Personally, the saddest part of Solo's death was Chewbacca's reaction. They were brothers, literally shared a blood debt, Chewie probably knew him better than anyone (including Leia), and yet no one consoled the poor guy, no one gave him a hug, he was just left to grieve on his own. That choked me up more than anything else.
Before a trilogy is started, one single writer or team of writers must make a detailed outline of all three movies. It is madness to start a trilogy and have no plan what will happen, and to have different writers who are not working together write different movies.
I think it's what JJ had in mind, it's how 4,5 and 6 was made... it was only going to be just one movie at first and had a different director each time.
You know, like George Lucas did when he wrote the first Star Wars movie or that Indiana Jones series he made with Spielberg, both of which were made with no expectations of, or even really plans for, sequels ever being made. The notion of making film trilogies planed out as trilogies from the get-go, is actually a very recent phenomena (Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was actually one of the first). A lot of movie series were started with no plan to become a series (from movies like Back to the Future to Jaws to Godfather to Toy Story) because few movie studios are willing to sign off on sequels until after they've seen the box office returns from the first movie.
@@liljenborg2517 Can agree with that, except this little, tiny thing : Back to the future, Jaws, Godfather, Toy Story, Indiana Jones... None of those franchise were made as an overarching story, with each movie setting up the next one. Wich is clearly the case for this Star Wars sequel trilogy. This kind of writting might be a recent phenomena, but it is slowly but surely becoming a standart for AAA productions and was already something to expect from a new Star Wars trilogy, after the Prelogy being written like that. This brutal switch of writting betwen different producers really, really hurt the sequels. And since you can see in the next Star Wars trailer Kylo's mask being reforge, my bet is that the third movie will have this problem too.
They tried to make The Last Jedi darker and more serious in tone, but at the same time, they intersperse it with really dumb gags for cheap laughs that completely undercut whatever seriousness it was supposed to have.
Kind of reminds me when R2 gets spit out by that swamp monster in Empire. Then the scene ends with him comically spitting oil out of himself. Cue womp womp womp...
@James Fontana my comment didn't show up for some reason. I think it was due to the algorithm believing it to be spam or something because I had a link. Anyways that scene is completely different.
17:00 -- Rose is introduced, mourning the death of her sister Paige, a character with 30 seconds of screen time over the past 40 years. Glad Rian Johnson had time for that, but *no time* to show Luke mourning the loss of his best friend, Han Solo -- a major part of the series for the past 40 years. :/
You know what's even worse? The reason why the scene was cut is most likely because they wanted to sell Blu-ray Discs by promising that the scene was on the discs.
Most people, like 90% of people don’t hate rose for being a female or asian. I hate her because she has terrible writing. Her character sucked and didn’t contribute anything to the plot. Finn and Rose could’ve been cut entirely and nothing would change.
I’m not saying you’re one of them, but if the hate on Rose was because of terrible writing, then why did so many people bully the ACTOR not the writer?
It's guessable throughout the movie Cause people keep saying rey is Kenobi, skywalker and also people predict a Palpatine as well so when its actually turn out to be true That's it.
I forgot that was the whole reason for destroying the casino. That with the admiral's choice that made an okay movie lean towards not okay. At least in my eyes.
Same. I though we'd explore the backstory of Snoke, have Captain Phasma not get defeated anti-climatically for a change, and have General Hux be a serious and competent antagonist like he was in The Force Awakens. I also expected the first two to survive the film, since they've barely had a chance to do anything, and I assumed that General Hux survived the film so he'd be a recurring character in the sequel.
Ok here's why I didn't like it in the least toxic, and concise way I can put it. - Luke was terribly written. His father committed atrocities for some 15+ years as darth vader, and he still wanted to, and succeeded in turning him to the light. Ben solo has some dark side-ish intentions so luke decides to murder him in his sleep?? Luke wasn't written well. - Finn didn't develop a single bit, his whole arc in TFA was coming to be selfless and care for the resistance and others than himself. Then at the start of TLJ he is trying to run away, and goes through the same arc again, with an INCREDIBLE, very well written payoff. He sacrifices himself for the resistan- wait no he doesn't, rose saves him from a conclusive character arc, which brings me to my next point. - Rose was bad. She saved finn from a very good payoff to his development over the last 2 films, and her reasoning for doing so is saving what you love, as the laser battering thing is about to bust down the door and kill all her friends. So, she stops finn from saving what he loves, because he should be saving what he loves, not saving what he loves? Wha? - Admiral Holdo was also bad, just tell finn your damn plan, even after getting mutinied she keeps it a secret? Does that not seem really really stupid to the rest of you? And the hyperspace kamikaze was cool and visually pleasing it didn't make sense in a universe where autopilots are very plausible to exist, and her sacrifice was really just meaningless in all honesty if you think about it. - The conflict made no sense. Ok if you are running out of gas in space right, with no gravity, and you run out of gas going top speed, you don't slow down. There's no fucking gravity you could reach top speed and then cut the engines and you would *keep drifting*. - Snoke and Rey's parentage were wasted as you all know, I can understand this choice because of the theme of forgetting the past, both of those things were significant parts of their past and getting them out of the way was part of that theme, but JJ built both of those things up so much and to just say "no they are nobody, and snoke got killed", is disappointing. there's my pretty legitimate I think, reasoning for not liking it.
STRAF3x-how about TLJ having "bombers" in space? you need a lil gravity for bombers. I predict that Rey will become emperor because she thinks its the right thing to do against Kylo Ren.
I always thought kylo's guilt over han would drive him to seek redemption, and Rey's anger over her abandonment would open her to the dark - the last film would be kylo saving rey from the dark
@@ninjanibba4259 I heard so many good ideas float around - luke would return as a force ghost to haunt Kylo and turn him from the dark. Fin would lead an internal rebellion of child slave stormtroopers to take the first order down from within just as they were about to defeat the last Republic base. Rey thinks she's on a mission to stop/save Kylo, but it's actually driven by her own grief at being abandoned and she gets seduced by the effect these emotions have on her powers. Rey and Kylo get together at the end to put an end to the Jedi and sith and form a new, fully rounded force appreciation society (the skywalkers?) to heal the galaxy and help it sustain a new democratic movement. Just fan fiction, but it kinda makes what we got a little worse in comparison
@@ninjanibba4259 it seems strange that there's so much imagination and creativity surrounding these characters and this story, but that there must have been some kind of forcefield around the writers room where none of it could get in :)
The issue I have with Luke isn't that they didn't set up some stupid hologram, it's the fact that they bastardized the character to the point where Mark Hamil said it was no longer Luke. EVERYTHING Luke does in this film is out of character. If he wanted to die, why leave a map? If he could see the good in the 2nd most evil person in the galaxy, why did he try to kill his nephew for "showing some dark side tendencies?" Why didn't he actually go to the rebels if he was going to die anyway? Luke is not Luke in this movie. They substituted meaningful character arcs for cheap gotcha plot twists. Rey's parents are nobodies? GOTCHA! She's a Palpatine. Luke's here to save the day? GOTCHA! It's a hologram he's alive. GOTCHA! Nope he's dead anyway. Leia dies a tragic death? GOTCHA! Force powers she's fine. Snoke is an all powerful big bad guy? GOTCHA! He's dead, no one cares anymore. Also for supposedly the darkest movie in the trilogy, they ruin all of the tension in those dramatic moments with cheap comedy. Hundreds die while they try to escape, Leia is grieving at the loss. Next scene? Hey look how funny Finn looks he's a broken water hose. I can't even tell what kind of movie this is supposed to be? A space epic? A dramatic sci-fi? A comedy? Are we taking ourselves seriously or not? And that's not even mentioning the literal DOZENS of unfired chekhov's guns. Finn and Rey. Rey's parents. Fasma. Po's character arc just kinda goes away. He was a kid raised in the resistance but also somehow has a shady past as a smuggler so they can have a new Han Solo. They tried to do to much with the movie, and ended up with a cheap knock-off Star Wars movie. But it was very pretty.
@@dbirdbird535 Lets add that half of the things happening make no damn sense in the first place if you use more than two brain cells. -An entire FO Fleet can be stalled by someone playing a mama joke on their commander. Does the other captains don´t have authority to start their own fighters? Don´t they have standard protocols for situations like this? The Empire had some even for dumping their trash. -Poe gets demoted for ignoring the order to retreat and "getting" the entire bomber-squad killed. The only problem with this "logic", Leia could have just radiod the other fighters directly, relieved Poe of command and ordered the retreat directly whenever she wanted. Also, as leader of the Resistance she must have been the one who authorized the entire operation in the first place, so why sending the bombers out at all if she only wanted the dreadnaught distracted? -If Luke didn´t want to be found, why was he hiding right next to an ancient Jedi temple several people, including Han and Leia, knew he had been looking for before? -Holdo keeping her plan or the fact that she has one secret from everyone at every cost, even if facing a full blown mutiny. Which means she will be locked up and can not longer execute her plan, which makes keeping it secret even more pointless than it was anyway. -Rose "saving" Finn by crashing their speeders at full speed (which could have killed them both) a few kilometers away from their base, right next to the enemy forces that are ordered to kill them (which "should" have get them both killed). And then Finn "miraculously" making it back to their base in what could not be more than a couple minutes, while dragging an injured Rose over kilometers, through a salt field? All that so that R.J. can fool the "stupid" audience that Rose preventing a suicide move with a double suicide move had any sense or meaning. - Luke can project himself across half the galaxy to distract the First Order to buy the Resistance time to escape, but can not be bothered to tell a single person what he is planning so that they had to figure it out by themselves And several other complete non-sensical situations.
Can I just say how, even though he disagreed with the direction of the character that basically made his career and is one of the characters he will go down in history as portraying, Hamil still gave TLJ his all shows how much of a goddamn respectable professional Hamil is. I have huge respect for that man.
Agreed. As he stated, he decided he had to play "Johnson's Skywalker" as a different character from the original he played in the four prior films( "Jake Skywalker" I believe he calls him). Hamil almost always seems to give his all. He may not be the best actor in Hollywood, but he is ( I think) on of the most honest in his efforts.
@@vernonhampton5863 Phasma was supposedly put into a trash compacter on Starkiller base and was either compacted or blown up until the Last Jedi came out. I don't really care about that, we didn't see her die and she didn't do much. However the Holdo Maneuver effectively ruined every major space battle in Star Wars by asking one question: if it worked then, why not in every other battle? Why not fly a transport ship to destroy the Death Star and save the rest of the Rebellion? One transport would easily be worth taking down a Death Star in both relative cost and impact. Why not use single X-WIngs piloted by droids to destroy Super Star Destroyers, or to target Vader/Palpatine's ship? In The Last Jedi, there is no explanation. The Rise of Skywalker gives one, (it supposedly has a 1/1,000,000 chance of succeeding) but that means that Holdo had a 99.999% chance of missing. Sure, there may be attempts at explaining that, but they aren't good and they aren't supported by the movies.
@@joebomb1019Indeed, the holdo maneuver essentially rendered everything that had happened in every war pointless, because if you were in a war and expecting to lose ships and people, why not sacrifice a single ship to take out something much bigger and more valuable? A single x-wing would have dealt huge damage to the deathstar doing that if not out right destroyed it.
It's not the story decisions that made me angry about this movie. It's the discontinuation of story threads from the previous episode. And the way they framed "strong empowered women" as "like the boys only better and smarter and always right". (I happen to be a woman and this trend makes me mad. Why can't female heroes fail and grow and become stronger like everyone else? Why have they to be perfect and strong and secretly brilliant from the beginning to the end?) Poe came from an honest angle and risked life and limb for what he believed to be the right course of action. And not only Holdo framed him as a "trigger happy male" the movie did, too. Also the movie frames Holdos illogical choice to not disclose information to Poe and the rest of the crew as justified and to me it made no sense at all. There was good stuff in there but in my mind the internal logic of the movie was to weak to keep things together, like Finns and Roses side quest for example.
Totally agree. I have two daughters that I love. I want them to grow up strong and confident. I want them to succeed. I want them to realize that they are just as good as anyone else. I want them to fail, learn from it, and become better. Yet how does Disney portray "strong women"? They have to be better than the boys. They have to beat them at everything (often times physically) with half the training, no life experiences, and zero failure. If my daughters were to base their success off of Disney logic, then the first boy they can't physically outdo, mentally crush on a subject they know nothing about, or fail _at anything_ then they are not a "strong". Fortunately I am not letting Disney raise my daughters. Yet how many little girls are going to grow up with a Disney strong women mentality? How many little boys have grown up in our society feeling inferior because they are not the strongest physically and we put so much emphasis on physical strength? And these boys are on the same genetic "playing field" so-to-speak. Disney is so out of touch that they can't even see the actual mental harm they will do in their crusade to be on the "right side" of women's rights history.
Maybe women should not have any rights? At least for s time. The whole "punish all because of a few" thing. Let it simmer, then boil. The many will find the few, beat them to a pulp, and then return the rights.
@@danceswithgerbals1 Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a great role model for younger girls if you're into that. Also Ellen Ripley who is like the baddest bitch ever, but Buffy is good because it's a fairly long running series.
That's the big problem with JJ and why I'm not excited for episode 9. He knows how to create interesting set ups and hooks but doesn't know how to satisfyingly conclude most of them.
@@trevordavis6830 Well, generally he buggers off and lets somebody else conclude what he has 'set up'. He generally does better with stand-alone films where he HAS to come up with an ending himself.
"What is the point of all of this if we can't destroy three tiny cruisers?" General Hux would be excellent at CinemaSins. It's a pity that he's so unbelievably, comically, abysmally incompetent at absolutely everything else.
General Hux was played seriously in The Force Awakens before becoming a joke in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. General Pryde is pretty much Hux if he hadn't turned into a buffoon.
@tyler norton It should be worth knowing that you spend too much time watching CNN, and that is laughably pathetic. It's also widely known that social justice activists tend to defend these (bad) movies like it's their own mother, so I'm not surprised to see you do it.
John Doe you can’t deny that a small minority of the hate towards these films was Russian bots. I’ve literally seen them in UA-cam comment sections. They reply instantly and make no sense.
Its been done before and worked with Dallas, a 80's TV show. A whole season which included the death of a main character, was wiped clean, when the start of the new season shows that dead character (Bobby) having a shower and saying it was all a dream. So yeah erase the whole damn SW shit after Return of the Jedi, and start again.
Filmento in 2018: “All things considered, Episode IX will probably be one of the most difficult movies to script in Hollywood history” 2019: ”According to sources within Lucasfilm, there are 6 cuts of Episode IX, and they are doing reshoots because they need to modify the story. They are leaking plot details as market research, to gauge what the audience will react to” You, Sir, are a seer.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Not only that. 24:47 Filmento talks about MaRey Sue's parents, and shows the image of Jar Jar and Palpatine. According to leaks of ep 9, Palpatine is MaRey's grandfather.
....uhhh but literally anybody with a brain who had seen those movies would know that. After one movie sets up something and another has torn it all down, the third one is OBVIOUSLY going to be challenging. That's like saying water is wet and the fuckin sky is blue, and it doesn't take being a "seer" to see that.
I can accept Luke making a mistake and regretting it, since we all make mistakes, but the fact is that he chose to run away from facing his mistake, and in his absence, Kylo Ren and the First Order killed who knows how many people...and THAT is something that I can't forgive the writers for doing.
You realise that by the time Rian got a hold of the trilogy, Luke had already been away for years and the first order had risen? That's on JJ's shoulders surely?
@MrRight James a man needs to have something to redeem himself for if redemption is gonna be satisfying. Always thought he'd come back as a force ghost to haunt kylo, bring him back to the good side and then kylo would save rey from her darkness and the 2 would strike out as something new - not Jedi or sith. In this way luke could be responsible for the balancing of the force after all. Plus, you realise that while luke was away, the first order destroyed like 5 planets? What would he be protecting?
@MrRight James you are right, and I think JJ did screw it up both in the plot threads he handed to Rhian and in the way he muguffin'd his way to the end of the trilogy. What would you have done with luke having been given the screenplay at the end of force awakens?
@@domhuckle I think a good solution would have been having Luke being trapped on that planet. Like he wanted to get back into the action but was physically unable since he lacked a ship. Another possible explanation is Luke is training his next generation of Jedi and but they are not yet strong enough. He desperately wants to help but he knows he needs a squad of Jedi to win but also can't reenter the fight until those Jedi are ready to fight. Those are legitimately the reasons why I thought Luke was waiting prior to seeing the Last Jedi. Maybe Rey being there would bolster his forces and give him the confidence to decide that this was the time to get involved. Simply put, there were so many more in-character reasons for why Luke hadn't entered the fight yet that would have expanded the rosters of Star Wars Jedi. Like I think a film where we see multiple student Jedi enter the fray is a lot more interesting than a slow chase between the FO and Resistance. But Rian went with the ludicrous idea that Luke had just given up. And he also went with the ludicrous idea of making the FO suddenly rule the galaxy when the FO only seemed like a terrorist group in Force Awakens. The sad fact is there were lots of ways for Rian Johnson to take the story in interesting and more natural ways even when given the ending of Force Awakens. But instead of building on a lot of the opportunities the Force Awakens presented, Rian made things even worse with the Last Jedi.
That explanation from Rian Johnson about the force projection already being in universe was, in it self, made non-canon by Disney and so, unestablished for the purposes of the Disney timeline as it is not part of 'Legends'.
@JeremyCuddles But his explanation for it was a *non-canon material that's not in the movies series*. That's pretty bad for a major plotpoint and death of a beloved character for 40 years. It's a major power that has had no hinting of or been shown to us. It's a bit as jarring as Force Speed in Phantom Menace, as it comes out of nowhere and is dropped. For how it was used, it needs way more than 'oh this movie made it canon'.
Chaos Isaac every Star Wars movie made up force powers and I like that it’s at least hinted at in this movie when kylo says to Rey like “you can’t be doing this projection the effort would kill you” so I appreciate that it’s at least mentioned
Yeah, I was just thinking that too. When Disney straight up declared everything as "non-canon" when they started up Episode 7, and decided to go for erasure of the extended universe for all practical purposes, it doesn't let you just straight up use that extended universe as justification for literally anything in the movie lol. That definitely got on my nerves.
the force ghost thing is stupid and pointless because it didn't really achieve anything that couldn't have been achieved with him being there in person and is a waste of potential. I don't even disagree with the ability existing from a lore perspective, it was just poorly and disappointingly implemented in the movie Luke actually being there 1) lets an actual clash of lightsabers happen instead of ghostLuke matrix dodging Kylo's stupidly slow swing to maintain the idea that hes there, 2) doesn't immediately kill off the tension when it's realized that he's not actually there or in danger, and 3) makes his death meaningful in that it gives Luke a satisfying send-off and also cements the threat of Kylo as Luke's killer, raising the stakes further for Rey in the following film Luke being a force projection answers the question of how he got to the planet and how he survives the rain of laser blasts and not much else. The first is easy because his old x-wing is on the island planet still and the writers could've had the ship work still after it is lifted out (which is exactly what happens in RoS anyway), and the second is a non-issue because there was no reason for the laser blast to happen other than it being visually appealing. Kylo should have instead immediately opted to face Luke down personally and without hesitation or trying to win the 'easy way' first: because in an ideal world where this movie was good, Kylo would actually be a well-developed and menacing villain who has the confidence and/or arrogance to face Luke from the get-go worse yet, since Luke ends up dying anyway from over-exertion or some shit it makes the whole 'force projection' scheme to delay Kylo without actually putting himself in harm's way even more pointless. if the main character is going to be killed off in this sequence either way then what is the point of having him not actually be there and die in person? its just monumental stupidity
Late to the party, but I think the most important lesson we learned is to have a cohesive vision for the entire trilogy of big movies before you sign off on them.
@@adrenjones9301 RedLetterMedia's video essays critiquing the Prequels (in the character of Mr. Plinkett) along with The People vs. George Lucas are largely credited as the motivation for Lucas to abandon Lucasfilm and retire with his wife and new child. Whether or not it's entirely true only George knows. But he caught a lot of flak for his clunky dialogue and some poor decisions (for example: over-reliance on special effects). As an aside, many of the criticisms RedLetterMedia put forth have some merit--but it was probably the intensity for lack of a better word. I know this response is late, but so was I.
@@Lord_Reavous and yet Plinkett was 10000% right in every bit of his critique of the prequels, which were objectively far more garbage than the sequels, because Lucas had SO MUCH KNOWN TALENT and he absolutely wasted them all with terrible dialogue and direction. The entire Anakin/Padme romance is HOT GARBAGE, and it's a central theme of the freakin' saga. And that's just ONE aspect. They LOOK nice. The last movie has some good action - but the prequels were exactly as Plinkett said, made for drooling babies and morons who just wanted nothing but "MOAR LIGHTSABURRS".
The whole: "Get's torn apart for taking risks" is a straw man. The film is pretty devoid of logical character decisions and world breaking events. I like a lot of the ideas in the Sequels. But they are unfortunately nothing more than that: ideas. When I first saw Rey I immediately though of Nausicaa from the Ghibli movie. Scraping through the junk. And I really dig the concept. Unfortunately Rey is a character that has to do certain things because specific political ideologies demand it and not because the character would do them. Thats why she is capable of simply everything. The idea of a stormtrooper gone rogue is even more intriguing. But immediately after Finn escapes, in the rest of three movies we never see the toll that military training had on him. Or the fact that he's among regular people for the first time. Instead he gets a boner for Rey and that's his motivation for a big part of the story. Poe is another huge let down. When it's hurting the seriousness of the situation (when he meets Kylo Ren for the first time and the "your mother" moment) he's snarky and witty but when he should stand his ground (against admiral purple hair) he's scolded like a school boy. And after having watched Episode 9, with his background in smuggling this is so much wasted potential. Rogue one did this way better with Cassian Andor. Luke being a hermit. Sure. But it was so poorly executed that he didn't feel like the same character at all. From the incompetent villain behaviour to poorly designed spaceships (the bombers, the "fleetkiller" that is effectively brought down by one higher and one bomber) But the thing that get's me the most and that is probably the part that has driven this huge rift between a lot of Star Wars fans (myself included) and Disney is this insistence from Disneys side that criticism is only due to sexism and racism. They didn't want to make a movie. They wanted to make a statement. And they did. And a lot of people disagree with that statement. You know who actually did take risks? George Lucas. And he was being bullied for it so much in the end he said "F it" and sold the company. After more than 30 years, all we wanted was a scene where Luke, Leia and Han would travel together into space again for one last time. And with Carrie Fisher being gone that will now never happen. And even if you agree with all the agenda and even if you thoroughly enjoyed the sequels. Don't you think that kind of thing would have been an act of appreciation for the big thing Star Wars is, for the actors and in the end for the fans that made this franchise what it is through spending billions of dollars on it?
