It can be done scientifically too Without protective gear, the motorcyclist faces the following risks for injuries: Head Injuries: The likelihood of sustaining a head injury is 30%. Limb Injuries (arms and legs): The probability of limb injuries is 50%. Spinal Injuries: There is a 20% chance of suffering a spinal injury. Foot Injuries: The probability of leg injuries is 40%. Reduced Injury Probabilities with Protective Gear Helmet: Wearing a helmet reduces the risk of a head injury by 69%. This means that instead of a 30% chance of a head injury, the probability decreases to around 9.3% with a helmet. Protective Jacket and Knee Pads: These reduce the chance of limb injuries by 80%, which means the probability of suffering injuries to the arms or legs drops from 50% to only 10% with this protective gear. Back Protection: Wearing a back protector decreases the risk of spinal injuries by 65%, reducing the likelihood of a spinal injury from 20% to around 7%. Protective Boots: Boots lower the chance of leg injuries by 70%. So, instead of a 40% risk of leg injury, wearing boots brings that probability down to 12%. Overall Probabilities of Injury 1. Probability of Injuries without Protective Gear: Without any protective gear, the combined risk of sustaining an injury to any of the four areas (head, limbs, spine, or legs) is 83.2%. This means that if a motorcyclist is involved in an accident without wearing any gear, they have an 83.2% chance of getting seriously injured. 2. Probability of Injuries with Protective Gear: When a motorcyclist wears full protective gear-including a helmet, protective jacket, knee pads, back protection, and boots-the risk of serious injury across all four areas is reduced to 32.8%. This significantly lowers the overall risk of sustaining any serious injury during an accident. Conclusion Without protective gear, the overall probability of sustaining a serious injury is 83.2%. With full protective gear, the probability drops to 32.8%. Final Thoughts Wearing full protective gear reduces the risk of serious injuries by almost 2.5 times-from 83.2% without gear to 32.8% with gear. Protective boots, in particular, provide a significant reduction in leg injury risk, decreasing it by 70%, which highlights the importance of wearing proper protective equipment while riding a motorcycle. I think this is more than enough to decide on the usefulness of the equipment.
@@motorcycleadventures I love watching your videos, they have a lot of sensible advice, if you go to Russia again, you are welcome. In your video about the trip to Magadan, you drove a couple of kilometers from my house.
When you quote figures like these you should always show your sources… Anyone can make up numbers but if you want to be taken seriously sources are mandatory!
@@erkful You can use the values known to you for your country or region and perform a calculation relevant to you. I don’t see the point in providing any sources, as different studies may produce slightly different results. Statistics will also vary depending on experience, type of motorcycle, personal habits, etc. I merely suggested a method that shows how it can be calculated. If you use the proposed method, you will be able to see for yourself how much safer it is to ride with protective gear. However, I’m not trying to convince anyone; natural selection over the long term will do a much better job. Skeptics can even ride naked if they wish. :)
Thanks for the video! In my perspective, no gear will protect you 100% nor account for all types of accidents but any protection is better than nothing. Reduce your risks always!
Pavlin, this is excellent advice. One item you didn’t mention is ear protection. I’ve been riding for nearly 40 years and I didn’t use any ear protection for the first 10 years. Now I have tinnitus which I feel was at least partially caused by not wearing ear protection. There are several types of earplugs available, from inexpensive foam to very expensive custom fit devices. I always wear something, even if it’s just foam plugs. Can’t get back lost hearing. Again, thanks for your excellent advice.
good point. I started riding late, only 4 years ago and it took only took a couple of hours of riding the very next day after getting my bike to convince me I need ear plugs. I was dizzy for the next two days. I'm using alpine moto safe plugs now.
Nowadays I've heard it several times. And there a plug-in-ears that allow you to follow the traffic and everything what's going on (I hate to hear nothing!). I will seriously wear them from the next longer ride on! thanks!
Thank you. I can tell you that I never ride 1 m without all my gear. But I am 71 and I know that the bones are not going to heel so rapidly at this age 😂 ! You are great ❤ and I will always listen to what you said. You have the experience that I don’t have ! So … thanks for all these advices. Be safe …
Good topic, this is a very important question. In the past, I had two similar motorcycle accidents. The first time I only wore a helmet, the result was accidental surgery and 4 months of recovery. The second time I was fully equipped, the result was 1 week of rest. Same engine, same speed. Even the side and direction of the overturning was agreed upon. I learned for life the value of motorcycle protective equipment.
Great video my dude! "That video" was made by an "influencer" - Was a wake-up-call to unsubscribe from yet another "influencer"... I'm glad you took the time to make a video from the "experienced" rather than "influencer".
I've actually got a sharps 5* rating flip helmet which is higher than the majority of other brand adventure Helmets. I bought it for that very reason, safety. It is louder for wind but I wear ear plugs anyway. The fact it flips means nothing to me, I don't use it even when I'm putting it on and off. Always locked down. It blows my mind that someone would buy a cheap helmet, or pick a colour/design over safety. Also I'll take this moment to plug the helite airbag bag... It's awesome, and I confirm it works well. I wouldn't go as far and it saved my life, but I probably saved me some pain
Just as I was about to praise you 100% for being correct in almost everything in this video, you talked about flip helmets. I have several flip helmets for touring and not racing. I never ride with the lid open. I open it only when I stop. That’s the point. People can open the lid while rising and that’s their stupidity. Well done for this video. ❤
I bought a flip up helmet and I agree - I don't even use the flip up feature most of the time. Only good thing about it the ratchet strap. I used to use Double D-ring but no more. Much easier with this. And I trust its strength.
This video is fantastique and true!! For all beginners, but also for experienced riders ... as a really professional rider you give us to see, what everybody would hide. But even if I had some not serios falldowns I always summer as winter I put on complete whol gear! When I was young beginner in the 70ties good moto-clothes were very expensiv, I had a old police leatherjackett, handkerskief, helmet - for boots armyboots from the troopers. For heaven sake I had no accident. Today it is much better, even the lowcost protection, if you dont have enough money, is better than nothing! Thank you for your always good input!
Allo Pavil., I’ve always lived by my cousins advice. For many yrs he spent as a despatch rider in London. He spent yrs on the bike from one end of UK to the other. I asked him his advice on gear. This is what he said. Always buy the best you can afford especially the lid, helmet. It’s been a life lesson too. NEVER TAKE CHANCES GUYS. GET THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD OR, SAVE FOR IT!!🏍️🏍️👍👍🙏🙏🇬🇧🇬🇧
In stead of protectors I started wearing a full motocross harness under my riding gear. It protects better than just a few pads of foam. It has a much stiffer and longer back protector and multi layer hip, elbow and knee protection. It also gives me the flexibility to wear a moto jacket to town because it's less bulky. And when it's really hot, i ride with a motocross shirt over the harness and no jacket. Pants the same, when hot I can wear slacks or cargo shorts over the harness.
Excellent, common sense advice and everybody should listen. It is no joke. Your healtyh has no price. I'd add one thing to what you mention Pavlin, a good airbag/vest and a neck protector.
Hi Pavel I never ever leave a comment but I have to say I really enjoy every video you have put out and you have really spoken the truth about the protection and the company's needs to know and feedback just like the way you explain about the quality and let people know what is the real thing is safety and protection for any motorcycle rider 👍 Kind Regards Teady Connolly Ireland 🇮🇪
That about the wedding was hilarious 😂, I hope it's a legend only. Absolutely agree about always wearing full gear. It's'uncomfortable sometimes, especially with hot weather but I definitely prefer to sweat than fixing consequences of being stupid.
