Adolphe sax baritone saxophone c. 1860 demonstration
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- There is always a lot to learn when returning to Adolphe Sax’s world of music, sound and music-making.
I just added an original Adolphe Sax alto and baritone to my collection and find the instruments and their tone endlessly fascinating. Here is a first-impression short video of the Adolphe Sax baritone (c. 1860) with an original Adolphe Sax mouthpiece from the same era. The baritone has a range from low B to high Eb and of course has a double octave key.
The second part of the video shows pictures of the remarkable mouthpiece which is in perfect condition.
Paul Cohen
Wow! What a rarity...I could wonder how many survive, and didn't get melted down for artillery shells😮 Make music, not war!
Such a warm sound!! Soft as silk
Wow, that the best sounding baritone I've ever heard
Thanks! The mouthpiece gets a lot of credit as well!
I'd love to hear this sax playing with a cello, I bet it must blend in really good!
Such a lovely sound. I have a 1923 Buescher TrueTone baritone, and a while back acquired an ancient Henton mouthpiece via eBay. Large chamber, rather restrictive, but the horn now sounds very close to this, almost bassoon-like. I love it...
You will be amazed at how closely related your bari sax and mouthpiece is to my Adolphe Sax bari and mouthpiece.
@@paulcohen2556 Thanks for your reply! I'm not super surprised, because over the years on SoTW I've read that some folks consider the Buescher TT to be closest to Sax's design (which is why Rascher used them in his quartet). My TT definitely has a different sound than the Yamaha 61 I played a few decades ago, even with the same Selmer E mouthpiece. As for the Henton, if you search on SoTW I posted about it way back in 2006.
Love it!
Absolutely beautiful tone
That sounds lovely - quite flute-like in the upper register!
What a treat! Thanks. I’ve never even seen a photo of one of these and never dreamed I’d hear one. It sounds amazing.
That’s a lovely sound, Paul. I remember looking forward to your columns when I used to subscribe to the Saxophone Journal. The only ancient horn I have is a soprano sarrusophone by Gautrot, manufactured in the 1850s I believe. It’s a well-made instrument with a great sound. I got it because I love medieval and renaissance music, in particular the sound of the shawms, and with a reed cut more like the shawm reed I can get that kind of power with the advantage of fully chromatic keywork. It also works for middle eastern type music.
Thanks for your kind words about my Saxophone Journal Columns that were titled "Vintage Saxophones Revisited" They were a delight to write! I also love Renaissance and Medieval music, and on my upcoming saxophone quartet CD, Dances and Declamations, you can hear my adaptation of Renaissance songs and dances in my "Renaissance Book" for SATB quartet. The CD wil be released in April! Previews coming soon.
The tone !!!
Thanks! This was the tonal happenings c. 1860. Much to learn about hearing the instrument close to its original intent of the tonal sensibilities of the time, and its relationship to orchestra settings.
It's a totally different tonal concept from today's classical saxophone@@paulcohen2556
Yes, it is a sad commentary of the state of classical saxophone playing. Tremendous advances in technical playing, but musical and artistic playing, including tonal nuance and awareness, continues to rapidly recede.
Neat pieces of history.
Such a beautiful sound!
Beautiful demostration!!
Omg! Fantastic. Mellow tone. 👍 👏
Great sound! Congrats!
Thank you for this interesting video and info. Regards from Argentina.
So cool!
Wonderful playing! I wonder what is the key of this bari😊
Unique sound for sure. Almost sounds like it’s got something in the bell slightly.
I see a sax like this! I don't believe it's so old
Beeindruckend 👍🏽
Beautiful! I'm playing a 1957 Selmer Mark VI Low A with a Selmer S80 C* bari sax that sounds almost identical to this one. Most of the videos I see of bari saxes on youtube sound more jazzy and have a lot of grit and brightness. I'm sure my mouthpiece is a big part of why ours sounds so similar, but either way I love it!
Great to hear that you are getting a similar tone to that of my Adolphe Sax baritone and original mouthpiece. Yes, those early Mark VI baris sound beautiful. The design of the S80 C* is acoustically diametrically opposite to that of the original mouthpiece that I used. The difference in chamber size is huge (Selmer is much smaller), and the chamber size is a key determinant of tone color, large chamber is dark to small chamber bright. So bravo to your strong tonal imagery to make your baritone sound as in the video!
