Selin Sevgi Terzi No he’s not there’s so much proof that he will end up dying in sovengarde and as well that he’s legit basically untouchable by Hermas
XXRedDawnXX that would be fucking awesome it’s set in HAMMERFELL it’s could be another high elf invasion and the redguards fighting back that’d be the best go redguarfs
King Manny yeah it would be like the skyrim civil war but with everything Bethesda planned for it so you could lose city battles and and you could sabotage enemy messages or cut the strings on catapults or replace the entire army's spears with brooms and helmets with kettles
Nemenon judging from the es6 trailer I'd say it takes place in wayrest. So my story prediction is that the empire will continue to fall apart and that the region of wayrest will become independent
I don't agree with this prediction. Considering the Aldmeri Dominion was able to surprise an unprepared Empire in the first Great War and only won at best a minor victory after extensive planning and resources were invested into the war. Just shows how strong the Empire still is. And considering most Imperial citizens want revenge against the elves, I'd say it's not unlikely that another war is being planned by the Empire to regain the right to worship Talos and more. Now if the Aldmeri Dominion only won a minor victory against the Empire with full surprise and planning, Imagine how it would go if the Empire prepared for a war against the Aldmeri Dominion? Now of course it's easier to defend. But the Empire never really defended well against the Aldmeri Dominion as they bypassed most of the defences watching Valenwood. And in open battle, they either drew or won. None of the Aldmeri Dominions advantages, particularly in Cyrodil were held for very long. So in terms of better ability to fight and win, I'd hand it to the Empire. Only reason they didn't continue, was because their resources were stretched thin from pushing the elves back, and decided to cut their losses and keep as much as possible in order to fight the elves again in the future when they are better prepared. Now you have to ask about the inter-war period. Which race has the ability to recover faster? The answer is the Empire hands down. Humans reproduce far faster than elves. And whilst they might not be as proficient as elves as elves can spend a lifetime of a human learning to fight, within that lifetime several generations of humans would have been born, died and been trained to an acceptable level. I highly doubt 1 elven warrior could take on 10 legionaries at once. You also have to consider how costly the war was for each side. For the Empire it resulted in a loss of manpower, resources and the sacking of the Imperial city, manpower which can of course be replaced quickly as well as the replacement of resources and the rebuilding of the Imperial city due to more manpower. For the Aldmeri Dominion the war cost manpower and resources. Manpower for the elves is far more precious compared to that of the Empire, and without extensive manpower, you can't dedicate many to replenishing resources. Inevitably unless the elves nuke Cyrodil or something, in a protracted war the Empire will win.
This, and another thing to consider: the dunmer would not sit by while the Aldmeri Army marched so near Velothi lands. Yes, I know, the Altmer are not in Morrowind. However, they’re still too close. Some will say that Morrowind is ruined from the Red Year but, that is not supported by lore, nor does it make sense from a geological perspective. Lower Morrowind was invaded at that time by Argonian forces. Those forces were stopped by Dunmer armies. This means the Dunmer are present in lower Morrowind and are capable of waging war, successfully. I also do not believe that Black Marsh would risk ANY army, no matter the promises, to march through their lands. The Altmer, on average, are not kind to the beast races. The Argonians are very aware of this. No promise could outweigh the risk posed by an army that, once significantly established within, might never leave. Also, the Imperial accounts of marching through the middle of Blackmarsh prove out the hostility of the region. If the Empire couldn’t do it, the Dominion wouldn’t survive it, either. So, the Aldmeri forces would be forced to march upward along the coast, which would not go unnoticed. One last thing, once the Skyrim Civil War was accomplished, quite a lot of Nord Forces loyal to the Empire, would be deployed into “soft” regions, like the contested areas of this video’s southwestern map. This scenario doesn’t take into account the Dunmer and the Nords contributions. Even if the Dunmer aren’t loyal subjects of the Empire, they’re not going to want the Aldmeri Dominion to settle so close the their sacred lands, as I’m sure Azura, Mephala and Boethia... especially Boethia, would probably have something to say about it. The Dunmer certainly wouldn’t want a Dominion victory. So, this scenario is unrealistic in its presumptions. Though, I think the author has made that opinion clear. Fun to speculate, though 😃
Having a bigger army doesn’t necessarily give the empire an advantage taking into consideration the existence of magic and the thalmors natural affinity for it. Ya know, AoE fire balls and green thunder strikes that blow open the walls of the imperial city
@@damonybarra8014 They didn't win the first war because of magic (it was because of vaermina's orb) and imperial mage are as skilled if not better than their aldmeri counterparts. One more thing after the orb was destroyed the aldmeri army was absolutely crushed in the battle of the Red ring.
I’d say the biggest advantage Thalmor have are their experience. An army of high elves consisting of long lived masters of the sword would be very challenging if they could get close
What kind of artillery? Empire has trebuchets and cannons, but they both are trumped by battlemages in a major way. Main use is to set them at castle, where crew is in a semblance of safety (IIRC thats how Redguards repelled Aldmeri fleet). Or in sieges, duh. Also, I think most people ignore the fact that its Empire that forced Levitation ban. Aldmeri mages can fly. Like Telvanni. But Telvanni are not pro-imperial, they dont give a shit. Empire can be in a pickle if we count flying fireball slingers. Still think that Empire wins tho. Legions are brutally effective at what they do, and with due preparations... There are not as many great mages in Dominion as many cohorts Empire has. Plus, Bretons are pro-Empire still, and are literally counters to Altmers, given that they are good mages resistant to magic, when elves are great mages succeptible to magic. In some regards Bretons can even rival Telvanni mages, the only advantage meric races have - is longevity and complimentary impressive experience.
If we adhere to common logic, then in order to achieve the trebuchet, the Empire first had to understand the counterweight and the torsion powers. Therefore it's not really a stretch of the imagination to say that prior to fielding trebuchets, ballistae and mangonels were equally commonplace, and probably far more so given their easier making. A polybolos, or a 'repeating ballistae', was a creation born from the discovery of flat-linked chains and torsion-power, and with the metallurgies of ES, would be even more powerful than their real-world counterparts. Consider how great a threat the Dwemer sentinels are with their crossbows. Now, make those fire 11 times a minute, and give them the range and power to skewer a man in full plate at a hundred yards. A curious thing about gunpowder weapons, is that even when cannons had only just appeared in Europe, the Ribault was a very close second in terms of timing. You'd be hardpressed to find any mage in Tamriel bar the strongest of battlemages, who could conjure up a ward capable of stopping eight to thirty-six cannonballs the size of a tennisball, being fired in rapid succession down a narrow path like, say, a bridge. You cannot churn out battlemages by the scores, but you can churn out the above, to great results.
I get a feeling that the dark botherhood quest line will be a thing and Titus won’t have much of a speech skill (or any other skills) to matter in the war. Weather or not it was your character that did it or a faceless assassin doesn’t really matter.
The Schlieffen Plan was from WW1, not WW2. You probably got confused because those major fortifications on the French border were indeed due to a previous war. It's just that was the Franco-Prussian war if I remember right.
WafflingMean44 Well, technically the Schlieffen plan originally was to invade the Natherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg. It was updated around the turn of the Century, and excluded the Natherlands, because Germany was going to use it as a was to get supply's. In World War 2: I think it was reviats, and this time the original plan was put in place. It happened to work because Blitzkrieg was head of it's time. In TES: The Aldmeri Dominion (AD) would have to go around The Empire's Wall. (I wounder if Trump was the Emperor) Anyways, if the AD Army was weaker what's stopping the Empire from steam roll them? Really the Empire is just holding it's self back.
WafflingMean44 The Maginot Line was constructed after WW1. Elsass-Lothringen/Alsace-Lorraine, an ethnically German territory where the French built the Maginot Line, belonged to Germany 1871-1918 (and in practice in 1940-44).
WafflingMean44 no he was right in a way, the schlieffen plan was in WW1 but the maginel line was there because of WW1 and instead of the nazis going through the line they went through Belgium. The Germans did this twice once in WW1 and once in WW2 the only difference is in WW1 they failed and WW2 they succeeded and took control of France
16:08 If I was an Aldmiri commander I would be extremely worried about my supply lines. In this scenario Black Marsh is a shaky ally at best and even then getting supplies in adequate amounts through all those swamps wouldn't be an easy task
The_Drop Bear If armies used portals all the time there would be literally no need for a giant defensive building up on the southern territory of cyrodil. Nor would there be a need for much of a navy apart from naval sieges. Portals are mainly for gameplay reasons, not lore.
The_Drop Bear You’re comments make barely any sense. The first Great War I don’t believe ever made use of portals or they would need no navy to transport troops across to the mainland.
The_Drop Bear I think it is generically for gameplay or only extraordinarily skilled mages could do it. If it was as simple as every mage doing it then the Great War would be completely different. And as I’ve said twice have no need for a navy for transportation. Or for that fact trade. Which we know is not true.
@jackakakreanxx5587 Not likely. I can't speak of how it appears in other depictions, but in the game Oblivion that region is pretty desolate. I remember it being very swampy, hilly, and devoid of almost all settlements except small cabins. Not really good farmable land. I may be wrong as it was my least favourite part of the Cyrodiil map so i have the least experience with it. As you get more northern in the Niben Basin closer to the Heartlands there's definitely more farmable area, but the best you can really rely for food during the early weeks of the war is fish and more dangerous wildlife, which is unpredictable on when you can encounter them and frankly a lot more time consuming than raiding a farm and looting it's bread. This scenario relies a lot on Blitzkrieg tactics (for lack of a better term) and really requires heavy gains early on. Hunting, Foraging, and Fishing in an area like this would make the Aldmeri forces slow to a snails pace, they'd need reliable supply lines to keep on schedule and a smaller force to secure them, because (in this scenario) if they lose their supply lines before reaching the heartlands or Cheydinhall, I'm pretty sure the war is pretty much over as the empire just waits for the main force to starve to death
I would say that it takes way longer to capture a walled city like Cheydinhal than just 2-3 days. Maybe if the walls are breached fast enough but then still a full attack from Aldmeri forces with still just defending city-guards would cost too much lossees on the Aldmeri side that it would be worth it. If the Aldmeris still would have done it, It would make that army crippled + having to garrison a fortified city would really stretch out a already crippled army.
Corrections so far: - Distances: Using TES Arena we actually have a more accurate measure of time. One should take about 2x my current distances. [Correction by Razak Loremaster] - First Great War: At the end of Red Ring the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was defeated. We dont have records of what happened to the rest, probably destroyed with the main army, but we dont have sources saying this [Correction by Grandmaster Jauffre] - The Imperial army could burn just the bridges and then the speculation could no longer be true, since that would significantly slow an Aldmeri advance. This speculation is completely dependent on a swift attack [Correction by Pietro Griffindio]
Imperial Knowledge one major outcome at the end of the battle of red ring. the dominions most experienced and distinguished generals were killed. that is huge.
I think The Aldmeri Dominion has a better Naval Force but The Empire has a better Army. When it comes to Magical Power the Aldmeri Dominion has the upper hand but The Empire may have better footsoldiers with the likes of The Orsimer being in The Legion as mentioned in Skyrim.
Also massively depends on the Argonians willingness to help the Dominion as well as the fact that if they do, the Empire would gain the the support of at least some of Morrowind as Morrowind lost territory to the Argonians when they invaded.
I was about to say something like that. While Morrowind would not be directly willing to ally with the empire, there may be some voices among the people to do so, specially if the argonians play in favor of the Dominion, the Dunmeri armies invade Northern Argonia for their lost territories during the Red Year and by doing so, they distract a portion of the argonian troops that might be strengthening the lands conquered in Southeastern Cyrodiil. Also, if the empire falls, I doubt the Dunmer would be as foolish as to ignore that they might be the next because of being exactly the opposite to the Altmer, a "cursed", Daedra worshipping race that once split from their Altmeri roots. Maybe house Hlaalu would be willing to accept their new rulers, but I don't see the more traditionalist houses (house Dres would be drooling at the idea of invading Argonia too) and the ashlander people accepting this.
@@galacticknight55544The Hist knows the Thalmor can not be trusted. The Thalmor plan involves destroying the world and eradicating everyone who isn't an elf in order to achieve godhood. They have the potential to become a worse problem than the Oblivion Crisis.
@@hypernova3527House Hlaalu are still very much imperial symphatizers even after being thrown out of the Great House council and House Dres would definetly advocate invasion of Argonia with Imperial support if Blackmarsh allies with Dominion
You gotta remember that in the infernal city (canon btw) attrebus mentioned that it would take about 20 days to get from rimmen to morrowind. Tamriel is way bigger than gameplay
1. I don't think the Argonians would negotiate with the Aldmeri Dominion do to the fact that they were once enslaved by Elves. 2. The Empire could support a Khajiit Rebellion. 3. The Albmeri Dominion mite win, unless you have a character that can choose to either help the High Elves or the Imperials.
I have to think it's unlikely that the Aldmeri would deploy so much of their forces to launch an attack from that direction. They would have their own borders at risk of an Imperial invasion as soon as the Imperial generals understand the situation. Imagine the logistics too, the invading force would have practically no supply route until the way has been cleared through lower Nibenay. A smaller force could use this approach to cut the Yellow road and potentially hold three rivers between Leyawiin and reinforcements, which would be useful if the Aldmeri attacked in the south.
Yeah I know, however I found it an interesting angle. Since there is almost nothing we can say about an attack on south cyrodiil since it is so heavily fortified and thus very well protected. And we do not know enough specifics to speculate any weakspots. So I decided to go in this direction, eventhough it is an unlikely one. But the dominion attacking at all is unlikely at best, since they are equal strength. So the thalmor would probably fight a war of information and influence instead of a land war
It is an interesting idea. If I had to plan an attack for the Thalmor, I'd send enough forces the way you suggested to take and hold the Silverfish river and push the main force from Elsweyr to Bravil. Cut Leyawiin off and it will fall by itself in time. That is, if they have the numbers to attack and the Empire hasn't fortified Bravil particularly much in anticipation of this plan and passing through Black Marsh is an option... It really is more likely that the Thalmor don't attack at all unless they gain some kind of an advantage we don't know of yet. Speculation is fun.
