Have I found my new Dawless Centerpiece? // MIDI Sequencing with Play 1.4
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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Drums from @TheKount
Had one weird cut where I left it out, but I compare my workflow of starting with a chord and then pulling piece off to build a bassline etc like watching someone whos speedrunning FL studios.
Thats a daw workflow I haven't really seen replicated in hardware, and is a really neat thing to have access to.
00:00 - Intro
01:48 - Hands on
02:51 - Pick & Place
04:30 - Drum Part
07:39 - Midi Begins
08:33 - Note input / piano roll
11:54 - Marker 7
11:55 - Chord Fills
14:28 - Work flow remarks
15:50 - Beyond 16 steps
18:08 - Marker 11
18:08 - ArpFill
20:23 - Marker 13
20:23 - Play modes
22:05 - Marker 15
22:05 - CC controls
23:13 - Conclusions - Фільми й анімація
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Literally bought this on Tuesday just there. Loads of fun, very inspiring, and that's not just my post-gas sunk cost fallacy talking 😅 it really is fun to just pick up and play.
After months of using the Play in the same way, my biggest wish is that we could have random/chance CC values for every parameter; not just the filter.
Yyooooo great point
I totally agree. Love using the chance CC value.
Come to the Polyend Backstage and make a wish for it!
Hey, Is it possible that will be added in a software update?
Plus, which machine does have it? (On velocity for example) Does the new Mpc One have it?
@19:21 "crazy stuff - remember I had drums?" 🤘😆 love this
this is *exactly* the video i was hoping for, thank you so much! i'm excited about the 1.4 update! i have one of these, and a bunch of modular stuff that I want to control from midi, and what you're doing here is just what I got it for
Thanks for this video Jorb! This is super helpful for wrapping my head around this device. Really curious to try the play plus, this helps me to get the “why” of the play vs other machines 🙏👏
For sequencing hardware, the price drop makes the OG reeaally compelling.
DAWless here for 3 years using Beatstep Pro and onboard sequencers for my various devices, but lacked a cohesiveness to the workflow. Since Play 1.2, I've been working toward picking one up as my master seq/drum machine so this video is perfect to get some ideas and moral support! Mitch and team are killing it on the updates and community building for this box. Glad he asked you to shoot this! BTW Quick Copy (hold > tap new pad) works for variations, you don't need to copy and paste the grid notes
Best video for Play. Just bought one because of this video.
Every new upload on your channel is like a surprise gift! Love it! 🎵❤
I'm impressed with how you really let your hair down in this discussion.
You mean literally or figuratively? 😆
A brilliant demo and track, many thanks
Love to see Polyend supporting their machines and adding functionality even years later. Can’t wait til the tracker mini comes out, we’re so close! Thanks for the excellent demo 🙏
I was hooked on getting a Tracker Mini, because it's so portable.
But.. it doesn't have much ability for jamming and playing on it. No musical keys/pads.
So I need to connect an external midi keyboard?
Then it loses the portable plus
@@morten1 I agree the full sized Play would be better for jamming. I'm so in love with the synakt though, I don't really need another groovebox. I'll be using the tracker mini as a stable gameboy to write songs on while I'm at the dog park lol.
@@morten1I have seen simple setups that just use an iPhone as the input source. Seems like a good option to keep things portable and battery powered.
Hey, thanks for the insight! I've been meaning to use my Play like this for a while now and I finally bought a TIE Studio 4i4o to set my Play up with my Behringer Neutron and TD-3. The thing is, the midi splitter won't catch the Jack 2 outputs, only the Jack 1 output. Any chance you know what I'm doing wrong? I can't find the answer anywhere and your video is pretty much the only one that has almost the same setup as mine
I'm used to your scope in videos, but somehow never noticed that you started using the clamp and mirror sometimes. That's genius and hilarious.
Comes from not wanting to use a second or third camera if I can avoid it. Can keep it on the same focus plane with the mirrors
What a lovely piece, thanks again
Beautifully practically enlightening video! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The fact that so many modern and expensive sequecers are maxed out at 64 to 128 steps is ridiculous. Jesus Christ why cant anything have a legitimate song mode. Which used to be quite common a few decades ago with much older technology.