@@Korijenkins1414 Sure. You can also take arguments against capitalism and use them against communism. That doesn't mean that they make sense in the new context. Even in the small number of situations where the arguments against the sequel trilogy also apply to the original trilogy, there's still an issue of scale. People will bring up things like "Luke could fly a fighter the first time he got in one!" and things like that... but there were only a handful of things he was good at, and many more that he was very obviously _not_ good at, whereas Rey was not just good at _literally everything she ever attempted in the films,_ she was usually _better_ than masters with there being no possible basis for it based on the existing canon. Hell, she makes Anakin (who is basically Force Jesus, and has a better excuse than anyone to be overpowered) look like a chump!
@@coryzilligen790 Of course, but that doesn't acknowledge other issues. Luke had literally no training. How could he duel Vader? Hell, how could he even strike Vader? He had no saber training whatsoever. I distinctly remember Rey getting whooped by an out of shape, exiled Luke with a stick as well. Rey being overpowered wasn't really the key issue, I think it was Ren being underpowered. TFA did a great job building him up as a villain, and when we finally saw him in action it was... disappointing. He fought like a mad dog. On that, what was Luke not good at, because I genuinely struggle to see it? Good pilot, good shot, good mechanic, good swordsman, etc. Lets talk about Count Dooku for a second as well. When we saw him in Episode II, he easily bested both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Easily. He didn't even break a sweat, then fought Yoda to a stalemate. When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense. You're looking for consistency and common sense in a series where there isn't much of it. There are established rules, but a lot of times those rules are ignored for a better scene or a better shot or a better surprise. It's easy to scrutinize the fuck out of the sequels because they are new films and it's considered popular to do so, but you'll find just as many, possibly more egregious issues with the original trilogy if you did the same, and certainly with the prequels. I don't go into these films expecting some sort of flawless timeless masterpiece. Arguably only one of the films out of NINE even reach that level.
@@Korijenkins1414 You seem coherent and reasonable so I am at a loss as to why you think this is, well, either of those things. "When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense. " These aren't integers and even if all the characters had a "fighting skill" statistic like in an rpg there would still be other factors that would need to be accounted for. Just naming a few that seem intuitive as I am not a starwars loremaster who knows all the rules and shit. In Ep2 anakin and obi wan were probably a lot more tired than in Ep3. There was also some time in between the 2 and as anakin is an apprentice we can expect him to train daily. The setting is also different and palpatine is there. Also the high ground thing makes for funny memes and all but it does portray why Anakin lost to an opponent that was less skilled than him, or at least that is how i perceived it.
8:20 I politely disagree with this statement. I personally disliked both of the films. I disliked TLJ MORE because it went out of it's way to Ruin the characters of Old. It's not that Luke became an old Grump; it's because he tried to kill his nephew at the FIRST instance of an "evil" reading (while Kylo was sleeping) When he went and tried to convince his dad to leave the Dark side....because he felt the TINIEST sliver hope inside. It's all due to a lack of proper explanation....all given explanations seem to go against anything set up in the previous 6 films
John Doe a decent script would have saved it and note the cast did their very best instead of ignoring the previous movie use enough and tighten the script so it made sense. Holdo for example being Republic Navy, most of the Resistance already evacuated leaving a small number aboard Holdo's capital ship that had to hide in an asteroid belt for time to effect repairs. Finn being sent to Canto Blight revealing it was a trap set for him by Snoke also ESB. Use Finn to draw Rey out revealing she is already a fully trained Padawan due to being raised by a Jedi Survivor on Jakku! Phasma is Rey's Aunt she helped her escape in TFA revealing why she did what she did. Finn is handed over by DJ so he can sneak Rose & BB-8 aboard so DJ gets paid both sides. Sorry I really need to get over this!
This! When people say Luke makes sense, this is what I point to. They even say Kylo was too far gone by that point and I’m like “how?” I would think committing genocide would be too far gone but Luke didn’t see it that way in ROTJ so how could a 15 year old kid who hasn’t done shit be too far? This movie is trash.
Luke's situation is one of the worst examples of telling instead of showing. For a director who did an excellent job doing a similiar job in say Looper, I am honestly appauled at why Rian did not show a full flashback. And yes; it is a Rashomon style flashback. But style over substance does not cut it. Luke is too important of a character. We need to know what happened to him. 30 years had passed and really there is no damn excuse for this. Fanatics can cite whatever books, comics etc. they want. If you, me or anyone require supplementary material to understand a movie, then it is a failure. Overall, it is this,combined with a lack of a plan, that I have given up on SWs. People can enjoy these new films all they want, but to me they are hollow husks of what was once something amazing. Even the Prequels had a spark of life to them. I never thought I'd ever say that...
I'm actually more disturbed that Luke Skywalker, of all people, would abandon his friends and sister during a time of crisis. He basically said FUCK YOU to the galaxy and went to Ach-To to die. As Rian Johnson said in the Last Jedi documentary, Luke is a hero because he does nothing. Folks, I think laziness can now be considered heroism ;)
Chris Balze Here's the thing, Zack Snyder ALSO hates the classic goodie-two shoe heroes Yet HIS superman was more loyal to the source material (although the end is debateable)
Glad to learn Mark disagreed with the way his character went. I felt it was a butchering as well. The Luke in the expanded universe (murdered by disney) is easily the greatest character in star wars to me.
Any film trilogy was never going to be able to compete with the EU. There are literally dozens of EU books exploring every corner of the Star Wars setting in detail films cannot match. That said, Mark changed his mind about disagreeing with the TLJ version of the character. Personally I find the TLJ version of the character plausible but think they really needed to support such a major character shift with more than three brief Rashamon style flashbacks.
@@irrevenant8724 I agree. I feel like showing Luke turning into a bit of a gray Jedi works perfectly, considering the circumstances. His character was revolved around the feeling of hope. He was always hopeful about the future. Imagine having that much belief about rebuilding an entire Jedi Order only for it to be ruined by your nephew. The solution I would propose is actually showing Kylo killing the padawans. Luke should have still sensed Kylo turning to the dark side but should not have acted on it. That decision should have led to Kylo's fall. You could start off the flashbacks by showing Kylo's training and how he was the best out of all the students. So good that Luke believed he'd end up replacing him in the future. But his actions would get uglier in time. Kylo could begin showing more and more raw power during the training flashbacks and possibly even force pushing another padawan during a practice duel so hard that they get injured. This would be an effective way to show how he has a bit of darkness in him. Luke could proceed to lecture him and Kylo would actually end up apologizing to the padawan and tell them that they should have a rematch once they're healed. The padawan would not take this too kindly. Then you move onto their rematch. The padawan uses a cheap tactic halfway through it and this makes Kylo furious. He attacks his opponent even more viciously than before but ends up being interrupted by Luke who ends the fight. They have an argument about how the Jedi Code states that "There is no emotion, there is peace." and Kylo ends up becoming even angrier because the padawan was the one who didn't accept his apology and tried to get revenge. This leads to Kylo erupting in anger as he questions the morality of the Jedi Code and just goes to wherever his dorm is. Luke tells the padawans that he'll speak to him the next day as Kylo just needs some time to regroup. Little does he know about what happens that night. While he's sleeping, Kylo begins murdering the Jedi. This sequence has to be shown though. In fact, he should give them a chance to join him or fight against him. He makes a meaningful speech about how the Jedi Code is not morally correct and how the Jedi used to take children away from their families and such. That's the order they're trying to rebuild. This leads to some students joining him (they should've been the Knights of Ren) and some opposing him. The opposition is led by the padawan he had feuded with. Long story short, the knights and Kylo win. But Kylo beats that padawan so badly. He swings one strike after another, as he did in TROS to Rey, and ends up killing them after giving a second chance to join. Then, you can switch the roles by making Kylo the one who tried to kill Luke in his sleep. Luke barely makes it out alive by pulling a pole of his house down to create a wall between them or whatever. When he begins to escape, he looks back to see a burning temple and Kylo standing side to side with a bunch of other students. Luke would lose so much hope in a situation like that. He ended up saving the galaxy by showing Vader the light but then delayed his conversation with Kylo which led to him go full Anakin inside the temple. That would totally fuck up someone's beliefs. That is how it should have been. That flashback would easily run for minutes, showing everything that's led up to the current timeline
I actually disagree completely on the idea that Han's death was one of the most emotional SW moments... I felt very very little. I wasn't surprised b/c they telegraphed it from a mile away. I wasn't connected to Han anymore since they literally reversed his entire character development from the OT at the start of the movie to recreate the same guy we met in the beginning of ep IV and it felt very artificial to me. They reduced him to a plot device for getting Rey and Finn access to the higher ups in the resistance and mostly the relationships between Han and both Rey and Kylo felt shallow and superficial, leaving any payoff for the death feeling extremely weak for me.
Eh, Han Solo was a bandit with a heart of gold; he learned to take responsibility when necessary but his entire personality and attitude toward life didn't change, that would have been weird. It seems like you're implying he should've just wound up getting the Star Wars equivalent of a regular 9-5 desk job, and THAT would be out of character. I think it's just that his acting felt a little stale and uninspired; he really didn't seem that excited to be there, which of course is why they killed him off in the first place.
@@viljamtheninja I think you're missing the point. Han was the same rough and tumble rogue throughout the OT, but he grew as a character and went from "I'm not in this for your revolution. I expect to be well paid," to being extremely torn between helping the rebels and getting the bounty taken off of his head, to being a rebellion general leading a borderline suicide mission in the name of the cause. I'm not expecting his personality to take a massive shift out of nowhere, but it makes no sense that he would go from being a key player in the rebellion/new republic where in all likelihood he would want to participate in establishing the new republic, to going right back to being an outlaw and swindling people for money. I agree that it wouldn't line up w/ Han's personality if he was a run of the mill beauracrat, but there are plenty of things he could do for the new republic that would fit his personality. Even if he was given a beauracratic job I think it would be interesting to see how that affects him. Maybe he is sick of a desk job so he goes off on his own to find Luke, or he starts doing clandestine ops for the republic... or maybe he even becomes an outlaw again, not to smuggle goods for money, but acting as part of the extra-judicial portion of the resistance. The thing that makes no sense is that he helps establish the new republic, is married to a very powerful figure in the republic, is best friends with the master of the new jedi order and his reaction to everything falling apart is "better abandon everyone and go back to being a conman preoccupied with get rich quick schemes." The mere fact that they made smuggling for a quick buck a priority for him shows that they ignored all the character growth from the OT, which makes it not feel like the same character to me.
@@viljamtheninjathey literally deconstructed him. The han in episode 7 is like the han in the beginning of episode 4. It makes no sense why he would just run away and become a smuggler because his son became evil
"most compelling questions" have you seen lost? there are no answers to Abrams fucking questions, there are only more question and questions within questions until the whole thing collapses and everyone suddenly realizes that Abrams was full of shit all along. He basically made a career out of that
LOL. Most compelling questions? Intentionally hiding answers to simple questions to give the illusion of compelling mysteries. Where is Luke Skywalker? Idk no one really knows. Really? Not even his best friend or sister. That seems convenient. Who are Rey's parents? Ooooooo it's really important but we're not going to tell you so you're anticipating it like the reveal from the original trilogy. Who is Snoke? Idk let's let the next director figure that one out. Snoke's backstory or character should have been properly established in the first film as well as the First Order. How did Maz get Anakin's old saber? "A good question for another time." That is literally word for word the line in the script. A cop out bullshit ass lazy ass line. These questions weren't really all that compelling. Abrams doesn't really create mysterues so much as hold information hostage to get viewers to come back. That's really what the issue is with this new trilogy. Abrams created too many mysteries that weren't genuine mysteries but withheld information instead. Rian saw all of that bullshit and decided to actually tell a story. As okay as TFA is it doesnt have much in the way of storytelling. It's intentionally an incomplete story. JJ is a talented director but for God's sake finish telling a whole goddamn story.
Here's the thing about those questions and with one answer that both JJ and Rian said. "There is no direction to these movies." So that should already tell you that they don't really know what their doing.
The six things i hated most about TLJ were: 1. Luke being turned into some self hating, depressed old man who nearly killed his nephew as soon as he senses some rebellious teen hormones yet his father was literally a dark lord of the sith who wiped entire populations but he spared him and spends god knows how many years on some random island crying about his temple and drinking tiddy milk. Also not being given the chance to die like a true hero and is instead still sat on that island and uses force shitpost to distract kylo instead of fighting him face to face. 2. They built snoke up for a good two and a half years having fans speculating over his real identity only to kill him off suddenly with him only having about 10 minutes of screen time throughout both movies even though he was the most interesting character (also killed in a shit way like luke but didn't make sense) Could use the force to connect rey and kylo's minds from across the galaxy in order to manipulate and get rey in a trap but couldn't sense kylo was going to switch the saber on. Seems legit. 3. Rey's parents, something else people were speculating for 2 years and had the potential to be an awesome reveal turned out to be... nobody. So her parents were nobodies but she has this great connection to the force and learned what it took luke forever to do in 5 minutes. Also seems legit. Very disappointing and a huge missed opportunity. 4. Turned phasma into a boba fett that has about 2 mins of screen time and gets blasted into space and loses everytime she faces the rebellion even though she clearly looks like she can handle herself. At least boba captured han. 5. The casino planet. The whole scene. 6. Rose tico. I found her character very meh but the icing on the cake was at the end where she stopped fin from sacrificing himself. He was also a character i didn't care for but just as i was about to respect him for sacrificing himself to save the rebellion she comes along and ruins it just for one cringy line. Literally put the whole rebellion at risk and if not for luke with his wizardry she would have single handedly fucked the whole rebellion. That isn't even all the things. I could go on and on about the forced humour, princess poppins, the blatant similarities/ripoffs of the empire strikes back ect but i would be here all day. Looking back, it was worse than i thought.
1. I hope in TRoS, this is explained (then again, I wished it was explained in TLJ). Luke feeling depressed that he nearly killed his nephew, dark turn from the usually doubtful optimist okay explain it. If it was explained that, Luke (in the words of Yoda, always looking to future but never looking at where he is in the moment), pulled his saber because he saw no light in Ben (like at all. In Vader, he saw the conflict and the light in him) but only Snoke's influence over him, I could see him going into action after seeing a potential dire future where he saw Han, Leia and his students' deaths. 2. I don't remember any buildup of Snoke (Phasma is another story) outside of fan theory. Now, had Snoke been a broken piece of Palpatine it could lead to something new. For instance, Snoke taught Ben at a young age how to separate himself from the light allowing him to gain access to untold power. The only caveat, is that the Force creates a new life from the remainder and Rey is that remainder. It's not saying someone, like Shmi Skywalker was a nobody. Even on the scale of things, it was only the first (major) of many steps to Anakin's path to the dark. 3. Same thing in 2. A path was set and symbolism there from the Jedi pool in Luke's temple or through Kylo/Rey's Force communication or their connection in TFA. Scavenger gets inside head of uber powerful Force user and bests him in combat? Something's off here. Why is Kylo getting the call from the light (Leia's hope) in TFA and why does Rey get a call to the dark but isn't seduced by its power? The power of their link should be enough to kill them or the interloper but it's not Snoke pulling the strings. It's because they're two sides of the same being. She is Ben's light half personified whereas Kylo Ren is no conflicted as much as broken and no longer whole. So to answer the question, it's not that Rey's parents are nobody or were some mystery, they're were never integral to the plot to begin with (much like Snoke, Phasma or DJ) they were simply obstacles for character to overcome. 4. Yeah, I can't defend that. They did her dirty and her deleted scene showed how calculating she could've been. 5. Seems to take less time on re-watch. That said, the venture did expand the lore. If the Resistance was quietly funded by the New Republic, then the First Order was funded by the elite here on Canto Bight (whether through arms sales or other investments, I just think if the group were sympathizers to the Empire they'd probably be human (just look at the OT)). 6. Rose had a good setup, I just hated how she essentially became Finn's Jiminy Cricket compared to DJ as Lampwick (yes, Finn is Pinocchio) However, in spite of its flaws, it has many. It was the first to purposely connect to the prequels. Illustrate the majesty of the Force as something of nature, not quantifiable. Made Luke interesting (at least to me, I thought Han, Leia and Lando were better and Luke was simply there in the OT. Here, he had lost his optimism, bound by legend he was undone because he was human, could have left the mourning scene that cut to Leia mourning). Introduced, new concepts to the lore (one that became a plot point in Solo),
1. The Jedi forever were about stopping dark siders before they gained power, no matter if they were saveable or not. Remember that Windu tried to kill Palpatine the second he was disarmed and Obi Wan didn't attempt to sway Anakin when he realized he had become a Sith(with him and Yoda similarly telling Luke on Dagobah he had to kill Vader). He instinctively drew his lightsaber because he believed he could stop him when Ben had been corrupted by Snoke and he realized it, but then he realized he was an idiot. Luke has long been a person of instinct, even when it went against plans(going to save Leia when the groups original plan was to escape the Death Star, leaving Dagobah with his training unfinished, leaving the team to save his father, etc;) Luke not facing Ben in person is one of the most Jedi things ever, defending the Resistance and doing so non violently(which was always the Jedi way). Besides, he couldn't have left the planet in any form because his X-Wing was destroyed(the metal door Chewie busts in early in TLJ is one of the wings and the rest is sunk, most likely for years). 2.No defence for that. I do want to know what Snokes backstory was, how he turned Ben and who he was before he took control of TFO, but I don't need a whole trilogy for it. Maybe A comic. But Snoke has no more info than we had on the Emperor in the original and he was super built up, only to die being tossed down a shaft and exploding. Probably Johnson was trying to copy that, only with the "betrayer"staying evil. 3.They've said Reys sudden ability to use the Force so perfectly is because of Ben linking with her in his attempt to force(lol)his way into her mind and even her force and lightsaber skills aren't that great. Snoke easily whipped her around, she beat Ben....who was limping and bleeding from a wookie bowcaster shot, she took five tries to do a Jedi mind trick on one stormtrooper and she lifted some rocks. Don't know why people treat it like her being Yoda in Episode 2. As to her parents, thats one of the major points that I love about TLJ. She....isn't.....anybody....important. She's not Lukes daughter, she's not Bens secret twin, she's not Obi Wans granddaughter and she's not Vaders nephews cousins former roommate. She's nobody. Now on the other side of the card, theres Ben. Son of two heroes of the Galactic Civil War, nephew to a third, grandson of Vader/Anakin, etc; Even the ending with Broomboy before the credits shows that anybody can be a hero, even if they're not part of the Skywalker legacy. Bens legacy is one of the reasons he's so twisted. 4.Still don't think Phasma's dead, that damn armours been hyped so much. 5.The casino wasn't that bad. It shows how war profiteers live in the galaxy and introduces us to the kids, among whom is the Force Sensitive kid who is inspired by the Resistance. Hardly useless. 6. Thats really silly. Finns sacrifice was going to FAIL. It was said straight up that his speeder was breaking up and he wouldn't make it before the cannon blew him into Finn shaped ashes. While the romance was stupid and shoehorned, Finn being stopped from killing himself for nothing makes sense, as so many people had died all for their"heroism"throughout the movie. Rose's sister for one, and it was all pointless because Snoke had his bigger ship waiting in the wings.
@@phousefilms 6. Finn was moving at max speed, and Rose was going the other way. Yet she catches upp and overtakes him, and rams him in his side in about 2 seconds. She killed off the entire resistance with that. Even if it was going to fail, not trying at all was = everybody dies anyway. Hunky dory BS deus ex machina Luke magic prevented it, but NOONE saw that coming. And they didnt both get absolutly massacred by the first order just laying out there in the open. And on top off that, managed to run a couple of kilometers in 2 seconds.
Yea here’s what I hate about TLJ: Everything... Rian “Cuckboy” Johnson himself. I feel sorry that Mark Hamill has to Participate is such a pile of shit.
Part 1/3 [Introduction no star wars] -*no spoilers* I'm reading a fantastic french book called "How to win a war" from Jean Philippe Jaworski. I Hope it It will be translated in the common language someday, highly probable. The hero is a kind of truand who managed by his skill to have a very highly powerfull protagonist in the republic., he is on a boat from his republic and their are pursued 3(heavy) vs1 (light). Odds are impossible from frontal fight, flee is the only option. But it doesn't work.☺ Even if they win 1V1, could win 1V2, 3V3 is too 1%chance of winning or less, enemy ships are too fat, numerous soldier and fuck physic like a goat in sahara. the third just can break it by eperonnage. But they HAVE fast ship, their strat it to go in front of the wind and outmanoeuver theim. But it doesnt work☺. Something is going wrong. Veterans doesnt panick, thei will fight to the death. The capitain refused commands and win a major battle for their tiny but high skilled republic, he was glorious. Saviours deify him, almost, they trust theim at their deep core. PART 2/3 [Links between starwars and human on a vehicles (air/marine/ground) What is a difference between a marine ship and a space-marine from alien serie, chain of order, commands, autority, respect and act even the decision is quite surprising or revolting, they have to stick to it. From the wtf situation from ground battle with swords, to ships of magellan and his ships fleeing to a certain died with logistics almost condemning the whole plan. Disorder and revolts mainly leads to defeat to epic victory. Magellan finally reach the pacific and legend was been done (btw they discover Brazil way before everyone else, a simple "refuel point" for water and food, but the officers are so superiors they didnt share Jam with Vitamine C and scorbut to the sailors, the english did by deduction...the disease disappear so fast..) PART 3 [Star Wars General Holdo (Holdo? Purple air..] - as the super captain of my book, he shared information with his crew, respect, confidence, plans to battle or manoeuvers. No spying possible. - but HERE she share nothing, almost. The mainly crew fall in dispair, the plan keep secrets and it as good cards but also very bad ones. I think the fact the depression of the crew didnt matter , it would change anything to be Hope mode or doomed mode; I try to defend here, I prefer perfect coordination on a ship. - Oh super pilot, i will put you in your place, faggot (humiliating for spectators, both sex) - Asian girl , preventing cowards to escape, good thing at this point only. Like the navigators to hang their own sailor to show authority and power. Love it; But they dont kill them, we are in the future you know, convention of geneva *cough* . Just power up your stunt instrument, cowards stay cowards but how to justify murders in a critic situation where these guys can have low skilled jobs. [bonus] Everything i write above is useless, the super pilot poe can receive the plan, understand it as the only way, even the sacrifice of the main big aircraft would be a thing. HE will understand, HE has to option of counter attack, and he can be a very good officer (lightbulb) at this point, only in the ice prison he finally gets it. Survive. Guerilla, whatever you want. You can put to knee/humiliate any form of superpower nation/Empire if you find their weekness. And the Empire and copypaste got MANY from economic/philosophical levels even stategic. etc (vietnam, ben laden, [In conclusion] : My personnal taste : Kylo reen, which i MEh at the beginning is now my favorite character. The last of the trilogy will probably a mess J.J Abrahams disney $$$ style. But I want something. The death star 3.0 commited a genocide beyond mesure. The rest of galaxy must react or their universe is complete nosense. Continents revolted against UK , France (Napoléon), Ottomans etc etc. And their, you ave fuckbois who blow whole planets full of people, this is not terrorism or strategic , it's pure evil. NOBODY CAN SUPPORT THAT. so It needs a reaction, or just put the movie to the trash. Bye
This is the crux of all the criticism of TLJ. People complaining about things in the movie. Poe tells Finn and Rose to hurry up because Holdo is evacuating the ship. So many people work very hard to find faults that not exist with this film.