Regarding the sun vizier, keep in mind that it is not as a strong material as the normal vizier so less protection. For the knee protectors, they will move up while seating hence there is a need to move them down as much as possible. Thanks for the hints and tips Pavlin. Ride safe
Много добро видео! Абсолютно съм съгласен с теб Павлине, не на 100, ами на 1000%. За всичко. За цялата екипировка. Аз много отдавна НИКОГА не карам без екипировка! НИКОГА не карам по тениски и къси гащи мотора си, а да не говорим за джапанки, или чехли. Това разбира се съм го научил от собствен опит по трудният начин с оставяне на собствена кожа по асфалта. :) Модуларните шлемове са най-скапаните и най-тежките шлемове от всички други шлемове! Последният модуларен шлем, който съм носил беше през 2001 година. От тогава само затворени шлемове нося, като предпочитам ендуро шлемове с козирки. Ендуро, защото има повече място за дишане, а козирките, защото пазят повече и защитават от насрещното ниско слънце, когато караш срещу него. Е, от мен толкова. :)
Wow Palvin, I'm glad you hit the dirt without serious damage. And yes, any riding protection is better than none. I've had some big offs and my riding gear stopped me from very serious damage. Great message as always.
Loved my modular helmet. After wearing it a bit I came to the same conclusion after I dropped the helmet on its chin and it opened on impact. Thanks for the tip on the back zipper.
I crashed into the side of a car that turned across my lane. My agv helmet cracked from hitting the road but my head was perfect. My rst lether suit saved my from skin damage,back damage and broken arms and knees. Without the suit i would not be walking 3months later.
I agree with you, use gear all the time. It won't save you from speeds over 100 km/h but most of crashes is on lower speeds and that's where protection works perfect and can save you from some bad injuries. Never save money on protection gear, helmets, brakes and tyres
Pavlin,,yes I agree with what you say ,,yes agree eye protection is a must,,how many times has a giant insect tried to take out my eye,I lose count,,,, But I am a Flip front junky,,,I enjoy the flexibility of flip lid helmets,,, and yes I do keep it closed 99% of the time, each of us never does everything 100% ,,we all move our bikes without the gear or go to the shops without the gear,,,,always sometime ,,maybe not very often ,,but sometimes we do,,, and I think you do to !
Great video Pavlin! Thank you! Ok, what could be more scientific than real life experience?!!!!! Believe me, I have reality tested my gear, and yes, it works! Ride safe!
Thank you for sharing your experience, excellet video. I have some of your videos and thanks to the information you provide based on your experience I decided to buy my Revit off track equipement. I consider myself a motorcyclist with extensive experience since I started in sports racing on the circuit and now with my 59 years I became an adventur motorcyclist. I stay with the saying "safety and comfort never go together". Greetings from Mexico !!
Always interesting and I can't disagree with you with your conclusions. Your last tip should be "stay lucky" because as we know being older riders that's the most important thing we need on our side. On a different subject I was in Bulgaria in August what a perfect country for motorcycling!
Pavlin, your are absolutely right. In every single point! You wear the gear for the moment you hit the ground, not for the convenience. As you pointed out, own experience underlines this fundamental principle. If your riding gear, say a 3-season Gore Textil combination is too hot for you for the summer holiday, get hot weather gear without membrane but good ventilation. Anyone able to affort an adventure bike should be able to have a second set of riding gear over the years. If new is too expensive, check the second-hand or season-end sale. I anyhow can't take anyone serious riding with these flap helmets. They are for good reason not allowed on race track, they are too heavy and hot for off-road riding and of very limited protection if worn open. I wear a helmet for riding, not talking. My preference in any but cold and wet weather is a motocross helmet with goggles. Ventilation is maximum, eyes are always protected, one just has to accept the inconvenience of thousands needles in riding in rain at speed. For adventure travelling I wear motocross boots, the best I can afford and fit me. I had sufficient opportunity to enjoy the protection. If I ride, I ride. The basic principle is protect yourself so you are able to stand-up after a crash. The crash will happen, at some time, one just doesn't know when.
I've got my gear choice pretty spot on at the moment. I can wear the exact same things for about 8 months of the year. For the other 4 months I put just 1 extra base layer on. If its any colder than that theres ice so no riding.
After 48 years of riding I totally agree with you. I also saw that Ryan F9 video but only for a few minutes because of a lot of nonsense that was communicated. A big misconseption that a lot of people have is that protective gear can nearly totally avert the consequences of a crash or impact. No they can 't. But as your showed with the example of your crash wit that car in Istambul they reduce or sometimes minimize it. A backprotector for example can not impede the most serious spine injury - a paraplegia because that merely happens after a hard impact on an obstacle with the head or the feet. But if your fall on your back it simply doesn't hurt that much and you can get away even without bruised ribs.
@@dejv667 Yes I know. I saw the rest of that video some weeks later. And yes it was not not about abandoning safety gear. But in my opinion it was a misuse of scientific work for confirming a personal view of things. And also it was that kind of clickbaiting we unfortunately find more and more even by bigger channels.
Yes, agree. A nice clip. Good advices. Helmet also = correct ! Even though, I myself ride a modular, and OPEN it, even at high-way speeds 🤷♂ A friend just had a crush on a scooter - open scooter helmet ( 1/2, or how it's called...) - broke the jaw, lost most of the front teeth.... In the city - at ~ 35km/h ! Another I know, had completely smashed his ankle / foot by a car - on traffic light - less than 20 km/h...... He had Snickers... So yes - essential advices you've given. Only one thing with the helmets - the DD-ring lock. For the most of us, it is useless. The modern, quick, micro-lock is fine, unless you ride VERY fast. DD rings are a HASSLE to use. And with gloves - forget it. Yes, the DD rings - if you have locked it - it IS properly locked, while the quick one - you can, very well, have in a "half locked" position, which can be not a very good idea.
Good on you for showing your accidents Pavlin. You are lucky that they have not stopped your motorcycling. Also,with hitting the ground,of course proper jackets & helmets are essential. But,also the type of ground! I have come off(somersault me & bike) downhill on river bank,with no injury. But on road is much harder surface & usually more speed.i
It is better to "die" from heat, instead of injuries. Years ago I've crashed, high side, only real motorcycle protection was good, helmet, leather jacket and some Velcro adjusted knee protection under ordinary jeans (better than the beautiful air). That day they forgot to wash the road with Coccolino, so the asphalt was not so fluffy. Only 10K of luck helped me to not end in fatal circumstances, but the gear I was wear saved me from a lot of trouble. Since then, I invested in more gear and always wear it doesn't matter where I ride.
Completely agree with you: I use all the available gear, even when I’m just riding to the office (I keep an extra pair of jeans and shoes there). Modular helmet: I only keep it open when I’m stopped, like at the gas station or if I need to ask for directions. Totally agree with you-if you ride with it open, it’s basically just a jet helmet, so it’s best to keep it closed while on the move!
I’m on my second Scorpion AT950 modular and I will never buy a helmet without an internal visor either. I ride in 95 to 100 degree weather here in Georgia, the one near Florida, and it has taken some rock hits and kept me safe while giving me some much needed air. I only open it to put it on or take it off. Great advice and great vid.
I was set against flip front helmets until this year, bought an x-lite x1005, the comfort and convenience is off the charts for touring compared to a FF lid. I suppose it isn't as safe in certain impacts but every time you leave the house and go on the road is a gamble anyway, experience and avoiding dangers trumps any safety gear.