Keep in mind, though, that this is fantasy. Normally I hate it when fantasy treats magic like some kind of omnipotent force that's the solution to everything, but I think in this case it might be excused. Maybe the Dominion makes use of some magical way to keep their troops supplied.
I thought about that, but I don't remember anybody pulling anything like that off before in the lore, so I decided to dismiss the idea. Not saying it's impossible, though, and such ability could just be the unforeseen advantage they need. (if something like that has been done, please, let me know)
In the first 'great war' The Elves relied on a Daedric artifact, their whole campaign depended on it, So I think that if they tried for a second time, they would probably have some other magical item to help them in their campaign.However, going through Argonian territory is also very plausible.
Correction: the schlieffen plan was the WW1 plan for an invasion through belgium. In ww2, they invaded not only belgium, but luxembourg and the netherlands as well. Unlike ww1, The french had indeed fortified their northern border in ww2 so they broke the less fortified ardennes forest.
Also i belive that since the Empire is largely inspired/based upon the Roman empire, looking at roman military tactics would be useful in videos like this. :)
I know, just wanted to keep this video under 30 mins. The original featured an imperial counter offensive and a siege plan for ever city. But the recording was 67 minutes, which is objectively too long
The Thalmor have absolutely no intentions of starting a war, they will only fight once they’ve already won, They will do this by balkanising all of their opposition until it is like shattered glass, with city vs city, village vs village and family against family. Then they will roll in their army that will be like a brush sweeping aside the shattered and bickering humans. The only thing that can save Tamriel is if the Thalmor are FORCED to attack. But despite this, Good video man, wished you do more. :)
Hey guys! Let me know what you think of the new animations of the troops! I personally like the new touch to map videos. Should I remake my old map videos to be more like this one?
Imperial Knowledge i really like the map. The icons to display mountians and marshs is a nice touch as well as the city locations, line of border fortesses and especially random war camps placed about in logical locations. I think that the abondoned forts we see in oblivion would be re-maned with small garrisons in anticipation of invasion so maybe marking those would be a good idea if you mame a part 2. Updated videos would be nice but personally i dont think it is to necessary if it turned out to be a big hassle. :)
Imperial Knowledge Yeah, likr the prev guy said about mountains and whatnot. But you never used them as if they are strategic points, how about the empire just destroyed one of the bridges? Forcing the aldmeri to travel through large mountains and suffer heavy casualties. These kinds of things should have been considered.
Imperial Knowledge I think the khajit should have a greater part because they have massive war cats and are pretty awesome spies and assassins. Amazing video!
I still thing HighRock could turn the tide here? If Bretons/Orcs side Empire a blitz can break Aldmer Dominion. If reverse this can undo Empire for good.
@@haydencantthink it is going to happen regardless due to the fact an actual Imperial legion is right outside of Skyrim, and will arrive to either fully finish the rebellion, or to kill Ulfric and retake the providence. It's canon in all but name.
yeah if hes still alive. the gap between games is usually hundreds of years (edit: not usually but if oblivion and skyrim are anything to go off of its safe to assume it will be a 100 years at least)
I personally subscribe to the North American size for Tamrael. The game of Dagger fall took place in an area the size of the U.K. All of High Rock wasn't used or explored in the game.
I can't imagine The Dominion blitzing from Blackmarsh through a Bottleneck between a river and a mountain region and push across 3 rivers, rivers are natural barriers that a defense force can easily dig into. Even if The Dominion was met with minimum resistance, they still have to move a large amount of troops and their caravans across these rivers. You have to secure your flanks and your six to ensure your supply chain doesn't get cut off and you can provide reinforcements, you also need to leave garrisons behind to secure logistics routes. They would have to lockdown the entire southwest region before making a push like that or they risk decimation
An invasion through Blackmarsh would never work. The other races of Tamriel can baerly survive on the outskirts, yet your talking about marching tens of thosounds of troops through. Never mind the fact that the Dominion would some how ahve to equip, suply and feed that army without any viable land route... It would be a logistical nightmare the likes of which has never been seen. Nevermind the fact rapid strikes that is the basis of your plan requires nice, easy to march through territory, not boggy, marshy wasteland that would do as much damage to your army throug attrtion then an enemy assault would, and would massively slow down the armys ability to speed march to quickly aqquire territory to defend before the EMpire coul react. Furhtermore by pulling sufficent numbers of troops into attacking what is essentially the useless wasteland of Cyrodil, you would be weakening the defences around the only two assets the Dominion has in Tamriel, Valenwood and Elsywr, allow for an Imperial incursion. Having laods of forts is useless if they can simply be surrounded by and starved out due to sufficent numbers of their troops having been moved an entire province away... And finally... There is no way possible the Dominion coudl surpise attack the Empire through Blackmarsh. Like I previously said the only parts the Dominion troops could even surive in is the coast line, meaning you would have tens of thsoounds of people musterd quite visibly along the coast. Nevermidn the fact that to supply and feed that army you would need to transport thosounds of tons of food for several years, espeically if you went ahead with the isnane plan of using merchant ships to ferry troops, which would take a signficant amount of time because you could only garry a couple lof dozen every trip or it would be obivous what is happening. Furthermore the only viable area of coastline the Dominion could land on that would allow for tranport into Cyrodil is Blackmarshes Western Coast... Which means going into sea routes controlled by the Empire, and likely with spot searches commited by the Imperial Navy to ensure things like this does not happen, probably under the guise of 'Searching for Controband'. I like the idea you have tried to do. But it seems that you are not qwuite fully consideirng the full scope of your plans in conjunction with both the realities of warfare - like the abusrd amount of food or water an army of just ten thosound would consume every week even with severe rationing, or the full nature of the sitaution in Tamriel - both polictcally, militarily or geographucally, and how taht would effect any possible campaign. Nope, sorry mate, but I got to the 3/4 through this video and was just laughing my head off at how little you consider. Are you really telling me that the in your mind the Dominion, having already weakend its army by splliting 70% of it off to Blackmarsh to Invade Cyrodil, is going to try and breakthrough the Imperial defensiive lines - which are still better fortified because they hve more troops than the Aldmeri do along the border, with only like 70% of there own defensive army going to counter attack th Thalmor... I mean you said the Imperial Army is larger than the DOminion, so not only would that tiny Dominion force me attacking a nnumerically superior force, but it would also be assulting what is, according to you, a very powerful line of defensive forteffactions? The IMperials have numbericalk supeortiy, Defensive foritfactions. And they are the defenders... And yet there apparently are easily swept away? And then they dont counter attack, and basicly comeptlly take Valenwood nad Elsweyr fron the Dominion because apprently the DOminion has comeptlly drained all its garrisons into this one, ditched suciidal assault on the imperial defensive line in the East? I liek you, but if you ever want to make a video like this again, you Need to learn far more about warfare, create a better and more logical script to check for errors, consistency issues or just things that make no sense, and generally just get a better strategic mind that truly understands the istuation you have set yourself. BEcause to be brutally honest? The content of this video just seems stupid.
Tl;dr. You could have just said the last sentence and saved yourself the trouble. It’s a huge speculation which most don’t have the time for and that he tried and got this far is admirable. Frankly, no one knows how it would truly know as we have far too little knowledge of their military force and logistical concerns.
@Sam Lim I doubt it would be a logistical nightmare considering the Dominion is adept in magic and will likely have people teleporting or gating back HQ for supplies
KraNis Where is there mention of teleportation used by mortals in elder scrolls lore and games? The only time I experienced teleportation in the games was for daedric quests in oblivion and Skyrim. Also, even if teleportation was possible, I doubt that the elves could teleport small groups, much less an entire army. You could argue that the elves can use water walking and invisibility, but imagine the resources that elven high command would have to waste to teach every soldier a certain spell. You really shouldn’t argue magic because nobody knows how it works or how it can be used for armies and transportation of thousands.
@@derman-ps6re Well you have spells like Recall and Intervention in Morrowind... But they do seem to be more of a 'one off' kind of thing on a small scale. Plus whilst recall is a spell, its purely defensive, and intervention is mired in religion of both the Nine Divines and ALMSIVI. Even then, they take you to pre-set destinations instead of simply allowing you to appear in the middle of nowhere... In Oblivion the mages guild shows a limited ability for teleportaion magic with the teleportation pads, but these are once again highly limited and don't seem very practical for large scale purposes. In Skyrim, as far as I recall, we have no examples of teleportation magic as a surving art outside of Daedric powers having some fun (And thats more of a manifestation of power and will than magic as mortals would understand it). Heres my honest take - The High Elves are incredibly powerful magically and likely can pull of teleportaion magic to some degree. But even Morrowind under the height of the Living Gods (Who would far outstretch Aldmeri society in power) proved susceptible to moral armies, so clearly large scale teleportation, making armies move around (quite literally like magic) is impossible (Because the Remans would have been totally raped when they tried to invade Morrowind instead of fighting several times to a stand still. Teleportation is just totally op in terms of warfare). I mean... Just imagine Septims conquest of the Alinor. Numidium arrives on the island... And a small corp of Aldemri mages just teleports themselves to places like the White-Gold tower and assassinate the entire Imperial Court & Elder Council, all of the Septim family, the Generals of the Legions and so on. We cannot prove teleportation of armies impossible because we do see examples of teleportation magic in the universe... but when its something that would basically make the entire universe collapse in on itself as people can constantly point out a scenario where it should have and could have been used, you have to presume that it is impossible for the universe to even make some degree of internal sense.
I know it'd be difficult, but the Imperials should seriously make an effort to reach out to the Maomer to try and coordinate an attack. Even just to point out how vulnerable the Altmer would be when they're fully engaged with the Imperials and the Maomer should use the opportunity to attack their territories.
Yes, howeverr, we dont know what they are up to. There must be a reason why we never heard of them anymore, and that is probably because they either have a deal with the thalmor or because they are simply too weak to even consider attackinh
Benjamin Carlini Dependant on the Redguard navy. We know that the Thalmor had a strong navy in the first Great War and as an island nation Navy is paramount in the transportation of troops and also the defence of an island.
I think The Empire might try to hire The Argonian's or The Redguard's as Mercanaries but it would depend if Skyrim is independant. If Skyrim is Independant then there could be a chance of A Nord-Redguard Team up.
Alex's MadneS I think he’s trying to say that it’s an enemy of my enemy kind of situation. If they both did team up then they have a chance of getting High Rock involved, which would give that alliance the magic prowess of the Bretons, the natural swordsmanship skill of the Redguards, and the brute force and power of the Nords. Also, while I do agree that it is highly unlikely, since Skyrim is also technically the homeland of the Orcs they could feel threatened by the Aldmeri Dominion, but once again that is a bit of a long shot
@@ASTRA1564 not really lmao, The Soviet Union and the west despised each other, but teamed up to stop Nazism and Japanese Imperialism, that is a large and recent example of the “myth” taking place
Amazing video :) Personally, I think that the Altmer will infiltrate the Empire, inserting a gigolo close to the Emperor who will convert him to the High Elve's cause.
Personally I don't really see how the empire can lose. The Aldmeri forces relied on the orb of Vaermina to progress and once they lost that they faltered at every step. They suffered heavy casulties that compared to a human population will take much longer to replenish, humans breed way faster than altmer. The moment the empire managed to shake off the enemies element of surprise they won at every turn, now they are prepared they don't even have that. It is also theorised that the situation in valenwood and elsweyr isn't great politically. A possible rebellion in valenwood would hamper any war.
So the best the Aldmeri dominion could do is a stalemate and only if they are very, very lucky. Also don't forget the impact of the knightly orders of Cyrodiil could have on the war; the Knights of the Nine are a rather large order close to where the fighting is and though they said that they will not participate in the secular wars of men, I would technically count this as a race war to defend humanity from elven-kind, which is part of the knightly order's dogma. Their history is not mentioned after Oblivion but I would think that they wouldn't be bothered so much as they aren't a part of the imperial army and therefore not able to be touched by the White-Gold concordat except through the Talos-worship aspect, which they weren't entirely solid about in the first place. Furthermore, attacking Cheydinhal would have the Knights of the Thorn join in the defense, not sure how much good they'd do but every sword would make a difference. And finally just throw the knights of the white stallion in there just for lols.
Jonathan Wells the Knights of the Nine has been disbanded since the Great War, with the abolition of Talos worship. It even seems that a fallen Knight of the Nine can be found at the coast of the Sea of Ghosts in Skyrim
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I think we might see the Empire fund the war in Hammerfell or fund an uprising in Elsweyr. It would be sensible to fight a proxy war in which your enemy expends troops and you don’t. Just like the Dominion did in Skyrim. IF, and that’s a big if, Titus II had himself assassinated a new emperor would have more to offer a rebellion than Titus did. Freeing up the Redguard troops was a pretty cunning plan and elves take longer to replenish their armies than humans do and Khajiits breed like cats so if they lose Elsweyr the dominion will be on the defensive.
If he assassinated himself hammerfell might want to rejoin the empire. Since the few there that still have bitterness against the empire, they have it against titus personally because it were his orders to abandon. The general left a lot of soldiers there against titus's orders, showing hammerfell that the imperials did care for them Titus just did not in their view. So a new emperor would have more credibility in hammerfell
I thought I might add a little about if the Dominion tried to invade Chedinhal. (Forgive me if I spelled it wrong.) But it is known for having good alteration spell users as well. A tactic that was used in the war against the Ayleids was getting above and on top of house to attack troops on the ground at night and breathing under water in the river then come up and attack troops at night as well. Though this didn’t stop the invasion. It did take long to about three days to find out what was happening to the troops and put a stop to it. Just an idea but I understand if it didn’t matter in this speculation.
Let's not forget that whoever won the Skyrim civil war will join the empire in attacking the Dominion. Even if the Stormcloaks win, Ulfric isn't stupid, he'd know that the Dominion cannot win a second war and so he'd send as many Nords as he could to help the empire as an ally. If the Empire won the civil war, then general Tullius now has a sizeable army of battle-hardened veterans to reinforce the southern Imperial armies. In either case, the Nords would enlist en masse to defeat the Dominion and end the ban on Talos worship. Once the civil war has ended, the Thalmor either need to attack very quickly or face a far stronger Empire.