Well obviously she only had to teach a lesson to all the toxic males, like keeping her effective second in command in the dark about it, but all the women knew it. And you know, gossip, so everyone else knew it after a while, probably the sand people on Tatooine even heard of it. If only Poe had been more attentive.
I don't know if he really contractually could have.. They own his character Luke .. And he pointedly for The Last 5 Years ever since Disney has bought them up has had qualms about what Disney and later specifically Johnson has been doing to Star Wars and to Luke.. But whatever he says and does, whatever qualms he's had at various interviews and sessions.. He's always come back to the point that Disney owns the character can do with it as they want.
Let's not forget that Mark played Luke in three movies over 30 years ago, and he played exactly what George told him to. He started out as a whiny wimp, became a padawan who disobeys the wiser Jedi to try to save his friends and fails spectacularly with one hand less, only to be much much stronger in trotj. But I don't believe there's anything personal of Mark in his portrayal, so I don't think he knows "what Luke would truly be like" 30 years later, any more than any other moron.
@@Hgoenge81 the point of it all was that he climbed his way to power and it was earned, plus in his wisdom, you could see that he wanted to save his father badly when he understood why he turned to the Dark Side So why would he suddenly change that perception for his nephew? His sisters child? That makes no sense, when you’re in the business of helping others, you don’t just change that, time doesn’t matter on that
Rian took a huge dump over everything Star Wars was and then called the fans stupid for hating it. I hope to god Disney realized the hate was actually costing them money and doesn’t allow him to direct another trilogy, I really wonder what a Jon Favearu trilogy would be like
I had honestly forgotten about the existence of this movie, and that made me a happier person, now that i accidently stumbled on this video my anger has suddenly come back, truly baffling how poor the writing for this film was, so many plot holes, poorly written characters, wasted characters, useless plot lines and semingly ramdom and nonsensical story decisions that have no logical explanation, in fact this movie has brought out so much anger in me again that i find myself writing a whole damn paragraph (on another language since im not a Native english speaker) about how flawed it is at almost 3 AM
Been a lifelong fan. Never thought the day would come when I wouldn't be excited for an upcoming star wars film. Yet I couldn't care less about Solo or episode 9.
I find it laughable that to defend his decision on Luke's Force abilities, Johnson pulls out a published book on Star Wars lore. What about all the mountains of books published in the Star Wars universe that were declared null and void when Disney acquired Star Wars? Are they simply allowed to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't based on their whims, while demanding that fans get over their own butthurt? Kind of disrespectful and hypocritical.
Did you not find it at all hypocritical that captain "Let the past die" goes digging through ancient expanded universe books to excuse his bad writing.
Are they allowed to pick and choose? Yes, you idiot, that's precisely why they did it; like the Marvel Universe and Comics, it's null until they can choose what part of it isn't. That's how resourceful creativity works. Not excusing his poor execution, but you're arguing against the wrong things. Force projection could have worked if it WEREN'T used as an ability exhibited at the the moment it was by a character whose presence makes more emotional impact if known to be real and actually physically vulnerable. It's idiotic to argue against the use of the ability. Rather, it'd be more consistent to argue against it's use in the aforementioned context.
The Last Jedi is not about letting the past die. The only ones who said that were the villain - why would anyone agree with the villain - and Luke who was too focused on the past and the mistakes he made until Yoda woke him up by burning the tree down - and the Jedi books are still there, for Rey took them - and inspired him to move forward and be the Luke the Resistance needs. Besides force pulling the lightsaber was not a thing until Empire Strikes back and neither were force ghosts or moving large objects. And Hogan how would Luke have gotten there, for his ship is obviously in no condition to fly and if Luke was there, he could have just used the force against the walkers or pulled star destroyers out of the air, which fans would want to see and be hugely upset if he did not do something like that. By having him be a projection it takes away from him doing something like that and lessens fan outrage and it also plays into Kylo Ren not being perceptive and brash. Besides most of the audience did think he somehow made it there and was in danger.
That and the fact that Johnson didn't take the decision to throw the EU out of the window. He actually served up more fan service than Rogue One, if you look at the way he links Episode VIII to both the Prequel trilogy and the OT, as well as the Expanded Universe to bring in some of the lore that fans were complaining was missing. And without that Darth Plagueis = Snoke theory that made no sense and would have wrecked the whole arc of Anakin's redemption. ;)
I just realized that the Critics Consensus on Rotten Tomatoes says that "The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy [...]" - no, it does not honor the saga or it's legacy in any way, and that is the problem.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 A multi-billion $ Franchise that had major success at the Box Office (yes, even the new trilogy), that created a merchandise empire and thousands of stories and characters in games, comics and books, that inspired several writers, directors and artists and even influenced technology by creating fans that went on to get jobs to make their dreams that Star Wars gave them come true - And you don't consider that a "rich legacy"? I'm not saying that you have to love the franchise, hate it if you want to, but it certainly has a rich legacy that very few other film franchises come even close to.
legrandliseur tri bruh there's literally a lightsaber fencing sport and there are small businesses that makes money from making various designs of lightsaber. You really think star wars doesn't have legecy??? It has the biggest and most influential legecy in entertainment history that has been going strong for over 3 decades.
Subverting exceptions seems to be just having multiple anticlimaxes over and over again rather than putting something that seems good in front and center while having something better waiting in the wings
Agreed. Subverted expectations should not feel like needing to sneeze and not being able to. That being said, I did really like the twist with hologram Luke -- like, nerding out in the theater wanting to rewind and watch the fight again level loved it. It was the only twist I felt was properly forshadowed; especially the moment I realized the cameras had made a big deal of showing us Kylo's feet repeatedly during the fight, just to rub it in that he's leaving footprints *and Luke isn't!* (Sorry. Still nerding out, apparently {:D ) But, yeah, most of the movie was unnecessary plot filler or sneeze disappointment :/
My expectations were totally subverted: i was expecting a "meh but ok" movie like the one before, instead it went full retard. My expectation of a good writer taking care of star wars were completely subverted.
Why does everyone say The Last Jedi was original Take? That movie is The Empire Strikes Back with a little of Return of the Jedi it's not original. The main plot of Empire Strikes Back is running away from the empire while Luke trains and another planet. The main plot of Last Jedi the resistance running away from the first order while Ray trains on another planet A battle on a white planet in a trench with the the enemy of attacking both movies And the scenes with sonke felt lot like the scenes with Palpatine in Return of the Jedi.
@@BakaHoushi in a universe, it is, it makes it unrealistic and stupid. We had 2 world wars. And many countries tried to win they same way in ww1, but it turned out different in every way, proving history doesn't just repeats
@@jamesfontana3135 both Jurassic World movies have less similarities to the previous movies and everyone calls rehash this has more similarities and no one calls it a rehash.
I've been a _Star Wars_ fanboy for my entire life. I was born the year before _The Phantom Menace_ dropped into theaters, I was part of the hype for _Revenge of the Sith_ in 2005, I dove into the deepest wells of the old Expanded Universe and quietly celebrated the coming of new blood to the fandom with Disney's half-reboot of the franchise. I had genuine hope for the films after seeing _The Force Awakens,_ which I still thoroughly enjoy to this day. But only as a standalone experiment thanks to its unfortunate legacy. I have only one thing to say about the hellish firestorm that is _The Last Jedi:_ It is a good movie, even a decent _Star Wars_ movie, but it is a horrible sequel.
I remember weeks before seeing TLJ, I had a dream of seeing the movie. But when I came home after watching the movie, I forgot everything. I was so sad and angry for forgetting the whole movie. Than I woke up and realised of was a dream. Then I saw the actual movie, and I wished that I could forget the whole movie, like I did in my dreams.
JJ can't save this series because he can't write a good ending to save his life. Just look at Lost, Star Trek, Super 8 and every other project he was a writer on. His majic box system is great for starting series but is usless in finishing them.
@Red I am not saying that Rian did anything good. The Last Jedi is a bad movie but The Force Awakens isn't that much better either. Rian fucked up by telling a new story and finishing off the OG's in a bad way. But JJ made a sub-par Star Wars movie while he copied A New Hope. He had the original blueprints to Star Wars and still failed to create something cohesive and or great quality. And you need someone with those qualities to save this trilogy. JJ will fail. Not because I hate him, but because he does not have the skills to make it better than what it is now. It is not all his fault but he decided to make it his responsibility.
TLJ has a serious tone, are you kidding? It literally starts with a terrible "your mother" joke. I agree the acting of Luke Skywalker was fantastic but what Rian Johnson did to the character should be a criminal offense. He took a character that inspired millions and turned him into a self-pitying, pathetic shell of a man who died without redeeming himself and now cannot do so. Unforgivable.
Cory Zilligen Ok...jokes do not stop a movie from being dark. Everyone pretty much lost in that movie. It’s still a little darker than the previous film!!
Wasn't his talk with Yoda and his eventual sacrifice to buy time for the resistance (or the republic, whatever) the part about his redemption? I'm pretty sure that was the intention.
@@thefirstbourne149 First of all, I think you clicked reply on the wrong comment. Secondly, the movie is still a tonal mess. It's one thing to put jokes _between_ dramatic moments. It's another entirely to _repeatedly_ interrupt the dramatic moments with cheap humor, like TLJ does. The opening scene between Poe and Hux is a great example of this, as the jokes Poe makes at Hux's expense and Hux's childish reaction makes it impossible to take the First Order seriously in that scene, when _everything else_ about it is clearly supposed to be setting them up as something to be afraid of.
Here’s a major plot hole, Leia gave Rey a bracelet that was to be used as a way to find the Resistabels after having found Luke. This is covered in FA and TLJ, then some 30 seconds later we have multiple people saying it’s impossible that the First Order tracked the Resistabels through light speed. Here's another kind of important issue with the film, the time period spanning the end of FA to the beginning of TLJ is less than a week. You know what would have made an interesting story, how the First Order went from no major holdings to owning the galaxy in seven days. Here’s kind of a minor issue, the way the weapons are depicted as working do not make sense. First it was the towers that couldn’t shoot one ship, then the bombers that basically self destruct upon a successful payload deliver, then the First Order fleet only carrying four tie fighters, then the energy weapons of the ships lobbing shots, to finally the speeders that fired zero shots and accounted for delaying the First Order advance for a grand total of 0 seconds, every single weapon system made no sense. Here's another minor problem, the Resistabels were running to the planet to contact their allies, who are their allies? I’m not sure what they spent on this piece of shit they called a movie, but it was clear they spent nothing on ensuring continuity.
JJ is so 'good' in writing 'mystery boxes', he is having problem with unboxing them himself. Letting JJ to FINISH a story will be really interesting. lol
Alex Stewart - Can't agree more. JJ is a typical TV series producer whose sole 'talent' is to prolong the 'seasons' till everybody is fed up and nobody is watching. And let's face it, these days, a movie trilogy is just another 'glorified' season. Movies are becoming TV.
I still dont know why anyone thought han dying was shocking. It was the most telegraphed moment in cinema. So much that I laughed out loud in the theater when everyone gasped.
I remember the time when they first showed the Last jedi trailer. Everyone were excited and people started making fan theories about Snoke, Luke becoming evil, Rey's parents or Rey's turning to the Dark Side. But when the movie came out, half of the fandom doesn't like it. Despised it.
1. Massacred logics. If you can kamikaze any spaceship with light speed, why are there no rockets that can do so? Why exactly are all factions firing lasers instead of over-lightspeed rockets that annihilate anything? Lightspeed engines are cheap (every Xwing has one). 2. Admiral. She doesn't look like a person to trust, with that teenager-like purple hair and weird sweater, but that's not the case. Why does she need to keep the plan in secret? That only draws one more problem. 3. Finn/Rose arc is pointless. It changes nothing in the main arc, because their plan fails. It changes nothing in the character development, because Rose is generally more of a villain (she just kills Luke by stopping Finn's heroic sacrifice) and Finn doesn't change after all. 4. Rey is Mary Sue. She doesn't train fancing yet kills several elite bodyguards of Snoke. She doesn't have any problems through the film (except maybe a problem of staying close to the Dark Side, but she overcomes it anyway). 5. Ben Solo's development in TFA is denied. He becomes the new Supreme Leader after being THAT close to the Light Side. 6. Luke is completely out of character. I like Snoke's death though. It was a pleasure to watch.
I don't even know who "Ben Solo" is lol, so Han Solo had a son who turned out to be a bad guy? I literally don't even remember that. Which probably says more about why this film failed than anything else tbh
That you can ram things with light speed was already mentioned in the first movie, so that's not a new plothole And with Rey being a Mary sue... Let's not forget that luke managed to defeat Vader with at most a few weeks of actual training, even though Vader is the most feared and effective Jedi killer in the galaxy, or Anakin, the chosen one of legend who everyone knows is super important, the only human in the galaxy with fast enough reflexes to be able to compete in the pod races and who destroyed an entire Droid control ship without any proper training when he was 10 years old.
@@anna-flora999 While the Anakin part is a fair point, Luke did get his ass handed to him in his first duel with Vader. Later on it could be argued with Vader's feelings towards his son got in the way of his usual strength in Jedi killing. Even if it was mentioned in the first movie about light speed ramming, it's the scope of it's effectiveness that is the most damning since one ship ended up taking out a entire fleet. Personally my main issue is the fact lightspeed Ram was possible despite running low on fuel.
@@anna-flora999 Actually Luke didn't become a real Jedi until episode VI. Rey already had fighted and win in the very first episode Kylo Ren a fucking Skywalker trained by old Luke in combat and use of the force since child. As mentioned Luke had his ass kicked by Darth Vader in episode V and VI that was just taunting his son to the dark force, Kylo and Rey at the time were complete strangers to each other. And finally, Yoda didn't trained Luke physically, he did trained him mentally as opposite that Anakin was trained, when Luke sees him in Darth Vader helmet it was a reminder of what he could become and how Yoda was trying to prevent that. Luke vs Darth Vader always was a emotional duel. Rey is a joke seriously.
A little off topic, but the guidebooks like "The Jedi Path" "The Book of Sith" and "The Bounty Hunter Code" are absolute candy for anyone into Star Wars EU lore.
Finn says "that's impossible" when lightspeed tracking is mentioned yet seconds later he knows all about where the tracker is, how it works and how to disable it. He even has schematics. Did Finn just forget? Was he lying? Also, Rose's sister got literally vaporized in space yet Rose has her necklace moments later, how did she get it? Did the necklace use the force and fly back to the ship like Leia? Did Leia grab it on her way back? That's the kind of stuff that bugged me.
Geek Chorus Finn only knew where the dedicated server would be located. In the film, Rose and Finn discuss that a tracker utilizing a high rate of algorithms would need to have its own dedicated power source, the largest on the ship. Finn says he knows where to find that source, as he used to work in that area. Not a plot hole, sorry mate.
Imagine if he brought out her parents in chains and told her about all the horrible stuff they did after abandoning her for selfish reasons, he could try to convince her to kill them
One thing I don't see mentioned often is the extra crushing expectations if you read the expanded universe. Like of course Luke was never going to be what he was in EU Star Wars (a guy who can close black holes or weild multiple lightsabers with the force). But to have SUCH a fall of a man who the entire movie was built around finding was not just subverting expectations, it would be like if you went to a Superman movie, but instead Superman was just a cranky old dude who eventually decides to dust off just his freeze breath to help slow down Doomsday so some humans can escape, and then he dies. For those who have never read a comic or didn't care about him that is a neat and interesting new direction! For those who grew up idolizing him, it is disappointing and devastating.
Strange that if you overexert using the force, you die or be one with the force. The prequels, the none of the Jedi that overexert themselves and nobody died. Obi-Wan never overexert himself to be one with the force. Yoda was old, and didn't overexert himself to be one with the force. The sith regularly overexert themselves, and remains alive. So Luke dying made people in the cinema cry, while I get to scratch my head, and say What?!!
Well, actually we don't really know for sure if he's dead, right? Indeed, he disappears - but a good story teller could use this as camouflage for something more interesting than what the movies contains as they are. I doubt any of the previous story tellers are up to the task, though... they've done enough damage to the concept already. :-/ I do think it would be cool though, if this was just another hologram, created by Luke in case someone DID find him... makes sense, since he really doesn't want to be found, right? It could also protect him from the wrong guys - e.g. Sith - if they found him.
brufnus I dunno. Rey and Leia both say that Luke is gone at the end of the movie. Maybe JJ will somehow explain it without Luke dying. I doubt it, though.
Stopped caring, i just view these as expensive fan fiction and nothing more. I don`t hate it anymore then i would hate some 9-year olds script where they insert themselves into the story and they beat everyone. It goes like this. "Whatever kid, if that is what tickles you. Just don`t expect me to pay for it."
You're just not playing enough attention, you missed the plot point that made everything make sense, or too much attention, omg it's just a movie/TV show, stop looking into things so much. Stop trolling, our media is great, look here are some experts to tell you why you're wrong and why our products are classics and something must be wrong with your life if you don't think so. Something something fan theory. I guess blaming the consumer is easier than admitting to the shareholders that you made a bad product.
Siana Gearz this is a valid complaint; I frequently criticize the notion that supplemental material is needed to understand concepts in a movie. If it’s needed, your movie didn’t do it’s job. HOWEVER COMMA Star Wars fans (and generally hardcore fans of sci-fi & comic series) can be notorious for citing supplemental material to make their arguments, especially when the movie deviates from it.
For real. Like the Last Jedi wasn't just a bad Star Wars movie, attacked everything that made Star Wars beloved and unique with deliberate precision. You don't get a film like the Last Jedi by accident, it has to be deliberate. Rian stikes me as a man who as a lot of ego, as evidenced by how he refused to take any criticisms following this film. He never, ever even sympathized with anything dissenters had to say in any capacity. I think he went into the Last Jedi wanting to make his mark on cinema. But instead of creating something amazing like the greatest directors, writers, and actors etc have done, he decided to destroy something amazing. Because that's a lot easer than creating something amazing and it will be just as remembered for it's notoriety. And you can't tell me Rian didn't want to destroy parts of Star Wars. The Last Jedi destroyed classic characters, classic ideas, classic themes, and even the lore and continuity of the universe. A huge message the film was to destroy the past, kill it if you have to as said by Kylo and reenforced by Yoda destroying the Jedi tree housing the Jedi text, a moment that clearly symbolized breaking with the past. Rian wanted to break with the past and he did that. He killed any semblance of legacy and history in Star Wars but the problem is, legacy and history *defines* Star Wars. As such, the Last Jedi was an attack on Star Wars's very identity and it's obvious why the backlash was so severe. Fans love Star Wars love its history, legacy, and continuity meaning and were justifiably outraged when the Last Jedi deliberately destroyed those things.
Many of the scenes, ideas and characters of the sequels *could've* worked out well and have been glorious for a new Star Wars story. Grumpy Ol' Luke, disillusioned by 30 years of failures (eventually rediscovering his faith in himself and the Force) *could've* been great. Kylo Ren doing a "classic Sith" and murdering his master to take his place (surprising everyone by becoming the new "Big Bad" of the story) *could've* been great. An epic slow-paced chase through space, the Resistance a hair's breadth from annihilation (the stress and paranoia of being under constant threat leading to mutiny), *could've* been great. Rey's parents being nobodies, forcing her to reevaluate her own identity and goals (perhaps leading her towards the Dark Side) *could've* been great. Luke appearing as a Force projection to distract Kylo (maybe as his big comeback, before rejoining the Resistance in person or heck, even as a Force Ghost appearing to Leia or Rey) *could've* been great. If only it had been written in a way that made sense any kind of sense at all in relation to, the previous movies, the established character traits of the various characters, and internally within the movie itself.
exactly my opinion. This concepts were great. But the setting wasn't the right one. Episodes 7,8 and 9 should have been about the rise of Kylo Ren and about Luke falling into depression. With 10,11 and 12 being the actual sequels that we got. That's why depressed Thor in Endgame works (as a concept): we saw his struggle in Ragnarok and especially in Infinity War. We didn't get so to see Lukes version of it.
I used to think I didn’t like TFA, but then I started to like it and absolutely hate TLJ when I thought about how much of a major piece of shit Rian Johnson is for doing everything he did in that movie.
@@stefanoolivotto2391 Felt very much the same. I'm having very low expectations for Episode 9, still holding out hope that maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but knowing that it's likely to be bad just nor as bad as it could be.
I felt TFA was "meh, but well, they need to introduce a whole new demographic to Star Wars, so I can see why they're copying A New Hope. If the next one is good, then it's okay". And then TLJ came... Yeah, about all that...
I knew someone who stated ‘I never really liked Star Wars till the Last Jedi’ And yet she didn’t realize how much that simple statement said. Exactly, this isn’t the Star Wars that true fans enjoyed.
“There was a lot of good here. Daisy Ridley’s Rey was brilliant as usual as was Kylo Ren”. There’s your context. It is still wrong. Rey is boring, arc-less and, yes, a Mary Sue Kathleen Kennedy fan-fic insert put in for ideological, rather than dramatic, purposes.
Another random Tristan then enlighten us. What is the context? It seems clear that he didn’t think Rey was part of the problem in the movie. Rian destroyed most of JJs creations: Snoke, Kylo’s helmet, Rey’s parentage, Luke’s lightsaber, Hux as a viable villain, Finnand Po as major characters, etc. but he left Rey alone. Filmento is decidedly not criticizing Ridley or Rey. What part of the “context” indicates anything other than the literal statement that Ridleys Rey was and is brilliant?
Because the writers and directors of the sequels are stupid and because they did not allow any male character to gain any prestige. Prestige is reserved for the "strong female" hero Rey. That was most obvious when Rose prevented Finn from making a heroic sacrifice to save his friends from certain death. In that scene, Rose proved to be the villain of the story. The prestige envy was also the reason for the assassination of Luke Skywalker's character. The male hero of the original trilogy had to be humiliated and his personality annihilated to make room for the "strong female" hero. That's toxic femininity in a nutshell, shown on the big screen.
I used to watch each Star Wars movie 40-50 times... I watched the new ones once. And it's not like they don't know how to write great stuff, Clone Wars was an incredibly written show.
That's because of the minds behind clone wars, Dave Filoni is the man who helped make clone wars the shining star in modern Star Wars. Filoni gives a shit about the universe of Star Wars as much as making his own characters. The clone wars and even rebels is some of the only post prequels Star Wars content I enjoy.
And rogue one was pretty great, but I can’t stand any of the new stuff, safe for maybe solo, but that film only works if you pretend its just “A Star Wars story” and forget they’re actually butchering one of the best characters ever
Agree. I watched the original trilogy EVERY WEEKEND when I was in the 7th grade. Watched the new movies twice, and only because my kids wanted me to watch it with them
Your not, most people just liked the TFA because they were so hyped up for anything Star Wars and could get by purely on effects. The honeymoon period has past and now we can actually look at the films more soberly. Which is that it's TFA is a boring, inferior version of A New Hope, that is largely inoffensive, but not interesting. The Last Jedi on the other hand was offensively to our intelligence with it's inconsistencies, Mary Sue characters, the complete lack of a Heroes Journey of any kind, making other characters weaker or dumber to make the Mary Sue seem amazing and the absolutely disgraceful miswriting of beloved characters.
