of Christ is re-presented to the Father. We dont make any offerings or sacrifices to Mary so we don't worship her. Again making a request of her to pray for us is not worship. Christians for 1500+ years understood this. Its only now thats seen as worship because the liturgy is no longer a thing for modern Christian sects.
Jesus didn't "give them power" to do those things. They did them by faith.
“For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.”
Ecclesiastes 9:5 NKJV
Allie Beth, Mary is called the bride of the the Holy Spirit bc it was the HS who came upon her and she was conceived. God gave her a lot of graces that are not mentioned in the gospels bc the gospels is not about Mary, it’s about the story of salvation, the good news, it’s about Christ. The mere fact that Mary had the humble authority to make her Son do a miracle at the wedding of Cana when His time had not come yet, is a huge indication that she has a lot of power and authority with God. And I believe the reason the gospels don’t talk much about her has also to do with her extreme meekness. She is totally selfless and only does the will of God. “I’m the handmade of the Lord, be it done unto me according to thy word.”
Noting you said justifies venerating her the way Catholics do.
Beautiful answer! ❤ Mary is also the New Eve and the New Ark of the Covenant, spoken of throughout the bible from Genesis to Revelation. These understandings and ideas about her were spoken of and written about even in OT judaism, and also from the 2nd century of christianity on! 😊❤️ For biblical references and teachings about this, look up Dr Brant Pitre on UA-cam, his Lectio series on Mary as the New Ark and the New Eve. It is super fascinating!! 😊
@@jessicaaguilera4526nothing seems to change Allie Beth’s mind. It’s a good thing to be staunch in your faith which she is, but she has shut down her mind to reason and has decided to refuse anything said about Catholicism and about Mary. That’s not being a staunch Calvinist, that’s being ignorant and childish.
@@margokupelian344 I dont know- she seemed really into what Trent Horn was saying and she seemed genuinely enthused to have him back in the future. And last year after her debate with Candace Owen’s husband (who is a strong catholic) she exclaimed to him - and I qoute- “you’re brilliant!” With a huge smile on her face. And he didnt say anything extraordinary about the faith. He literally just hashed out the basic teachings of the Church. So… maybe? It seems there is hope that she is softening to it. We can continue to pray for her conversion, but I totally respect her zeal for her faith. 😊❤️
Something protestants forget is that the miraculous and mystical gifts of the holy spirit in the early church continues throughput history. In the bible paul and peter had visions and God appearing to them and telling them things. The catholic church has continued to receive this communication from God, we have had visions of God, God and mary appearing to saints together, angels appearing to saints and requesting and giving instructions for prayers etc. Michael the archangel has appeared to us and given us prayers. Even Jesus appeared to a holy woman in the church, a catholic mystic and nun and gave her the prayer for divine mercy to give to people, it was an instruction for how to pray.
Unless protestants believe all of these visions and visitations are actually satan in disguise deceiving the church for 2 thousand years and jesus just allowed it to happen. Which i don't believe especially because the church judges each vision to see if what the vision is giving or teaching us does not contradict the bible and church teaching.
Not sure what protestants believe, but Christians believe one has to be born-again to receive Christ, not eat Him.
Mary is in a grave and has made no appearances. Either the Catholic church is lying, or demons are putting on a good show because they have millions praying to Mary more then the Father. Didn't work out well for those that prayed to a golden calf, Mary is no different.
Of course the Catholic church has not been deceived for 2000 years as it is only 1500-1600 years old.
I’m not Catholic but I totally get what he is saying here - God can allow His children to do anything - think of all the healings/supernatural things His followers have done in the Bible through the power of God! Allie trying to use her logic to explain why Mary can do what she does but not use that same logic to try to explain miracles in the Bible does not seem fair to me.
Healings and miracles are biblical. Mary having God-like qualities and abilities is not.
@@KKruse-jb4cu
Christ be with you
But the Elders in heaven bring God our prayers is.
Come to Christ and Live
Those miracles were done by believers who were alive not when they died, believers are still performing miracles through Jesus, it is rare in Catholic church because you have replaced the holy spirit who is supposed to be our helper with mary.
@@adjoa-anima
Christ be with you
No that just made up
The Catholic Church has not replaced d the Holy Spirit with Mary.
There are far more miracles seem in the Catholic Church are tested so we know they are not performed by charlatans.
Come to Christ and Live
@@MrKev1664 Mary making house calls in demonic.