15:51 I don't know, I feel like once the Empire realizes most of the Aldmeri army is east of the Niben, they might try to gamble and attack with all their border forces into Valenwood and Elsweyr, to try and smash through the weakened defense and quickly take over both provinces, thereby cutting off the army in Cyrodiil and forcing an Aldmeri Dominion surrender.
I think that if the Empire win the skyrim civil war, they have a huge advantage against the AD. Any long war will see the populations of skyrim and High rock happily mobalised against elven forces and the inevitable defeat of the AD in a war of attrition.
I think the Empire would likely have access to the Dragonborn so I think while this could be the first half of the war, I think the rest of the war would be the Empire pushing back the Aldemeri with the help of the Dragonborn, maybe even sailing to the Summerset Isles
@@ireangel9210 I don't understand your logic. Your saying that if the Imperials and Stormcloaks joined forces, there would be no help? So the Stormcloaks alone have to win? Thus reducing the amount of soldiers? The Empire wants the Aldmeri Dominion to fall just as bad as the Stormcloaks. All they need is time to make a plan and amass manpower. The Thalmor know this, so they allow the Stormcloaks to continue the civil war. It keeps the Empire occupied. And I'm sure there would be plenty of other provinces willing to take up arms and join the effort to drive the Dominion out of their homes. Hammerfell, for instance. The Redguards HATE the Thalmor. They had their own war against the Dominion after the Empire surrendered. They actually won! The Dark Elves and Argonians might be willing to even reform the Ebonheart Pact to drive the Dominion back to the Summerset Isles. The Dark Elves would love to hit the Thalmor square in the nose because the High elves see them as lessers. The Argonians have the advantage of neither the Empire or the Dominion being able to get very far into their province do to the treacherous swamps. But the Dominion will still try to get further. They might not get very far for a while, but eventually they will. Perhaps they'll threaten to burn down the Hist trees to force the Argonians to accept full subjugation.
Awesome prediction vid! Your work is really impressive. In my opinion, I think you are right. Blackmarsh will have an important role in a case of a second great war.
Idk...there are so many variables coming out of TESV that make speculating about a second great Tamrielic war difficult. Skyrim remaining loyal has obvious huge implications. The return of Dragons could a wrench on both sides.
I don’t like how the Hammerfell/Skyrim border is not really blocked by mountains. A straight shot into Skyrim through Falkreath Hold. That’s if the Redguards can’t hold back the Thalmor, Nords will have to plug that entrance.
Because in name morrowind is still part of the empire, but they are independent in every other aspect. And to our knowledge there are no troops left in morrowind. However IF it is true that in NAME they are still part of the empire, it is my belief that there must be some forts or something near the border. But it is all speculation really, I could be wrong
Litterely my Skyrim character could beat the entire almeri army by itself and the help of his 2 dragons sworn to fight with him and his lydia who is ready at every moment to carry some burdens
Why doesn't the Aldmeri just take the army that took over Bravil and Leyawin and surround the imperial army at the bridge? You would essentially break the stalemate, wipe out the imperial main army and secure your supply lines in one fell swoop.
I'm a fan of the Khajiit so of course I'd support the taking of Bravil and Leyawiin. I'm not really a fan of the Dominion though so it's a double-edged sword.
Wouldn't they also call on the Bosmer and Khajiit as Client states to also attack and seperate Imperial forces? I would think the Dominion would also offer to help the An-Xileel take revenge on the Dunmer and help suppress them as well. The Thalmor would try disrupting their forces before attacking right?
Bosmer and Khajiit will be integrated in the main army probably, like in the first war. And probably they could help the an xileel. However the argonians are not interested in another morrowind advance, they are nationalists and just want the swamp, because they think that was blackmarsh once. And they have the swamp. And they already have their revenge
Nobody thinks stormcloak victory will be a long term victory. Since they lost half of their manpower and even Galmar says he needs to train soldiers. Empire could easily take back the Skyrim. Otherwise theres no hope for mankind. Skyrim alone cant do any shit. Especially after losing that much people in civil war.
@@ladyselin35 You know, not everything is about what’s easier, but what’s right. And I think the secret truth to Skyrim’s story, is that there’s hope no matter the problem. Alduin, the World-Eater, was supposed to fulfill his destiny; but us the Dragonborn stopped the inevitable. And now that Alduin is defeated, the Dragonborn has fulfilled his part of the prophecy, only left to do what he can for Tamriel, more so his home. And so after defeating the World-Eater and his phony counterpart (Miraak), his next enemy is Skyrim’s Tyranny. With or without the Empire, the Dragonborn will extinguish the discrimination of his people, he has the power to do it and if the Empire insists on hiding, he will look towards the Stormcloaks. And I don’t know about you, but the Dragonborn leading the Stormcloaks to Skyrim independence sounds like a good story to me.
The dominion wouldn't attack as the situation stands though, they're playing the long game. They're actively trying to undermine the empire so it cracks before any invasion occurs, which is working. I think the result of the civil war in Skyrim ends, it also changes their plans. If the stormcloaks win, they will almost certainly NOT help the empire, since they just had a war against them and resentment piles up, and it would cut Highrock from Cyrodiil. It would be Cyrodiil vs the dominion, so the dominion would easily win. Remember that the real reason why the imperials managed to stop the dominion in the first war was because of nords and redguards. Now they have neither. If the empire wins the civil war, the dominion will keep breaking the empire apart little by little, since they're theoretically partners, they do have the empire on their hand with the concordat.
The nords were a major force. They were the ones who prevented the aldmeri retreat south, acting like an immovable wall of shields. That's why you run into so many great war veterans in Skyrim (Interestingly, they all seem to regret their actions, including the dominion one(s)). As for the attack, it will come eventually, but not a the situation stands. The dominion thinks the empire will not attack them, so they're prodding and poking for weaknesses, but when they find it they will attack. I think the video does a good job explaining what would happen right now, and it opens up the discussion of what *could* the dominion do to break the hurdles presented in this video, from non-militaristic points of view, like economics, or intelligence manipulation (feigning a gold coast attack, for instance, would cause all the imperial troops to be a couple weeks away from returning to the black marsh front, for instance). It also begs the question... since the Emperor is dead, what if the new emperor decides to attack the dominion instead? The scenario presented in this video opens up the possibility of a TE6: black marsh. The empire attacking opens up TES6: Valenwood or Elsweyr. Maybe this attack through black marsh occurs, and the redguards take the chance to attack Summerset and the game is set in Summerset.
+Imperial Knowledge The Nords were only used in two points at the war; 173 as reinforcements, and 175 for the Battle of the Red Ring, aside from that they did not fight. The only reason they were still intact after the Battle of the Red Ring is because they were tasked with keeping the city surrounded. It were the Redguard, Breton, and Imperial Legions that took back the city, the Nords merely prevented an Aldmeri escape.
70% of the forces of the Dominion are ready for action in Black Marsh If the Argonians/general ecology of Black Marsh wasn't enough to make that absolute suicide, the absolute insanity of the supply light required to sustain 70% of the Dominion's would.
All the empire needs to do is wait for the main dominion force to engage the Skyrim forces and then the imperial army can start a quick offensive across the bridge and burn down the one the dominion made it across and that would trap most of the dominion forces, as for the navy it would seem logical to have a part of the imperial fleet in breton territories, perhaps they could join the smaller fleet or launch a surprise invasion on the altmer island while the smaller fleet acts as a distraction. Also attaching siege equipment to merchant ships would really boots imperial naval supremacy as well. Maybe it's a sound plan or maybe I've been playing too much EU4.
I'm guessing for this, you're assuming the stormcloaks lost? Before I launch into a full tirade, everything you did cover seem logical enough, the split imperial fleets, size of Tamreil the time it takes to move armies, great graphics, citing ww2 strategies etc... But it seems like you are complexly discounting grand spells, that can do things like hiding whole armies, and that armies can and have, even in ancient times just built their own bridges in short periods of time, instead of only using preexisting ones. Lastly I know the Aldmeri dominion is on the offensive here, but not even Imperial counter offensives?
Imperial counter offensive was in the script. I just scaled down the video to when the Aldmeri advance would stop. If I continued the video would be over 40 minutes long. And that is objectively too long. And yes, they can build their own bridges, but that takes time. Something the AD does not have in this scenario since they have to capture as much strategic territory as fast as they can
About the stormcloak thing, Bethesda has already confirmed that the imperials winning is canon, you can find a note in an imperial fort or something. I would also suggest watching the lore video on it, I forgot who created it but a simple search should bring it up
@@anthonymigliaccio3492 that's dumb, why give the player choice when you rip it away in the sequel? But then again, Bethesda isn't as good as a company as CD project red, or old school bioware.
This is an interesting scenario. My head canon is that the Dragonborn reunified Skyrim under the Empire, defeated Alduin, ended the Volkihar vampire threat, destroyed Miraak and wiped out the Dark Brotherhood for good measure. After news of these exploits spread throughout Tamriel, and given his dragon blood he is immensely popular with the citizens of the Empire, Skyrim especially. He rides into the Imperial City cheered on by the common people, the guards dare not stop him. In exchange for his own life and that of his family, Titus Meade II an extremely unpopular ruler relinquishes his throne to the Dragonborn. Hammerfell is approached without the Dominion's knowledge, to rejoin the Empire, to avenge the dead of the Great War. Next the Emperor sends four legions to reclaim Morrowind's ancestral border with Black Marsh in exchange for their discreet loyalty. A non-aggression pact is signed with the Argonians, their current government is extremely isolationist. The Khajiit in Northern Elsweyr wish to be reunited with the south, the Emperor backs a popular coup of a pro-Imperial government and it succeeds after a year of brutal fighting. The Dominion has lost a valuable client state. Valenwood is full of Wood Elves that resent their treatment under the Thalmor. The Dragonborn Emperor convinces the royal family to sabotage Dominion supply lines in the event of a mainland invasion. And join the war in earnest once Dominion forces are purged from Valenwood. The Empire is now stronger than it's been in centuries, only now is the Emperor ready to reinstate the worship of Talos. The 2nd Great War begins and The Empire (consisting of High Rock, Cyrodil, a unified Skyrim and now Hammerfell, Morrowind and Elsweyr) launches a series of blitzkrieg campaigns against Dominion forces garrisoned throughout the mainland. The heads of every Thalmor spy are sent back to Alinor as a token of thanks for the gift given to the Emperor in 4E 171. The combined forces of the new Imperial Navy decisively destroys the Dominion navy and a blockade of the Summerset Isles is now in effect.
If the Dragonborn is alive when the war kicks off because since on one of the DLCs he/she learns to tame and ride dragons. He/she could use those said dragons, it would help the war effort for the Imperials because they can use air attacks to surprise the enemy. And plus the Dragonborn would be a huge signal to convince people to join in with the Empire. Since Talos (Tiber Septim) made the Empire that began the Third Era, Argonia (Black Marsh) and Hammerfell would back up the Empire and possibly join back. Elsvyer (sorry I spelt that wrong) will learn that the Dominion are taking credit for the Void Nights as a way to gain power, they will hopefully push back the Dominion and join in with the Empire, leaving the Dominion weaker and the Empire will eventually besiege Alinor, winning the war and restoring the warship of Talos, the Empire will be at it's formal glory, and the Restoration of the Blades.
I personally believe that the Civil War in Skyrim May still be going on when we get the next game. Because in the main story of Skyrim we see the war stop for a second but it continues. The war Quest are not Canon. I believe that as soon as the war breaks out that the Aldmeri Dominion is attacking again. Immediately Ulfric will Sign a truce and go fight The Dominion as soon as possible. You also didn’t give much to say about HammerFell. I felt that if the Dominion began another war now. HammerFell, Rebel Skyrim, and The Empire would all Unify again and Crush the Dominion. That’s just my opinion, feel free to Reply what you think of what I’ve said here anyone.
I love the idea of a second Great War. However, I think that if Hammerfell was invaded to hit the Empire would not work at all. Hammerfell defeated the Dominion on their own terms after the White-Gold Concordat was signed. I think that if Hammerfell was invaded, the Empire would quickly send aid to help and the province would be reunited with the Empire. As for Black Marsh, I completely agree that the Dominion would get crushed trying to invade the province. However, I don't think the Dominion would be able to make a treaty with them. I think the Argonian-Elf tensions are far too high because of the Dumner slavers. Overall, I love the ideas and speculations behind this video. Great video!
The_Drop Bear You raise some interesting points. I was unaware of the treaty between the Argonians and the Dominion. I’ll have to look into that. As for Hammerfell regardless whether or not Imperial influence in the province made a difference in their war, which I agree that it definitely did, Hammerfell still won. It would seem more likely that if faced with another war that either the Redguards would eventually call for aid from the Empire, the Empire would get involved in hopes they could annex the province, or the Empire would “advise” military operations within Hammerfell.
Skyrim or elder scrolls 6 should be all these territories and you play as the dragon born that becomes a king of skyrim and you invade and conquer the world
I think if the dragonborn side with the empire, the dragonborn could turning the war by him/herself. Not just the dragonborn basically a one man army, but the dragonborn also have a dragon under his/her command
Lol where did you hear that from? If they want to make a game about the second great war they have to do it properly with a new engine and mechanics, so Skyrim won't do...
I must say i really enjoyed this speculation video. But I generally doubt there will be a second great war. As you pointed out the armies probably have the same strenght. This would just lead to a cold war, where noone starts with his first strike. So as in your speculation the only chance for an actual war is a surprise attack. But i doubt the Argonians would ever side with anyone. Neither can the Dominion start an attack against Hamerfell or any other province because it would lead to a weakened border to Cyrodiil and the Empire would use the chance to attack Valenvood/Elsweyr. Even if the Dominion manages to conquer a part of the continent they would lose in the long run. By conquering all of Valenvood and Elsweyr the Empire would remove a lot of Aldmeri influence from the continent and Aldmeri reinforcements would have a lot of problems to arrive. Considering all of this the Dominion has to attack Cyrodiil directly. But this is really difficult due to the fortification. And even if a suprise attack like in your video would, work the Empire could just go for a scorched earth policy to slow down and eventually stop the attack. To sum up: I dont think the Aldmeri Dominion has any chance of starting and winning a second great war.