I had a bad spill in 2010 which left me pretty battered but nothing was broken. My riding gear was totally ruined but I was alive thank goodness. I never ride without all my gear not 1 meter, and am shocked by many younger people riding with regular clothes no gloves and just the mandatory helmet. They are in for a very nasty surprise if they have an accident, in the worst case they will be crippled for life or dead. PS, I do not watch Fortnine anymore because of the video you referred to.
To be fair, in that video he did not agitate to abandon the equipment. He said that manufacturers produce equipment with insufficient protection that only plays a formal role. He talked about the reasons for this state of affairs, and those soft boots that Pavlin showed us from the same series, when they make protection cheaper, fulfilling some formal requirements.
I think “ if you don’t hit something “ like a tree or a vehicle etc and if you have a “ low side “ - front wheel wash out or slow rear wheel slide AND not going to fast “ in MOST of theses accidents with the right Armour say D30 you will normally walk away , BUT in a high side we’re you fly through the air that were the D30 style armour has its limits from hitting the ground or something else at speed or altitude. I think that’s why the new “ airbag vests etc will be the next standard gear for most riders ( when the price comes down ) this is from my 40 years experience of on and off road riding and injuries.
Прав си относно екипировката. Също така си прав и относно честотата на носене на пълна екипировка. Аз нося пълна екипировка само когато излизам да карам на по големи растояния, без значение дали в града или извън него. Но има една част от екопировката която никога не пропускам а именно - КАСКАТА. You're right about the gear. You're also right about the frequency of wearing full gear. I only wear full gear when I'm out riding long distances, whether in town or out of town. But there is one part of the replica that I never miss, namely the HELMET.
@@georgibakalov9922 Напротив, има голямо значение за къде си тръгнал. Няма никаква логика ако тръгнеш на кафе на 3-5км да се навлечеш с пълен екип. Всичко зависи от растоянието и терена. Но има минимални стандарти. Каска, ръкавици, наколенки (още повече ако ще си по къси панталони и мото-обувки (да ти държат глезените)
Fully agree, equipment is very important, since I use full face helmets I wouldn’t go back to modular ones. For me hot weather is the biggest barrier to wear my jacket, etc. and I’m always looking for solutions to be safe but also not dieing with a heat stroke😅
Great Advice! Regarding helmets, I was thinking of going with a Bell Moto III + goggles for anything over 45mph and some kind of shatter resistant glasses for everything else. I like the 'breathability' at slow speeds and not having to worry about the visor fogging up. I see a lot of moto-vloggers riding with their visors up + sunglasses, which seems to defeat the purpose of having a visor in the first place.
Ofcourse riding gear is a must! It Will save your life or make your injuries less! Been a firefighter for 33 years and a biker for 36 years ! Experienced the diffrence……. And i have a T7 😊
Thank you for the great content as usual!!! Keep it up! Sadly gear does not provide "remtoe support" so wearing it is the only way, cant agree more! Quick question, can you please make a video explaining Handlebars, positioning does with matter, your opinion on Handlebars? I believe it will not only help me, it will also help others. Thank you!
Hi Pavlin, great content, as usual! I would add also the gloves. Everyone subconsciously puts his hands out in front of him to soften the fall. Palms without skin and flesh, or without fingers are not pleasant. I absolutely do not understand scooterists when they ride the same routes and at the same speed as us motorcyclists and yet they have only a T-shirt, shorts and sandals. Because they are a scooter.
In 40+ years i have broken a couple of fingers, right wrist, right fibula, cracked knee cap, several ribs, left collar bone, right big toe, small bones in right foot and ankle, right tibial plateau requiring ten screws and plate and right metacarpal last year needing surgery and three pins. For over a decade i wore nothing more than mx shirt and pants, with the best mx boots, knee pads and helmet i could afford. Body armor was only worn for protection from stones being ejected from the rear wheel of the bike in front, or if the track had a lot of embedded rock. I wore the same mx kit with cordura enduro jacket when trail riding with numerous miles of tarmac to get there. I sustained very few injuries over that period. Circuit racing I have lowsided during a wet race on oil and walked away from it with just bruises and burn marks to my leathers. Higher speed crashes or hitting/being hit immovable objects (the ground) or another bike or barrier the leathers do nothing except keep you held together. The padding in them spreads the load of a point of impact, but unfortunately at the racing speeds travelling bones will break, thats just part of racing. Studies on back protectors are hit and miss with very few showing actual evidence of thoracic or rotational spinal cord injury reduction, EN1621-2 testing focuses more on abrasion resistance rather than these factors which is what the back protectors where originally designed for in racing. You may still end up with a back/spinal injury even when wearing a "ce" back protector. It depends on the nature of the crash and speeds involved Adventure/dual sport riding i feel a lack of off road riding skills, poor choice of boots, 200+ kg bikes and in most cases 50/50 tyres where I'd want an 80/20 or even a full enduro tyre puts the average adv rider in a position where injuries will happen but could be avoided. I've seen people on 1250 gs wearing hiking boots and no gloves "nipping to the shop" , a situation in a city where you are probably more vulnerable than out on a rode in the wilds. I've also lifted bikes with huge aluminum panniers off poor guys pinned under them, one a friend was in pain but did not know til a a few days later he had cracked a bone. He had a 1k + adv suit on, but they dont do diddly in a situation like that, the moral there was use soft luggage. There is a certain amount of abrasion resistance needed for the tarmac, as teen I melted enough jackets and holed plenty of pairs of jeans to find that out. Although there wasnt the huge selection of protection products available back in the 80's, a waxed jacket and thick denim was the preferred choice. A £1200 adv suit with the latest ce armour will protect you more from the elements than it will an accident. It simply cannot protect you from broken bones if thats how you go down or hit something hard or immovable. These days i wear more protective products than I've ever done, a modular approach depending on what ill be riding. Mainly mx/enduro pants and jacket, base layer lightweight low profile body stocking with forearm/elbow and shoulder padding and a separate chest/back protector when needed. I may wear a 3 season two piece touring/adv suit with installed protection for commuting purely as its quicker to don than layering up for a short ride. Personally they are not to my taste as a 3 or 4 season suit compared to layering is hot heavy and restrictive, the installed armour doesn't stay in place like it does in a proper fitting set of leathers and leads to me taking a risk to wear just the jacket etc. I have done stunt demos in jeans, mx gloves and a tee shirt, a calculated risk for a short period under controlled situation. But it was commuting on a dark cold morning where i was knocked off by a car on my way to work. Thankfully i had stuck to my rule to wear full gear in the "I'm only nipping here, it will be fine" situation. The textile adv suit saved me from abrasions and i had no other injury from being knocked sideways across the road. Ten seconds sooner though I'd probably be dead regardless of the gear as two 40te hgv's had just passed the other way, no armor is helping you going under a truck...
@@motorcycleadventures You are welcome 🙏🏼 I think the "fashion " channel is clever to sensationalise these things for views. Again your experience and valuable opinion open people's perspective which can be easily led by these influencers need for likes and popularity.. Everyone's needs are different and some people will simply just feel safer with some protection. I just tell from my perspective and experience, right for me and maybe others, but each to their own as there is no right way, make it your way and learn from your experience I tell people. By this time next year I may have changed my views slightly again, we are human after all 😊 I like your channel because i don't need to be convinced of you being the real deal, where 99% of the channels now are "Adv fashion" channels jumping on a train that left the station decades ago..
PAVEL YOU ARE RIGHT DISGOURAGING RIDING WITH A FLIP OPENED HELMET IN THE CITY OR ON THE OPEN./ ROADS. WHAT ABOUT OPENING IT ONLY WHEN AT STOP BEFORE REMOVING IT ?