As Christians, we are all on the same team & in my humble opinion, our differences aside, we should focus more on what unites us than what divides us.
Where in the Bible does it say that Mary (with all the respect she deserves) has any power than we have ?
Christ be with you
It doesn't.
Catholics are not Sola scriptura.
We follow Christ.
Come to Christ and lIve
@@MrKev1664 translation: catholics reject the word of God
@@arthur_tttt???
@@arthur_ttttwhere does the bible say we are to inly follow what is explicitly written in scripture? We are to follow the Word of God but that doesn't mean scripture alone. Protestants have watered down the Word of God to only mean scripture but that in and of itself is unbiblical
@@gamingterrain3703 Not sure what Protestants do but Christians follow the teachings of Christ, the word of God, unless you have another written word of God the bible is all we have.
One aspect of Catholicism and our belief in Mary as a mediator come from sacred tradition (Trent mentioned Early Christians asking for the Prayers of the Apostles and Virgin Mary). In addition to this, we use the Biblical and historical context of King Solomon and His mother, Bathsheba. Jesus is king of heaven, and accordingly Mary is the queen mother queen of heaven.
Just give book, chapter and verse, that's all.
That's assuming that Sola Scriptura is true when in fact its a false doctrine. Where does it say in the Bible that everything must be found in the Bible? No, the Bible actually says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It also says that we should hold fast to the traditions we were taught, be it by word or by letter. The end of John clearly says that not everything Jesus did was written down. The first Christians didn't have Bibles, they had the Apostles and Sacred Tradition. The Bible as we know it didn't come into existence until the 300s AD.
@@Kyrieeleison70x7 they did have most of the Bible called the O.T.
Many letters were written after Jesus Ascended. But the ones in theN.T. were regarded as scripture from their beginning of being passed around & sent to other churches.
@Kyrieeleison70x7 sola scriptura doesn't meant that everything must be found in the Bible. Sola scriptura means that scripture is the only infallible rule and authority. Other authorities are usefull. But fallible. Only scripture is infallible.
Therefore if scripture doesn't say it. And fallible men such as catholics made it up, we can discard it.
There’s tons of them, it’s not in ONE single book, chapter, and verse. Plus not everything is in the Bible, like the word Trinity.
“Scripture Alone” or “The Bible is the ultimate authority” is disproved by the Bible itself, like in 2 Thessalonians. The Church came before The Bible, remember that …
Jesus said, be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect so God perfects saints in heaven so they are actually similar to God. Saints can hear millions of prayers not only because of their holiness but also because they are beyond time and space because of their unity with God.
The problem here is that you’re all outside the authority deigned by God for his church. You now disbelieve what the church has believed and think yourselves better for it. You don’t get to pick and choose what the successors loose or bind.
Your speaking of the Keys to heaven, the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The saints in heaven are like angels as the bible says, jesus says they become like angels. They can hear us and see us and even if they couldn't they are holy and loving just like God so i gaurentee you they are praying for us because they love us just like god does.
Allie beth is pretty arrogant when she talks about the catholic faith. She knows what she has been taught to believe about catholics but she doesnt know the true teachings or beliefs of catholics. She may think she does or she may say she does but she is just offering catholic hate talking points without actually concerning herself with the truth. The church Jesus left behind when he went to heaven was the catholic church, not some random protestant church that was made up by some person that didnt like the theology of some other protestant church they were at. And honoring mary isnt a requirement to be catholic. Protestants dont realize that
I'm hearing someone else who is pretty arrogant. How can you say that she has no interest in the truth? She's clearly trying to be reasonable, unlike some who spout garbage and can't defend it when they're called out on it.
The catholic church preaches idolatry.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
Actually, one has to believe Mary was immaculate in the Catholic church.
Trent is embarrassed by the question because he can't answer it. He just makes stuff up as he goes.
Doubt he's making up stuff that has been around for 2000 years
The Creator is complete. He needs no help from the created . Any prayers directed not to our heavenly Father miss the mark no matter how much you love that departed one . Jesus tells us how to pray and shows us in His perfect Word. Not one time did He tell us to pray to those who have gone before us. That would be Necromancy and we are not to participate in it.
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are presented to God by an angel, who then presents them to the Lord (Revelation 8:3-4).
The Bible also tells us that the prayers of the righteous are heard by God, even in heaven (Proverbs 15:29).