I agree, however a scorched earth policy requires people to destroy things. The small force in the area that is not the border with the dominion does not have enough men to execute a scorched earth policy
I don’t know too much about Tamriel lore, especially surrounding the Great War. But I feel like their are a lot of assumptions in this video. Assuming no imperial spies, assuming black marsh will be a good ally and that logistics will work out well even through a swamp, assuming Skyrim doesn’t send more troops quicker to help from the north, assuming hammerfell doesn’t ally with the empire and take the chance to crush the dominion, assuming the empire doesn’t just blow through the southern border if they see the thalmor only have 30% of their troops their, assuming the armies are equal strength even though the dominion got crushed by the empire once the daedric artifact was destroyed, etc. I really like your videos and am a huge fan of your content, and I think the animations look great. I just think the war in this video relies a lot on assumptions and that their are a lot more factors to think about than you went over. I would like to see a video from the imperial side if they went on the attack But even you mentioned the fact that you gave the dominion a lot of leway and benefit of the doubt, so this comment may just be dumb and annoying to you. If it is I’m sorry that wasn’t my intention. Please don’t be offended by this comment it’s not meant to be rude or anything. I’m just putting my opinion down like you ask your viewers to do. I love your content and please keep making videos.
I really want to know your opinion the only thing that is keeping me from wanting to help the empire is they allow the enemy, the Dominion to go into Skyrim and hunt down people that worship Talos which I think is unfair. Second the Empire got Ulfric Stormcloak arrested (Markarth incident) they betrayed him and hammerfell.
1. They have no choice in the matter, and it is in no way a permanent arrangement. This is merely to buy time for the empire so that they can rebuild their forces, and prepare for the second great war. It's a difficult decision but a necessary one. 2. The Empire arrested Ulfric after the atrocities and war crimes he committed against the forsworn and innocent civilians during the Markarth incident. It wasn't a wrongful imprisonment, what he did was effectively the equivalent of police officers gunning down rioters
1 ulfric is technically a dominion sleeper agent which is why he started the war and 2 ulfric forced the empires hand by openly breaking the white gold concordet
The_Drop Bear 1: He's unapproachable because his entire rebellion is based around breaking free from the Empire to fight the Thalmor. 2: The same dossier also states that an Imperial victory would harm their standing in Skyrim, meaning that it is something they want to avoid as well. They want the civil war to drag on for the reasons stated in this video; keep the Empire's attention in Skyrim and slowly bleed it dry. 3: He was also ~allowed~ to escape because this is what the Thalmor hoped he would do. So while he isn't a Thalmor sleeper agent _or_ working for the Thalmor in any way, he is nonetheless playing right into their hands, and if either side were to begin having an edge over the other without the Dragonborn's involvement, I think it's rather likely that they would take precautions to make sure the war soon returns to its previous state.
Well the thing about ulfric and most of the stormcloaks, they're pretty racist. They always talk about how all elves are dangerous magic users that helped in the oblivion crisis, they always talk about skyrim belongs to the nords and the nords only, and mostly it's thalmor's plan for the stormcloaks to win so they can completely weaken the empire and the thalmor knows that the stormcloaks wouldn't even stand a chance against them since they're starting out their own nation and trying to get together their alliance compared to a nation that already has allies and enough power to weaken the empire.
Pretty good video. I love when people speculate military strategy and This is one of the better plans I've seen for a 2nd great war. Seems to me like the Empire might win this though if they get Hammerfell and maybe Morrowind (somehow) to fight with them.
I feel that the first phase of the war, if I were a Thalmor commander, would be to neutralize the imperial fleet near the gold coast. That fleet, if left intact, could either blockade the summerset isles or be used to invade the isles. Besides, the Thalmor could use their entire navy in the battle and once the imperial gold coast fleet is destroyed, then they could focus on the other half of the imperial fleet. After that first phase, the empire would have to weaken the border forts by sending troops to defend the gold coast. I would envision then the two sides would enter a cold war with each side trying to incite rebellion in the others territory.
I am asuming that since you have SKYRIM coulerd red on the map this speculation is with an Empire victory in the civil war. If so then how long after the the war is this invasion? If it happend soon after, maybe a month later. Then the empieral regime of skyrim may not have been in a position to aid cyrodil very much. But if this war starts a few months at least later then a few legions out of skyrim could cross the jerral mountians and (maybe) join with/draft a token force of the Bruma city guard and liberate Cheydinhal if it was taken our under a pending siege. But if skyrim was under STORMCLOAK rule do you think they would even try to help the empire?
This scenario is basically when the Imperials have won, yes, however. It is my personal conviction that Skyrim would help the empire regardless. For more explanation on that stance, watch my Ulfric video :)
Colin Dube If it was a gap of about few years assuming a stormcloak victory I believe that Ulfric would form an allegiance with the empire as he fought in the first Great War and I believe that his hatred for the elves is stronger than his hatred of the empire. I also don’t think he would stay neutral as he knows if the aldermeri dominion win they will come for Skyrim soon after.
Colin Dube A Stormcloak controlled Skyrim would certainly aid the Empire to defeat the Thalmor. Even if not fighting side by side, I'm sure the Stormcloaks would take the opportunity to utilize guerrilla tactics upon Summerset or the standing Aldmeri forces
Thank you for this video. Now it's clear. TES6 main quest will revolve around Empire gaining Hammerfell of Losing Daggerfall with multiple ending depending on choices. Empire has; neither, either one, both. Depending on player, factions etc. Maybe one ending has Talmor getting into Hammerfell.
Honestly (yes I know this is old) it would definitely be interesting if the Altmer Thalmor found a way to get the Dunmer to go against the Argonians so you can technically realistically have the Altmer be able to place their armies near the Cyrodollic border near Black Marsh, I really don’t ever see the Argonian’s making deals with the Altmer just so they can get a portion of land back. To the Thalmor I’m pretty sure the Dunmer would be more negotiable to the Thalmor, especially when a race of lizards literally trampled and took parts of Morrowwind. I can see that really working for a game.
There is a major flaw in the Thalmor strategy. If the second imperial fleet beats the smaller Thalmor fleet, that will completely cut off the Thalmor supply line. The Bay Fleet and the army coming out of Argonia would be unable to resupply or get any reinforcements.
Great video! I am preparing to run an extensive TES role play campaign and this gave me plenty of ideas of what might be happening int the world while my players roam Tamriel. Thank you so much!
I think the only way the Aldmeri Dominion would even consider possible talks with Black Marsh is if they are able to stamp out all resistance within Valenwood. We know that in the time of Skyrim, Valenwood is undergoing an ethnic cleansing by the Thalmor. This among other atrocities by the Thalmor is going to fuel Bosmer rebels to rise up against the Thalmor, to take back their country and the Penitus Oculatus would be aware of any discontent within Valenwood and be willing to use the unrest to further the Empire's goals. I also think the Khajit (Elsweyr) are pretty much the silent client state of the Aldmeri Dominion as there is no evidence to suggest that they took part in the 1st Great War. So they would probably stay out of the conflict unless the Penitus Oculatus is able to convince the Khajit that the Thalmor did not stop the Void Night, as they claimed. If the Khajit found that out they would be pissed off with the Thalmor for the deception. In all i think the Empire has a good chance to defeat or at very least hold back the Thalmor. If they won then the White Gold Concordat would be null and void and Tamriel could once again worship Talos openly. (The Imperials aren't enforcing the ban on Talos worship), essentially you could still worship Talos in private cause unless someone informs on you then the Thalmor would be none the wiser.
When thinking about the Great war, well the potential second one, I always assumed the Dominion would leave a moderate force in the southern border as you did, then they would navally assault High Rock, presumabley quickly annexing most of it due to its small size and also since it would have very limited troops defending it. Then from then on some troops from the empire would likely make small incursions into the Dominion, until they sent up a large force to save High rock, splitting the empire, whilst the force was on the move to High Rock, the Southern Border may get overrun by reinforcements, or clever ambushes in the Valenwood forests and Elsweyr Hills, leading to an opening in the South, now presuming the empire has the Dragonborn as well he may give battles a favourable siding to the Empire (especially since he/she can summon dragons, and would be a good figurehead for the Empire to follow), so the Empire may end up, losing most of Southern Cyrodill bar Skingrad (since that place is a bloody mint fortress) and Bravil for similar reasons, then the Imperials would have to split their remaining troops to defend the Imperial City and repel High Rock. Personally if this happened I believe the Empire would either lose dramatically, or perhaps win a victory wherever the Dragonborn is present and perhaps win a stunning victory on one front, then allowing for them to move south with a weakened force, perhaps helping the Empire hold the south or High rock depending, leading to an Empire victory or defeat depending on the outcome of this specific battle. To me this makes sense, however your Strategy for the AD seems excellent as well, granted I believe the Dominion would have to make larger concessions to the Argonians, since they despise elves more than men, so all of Cyrodill from the Blackwood to Bruma would have to become Argonian I reckon. Anyways good work, and I think you did a great job bringing speculation and ideas. Ya never know this theory could end up being canon by the next ES game. Also I would love to hear what you think on my prediction obviously its not perfect, and perhaps a bit rushed, but I think theres potential in it. Thank you!
Dragonborn: I've been in Solstheim for only TWO weeks, and already you broke out into war?
Hes in apocrypha xD
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No he’s not there’s so much proof that he will end up dying in sovengarde and as well that he’s legit basically untouchable by Hermas
Emporer Titus Mede the 2nd: When you put like that....yes.
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This is probably the closest we will get to the actual 2nd great war, since in ES6 they will probably skip it entirely. Really enjoyed the video!
Nemenon hopefully they won't skip it and it would be nice if they didn't skip it you could join in on the war
XXRedDawnXX that would be fucking awesome it’s set in HAMMERFELL it’s could be another high elf invasion and the redguards fighting back that’d be the best go redguarfs
King Manny yeah it would be like the skyrim civil war but with everything Bethesda planned for it so you could lose city battles and and you could sabotage enemy messages or cut the strings on catapults or replace the entire army's spears with brooms and helmets with kettles
*C U R V E D S W O R D S*
Nemenon judging from the es6 trailer I'd say it takes place in wayrest. So my story prediction is that the empire will continue to fall apart and that the region of wayrest will become independent
I don't agree with this prediction. Considering the Aldmeri Dominion was able to surprise an unprepared Empire in the first Great War and only won at best a minor victory after extensive planning and resources were invested into the war. Just shows how strong the Empire still is. And considering most Imperial citizens want revenge against the elves, I'd say it's not unlikely that another war is being planned by the Empire to regain the right to worship Talos and more. Now if the Aldmeri Dominion only won a minor victory against the Empire with full surprise and planning, Imagine how it would go if the Empire prepared for a war against the Aldmeri Dominion? Now of course it's easier to defend. But the Empire never really defended well against the Aldmeri Dominion as they bypassed most of the defences watching Valenwood. And in open battle, they either drew or won. None of the Aldmeri Dominions advantages, particularly in Cyrodil were held for very long. So in terms of better ability to fight and win, I'd hand it to the Empire. Only reason they didn't continue, was because their resources were stretched thin from pushing the elves back, and decided to cut their losses and keep as much as possible in order to fight the elves again in the future when they are better prepared. Now you have to ask about the inter-war period. Which race has the ability to recover faster? The answer is the Empire hands down. Humans reproduce far faster than elves. And whilst they might not be as proficient as elves as elves can spend a lifetime of a human learning to fight, within that lifetime several generations of humans would have been born, died and been trained to an acceptable level. I highly doubt 1 elven warrior could take on 10 legionaries at once. You also have to consider how costly the war was for each side. For the Empire it resulted in a loss of manpower, resources and the sacking of the Imperial city, manpower which can of course be replaced quickly as well as the replacement of resources and the rebuilding of the Imperial city due to more manpower. For the Aldmeri Dominion the war cost manpower and resources. Manpower for the elves is far more precious compared to that of the Empire, and without extensive manpower, you can't dedicate many to replenishing resources. Inevitably unless the elves nuke Cyrodil or something, in a protracted war the Empire will win.
This, and another thing to consider: the dunmer would not sit by while the Aldmeri Army marched so near Velothi lands. Yes, I know, the Altmer are not in Morrowind. However, they’re still too close. Some will say that Morrowind is ruined from the Red Year but, that is not supported by lore, nor does it make sense from a geological perspective. Lower Morrowind was invaded at that time by Argonian forces. Those forces were stopped by Dunmer armies. This means the Dunmer are present in lower Morrowind and are capable of waging war, successfully.
I also do not believe that Black Marsh would risk ANY army, no matter the promises, to march through their lands. The Altmer, on average, are not kind to the beast races. The Argonians are very aware of this. No promise could outweigh the risk posed by an army that, once significantly established within, might never leave. Also, the Imperial accounts of marching through the middle of Blackmarsh prove out the hostility of the region. If the Empire couldn’t do it, the Dominion wouldn’t survive it, either. So, the Aldmeri forces would be forced to march upward along the coast, which would not go unnoticed.
One last thing, once the Skyrim Civil War was accomplished, quite a lot of Nord Forces loyal to the Empire, would be deployed into “soft” regions, like the contested areas of this video’s southwestern map. This scenario doesn’t take into account the Dunmer and the Nords contributions. Even if the Dunmer aren’t loyal subjects of the Empire, they’re not going to want the Aldmeri Dominion to settle so close the their sacred lands, as I’m sure Azura, Mephala and Boethia... especially Boethia, would probably have something to say about it. The Dunmer certainly wouldn’t want a Dominion victory. So, this scenario is unrealistic in its presumptions. Though, I think the author has made that opinion clear. Fun to speculate, though 😃
Also, despite their superior life span elves are not really better warriors. They have a magical advantage but humans are better warriors generally.