I liked TFA when I first saw it. it had some weak scenes and moments but it felt like it was building somewhere. TLJ retroactively made me hate TFA because all of that build up was wasted.
My issue with the Force Awakens was how they handled Han's death....I remember seeing Lord of the Rings in theaters and watching Gandalf fall off the bridge and then the melodramatic music as they exit the mines and the hobbits all fall to their knees and start weeping....very powerful for someone who may not have read the books because they had setup Gandalf as a likable character in just ONE MOVIE. Han had three movies where he was setup and I felt NOTHING when he died.
Not seeing what's wrong with his death, he died a good death. What else could you have expected from him? What?! IF you felt nothing, it might have been a you thing. not expecting you to weep or anything but at least felt something. Again, not seeing how han died a bad death at all.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Characters barely reacting, the story barely changing, and the character's best friend not even getting time to mourn or be comforted by others. Awful writing, and an awful way to do it.
@@Swordsman99k LMAO What? The hell are you even talking about? The characters DID react to Han’s death and the Story DID change overall, the hell are you mumbling about here as your not making any sense here at all. The character’s best friend, if you mean Luke, not talking about Han’s death was a mistake that should have been shown in Last Jedi, but that was on the last Jedi, NOT on force awakens. And Leia and Rey DID comfort one another over Han’s death as a whole so your not making any sense acting as if nobody didn’t address that at all. It wasn’t “aWfUl wRiTiNg” at all NOR a “aWfUl wAY tO dO iT” either, you Star Wars fans always whining and moaning over absolutely nothing. It was an overall fine way to end off Han’s character, it could have been done better, sure but that was perfectly fine to do it as we’ve seen it. Jesus Christ, get over yourself as there was barely any issue there at all at that moment me plot point. Whining like this over nothing like a child.
The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force Filed under: Legends As in non-canon. Anything in that book doesn't exist in the current Star Wars universe and should have been properly set up.
And besides, why the fuck should the average moviegoer and/or SW fan have to do their homework? Reading supplementary material should never be REQUIRED.
+hirotocrash MTE. I would like examples of when all force powers were explained before being used in the OT. Since people love banging on about it so much, they must've set them up very carefully in the originals, right? Right?!
versena Repeat after me, this is the EIGHTH INSTALLMENT in the saga. Repeat again. You don’t have as much freedom in establishing rules as in OT. Even if the continuity is not a problem for you, you don’t get to say people that think continuity is broken are wrong.
The problem for me isn't that the new Force powers (or unexpected uses of old Force powers like Leia pulling herself back to the ship) aren't "set up," it's that they're used in a way that serves no purpose other than Lucy yanking the football away. "OK, so here's Leia's death, could be tragic or heroic--YOINK! No, actually, she survives. But her ability to use the Force like this never factors into the story before or after, and now they'll have to kill her in the Opening Crawl if they don't wanna use a CGI revenant in the next movie." "Luke shows up for a touching reunion with Leia and an epic showdown with Kylo! PSYCH! Not really, he's just projecting himself as a hologram. Too bad he never used this to be the perfect spy for the Resistance, but it's a pretty awesome ability so now he can use it in the fut--oh, nope, YOINK!, he just dies and blows away in the wind because somethingsomething Force-overdose." "Rey is The! Most! Powerful! Force User! Ever! And she's drawn to and connected to Anakin's old lightsaber somehow, so she's gotta have a deep connection to the wider narrative, right? Nope--she's just a random orphan, like Broom Boy at the end; everything's just random and disconnected now." There's a lot of this in the new trilogy, not just Force powers. Snoke--emerges from nowhere, goes to nowhere. Hyperspace ramming--suddenly a thing, but I won't be a bit surprised if nobody ever thinks to use it again, weaponize it (hyperspace torpedoes) or defend against it (Interdictor Cruiser escorts for capital ships). The First Order, with resources, ships, etc. that dwarf the Empire--just appears out of nowhere and now they're all blown up (but don't be surprised if there's an EVEN BIGGER Even Bigger Death Star in Episode IX). The New Republic created at the end of Return of the Jedi--just gone, never amounted to anything anyway. The Canto Bight supblot--takes up a significant portion of the entire movie, but could have hit the cutting-room floor without leaving a noticeable hole in the main story. It comes down to a complete lack of narrative continuity. It's so pervasive that this trilogy isn't so much a new story, as a flashy Dubstep remix of the Original Trilogy: "Let's have the Hive of Scum and Villainy be all posh and rich instead of a dive like Mos Eisley! So clever and innovative!" "I know--let's do the Battle of Hoth in reverse, where the transports go TO the white planet--salt, not snow, so it's totally new and unexpected--to face the giant walkers instead of escaping!" "Let's do the Palpatine throne-room scene, except the climactic battle is against the guards instead of the Emperor!")
Soul Links A Mary Sue is a character that is way to good at everything. Looking back to Luke in the originals, he started out as garbage. He trained for a day with Obi-wan, then for 6 months with Yoda. And after all that, he still got shit on in his first fight with Vader. It also takes him forever to learn how to properly use the force, and even after training he is still weak with it. Compare that to Rey, who with no training or prior experience with a lightsaber, destroys a trained warrior like its nothing. She also manages to master a Jedi Mind Trick in about 30 seconds. There is a clear difference between them, and I hope this rant helps you differentiate in the future :).
Except that's not true. Rey had prior training with weapons and spent most of her life dealing with space ship parts and stories about the Jedi. She knew what was possible, but was still inexperienced. In the end, she barely managed to hold her own against a Sith Warrior in training who was already barely keeping himself alive after being shot by a weapon that should have killed him instantly and after he had to fight someone else. Compare a lot of this to the stuff Luke also did after little to no training, including things thaty were never established as possible up to that point.
@@BakaHoushi Sean Goss Rey has had no training with a lightsaber, I don't know where you're getting that from. Knowing how to use a staff and a sword is completely different, and she wasn't trained, its implied she was self-taught. Compared to a Sith warrior who has had years of training, its no contest. And it showed in the movie that being hurt is a good thing for Kylo because he fights with anger. "She knew what's possible" yeah that's not how you master a skill in under a minute.
She was self-taught in using basic weaponry. She can swing a stick. She didn't have some masterful use of the blade. She was wailing on Kylo. She was no Obi Wan. She wasn't even an Empire-level Luke. She was someone whose done a lot of fighting wailing on a half-dead and exhausted foe. And yeah, she learns to mind-trick a storm trooper after a few tries. Kinda like how Luke learns to pull objects from far away with no real training on that subject. And nothing compared to young Anakin basically using instinct and blind luck with no training to fly ships and win battles with no training.
This is one of your first videos where I just genuinely disagree with your statement and don't feel like you really understand /why/ the films received so much backlash, and it's kind of unfortunate. You, no doubt, have taken the route of a professional movie reviewer who strives to find good in these films - but does not fully appreciate or understand where they came from, nor just how horribly polarizing and manipulative they are. You can see character development in Rose, but don't see the issue of Luke not mourning Han Solo for even a moment after his passing despite those characters being extremely close, far more weighted connections than two random asian girls. You don't see the issue with Leia immediately comforting Rey at Han Solo's death, a character she hardly knows and one that should not care in the slightest about Han, rather than Chewy - who spent decades with Han Solo, in life or death situations. The story is literally twisted to benefit this one character and not in a good way, rather at the expense of characters we know and love. Rey and Rose did not earn anything, they were given everything and the audience was told to like it.
Well, firstly the scene with Leia and Rey happened in TFA not in TLJ, so it's kind of weird to blame Rian for this. Secondly, Luke and Han really haven't seen each other in decades. And as a Jedi they believe in peace and balace, that death is inevitable and must be accepted as a part of life. When Anakin told Yoda about his fear of Padmé's death he simply told him not to worry and just accept it if that happens. Also, what exactly gained Rose by the end of the film? Nothing. Her arc was needed to help develp Finn(he was introduced in the first one and if he would've been the one to be sidelined it would've caused an enormous Backlash) as a character and to show people outside of Skywalkers, Jedi, Sith who were in this War and show that they matter just as much.
@@ЛюдмилаВасильева-щ7у Roses arc didn't develop Finn in the slightest. The last jedi didn't develop him in the slightest. It just reset his development from The Force Awakens and had him do the exact same thing.
@@EskChan19 didn't he Come to the mission to destroy killerbase just to rescue Rey? Similar happened in the begining of TLJ but because of Rose and the realisation that he Can actually make a difference he grew. Thé whole set up was that he would lead the stormtrooper rebelion in the final film. I don't know to me it's a huge character growth from someone who escapes to save themselves to someone who is ready to die if it helps to win the War. However, in TROS yes, they just copypasted. He hasn't changed at all throughout the entire movie.
For what it’s worth I thought some of the Jedi aspects of the film were some of the deepest parts of the franchise, bringing in Kreias philosophy etc. but it’s like the director said “no you want to see space’s slowest high speed chase”
And notice 1) how big of a decline it saw in the box office vs force awakens (crappy, deriviative fan service can at least fool people and is much better than actively seeking to destroy the foundations of the IP for no reason other than to attack fans), 2) the resulting backlash making Soylo a complete failure and possibly causing Disney to already fire that bitch Kathleen Kennedy, and 3) the way that marvel movie sequels for individual heroes, by contrast, tend to build upon the financial success of their predecessors. The hype, excitement, and anticipation leading up to last jedi was enough that a movie on par with force awakens (definitely a low bar) and building on what it had set up would've made double what last jedi made.
Not apparently, that's EXACTLY what happened. Lefties circling the wagon train around their own. Fortunately everybody is too sick of the Left bullying everyone else around in order to get their way to just stand by and let it happen any more.
you need to remove yourself from all the people bitching about this movie. They are just toxic. Lucas WAS a corporation as well, people are kidding themselves only hating on Disney.
Because Johnson wanted to make it like a WW2 battleships chase, and battleships lob shells in the same fashion, so therefore the lasers move through space with the same arc.
The problem is that lucas films needed a overall plan.... to change director and give full control shows that they had no plan at all If marvel had done that, infinity wars would never had happened
I refuse to accept the notion that a moment was "set up" or "explained" because some SW book or somethng. First, Johnson doesn't get to pull that card since the EU was thrown out, and b) the movies are supposed to be self-contained, at the very least when it comes to narrative mediums. Personally, my biggest problem with the Last Jedi was the non-existent motivation of Kylo Ren. If I'm supposed to sympathize with a space Nazi, the least the movie could do is explain what about goose-stepping is so appealing to him. The Last Jedi doesn't tell you, but some shit book nobody has ever heard of apparently does, so I guess it means everything was explained, right? Well no, it doesn't work like that, movie. That's nothing but a shyster's attempt to excuse lazy storytelling and the jumbled mess of incoherent gibberish it inevitably created.
gguru1 they're just picking and choosing bits and pieces from the old now non canon EU to add to their new canon. They put a pale imitation of Thrawn in Rebels but that doesn't mean the old EU is canon again.
Bjørn Halfhand I honestly dont care, i was just pointing out that the EU is fair game for them to pick from for the new canon as they please. I dont mind the introduction of new force powers, but in this case it was done at the expense of denying us a proper final duel for Luke.
gguru1 yeah they really shit on Luke. Sad really. So little left to explore in episode 9. Especially if you're not interested in the whole Reylo thing.
TLJ plot was inconsistent with TFA which is a major fail. Luke skywalker character is inconsistent with the original trilogy which is another major fail. The humor is weird and inappropriate. Like the phone gag in the beginning and luke tossing the lightsaber. There's no character progression. With Finn especially whose role is pointless in the movie. The whole movie was a ridiculous fail given the franchise, the budget and how easy it actually should be to make a star wars movie. Star wars movies should be a slam dunk. It's not that complicated a story.
i think thats the point , we are used to a uncomplicated story , we know the basic heroes journey and the fall of the hero , this movie set out for something different and hey you like it or you dont but i wont shit on Johnson for doing something different and interesting
I'm not shitting on doing your own thing but it's inappropriate when you're doing the 8th movie in a saga to do your own thing. It's not even consistent with the previous movie. That throwing the light saber for one was weird. It so contradicts the tone of the scene at the end of TFA. The whole plot of TFA which I thought was stupid was that luke left a way to find him if they really needed him and now someone finds him and he just tosses the lightsaber and acts like a grumpy asshole the whole movie. His best friend is dead and his sister is in grave danger and he doesn't give a shit. Hows that make sense with any kind of basic human behavior let alone Lukes established pattern of behavior? And lastly we are talking about the most successful franchise in film history. Is doing your own thing and going in a new and contradictory direction a smart thing to do or just a sign of blind arrogance?
@Jonathan Reddoch ANH -> ROTJ Luke progressing ROTJ->TLJ Luke regressing, doing the very opposite of what he did in ROTJ big difference Also, different is not the same as inconsistent
+Irus Jarlaup Stop, that's not why this was shit, its not "complicated" its "inconsistent" "bad writing" "uninteresting" Rey and Snoke being nobodies is the opposite of complicated, its totally simple, lazy and uninteresting, they just show up, and one of them dies with no real impact. Characters don't act at all like they did in previous films, their suddenly different without any PROGRESSION Being a bad writer is "different" in the way that eating dogshit on fine china is "different"
I hated both TFA and TLJ. But TLJ is definitely worse. The fact that up to that point I thought TFA is the worst high budget movie I have ever seen makes the failure of TLJ quite spectacular.
Yeah, pretty much. We must've seen different movies, because there's no way The Last Jedi can be the worst thing you've ever seen. Stop being a sheep, and actually watch the movie and make an opinion for yourself for Pete's sake.
Oh no man, TLJ was cringey AF lol, I laughed a lot, it was funny, but the story was so bad. I mean superman Leia was so cringe. I swear there were 3 good things about that film, the humour, the badass fight scene after Snoke dies, and Porgs, everything else was just a mess, so many plot holes it could put swiss cheese to shame and a story that made no fucking sense.
Personally, the saddest part of Solo's death was Chewbacca's reaction. They were brothers, literally shared a blood debt, Chewie probably knew him better than anyone (including Leia), and yet no one consoled the poor guy, no one gave him a hug, he was just left to grieve on his own. That choked me up more than anything else.
Honestly, I wouldn't give Chewie a hug either if he isn't emotionally stable.
@@kilianwagner9424 lol right
I liked How It Should’ve Ended, pointed out why Solo couldn’t have gotten killed and it was so true.
Would've actually hit hard if Chewie couldn't deal with it in episode 9 and committed suicide
@@autumneagle That looks so out of character for him though, lol I'm sorry, I had to laugh at that.
Before a trilogy is started, one single writer or team of writers must make a detailed outline of all three movies. It is madness to start a trilogy and have no plan what will happen, and to have different writers who are not working together write different movies.
There was, ryan johnson just ignored all of it and did his own thing.
I think it's what JJ had in mind, it's how 4,5 and 6 was made... it was only going to be just one movie at first and had a different director each time.
You know, like George Lucas did when he wrote the first Star Wars movie or that Indiana Jones series he made with Spielberg, both of which were made with no expectations of, or even really plans for, sequels ever being made. The notion of making film trilogies planed out as trilogies from the get-go, is actually a very recent phenomena (Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was actually one of the first). A lot of movie series were started with no plan to become a series (from movies like Back to the Future to Jaws to Godfather to Toy Story) because few movie studios are willing to sign off on sequels until after they've seen the box office returns from the first movie.
@@liljenborg2517 Can agree with that, except this little, tiny thing : Back to the future, Jaws, Godfather, Toy Story, Indiana Jones... None of those franchise were made as an overarching story, with each movie setting up the next one. Wich is clearly the case for this Star Wars sequel trilogy.
This kind of writting might be a recent phenomena, but it is slowly but surely becoming a standart for AAA productions and was already something to expect from a new Star Wars trilogy, after the Prelogy being written like that.
This brutal switch of writting betwen different producers really, really hurt the sequels. And since you can see in the next Star Wars trailer Kylo's mask being reforge, my bet is that the third movie will have this problem too.
Movies are no art anymore... Just products to be sold
They tried to make The Last Jedi darker and more serious in tone, but at the same time, they intersperse it with really dumb gags for cheap laughs that completely undercut whatever seriousness it was supposed to have.
True it's just a tonal mess
Kind of reminds me when R2 gets spit out by that swamp monster in Empire. Then the scene ends with him comically spitting oil out of himself. Cue womp womp womp...
if only that was the only real problem going on with this movie..
@James Fontana my comment didn't show up for some reason. I think it was due to the algorithm believing it to be spam or something because I had a link. Anyways that scene is completely different.
The part where Rey's parents are reveiled to be nobody's is where my opinion of the movie changed and I realized "Oh. This is actually really good"
"It will now be easier for JJ Abrams to change Rae's parents from nobodies into somebodies."
Be careful what you wish for, Filmento.
you predicted Spiderman NWH
Bruh…he showed Palpatine
@@micaiahclark My man actually predicted Palpatine being Rey's father. He's a prophet!
17:00 -- Rose is introduced, mourning the death of her sister Paige, a character with 30 seconds of screen time over the past 40 years. Glad Rian Johnson had time for that, but *no time* to show Luke mourning the loss of his best friend, Han Solo -- a major part of the series for the past 40 years. :/
Haha, this alone should show everyone why this movie sucks so bad.
The worst thing? They filmed the scene where Luke is grieving Han. AND THEN FUCKING CUT IT OUT.
You know what's even worse? The reason why the scene was cut is most likely because they wanted to sell Blu-ray Discs by promising that the scene was on the discs.
That is not his fault lol. I am pretty sure he filmed a scene like. If you want to blame someone blame the editors...
Nathan Young It’s a man called Bob Ducsay. I just looked it up on google.
Most people, like 90% of people don’t hate rose for being a female or asian. I hate her because she has terrible writing. Her character sucked and didn’t contribute anything to the plot. Finn and Rose could’ve been cut entirely and nothing would change.
Im preaty sure that the houle movie could have been cut and *NOTHING* would have changed
@@Skymoc4 no, cutting the movie wouldve changed something: It wouldve saved Star Wars from certain death
@@lieutenantjacobin Wow, I'm speechless... u truly ha e the *high ground*
I’m not saying you’re one of them, but if the hate on Rose was because of terrible writing, then why did so many people bully the ACTOR not the writer?
@@TheKHUE because some people's mind can't separate simple things.
At 24:45 this guy predicted JJ will change the parents from nobodies to somebodies 1.75 years back and shows Palpatine in the image... Jaw drop
This men has the sith ability of seen the future
no, i think that JJ had ability to watch this video, and stole his idea
It's guessable throughout the movie
Cause people keep saying rey is Kenobi, skywalker and also people predict a Palpatine as well so when its actually turn out to be true
That's it.
Slid into the comments to say this. Happy to see it's already here.
I mean, knowing that dumbass JJ, it was predictable.
Rose: We win by saving what we love not destroying what we hate.
Also Rose: I'm gonna destroy this casino because I hate war profiteers.
I forgot that was the whole reason for destroying the casino. That with the admiral's choice that made an okay movie lean towards not okay. At least in my eyes.
TLJ: Destroys Space Monaco with racehorse-mountain goats because "rich people suck"
Filmento: This is Star Wars
Me: buh-bye
for what it's worth it did subvert my expectations. I thought it was going to be a good movie.
Same. I though we'd explore the backstory of Snoke, have Captain Phasma not get defeated anti-climatically for a change, and have General Hux be a serious and competent antagonist like he was in The Force Awakens. I also expected the first two to survive the film, since they've barely had a chance to do anything, and I assumed that General Hux survived the film so he'd be a recurring character in the sequel.
L
👍
I didnt even bother to watch it. They clearly dont care so neither do I.
@@ryanm.8720 To be fair, what was Rian to do with Snoke? JJ didn't tell him who Snoke was, because JJ didn't know.
Ok here's why I didn't like it in the least toxic, and concise way I can put it.
- Luke was terribly written. His father committed atrocities for some 15+ years as darth vader, and he still wanted to, and succeeded in turning him to the light. Ben solo has some dark side-ish intentions so luke decides to murder him in his sleep?? Luke wasn't written well.
- Finn didn't develop a single bit, his whole arc in TFA was coming to be selfless and care for the resistance and others than himself. Then at the start of TLJ he is trying to run away, and goes through the same arc again, with an INCREDIBLE, very well written payoff. He sacrifices himself for the resistan- wait no he doesn't, rose saves him from a conclusive character arc, which brings me to my next point.
- Rose was bad. She saved finn from a very good payoff to his development over the last 2 films, and her reasoning for doing so is saving what you love, as the laser battering thing is about to bust down the door and kill all her friends. So, she stops finn from saving what he loves, because he should be saving what he loves, not saving what he loves? Wha?
- Admiral Holdo was also bad, just tell finn your damn plan, even after getting mutinied she keeps it a secret? Does that not seem really really stupid to the rest of you? And the hyperspace kamikaze was cool and visually pleasing it didn't make sense in a universe where autopilots are very plausible to exist, and her sacrifice was really just meaningless in all honesty if you think about it.
- The conflict made no sense. Ok if you are running out of gas in space right, with no gravity, and you run out of gas going top speed, you don't slow down. There's no fucking gravity you could reach top speed and then cut the engines and you would *keep drifting*.
- Snoke and Rey's parentage were wasted as you all know, I can understand this choice because of the theme of forgetting the past, both of those things were significant parts of their past and getting them out of the way was part of that theme, but JJ built both of those things up so much and to just say "no they are nobody, and snoke got killed", is disappointing.
there's my pretty legitimate I think, reasoning for not liking it.
Very well said!
I gotta add 1 more point coming from my perspective.
- Rey being a Mary Sue
%1000 Correct there STRAF3x
Yeah you would only need fuel to accelerate in space lol not to just keep going
STRAF3x-how about TLJ having "bombers" in space? you need a lil gravity for bombers. I predict that Rey will become emperor because she thinks its the right thing to do against Kylo Ren.
I always thought kylo's guilt over han would drive him to seek redemption, and Rey's anger over her abandonment would open her to the dark - the last film would be kylo saving rey from the dark
Too bad that didn’t happen
@@ninjanibba4259 I heard so many good ideas float around - luke would return as a force ghost to haunt Kylo and turn him from the dark. Fin would lead an internal rebellion of child slave stormtroopers to take the first order down from within just as they were about to defeat the last Republic base. Rey thinks she's on a mission to stop/save Kylo, but it's actually driven by her own grief at being abandoned and she gets seduced by the effect these emotions have on her powers. Rey and Kylo get together at the end to put an end to the Jedi and sith and form a new, fully rounded force appreciation society (the skywalkers?) to heal the galaxy and help it sustain a new democratic movement.