In the book of Hebrews, we are encouraged to come boldly to the throne of God, where we can find mercy and grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
The Bible also speaks about the prayers of the saints being recorded in the book of life (Revelation 13:8).
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are a source of strength and comfort for those who are suffering (Revelation 6:9-11).Our love for people deepens by praying for them. It is through prayer that the Lord will develop a burden and a care for those we are praying for. Who are you burdened for? Who are you praying for? This is one of the many ways the Holy Spirit produces more love in our hearts for one another.
Stop acting like God wants us to never pray for each other and that we die when our bodies do
People use the "With God All Things Are Possible " scripture to try and create a loophole for their unbiblical beliefs
"And call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver thee and thou shalt glorify Me." Psalm 50:15
Not "call upon Mary in the day of trouble, and she will deliver thee"
This brought a smile to my face. A lot of what is taught in the cm Catholic Church and a lot of Protestant Churches (non-catholics) is based on people's imagination. Just teach the scripture!
Don't make stuff up, cause it sounds nice and is comforting, just teach the Word. Use the word to interpret the Word.
The Pope or your pastor has NO SECRET KNOWLEDGE, NO SPECIAL CONNECTION TO GOD. We are saved by the same Grace, possess the same Hoy Spirit and worship the same Yahweh. The same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.
It’s the same as asking a friend to pray for you…
He didn't answer the question because he can't, because he knows that idea is man made.
Communion of Saints and that those in heaven have expanded capacity has been the traditional belief of the earliest Christians. Heaven is also eternal in nature. Time doesn't run like it does here on earth because God is outside of time.
Sorry, that is not the meaning of communion of saints.
@sammygomes7381 I don't need a protestant to tell me that, sorry. Jesus is God of the living, not the dead.
@@livingweaponnightmare Good thing I am not a protestant, I am Christian.
1 Thes 4:16 "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."
@sammygomes7381 if you're not Catholic/Orthodox you're a protestant.
The rapture is 1850s theology, never taught prior. However it was ALWAYS understood that there would be a resurrection, which that passage refers to. Even the parable with the rich man and Lazarus, prior to the sacrifice of the cross, Jesus alludes to the dead being conscious and aware of events on earth. Then the book of Revelation refers to saints IN HEAVEN praying to God and inquiring when He will avenge them for injustices did to them on EARTH. Stop playing games with the Bible and Church history.
When I talk to a Catholic abour their repeating the "Hail Mary" over and over when praying the Rosary, they are not only praying to her, but also worshipping her. Jesus is the only mediator between us and God.
Were Gabriel and Elizabeth also worshipping Mary when they recited the Hail Mary?
This is simply false. There is ZERO worship happening. We ask her (and the saints) for intercession, just like you’d ask your buddy for intercession. It’s really that simple. This is different than mediation.
@@billmartin3561I don’t ask dead people to pray for me - that’s called necromancy.
They don't care. They will not listen to what the Bible says. Their final authority is the Catholic Church. Not the Bible.
@@michaelogrady232Mary is dead my friend. She’s asleep until Jesus returns just like every child of God who dies.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Professor Stephan Shoemaker, an expert on ancient Christianity, explains that prayer to the Virgin Mary didnt begin until long after Apostles. The idea doesnt come from Christ or His Apostles. There is no commandment or example in Scripture to invoke the Virgin Mary in prayer, so you cannot pray to her because prayer must be made in faith, and whatever is apart from faith is sin. God can do anything but He cannot lie, He has spoken In His written Word that only God Himself knows the hearts of men, which includes the Lord Jesus, so accoeding to Scripture only God knows our private thoughts, not christians in Heaven. So it is impossible for God to lie, so He cannot give the ability to hear silent prayer to those who are not God.
Translation: "We made that part up" 😅🤣🤣
They cut our Trent Strongest response lol I guess it didn’t fit the narrative they wanted to paint
Exactly----they follow man. Extra deep crud.
@@kittycat8222 y’all just don’t know any better.
@@vman9347 I know about the Torah, the Tetragrammaton and God’s real name Yahuah. Jesus’s name is Yahusha. I know the Catholics are the Roman Empire persevering. Adding man made Roman doctrine to scripture is wrong.
@@kittycat8222 that’s stupid. Everything is man made.
I dare you to make a formal debate with Trent.
You're not giving him enough time to answer your questions. What you're doing is you're interrupting him when he tries to answer your questions.