Also it would be funny if they developed nuclear weapons and nuked the empire
yeah true but first great war the elves had that orb so I would not be surprised if they just some how got a nuke
It is being planned, Tullius himself is
I dont think that the armies would be evently matched, as humans breed faster and their armies are bigger
And empire has one of best standard army in tamriel
Having a bigger army doesn’t necessarily give the empire an advantage taking into consideration the existence of magic and the thalmors natural affinity for it. Ya know, AoE fire balls and green thunder strikes that blow open the walls of the imperial city
@@damonybarra8014 They didn't win the first war because of magic (it was because of vaermina's orb) and imperial mage are as skilled if not better than their aldmeri counterparts. One more thing after the orb was destroyed the aldmeri army was absolutely crushed in the battle of the Red ring.
I’d say the biggest advantage Thalmor have are their experience. An army of high elves consisting of long lived masters of the sword would be very challenging if they could get close
@@josevelazquez5721 yea but man power would win out
Elven trousers shall be shat once the Empire brings its artillery to bear
What kind of artillery? Empire has trebuchets and cannons, but they both are trumped by battlemages in a major way. Main use is to set them at castle, where crew is in a semblance of safety (IIRC thats how Redguards repelled Aldmeri fleet). Or in sieges, duh. Also, I think most people ignore the fact that its Empire that forced Levitation ban. Aldmeri mages can fly. Like Telvanni. But Telvanni are not pro-imperial, they dont give a shit. Empire can be in a pickle if we count flying fireball slingers.
Still think that Empire wins tho. Legions are brutally effective at what they do, and with due preparations... There are not as many great mages in Dominion as many cohorts Empire has. Plus, Bretons are pro-Empire still, and are literally counters to Altmers, given that they are good mages resistant to magic, when elves are great mages succeptible to magic. In some regards Bretons can even rival Telvanni mages, the only advantage meric races have - is longevity and complimentary impressive experience.
If we adhere to common logic, then in order to achieve the trebuchet, the Empire first had to understand the counterweight and the torsion powers. Therefore it's not really a stretch of the imagination to say that prior to fielding trebuchets, ballistae and mangonels were equally commonplace, and probably far more so given their easier making.
A polybolos, or a 'repeating ballistae', was a creation born from the discovery of flat-linked chains and torsion-power, and with the metallurgies of ES, would be even more powerful than their real-world counterparts. Consider how great a threat the Dwemer sentinels are with their crossbows. Now, make those fire 11 times a minute, and give them the range and power to skewer a man in full plate at a hundred yards.
A curious thing about gunpowder weapons, is that even when cannons had only just appeared in Europe, the Ribault was a very close second in terms of timing. You'd be hardpressed to find any mage in Tamriel bar the strongest of battlemages, who could conjure up a ward capable of stopping eight to thirty-six cannonballs the size of a tennisball, being fired in rapid succession down a narrow path like, say, a bridge.
You cannot churn out battlemages by the scores, but you can churn out the above, to great results.
100th like and I found your comment hilarious!
Prime Tyrant they could could get the rapid fire onagers
I read this as artillery bears
honestly if Titus Mede II just has a high speech skill he can persuade the Dominion to surrender and there won't be bloodshed
I get a feeling that the dark botherhood quest line will be a thing and Titus won’t have much of a speech skill (or any other skills) to matter in the war. Weather or not it was your character that did it or a faceless assassin doesn’t really matter.
@@chase1146 Would the Last Dragonborn do the bidding of Sithis in canon lore? No shot.
The Schlieffen Plan was from WW1, not WW2. You probably got confused because those major fortifications on the French border were indeed due to a previous war. It's just that was the Franco-Prussian war if I remember right.
I meant to say ww1, but apparently I said it wrong. Sorry!
WafflingMean44 Well, technically the Schlieffen plan originally was to invade the Natherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg.
It was updated around the turn of the Century, and excluded the Natherlands, because Germany was going to use it as a was to get supply's.
In World War 2: I think it was reviats, and this time the original plan was put in place.
It happened to work because Blitzkrieg was head of it's time.
In TES: The Aldmeri Dominion (AD) would have to go around The Empire's Wall. (I wounder if Trump was the Emperor) Anyways, if the AD Army was weaker what's stopping the Empire from steam roll them? Really the Empire is just holding it's self back.
WafflingMean44 The Maginot Line was constructed after WW1. Elsass-Lothringen/Alsace-Lorraine, an ethnically German territory where the French built the Maginot Line, belonged to Germany 1871-1918 (and in practice in 1940-44).
FulmenTheFinn Exactly/ tout à fait
WafflingMean44 no he was right in a way, the schlieffen plan was in WW1 but the maginel line was there because of WW1 and instead of the nazis going through the line they went through Belgium. The Germans did this twice once in WW1 and once in WW2 the only difference is in WW1 they failed and WW2 they succeeded and took control of France
16:08 If I was an Aldmiri commander I would be extremely worried about my supply lines. In this scenario Black Marsh is a shaky ally at best and even then getting supplies in adequate amounts through all those swamps wouldn't be an easy task
The_Drop Bear If armies used portals all the time there would be literally no need for a giant defensive building up on the southern territory of cyrodil. Nor would there be a need for much of a navy apart from naval sieges. Portals are mainly for gameplay reasons, not lore.
The_Drop Bear You’re comments make barely any sense. The first Great War I don’t believe ever made use of portals or they would need no navy to transport troops across to the mainland.
The_Drop Bear I think it is generically for gameplay or only extraordinarily skilled mages could do it. If it was as simple as every mage doing it then the Great War would be completely different. And as I’ve said twice have no need for a navy for transportation. Or for that fact trade. Which we know is not true.
Maybe the altmeri forces could live off the land like. Napoleon
@jackakakreanxx5587 Not likely. I can't speak of how it appears in other depictions, but in the game Oblivion that region is pretty desolate. I remember it being very swampy, hilly, and devoid of almost all settlements except small cabins. Not really good farmable land. I may be wrong as it was my least favourite part of the Cyrodiil map so i have the least experience with it. As you get more northern in the Niben Basin closer to the Heartlands there's definitely more farmable area, but the best you can really rely for food during the early weeks of the war is fish and more dangerous wildlife, which is unpredictable on when you can encounter them and frankly a lot more time consuming than raiding a farm and looting it's bread.
This scenario relies a lot on Blitzkrieg tactics (for lack of a better term) and really requires heavy gains early on. Hunting, Foraging, and Fishing in an area like this would make the Aldmeri forces slow to a snails pace, they'd need reliable supply lines to keep on schedule and a smaller force to secure them, because (in this scenario) if they lose their supply lines before reaching the heartlands or Cheydinhall, I'm pretty sure the war is pretty much over as the empire just waits for the main force to starve to death
I would say that it takes way longer to capture a walled city like Cheydinhal than just 2-3 days. Maybe if the walls are breached fast enough but then still a full attack from Aldmeri forces with still just defending city-guards would cost too much lossees on the Aldmeri side that it would be worth it.
If the Aldmeris still would have done it, It would make that army crippled + having to garrison a fortified city would really stretch out a already crippled army.
and it would also be extremely hard for the dominion to take cheydinhal, since to the south of it is a huge steep ledge overlooking the corbolo river
Shacka when the walls fell
Corrections so far:
- Distances: Using TES Arena we actually have a more accurate measure of time. One should take about 2x my current distances. [Correction by Razak Loremaster]
- First Great War: At the end of Red Ring the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was defeated. We dont have records of what happened to the rest, probably destroyed with the main army, but we dont have sources saying this [Correction by Grandmaster Jauffre]
- The Imperial army could burn just the bridges and then the speculation could no longer be true, since that would significantly slow an Aldmeri advance. This speculation is completely dependent on a swift attack [Correction by Pietro Griffindio]
Imperial Knowledge one major outcome at the end of the battle of red ring. the dominions most experienced and distinguished generals were killed. that is huge.
Imperial Knowledge Got a question I forgot something is HammerFell is a enemy of Imperils right xd
No, I suggest you watch my hammerfell video. I explain the entire situation there
Imperial Knowledge ok.
Their Enemies with the Aldmeri Dominion and maybe Hostile with Imperials but not enemies with them.
I think The Aldmeri Dominion has a better Naval Force but The Empire has a better Army. When it comes to Magical Power the Aldmeri Dominion has the upper hand but The Empire may have better footsoldiers with the likes of The Orsimer being in The Legion as mentioned in Skyrim.
Think France vs the UK/England through history.
Sylvanas Windrunner Ok. I see what you mean
The dominion does have orcs. Wood orcs from Valenwood. Also their magic is better than anyone else's. High elves also have knights.
Cordiel Direnni Longbows were a counter to French knights so it’s a failed analogy if that’s what you were getting at.
Cordiel Direnni Altmer made better use of their battlemages than knights
Also massively depends on the Argonians willingness to help the Dominion as well as the fact that if they do, the Empire would gain the the support of at least some of Morrowind as Morrowind lost territory to the Argonians when they invaded.
I was about to say something like that. While Morrowind would not be directly willing to ally with the empire, there may be some voices among the people to do so, specially if the argonians play in favor of the Dominion, the Dunmeri armies invade Northern Argonia for their lost territories during the Red Year and by doing so, they distract a portion of the argonian troops that might be strengthening the lands conquered in Southeastern Cyrodiil.
Also, if the empire falls, I doubt the Dunmer would be as foolish as to ignore that they might be the next because of being exactly the opposite to the Altmer, a "cursed", Daedra worshipping race that once split from their Altmeri roots. Maybe house Hlaalu would be willing to accept their new rulers, but I don't see the more traditionalist houses (house Dres would be drooling at the idea of invading Argonia too) and the ashlander people accepting this.
The Argonians would never ally with the Dominion. They know what the Dominion would do to them.
@@galacticknight55544The Hist knows the Thalmor can not be trusted. The Thalmor plan involves destroying the world and eradicating everyone who isn't an elf in order to achieve godhood. They have the potential to become a worse problem than the Oblivion Crisis.
@@hypernova3527House Hlaalu are still very much imperial symphatizers even after being thrown out of the Great House council and House Dres would definetly advocate invasion of Argonia with Imperial support if Blackmarsh allies with Dominion
You gotta remember that in the infernal city (canon btw) attrebus mentioned that it would take about 20 days to get from rimmen to morrowind. Tamriel is way bigger than gameplay
We could use your help in this upcoming war
1. I don't think the Argonians would negotiate with the Aldmeri Dominion do to the fact that they were once enslaved by Elves.
2. The Empire could support a Khajiit Rebellion.
3. The Albmeri Dominion mite win, unless you have a character that can choose to either help the High Elves or the Imperials.
Serpentgrad sounds like your just basing this off of if the next game takes place during the Great War with #3
Serpentgrad that’s what I meant, your basing it off if the next game takes place during a 2nd Great War.
Gerath TV Oh sorry about that, but ya I hope it does.
Serpentgrad the argonians didn't even try to fight back the dunmer
Serpentgrad what does that mean the argonians didn't try to stop they would be crushed by the Empire or the aldmeri Dominion
I have to think it's unlikely that the Aldmeri would deploy so much of their forces to launch an attack from that direction. They would have their own borders at risk of an Imperial invasion as soon as the Imperial generals understand the situation.
Imagine the logistics too, the invading force would have practically no supply route until the way has been cleared through lower Nibenay.
A smaller force could use this approach to cut the Yellow road and potentially hold three rivers between Leyawiin and reinforcements, which would be useful if the Aldmeri attacked in the south.
Yeah I know, however I found it an interesting angle. Since there is almost nothing we can say about an attack on south cyrodiil since it is so heavily fortified and thus very well protected. And we do not know enough specifics to speculate any weakspots.
So I decided to go in this direction, eventhough it is an unlikely one.
But the dominion attacking at all is unlikely at best, since they are equal strength. So the thalmor would probably fight a war of information and influence instead of a land war
It is an interesting idea. If I had to plan an attack for the Thalmor, I'd send enough forces the way you suggested to take and hold the Silverfish river and push the main force from Elsweyr to Bravil. Cut Leyawiin off and it will fall by itself in time.
That is, if they have the numbers to attack and the Empire hasn't fortified Bravil particularly much in anticipation of this plan and passing through Black Marsh is an option... It really is more likely that the Thalmor don't attack at all unless they gain some kind of an advantage we don't know of yet.
Speculation is fun.
Keep in mind, though, that this is fantasy. Normally I hate it when fantasy treats magic like some kind of omnipotent force that's the solution to everything, but I think in this case it might be excused. Maybe the Dominion makes use of some magical way to keep their troops supplied.
I thought about that, but I don't remember anybody pulling anything like that off before in the lore, so I decided to dismiss the idea. Not saying it's impossible, though, and such ability could just be the unforeseen advantage they need.
(if something like that has been done, please, let me know)
Cheating with magic has happened before. Read about the "Warp in the West".
In the first 'great war' The Elves relied on a Daedric artifact, their whole campaign depended on it, So I think that if they tried for a second time, they would probably have some other magical item to help them in their campaign.However, going through Argonian territory is also very plausible.
Correction: the schlieffen plan was the WW1 plan for an invasion through belgium. In ww2, they invaded not only belgium, but luxembourg and the netherlands as well. Unlike ww1, The french had indeed fortified their northern border in ww2 so they broke the less fortified ardennes forest.
Also i belive that since the Empire is largely inspired/based upon the Roman empire, looking at roman military tactics would be useful in videos like this. :)
I know, just wanted to keep this video under 30 mins. The original featured an imperial counter offensive and a siege plan for ever city.
But the recording was 67 minutes, which is objectively too long
Imperial Knowledge you should have split up
The Thalmor have absolutely no intentions of starting a war, they will only fight once they’ve already won, They will do this by balkanising all of their opposition until it is like shattered glass, with city vs city, village vs village and family against family. Then they will roll in their army that will be like a brush sweeping aside the shattered and bickering humans.
The only thing that can save Tamriel is if the Thalmor are FORCED to attack.
But despite this, Good video man, wished you do more. :)
Hey guys! Let me know what you think of the new animations of the troops! I personally like the new touch to map videos. Should I remake my old map videos to be more like this one?