Just fan fiction, but it kinda makes what we got a little worse in comparison
@@domhuckle ikr? It's sad fanfiction can do better than movies, that just shows they don't care honestly
@@ninjanibba4259 it seems strange that there's so much imagination and creativity surrounding these characters and this story, but that there must have been some kind of forcefield around the writers room where none of it could get in :)
@@domhuckle yeah it's called the forcechoke by Disney Mickey
The issue I have with Luke isn't that they didn't set up some stupid hologram, it's the fact that they bastardized the character to the point where Mark Hamil said it was no longer Luke. EVERYTHING Luke does in this film is out of character. If he wanted to die, why leave a map? If he could see the good in the 2nd most evil person in the galaxy, why did he try to kill his nephew for "showing some dark side tendencies?" Why didn't he actually go to the rebels if he was going to die anyway? Luke is not Luke in this movie. They substituted meaningful character arcs for cheap gotcha plot twists. Rey's parents are nobodies? GOTCHA! She's a Palpatine. Luke's here to save the day? GOTCHA! It's a hologram he's alive. GOTCHA! Nope he's dead anyway. Leia dies a tragic death? GOTCHA! Force powers she's fine. Snoke is an all powerful big bad guy? GOTCHA! He's dead, no one cares anymore. Also for supposedly the darkest movie in the trilogy, they ruin all of the tension in those dramatic moments with cheap comedy. Hundreds die while they try to escape, Leia is grieving at the loss. Next scene? Hey look how funny Finn looks he's a broken water hose. I can't even tell what kind of movie this is supposed to be? A space epic? A dramatic sci-fi? A comedy? Are we taking ourselves seriously or not? And that's not even mentioning the literal DOZENS of unfired chekhov's guns. Finn and Rey. Rey's parents. Fasma. Po's character arc just kinda goes away. He was a kid raised in the resistance but also somehow has a shady past as a smuggler so they can have a new Han Solo. They tried to do to much with the movie, and ended up with a cheap knock-off Star Wars movie. But it was very pretty.
This is the best explanation of why this movie sucked that I have ever read.
Best explanation
@@dbirdbird535 Lets add that half of the things happening make no damn sense in the first place if you use more than two brain cells.
-An entire FO Fleet can be stalled by someone playing a mama joke on their commander.
Does the other captains don´t have authority to start their own fighters? Don´t they have standard protocols for situations like this? The Empire had some even for dumping their trash.
-Poe gets demoted for ignoring the order to retreat and "getting" the entire bomber-squad killed.
The only problem with this "logic", Leia could have just radiod the other fighters directly, relieved Poe of command and ordered the retreat directly whenever she wanted.
Also, as leader of the Resistance she must have been the one who authorized the entire operation in the first place, so why sending the bombers out at all if she only wanted the dreadnaught distracted?
-If Luke didn´t want to be found, why was he hiding right next to an ancient Jedi temple several people, including Han and Leia, knew he had been looking for before?
-Holdo keeping her plan or the fact that she has one secret from everyone at every cost, even if facing a full blown mutiny. Which means she will be locked up and can not longer execute her plan, which makes keeping it secret even more pointless than it was anyway.
-Rose "saving" Finn by crashing their speeders at full speed (which could have killed them both) a few kilometers away from their base, right next to the enemy forces that are ordered to kill them (which "should" have get them both killed).
And then Finn "miraculously" making it back to their base in what could not be more than a couple minutes, while dragging an injured Rose over kilometers, through a salt field?
All that so that R.J. can fool the "stupid" audience that Rose preventing a suicide move with a double suicide move had any sense or meaning.
- Luke can project himself across half the galaxy to distract the First Order to buy the Resistance time to escape, but can not be bothered to tell a single person what he is planning so that they had to figure it out by themselves
And several other complete non-sensical situations.
Fandom: Just what the hell are you doing Disney?
Disney: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fandom: Fair enough. You watch it then because we won't.
Robot Chicken 🤟🏻
LOL
@@Ruvik049 We haven't prayed hard enough
666th like! Lol
Can I just say how, even though he disagreed with the direction of the character that basically made his career and is one of the characters he will go down in history as portraying, Hamil still gave TLJ his all shows how much of a goddamn respectable professional Hamil is. I have huge respect for that man.
Agreed. As he stated, he decided he had to play "Johnson's Skywalker" as a different character from the original he played in the four prior films( "Jake Skywalker" I believe he calls him).
Hamil almost always seems to give his all. He may not be the best actor in Hollywood, but he is ( I think) on of the most honest in his efforts.
@@daverobson3084 Indeed, I remember the Batman Animated cartoon, and whenever i think of joker i think of Mark's Joker.
@@JohnSmith-xt2dm Source?
I agree. He clearly didn't like the idea of the film, and yet I thought he was the best part of it
Ongr MtGA hes a conservative. they make bullshit up to play the victim.
Killing Snoke wasn't ballsy, because Snoke wasn't even a character.
SushiJaguar lmao
He was as much a character as the Emperor was in the Empire and ROTJ.
@@baaLsecundus Not really.
@@Petaurista13 Sure he was
Trying to make her not related to anyone was thought
Can't believe you forgot to mention the biggest plot hole in Star Wars history: what's now known as the Holdo Manuever. Also, Capt. Phasma?
Phasma was just a vehicle to sell toys.
Captain Who?
... those are not plot holes. Those are characters or things you don't like.
@@vernonhampton5863 Phasma was supposedly put into a trash compacter on Starkiller base and was either compacted or blown up until the Last Jedi came out. I don't really care about that, we didn't see her die and she didn't do much.
However the Holdo Maneuver effectively ruined every major space battle in Star Wars by asking one question: if it worked then, why not in every other battle? Why not fly a transport ship to destroy the Death Star and save the rest of the Rebellion? One transport would easily be worth taking down a Death Star in both relative cost and impact. Why not use single X-WIngs piloted by droids to destroy Super Star Destroyers, or to target Vader/Palpatine's ship? In The Last Jedi, there is no explanation. The Rise of Skywalker gives one, (it supposedly has a 1/1,000,000 chance of succeeding) but that means that Holdo had a 99.999% chance of missing.
Sure, there may be attempts at explaining that, but they aren't good and they aren't supported by the movies.
@@joebomb1019Indeed, the holdo maneuver essentially rendered everything that had happened in every war pointless, because if you were in a war and expecting to lose ships and people, why not sacrifice a single ship to take out something much bigger and more valuable? A single x-wing would have dealt huge damage to the deathstar doing that if not out right destroyed it.
It's not the story decisions that made me angry about this movie. It's the discontinuation of story threads from the previous episode. And the way they framed "strong empowered women" as "like the boys only better and smarter and always right". (I happen to be a woman and this trend makes me mad. Why can't female heroes fail and grow and become stronger like everyone else? Why have they to be perfect and strong and secretly brilliant from the beginning to the end?) Poe came from an honest angle and risked life and limb for what he believed to be the right course of action. And not only Holdo framed him as a "trigger happy male" the movie did, too. Also the movie frames Holdos illogical choice to not disclose information to Poe and the rest of the crew as justified and to me it made no sense at all. There was good stuff in there but in my mind the internal logic of the movie was to weak to keep things together, like Finns and Roses side quest for example.
Say that sis.
Totally agree. I have two daughters that I love. I want them to grow up strong and confident. I want them to succeed. I want them to realize that they are just as good as anyone else. I want them to fail, learn from it, and become better. Yet how does Disney portray "strong women"? They have to be better than the boys. They have to beat them at everything (often times physically) with half the training, no life experiences, and zero failure. If my daughters were to base their success off of Disney logic, then the first boy they can't physically outdo, mentally crush on a subject they know nothing about, or fail _at anything_ then they are not a "strong". Fortunately I am not letting Disney raise my daughters. Yet how many little girls are going to grow up with a Disney strong women mentality? How many little boys have grown up in our society feeling inferior because they are not the strongest physically and we put so much emphasis on physical strength? And these boys are on the same genetic "playing field" so-to-speak. Disney is so out of touch that they can't even see the actual mental harm they will do in their crusade to be on the "right side" of women's rights history.
Maybe women should not have any rights? At least for s time. The whole "punish all because of a few" thing. Let it simmer, then boil. The many will find the few, beat them to a pulp, and then return the rights.
@@ArbiterofTruth It could work on a small scale like it does in the army, but on large scale you're just setting yourself for a defeat.
@@danceswithgerbals1 Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a great role model for younger girls if you're into that.
Also Ellen Ripley who is like the baddest bitch ever, but Buffy is good because it's a fairly long running series.
You assume JJ Abrams had answers for all of the questions he set up. As a fan of Lost, I can tell you that he most likely did not.
Or Fringe, or Alias...
Or anything he does, he likes to set big things but makes always the same mistake that a novice would do: he don't write the end of his stories
lol very true. Lost was just one big never ending setup that never paid off.
That's the big problem with JJ and why I'm not excited for episode 9. He knows how to create interesting set ups and hooks but doesn't know how to satisfyingly conclude most of them.
@@trevordavis6830
Well, generally he buggers off and lets somebody else conclude what he has 'set up'. He generally does better with stand-alone films where he HAS to come up with an ending himself.
"What is the point of all of this if we can't destroy three tiny cruisers?"
General Hux would be excellent at CinemaSins. It's a pity that he's so unbelievably, comically, abysmally incompetent at absolutely everything else.
But isn't CinemaSins unbelievably, comically, abysmally incompetent?
General Hux was played seriously in The Force Awakens before becoming a joke in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. General Pryde is pretty much Hux if he hadn't turned into a buffoon.
"General Hux would be excellent at CinemaSins" is this a Th3Birdman reference?
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Only comically.
"If you're desperately looking for flaws to blast the last jedi with"
That wellspring shall never be exhausted
It should be worth noting that Disney declared the book Rian Johnson used in his tweet to be non-canon.
I was actually wondering if it was even canon when FIlmento was showing it.
@@turbocat8329 Doesn't matter now, since because of Johnson, said non-canon book is canon
@tyler norton
It should be worth knowing that you spend too much time watching CNN, and that is laughably pathetic. It's also widely known that social justice activists tend to defend these (bad) movies like it's their own mother, so I'm not surprised to see you do it.
John Doe you can’t deny that a small minority of the hate towards these films was Russian bots. I’ve literally seen them in UA-cam comment sections. They reply instantly and make no sense.
@@adomaster123 i am one of those Russian bots then
my evey fibers hated The Last Jedi
If TLJ is revealed to be Finn's nightmare while in the coma, then I'll probably watch EP9
Same here man. It would be the ONLY time I could tolerate a "it was all a dream!" cliché.
That works. Just rename TLJ to Song of the South and all is forever wiped away.
Same, that's a brilliant idea in this situation
That’s the only way to save episode 9
Its been done before and worked with Dallas, a 80's TV show. A whole season which included the death of a main character, was wiped clean, when the start of the new season shows that dead character (Bobby) having a shower and saying it was all a dream.
So yeah erase the whole damn SW shit after Return of the Jedi, and start again.
Filmento in 2018: “All things considered, Episode IX will probably be one of the most difficult movies to script in Hollywood history”
2019: ”According to sources within Lucasfilm, there are 6 cuts of Episode IX, and they are doing reshoots because they need to modify the story. They are leaking plot details as market research, to gauge what the audience will react to”
You, Sir, are a seer.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Link to that last point?
And its had reshoots and rewrites through out production and just like what happened to SOLO im like balloon that budget bitch GROW GROW GROW
Not only that. 24:47 Filmento talks about MaRey Sue's parents, and shows the image of Jar Jar and Palpatine.
According to leaks of ep 9, Palpatine is MaRey's grandfather.
@@pyromite38 Correct
....uhhh but literally anybody with a brain who had seen those movies would know that. After one movie sets up something and another has torn it all down, the third one is OBVIOUSLY going to be challenging. That's like saying water is wet and the fuckin sky is blue, and it doesn't take being a "seer" to see that.
I can accept Luke making a mistake and regretting it, since we all make mistakes, but the fact is that he chose to run away from facing his mistake, and in his absence, Kylo Ren and the First Order killed who knows how many people...and THAT is something that I can't forgive the writers for doing.
You realise that by the time Rian got a hold of the trilogy, Luke had already been away for years and the first order had risen? That's on JJ's shoulders surely?
@MrRight James a man needs to have something to redeem himself for if redemption is gonna be satisfying. Always thought he'd come back as a force ghost to haunt kylo, bring him back to the good side and then kylo would save rey from her darkness and the 2 would strike out as something new - not Jedi or sith. In this way luke could be responsible for the balancing of the force after all. Plus, you realise that while luke was away, the first order destroyed like 5 planets? What would he be protecting?
@MrRight James you are right, and I think JJ did screw it up both in the plot threads he handed to Rhian and in the way he muguffin'd his way to the end of the trilogy.
What would you have done with luke having been given the screenplay at the end of force awakens?
@@domhuckle I think a good solution would have been having Luke being trapped on that planet. Like he wanted to get back into the action but was physically unable since he lacked a ship.
Another possible explanation is Luke is training his next generation of Jedi and but they are not yet strong enough. He desperately wants to help but he knows he needs a squad of Jedi to win but also can't reenter the fight until those Jedi are ready to fight.
Those are legitimately the reasons why I thought Luke was waiting prior to seeing the Last Jedi. Maybe Rey being there would bolster his forces and give him the confidence to decide that this was the time to get involved. Simply put, there were so many more in-character reasons for why Luke hadn't entered the fight yet that would have expanded the rosters of Star Wars Jedi. Like I think a film where we see multiple student Jedi enter the fray is a lot more interesting than a slow chase between the FO and Resistance.
But Rian went with the ludicrous idea that Luke had just given up. And he also went with the ludicrous idea of making the FO suddenly rule the galaxy when the FO only seemed like a terrorist group in Force Awakens. The sad fact is there were lots of ways for Rian Johnson to take the story in interesting and more natural ways even when given the ending of Force Awakens. But instead of building on a lot of the opportunities the Force Awakens presented, Rian made things even worse with the Last Jedi.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi yeah, you're probably right. Bit weird that he went with the "tries to kill a child" route when there were others available
That explanation from Rian Johnson about the force projection already being in universe was, in it self, made non-canon by Disney and so, unestablished for the purposes of the Disney timeline as it is not part of 'Legends'.
@JeremyCuddles But his explanation for it was a *non-canon material that's not in the movies series*. That's pretty bad for a major plotpoint and death of a beloved character for 40 years.
It's a major power that has had no hinting of or been shown to us. It's a bit as jarring as Force Speed in Phantom Menace, as it comes out of nowhere and is dropped. For how it was used, it needs way more than 'oh this movie made it canon'.
Chaos Isaac every Star Wars movie made up force powers and I like that it’s at least hinted at in this movie when kylo says to Rey like “you can’t be doing this projection the effort would kill you” so I appreciate that it’s at least mentioned
@JeremyCuddles I think the issue is that he tried to use non-canon material to justify him not explaining thay Luke could do such an ability.
Yeah, I was just thinking that too. When Disney straight up declared everything as "non-canon" when they started up Episode 7, and decided to go for erasure of the extended universe for all practical purposes, it doesn't let you just straight up use that extended universe as justification for literally anything in the movie lol. That definitely got on my nerves.
the force ghost thing is stupid and pointless because it didn't really achieve anything that couldn't have been achieved with him being there in person and is a waste of potential. I don't even disagree with the ability existing from a lore perspective, it was just poorly and disappointingly implemented in the movie
Luke actually being there 1) lets an actual clash of lightsabers happen instead of ghostLuke matrix dodging Kylo's stupidly slow swing to maintain the idea that hes there, 2) doesn't immediately kill off the tension when it's realized that he's not actually there or in danger, and 3) makes his death meaningful in that it gives Luke a satisfying send-off and also cements the threat of Kylo as Luke's killer, raising the stakes further for Rey in the following film
Luke being a force projection answers the question of how he got to the planet and how he survives the rain of laser blasts and not much else. The first is easy because his old x-wing is on the island planet still and the writers could've had the ship work still after it is lifted out (which is exactly what happens in RoS anyway), and the second is a non-issue because there was no reason for the laser blast to happen other than it being visually appealing. Kylo should have instead immediately opted to face Luke down personally and without hesitation or trying to win the 'easy way' first: because in an ideal world where this movie was good, Kylo would actually be a well-developed and menacing villain who has the confidence and/or arrogance to face Luke from the get-go
worse yet, since Luke ends up dying anyway from over-exertion or some shit it makes the whole 'force projection' scheme to delay Kylo without actually putting himself in harm's way even more pointless. if the main character is going to be killed off in this sequence either way then what is the point of having him not actually be there and die in person? its just monumental stupidity
Late to the party, but I think the most important lesson we learned is to have a cohesive vision for the entire trilogy of big movies before you sign off on them.
“The thing about opinions on the internet is that they’re all wrong. Unless they’re mine.”
Mr. Plinkett
Plinkett can eat shit!!! He's responsible for this mess!!
Mr Plinkett is a shithead
@@adamlong1196 Responsible? Can you elaborate?
@@adrenjones9301 RedLetterMedia's video essays critiquing the Prequels (in the character of Mr. Plinkett) along with The People vs. George Lucas are largely credited as the motivation for Lucas to abandon Lucasfilm and retire with his wife and new child. Whether or not it's entirely true only George knows. But he caught a lot of flak for his clunky dialogue and some poor decisions (for example: over-reliance on special effects).
As an aside, many of the criticisms RedLetterMedia put forth have some merit--but it was probably the intensity for lack of a better word.
I know this response is late, but so was I.
@@Lord_Reavous and yet Plinkett was 10000% right in every bit of his critique of the prequels, which were objectively far more garbage than the sequels, because Lucas had SO MUCH KNOWN TALENT and he absolutely wasted them all with terrible dialogue and direction. The entire Anakin/Padme romance is HOT GARBAGE, and it's a central theme of the freakin' saga. And that's just ONE aspect. They LOOK nice. The last movie has some good action - but the prequels were exactly as Plinkett said, made for drooling babies and morons who just wanted nothing but "MOAR LIGHTSABURRS".
That edit of kylos chest and then snokes reaction was gold... I lol’d in real life
That scene already makes me laugh in general lol. He sounds so sad, and it's magnified by how muffled he is 🤣🤣
10:27
The whole:
"Get's torn apart for taking risks" is a straw man.
The film is pretty devoid of logical character decisions and world breaking events.
I like a lot of the ideas in the Sequels. But they are unfortunately nothing more than that: ideas.
When I first saw Rey I immediately though of Nausicaa from the Ghibli movie. Scraping through the junk. And I really dig the concept. Unfortunately Rey is a character that has to do certain things because specific political ideologies demand it and not because the character would do them.
Thats why she is capable of simply everything.
The idea of a stormtrooper gone rogue is even more intriguing. But immediately after Finn escapes, in the rest of three movies we never see the toll that military training had on him. Or the fact that he's among regular people for the first time. Instead he gets a boner for Rey and that's his motivation for a big part of the story.
Poe is another huge let down. When it's hurting the seriousness of the situation (when he meets Kylo Ren for the first time and the "your mother" moment) he's snarky and witty but when he should stand his ground (against admiral purple hair) he's scolded like a school boy. And after having watched Episode 9, with his background in smuggling this is so much wasted potential. Rogue one did this way better with Cassian Andor.
Luke being a hermit. Sure. But it was so poorly executed that he didn't feel like the same character at all.
From the incompetent villain behaviour to poorly designed spaceships (the bombers, the "fleetkiller" that is effectively brought down by one higher and one bomber)
But the thing that get's me the most and that is probably the part that has driven this huge rift between a lot of Star Wars fans (myself included) and Disney is this insistence from Disneys side that criticism is only due to sexism and racism.
They didn't want to make a movie. They wanted to make a statement. And they did. And a lot of people disagree with that statement.
You know who actually did take risks? George Lucas. And he was being bullied for it so much in the end he said "F it" and sold the company.
After more than 30 years, all we wanted was a scene where Luke, Leia and Han would travel together into space again for one last time. And with Carrie Fisher being gone that will now never happen. And even if you agree with all the agenda and even if you thoroughly enjoyed the sequels. Don't you think that kind of thing would have been an act of appreciation for the big thing Star Wars is, for the actors and in the end for the fans that made this franchise what it is through spending billions of dollars on it?
I mean, I agree so much with your comment I kinda want to eat it with mayonnaise
You can use the arguments against TLJ against any Star Wars film.
@@Korijenkins1414 Sure. You can also take arguments against capitalism and use them against communism. That doesn't mean that they make sense in the new context.
Even in the small number of situations where the arguments against the sequel trilogy also apply to the original trilogy, there's still an issue of scale. People will bring up things like "Luke could fly a fighter the first time he got in one!" and things like that... but there were only a handful of things he was good at, and many more that he was very obviously _not_ good at, whereas Rey was not just good at _literally everything she ever attempted in the films,_ she was usually _better_ than masters with there being no possible basis for it based on the existing canon. Hell, she makes Anakin (who is basically Force Jesus, and has a better excuse than anyone to be overpowered) look like a chump!
@@coryzilligen790 Of course, but that doesn't acknowledge other issues. Luke had literally no training. How could he duel Vader? Hell, how could he even strike Vader? He had no saber training whatsoever.
I distinctly remember Rey getting whooped by an out of shape, exiled Luke with a stick as well.
Rey being overpowered wasn't really the key issue, I think it was Ren being underpowered. TFA did a great job building him up as a villain, and when we finally saw him in action it was... disappointing. He fought like a mad dog.
On that, what was Luke not good at, because I genuinely struggle to see it? Good pilot, good shot, good mechanic, good swordsman, etc.
Lets talk about Count Dooku for a second as well. When we saw him in Episode II, he easily bested both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Easily. He didn't even break a sweat, then fought Yoda to a stalemate.
When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense.
You're looking for consistency and common sense in a series where there isn't much of it. There are established rules, but a lot of times those rules are ignored for a better scene or a better shot or a better surprise.
It's easy to scrutinize the fuck out of the sequels because they are new films and it's considered popular to do so, but you'll find just as many, possibly more egregious issues with the original trilogy if you did the same, and certainly with the prequels.
I don't go into these films expecting some sort of flawless timeless masterpiece. Arguably only one of the films out of NINE even reach that level.
@@Korijenkins1414 You seem coherent and reasonable so I am at a loss as to why you think this is, well, either of those things.
"When we see him in Episode III, he dispatches Obi-Wan easily, then loses to Anakin, and then Anakin loses to Obi-Wan. Explain? How can Dooku best them both with no effort in one film, then only manage to beat one of the two in the next one, only for the one who beat him to lose to the one who he beat later on? That's like saying C > A + B = A > C = B > A It makes no sense. "
These aren't integers and even if all the characters had a "fighting skill" statistic like in an rpg there would still be other factors that would need to be accounted for. Just naming a few that seem intuitive as I am not a starwars loremaster who knows all the rules and shit. In Ep2 anakin and obi wan were probably a lot more tired than in Ep3. There was also some time in between the 2 and as anakin is an apprentice we can expect him to train daily. The setting is also different and palpatine is there.
Also the high ground thing makes for funny memes and all but it does portray why Anakin lost to an opponent that was less skilled than him, or at least that is how i perceived it.