One thing you show is you fall well. You rarely put your hand out which is the worst thing to do. When you fall you need to go with it and not resist. If you resist you break collar bones and wrists. Protection is useful but technique is everything(:-)
I saw that Ryan statment when it came out and did not understand the point why Ryan said that (maybe it was to be talked about)!! Anyway, you are right Pavlin!
Fortnine’s point was that most of the available gear is substandard and doesn’t provide the amount of protection that we believe it does. The take away is that we need to be much more highly selective in our purchases. Question everything offered.
If you have the bad habit of riding with the visor up like I do. Buy a pair of cycling glasses. They fit very easy and cup around your eyes to stop bugs or dust getting in your eye. Much better than intergrated sun visor
Always better to wair the gear definitely better than wairing nothing, but for me i think the point that Ryan was trying to make is that manufactures are getting away with producing substandard protection. The way FortNine (with its popularity)approached this subject really got people talking about the subject and possibly creat change for the better in the industry. Well hopefully.
I agree but it definitely got a lot of people talking about the subject. I didn't take my pads out of my safety gear after watching the vid but it did get me thinking about the quality of them. Hopefully that was the case for everyone else who watched it but I'm guessing sadly not .
Where I live I see teenagers racing about in summer on mopeds and small road bikes in tee shirts, and shorts and I've seen flip-flops. I'm lucky to have several types of protective gear and I select what to wear on what I'm doing etc but it all has armour and proper boots and a full-face helmet are a must.
I disregard that F9 video that said (for clicks) "this armour needs to be bigger to be more effective, so in the meantime I will take it out altogether".
I just can only contribute from bicycle rider perspective, since standard bicycle helmet do not have face cover I fell down right on face in very slow speed about 10km/h, my nose and mouth were bleeding, my front tooth had died, I do not want to imagine what will happen in about 90km/h
I had full body protection when I dropped my GS and it fell on my shin where it was not protected by short boots. After a year still sometimes I feel pain. I bout a pair of long Revit boots immediately. Had I bought it initially, it would not happen to my shin.
I have numerous sets of riding gear to use and it all depends on what and or where I'm going and for how long and the same goes for the amount of luggage I will be carrying.
Last time I fell from my trail bike because of ruts, I hit the ground with my right shoulder. Despite of shoulder protection on my jacket, I have been suffering from shoulder sprain for 6 weeks. No protection can help you from possible injury, depending the way you hit the ground. What is your opinion concerning airbag for protection during off road trips? Would you rather use airbag or body armor like cross riders?
6 weeks of pain with a protector, but can you imagine what would be without it? The airbag is the best option, but it is expensive and too complicated to have it on long trips.
Many years ago I bought my first street legal motorcycle. I put on a helmet and then my normal clothes and went a short distance to another store to get motorcycle clothes. Back then there was only leather gear and I found a good Halvarson gear that suited my body. I left the store and it was very hot so my first thought was to strap the leather gear in the back and go home in my normal clothes but then I put the leather gear on. A kilometer later, a car pulled out in front of me at an intersection. I managed to steer away from the car but then slid over. Leather gear had padding on shoulders, knees and elbows and the leather was chafed there. If I had my normal clothes on, it would have been my own skin that had been chafed...
yeah open helmet i used to be an instructor and used one all the time because while being an instructor have yo stop talk go stop again then again etc etc how ever while an instructor your slower and a bigger group of people so yes had to really but now no longer an instructor never would I use one so your right I wouldn't ether
20 years ago I had a accident with about 20 to 30 km/h on my scooter (max speed 90 km/h). Slipped on a patch of oil on the wet street. This happend instant and my impact on the asphalt was with the left chin. The helmet was done. One day before was the last day of summer an I used a "half" helmet the hole summer because it looks cooler on a scooter. I chuck both helmets in the garbage bin. Never again without a propper helmet. The full integral helmet saved my mandible, maybe more.
AA jacket with back, elbow and shoulder protection, AA motorcycle trousers or AAA jeans with protection, ADV boots, Arai helmet and gloves What i want to get is under jacket armour like moto cross armour so that I get the armour to fit better. Then airbag. Have crashed before. Would rather have the protection, than none.
Regarding the Klím boots, I think I heard from Bret Tkacs that 'any boots with "adventure" in the name aren't suitable for offroad riding'. Sounds like he was telling the truth ;)
It can be done scientifically too
Without protective gear, the motorcyclist faces the following risks for injuries:
Head Injuries: The likelihood of sustaining a head injury is 30%.
Limb Injuries (arms and legs): The probability of limb injuries is 50%.
Spinal Injuries: There is a 20% chance of suffering a spinal injury.
Foot Injuries: The probability of leg injuries is 40%.
Reduced Injury Probabilities with Protective Gear
Helmet: Wearing a helmet reduces the risk of a head injury by 69%. This means that instead of a 30% chance of a head injury, the probability decreases to around 9.3% with a helmet.
Protective Jacket and Knee Pads: These reduce the chance of limb injuries by 80%, which means the probability of suffering injuries to the arms or legs drops from 50% to only 10% with this protective gear.
Back Protection: Wearing a back protector decreases the risk of spinal injuries by 65%, reducing the likelihood of a spinal injury from 20% to around 7%.
Protective Boots: Boots lower the chance of leg injuries by 70%. So, instead of a 40% risk of leg injury, wearing boots brings that probability down to 12%.
Overall Probabilities of Injury
1. Probability of Injuries without Protective Gear:
Without any protective gear, the combined risk of sustaining an injury to any of the four areas (head, limbs, spine, or legs) is 83.2%. This means that if a motorcyclist is involved in an accident without wearing any gear, they have an 83.2% chance of getting seriously injured.
2. Probability of Injuries with Protective Gear:
When a motorcyclist wears full protective gear-including a helmet, protective jacket, knee pads, back protection, and boots-the risk of serious injury across all four areas is reduced to 32.8%. This significantly lowers the overall risk of sustaining any serious injury during an accident.
Conclusion
Without protective gear, the overall probability of sustaining a serious injury is 83.2%.
With full protective gear, the probability drops to 32.8%.
Final Thoughts
Wearing full protective gear reduces the risk of serious injuries by almost 2.5 times-from 83.2% without gear to 32.8% with gear. Protective boots, in particular, provide a significant reduction in leg injury risk, decreasing it by 70%, which highlights the importance of wearing proper protective equipment while riding a motorcycle.
I think this is more than enough to decide on the usefulness of the equipment.
Thank you very much for listing these numbers for me! I will even pin this comment and hope many skeptics will read it.
@@motorcycleadventures I love watching your videos, they have a lot of sensible advice, if you go to Russia again, you are welcome. In your video about the trip to Magadan, you drove a couple of kilometers from my house.
Great! See you next time then!
When you quote figures like these you should always show your sources…
Anyone can make up numbers but if you want to be taken seriously sources are mandatory!
@@erkful You can use the values known to you for your country or region and perform a calculation relevant to you. I don’t see the point in providing any sources, as different studies may produce slightly different results. Statistics will also vary depending on experience, type of motorcycle, personal habits, etc. I merely suggested a method that shows how it can be calculated. If you use the proposed method, you will be able to see for yourself how much safer it is to ride with protective gear. However, I’m not trying to convince anyone; natural selection over the long term will do a much better job. Skeptics can even ride naked if they wish. :)
Thanks for the video! In my perspective, no gear will protect you 100% nor account for all types of accidents but any protection is better than nothing. Reduce your risks always!
Absolutely!