Imperial Knowledge i really like the map. The icons to display mountians and marshs is a nice touch as well as the city locations, line of border fortesses and especially random war camps placed about in logical locations. I think that the abondoned forts we see in oblivion would be re-maned with small garrisons in anticipation of invasion so maybe marking those would be a good idea if you mame a part 2. Updated videos would be nice but personally i dont think it is to necessary if it turned out to be a big hassle. :)
Imperial Knowledge Yeah, likr the prev guy said about mountains and whatnot. But you never used them as if they are strategic points, how about the empire just destroyed one of the bridges? Forcing the aldmeri to travel through large mountains and suffer heavy casualties. These kinds of things should have been considered.
i loved the map.... there honestly my favorite videos by you
Imperial Knowledge I think the khajit should have a greater part because they have massive war cats and are pretty awesome spies and assassins. Amazing video!
I still thing HighRock could turn the tide here? If Bretons/Orcs side Empire a blitz can break Aldmer Dominion. If reverse this can undo Empire for good.
The empire has a dragonborn again. Enough said.
Stormcloaks? Is the empire victory in skyrim canon?
A BunchOfRandomLettersToMakeA Name no it’s not canon people just say that without it being confirmed
@@haydencantthink it is going to happen regardless due to the fact an actual Imperial legion is right outside of Skyrim, and will arrive to either fully finish the rebellion, or to kill Ulfric and retake the providence. It's canon in all but name.
Even if the stormcloaks won you really think Ulfric can take on the high elves? Nah....
The Dwemer are coming
yeah if hes still alive. the gap between games is usually hundreds of years (edit: not usually but if oblivion and skyrim are anything to go off of its safe to assume it will be a 100 years at least)
If we get to fight in the Second Great War in Elder Scrolls 6, I hope we get to see (and possibly get to be a part of) a Shield Wall.
I personally subscribe to the North American size for Tamrael. The game of Dagger fall took place in an area the size of the U.K. All of High Rock wasn't used or explored in the game.
Well it turns out one can actually calculate it with arena. Oops
Imperial Knowledge everything I said is from second hand sources, if it's wrong my apologies. Very good video btw. Enjoyed every minute of it.
Kaiser Wilhelm II Kaiser Sppiget of Arms plays Skyrim?
Frist Name Last Name crazy huh!
Kaiser Wilhelm II you said something completely pointless
I can't imagine The Dominion blitzing from Blackmarsh through a Bottleneck between a river and a mountain region and push across 3 rivers, rivers are natural barriers that a defense force can easily dig into.
Even if The Dominion was met with minimum resistance, they still have to move a large amount of troops and their caravans across these rivers.
You have to secure your flanks and your six to ensure your supply chain doesn't get cut off and you can provide reinforcements, you also need to leave garrisons behind to secure logistics routes.
They would have to lockdown the entire southwest region before making a push like that or they risk decimation
everything is way smaller in the games
daggerfall: am i a joke to you?
daggerfall in game is smaller than the imperial city canonically.
An invasion through Blackmarsh would never work. The other races of Tamriel can baerly survive on the outskirts, yet your talking about marching tens of thosounds of troops through. Never mind the fact that the Dominion would some how ahve to equip, suply and feed that army without any viable land route... It would be a logistical nightmare the likes of which has never been seen. Nevermind the fact rapid strikes that is the basis of your plan requires nice, easy to march through territory, not boggy, marshy wasteland that would do as much damage to your army throug attrtion then an enemy assault would, and would massively slow down the armys ability to speed march to quickly aqquire territory to defend before the EMpire coul react. Furhtermore by pulling sufficent numbers of troops into attacking what is essentially the useless wasteland of Cyrodil, you would be weakening the defences around the only two assets the Dominion has in Tamriel, Valenwood and Elsywr, allow for an Imperial incursion. Having laods of forts is useless if they can simply be surrounded by and starved out due to sufficent numbers of their troops having been moved an entire province away... And finally... There is no way possible the Dominion coudl surpise attack the Empire through Blackmarsh. Like I previously said the only parts the Dominion troops could even surive in is the coast line, meaning you would have tens of thsoounds of people musterd quite visibly along the coast. Nevermidn the fact that to supply and feed that army you would need to transport thosounds of tons of food for several years, espeically if you went ahead with the isnane plan of using merchant ships to ferry troops, which would take a signficant amount of time because you could only garry a couple lof dozen every trip or it would be obivous what is happening. Furthermore the only viable area of coastline the Dominion could land on that would allow for tranport into Cyrodil is Blackmarshes Western Coast... Which means going into sea routes controlled by the Empire, and likely with spot searches commited by the Imperial Navy to ensure things like this does not happen, probably under the guise of 'Searching for Controband'. I like the idea you have tried to do. But it seems that you are not qwuite fully consideirng the full scope of your plans in conjunction with both the realities of warfare - like the abusrd amount of food or water an army of just ten thosound would consume every week even with severe rationing, or the full nature of the sitaution in Tamriel - both polictcally, militarily or geographucally, and how taht would effect any possible campaign.
Nope, sorry mate, but I got to the 3/4 through this video and was just laughing my head off at how little you consider. Are you really telling me that the in your mind the Dominion, having already weakend its army by splliting 70% of it off to Blackmarsh to Invade Cyrodil, is going to try and breakthrough the Imperial defensiive lines - which are still better fortified because they hve more troops than the Aldmeri do along the border, with only like 70% of there own defensive army going to counter attack th Thalmor... I mean you said the Imperial Army is larger than the DOminion, so not only would that tiny Dominion force me attacking a nnumerically superior force, but it would also be assulting what is, according to you, a very powerful line of defensive forteffactions? The IMperials have numbericalk supeortiy, Defensive foritfactions. And they are the defenders... And yet there apparently are easily swept away? And then they dont counter attack, and basicly comeptlly take Valenwood nad Elsweyr fron the Dominion because apprently the DOminion has comeptlly drained all its garrisons into this one, ditched suciidal assault on the imperial defensive line in the East? I liek you, but if you ever want to make a video like this again, you Need to learn far more about warfare, create a better and more logical script to check for errors, consistency issues or just things that make no sense, and generally just get a better strategic mind that truly understands the istuation you have set yourself. BEcause to be brutally honest? The content of this video just seems stupid.
Tl;dr. You could have just said the last sentence and saved yourself the trouble. It’s a huge speculation which most don’t have the time for and that he tried and got this far is admirable. Frankly, no one knows how it would truly know as we have far too little knowledge of their military force and logistical concerns.
@Sam Lim I doubt it would be a logistical nightmare considering the Dominion is adept in magic and will likely have people teleporting or gating back HQ for supplies
KraNis Where is there mention of teleportation used by mortals in elder scrolls lore and games? The only time I experienced teleportation in the games was for daedric quests in oblivion and Skyrim. Also, even if teleportation was possible, I doubt that the elves could teleport small groups, much less an entire army. You could argue that the elves can use water walking and invisibility, but imagine the resources that elven high command would have to waste to teach every soldier a certain spell. You really shouldn’t argue magic because nobody knows how it works or how it can be used for armies and transportation of thousands.
@@derman-ps6re Well you have spells like Recall and Intervention in Morrowind... But they do seem to be more of a 'one off' kind of thing on a small scale. Plus whilst recall is a spell, its purely defensive, and intervention is mired in religion of both the Nine Divines and ALMSIVI. Even then, they take you to pre-set destinations instead of simply allowing you to appear in the middle of nowhere...
In Oblivion the mages guild shows a limited ability for teleportaion magic with the teleportation pads, but these are once again highly limited and don't seem very practical for large scale purposes.
In Skyrim, as far as I recall, we have no examples of teleportation magic as a surving art outside of Daedric powers having some fun (And thats more of a manifestation of power and will than magic as mortals would understand it).
Heres my honest take - The High Elves are incredibly powerful magically and likely can pull of teleportaion magic to some degree. But even Morrowind under the height of the Living Gods (Who would far outstretch Aldmeri society in power) proved susceptible to moral armies, so clearly large scale teleportation, making armies move around (quite literally like magic) is impossible (Because the Remans would have been totally raped when they tried to invade Morrowind instead of fighting several times to a stand still. Teleportation is just totally op in terms of warfare).
I mean... Just imagine Septims conquest of the Alinor. Numidium arrives on the island... And a small corp of Aldemri mages just teleports themselves to places like the White-Gold tower and assassinate the entire Imperial Court & Elder Council, all of the Septim family, the Generals of the Legions and so on.
We cannot prove teleportation of armies impossible because we do see examples of teleportation magic in the universe... but when its something that would basically make the entire universe collapse in on itself as people can constantly point out a scenario where it should have and could have been used, you have to presume that it is impossible for the universe to even make some degree of internal sense.
Man wrote a whole essay 💀💀😭
I know it'd be difficult, but the Imperials should seriously make an effort to reach out to the Maomer to try and coordinate an attack. Even just to point out how vulnerable the Altmer would be when they're fully engaged with the Imperials and the Maomer should use the opportunity to attack their territories.
Yes, howeverr, we dont know what they are up to. There must be a reason why we never heard of them anymore, and that is probably because they either have a deal with the thalmor or because they are simply too weak to even consider attackinh
also alinor would be open to a Redgaurd counter offensive.
Benjamin Carlini Dependant on the Redguard navy. We know that the Thalmor had a strong navy in the first Great War and as an island nation Navy is paramount in the transportation of troops and also the defence of an island.
I always thought why they didn't faster
I think The Empire might try to hire The Argonian's or The Redguard's as Mercanaries but it would depend if Skyrim is independant. If Skyrim is Independant then there could be a chance of A Nord-Redguard Team up.
Not a chance , the nords tried to invade the redguards once... They are still enemyes.
Alex's MadneS I think he’s trying to say that it’s an enemy of my enemy kind of situation. If they both did team up then they have a chance of getting High Rock involved, which would give that alliance the magic prowess of the Bretons, the natural swordsmanship skill of the Redguards, and the brute force and power of the Nords. Also, while I do agree that it is highly unlikely, since Skyrim is also technically the homeland of the Orcs they could feel threatened by the Aldmeri Dominion, but once again that is a bit of a long shot
@@measnek1052 The enemy of my enemy is just another person who wants to slit my throat, that analogy is a myth.
@@ASTRA1564 not really lmao, The Soviet Union and the west despised each other, but teamed up to stop Nazism and Japanese Imperialism, that is a large and recent example of the “myth” taking place
@@alexionut2158 hundreds of centuries apart
Amazing video :) Personally, I think that the Altmer will infiltrate the Empire, inserting a gigolo close to the Emperor who will convert him to the High Elve's cause.
Personally I don't really see how the empire can lose. The Aldmeri forces relied on the orb of Vaermina to progress and once they lost that they faltered at every step. They suffered heavy casulties that compared to a human population will take much longer to replenish, humans breed way faster than altmer. The moment the empire managed to shake off the enemies element of surprise they won at every turn, now they are prepared they don't even have that. It is also theorised that the situation in valenwood and elsweyr isn't great politically. A possible rebellion in valenwood would hamper any war.
So the best the Aldmeri dominion could do is a stalemate and only if they are very, very lucky. Also don't forget the impact of the knightly orders of Cyrodiil could have on the war; the Knights of the Nine are a rather large order close to where the fighting is and though they said that they will not participate in the secular wars of men, I would technically count this as a race war to defend humanity from elven-kind, which is part of the knightly order's dogma. Their history is not mentioned after Oblivion but I would think that they wouldn't be bothered so much as they aren't a part of the imperial army and therefore not able to be touched by the White-Gold concordat except through the Talos-worship aspect, which they weren't entirely solid about in the first place. Furthermore, attacking Cheydinhal would have the Knights of the Thorn join in the defense, not sure how much good they'd do but every sword would make a difference. And finally just throw the knights of the white stallion in there just for lols.
Jonathan Wells the Knights of the Nine has been disbanded since the Great War, with the abolition of Talos worship. It even seems that a fallen Knight of the Nine can be found at the coast of the Sea of Ghosts in Skyrim
@@gellartwigglewallop6228 Where is your evidence for this?
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If bethesda will not release TESVI
2nd great war will start
I think we might see the Empire fund the war in Hammerfell or fund an uprising in Elsweyr. It would be sensible to fight a proxy war in which your enemy expends troops and you don’t. Just like the Dominion did in Skyrim.
IF, and that’s a big if, Titus II had himself assassinated a new emperor would have more to offer a rebellion than Titus did. Freeing up the Redguard troops was a pretty cunning plan and elves take longer to replenish their armies than humans do and Khajiits breed like cats so if they lose Elsweyr the dominion will be on the defensive.
If he assassinated himself hammerfell might want to rejoin the empire. Since the few there that still have bitterness against the empire, they have it against titus personally because it were his orders to abandon.
The general left a lot of soldiers there against titus's orders, showing hammerfell that the imperials did care for them
Titus just did not in their view.
So a new emperor would have more credibility in hammerfell
I thought I might add a little about if the Dominion tried to invade Chedinhal. (Forgive me if I spelled it wrong.) But it is known for having good alteration spell users as well. A tactic that was used in the war against the Ayleids was getting above and on top of house to attack troops on the ground at night and breathing under water in the river then come up and attack troops at night as well. Though this didn’t stop the invasion. It did take long to about three days to find out what was happening to the troops and put a stop to it. Just an idea but I understand if it didn’t matter in this speculation.
that bit about the merchant ships was pretty clever. I can tell you really put some thought and detail in this.
Let's not forget that whoever won the Skyrim civil war will join the empire in attacking the Dominion. Even if the Stormcloaks win, Ulfric isn't stupid, he'd know that the Dominion cannot win a second war and so he'd send as many Nords as he could to help the empire as an ally. If the Empire won the civil war, then general Tullius now has a sizeable army of battle-hardened veterans to reinforce the southern Imperial armies. In either case, the Nords would enlist en masse to defeat the Dominion and end the ban on Talos worship. Once the civil war has ended, the Thalmor either need to attack very quickly or face a far stronger Empire.