This has been to say the least frustrating. In humility as The Lord Jesus through the Holy Spirit drew me and I received Him as my Savior at 33 I left the RC church to find a Bible strictly Bible teaching church. I know it is the Holy Spirit that draws people and when He does you respond. You see with new eyes and want to know & reD the Bible. What Catholics get is the Bible + church dogma church precepts. These are not found in the Bible at all e.g. praying to saints saying the Rosary, Mary Queen of Heaven, purgatory. It does state Deuteronomy 4: Exodus 20 InThe Lird am a jealous God- don’t now down or worship another. 1Timothy 2:5 there is ONE one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ.
It is as clear as the nose on their faces. Only the Bible should be referenced. It matters what God says.
Amen! “In humility” stood out to me in your testimony. Father, please help us to humble ourselves and seek your face. May the Holy Spirit guide us closer to you in Jesus’s name.
Every single Catholic teaching comes from the Bible
Luke 1:38 - Mary’s response to the angel Gabriel’s announcement of her pregnancy: “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” This verse shows Mary’s willingness to submit to God’s will and her role in the plan of salvation.
John 2:3-4 - Mary’s request to Jesus at the wedding in Cana: “When the wine ran out, Jesus’ mother said to him, ‘They have no wine.’ And Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, why do you involve me? My hour has not yet come.’” This verse shows Mary’s concern for others and her ability to approach Jesus with confidence.
Revelation 12:1-6 - The woman clothed with the sun, who is often interpreted as Mary, is described as fleeing to the wilderness to escape the dragon’s persecution. This verse may be seen as a symbol of Mary’s protection and intercession for her children.
1 Timothy 2:1-2 - Paul’s prayer for all people: “I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people-for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.” This verse encourages believers to pray for others and may be seen as an example of Mary’s intercession for her children.
Hebrews 7:25 - Jesus’ intercession for believers: “Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.” This verse shows Jesus’ ongoing intercession for believers, and may be seen as a model for Mary’s intercession as well.
Acts 1:14 - “These all continued with one accord in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.” (NIV)
Luke 1:46-55 - Mary’s Magnificat, a song of praise and prayer, is recorded in this passage. She praises God for His mercy and blessing.
Luke 2:36-38 - Simeon, a devout man, recognizes Mary and Jesus in the temple and prays a blessing over them.
John 2:3-5 - Mary, along with her son Jesus, attends a wedding in Cana and participates in a prayer of petition, asking Jesus to turn water into wine.
John 19:25-27 - As Jesus is crucified, Mary stands near the cross, along with his mother and the disciple Jesus loved. She prays and witnesses her son’s sacrifice.
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are presented to God by an angel, who then presents them to the Lord (Revelation 8:3-4).
The Bible also tells us that the prayers of the righteous are heard by God, even in heaven (Proverbs 15:29).
In the book of Hebrews, we are encouraged to come boldly to the throne of God, where we can find mercy and grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
The Bible also speaks about the prayers of the saints being recorded in the book of life (Revelation 13:8).
In the book of Revelation, we see that the prayers of the saints are a source of strength and comfort for those who are suffering (Revelation 6:9-11).
Amen
2thessalonians 2:15 says to hold fast to traditions whether through word of mouth or letter.
The bible itself is a book written, compiled, and canonized by the Catholic Church. Even still the word of God is not limited only to scripture.
Did you ever ask a priest or any educated Catholic to actually explain Church teachings to you? Or did you leave because you thought that you knew more about Christianity that the actual Christian Church?
God can do anything and he could even give someone on earth the capacity to do those things. Where in scripture does it say that He has given that capacity to the saints and to Mary?
Catholics do worship Mary and they can say they don’t all they want. Not convincing me. (Not all of them worship Mary) but vast majority of them do.
The very prayer, "Hail Mary" is worship! And STILL they deny it. Their word games are so frustrating.
The majority of Christians, both #Orthodox & Catholic, have a higher view of Mary than Protestant evangelicals. Even #Luther himself respected Mary more than many modern Protestants.
@@Yesica1993 Full of grace= Luke 1:28
@@Yesica1993so the Angel who came to Mary was worshipping her. Interesting.
@aclark903 when the people told Jesus his mother must be blessed his literal respons was "nah dog" 🤣🤣🤣
He failed to answer many questions on their Mary worship.
trent is a nice and kind person, but the co-redemptrix theology regarding mary is still heresy.