Pavlin, this is excellent advice. One item you didn’t mention is ear protection. I’ve been riding for nearly 40 years and I didn’t use any ear protection for the first 10 years. Now I have tinnitus which I feel was at least partially caused by not wearing ear protection. There are several types of earplugs available, from inexpensive foam to very expensive custom fit devices. I always wear something, even if it’s just foam plugs. Can’t get back lost hearing. Again, thanks for your excellent advice.
yep always wear ear plugs. I just use silicone wax balls which are disposable after a few weeks/months.
I use air plugs in very rare situations, like all day on highways.
good point. I started riding late, only 4 years ago and it took only took a couple of hours of riding the very next day after getting my bike to convince me I need ear plugs. I was dizzy for the next two days. I'm using alpine moto safe plugs now.
Nowadays I've heard it several times. And there a plug-in-ears that allow you to follow the traffic and everything what's going on (I hate to hear nothing!). I will seriously wear them from the next longer ride on! thanks!
I have plenty to do, but I choose to stay here and listen to you.... with my favorite drink, of course😊
Thanks, man!
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Thank you. I can tell you that I never ride 1 m without all my gear. But I am 71 and I know that the bones are not going to heel so rapidly at this age 😂 ! You are great ❤ and I will always listen to what you said. You have the experience that I don’t have ! So … thanks for all these advices. Be safe …
Glad to help!
U are the only guy on UA-cam that tell the audience to give dislike if that is what the video diservs! I respect that!
dislike/like is the same thing, it's the views and interactions that pay.
Not really! If you have more dislikes than likes UA-cam won't recommend it so much, especially on people who watch your channel regularly.
Good topic, this is a very important question.
In the past, I had two similar motorcycle accidents.
The first time I only wore a helmet, the result was accidental surgery and 4 months of recovery.
The second time I was fully equipped, the result was 1 week of rest.
Same engine, same speed. Even the side and direction of the overturning was agreed upon.
I learned for life the value of motorcycle protective equipment.
Thanks for sharing!
another "advice"? 😂😂😂
@@user-ge9mt2pu6p there is no advice, only my own experience
Great video my dude!
"That video" was made by an "influencer" - Was a wake-up-call to unsubscribe from yet another "influencer"...
I'm glad you took the time to make a video from the "experienced" rather than "influencer".
Thanks for sharing!!
Excellent tips! Another great video
Thanks, man!
I've actually got a sharps 5* rating flip helmet which is higher than the majority of other brand adventure Helmets. I bought it for that very reason, safety.
It is louder for wind but I wear ear plugs anyway. The fact it flips means nothing to me, I don't use it even when I'm putting it on and off. Always locked down. It blows my mind that someone would buy a cheap helmet, or pick a colour/design over safety.
Also I'll take this moment to plug the helite airbag bag... It's awesome, and I confirm it works well. I wouldn't go as far and it saved my life, but I probably saved me some pain
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Am using the Alpinestar Tech5 airbagvest. Also works great!
Just as I was about to praise you 100% for being correct in almost everything in this video, you talked about flip helmets. I have several flip helmets for touring and not racing. I never ride with the lid open. I open it only when I stop. That’s the point. People can open the lid while rising and that’s their stupidity.
Well done for this video. ❤
Thanks for sharing!
I bought a flip up helmet and I agree - I don't even use the flip up feature most of the time. Only good thing about it the ratchet strap. I used to use Double D-ring but no more. Much easier with this. And I trust its strength.
Thanks for sharing!
This video is fantastique and true!! For all beginners, but also for experienced riders ... as a really professional rider you give us to see, what everybody would hide. But even if I had some not serios falldowns I always summer as winter I put on complete whol gear! When I was young beginner in the 70ties good moto-clothes were very expensiv, I had a old police leatherjackett, handkerskief, helmet - for boots armyboots from the troopers. For heaven sake I had no accident. Today it is much better, even the lowcost protection, if you dont have enough money, is better than nothing! Thank you for your always good input!
My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time!
Allo Pavil.,
I’ve always lived by my cousins advice.
For many yrs he spent as a despatch rider in London. He spent yrs on the bike from one end of UK to the other.
I asked him his advice on gear.
This is what he said. Always buy the best you can afford especially the lid, helmet.
It’s been a life lesson too.
NEVER TAKE CHANCES GUYS.
GET THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD OR, SAVE FOR IT!!🏍️🏍️👍👍🙏🙏🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
In stead of protectors I started wearing a full motocross harness under my riding gear. It protects better than just a few pads of foam. It has a much stiffer and longer back protector and multi layer hip, elbow and knee protection. It also gives me the flexibility to wear a moto jacket to town because it's less bulky. And when it's really hot, i ride with a motocross shirt over the harness and no jacket. Pants the same, when hot I can wear slacks or cargo shorts over the harness.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent, common sense advice and everybody should listen. It is no joke. Your healtyh has no price. I'd add one thing to what you mention Pavlin, a good airbag/vest and a neck protector.
I agree!
Hi Pavel
I never ever leave a comment but I have to say I really enjoy every video you have put out and you have really spoken the truth about the protection and the company's needs to know and feedback just like the way you explain about the quality and let people know what is the real thing is safety and protection for any motorcycle rider 👍
Kind Regards
Teady Connolly
Ireland 🇮🇪
Thank you very much Teady!
thank you 🙏 Pavlin.
My pleasure!
I learned something about the straps and zips on my clothing, that is very valuable information. THANKS.
Glad to help!
Great video! So many usefull informations
Glad it was helpful!
That about the wedding was hilarious 😂, I hope it's a legend only. Absolutely agree about always wearing full gear. It's'uncomfortable sometimes, especially with hot weather but I definitely prefer to sweat than fixing consequences of being stupid.
Thanks for taking the time, man!
Very useful video. Thanks. It reminded me to get back to being safe in terms of wearing my gear. Had become a little too lackadaisical 😮😊
Glad it was helpful!
Regarding the sun vizier, keep in mind that it is not as a strong material as the normal vizier so less protection.
For the knee protectors, they will move up while seating hence there is a need to move them down as much as possible.
Thanks for the hints and tips Pavlin. Ride safe
True about sunglasses.
Много добро видео! Абсолютно съм съгласен с теб Павлине, не на 100, ами на 1000%. За всичко. За цялата екипировка. Аз много отдавна НИКОГА не карам без екипировка! НИКОГА не карам по тениски и къси гащи мотора си, а да не говорим за джапанки, или чехли. Това разбира се съм го научил от собствен опит по трудният начин с оставяне на собствена кожа по асфалта. :) Модуларните шлемове са най-скапаните и най-тежките шлемове от всички други шлемове! Последният модуларен шлем, който съм носил беше през 2001 година. От тогава само затворени шлемове нося, като предпочитам ендуро шлемове с козирки. Ендуро, защото има повече място за дишане, а козирките, защото пазят повече и защитават от насрещното ниско слънце, когато караш срещу него. Е, от мен толкова. :)
Ами така е Владич, учим се от грешките, но е много жалко, че младите не слушат! Успех с пътешествията!
Wow Palvin, I'm glad you hit the dirt without serious damage. And yes, any riding protection is better than none. I've had some big offs and my riding gear stopped me from very serious damage. Great message as always.
Thanks for sharing, man!
Loved my modular helmet. After wearing it a bit I came to the same conclusion after I dropped the helmet on its chin and it opened on impact. Thanks for the tip on the back zipper.
Any time!
You are right as always!Thanks for advices and 100% agree with You!
Thanks for watching!
You are absolutely right!
Thanks for taking the time!
One of your best videos lately!
Glad you think so!