Benjamin Dunne the empire also wants to allow thalos worship
I wonder if the Dragonborn will be involved in the war
Aye, I will be
I'll always be down to fight some knife ears
15:51 I don't know, I feel like once the Empire realizes most of the Aldmeri army is east of the Niben, they might try to gamble and attack with all their border forces into Valenwood and Elsweyr, to try and smash through the weakened defense and quickly take over both provinces, thereby cutting off the army in Cyrodiil and forcing an Aldmeri Dominion surrender.
I think that if the Empire win the skyrim civil war, they have a huge advantage against the AD. Any long war will see the populations of skyrim and High rock happily mobalised against elven forces and the inevitable defeat of the AD in a war of attrition.
Nords vs kajit in a meele battle? I think the nords will win that. Or what about kajjit vs orcs?
Benjamin Carlini Skyrim must be FREE!
Frist Name Last Name they can leave when we win against the elves
@@VioletMilks What if the Stormcloaks where Communists at heart?
I think the Empire would likely have access to the Dragonborn so I think while this could be the first half of the war, I think the rest of the war would be the Empire pushing back the Aldemeri with the help of the Dragonborn, maybe even sailing to the Summerset Isles
I really want Balgruuf to be High King. I want, as well, the Stormcloaks and Imperials to team up against the Thalmor.
I would make a good High King indeed
Doesnt sound canon or right unless stormcloaks win the civil war if the empire won they’re wouldnt be any help
@@ireangel9210 I don't understand your logic. Your saying that if the Imperials and Stormcloaks joined forces, there would be no help? So the Stormcloaks alone have to win? Thus reducing the amount of soldiers?
The Empire wants the Aldmeri Dominion to fall just as bad as the Stormcloaks. All they need is time to make a plan and amass manpower. The Thalmor know this, so they allow the Stormcloaks to continue the civil war. It keeps the Empire occupied.
And I'm sure there would be plenty of other provinces willing to take up arms and join the effort to drive the Dominion out of their homes. Hammerfell, for instance. The Redguards HATE the Thalmor. They had their own war against the Dominion after the Empire surrendered. They actually won! The Dark Elves and Argonians might be willing to even reform the Ebonheart Pact to drive the Dominion back to the Summerset Isles. The Dark Elves would love to hit the Thalmor square in the nose because the High elves see them as lessers. The Argonians have the advantage of neither the Empire or the Dominion being able to get very far into their province do to the treacherous swamps. But the Dominion will still try to get further. They might not get very far for a while, but eventually they will. Perhaps they'll threaten to burn down the Hist trees to force the Argonians to accept full subjugation.
Awesome prediction vid! Your work is really impressive. In my opinion, I think you are right. Blackmarsh will have an important role in a case of a second great war.
The dragonborn would just level the entire Aldmerri army at the last second and save the day
Indeed I will
1.Befriend the Maomer
2.Have them troll Summer Set as per past time
3.???
4.Profit
Idk...there are so many variables coming out of TESV that make speculating about a second great Tamrielic war difficult. Skyrim remaining loyal has obvious huge implications. The return of Dragons could a wrench on both sides.
The An Xileel and the Dominion? Nice speculation and thanks for the video :p
What did you think of my animation skils? :P
Imperial Knowledge i think the animations are pretty good because it is easier to underatand the Troop Marshing :p
I don’t like how the Hammerfell/Skyrim border is not really blocked by mountains. A straight shot into Skyrim through Falkreath Hold. That’s if the Redguards can’t hold back the Thalmor, Nords will have to plug that entrance.
Why does the Empire have control over small sections of Morrowind? I don't think House Redoran would let the empire occupy Dunmer Land.
Because in name morrowind is still part of the empire, but they are independent in every other aspect. And to our knowledge there are no troops left in morrowind.
However IF it is true that in NAME they are still part of the empire, it is my belief that there must be some forts or something near the border.
But it is all speculation really, I could be wrong
The_Drop Bear they didn’t fully push the Argonians out ugh every dunmer fan makes this mistake
The_Drop Bear Then why is southern Morrowind still occupied by the Argonians in lore?
The moment the Empire catches on that its agents are disappearing they'll know the war has begun
Litterely my Skyrim character could beat the entire almeri army by itself and the help of his 2 dragons sworn to fight with him and his lydia who is ready at every moment to carry some burdens
Why doesn't the Aldmeri just take the army that took over Bravil and Leyawin and surround the imperial army at the bridge? You would essentially break the stalemate, wipe out the imperial main army and secure your supply lines in one fell swoop.
I'm a fan of the Khajiit so of course I'd support the taking of Bravil and Leyawiin. I'm not really a fan of the Dominion though so it's a double-edged sword.
This took months to make? That's amazing! I can't believe you don't have more subscribers!
Wouldn't they also call on the Bosmer and Khajiit as Client states to also attack and seperate Imperial forces? I would think the Dominion would also offer to help the An-Xileel take revenge on the Dunmer and help suppress them as well.
The Thalmor would try disrupting their forces before attacking right?
Bosmer and Khajiit will be integrated in the main army probably, like in the first war.
And probably they could help the an xileel.
However the argonians are not interested in another morrowind advance, they are nationalists and just want the swamp, because they think that was blackmarsh once. And they have the swamp. And they already have their revenge
Titus Mede 2nd is dead…. 💀
( every faction quest line was completed by someone
Could you do an alternate version of a 2nd Great War with the Stormcloak’s victory? After-Civil War Skyrim and allies vs Aldmeri Dominion and allies
Nobody thinks stormcloak victory will be a long term victory. Since they lost half of their manpower and even Galmar says he needs to train soldiers. Empire could easily take back the Skyrim. Otherwise theres no hope for mankind. Skyrim alone cant do any shit. Especially after losing that much people in civil war.
@@ladyselin35 is hammerfell not a thing? Or do you not know anything about the elder scrolls?
The stormcloaks would help the empire fight the dominion.
@@ladyselin35 You know, not everything is about what’s easier, but what’s right. And I think the secret truth to Skyrim’s story, is that there’s hope no matter the problem. Alduin, the World-Eater, was supposed to fulfill his destiny; but us the Dragonborn stopped the inevitable. And now that Alduin is defeated, the Dragonborn has fulfilled his part of the prophecy, only left to do what he can for Tamriel, more so his home. And so after defeating the World-Eater and his phony counterpart (Miraak), his next enemy is Skyrim’s Tyranny. With or without the Empire, the Dragonborn will extinguish the discrimination of his people, he has the power to do it and if the Empire insists on hiding, he will look towards the Stormcloaks. And I don’t know about you, but the Dragonborn leading the Stormcloaks to Skyrim independence sounds like a good story to me.
Regarding the baby boom comment at 5:05 the baby boom hit the entire world not just Europe
The dominion wouldn't attack as the situation stands though, they're playing the long game. They're actively trying to undermine the empire so it cracks before any invasion occurs, which is working. I think the result of the civil war in Skyrim ends, it also changes their plans. If the stormcloaks win, they will almost certainly NOT help the empire, since they just had a war against them and resentment piles up, and it would cut Highrock from Cyrodiil. It would be Cyrodiil vs the dominion, so the dominion would easily win. Remember that the real reason why the imperials managed to stop the dominion in the first war was because of nords and redguards. Now they have neither. If the empire wins the civil war, the dominion will keep breaking the empire apart little by little, since they're theoretically partners, they do have the empire on their hand with the concordat.
The Nords barely played a role in the Great War tho.
The Forgotten Hero Not really agree. They were one of the major legions still in tact that were participating in red ring
And @Sylvenas I know. I don't think they will attack, it was jusy requested to me to explore any possibilities of an attack
The nords were a major force. They were the ones who prevented the aldmeri retreat south, acting like an immovable wall of shields. That's why you run into so many great war veterans in Skyrim (Interestingly, they all seem to regret their actions, including the dominion one(s)). As for the attack, it will come eventually, but not a the situation stands. The dominion thinks the empire will not attack them, so they're prodding and poking for weaknesses, but when they find it they will attack. I think the video does a good job explaining what would happen right now, and it opens up the discussion of what *could* the dominion do to break the hurdles presented in this video, from non-militaristic points of view, like economics, or intelligence manipulation (feigning a gold coast attack, for instance, would cause all the imperial troops to be a couple weeks away from returning to the black marsh front, for instance). It also begs the question... since the Emperor is dead, what if the new emperor decides to attack the dominion instead?
The scenario presented in this video opens up the possibility of a TE6: black marsh. The empire attacking opens up TES6: Valenwood or Elsweyr. Maybe this attack through black marsh occurs, and the redguards take the chance to attack Summerset and the game is set in Summerset.
+Imperial Knowledge
The Nords were only used in two points at the war; 173 as reinforcements, and 175 for the Battle of the Red Ring, aside from that they did not fight.
The only reason they were still intact after the Battle of the Red Ring is because they were tasked with keeping the city surrounded. It were the Redguard, Breton, and Imperial Legions that took back the city, the Nords merely prevented an Aldmeri escape.
70% of the forces of the Dominion are ready for action in Black Marsh
If the Argonians/general ecology of Black Marsh wasn't enough to make that absolute suicide, the absolute insanity of the supply light required to sustain 70% of the Dominion's would.
All the empire needs to do is wait for the main dominion force to engage the Skyrim forces and then the imperial army can start a quick offensive across the bridge and burn down the one the dominion made it across and that would trap most of the dominion forces, as for the navy it would seem logical to have a part of the imperial fleet in breton territories, perhaps they could join the smaller fleet or launch a surprise invasion on the altmer island while the smaller fleet acts as a distraction. Also attaching siege equipment to merchant ships would really boots imperial naval supremacy as well. Maybe it's a sound plan or maybe I've been playing too much EU4.
There is another way of determining distance: boot up arena do a fast travel. IIRC it will give you a travel time.
I'm guessing for this, you're assuming the stormcloaks lost? Before I launch into a full tirade, everything you did cover seem logical enough, the split imperial fleets, size of Tamreil the time it takes to move armies, great graphics, citing ww2 strategies etc... But it seems like you are complexly discounting grand spells, that can do things like hiding whole armies, and that armies can and have, even in ancient times just built their own bridges in short periods of time, instead of only using preexisting ones. Lastly I know the Aldmeri dominion is on the offensive here, but not even Imperial counter offensives?
Imperial counter offensive was in the script. I just scaled down the video to when the Aldmeri advance would stop.
If I continued the video would be over 40 minutes long. And that is objectively too long.
And yes, they can build their own bridges, but that takes time. Something the AD does not have in this scenario since they have to capture as much strategic territory as fast as they can
About the stormcloak thing, Bethesda has already confirmed that the imperials winning is canon, you can find a note in an imperial fort or something. I would also suggest watching the lore video on it, I forgot who created it but a simple search should bring it up
@@anthonymigliaccio3492 Imperial Knowledge made a video on it.
@@anthonymigliaccio3492 that's dumb, why give the player choice when you rip it away in the sequel? But then again, Bethesda isn't as good as a company as CD project red, or old school bioware.
DCaladbolg or you can do what the Witcher 3, Dragon age, and mass effect games did...
Me a 15 year old with a level 200 Dragonborn fighting for the Empire in the Great War 2:
Elves: *andddddd were fucked*
Wouldn't Dominion merchant ships be trading FOR Argonian Ale rather than transporting it to Black Marsh?
The ships which took it to Alinor would still have to sail back to Blackmarsh...
Edit: I assume he means Argonian ships on the return back.
This is an interesting scenario.
My head canon is that the Dragonborn reunified Skyrim under the Empire, defeated Alduin, ended the Volkihar vampire threat, destroyed Miraak and wiped out the Dark Brotherhood for good measure.
After news of these exploits spread throughout Tamriel, and given his dragon blood he is immensely popular with the citizens of the Empire, Skyrim especially. He rides into the Imperial City cheered on by the common people, the guards dare not stop him. In exchange for his own life and that of his family, Titus Meade II an extremely unpopular ruler relinquishes his throne to the Dragonborn.
Hammerfell is approached without the Dominion's knowledge, to rejoin the Empire, to avenge the dead of the Great War.
Next the Emperor sends four legions to reclaim Morrowind's ancestral border with Black Marsh in exchange for their discreet loyalty.
A non-aggression pact is signed with the Argonians, their current government is extremely isolationist.
The Khajiit in Northern Elsweyr wish to be reunited with the south, the Emperor backs a popular coup of a pro-Imperial government and it succeeds after a year of brutal fighting. The Dominion has lost a valuable client state.
Valenwood is full of Wood Elves that resent their treatment under the Thalmor. The Dragonborn Emperor convinces the royal family to sabotage Dominion supply lines in the event of a mainland invasion. And join the war in earnest once Dominion forces are purged from Valenwood.
The Empire is now stronger than it's been in centuries, only now is the Emperor ready to reinstate the worship of Talos.
The 2nd Great War begins and The Empire (consisting of High Rock, Cyrodil, a unified Skyrim and now Hammerfell, Morrowind and Elsweyr) launches a series of blitzkrieg campaigns against Dominion forces garrisoned throughout the mainland. The heads of every Thalmor spy are sent back to Alinor as a token of thanks for the gift given to the Emperor in 4E 171.
The combined forces of the new Imperial Navy decisively destroys the Dominion navy and a blockade of the Summerset Isles is now in effect.
imagine if the DragonBorn was there in the War....
He would likely be in the War as long as he sides with the Imperials
@@evagel1548 so you mean he WILL be on the war then.
If the Dragonborn is alive when the war kicks off because since on one of the DLCs he/she learns to tame and ride dragons. He/she could use those said dragons, it would help the war effort for the Imperials because they can use air attacks to surprise the enemy. And plus the Dragonborn would be a huge signal to convince people to join in with the Empire. Since Talos (Tiber Septim) made the Empire that began the Third Era, Argonia (Black Marsh) and Hammerfell would back up the Empire and possibly join back. Elsvyer (sorry I spelt that wrong) will learn that the Dominion are taking credit for the Void Nights as a way to gain power, they will hopefully push back the Dominion and join in with the Empire, leaving the Dominion weaker and the Empire will eventually besiege Alinor, winning the war and restoring the warship of Talos, the Empire will be at it's formal glory, and the Restoration of the Blades.
If the Dragonborn got involved, the Aldmeri Dominion would have no chance.