8:20 I politely disagree with this statement.
I personally disliked both of the films.
I disliked TLJ MORE because it went out of it's way to Ruin the characters of Old.
It's not that Luke became an old Grump; it's because he tried to kill his nephew at the FIRST instance of an "evil" reading (while Kylo was sleeping)
When he went and tried to convince his dad to leave the Dark side....because he felt the TINIEST sliver hope inside.
It's all due to a lack of proper explanation....all given explanations seem to go against anything set up in the previous 6 films
John Doe a decent script would have saved it and note the cast did their very best instead of ignoring the previous movie use enough and tighten the script so it made sense.
Holdo for example being Republic Navy, most of the Resistance already evacuated leaving a small number aboard Holdo's capital ship that had to hide in an asteroid belt for time to effect repairs.
Finn being sent to Canto Blight revealing it was a trap set for him by Snoke also ESB.
Use Finn to draw Rey out revealing she is already a fully trained Padawan due to being raised by a Jedi Survivor on Jakku!
Phasma is Rey's Aunt she helped her escape in TFA revealing why she did what she did.
Finn is handed over by DJ so he can sneak Rose & BB-8 aboard so DJ gets paid both sides.
Sorry I really need to get over this!
This! When people say Luke makes sense, this is what I point to. They even say Kylo was too far gone by that point and I’m like “how?” I would think committing genocide would be too far gone but Luke didn’t see it that way in ROTJ so how could a 15 year old kid who hasn’t done shit be too far? This movie is trash.
Luke's situation is one of the worst examples of telling instead of showing. For a director who did an excellent job doing a similiar job in say Looper, I am honestly appauled at why Rian did not show a full flashback. And yes; it is a Rashomon style flashback. But style over substance does not cut it. Luke is too important of a character. We need to know what happened to him. 30 years had passed and really there is no damn excuse for this. Fanatics can cite whatever books, comics etc. they want. If you, me or anyone require supplementary material to understand a movie, then it is a failure.
Overall, it is this,combined with a lack of a plan, that I have given up on SWs. People can enjoy these new films all they want, but to me they are hollow husks of what was once something amazing. Even the Prequels had a spark of life to them. I never thought I'd ever say that...
I'm actually more disturbed that Luke Skywalker, of all people, would abandon his friends and sister during a time of crisis. He basically said FUCK YOU to the galaxy and went to Ach-To to die. As Rian Johnson said in the Last Jedi documentary, Luke is a hero because he does nothing.
Folks, I think laziness can now be considered heroism ;)
Chris Balze
Here's the thing, Zack Snyder ALSO hates the classic goodie-two shoe heroes
Yet HIS superman was more loyal to the source material (although the end is debateable)
Glad to learn Mark disagreed with the way his character went. I felt it was a butchering as well. The Luke in the expanded universe (murdered by disney) is easily the greatest character in star wars to me.
in fact he accepted what happened to luke he was just surprise and didn't think of this turn of event. read the acticle you will see the truth
Any film trilogy was never going to be able to compete with the EU. There are literally dozens of EU books exploring every corner of the Star Wars setting in detail films cannot match.
That said, Mark changed his mind about disagreeing with the TLJ version of the character. Personally I find the TLJ version of the character plausible but think they really needed to support such a major character shift with more than three brief Rashamon style flashbacks.
@@irrevenant8724 I agree. I feel like showing Luke turning into a bit of a gray Jedi works perfectly, considering the circumstances. His character was revolved around the feeling of hope. He was always hopeful about the future. Imagine having that much belief about rebuilding an entire Jedi Order only for it to be ruined by your nephew. The solution I would propose is actually showing Kylo killing the padawans. Luke should have still sensed Kylo turning to the dark side but should not have acted on it. That decision should have led to Kylo's fall.
You could start off the flashbacks by showing Kylo's training and how he was the best out of all the students. So good that Luke believed he'd end up replacing him in the future. But his actions would get uglier in time. Kylo could begin showing more and more raw power during the training flashbacks and possibly even force pushing another padawan during a practice duel so hard that they get injured. This would be an effective way to show how he has a bit of darkness in him. Luke could proceed to lecture him and Kylo would actually end up apologizing to the padawan and tell them that they should have a rematch once they're healed. The padawan would not take this too kindly. Then you move onto their rematch. The padawan uses a cheap tactic halfway through it and this makes Kylo furious. He attacks his opponent even more viciously than before but ends up being interrupted by Luke who ends the fight. They have an argument about how the Jedi Code states that "There is no emotion, there is peace." and Kylo ends up becoming even angrier because the padawan was the one who didn't accept his apology and tried to get revenge. This leads to Kylo erupting in anger as he questions the morality of the Jedi Code and just goes to wherever his dorm is. Luke tells the padawans that he'll speak to him the next day as Kylo just needs some time to regroup. Little does he know about what happens that night. While he's sleeping, Kylo begins murdering the Jedi. This sequence has to be shown though. In fact, he should give them a chance to join him or fight against him. He makes a meaningful speech about how the Jedi Code is not morally correct and how the Jedi used to take children away from their families and such. That's the order they're trying to rebuild. This leads to some students joining him (they should've been the Knights of Ren) and some opposing him. The opposition is led by the padawan he had feuded with. Long story short, the knights and Kylo win. But Kylo beats that padawan so badly. He swings one strike after another, as he did in TROS to Rey, and ends up killing them after giving a second chance to join. Then, you can switch the roles by making Kylo the one who tried to kill Luke in his sleep. Luke barely makes it out alive by pulling a pole of his house down to create a wall between them or whatever. When he begins to escape, he looks back to see a burning temple and Kylo standing side to side with a bunch of other students. Luke would lose so much hope in a situation like that. He ended up saving the galaxy by showing Vader the light but then delayed his conversation with Kylo which led to him go full Anakin inside the temple. That would totally fuck up someone's beliefs.
That is how it should have been. That flashback would easily run for minutes, showing everything that's led up to the current timeline
I actually disagree completely on the idea that Han's death was one of the most emotional SW moments... I felt very very little. I wasn't surprised b/c they telegraphed it from a mile away. I wasn't connected to Han anymore since they literally reversed his entire character development from the OT at the start of the movie to recreate the same guy we met in the beginning of ep IV and it felt very artificial to me. They reduced him to a plot device for getting Rey and Finn access to the higher ups in the resistance and mostly the relationships between Han and both Rey and Kylo felt shallow and superficial, leaving any payoff for the death feeling extremely weak for me.
it was really great how, when they got back. Leia runs to hug Rey (who only just met Han) and ignores Chewbacca completely. WTF !?
Eh, Han Solo was a bandit with a heart of gold; he learned to take responsibility when necessary but his entire personality and attitude toward life didn't change, that would have been weird. It seems like you're implying he should've just wound up getting the Star Wars equivalent of a regular 9-5 desk job, and THAT would be out of character. I think it's just that his acting felt a little stale and uninspired; he really didn't seem that excited to be there, which of course is why they killed him off in the first place.
@@michaelminervini1908 Yeah, that part was one of the dumbest things of the entire sequel trilogy.
@@viljamtheninja I think you're missing the point. Han was the same rough and tumble rogue throughout the OT, but he grew as a character and went from "I'm not in this for your revolution. I expect to be well paid," to being extremely torn between helping the rebels and getting the bounty taken off of his head, to being a rebellion general leading a borderline suicide mission in the name of the cause.
I'm not expecting his personality to take a massive shift out of nowhere, but it makes no sense that he would go from being a key player in the rebellion/new republic where in all likelihood he would want to participate in establishing the new republic, to going right back to being an outlaw and swindling people for money.
I agree that it wouldn't line up w/ Han's personality if he was a run of the mill beauracrat, but there are plenty of things he could do for the new republic that would fit his personality. Even if he was given a beauracratic job I think it would be interesting to see how that affects him. Maybe he is sick of a desk job so he goes off on his own to find Luke, or he starts doing clandestine ops for the republic... or maybe he even becomes an outlaw again, not to smuggle goods for money, but acting as part of the extra-judicial portion of the resistance.
The thing that makes no sense is that he helps establish the new republic, is married to a very powerful figure in the republic, is best friends with the master of the new jedi order and his reaction to everything falling apart is "better abandon everyone and go back to being a conman preoccupied with get rich quick schemes."
The mere fact that they made smuggling for a quick buck a priority for him shows that they ignored all the character growth from the OT, which makes it not feel like the same character to me.
@@viljamtheninjathey literally deconstructed him. The han in episode 7 is like the han in the beginning of episode 4. It makes no sense why he would just run away and become a smuggler because his son became evil
Rian Johnson wrote extremely uncompelling answers to the most compelling questions of the new trilogy.
@Pete Burrows boi he wrote a play in grade school that got approved basically dissing his and his friend's bullies
This is a good single sentence summary that essentially covers my problems with the movie.
"most compelling questions"
have you seen lost? there are no answers to Abrams fucking questions, there are only more question and questions within questions until the whole thing collapses and everyone suddenly realizes that Abrams was full of shit all along.
He basically made a career out of that
LOL. Most compelling questions? Intentionally hiding answers to simple questions to give the illusion of compelling mysteries. Where is Luke Skywalker? Idk no one really knows. Really? Not even his best friend or sister. That seems convenient. Who are Rey's parents? Ooooooo it's really important but we're not going to tell you so you're anticipating it like the reveal from the original trilogy. Who is Snoke? Idk let's let the next director figure that one out. Snoke's backstory or character should have been properly established in the first film as well as the First Order. How did Maz get Anakin's old saber? "A good question for another time." That is literally word for word the line in the script. A cop out bullshit ass lazy ass line.
These questions weren't really all that compelling. Abrams doesn't really create mysterues so much as hold information hostage to get viewers to come back. That's really what the issue is with this new trilogy. Abrams created too many mysteries that weren't genuine mysteries but withheld information instead. Rian saw all of that bullshit and decided to actually tell a story. As okay as TFA is it doesnt have much in the way of storytelling. It's intentionally an incomplete story. JJ is a talented director but for God's sake finish telling a whole goddamn story.
Here's the thing about those questions and with one answer that both JJ and Rian said. "There is no direction to these movies." So that should already tell you that they don't really know what their doing.
The six things i hated most about TLJ were:
1. Luke being turned into some self hating, depressed old man who nearly killed his nephew as soon as he senses some rebellious teen hormones yet his father was literally a dark lord of the sith who wiped entire populations but he spared him and spends god knows how many years on some random island crying about his temple and drinking tiddy milk. Also not being given the chance to die like a true hero and is instead still sat on that island and uses force shitpost to distract kylo instead of fighting him face to face.
2. They built snoke up for a good two and a half years having fans speculating over his real identity only to kill him off suddenly with him only having about 10 minutes of screen time throughout both movies even though he was the most interesting character (also killed in a shit way like luke but didn't make sense) Could use the force to connect rey and kylo's minds from across the galaxy in order to manipulate and get rey in a trap but couldn't sense kylo was going to switch the saber on. Seems legit.
3. Rey's parents, something else people were speculating for 2 years and had the potential to be an awesome reveal turned out to be... nobody. So her parents were nobodies but she has this great connection to the force and learned what it took luke forever to do in 5 minutes. Also seems legit. Very disappointing and a huge missed opportunity.
4. Turned phasma into a boba fett that has about 2 mins of screen time and gets blasted into space and loses everytime she faces the rebellion even though she clearly looks like she can handle herself. At least boba captured han.
5. The casino planet. The whole scene.
6. Rose tico. I found her character very meh but the icing on the cake was at the end where she stopped fin from sacrificing himself. He was also a character i didn't care for but just as i was about to respect him for sacrificing himself to save the rebellion she comes along and ruins it just for one cringy line. Literally put the whole rebellion at risk and if not for luke with his wizardry she would have single handedly fucked the whole rebellion.
That isn't even all the things. I could go on and on about the forced humour, princess poppins, the blatant similarities/ripoffs of the empire strikes back ect but i would be here all day.
Looking back, it was worse than i thought.
1. I hope in TRoS, this is explained (then again, I wished it was explained in TLJ). Luke feeling depressed that he nearly killed his nephew, dark turn from the usually doubtful optimist okay explain it. If it was explained that, Luke (in the words of Yoda, always looking to future but never looking at where he is in the moment), pulled his saber because he saw no light in Ben (like at all. In Vader, he saw the conflict and the light in him) but only Snoke's influence over him, I could see him going into action after seeing a potential dire future where he saw Han, Leia and his students' deaths.
2. I don't remember any buildup of Snoke (Phasma is another story) outside of fan theory. Now, had Snoke been a broken piece of Palpatine it could lead to something new. For instance, Snoke taught Ben at a young age how to separate himself from the light allowing him to gain access to untold power. The only caveat, is that the Force creates a new life from the remainder and Rey is that remainder. It's not saying someone, like Shmi Skywalker was a nobody. Even on the scale of things, it was only the first (major) of many steps to Anakin's path to the dark.
3. Same thing in 2. A path was set and symbolism there from the Jedi pool in Luke's temple or through Kylo/Rey's Force communication or their connection in TFA. Scavenger gets inside head of uber powerful Force user and bests him in combat? Something's off here. Why is Kylo getting the call from the light (Leia's hope) in TFA and why does Rey get a call to the dark but isn't seduced by its power? The power of their link should be enough to kill them or the interloper but it's not Snoke pulling the strings. It's because they're two sides of the same being. She is Ben's light half personified whereas Kylo Ren is no conflicted as much as broken and no longer whole. So to answer the question, it's not that Rey's parents are nobody or were some mystery, they're were never integral to the plot to begin with (much like Snoke, Phasma or DJ) they were simply obstacles for character to overcome.
4. Yeah, I can't defend that. They did her dirty and her deleted scene showed how calculating she could've been.
5. Seems to take less time on re-watch. That said, the venture did expand the lore. If the Resistance was quietly funded by the New Republic, then the First Order was funded by the elite here on Canto Bight (whether through arms sales or other investments, I just think if the group were sympathizers to the Empire they'd probably be human (just look at the OT)).
6. Rose had a good setup, I just hated how she essentially became Finn's Jiminy Cricket compared to DJ as Lampwick (yes, Finn is Pinocchio)
However, in spite of its flaws, it has many. It was the first to purposely connect to the prequels. Illustrate the majesty of the Force as something of nature, not quantifiable. Made Luke interesting (at least to me, I thought Han, Leia and Lando were better and Luke was simply there in the OT. Here, he had lost his optimism, bound by legend he was undone because he was human, could have left the mourning scene that cut to Leia mourning). Introduced, new concepts to the lore (one that became a plot point in Solo),
1. The Jedi forever were about stopping dark siders before they gained power, no matter if they were saveable or not. Remember that Windu tried to kill Palpatine the second he was disarmed and Obi Wan didn't attempt to sway Anakin when he realized he had become a Sith(with him and Yoda similarly telling Luke on Dagobah he had to kill Vader). He instinctively drew his lightsaber because he believed he could stop him when Ben had been corrupted by Snoke and he realized it, but then he realized he was an idiot. Luke has long been a person of instinct, even when it went against plans(going to save Leia when the groups original plan was to escape the Death Star, leaving Dagobah with his training unfinished, leaving the team to save his father, etc;) Luke not facing Ben in person is one of the most Jedi things ever, defending the Resistance and doing so non violently(which was always the Jedi way). Besides, he couldn't have left the planet in any form because his X-Wing was destroyed(the metal door Chewie busts in early in TLJ is one of the wings and the rest is sunk, most likely for years).
2.No defence for that. I do want to know what Snokes backstory was, how he turned Ben and who he was before he took control of TFO, but I don't need a whole trilogy for it. Maybe A comic. But Snoke has no more info than we had on the Emperor in the original and he was super built up, only to die being tossed down a shaft and exploding. Probably Johnson was trying to copy that, only with the "betrayer"staying evil.
3.They've said Reys sudden ability to use the Force so perfectly is because of Ben linking with her in his attempt to force(lol)his way into her mind and even her force and lightsaber skills aren't that great. Snoke easily whipped her around, she beat Ben....who was limping and bleeding from a wookie bowcaster shot, she took five tries to do a Jedi mind trick on one stormtrooper and she lifted some rocks. Don't know why people treat it like her being Yoda in Episode 2. As to her parents, thats one of the major points that I love about TLJ. She....isn't.....anybody....important. She's not Lukes daughter, she's not Bens secret twin, she's not Obi Wans granddaughter and she's not Vaders nephews cousins former roommate. She's nobody. Now on the other side of the card, theres Ben. Son of two heroes of the Galactic Civil War, nephew to a third, grandson of Vader/Anakin, etc; Even the ending with Broomboy before the credits shows that anybody can be a hero, even if they're not part of the Skywalker legacy. Bens legacy is one of the reasons he's so twisted.
4.Still don't think Phasma's dead, that damn armours been hyped so much.
5.The casino wasn't that bad. It shows how war profiteers live in the galaxy and introduces us to the kids, among whom is the Force Sensitive kid who is inspired by the Resistance. Hardly useless.
6. Thats really silly. Finns sacrifice was going to FAIL. It was said straight up that his speeder was breaking up and he wouldn't make it before the cannon blew him into Finn shaped ashes. While the romance was stupid and shoehorned, Finn being stopped from killing himself for nothing makes sense, as so many people had died all for their"heroism"throughout the movie. Rose's sister for one, and it was all pointless because Snoke had his bigger ship waiting in the wings.
@@phousefilms 6. Finn was moving at max speed, and Rose was going the other way. Yet she catches upp and overtakes him, and rams him in his side in about 2 seconds. She killed off the entire resistance with that. Even if it was going to fail, not trying at all was = everybody dies anyway. Hunky dory BS deus ex machina Luke magic prevented it, but NOONE saw that coming. And they didnt both get absolutly massacred by the first order just laying out there in the open. And on top off that, managed to run a couple of kilometers in 2 seconds.
I don’t have anything to add to this, I just wanted to say Force Shitpost is the best thing I’ve read in a while.
Yea here’s what I hate about TLJ:
Everything... Rian “Cuckboy” Johnson himself.
I feel sorry that Mark Hamill has to Participate is such a pile of shit.
Now that we've seen JJ's episode 9, the kids in the sandbox analogy seems even more accurate.
Abrams knocked down Johnson's sandcastle to build a new one, but the damage was now cemented in the sandbox.
Space: I give no gravity!!!
Ryan Johnson: That ship was lighter, so... faster!
Think inertia instead of gravity here
Yes less weight means less energy required to accelerate
Vice Admiral Holdo didn't tell her own crew the escape plan. How did Benicio del Toro know the plan so he could sell it to the first order?
Part 1/3 [Introduction no star wars] -*no spoilers* I'm reading a fantastic french book called "How to win a war" from Jean Philippe Jaworski. I Hope it It will be translated in the common language someday, highly probable. The hero is a kind of truand who managed by his skill to have a very highly powerfull protagonist in the republic., he is on a boat from his republic and their are pursued 3(heavy) vs1 (light). Odds are impossible from frontal fight, flee is the only option.
But it doesn't work.☺
Even if they win 1V1, could win 1V2, 3V3 is too 1%chance of winning or less, enemy ships are too fat, numerous soldier and fuck physic like a goat in sahara.
the third just can break it by eperonnage. But they HAVE fast ship, their strat it to go in front of the wind and outmanoeuver theim. But it doesnt work☺. Something is going wrong. Veterans doesnt panick, thei will fight to the death. The capitain refused commands and win a major battle for their tiny but high skilled republic, he was glorious. Saviours deify him, almost, they trust theim at their deep core.
PART 2/3 [Links between starwars and human on a vehicles (air/marine/ground)
What is a difference between a marine ship and a space-marine from alien serie, chain of order, commands, autority, respect and act even the decision is quite surprising or revolting, they have to stick to it. From the wtf situation from ground battle with swords, to ships of magellan and his ships fleeing to a certain died with logistics almost condemning the whole plan. Disorder and revolts mainly leads to defeat to epic victory. Magellan finally reach the pacific and legend was been done (btw they discover Brazil way before everyone else, a simple "refuel point" for water and food, but the officers are so superiors they didnt share Jam with Vitamine C and scorbut to the sailors, the english did by deduction...the disease disappear so fast..)
PART 3 [Star Wars General Holdo (Holdo? Purple air..]
- as the super captain of my book, he shared information with his crew, respect, confidence, plans to battle or manoeuvers. No spying possible.
- but HERE she share nothing, almost. The mainly crew fall in dispair, the plan keep secrets and it as good cards but also very bad ones. I think the fact the depression of the crew didnt matter , it would change anything to be Hope mode or doomed mode; I try to defend here, I prefer perfect coordination on a ship.
- Oh super pilot, i will put you in your place, faggot (humiliating for spectators, both sex)
- Asian girl , preventing cowards to escape, good thing at this point only. Like the navigators to hang their own sailor to show authority and power. Love it;
But they dont kill them, we are in the future you know, convention of geneva *cough* . Just power up your stunt instrument, cowards stay cowards but how to justify murders in a critic situation where these guys can have low skilled jobs.
[bonus] Everything i write above is useless, the super pilot poe can receive the plan, understand it as the only way, even the sacrifice of the main big aircraft would be a thing. HE will understand, HE has to option of counter attack, and he can be a very good officer (lightbulb) at this point, only in the ice prison he finally gets it. Survive. Guerilla, whatever you want. You can put to knee/humiliate any form of superpower nation/Empire if you find their weekness. And the Empire and copypaste got MANY from economic/philosophical levels even stategic. etc (vietnam, ben laden,
[In conclusion] :
My personnal taste : Kylo reen, which i MEh at the beginning is now my favorite character. The last of the trilogy will probably a mess J.J Abrahams disney $$$ style. But I want something. The death star 3.0 commited a genocide beyond mesure. The rest of galaxy must react or their universe is complete nosense.
Continents revolted against UK , France (Napoléon), Ottomans etc etc.
And their, you ave fuckbois who blow whole planets full of people, this is not terrorism or strategic , it's pure evil. NOBODY CAN SUPPORT THAT. so It needs a reaction, or just put the movie to the trash.
Bye
This is the crux of all the criticism of TLJ. People complaining about things in the movie. Poe tells Finn and Rose to hurry up because Holdo is evacuating the ship. So many people work very hard to find faults that not exist with this film.
bwtv147 well first of all what made holdo think would happen they would let the escape pods go in the first place
@@zacharybreen8891 also explained in the text of the film. There is is a conversation about it between Poe and Leia.
Well obviously she only had to teach a lesson to all the toxic males, like keeping her effective second in command in the dark about it, but all the women knew it. And you know, gossip, so everyone else knew it after a while, probably the sand people on Tatooine even heard of it. If only Poe had been more attentive.
"i save u.." *AT-AT started gunning them* u got me there LOL
Driel Hijalga that cut made me laugh so hard. Love it
Imagine if Mark Hamill dug in his heels and refused to shoot that scene.
I don't know if he really contractually could have.. They own his character Luke .. And he pointedly for The Last 5 Years ever since Disney has bought them up has had qualms about what Disney and later specifically Johnson has been doing to Star Wars and to Luke.. But whatever he says and does, whatever qualms he's had at various interviews and sessions.. He's always come back to the point that Disney owns the character can do with it as they want.