Very logic explanation around the science of protective gear. It also only works when you wear it! 🆒😎👍🏻
Thanks, man!
Oh that’s why u love tenere , u r dropping it down all the time and it still works😂😂😂. Hello Pailin greetings from Athens thank u for ur videos
My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time!
Airbagvest !!!
👍👍👍
Great option.
I agree with 100%.
Good!
I crashed into the side of a car that turned across my lane. My agv helmet cracked from hitting the road but my head was perfect. My rst lether suit saved my from skin damage,back damage and broken arms and knees. Without the suit i would not be walking 3months later.
Thanks for sharing!
Very good tips on safety and practical experience.Thanks.🏆👏🏻💐😊
Any time!
I agree with you, use gear all the time. It won't save you from speeds over 100 km/h but most of crashes is on lower speeds and that's where protection works perfect and can save you from some bad injuries. Never save money on protection gear, helmets, brakes and tyres
Exactly!
Much Enjoyment 👍😎. Full gear at all times.
Always!
Very useful and practical advice, stay blessed Pavlin !
Glad to help!
good job Pavlin, thank you.
Thanks for listening!
100% agree with You,Pavlin!👍
Thanks, man!
Excellent video. Will be making some adjustments to my gear.
Glad it was helpful!
I agree 100% !!!
Good!
Pavlin,,yes I agree with what you say ,,yes agree eye protection is a must,,how many times has a giant insect tried to take out my eye,I lose count,,,, But I am a Flip front junky,,,I enjoy the flexibility of flip lid helmets,,, and yes I do keep it closed 99% of the time, each of us never does everything 100% ,,we all move our bikes without the gear or go to the shops without the gear,,,,always sometime ,,maybe not very often ,,but sometimes we do,,, and I think you do to !
Thanks for sharing!
Very Wise tips 👍
Glad it was helpful!
All good advice.
Thanks for taking the time!
True 100%!
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Good!
Thank you, it`s very usefull!
Glad to help!
Great video Pavlin! Thank you! Ok, what could be more scientific than real life experience?!!!!! Believe me, I have reality tested my gear, and yes, it works!
Ride safe!
Thanks for taking the time, man!
Thank you for sharing your experience, excellet video. I have some of your videos and thanks to the information you provide based on your experience I decided to buy my Revit off track equipement. I consider myself a motorcyclist with extensive experience since I started in sports racing on the circuit and now with my 59 years I became an adventur motorcyclist. I stay with the saying "safety and comfort never go together". Greetings from Mexico !!
Glad it was helpful!
Always interesting and I can't disagree with you with your conclusions. Your last tip should be "stay lucky" because as we know being older riders that's the most important thing we need on our side. On a different subject I was in Bulgaria in August what a perfect country for motorcycling!
Good tip, I will use it next time. Glad you liked Bulgaria!
Pavlin, your are absolutely right. In every single point!
You wear the gear for the moment you hit the ground, not for the convenience.
As you pointed out, own experience underlines this fundamental principle.
If your riding gear, say a 3-season Gore Textil combination is too hot for you for the summer holiday, get hot weather gear without membrane but good ventilation.
Anyone able to affort an adventure bike should be able to have a second set of riding gear over the years. If new is too expensive, check the second-hand or season-end sale.
I anyhow can't take anyone serious riding with these flap helmets. They are for good reason not allowed on race track, they are too heavy and hot for off-road riding and of very limited protection if worn open. I wear a helmet for riding, not talking.
My preference in any but cold and wet weather is a motocross helmet with goggles. Ventilation is maximum, eyes are always protected, one just has to accept the inconvenience of thousands needles in riding in rain at speed.
For adventure travelling I wear motocross boots, the best I can afford and fit me. I had sufficient opportunity to enjoy the protection. If I ride, I ride.
The basic principle is protect yourself so you are able to stand-up after a crash.
The crash will happen, at some time, one just doesn't know when.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent common sense!
Good!
I've got my gear choice pretty spot on at the moment. I can wear the exact same things for about 8 months of the year. For the other 4 months I put just 1 extra base layer on. If its any colder than that theres ice so no riding.
Thanks for sharing!
After 48 years of riding I totally agree with you. I also saw that Ryan F9 video but only for a few minutes because of a lot of nonsense that was communicated.
A big misconseption that a lot of people have is that protective gear can nearly totally avert the consequences of a crash or impact. No they can 't. But as your showed with the example of your crash wit that car in Istambul they reduce or sometimes minimize it.
A backprotector for example can not impede the most serious spine injury - a paraplegia because that merely happens after a hard impact on an obstacle with the head or the feet.
But if your fall on your back it simply doesn't hurt that much and you can get away even without bruised ribs.
Exactly!
mayby if you rewatch it, this time complete, you will notice that his video was never about abandoning safety gear.
@@dejv667 Yes I know. I saw the rest of that video some weeks later. And yes it was not not about abandoning safety gear. But in my opinion it was a misuse of scientific work for confirming a personal view of things. And also it was that kind of clickbaiting we unfortunately find more and more even by bigger channels.
Yes, agree. A nice clip. Good advices. Helmet also = correct ! Even though, I myself ride a modular, and OPEN it, even at high-way speeds 🤷♂
A friend just had a crush on a scooter - open scooter helmet ( 1/2, or how it's called...) - broke the jaw, lost most of the front teeth.... In the city - at ~ 35km/h ! Another I know, had completely smashed his ankle / foot by a car - on traffic light - less than 20 km/h...... He had Snickers... So yes - essential advices you've given.
Only one thing with the helmets - the DD-ring lock. For the most of us, it is useless. The modern, quick, micro-lock is fine, unless you ride VERY fast. DD rings are a HASSLE to use. And with gloves - forget it. Yes, the DD rings - if you have locked it - it IS properly locked, while the quick one - you can, very well, have in a "half locked" position, which can be not a very good idea.
DD is definitely safer and not that difficult to use it. A few days of practice and it is fine.
Good on you for showing your accidents Pavlin. You are lucky that they have not stopped your motorcycling. Also,with hitting the ground,of course proper jackets & helmets are essential. But,also the type of ground! I have come off(somersault me & bike) downhill on river bank,with no injury. But on road is much harder surface & usually more speed.i
True!
It is better to "die" from heat, instead of injuries. Years ago I've crashed, high side, only real motorcycle protection was good, helmet, leather jacket and some Velcro adjusted knee protection under ordinary jeans (better than the beautiful air). That day they forgot to wash the road with Coccolino, so the asphalt was not so fluffy. Only 10K of luck helped me to not end in fatal circumstances, but the gear I was wear saved me from a lot of trouble. Since then, I invested in more gear and always wear it doesn't matter where I ride.
Thanks for sharing!
Completely agree with you: I use all the available gear, even when I’m just riding to the office (I keep an extra pair of jeans and shoes there).
Modular helmet: I only keep it open when I’m stopped, like at the gas station or if I need to ask for directions. Totally agree with you-if you ride with it open, it’s basically just a jet helmet, so it’s best to keep it closed while on the move!
Thanks for sharing!
I’m on my second Scorpion AT950 modular and I will never buy a helmet without an internal visor either. I ride in 95 to 100 degree weather here in Georgia, the one near Florida, and it has taken some rock hits and kept me safe while giving me some much needed air. I only open it to put it on or take it off. Great advice and great vid.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I was set against flip front helmets until this year, bought an x-lite x1005, the comfort and convenience is off the charts for touring compared to a FF lid.
I suppose it isn't as safe in certain impacts but every time you leave the house and go on the road is a gamble anyway,
experience and avoiding dangers trumps any safety gear.