I personally believe that the Civil War in Skyrim May still be going on when we get the next game. Because in the main story of Skyrim we see the war stop for a second but it continues. The war Quest are not Canon. I believe that as soon as the war breaks out that the Aldmeri Dominion is attacking again. Immediately Ulfric will Sign a truce and go fight The Dominion as soon as possible. You also didn’t give much to say about HammerFell. I felt that if the Dominion began another war now. HammerFell, Rebel Skyrim, and The Empire would all Unify again and Crush the Dominion. That’s just my opinion, feel free to Reply what you think of what I’ve said here anyone.
the empire will win the civil war, it has already been confirmed in canon.
Thank you for creating this video and that you didn't give up on it.
I love the idea of a second Great War. However, I think that if Hammerfell was invaded to hit the Empire would not work at all. Hammerfell defeated the Dominion on their own terms after the White-Gold Concordat was signed. I think that if Hammerfell was invaded, the Empire would quickly send aid to help and the province would be reunited with the Empire.
As for Black Marsh, I completely agree that the Dominion would get crushed trying to invade the province. However, I don't think the Dominion would be able to make a treaty with them. I think the Argonian-Elf tensions are far too high because of the Dumner slavers.
Overall, I love the ideas and speculations behind this video. Great video!
The_Drop Bear You raise some interesting points. I was unaware of the treaty between the Argonians and the Dominion. I’ll have to look into that.
As for Hammerfell regardless whether or not Imperial influence in the province made a difference in their war, which I agree that it definitely did, Hammerfell still won. It would seem more likely that if faced with another war that either the Redguards would eventually call for aid from the Empire, the Empire would get involved in hopes they could annex the province, or the Empire would “advise” military operations within Hammerfell.
Thalmor would lose around half, if not most of their army marching through Black Marsh. Even Tiber Septim was inable to fully conquer it.
I just assassinated the emperor ... oops sorry
Go watch Camelwork's video on Titus Mede II. You'll feel better.
Someone else will take over, and whoever it is will probably be better prepared for a war.
Titus was a weak shitty puppet
Skyrim or elder scrolls 6 should be all these territories and you play as the dragon born that becomes a king of skyrim and you invade and conquer the world
I think if the dragonborn side with the empire, the dragonborn could turning the war by him/herself. Not just the dragonborn basically a one man army, but the dragonborn also have a dragon under his/her command
The second war will never happen because Bethesda will never Release TES 6.
NCR Elite Riot Officer you're wrong, Todd Howard and the rest of his Bethesda nerds will release a DLC for Skyrim that starts the Second Great War.
You can’t rush art
Lol where did you hear that from?
If they want to make a game about the second great war they have to do it properly with a new engine and mechanics, so Skyrim won't do...
Exp ™ it was a joke because Bethesda has been milking tf out of Skyrim as long as they possibly can
NCR Elite Riot Officer yes they will
Didn't Lord Naarafin have some sort of future vision or something, that the forgotten hero destroyed? Or am I thinking of something else?
I must say i really enjoyed this speculation video. But I generally doubt there will be a second great war. As you pointed out the armies probably have the same strenght. This would just lead to a cold war, where noone starts with his first strike.
So as in your speculation the only chance for an actual war is a surprise attack. But i doubt the Argonians would ever side with anyone. Neither can the Dominion start an attack against Hamerfell or any other province because it would lead to a weakened border to Cyrodiil and the Empire would use the chance to attack Valenvood/Elsweyr. Even if the Dominion manages to conquer a part of the continent they would lose in the long run. By conquering all of Valenvood and Elsweyr the Empire would remove a lot of Aldmeri influence from the continent and Aldmeri reinforcements would have a lot of problems to arrive.
Considering all of this the Dominion has to attack Cyrodiil directly. But this is really difficult due to the fortification. And even if a suprise attack like in your video would, work the Empire could just go for a scorched earth policy to slow down and eventually stop the attack.
To sum up: I dont think the Aldmeri Dominion has any chance of starting and winning a second great war.
I agree, however a scorched earth policy requires people to destroy things. The small force in the area that is not the border with the dominion does not have enough men to execute a scorched earth policy
I don’t know too much about Tamriel lore, especially surrounding the Great War. But I feel like their are a lot of assumptions in this video. Assuming no imperial spies, assuming black marsh will be a good ally and that logistics will work out well even through a swamp, assuming Skyrim doesn’t send more troops quicker to help from the north, assuming hammerfell doesn’t ally with the empire and take the chance to crush the dominion, assuming the empire doesn’t just blow through the southern border if they see the thalmor only have 30% of their troops their, assuming the armies are equal strength even though the dominion got crushed by the empire once the daedric artifact was destroyed, etc.
I really like your videos and am a huge fan of your content, and I think the animations look great. I just think the war in this video relies a lot on assumptions and that their are a lot more factors to think about than you went over.
I would like to see a video from the imperial side if they went on the attack
But even you mentioned the fact that you gave the dominion a lot of leway and benefit of the doubt, so this comment may just be dumb and annoying to you. If it is I’m sorry that wasn’t my intention.
Please don’t be offended by this comment it’s not meant to be rude or anything. I’m just putting my opinion down like you ask your viewers to do. I love your content and please keep making videos.
I really want to know your opinion the only thing that is keeping me from wanting to help the empire is they allow the enemy, the Dominion to go into Skyrim and hunt down people that worship Talos which I think is unfair. Second the Empire got Ulfric Stormcloak arrested
(Markarth incident) they betrayed him and hammerfell.
Watch my conspiracy video on Ulfric, there might be reasons behind everything
1. They have no choice in the matter, and it is in no way a permanent arrangement. This is merely to buy time for the empire so that they can rebuild their forces, and prepare for the second great war. It's a difficult decision but a necessary one.
2. The Empire arrested Ulfric after the atrocities and war crimes he committed against the forsworn and innocent civilians during the Markarth incident. It wasn't a wrongful imprisonment, what he did was effectively the equivalent of police officers gunning down rioters
1 ulfric is technically a dominion sleeper agent which is why he started the war and 2 ulfric forced the empires hand by openly breaking the white gold concordet
The_Drop Bear
1: He's unapproachable because his entire rebellion is based around breaking free from the Empire to fight the Thalmor.
2: The same dossier also states that an Imperial victory would harm their standing in Skyrim, meaning that it is something they want to avoid as well. They want the civil war to drag on for the reasons stated in this video; keep the Empire's attention in Skyrim and slowly bleed it dry.
3: He was also ~allowed~ to escape because this is what the Thalmor hoped he would do.
So while he isn't a Thalmor sleeper agent _or_ working for the Thalmor in any way, he is nonetheless playing right into their hands, and if either side were to begin having an edge over the other without the Dragonborn's involvement, I think it's rather likely that they would take precautions to make sure the war soon returns to its previous state.
Well the thing about ulfric and most of the stormcloaks, they're pretty racist. They always talk about how all elves are dangerous magic users that helped in the oblivion crisis, they always talk about skyrim belongs to the nords and the nords only, and mostly it's thalmor's plan for the stormcloaks to win so they can completely weaken the empire and the thalmor knows that the stormcloaks wouldn't even stand a chance against them since they're starting out their own nation and trying to get together their alliance compared to a nation that already has allies and enough power to weaken the empire.
Pretty good video. I love when people speculate military strategy and This is one of the better plans I've seen for a 2nd great war. Seems to me like the Empire might win this though if they get Hammerfell and maybe Morrowind (somehow) to fight with them.
I think the aldmeri population decrease by 30%
They also are not fertile as humans.
its not that they are fertile its elven birth takes longer and thats just the high elve,s wood elves breed like drugged bunnies
Ohhh okie :)
I feel that the first phase of the war, if I were a Thalmor commander, would be to neutralize the imperial fleet near the gold coast. That fleet, if left intact, could either blockade the summerset isles or be used to invade the isles. Besides, the Thalmor could use their entire navy in the battle and once the imperial gold coast fleet is destroyed, then they could focus on the other half of the imperial fleet. After that first phase, the empire would have to weaken the border forts by sending troops to defend the gold coast. I would envision then the two sides would enter a cold war with each side trying to incite rebellion in the others territory.
I am asuming that since you have SKYRIM coulerd red on the map this speculation is with an Empire victory in the civil war. If so then how long after the the war is this invasion? If it happend soon after, maybe a month later. Then the empieral regime of skyrim may not have been in a position to aid cyrodil very much. But if this war starts a few months at least later then a few legions out of skyrim could cross the jerral mountians and (maybe) join with/draft a token force of the Bruma city guard and liberate Cheydinhal if it was taken our under a pending siege. But if skyrim was under STORMCLOAK rule do you think they would even try to help the empire?
This scenario is basically when the Imperials have won, yes, however. It is my personal conviction that Skyrim would help the empire regardless.
For more explanation on that stance, watch my Ulfric video :)
Imperial Knowledge ok
Colin Dube If it was a gap of about few years assuming a stormcloak victory I believe that Ulfric would form an allegiance with the empire as he fought in the first Great War and I believe that his hatred for the elves is stronger than his hatred of the empire. I also don’t think he would stay neutral as he knows if the aldermeri dominion win they will come for Skyrim soon after.
Colin Dube A Stormcloak controlled Skyrim would certainly aid the Empire to defeat the Thalmor. Even if not fighting side by side, I'm sure the Stormcloaks would take the opportunity to utilize guerrilla tactics upon Summerset or the standing Aldmeri forces
Imagine a army of argonians flanking the thalmor from swimming through a ocean
*understand
Thank you for this video. Now it's clear. TES6 main quest will revolve around Empire gaining Hammerfell of Losing Daggerfall with multiple ending depending on choices. Empire has; neither, either one, both. Depending on player, factions etc. Maybe one ending has Talmor getting into Hammerfell.
Basically the Thalmor could only take over the imperal city if they have the luck of both the aedra and the daedra
Honestly (yes I know this is old) it would definitely be interesting if the Altmer Thalmor found a way to get the Dunmer to go against the Argonians so you can technically realistically have the Altmer be able to place their armies near the Cyrodollic border near Black Marsh, I really don’t ever see the Argonian’s making deals with the Altmer just so they can get a portion of land back. To the Thalmor I’m pretty sure the Dunmer would be more negotiable to the Thalmor, especially when a race of lizards literally trampled and took parts of Morrowwind. I can see that really working for a game.
There is a major flaw in the Thalmor strategy. If the second imperial fleet beats the smaller Thalmor fleet, that will completely cut off the Thalmor supply line. The Bay Fleet and the army coming out of Argonia would be unable to resupply or get any reinforcements.
I have some notes to take from this video. Because it just gave me an idea for some future battles in an Elder Scrolls crossover fanfic I’m writing.
Great video! I am preparing to run an extensive TES role play campaign and this gave me plenty of ideas of what might be happening int the world while my players roam Tamriel. Thank you so much!
I think the only way the Aldmeri Dominion would even consider possible talks with Black Marsh is if they are able to stamp out all resistance within Valenwood. We know that in the time of Skyrim, Valenwood is undergoing an ethnic cleansing by the Thalmor. This among other atrocities by the Thalmor is going to fuel Bosmer rebels to rise up against the Thalmor, to take back their country and the Penitus Oculatus would be aware of any discontent within Valenwood and be willing to use the unrest to further the Empire's goals.
I also think the Khajit (Elsweyr) are pretty much the silent client state of the Aldmeri Dominion as there is no evidence to suggest that they took part in the 1st Great War. So they would probably stay out of the conflict unless the Penitus Oculatus is able to convince the Khajit that the Thalmor did not stop the Void Night, as they claimed. If the Khajit found that out they would be pissed off with the Thalmor for the deception.
In all i think the Empire has a good chance to defeat or at very least hold back the Thalmor. If they won then the White Gold Concordat would be null and void and Tamriel could once again worship Talos openly. (The Imperials aren't enforcing the ban on Talos worship), essentially you could still worship Talos in private cause unless someone informs on you then the Thalmor would be none the wiser.
Most high elven children don't leave the house until they're 50 so I can imagine what recruitment is like😂
When thinking about the Great war, well the potential second one, I always assumed the Dominion would leave a moderate force in the southern border as you did, then they would navally assault High Rock, presumabley quickly annexing most of it due to its small size and also since it would have very limited troops defending it. Then from then on some troops from the empire would likely make small incursions into the Dominion, until they sent up a large force to save High rock, splitting the empire, whilst the force was on the move to High Rock, the Southern Border may get overrun by reinforcements, or clever ambushes in the Valenwood forests and Elsweyr Hills, leading to an opening in the South, now presuming the empire has the Dragonborn as well he may give battles a favourable siding to the Empire (especially since he/she can summon dragons, and would be a good figurehead for the Empire to follow), so the Empire may end up, losing most of Southern Cyrodill bar Skingrad (since that place is a bloody mint fortress) and Bravil for similar reasons, then the Imperials would have to split their remaining troops to defend the Imperial City and repel High Rock. Personally if this happened I believe the Empire would either lose dramatically, or perhaps win a victory wherever the Dragonborn is present and perhaps win a stunning victory on one front, then allowing for them to move south with a weakened force, perhaps helping the Empire hold the south or High rock depending, leading to an Empire victory or defeat depending on the outcome of this specific battle. To me this makes sense,
however your Strategy for the AD seems excellent as well, granted I believe the Dominion would have to make larger concessions to the Argonians, since they despise elves more than men, so all of Cyrodill from the Blackwood to Bruma would have to become Argonian I reckon. Anyways good work, and I think you did a great job bringing speculation and ideas. Ya never know this theory could end up being canon by the next ES game.
Also I would love to hear what you think on my prediction obviously its not perfect, and perhaps a bit rushed, but I think theres potential in it. Thank you!
Legionaries: (sees the Aldmeri Army invading)
"By the Nine Divines, Assault, Assault!"
No, nothing wrong. You’re about the right only one who did a video on this. Thanks a bunch!
If high elves weren't so uptight half of the big wars wouldn't exist
I wish you had more subscribers. Marvelous video!
Stupid question, but what is the name of the song at 5:30... can’t figure out the name