@@paulcohen2556 I have question for you! I want that tonal characteristic that I'm getting, but with the ability for more volume. I feel like I max out this mouthpiece when I need to really push some air and get more volume. During those times it gives out on me and feels like there's just nothing more it can do.
Would an S80 with a larger tip opening accomplish that? Maybe an S80 E or something like that?
@@jessekerley8625 I need to know a little more about your playing. What genre of music? What reed setup? Getting a larger tip opening is not always the best solution, as tone quality, intonation and response often degrades. Let me know more.
@@paulcohen2556 I’m playing a variety of music. On my own mostly classical, so the s80 c* is great and has plenty of volume. But I’m also playing in the local city band, which is where I’m maxing it out and need more volume. It’s a variety of music, but lots of faster stuff and quite a bit of more patriotic music.
It sounds so much like a bass clarinet with more power, which I believe is what he designed it for? A bass clarinet for playing outside while marching
Thanks for the kind words. Sax's original intent was to create a low reed woodwind for the orchestra to fill out the woodwind section sonority compared to the enriched brass and strings that were becoming more sonically enriched. At the time neither the bass clarinet or bassoons had either the flexibility or volume to provide that enrichment. The bass sax, first of Sax's saxophones, was designed to fill that gap. Playing outside and in military bands came later, and was a boon to Sax.
@@paulcohen2556 I see! Great history lesson! Thank you 🎷
Wow💚💚💗💗💗💗💗
Extra comment - I note on really old baris like the one you're playing that the tubing loop is on the player's right. I'm wondering if this got changed to a left loop to make it easier to read sheet music...
The mouthpiece and horn have a very sublime sound together. So many modern baris have an almost nasal, whining sound to my ear. This horn avoids it and is very pleasing.
Thanks for the kind words. Another essential component is the player's concept or image of tone that he wants to sound from the instrument. The instrument, mouthpiece and concept work well together with this bari.
this sounds wonderful...but i NEED low a...
Yo tengo uno parecido .. para el museo buenaso.. vintage
Can you play some Charles Mingus on it? Sounds beautiful
That instrument looks cool, but when I see an actual bari sax, it is gold and brassy and looks more modern
That is an "actual" bari sax. It's just an older, "vintage" bari, one could say.
@@TrashCanBoiBoi oh that’s cool
It's silver plated - most saxes now are lacquered brass, but there are a few silver plated ones still made, and a lot more were made back then.
I have a Buescher baritone that's around 109 years old now, and is silver plated like this one. I have a couple of altos (including a lovely silver plated Hawkes & Sons 'Double Century' from the 1930's), a tenor (just a cheapo 1970's East German one, but it suits me), and the bari, and out of all of them the baritone is the most satisfying to play - you can feel the notes through your body!
There used to be an Adolphe Sax alto floating around my home town. I tried it once, but pretty though it was, it was a bit of a dog, and having two octave keys was just too confusing for me.
Eu tenho um barítono idade (couesnon n* 3405 raridade antes do ano de 1910
que marca de boquilla es
It is the original (wood) mouthpiece, from the 1860s, by Adolphe Sax
Queria mandar uma foto do meu sax barítono
It's almost bassoon-like, that's really wild
A high compliment! Thanks!
are you the professor at columbia university? i just applied there!
Yes, I am the saxophone teacher at Columbia. You can study with me at Columbia and take part in the Manhattan School of Music saxophone orchestra and other groups. Email me with questions. Paulcohen.saxo@gmail.com
How many saxophones do you currently have total?
I've lost track as the numbers keep changing, but it is around 250 these days.
@@paulcohen2556 Wow. Jealous, but very happy for you.
Don't be jealous! Come visit my museum in the NYC area and try it yourself!
Next time I come to New York, I’d absolutely love to meet you and check out some of your saxophones. I also have some nice rarities in my collection and I’m fascinated with every aspect of saxophones, including repairing them et cetera. I used to read your magazine supplements. do you have a G mezzo soprano from my friend in Denmark in your collection?
Best wishes