Hey, there is always a choice, even if choices have consequences.
Let's not forget that Mark played Luke in three movies over 30 years ago, and he played exactly what George told him to. He started out as a whiny wimp, became a padawan who disobeys the wiser Jedi to try to save his friends and fails spectacularly with one hand less, only to be much much stronger in trotj. But I don't believe there's anything personal of Mark in his portrayal, so I don't think he knows "what Luke would truly be like" 30 years later, any more than any other moron.
@@Hgoenge81 the point of it all was that he climbed his way to power and it was earned, plus in his wisdom, you could see that he wanted to save his father badly when he understood why he turned to the Dark Side
So why would he suddenly change that perception for his nephew? His sisters child?
That makes no sense, when you’re in the business of helping others, you don’t just change that, time doesn’t matter on that
@@ShaolinDL and Rian had the choice of not making a shit movie.
I’ve never been angry at a movie for over two years before. I still want my money back.
Rian took a huge dump over everything Star Wars was and then called the fans stupid for hating it. I hope to god Disney realized the hate was actually costing them money and doesn’t allow him to direct another trilogy, I really wonder what a Jon Favearu trilogy would be like
@@Pringlebox And he made knives out only to show a middle finger to star wars fans
I had honestly forgotten about the existence of this movie, and that made me a happier person, now that i accidently stumbled on this video my anger has suddenly come back, truly baffling how poor the writing for this film was, so many plot holes, poorly written characters, wasted characters, useless plot lines and semingly ramdom and nonsensical story decisions that have no logical explanation, in fact this movie has brought out so much anger in me again that i find myself writing a whole damn paragraph (on another language since im not a Native english speaker) about how flawed it is at almost 3 AM
@@karnasingh860 but knives out is a pretty good movie
@@joaolucamendes3997 I kinda like the movie
Been a lifelong fan. Never thought the day would come when I wouldn't be excited for an upcoming star wars film. Yet I couldn't care less about Solo or episode 9.
Gerhard van Staden can't get over how much I hate a star wars film
Me too :(
Same boat here. I feel like they should have just made a Lando movie and not a Solo movie. And there is nothing left to even care about for Episode 9.
Same here.
Solo actually looks like it could be good, Episode 9... well, I don't exactly have high hopes for it after The Last Jedi.
I find it laughable that to defend his decision on Luke's Force abilities, Johnson pulls out a published book on Star Wars lore. What about all the mountains of books published in the Star Wars universe that were declared null and void when Disney acquired Star Wars? Are they simply allowed to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't based on their whims, while demanding that fans get over their own butthurt? Kind of disrespectful and hypocritical.
Did you not find it at all hypocritical that captain "Let the past die" goes digging through ancient expanded universe books to excuse his bad writing.
Are they allowed to pick and choose? Yes, you idiot, that's precisely why they did it; like the Marvel Universe and Comics, it's null until they can choose what part of it isn't. That's how resourceful creativity works. Not excusing his poor execution, but you're arguing against the wrong things.
Force projection could have worked if it WEREN'T used as an ability exhibited at the the moment it was by a character whose presence makes more emotional impact if known to be real and actually physically vulnerable. It's idiotic to argue against the use of the ability. Rather, it'd be more consistent to argue against it's use in the aforementioned context.
The Last Jedi is not about letting the past die. The only ones who said that were the villain - why would anyone agree with the villain - and Luke who was too focused on the past and the mistakes he made until Yoda woke him up by burning the tree down - and the Jedi books are still there, for Rey took them - and inspired him to move forward and be the Luke the Resistance needs. Besides force pulling the lightsaber was not a thing until Empire Strikes back and neither were force ghosts or moving large objects. And Hogan how would Luke have gotten there, for his ship is obviously in no condition to fly and if Luke was there, he could have just used the force against the walkers or pulled star destroyers out of the air, which fans would want to see and be hugely upset if he did not do something like that. By having him be a projection it takes away from him doing something like that and lessens fan outrage and it also plays into Kylo Ren not being perceptive and brash. Besides most of the audience did think he somehow made it there and was in danger.
Yeah, I'd say the guy making a Star Wars movie can pick and choose what he wants to use from the 40 years of ideas.
That and the fact that Johnson didn't take the decision to throw the EU out of the window. He actually served up more fan service than Rogue One, if you look at the way he links Episode VIII to both the Prequel trilogy and the OT, as well as the Expanded Universe to bring in some of the lore that fans were complaining was missing. And without that Darth Plagueis = Snoke theory that made no sense and would have wrecked the whole arc of Anakin's redemption. ;)
I just realized that the Critics Consensus on Rotten Tomatoes says that "The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy [...]" - no, it does not honor the saga or it's legacy in any way, and that is the problem.
I have more of a problem with the statement "saga's rich legacy". Like since when does Star wars have a rich legacy.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 A multi-billion $ Franchise that had major success at the Box Office (yes, even the new trilogy), that created a merchandise empire and thousands of stories and characters in games, comics and books, that inspired several writers, directors and artists and even influenced technology by creating fans that went on to get jobs to make their dreams that Star Wars gave them come true - And you don't consider that a "rich legacy"? I'm not saying that you have to love the franchise, hate it if you want to, but it certainly has a rich legacy that very few other film franchises come even close to.
legrandliseur tri bruh there's literally a lightsaber fencing sport and there are small businesses that makes money from making various designs of lightsaber. You really think star wars doesn't have legecy??? It has the biggest and most influential legecy in entertainment history that has been going strong for over 3 decades.
@@God_Is_An_Atheist Great, it made a lot of money. I don't see how that's a rich legacy.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 okay... this wasn't the only point I made, though.
"...1 guy building a sweet sand castle and the other one hates the sand " is where I thought it was going
"We can't catch them because they are lighter."
They're in SPACE.
Logic
In legends it was explained that the Mon Cal cruisers are faster than Imperial Star Destroyers but unfortunately they aren’t cannon anymore
Inertia exactly
Rose´s Sister Dropping bombs in
The Space
Fernando Gimenez nothing wrong with that though 👍
Subverting exceptions seems to be just having multiple anticlimaxes over and over again rather than putting something that seems good in front and center while having something better waiting in the wings
Agreed. Subverted expectations should not feel like needing to sneeze and not being able to.
That being said, I did really like the twist with hologram Luke -- like, nerding out in the theater wanting to rewind and watch the fight again level loved it. It was the only twist I felt was properly forshadowed; especially the moment I realized the cameras had made a big deal of showing us Kylo's feet repeatedly during the fight, just to rub it in that he's leaving footprints *and Luke isn't!*
(Sorry. Still nerding out, apparently {:D )
But, yeah, most of the movie was unnecessary plot filler or sneeze disappointment :/
Subverting expectations is just a code name for inability to make an interesting movie.
My expectations were totally subverted: i was expecting a "meh but ok" movie like the one before, instead it went full retard. My expectation of a good writer taking care of star wars were completely subverted.
Why does everyone say The Last Jedi was original Take?
That movie is The Empire Strikes Back with a little of Return of the Jedi it's not original.
The main plot of Empire Strikes Back is running away from the empire while Luke trains and another planet.
The main plot of Last Jedi the resistance running away from the first order while Ray trains on another planet
A battle on a white planet in a trench with the the enemy of attacking both movies
And the scenes with sonke felt lot like the scenes with Palpatine in Return of the Jedi.
That's honestly one of my biggest problems with the sequel trilogy. Not alot of originality.
When the similarities are on a vague outline with no real details, that's not a problem. Two movies having an overall similar plot is not a problem.
@@BakaHoushi in a universe, it is, it makes it unrealistic and stupid. We had 2 world wars. And many countries tried to win they same way in ww1, but it turned out different in every way, proving history doesn't just repeats
.....Annnnnd thats about as far as the similarities go.
@@jamesfontana3135 both Jurassic World movies have less similarities to the previous movies and everyone calls rehash this has more similarities and no one calls it a rehash.
I've been a _Star Wars_ fanboy for my entire life.
I was born the year before _The Phantom Menace_ dropped into theaters, I was part of the hype for _Revenge of the Sith_ in 2005, I dove into the deepest wells of the old Expanded Universe and quietly celebrated the coming of new blood to the fandom with Disney's half-reboot of the franchise.
I had genuine hope for the films after seeing _The Force Awakens,_ which I still thoroughly enjoy to this day. But only as a standalone experiment thanks to its unfortunate legacy.
I have only one thing to say about the hellish firestorm that is _The Last Jedi:_ It is a good movie, even a decent _Star Wars_ movie, but it is a horrible sequel.
it has a lot of interesting ideas but leaves little room for a continuation of the story.
@@docflights yea the last Jedi to me is a mixed bag but definitely better than the rise of skywalker in my opinion
That's a pretty good summary. If they'd decided to make a sequel to ep7 rather than three separate movies, it would all have gone more smoothly.
I thought the last jedi was absolute dogshit.
It’s good cause it’s star wars but it also hurts Star Wars
I actually like the Episode III the most because I absolutely love Ewan McGregor as my favourite Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I love the movie and my favorite character has always been anakin.
I remember weeks before seeing TLJ, I had a dream of seeing the movie. But when I came home after watching the movie, I forgot everything. I was so sad and angry for forgetting the whole movie. Than I woke up and realised of was a dream. Then I saw the actual movie, and I wished that I could forget the whole movie, like I did in my dreams.
JJ can't save this series because he can't write a good ending to save his life. Just look at Lost, Star Trek, Super 8 and every other project he was a writer on. His majic box system is great for starting series but is usless in finishing them.
@Red
I am not saying that Rian did anything good. The Last Jedi is a bad movie but The Force Awakens isn't that much better either. Rian fucked up by telling a new story and finishing off the OG's in a bad way.
But JJ made a sub-par Star Wars movie while he copied A New Hope. He had the original blueprints to Star Wars and still failed to create something cohesive and or great quality. And you need someone with those qualities to save this trilogy.
JJ will fail. Not because I hate him, but because he does not have the skills to make it better than what it is now.
It is not all his fault but he decided to make it his responsibility.
JJ can't write good anything.
ROSE STOPPED FINN FROM DOING HIS BIG HERO MOMENT SACRIFICEING HIMSELF TO SAVE EVERYONE. A N D T H E N S H E K I S S E D H I M! OUT OF NOWHERE!
TLJ has a serious tone, are you kidding? It literally starts with a terrible "your mother" joke. I agree the acting of Luke Skywalker was fantastic but what Rian Johnson did to the character should be a criminal offense. He took a character that inspired millions and turned him into a self-pitying, pathetic shell of a man who died without redeeming himself and now cannot do so. Unforgivable.
Yeah I can’t even get excited for episode 9.
The last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me...
I try to pretend it never happened
@@emiliochavez5121 "The Last Jedi?" More like "The Last Star Wars film anybody watches."
Cory Zilligen Ok...jokes do not stop a movie from being dark. Everyone pretty much lost in that movie. It’s still a little darker than the previous film!!
Wasn't his talk with Yoda and his eventual sacrifice to buy time for the resistance (or the republic, whatever) the part about his redemption? I'm pretty sure that was the intention.
@@thefirstbourne149 First of all, I think you clicked reply on the wrong comment. Secondly, the movie is still a tonal mess. It's one thing to put jokes _between_ dramatic moments. It's another entirely to _repeatedly_ interrupt the dramatic moments with cheap humor, like TLJ does. The opening scene between Poe and Hux is a great example of this, as the jokes Poe makes at Hux's expense and Hux's childish reaction makes it impossible to take the First Order seriously in that scene, when _everything else_ about it is clearly supposed to be setting them up as something to be afraid of.
Here’s a major plot hole, Leia gave Rey a bracelet that was to be used as a way to find the Resistabels after having found Luke. This is covered in FA and TLJ, then some 30 seconds later we have multiple people saying it’s impossible that the First Order tracked the Resistabels through light speed.
Here's another kind of important issue with the film, the time period spanning the end of FA to the beginning of TLJ is less than a week. You know what would have made an interesting story, how the First Order went from no major holdings to owning the galaxy in seven days.
Here’s kind of a minor issue, the way the weapons are depicted as working do not make sense. First it was the towers that couldn’t shoot one ship, then the bombers that basically self destruct upon a successful payload deliver, then the First Order fleet only carrying four tie fighters, then the energy weapons of the ships lobbing shots, to finally the speeders that fired zero shots and accounted for delaying the First Order advance for a grand total of 0 seconds, every single weapon system made no sense.
Here's another minor problem, the Resistabels were running to the planet to contact their allies, who are their allies?
I’m not sure what they spent on this piece of shit they called a movie, but it was clear they spent nothing on ensuring continuity.
JJ is so 'good' in writing 'mystery boxes', he is having problem with unboxing them himself. Letting JJ to FINISH a story will be really interesting. lol
He NEVER answers his mystery boxes, well he doesnt answer them in a good way.
knamedisme - he will 'mystery box' the movie for the next trilogy.
Alex Stewart - Can't agree more. JJ is a typical TV series producer whose sole 'talent' is to prolong the 'seasons' till everybody is fed up and nobody is watching. And let's face it, these days, a movie trilogy is just another 'glorified' season. Movies are becoming TV.
I still dont know why anyone thought han dying was shocking. It was the most telegraphed moment in cinema. So much that I laughed out loud in the theater when everyone gasped.
I remember the time when they first showed the Last jedi trailer. Everyone were excited and people started making fan theories about Snoke, Luke becoming evil, Rey's parents or Rey's turning to the Dark Side.
But when the movie came out, half of the fandom doesn't like it. Despised it.
Pete Burrows the movie also happened to just be poorly written.
Literally saw the last Jedi blu ray and DVD ad before this
The irony is literally,
Killing me
1. Massacred logics. If you can kamikaze any spaceship with light speed, why are there no rockets that can do so? Why exactly are all factions firing lasers instead of over-lightspeed rockets that annihilate anything? Lightspeed engines are cheap (every Xwing has one).
2. Admiral. She doesn't look like a person to trust, with that teenager-like purple hair and weird sweater, but that's not the case. Why does she need to keep the plan in secret? That only draws one more problem.
3. Finn/Rose arc is pointless. It changes nothing in the main arc, because their plan fails. It changes nothing in the character development, because Rose is generally more of a villain (she just kills Luke by stopping Finn's heroic sacrifice) and Finn doesn't change after all.
4. Rey is Mary Sue. She doesn't train fancing yet kills several elite bodyguards of Snoke. She doesn't have any problems through the film (except maybe a problem of staying close to the Dark Side, but she overcomes it anyway).
5. Ben Solo's development in TFA is denied. He becomes the new Supreme Leader after being THAT close to the Light Side.
6. Luke is completely out of character.
I like Snoke's death though. It was a pleasure to watch.
I don't even know who "Ben Solo" is lol, so Han Solo had a son who turned out to be a bad guy? I literally don't even remember that. Which probably says more about why this film failed than anything else tbh
That you can ram things with light speed was already mentioned in the first movie, so that's not a new plothole
And with Rey being a Mary sue... Let's not forget that luke managed to defeat Vader with at most a few weeks of actual training, even though Vader is the most feared and effective Jedi killer in the galaxy, or Anakin, the chosen one of legend who everyone knows is super important, the only human in the galaxy with fast enough reflexes to be able to compete in the pod races and who destroyed an entire Droid control ship without any proper training when he was 10 years old.
@@anna-flora999 While the Anakin part is a fair point, Luke did get his ass handed to him in his first duel with Vader. Later on it could be argued with Vader's feelings towards his son got in the way of his usual strength in Jedi killing.
Even if it was mentioned in the first movie about light speed ramming, it's the scope of it's effectiveness that is the most damning since one ship ended up taking out a entire fleet. Personally my main issue is the fact lightspeed Ram was possible despite running low on fuel.
@@Haos51 fair enough, and I admittedly didn't watch 8 yet, just saw a few videos about it
@@anna-flora999 Actually Luke didn't become a real Jedi until episode VI. Rey already had fighted and win in the very first episode Kylo Ren a fucking Skywalker trained by old Luke in combat and use of the force since child. As mentioned Luke had his ass kicked by Darth Vader in episode V and VI that was just taunting his son to the dark force, Kylo and Rey at the time were complete strangers to each other. And finally, Yoda didn't trained Luke physically, he did trained him mentally as opposite that Anakin was trained, when Luke sees him in Darth Vader helmet it was a reminder of what he could become and how Yoda was trying to prevent that. Luke vs Darth Vader always was a emotional duel. Rey is a joke seriously.
A little off topic, but the guidebooks like "The Jedi Path" "The Book of Sith" and "The Bounty Hunter Code" are absolute candy for anyone into Star Wars EU lore.
Finn says "that's impossible" when lightspeed tracking is mentioned yet seconds later he knows all about where the tracker is, how it works and how to disable it. He even has schematics. Did Finn just forget? Was he lying? Also, Rose's sister got literally vaporized in space yet Rose has her necklace moments later, how did she get it? Did the necklace use the force and fly back to the ship like Leia? Did Leia grab it on her way back? That's the kind of stuff that bugged me.
Geek Chorus Finn only knew where the dedicated server would be located. In the film, Rose and Finn discuss that a tracker utilizing a high rate of algorithms would need to have its own dedicated power source, the largest on the ship. Finn says he knows where to find that source, as he used to work in that area. Not a plot hole, sorry mate.
Hammil's performance was amazing. That just wasn't Luke.
Exactly. The sincere farmboy who never gives up and turns the tide. Vs the last three. Hide from everything.
Agreed
Laltluangliana Sailop that was a more complex Luke lol
@@xxraddude3621 more complex luke my behind
Tracey Jackson it’s true tho
Imagine if he brought out her parents in chains and told her about all the horrible stuff they did after abandoning her for selfish reasons, he could try to convince her to kill them
One thing I don't see mentioned often is the extra crushing expectations if you read the expanded universe. Like of course Luke was never going to be what he was in EU Star Wars (a guy who can close black holes or weild multiple lightsabers with the force). But to have SUCH a fall of a man who the entire movie was built around finding was not just subverting expectations, it would be like if you went to a Superman movie, but instead Superman was just a cranky old dude who eventually decides to dust off just his freeze breath to help slow down Doomsday so some humans can escape, and then he dies. For those who have never read a comic or didn't care about him that is a neat and interesting new direction! For those who grew up idolizing him, it is disappointing and devastating.
Strange that if you overexert using the force, you die or be one with the force.
The prequels, the none of the Jedi that overexert themselves and nobody died. Obi-Wan never overexert himself to be one with the force. Yoda was old, and didn't overexert himself to be one with the force. The sith regularly overexert themselves, and remains alive.
So Luke dying made people in the cinema cry, while I get to scratch my head, and say What?!!
Well, actually we don't really know for sure if he's dead, right? Indeed, he disappears - but a good story teller could use this as camouflage for something more interesting than what the movies contains as they are. I doubt any of the previous story tellers are up to the task, though... they've done enough damage to the concept already. :-/
I do think it would be cool though, if this was just another hologram, created by Luke in case someone DID find him... makes sense, since he really doesn't want to be found, right? It could also protect him from the wrong guys - e.g. Sith - if they found him.
brufnus I dunno. Rey and Leia both say that Luke is gone at the end of the movie. Maybe JJ will somehow explain it without Luke dying. I doubt it, though.
Stopped caring, i just view these as expensive fan fiction and nothing more. I don`t hate it anymore then i would hate some 9-year olds script where they insert themselves into the story and they beat everyone. It goes like this. "Whatever kid, if that is what tickles you. Just don`t expect me to pay for it."
Except this fanfiction is canon which is kinda tragic.
Yeah, but you can just ignore the concept of what's canon and what's not and you'll be happy.
Great points by all 3 of you.
@@Lunk42 OFFICIAL L2 ENGLISH and nope fan fiction
@@thefran901 OFFICIAL L2 ENGLISH
Smug corporation gets mad people don't like their overly manufactured bs.
You're just not playing enough attention, you missed the plot point that made everything make sense, or too much attention, omg it's just a movie/TV show, stop looking into things so much. Stop trolling, our media is great, look here are some experts to tell you why you're wrong and why our products are classics and something must be wrong with your life if you don't think so. Something something fan theory.
I guess blaming the consumer is easier than admitting to the shareholders that you made a bad product.
They can blame the consumer all they want. It won't help sell any of their plastic shit.
@@somethinglikethat2176 You missed a plot point in an extended universe book (one of 40 or so books) that has been declared non-canon 2 years prior.
Siana Gearz this is a valid complaint; I frequently criticize the notion that supplemental material is needed to understand concepts in a movie. If it’s needed, your movie didn’t do it’s job.
HOWEVER COMMA Star Wars fans (and generally hardcore fans of sci-fi & comic series) can be notorious for citing supplemental material to make their arguments, especially when the movie deviates from it.
You will never be able to convince me that Rian Johnson did not deliberately set out to destroy as much of Star Wars as possible.
...ok
if you're not open-minded you will never learn or understand anything new. That's not our job to correct, but yours
@@goddepersonno3782 Are you suggesting there is an argument that would be more probable than RJ deliberately set out to destroy as much of Star Wars?
@@mcbean1 ye he just sucks
That's why he is now known as Ruin Johnson.
For real. Like the Last Jedi wasn't just a bad Star Wars movie, attacked everything that made Star Wars beloved and unique with deliberate precision. You don't get a film like the Last Jedi by accident, it has to be deliberate.
Rian stikes me as a man who as a lot of ego, as evidenced by how he refused to take any criticisms following this film. He never, ever even sympathized with anything dissenters had to say in any capacity. I think he went into the Last Jedi wanting to make his mark on cinema. But instead of creating something amazing like the greatest directors, writers, and actors etc have done, he decided to destroy something amazing. Because that's a lot easer than creating something amazing and it will be just as remembered for it's notoriety.
And you can't tell me Rian didn't want to destroy parts of Star Wars. The Last Jedi destroyed classic characters, classic ideas, classic themes, and even the lore and continuity of the universe. A huge message the film was to destroy the past, kill it if you have to as said by Kylo and reenforced by Yoda destroying the Jedi tree housing the Jedi text, a moment that clearly symbolized breaking with the past.
Rian wanted to break with the past and he did that. He killed any semblance of legacy and history in Star Wars but the problem is, legacy and history *defines* Star Wars. As such, the Last Jedi was an attack on Star Wars's very identity and it's obvious why the backlash was so severe. Fans love Star Wars love its history, legacy, and continuity meaning and were justifiably outraged when the Last Jedi deliberately destroyed those things.
Many of the scenes, ideas and characters of the sequels *could've* worked out well and have been glorious for a new Star Wars story.
Grumpy Ol' Luke, disillusioned by 30 years of failures (eventually rediscovering his faith in himself and the Force) *could've* been great.
Kylo Ren doing a "classic Sith" and murdering his master to take his place (surprising everyone by becoming the new "Big Bad" of the story) *could've* been great.
An epic slow-paced chase through space, the Resistance a hair's breadth from annihilation (the stress and paranoia of being under constant threat leading to mutiny), *could've* been great.