Do whatever you like!
I had a bad spill in 2010 which left me pretty battered but nothing was broken. My riding gear was totally ruined but I was alive thank goodness. I never ride without all my gear not 1 meter, and am shocked by many younger people riding with regular clothes no gloves and just the mandatory helmet. They are in for a very nasty surprise if they have an accident, in the worst case they will be crippled for life or dead. PS, I do not watch Fortnine anymore because of the video you referred to.
To be fair, in that video he did not agitate to abandon the equipment. He said that manufacturers produce equipment with insufficient protection that only plays a formal role. He talked about the reasons for this state of affairs, and those soft boots that Pavlin showed us from the same series, when they make protection cheaper, fulfilling some formal requirements.
Even so, with a channel that big he shouldn't talk like that. Many will understand it wrong!
10:30 yes Pavlin but you are the Bulgarian Iron Man! 🦾😆 Good video!
Was lucky there!
Old school❤
Always!
All good wear it
Good!
I think “ if you don’t hit something “ like a tree or a vehicle etc and if you have a “ low side “ - front wheel wash out or slow rear wheel slide AND not going to fast “ in MOST of theses accidents with the right Armour say D30 you will normally walk away , BUT in a high side we’re you fly through the air that were the D30 style armour has its limits from hitting the ground or something else at speed or altitude. I think that’s why the new “ airbag vests etc will be the next standard gear for most riders ( when the price comes down ) this is from my 40 years experience of on and off road riding and injuries.
Thanks for sharing!
Прав си относно екипировката. Също така си прав и относно честотата на носене на пълна екипировка. Аз нося пълна екипировка само когато излизам да карам на по големи растояния, без значение дали в града или извън него. Но има една част от екопировката която никога не пропускам а именно - КАСКАТА.
You're right about the gear. You're also right about the frequency of wearing full gear. I only wear full gear when I'm out riding long distances, whether in town or out of town. But there is one part of the replica that I never miss, namely the HELMET.
В крайна сметка си е твоя работа, кога и как ще се обличаш.
Много бъркаш, колега! Да си моторист си иска жертви за твое добро.
Както искаш, така го разбирай! Аз компромиси не правя!
@@georgibakalov9922 Напротив, има голямо значение за къде си тръгнал. Няма никаква логика ако тръгнеш на кафе на 3-5км да се навлечеш с пълен екип. Всичко зависи от растоянието и терена. Но има минимални стандарти. Каска, ръкавици, наколенки (още повече ако ще си по къси панталони и мото-обувки (да ти държат глезените)
@@motorcycleadventures Абсоютно си прав. Това си е стандарт. Пък от там на татък всеки сам си преценява.
Fully agree, equipment is very important, since I use full face helmets I wouldn’t go back to modular ones. For me hot weather is the biggest barrier to wear my jacket, etc. and I’m always looking for solutions to be safe but also not dieing with a heat stroke😅
Well... as I said comfort and safety never work together.
If you wear merino wool underclothing you will deal with the heat 100% better.
@@newlife155 i’ll try for sure, thanks!
Some good advice, I never ride my motorcycle without my protective gear 👍
Good!
Great Advice! Regarding helmets, I was thinking of going with a Bell Moto III + goggles for anything over 45mph and some kind of shatter resistant glasses for everything else. I like the 'breathability' at slow speeds and not having to worry about the visor fogging up. I see a lot of moto-vloggers riding with their visors up + sunglasses, which seems to defeat the purpose of having a visor in the first place.
Googles are for dirt riding. They limit the visibility in the city.
Ofcourse riding gear is a must!
It Will save your life or make your injuries less!
Been a firefighter for 33 years and a biker for 36 years ! Experienced the diffrence……. And i have a T7 😊
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the great content as usual!!! Keep it up!
Sadly gear does not provide "remtoe support" so wearing it is the only way, cant agree more!
Quick question, can you please make a video explaining Handlebars, positioning does with matter, your opinion on Handlebars?
I believe it will not only help me, it will also help others.
Thank you!
I will think about it, thanks!
Great advice. One of my helmets is modular (Caberg, yellow for visibility) but I always have it closed when riding.
Good!
Hi Pavlin, great content, as usual! I would add also the gloves. Everyone subconsciously puts his hands out in front of him to soften the fall. Palms without skin and flesh, or without fingers are not pleasant.
I absolutely do not understand scooterists when they ride the same routes and at the same speed as us motorcyclists and yet they have only a T-shirt, shorts and sandals. Because they are a scooter.
Even with scooters you can have a serious injures.
In 40+ years i have broken a couple of fingers, right wrist, right fibula, cracked knee cap, several ribs, left collar bone, right big toe, small bones in right foot and ankle, right tibial plateau requiring ten screws and plate and right metacarpal last year needing surgery and three pins.
For over a decade i wore nothing more than mx shirt and pants, with the best mx boots, knee pads and helmet i could afford. Body armor was only worn for protection from stones being ejected from the rear wheel of the bike in front, or if the track had a lot of embedded rock. I wore the same mx kit with cordura enduro jacket when trail riding with numerous miles of tarmac to get there. I sustained very few injuries over that period.
Circuit racing I have lowsided during a wet race on oil and walked away from it with just bruises and burn marks to my leathers.
Higher speed crashes or hitting/being hit immovable objects (the ground) or another bike or barrier the leathers do nothing except keep you held together. The padding in them spreads the load of a point of impact, but unfortunately at the racing speeds travelling bones will break, thats just part of racing. Studies on back protectors are hit and miss with very few showing actual evidence of thoracic or rotational spinal cord injury reduction, EN1621-2 testing focuses more on abrasion resistance rather than these factors which is what the back protectors where originally designed for in racing. You may still end up with a back/spinal injury even when wearing a "ce" back protector. It depends on the nature of the crash and speeds involved
Adventure/dual sport riding i feel a lack of off road riding skills, poor choice of boots, 200+ kg bikes and in most cases 50/50 tyres where I'd want an 80/20 or even a full enduro tyre puts the average adv rider in a position where injuries will happen but could be avoided.
I've seen people on 1250 gs wearing hiking boots and no gloves "nipping to the shop" , a situation in a city where you are probably more vulnerable than out on a rode in the wilds.
I've also lifted bikes with huge aluminum panniers off poor guys pinned under them, one a friend was in pain but did not know til a a few days later he had cracked a bone. He had a 1k + adv suit on, but they dont do diddly in a situation like that, the moral there was use soft luggage.
There is a certain amount of abrasion resistance needed for the tarmac, as teen I melted enough jackets and holed plenty of pairs of jeans to find that out. Although there wasnt the huge selection of protection products available back in the 80's, a waxed jacket and thick denim was the preferred choice.
A £1200 adv suit with the latest ce armour will protect you more from the elements than it will an accident. It simply cannot protect you from broken bones if thats how you go down or hit something hard or immovable.
These days i wear more protective products than I've ever done, a modular approach depending on what ill be riding.
Mainly mx/enduro pants and jacket, base layer lightweight low profile body stocking with forearm/elbow and shoulder padding and a separate chest/back protector when needed.
I may wear a 3 season two piece touring/adv suit with installed protection for commuting purely as its quicker to don than layering up for a short ride. Personally they are not to my taste as a 3 or 4 season suit compared to layering is hot heavy and restrictive, the installed armour doesn't stay in place like it does in a proper fitting set of leathers and leads to me taking a risk to wear just the jacket etc.
I have done stunt demos in jeans, mx gloves and a tee shirt, a calculated risk for a short period under controlled situation.