He’s condescending and snarky. Actually watch a multitude of his videos
Christ saves, but He does it through Mary. No Mary, no incarnation.
Amen
Co redemptrix is not Catholic teaching.
@@billmartin3561what do you mean? It has been taught by many roman Catholics, including multiple popes and St. Alphonsus de Ligouri, a DOCTOR of the roman Catholic Church. His book Glories of Mary has gone through more than 800 editions.
That was one of the most absurd things Trent said in this interview. No evidence, just a fallacious assertion that God expands cognitive abilities when people are glorified.
I mean that assertion is pretty obvious. The bible does say that we will be lile God once we are in heaven. Why would you assume that we're gonna stay exactly the same in heaven as we are now?
@@gamingterrain3703 what’s your evidence form scripture?
Pretty much the whole religion really defeats the purpose of Jesus if they have mary as the middle man in their relationship with God
Exactly.
Christ be with you
May does not come between us and God.
I am not sure protestants now what it means to have a relationship with God.
It seems to be a buzz phrase they through out.
Do you know what it means to beleive in jesus Christ.
Come to Christ and Live
Nope. The Trinity is #1. Literally what Mass is about. Mary, Saints and everything else is below that but still important.
@@MrKev1664 So I can have a relationship with the Father and pray to a golden calf?
@@emma_luce_0623 Yet neither Christ nor the apostles said mass,
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Yep. That's right. The veil is torn. A clear path directly to the Father
He avoided answering like a politician.
This is an extract.from a full dialogue. Sadly, they didn't include the part Trent referenced scripture and the earliest documented evidence from early Christians. Anyway, love and peace to you.
It’s the tradition of christs church. That’s where it comes from
Christ be wth you
he answers every one of her questions with charity
Come to Christ and Live
@@MrKev1664 Politicians answer every question, without answering the question.
@@TD-mg6cd
Christ be with you
he was pretty clear (1 Cor 2:14-15)
What do you think didn't get answered.
I will answer it for you in simpler terms
Come to Christ and Live
As Catholics, we believe that Jesus born and raised in a holy family of a Virgin Mary, and Saint Joseph as the Ángel Gabriel came down with a message from God announcing that she was the chosen one Hail Mary☝️ and from her the savior would be born¡ A sword would pierce our Mother’s soul to reveal the thoughts of many faithless hearts Luke 2:33-35 ¡ Luke dedicated to Mary and baby Jesus’s family! Blessed be our Mother Mary the new Eve who gave her fiat for the savior to come and redeem this wicked world no one as obedient to God as Mary who has God’s favor for eternity ❤ 🕊 🕊 🕊Holy Mother Mary pray for us sinners 🤲 📿
The mental gymnastics of this dude.
It's astonishing.
You clearly didn’t watch the entire interview. Actually Trent Horn is a very respected and well known Catholic apologist and is incredibly intelligent. You should check out his other videos before bashing, very uncharitable and not Christ like at all
@clarastark7149
He isn't bashing. He just pointed out that Trent is really stretching, trying to justify his beliefs about Mary.
I don't know if you meant me, but I did watch the episode.
@@clarastark7149 I know who he is. Im subscribed to his channel because I can learn from everybody and I mantain my initial statement.
@@KKruse-jb4cu exactly. God bless.
She acts like this is a new way of believing but in fact it’s older than her understanding of the truth. Great answer Trent! But if people studied Church history they would see this has been taught by the earliest Christians. They were called Catholics by the way. 😂
It’s because Roman Catholicism takes on many characteristics of Christianity but is just an adapted form of the worship of Semiramis and Tammuz.
No Catholics, no Bible bro.
This!
I believe the Mary worshipped by the RCC is just a modern-day manifestation of Semiramis.
@@aclark903 Protestants didn't/don't use the Catholic Bible. They had access to the original transcripts and directly transcribed the Bible using those Hebrew and Greek writings.
@@carlapierle8623 Modern Protestant translations feminize the text. For example, the RSV has ‘brothers & sisters’ in Hebrews 13:22 when the Greek only has the word for brothers.
Mary Mother was chosen by God before she’s born her parents gave her to church when she was 3yrs old to grow up in Church till she’s 12 yrs old that’s what Oriental Orthodox Christians we believe🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 so we asked her to pray for us and the Angles too
We are not creatures. We are so sons and daughters to our Heavenly Father.