Rey's parents being nobodies, forcing her to reevaluate her own identity and goals (perhaps leading her towards the Dark Side) *could've* been great.
Luke appearing as a Force projection to distract Kylo (maybe as his big comeback, before rejoining the Resistance in person or heck, even as a Force Ghost appearing to Leia or Rey) *could've* been great.
If only it had been written in a way that made sense any kind of sense at all in relation to, the previous movies, the established character traits of the various characters, and internally within the movie itself.
This comment deserves an award
is there a way to award certain comments on youtube?
I’d like to add one, Kylo Ren offering Rey to join him in reigning together and her accepting could have been fantastic.
exactly my opinion. This concepts were great. But the setting wasn't the right one. Episodes 7,8 and 9 should have been about the rise of Kylo Ren and about Luke falling into depression. With 10,11 and 12 being the actual sequels that we got.
That's why depressed Thor in Endgame works (as a concept): we saw his struggle in Ragnarok and especially in Infinity War. We didn't get so to see Lukes version of it.
Except that they did work well.
Rise of skywalker: Rei throws lightsaber into fire, luke catches it and sais:
Luke: a jedi's weapon deserves some respect
Me: ummm
6:58
That's because that line was JJ Abrams deliberately calling out Johnson's writing.
@@CantusTropus huh i didn't know that, well thats cool in the behind the scenes perspective but its still kinda funny in the movie xD
"The movies are inversely proportional."
Nope. Hate em both.
Same here.
I used to think I didn’t like TFA, but then I started to like it and absolutely hate TLJ when I thought about how much of a major piece of shit Rian Johnson is for doing everything he did in that movie.
I truly started appreciating The Force Awakens as soon as I stepped out from the theatre after The Last Jedi.
@@stefanoolivotto2391 Felt very much the same. I'm having very low expectations for Episode 9, still holding out hope that maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but knowing that it's likely to be bad just nor as bad as it could be.
I felt TFA was "meh, but well, they need to introduce a whole new demographic to Star Wars, so I can see why they're copying A New Hope. If the next one is good, then it's okay". And then TLJ came... Yeah, about all that...
I knew someone who stated ‘I never really liked Star Wars till the Last Jedi’
And yet she didn’t realize how much that simple statement said.
Exactly, this isn’t the Star Wars that true fans enjoyed.
That person can keep his shitty episode then. The rest of us have 6 other great movies
Is she Asian, or does she have purple hair?
@@NotQuiteFirst neither.
But she is a looney leftist.
She ended our 30+year friendship over me disagreeing with a trans person
@@jordoruiz0001 what six are those? I can count four, but no more.
@@freakazoid4691prequels are much better than shit sequels
"Rey's character was brilliant..."
I've finally come to the conclusion that this video is just an elaborate prank
Just like these sequel movies
Yeppers.
:)
Wonderful, taking one part of a sentence out of context.
“There was a lot of good here. Daisy Ridley’s Rey was brilliant as usual as was Kylo Ren”. There’s your context. It is still wrong. Rey is boring, arc-less and, yes, a Mary Sue Kathleen Kennedy fan-fic insert put in for ideological, rather than dramatic, purposes.
@@choreomaniac No, that still misses the context. I don't even like Rey but seriously.
Another random Tristan then enlighten us. What is the context? It seems clear that he didn’t think Rey was part of the problem in the movie. Rian destroyed most of JJs creations: Snoke, Kylo’s helmet, Rey’s parentage, Luke’s lightsaber, Hux as a viable villain, Finnand Po as major characters, etc. but he left Rey alone. Filmento is decidedly not criticizing Ridley or Rey. What part of the “context” indicates anything other than the literal statement that Ridleys Rey was and is brilliant?
I just don't get why they dropped Finn's ark, he was the most interesting of the bunch and they side lined him. Why?
Because we need White Main Characters. Not Black.
Btw, just in case another moronic cry baby tries to insult me. This is sarcasm.
Jesus Christ.
@@TheArtis4n but he was the main character. That's why this is so annoying.
@@Carium1 Precisely
Because the writers and directors of the sequels are stupid and because they did not allow any male character to gain any prestige. Prestige is reserved for the "strong female" hero Rey. That was most obvious when Rose prevented Finn from making a heroic sacrifice to save his friends from certain death. In that scene, Rose proved to be the villain of the story. The prestige envy was also the reason for the assassination of Luke Skywalker's character. The male hero of the original trilogy had to be humiliated and his personality annihilated to make room for the "strong female" hero. That's toxic femininity in a nutshell, shown on the big screen.
@@JustCallMeElle I wanna argue with you about this but I'm 99% sure you're right
I used to watch each Star Wars movie 40-50 times...
I watched the new ones once.
And it's not like they don't know how to write great stuff, Clone Wars was an incredibly written show.
That's because of the minds behind clone wars, Dave Filoni is the man who helped make clone wars the shining star in modern Star Wars. Filoni gives a shit about the universe of Star Wars as much as making his own characters. The clone wars and even rebels is some of the only post prequels Star Wars content I enjoy.
And rogue one was pretty great, but I can’t stand any of the new stuff, safe for maybe solo, but that film only works if you pretend its just “A Star Wars story” and forget they’re actually butchering one of the best characters ever
Agree. I watched the original trilogy EVERY WEEKEND when I was in the 7th grade. Watched the new movies twice, and only because my kids wanted me to watch it with them
I used to want to become Jedi after watching 2 old trilogies. I've watched Ep. VII, parts of VIII and plot of IX. I don't want to watch them.
Clone Wars isn't Disney
Filmento saying "spoiler alert" after saying the spoiler is some of the funniest shit I can possibly watch, made my day lol
Johnson is a hipster who is more concerned with making something edgy and different than good.
George Lucas troll
George Lucas Well you sold the franchise so quit your whining.
still better than the trilogy directed by you
George Lucas Like the Prequels you made? Dumbass
I agree with both you, George, _and_ logan.
8:20 But I hate both movies tho? That statement is false.
...or I'm just an exception...
Megaman LOL same
+1
Your not, most people just liked the TFA because they were so hyped up for anything Star Wars and could get by purely on effects. The honeymoon period has past and now we can actually look at the films more soberly. Which is that it's TFA is a boring, inferior version of A New Hope, that is largely inoffensive, but not interesting. The Last Jedi on the other hand was offensively to our intelligence with it's inconsistencies, Mary Sue characters, the complete lack of a Heroes Journey of any kind, making other characters weaker or dumber to make the Mary Sue seem amazing and the absolutely disgraceful miswriting of beloved characters.
Nah according to him you're a space-time anomaly that shouldn't exist.
I liked TFA when I first saw it. it had some weak scenes and moments but it felt like it was building somewhere. TLJ retroactively made me hate TFA because all of that build up was wasted.
The space chase absolutely felt like an episode of Star Trek
The Potato no worse
when kylo ren kills his fatherHan solo, spoiler alert
that's...not How spoilers alert work
My issue with the Force Awakens was how they handled Han's death....I remember seeing Lord of the Rings in theaters and watching Gandalf fall off the bridge and then the melodramatic music as they exit the mines and the hobbits all fall to their knees and start weeping....very powerful for someone who may not have read the books because they had setup Gandalf as a likable character in just ONE MOVIE.
Han had three movies where he was setup and I felt NOTHING when he died.
Not seeing what's wrong with his death, he died a good death. What else could you have expected from him? What?! IF you felt nothing, it might have been a you thing. not expecting you to weep or anything but at least felt something.
Again, not seeing how han died a bad death at all.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Characters barely reacting, the story barely changing, and the character's best friend not even getting time to mourn or be comforted by others. Awful writing, and an awful way to do it.
@@Swordsman99k LMAO What? The hell are you even talking about? The characters DID react to Han’s death and the Story DID change overall, the hell are you mumbling about here as your not making any sense here at all.
The character’s best friend, if you mean Luke, not talking about Han’s death was a mistake that should have been shown in Last Jedi, but that was on the last Jedi, NOT on force awakens. And Leia and Rey DID comfort one another over Han’s death as a whole so your not making any sense acting as if nobody didn’t address that at all.
It wasn’t “aWfUl wRiTiNg” at all NOR a “aWfUl wAY tO dO iT” either, you Star Wars fans always whining and moaning over absolutely nothing. It was an overall fine way to end off Han’s character, it could have been done better, sure but that was perfectly fine to do it as we’ve seen it.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself as there was barely any issue there at all at that moment me plot point.
Whining like this over nothing like a child.
"she'd be the kind who never tells you she's pregnant until the baby's already graduating from college"
spat my drink out holy shit
The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force
Filed under: Legends
As in non-canon. Anything in that book doesn't exist in the current Star Wars universe and should have been properly set up.
And besides, why the fuck should the average moviegoer and/or SW fan have to do their homework? Reading supplementary material should never be REQUIRED.
Because the other force powers were properlly setup in the OT... Jesus, people sometimes...
+hirotocrash
MTE. I would like examples of when all force powers were explained before being used in the OT. Since people love banging on about it so much, they must've set them up very carefully in the originals, right? Right?!
versena Repeat after me, this is the EIGHTH INSTALLMENT in the saga. Repeat again. You don’t have as much freedom in establishing rules as in OT. Even if the continuity is not a problem for you, you don’t get to say people that think continuity is broken are wrong.
The problem for me isn't that the new Force powers (or unexpected uses of old Force powers like Leia pulling herself back to the ship) aren't "set up," it's that they're used in a way that serves no purpose other than Lucy yanking the football away. "OK, so here's Leia's death, could be tragic or heroic--YOINK! No, actually, she survives. But her ability to use the Force like this never factors into the story before or after, and now they'll have to kill her in the Opening Crawl if they don't wanna use a CGI revenant in the next movie."
"Luke shows up for a touching reunion with Leia and an epic showdown with Kylo! PSYCH! Not really, he's just projecting himself as a hologram. Too bad he never used this to be the perfect spy for the Resistance, but it's a pretty awesome ability so now he can use it in the fut--oh, nope, YOINK!, he just dies and blows away in the wind because somethingsomething Force-overdose."
"Rey is The! Most! Powerful! Force User! Ever! And she's drawn to and connected to Anakin's old lightsaber somehow, so she's gotta have a deep connection to the wider narrative, right? Nope--she's just a random orphan, like Broom Boy at the end; everything's just random and disconnected now."
There's a lot of this in the new trilogy, not just Force powers. Snoke--emerges from nowhere, goes to nowhere. Hyperspace ramming--suddenly a thing, but I won't be a bit surprised if nobody ever thinks to use it again, weaponize it (hyperspace torpedoes) or defend against it (Interdictor Cruiser escorts for capital ships). The First Order, with resources, ships, etc. that dwarf the Empire--just appears out of nowhere and now they're all blown up (but don't be surprised if there's an EVEN BIGGER Even Bigger Death Star in Episode IX). The New Republic created at the end of Return of the Jedi--just gone, never amounted to anything anyway. The Canto Bight supblot--takes up a significant portion of the entire movie, but could have hit the cutting-room floor without leaving a noticeable hole in the main story.
It comes down to a complete lack of narrative continuity. It's so pervasive that this trilogy isn't so much a new story, as a flashy Dubstep remix of the Original Trilogy: "Let's have the Hive of Scum and Villainy be all posh and rich instead of a dive like Mos Eisley! So clever and innovative!" "I know--let's do the Battle of Hoth in reverse, where the transports go TO the white planet--salt, not snow, so it's totally new and unexpected--to face the giant walkers instead of escaping!" "Let's do the Palpatine throne-room scene, except the climactic battle is against the guards instead of the Emperor!")
this is one of my new favorite channels. no one else is on your level of cutting right to the heart of the matter and breaking it down so adeptly
If Rey's parents were nobodies, how did Kylo know who they were?
Doesn’t it kind of imply that he peered into her thoughts and found the truth because she knew it all along and just didn’t want to admit it?
Also why did kylo get so upset when Rey was mentioned in the first movie ??
@@claudewinters2091 also why the lightsaber that belonged to Anakin and Luke "called to her"??? Why did it show her visions?!
"What girl!?"
The only consistency TLJ had was Rey remained a Mery-Sue....
Like every other star wars protagonist
Soul Links A Mary Sue is a character that is way to good at everything. Looking back to Luke in the originals, he started out as garbage. He trained for a day with Obi-wan, then for 6 months with Yoda. And after all that, he still got shit on in his first fight with Vader. It also takes him forever to learn how to properly use the force, and even after training he is still weak with it. Compare that to Rey, who with no training or prior experience with a lightsaber, destroys a trained warrior like its nothing. She also manages to master a Jedi Mind Trick in about 30 seconds. There is a clear difference between them, and I hope this rant helps you differentiate in the future :).
Except that's not true. Rey had prior training with weapons and spent most of her life dealing with space ship parts and stories about the Jedi. She knew what was possible, but was still inexperienced. In the end, she barely managed to hold her own against a Sith Warrior in training who was already barely keeping himself alive after being shot by a weapon that should have killed him instantly and after he had to fight someone else. Compare a lot of this to the stuff Luke also did after little to no training, including things thaty were never established as possible up to that point.
@@BakaHoushi Sean Goss Rey has had no training with a lightsaber, I don't know where you're getting that from. Knowing how to use a staff and a sword is completely different, and she wasn't trained, its implied she was self-taught. Compared to a Sith warrior who has had years of training, its no contest. And it showed in the movie that being hurt is a good thing for Kylo because he fights with anger. "She knew what's possible" yeah that's not how you master a skill in under a minute.
She was self-taught in using basic weaponry. She can swing a stick. She didn't have some masterful use of the blade. She was wailing on Kylo. She was no Obi Wan. She wasn't even an Empire-level Luke. She was someone whose done a lot of fighting wailing on a half-dead and exhausted foe. And yeah, she learns to mind-trick a storm trooper after a few tries. Kinda like how Luke learns to pull objects from far away with no real training on that subject. And nothing compared to young Anakin basically using instinct and blind luck with no training to fly ships and win battles with no training.
This is one of your first videos where I just genuinely disagree with your statement and don't feel like you really understand /why/ the films received so much backlash, and it's kind of unfortunate.
You, no doubt, have taken the route of a professional movie reviewer who strives to find good in these films - but does not fully appreciate or understand where they came from, nor just how horribly polarizing and manipulative they are. You can see character development in Rose, but don't see the issue of Luke not mourning Han Solo for even a moment after his passing despite those characters being extremely close, far more weighted connections than two random asian girls. You don't see the issue with Leia immediately comforting Rey at Han Solo's death, a character she hardly knows and one that should not care in the slightest about Han, rather than Chewy - who spent decades with Han Solo, in life or death situations.
The story is literally twisted to benefit this one character and not in a good way, rather at the expense of characters we know and love. Rey and Rose did not earn anything, they were given everything and the audience was told to like it.
You are correct sir
🤘
Well, firstly the scene with Leia and Rey happened in TFA not in TLJ, so it's kind of weird to blame Rian for this. Secondly, Luke and Han really haven't seen each other in decades. And as a Jedi they believe in peace and balace, that death is inevitable and must be accepted as a part of life. When Anakin told Yoda about his fear of Padmé's death he simply told him not to worry and just accept it if that happens.
Also, what exactly gained Rose by the end of the film? Nothing. Her arc was needed to help develp Finn(he was introduced in the first one and if he would've been the one to be sidelined it would've caused an enormous Backlash) as a character and to show people outside of Skywalkers, Jedi, Sith who were in this War and show that they matter just as much.
@@ЛюдмилаВасильева-щ7у Roses arc didn't develop Finn in the slightest. The last jedi didn't develop him in the slightest. It just reset his development from The Force Awakens and had him do the exact same thing.
@@EskChan19 didn't he Come to the mission to destroy killerbase just to rescue Rey? Similar happened in the begining of TLJ but because of Rose and the realisation that he Can actually make a difference he grew. Thé whole set up was that he would lead the stormtrooper rebelion in the final film. I don't know to me it's a huge character growth from someone who escapes to save themselves to someone who is ready to die if it helps to win the War. However, in TROS yes, they just copypasted. He hasn't changed at all throughout the entire movie.
For what it’s worth I thought some of the Jedi aspects of the film were some of the deepest parts of the franchise, bringing in Kreias philosophy etc. but it’s like the director said “no you want to see space’s slowest high speed chase”
Star Wars episode VIII: Luke's Character Assassination
Apparently they did not count the people who put 1 or half a star in the percentage so it should be 28% for viewers on Rotten Tomatoes.
Glassic Gamer should be less than 20 percent
And notice 1) how big of a decline it saw in the box office vs force awakens (crappy, deriviative fan service can at least fool people and is much better than actively seeking to destroy the foundations of the IP for no reason other than to attack fans), 2) the resulting backlash making Soylo a complete failure and possibly causing Disney to already fire that bitch Kathleen Kennedy, and 3) the way that marvel movie sequels for individual heroes, by contrast, tend to build upon the financial success of their predecessors. The hype, excitement, and anticipation leading up to last jedi was enough that a movie on par with force awakens (definitely a low bar) and building on what it had set up would've made double what last jedi made.
Not apparently, that's EXACTLY what happened. Lefties circling the wagon train around their own. Fortunately everybody is too sick of the Left bullying everyone else around in order to get their way to just stand by and let it happen any more.
True !
The Last Jedi was a fever dream for Ray, wakes up in Luke's shack.
RESET BUTTON!
Is that really what you want to happen?
I wish less bitching in my life, the more I hear bitching about it the more I want nothing to do with Star Wars.
AND THEN LUKE EATS HIS LIGHT SABER
you need to remove yourself from all the people bitching about this movie. They are just toxic. Lucas WAS a corporation as well, people are kidding themselves only hating on Disney.
That would be gutsy AF! But it would be hilarious, especially if fans love the redo.
The thing that first REALLY bugged me was that the laser cannons suddenly had a bullet drop effect in space, as can be seen shortly at 13:26. Why?
Something something space.....something something gravity...something something idunno. - Rian Johnson.
Because Johnson wanted to make it like a WW2 battleships chase, and battleships lob shells in the same fashion, so therefore the lasers move through space with the same arc.
2015-2017 RIP fin
It was possible
The problem is that lucas films needed a overall plan.... to change director and give full control shows that they had no plan at all
If marvel had done that, infinity wars would never had happened
I refuse to accept the notion that a moment was "set up" or "explained" because some SW book or somethng. First, Johnson doesn't get to pull that card since the EU was thrown out, and b) the movies are supposed to be self-contained, at the very least when it comes to narrative mediums. Personally, my biggest problem with the Last Jedi was the non-existent motivation of Kylo Ren. If I'm supposed to sympathize with a space Nazi, the least the movie could do is explain what about goose-stepping is so appealing to him. The Last Jedi doesn't tell you, but some shit book nobody has ever heard of apparently does, so I guess it means everything was explained, right? Well no, it doesn't work like that, movie. That's nothing but a shyster's attempt to excuse lazy storytelling and the jumbled mess of incoherent gibberish it inevitably created.
Vztahovacna None of the Force powers have ever been set up
If the EU is now thrown out how can Thrawn be in Rebels?
Im just pointing this out.
gguru1 they're just picking and choosing bits and pieces from the old now non canon EU to add to their new canon. They put a pale imitation of Thrawn in Rebels but that doesn't mean the old EU is canon again.
Bjørn Halfhand I honestly dont care, i was just pointing out that the EU is fair game for them to pick from for the new canon as they please.
I dont mind the introduction of new force powers, but in this case it was done at the expense of denying us a proper final duel for Luke.
gguru1 yeah they really shit on Luke. Sad really. So little left to explore in episode 9. Especially if you're not interested in the whole Reylo thing.
I thought it said: The Last Jedi - how to break a fan base. film perfection
Learning to read well is an essential skill for an adult human being.
Otherwise, trainwreck movies like these are made.
TLJ plot was inconsistent with TFA which is a major fail. Luke skywalker character is inconsistent with the original trilogy which is another major fail. The humor is weird and inappropriate. Like the phone gag in the beginning and luke tossing the lightsaber. There's no character progression. With Finn especially whose role is pointless in the movie. The whole movie was a ridiculous fail given the franchise, the budget and how easy it actually should be to make a star wars movie. Star wars movies should be a slam dunk. It's not that complicated a story.
i think thats the point , we are used to a uncomplicated story , we know the basic heroes journey and the fall of the hero , this movie set out for something different and hey you like it or you dont but i wont shit on Johnson for doing something different and interesting
By your logic, Luke is inconsistent in the original trilogy bc he is very different between a New Hope and Return of the Jedi. . .
I'm not shitting on doing your own thing but it's inappropriate when you're doing the 8th movie in a saga to do your own thing. It's not even consistent with the previous movie. That throwing the light saber for one was weird. It so contradicts the tone of the scene at the end of TFA. The whole plot of TFA which I thought was stupid was that luke left a way to find him if they really needed him and now someone finds him and he just tosses the lightsaber and acts like a grumpy asshole the whole movie. His best friend is dead and his sister is in grave danger and he doesn't give a shit. Hows that make sense with any kind of basic human behavior let alone Lukes established pattern of behavior? And lastly we are talking about the most successful franchise in film history. Is doing your own thing and going in a new and contradictory direction a smart thing to do or just a sign of blind arrogance?
@Jonathan Reddoch
ANH -> ROTJ
Luke progressing
ROTJ->TLJ
Luke regressing, doing the very opposite of what he did in ROTJ
big difference
Also, different is not the same as inconsistent
+Irus Jarlaup
Stop, that's not why this was shit, its not "complicated" its "inconsistent" "bad writing" "uninteresting"
Rey and Snoke being nobodies is the opposite of complicated, its totally simple, lazy and uninteresting, they just show up, and one of them dies with no real impact.
Characters don't act at all like they did in previous films, their suddenly different without any PROGRESSION
Being a bad writer is "different" in the way that eating dogshit on fine china is "different"
jar jar and palpatine are rey's parents? i knew it!
There are leaks that say Palpatine is MaRey's grandfather...
Lena Pa Dude, I can’t! 😂😂
Tfw palpatine is rey's grandaddy
i think you are right
>TFW Filmento is a prophet.
I hated both TFA and TLJ. But TLJ is definitely worse. The fact that up to that point I thought TFA is the worst high budget movie I have ever seen makes the failure of TLJ quite spectacular.
Red Knight How many movies have you seen?
Betacle TV Is there a a point to your question?
That there are so many objectively much worse high budget films than TFA that you can't have seen many.
Yeah, pretty much. We must've seen different movies, because there's no way The Last Jedi can be the worst thing you've ever seen. Stop being a sheep, and actually watch the movie and make an opinion for yourself for Pete's sake.
Oh no man, TLJ was cringey AF lol, I laughed a lot, it was funny, but the story was so bad. I mean superman Leia was so cringe. I swear there were 3 good things about that film, the humour, the badass fight scene after Snoke dies, and Porgs, everything else was just a mess, so many plot holes it could put swiss cheese to shame and a story that made no fucking sense.
Yo you straight up predicted Rey being related to Palpatine AS A JOKE