But it was commuting on a dark cold morning where i was knocked off by a car on my way to work.
Thankfully i had stuck to my rule to wear full gear in the "I'm only nipping here, it will be fine" situation.
The textile adv suit saved me from abrasions and i had no other injury from being knocked sideways across the road. Ten seconds sooner though I'd probably be dead regardless of the gear as two 40te hgv's had just passed the other way, no armor is helping you going under a truck...
Thanks for sharing your experience! It might help many that are still wondering about this topic.
@@motorcycleadventures
You are welcome 🙏🏼
I think the "fashion " channel is clever to sensationalise these things for views.
Again your experience and valuable opinion open people's perspective which can be easily led by these influencers need for likes and popularity..
Everyone's needs are different and some people will simply just feel safer with some protection.
I just tell from my perspective and experience, right for me and maybe others, but each to their own as there is no right way, make it your way and learn from your experience I tell people.
By this time next year I may have changed my views slightly again, we are human after all 😊
I like your channel because i don't need to be convinced of you being the real deal, where 99% of the channels now are "Adv fashion" channels jumping on a train that left the station decades ago..
Good!
excelent video
Thanks, man!
Very important, I prefer Klim, and I have 3 different suits - heavy, rain, summer
Fair enough!
Words of wisdom full stop
Good!
PAVEL YOU ARE RIGHT DISGOURAGING RIDING WITH A FLIP OPENED HELMET IN THE CITY OR ON THE OPEN./ ROADS.
WHAT ABOUT OPENING IT ONLY WHEN AT STOP BEFORE REMOVING IT ?
One thing you show is you fall well. You rarely put your hand out which is the worst thing to do. When you fall you need to go with it and not resist. If you resist you break collar bones and wrists. Protection is useful but technique is everything(:-)
Agree!
This is really practical advice! I ride a cruiser motorcycle, and it seems I can't wear this kind of boots. Do you have any recommendations?
Buy the best that you can find for your type of motorcycle and always keep safety in mind.
I saw that Ryan statment when it came out and did not understand the point why Ryan said that (maybe it was to be talked about)!! Anyway, you are right Pavlin!
Thanks for taking the time, Carlos!
Fortnine’s point was that most of the available gear is substandard and doesn’t provide the amount of protection that we believe it does.
The take away is that we need to be much more highly selective in our purchases. Question everything offered.
If you have the bad habit of riding with the visor up like I do. Buy a pair of cycling glasses. They fit very easy and cup around your eyes to stop bugs or dust getting in your eye. Much better than intergrated sun visor
I don't want to carry another item with me.
Always better to wair the gear definitely better than wairing nothing, but for me i think the point that Ryan was trying to make is that manufactures are getting away with producing substandard protection. The way FortNine (with its popularity)approached this subject really got people talking about the subject and possibly creat change for the better in the industry. Well hopefully.
Not many will understand what he really meant, but a channel with such a long list of followers shouldn't say what he said!
I agree but it definitely got a lot of people talking about the subject. I didn't take my pads out of my safety gear after watching the vid but it did get me thinking about the quality of them. Hopefully that was the case for everyone else who watched it but I'm guessing sadly not .
I highly doubt that many understood it, read the comments on that video and you will see.
Where I live I see teenagers racing about in summer on mopeds and small road bikes in tee shirts, and shorts and I've seen flip-flops. I'm lucky to have several types of protective gear and I select what to wear on what I'm doing etc but it all has armour and proper boots and a full-face helmet are a must.
Thanks for sharing!
Luv. Y flip top helmet.
Thanks for taking the time!
Daily Riding with helmet & shoes only. Sometimes to get habitual wears my riding boots . While going at work.
It is your body...
@@motorcycleadventures As said prevention is better than cure.
No one ever want fail and everyone try to prevent accidents, but they still happens!
@@motorcycleadventures Yes.
Sir.
As said by you safety is an illusion. True Words.
I disregard that F9 video that said (for clicks) "this armour needs to be bigger to be more effective, so in the meantime I will take it out altogether".
Fair enough!
I just can only contribute from bicycle rider perspective, since standard bicycle helmet do not have face cover I fell down right on face in very slow speed about 10km/h, my nose and mouth were bleeding, my front tooth had died, I do not want to imagine what will happen in about 90km/h
Thanks for sharing!
I had full body protection when I dropped my GS and it fell on my shin where it was not protected by short boots. After a year still sometimes I feel pain. I bout a pair of long Revit boots immediately. Had I bought it initially, it would not happen to my shin.
Thanks for sharing!
I have numerous sets of riding gear to use and it all depends on what and or where I'm going and for how long and the same goes for the amount of luggage I will be carrying.
Good!
Personally, I do not bounce very well.
All the gear, all the time, please.
Ride safe 👍
I perfectly understand you!
Last time I fell from my trail bike because of ruts, I hit the ground with my right shoulder.
Despite of shoulder protection on my jacket, I have been suffering from shoulder sprain for 6 weeks.
No protection can help you from possible injury, depending the way you hit the ground.
What is your opinion concerning airbag for protection during off road trips?
Would you rather use airbag or body armor like cross riders?
6 weeks of pain with a protector, but can you imagine what would be without it? The airbag is the best option, but it is expensive and too complicated to have it on long trips.
Everyday i go to work with jacket, airbag, gloves, motorcycle shoes and.. jeans😅
Thanks for sharing!
Many years ago I bought my first street legal motorcycle. I put on a helmet and then my normal clothes and went a short distance to another store to get motorcycle clothes. Back then there was only leather gear and I found a good Halvarson gear that suited my body. I left the store and it was very hot so my first thought was to strap the leather gear in the back and go home in my normal clothes but then I put the leather gear on. A kilometer later, a car pulled out in front of me at an intersection. I managed to steer away from the car but then slid over. Leather gear had padding on shoulders, knees and elbows and the leather was chafed there. If I had my normal clothes on, it would have been my own skin that had been chafed...
Thanks for sharing!
yeah open helmet i used to be an instructor and used one all the time because while being an instructor have yo stop talk go stop again then again etc etc how ever while an instructor your slower and a bigger group of people so yes had to really but now no longer an instructor never would I use one so your right I wouldn't ether
Thanks for sharing!
They are pushing advertising for modular helmets I do not understand how riders can use them Very interesting video let us hope riders take note
It is what it is!
20 years ago I had a accident with about 20 to 30 km/h on my scooter (max speed 90 km/h). Slipped on a patch of oil on the wet street. This happend instant and my impact on the asphalt was with the left chin. The helmet was done. One day before was the last day of summer an I used a "half" helmet the hole summer because it looks cooler on a scooter. I chuck both helmets in the garbage bin. Never again without a propper helmet. The full integral helmet saved my mandible, maybe more.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
AA jacket with back, elbow and shoulder protection, AA motorcycle trousers or AAA jeans with protection, ADV boots, Arai helmet and gloves
What i want to get is under jacket armour like moto cross armour so that I get the armour to fit better. Then airbag.
Have crashed before. Would rather have the protection, than none.
Thanks for sharing!
Regarding the Klím boots, I think I heard from Bret Tkacs that 'any boots with "adventure" in the name aren't suitable for offroad riding'. Sounds like he was telling the truth ;)
Good, because I like Bret!
@@motorcycleadventures He's a good guy, very knowledgeable and he explains things very clearly. Also, his helmet-to-cap transitions are magical!
Agree!
Ha ha ha ha ha....Bret Tkacs.....self proclaimed guru...
@@PP-wz7mphe teaches professionally, proper riding is literally his career.
All the gear all the time! Riding without is crazy!
It sure is!