Like stereo. That’s now apparently an upgrade. They take it away...then sell it back to us.
Such a cool gear, so much fun to use:)
Love that idea of a mixer view. I really wish there was an easy way to solo both tracks and midi at the same time
Classic Jorb. Back at it again with the gear.
Typical Jorb, here he goes again
_Little animated Polyend Play appears_ - “Hello! This is gear, and I love Jorb!”
Sounds so good dude
Excellent video. Lots of great inspiration. Thank you!
🙏🙏 It's a winner for sure
Nice clamp bro! ❤
Yup. Same here. Love it
Great demo Cheers 🥳🔥🤘
Yo Jorb! What’s good brother.. great video… But… Respectfully… I’m not sure if you needed two screens? The screen on the poly is pretty clear and precise… No👍🏼 great video bro.
I went back and forth, I try and think about what its like to watch it on a phone at low resolution, figure that's most people. Same thing when I've got blown up pedal cam
lovely, clean. the. keyboard.
It's patina!
Great explanation. I just got my Poly Play last week, and after the obligatory ' what the fuck did I just waste my money on this time' response (during the first hour of learning), I now absolutely love it and need more grids to store more patterns.
Because a billion is just not enough spaces...
*Note: With all these amazing advancements in musical instrument technology, I just know that once all the tech know-how finally trickles down to robot girlfriend development, the world will be a wonderful place for single guys! That's how inspiring the Polyend Play is!
The mark of a great gear review is when the review convinces me I need something I had absolutely no need for before watching the review! Thanks Jorb! lol!
😅😅🙏🙏🙏
Good and inspirational video, thanks for sharing! 🙏🏻 I’m using the Play OG together with my Digitakt (or if stereo sampling is needed my M+) so at this point I don’t feel the need to upgrade to the Play+ for its sampling capabilities. It would be nice if Polyend would expand all of their sequencers’ capabilities a bit more towards their unique role within a dawless setup. So for instance more in-depth control of sending and receiving Program Changes (at the start of a pattern or variation) without having to worry about polyphony. Or changing and renaming on-screen labels for CC knobs per pattern / variation. More MIDI effects or actions for manipulating sequences.
I still have my Polyend SEQ, this just seems a much more powerful device but nothing beats 8 rows of 32 steps, will never sell it, BUT I will get the Play to use with it.
Love both, but PLay is now my next toy.
Thx for the upload, I'll send you the bill.
Always good to see referee Jorb with the bubble letter logo
😂😭What if I do a different font
@@JorbLovesGear then I'd have to unsubscribe
Great video, I learned a lot! I have, up until this video at least, seen Play as a groovebox++ and the Oxi One as a sequencer. However, it really seems from here that with the 1.4 firmware, Play has become a moderately powerful MIDI sequencer. If you are someone who is not working with Eurorack modules, is there a reason to own an Oxi One when you could have a Play for roughly the same price? Is there a use case for having both? Seeing the ability to record CC automations really makes me see Play has matured and the role of Oxi One becomes far less clear.
The polyphony limitation was the big downside for me, I’ll have to look into that chord trigger option. I’d only seen that a chord would take up extra tracks like you mentioned.
It's not nearly as flexible, but that chord parameter can really save you some rows
You say it's the Polyend play, but we all know it's the Yamaha CP. And before anyone laughs, I got to play with one a few days ago and that might be the most fun I've had with a keyboard in a while. Now I want the CP and the YC organ.
I did the same thing. Problem is poliphony. I dont want to dial in chords, I want to be able to play them and record them via keyboard. Also, using PP as master MIDI sequencer is messy if you have a few Elektron boxes, bcs you need to send program change messages in order to change patterns, and on some there is slight latency. Also, no CV is a bit meh, given that Polyend did a lot for modular.
Yea dude! Fucking good!!