I thought that was weird how he said we were “creatures”.
We are "creatures" in the sense that we are "created" beings by God. That is the way he uses the word creatures.
We ARE creatures, God's creation.
@@emma_luce_0623 You are daughter of God. Paul may have used that word but to the Savior and Heavenly Father we are Sons and Daughters. I you feel more comfortable being called a creature more power to you but I am a son of God
@@stephmoore22it’s not, we’re God’s creation, thus creatures. It’s not meant to be negative like you’re making it.
You could make that excuse for anything you believe though. Jest because God can do it, doesn’t mean he has or will do it
How do they just make up stuff. Well God could have given them that ability. God can do anything but where does it say he did? Just another way to lead the flock astray. If it's not in the Bible then it's not true.
Hebrews 12:1 James 5:16
Do you know where the bible came from?
It must be wonderful to be so simple-minded. ??? No substance
@@marydantu1102 I suggest you read the #Catechism if you think Catholics are simple minded.
Left catholism years ago.
If you believe the Bible, can you be catholic? I will say, I had to leave being Lutheran in order to believe the Bible.
To be catholic is to throw the bible away.
@@ProtestantKing7 To be Catholic is to gain 1500 years of Christian history.
@@aclark903 to be catholic is to preach works which is heresy
@@ProtestantKing7To be Catholic is to compile the bible. How do you think the bible was put together?
The Bible is a Catholic book. It is read nearly in full every 2 years in daily Mass.
It’s like saying “oh I can’t limit God’s power and sovereignty so I might as well believe anything people tell me even if there’s no evidence based on the word of God because you know, who am I to limit what God can and can’t do?”
Trent Horn is a clown. Anyone can make the argument that says "God can do what he wants." But this needs to have some basis in scripture. In John Jesus refers to Mary as "woman." He lowers her to just any other person.
Rev 12:1-2 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet & a crown of 12 stars on her head. She was pregnant & cried out in pain, looking to her time of delivery..
John's use of Woman in light of her being the New Eve who was only called Woman before the Fall.
@@aclark903Does Mary have eagle wings ?
Let’s actually read scripture in context why don’t we.
Why revelation 12 is not Mary.
1. Rev 12:2 says the woman had birth pains,
2. Mary is never said to file the the wilderness 1,262 days after Jesus's ascension
3. Fleeing into the wilderness being protected and nourished by God is common Old Testament language which applied to Israel.
4. Revelation 12:14 says the woman that is Christian will be given eagle wings to fly away from satan into the wilderness. Mary after Jesus ascension never ran away from satan into the wilderness, the church did.
Exodus 18:4 God says he will take the people of God out of Egypt on eagles wings the same thing said to the woman in revelation 12:14, the woman is clearly the people of God.
The woman in revelation 12:1 is representing Israel not Mary.
I agree, but we don't have to call him a "clown". The vitriol is unnecessary for him just explaining his position.
@@ProtestantKing7 How about both?
Hail Mary full of grace!
Trent Horn made me Protestant 😂 his arguments for Catholicism are beyond laughable
So an inexperienced dude made you decide that A whole denomination that has been following the teachings of Jesus and his disciples closer than any other?
In all of his debates he destroys his Protestant opponents…
@@billmartin3561false
@@Rachel91224roman Catholicism is not a denomination
@@Rachel91224 Mary being without sin, accepting prayers, and being assumed into heaven is not closely following the teachings of Jesus or the disciples. And that's not to mention all of the other stuff on indulgences, purgatory, etc.
He still didnt answer the question.. Where does that idea come from
No...Allie asked, WHERE DOES THAT IDEA COME FROM ??? Question was not answered at all.
Praying and asking for help from Mary or the saints is no different than when you ask people to pray for you. We don't pray to them, we ask them to pray for us. If you don't think that's right, then you shouldn't ask anyone to pray for you. Wouldn't God hear the prayers of Mary and the saints just.as he hears anyone else's prayers?
We ask living people to intercede, not dead people.
430 years separate Abraham and Moses. Yet, Dives received the reply he deserved, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' (Luke 16:19-31) How would Abraham know unless God provides that awareness for His Saints. More evidence? Rev 6:9-11.
It's telepathy Catholics call 'Communion of Saints'.
The question still stands, where does that teaching or idea come from? If not the Bible, where?
..The Bible is our Source of Truth.❤