I wish the Digitakt had the Play/Skip for probability. So many times I wanted to make something play for 3/4 and on the 4th it didn't. Ooofff and that all note offset change... so nice! Something is confusing me a bit with the MIDI though. Are they monophonic? Did you need to eat up 4 tracks to play the Rhodes? I think I missed something. ah you mentioned that at the end conclusion. Very strange decision... +1 for the Digitakt 😛 haha
the digitatk has play skip prob! it just has numbers like 2:4 or 1:3 per trig on the conditional options
What DAW are you running this through please? Thanks mate brilliant video
None! Multitrack into a tascam model 16, then the video is edited in davinci resolve
is it possible to setup like a Turing track that is generative within a selected scale?
I love your content! Fun fact, my CC were enabled in UA-cam and the first 2 seconds of your video reads « Hello my name is George » 😂 Thx auto-caption lol
Jorb how do you get your polyend play to connect with the east beast? I've tried to connect mine through midi and it never works
What happened to the reface cp keys???
I had cheap masking tape to mark the like midi channel key combos
I work in a wood shop and seeing that clamp holding the mirror gives me such ptsd 😂
I just want a hardware based Amiga ProTracker clone, with sampling and some effects, and I would be a happy man :)
What's the eurorack nerdseq based on, is that the same?
button down goes craaaaaaazy
😤😤Gotta keep it fresh
Forgive me, but i am new to your channel. You said in the beginning that the Digitakt didn't work for you. I'm wondering how. I have a VERY similar workflow to what i'm watching you do here, but i do it with the Digi. I'm in no way trying to say one is better than the other, i think the Play is awesome. I'm just wondering what you didn't like. Other than the keyboard view, they essentially do the exact same things.
Also, so far I think your content is great. I'll be watching more.
Would be great if it could get 128 steps (like Tracker) instead of 64.
Do I need a re 201...no. also is that the theme tune to Taxi?
Forgive me if you answered this; but can you sequence multiple MIDI devices, i.e.: via multiple "lanes"? Not sure if this is related to the polyphony limitations.
In a way, yes, that's how I'm in controlling in this video, but it's bigger than that.
You can change midi channel per trig, just like example in the begining with the kick on any lane.
I could have a 16 step sequence and send each trig to a different midi device
@@JorbLovesGear gotcha!
U can power it with the usb hub :)
Jorb, I'm in Virginia. I'll send you my Squarp Hapax for a week or so if you wanted to make a video on it and see how it compares to the Polyend Play. Lol.
Offer appreciated, but if I decide to do it I'll ask Squarp for one
@@JorbLovesGear You got it! Watching you maneuver around the Polyend Play is actually teaching me some things about the Hapax. I've been a fan since day 1! Keep up the good work
Jorbs rad
🫡🫡🙏🙏
does it record/playback MPE midi? lookng for a dawless setup and got my hands on an osmose....
Great question, I want to say it doesn't
@@JorbLovesGear Pretty sure it doesn't Squarp Hapax is what you need,
nice shirt
I'm actually a little disappointed in the Play. For Dawless I like to control instruments while also playing others on the Thru channel. The Play having no Thru channel means there's no transmission of footpedal CC, that kills me. I'm also a musician who thinks automatic "chord" and "scale" functions are at best a crutch and at worst cheating, so the Play not allowing you to input polyphony with a controller and instead making you use the internal chord bank is just bizarre and a little offensive. My main reasons for getting it were the 8 midi channels and the 128 pattern song potential (a MASSIVE improvement over the 16 pattern song limit on SQ64), so I'm still enjoying it for that, and there's still a LOT to explore.
I thought I would love the Polyend Play but I detest the feel of the device compared to Deluge. The buttons and knobs are not great to use.
Would love to see some of its sequencing features in Deluge now it’s open source.
I like the pads on the play a lot, fast to slide across them, and the workflow warrants a lot of that.
The capacitive knobs feel a bit like operation sometimes, trying not to hit anything else, but once I turned off the double tap things got a lot faster for me
Anyone have thoughts on this vs the Deluge as the centerpiece?
I haven't used deluge in awhile, but the way you manipulate steps on this feels great to me.
But I liked placing drums so much more on the deluge
This is great and exactly what i want to be doing w my play! however, i try plugging in my typhon etc and get nowhere, like 2 hours of pulling my hair out:) I've watched all the polyend and killer folks like you show how to connect devices to midi but no avail. any advice? or vids you'd send me to watch? thx again... love yer content. maybe i should just get the midi solutions box and that will be the solution?
not connecting via midi at all?
Midi OUT jack of the play, its a 3.5mm jack to a TYPE B adapter, the kind that came with the play.
Then DIN to MIDI IN of the typhon, and figure out what the midi channel on the typhon is set to
then send midi notes on that channel out of the play
@@JorbLovesGear much appreciated! I had two new 1/8” midi to din adapters and swapped out one for another and all great:) thanks again.
You’d love the Deluge…
I had one for awhile and did love it!
@@JorbLovesGear You love this more, Deluge has almost no screen, Play is just a more advanced system, and easy to use imo.
It's my next buy, I think finally I will be able to sit down and make some better tunes due to UI.
Akai Force is too convoluted, Play is all on the surface with minimal menu diving and such a small footprint.
slay
Help me out: where do the Golden Hat samples come from?
The Kount
There is a CRITICAL bug on the Play when using large projects. A save operation with 36 or more patterns takes several minutes. A project with 100+ patterns takes 45 minutes or longer to save. Copying the entire contents of the SD card takes a fraction of the time from computer to SD card as compared to a save operation on the Play. Just a total deal breaker in either live or production setting.
I’m watching this now but I’m very impatient lmao.. what’s the midi polyphony per step on the play? I can’t find a solid answer
One note per trigger, so one for each row, UNLESS you use the chord mode, then you can put a chord on a single trig
Hi, if you mind some feedback, as a foreigner it is challenging to understand sometimes what you are saying. BR
NOT selling my Deluge to get a Play…
The Deluge has spoiled me. Even though there's many things it can't do, compared to this. There's also many more things it can do compared to the Play.
Your not missing anything deluge is so much better
@@jrodohiowhat things by the way cant you do on deluge that you can do with the polyend?
@@joeymc5272tumbleweeds… 🦗
this or the Hapax tough
Oxi 😉
Want to try em both!
I'm so glad i went with the Deluge instead of play! The workflows just don't make sense to me, looks like such a pain to work with. Happy you enjoy it, i just wouldn't vibe with that at all.
This is insane. Jam more
🙏
@@JorbLovesGear makes so much accessibility. I am controlling the daw with this. I dont have that much to hook up. It is definitely more fun than the daw itself
Why it doesn't sample whyyyyyy!
Would make it a lot more flexible, I agree
Engagement.
Continued engagement
Yamaha definitely needs carwash =)
That's patina.
I'm definitely team patina
say random one more time
🔫🔫
I bought one hated it and sold it, it was too touchy for mecIcspent more time correcting my mistakes. Horrible piece of kit😂
I did feel that at first. Right away I turned off the on-knob double tap to change parameter rows, & focused on the encoder, got a lot better
Ok, I did try that but also at the time midi was very poor aswell, I wanted to use it to trigger my HPD20. I felt it was a one trick pony for D&B. After that I just went crazy and bought a Midi Arp, Polyend Seq, Oxi One and an NDLR. Now I have a few learning curves but the Seq and HPD20 is excellent so far, recording into the Seq from the HPD pads.
It’s so crap managing samples. Total bum out
I do agree with that, not being able to get there with the usb is wack.
I need to get better about reviewing certain things like they're tech, and not just like instruments, I take a lot of that stuff in stride when I probably shouldn't.
@@JorbLovesGear no criticism - I was so hyped but couldn’t believe how slow and janky the sample side was. It’s like a pentium 2 or something. The pool was a total pain to clear / swap out and just not fast enough to maintain the inspiration for me.
As for now - i don’t think you can beat an iPad with Drambo. It’s unbelievably good to use and not to mention all the synths/fx/and wide variety of exotic midi sequencer micro apps.
It’s totally rad and doesn’t feel like a pc/daw - not in the slightest!
F'ing ref? Where is your whistle?
Deluge is way better no offense to anyone.
They've got pretty different goals, mostly
The debate could go on, personally I LOVE the Deluge. However, with the Deluge firmware going open source, give it 12 months and it will be a giant killer
@@MasterStatusUK there’s no doubt once a product goes open source their endless possibilities. It’s a no-brainer at this point by a deluge because I can only see this product going up in price the more features it gets packed with.