Brandan Schieppati | BLEEDING THROUGH: Pioneering Metalcore & Politics in Metal | Garza Podcast 74

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  • Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
  • Garza sits down with Brandan Schieppati. Singer of Orange County metalcore band Bleeding Through. With animosity/bitterness between the Inland Empire & Orange Country hardcore scene. This conversation between Brandan & Garza took 20 years to happen. We talk about the deep origins of HEAVY music as we know it today. If it wasn’t for Brandan. Most of our favorite heavy bands wouldn’t exist. / bleedingthrough
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    TIME CODES:
    00:00 - Taking Risks & Feeling Confident
    02:20 - Fan Appreciation Through the Years
    05:20 - Dealing with Burnout
    08:03 - Derek Youngsma (Drummer)
    12:31 - Everyone Rips These Days
    14:12 - Being A Pillar of Deathcore/Politics In Metal
    21:35 - Animosity Between the IE & OC Hardcore Scene
    26:30 - Being in Eighteen Visions & Throwdown at the Same Time!
    31:45 - What Was Brandan Listening To in the OC?
    33:15 - Heavy Shit
    34:44 - Being Easy or Difficult to Work With
    36:18 - Personalities Within the Band
    37:58 - Unique Sounds Across 3 Bands (Eighteen Visions, Throwdown, Bleeding Through)
    39:44 - Where Did Eighteen Visions Get Their Style From?
    42:25 - 24 Years In, Being heavy AF
    46:45 - Working with Devin Townsend on Declaration (2008)
    47:35 - Getting Pigeonholed
    51:18 - Ozzfest 2004
    01:08:44 - Inspiration
    01:11:40 - Being Straight Edge for 13 Years
    01:18:04 - Rise Above Fitness
    01:28:50 - Being Authentic & Connecting with People
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 140

  • @msiaregodz
    @msiaregodz 7 місяців тому +6

    FINALLY SOMEONE GIVES BLEEDING THROUGH THE RECOGNITION THEY DESERVE! They are what metalcore sounds like to me...Brandan is the best!

  • @Rob_Cary
    @Rob_Cary Рік тому +36

    Fred Durst: Nobody can say the F bomb more than us in our hot dog song!
    Bleeding Through writing Revenge I Seek: Hold my beer

    • @djsmith1166
      @djsmith1166 Рік тому

      Revenge I Seek: 22 fucks (including ""fucking")
      Hot Dog: 47 fucks

    • @Mavvyd96
      @Mavvyd96 11 місяців тому

      On God, bro. Brandon says fuck so many times but I'd wager Ivan from Five Finger Death Punch gives him a run for his money.

  • @namelesserv5419
    @namelesserv5419 Рік тому +63

    This pod is really turning into a machine, horns up 2 Garza for the hard work. Does not go unnoticed!

  • @kbsjudgmentroom6154
    @kbsjudgmentroom6154 Рік тому +10

    100% Bleeding Through, Poison the well,18 Visions Deserve more credit for the current state of music

  • @DH-hl5tc
    @DH-hl5tc Рік тому +18

    Great podcast. That era of 02 - 06 nwoahm and metalcore was such an exciting time, so many bands breaking ground and doing big numbers in that time. Probably the most underrated era of metal and hardcore.

  • @chuies1314
    @chuies1314 Рік тому +11

    Garza is at every LA show I go to.. definitely pays attention to the bands coming up

  • @salinaember9527
    @salinaember9527 Рік тому +11

    Bleeding Through are a legendary band. Every hardcore and metal fan knows whats up with the late 90s/early 2000s pioneers. I remember being young and thinking they were the heaviest, darkest hardcore band and i wasnt alone.

  • @aamiw99
    @aamiw99 11 місяців тому +9

    It's kinda trippy that Bleeding Through is as old as I am. Being a Motionless in White fan for almost a decade, I built it up in my head that Bleeding Through was one of those massive bands like Slipknot and Korn just based on how their lead singer Chris was talking about them in interviews. In 2019 I finally decided to listen to the band, and due to their longevity, I now have many albums to listen to of my favourite kind of heavy music. I may not have a story from the 2000s, but damn I can't wait for what's to come from them!
    Amazing podcast!

  • @Jorgetime
    @Jorgetime Рік тому +8

    Love that Garza always pulls up the notebook to write down bands. You can feel the passion!

  • @canoradam
    @canoradam Рік тому +13

    So stoked to hear him say Declaration is his favourite record of theirs. It's one of my all-time favourite albums.

    • @Turbo_Toad
      @Turbo_Toad 11 місяців тому

      My favorite record also. Dropped my softmore/Jr year in hs and it was just really deep heavy stuff and great writing.

    • @EmberToAshes
      @EmberToAshes 6 місяців тому

      Listened to it so much during the back end of 2008, fantastic album.

    • @ADHDxDahveed
      @ADHDxDahveed 6 днів тому

      its top for me but self titled just .. ionno man sooo well crafted but sister charlatan is still my #1 song ever

  • @LP-ec7hw
    @LP-ec7hw Рік тому +6

    This got deep. So good.

  • @pattohorne
    @pattohorne Рік тому +14

    Hell yeah Bleeding Through has been my favorite band for about 20yrs now. This just made my day

  • @Demolisher375
    @Demolisher375 Рік тому +21

    Once again, Garza is the goat! Ready to listen to this at work.

    • @GarzaPodcast
      @GarzaPodcast  Рік тому +3

      That was really nice man. Thank you. I’m stoked on this one! -GaЯza

    • @Demolisher375
      @Demolisher375 Рік тому

      Always man!! Can't wait for the next one! Stay metal 🤘

  • @KukoKonji
    @KukoKonji Рік тому +6

    Garza, please keep bringing the OGs!

    • @GarzaPodcast
      @GarzaPodcast  Рік тому +3

      We got a DM OG next week that I'm really fkn stoked about. -GaЯza

    • @KukoKonji
      @KukoKonji Рік тому +3

      @@GarzaPodcast your Devourment Episode is still the King. Man really thanks for what you’re doing!

    • @GarzaPodcast
      @GarzaPodcast  Рік тому +2

      The people have spoken. Devourment is SIC. We wouldn't be here without you tuning in. I appreciate it. -GaЯza

  • @johnnielsen82
    @johnnielsen82 10 місяців тому +3

    Some hard earned wisdom at this table. Damn. Still inspiring this old metal head. Thanks guys!

  • @denniskirkegaardjensen3597
    @denniskirkegaardjensen3597 Рік тому +5

    This was wholesome AF. Did not expect that. Branden has such an incredible voice. His delivery is fierce and pronunciation on point 🤘

  • @Sun-Eater616
    @Sun-Eater616 2 місяці тому

    I met Brandan at Download festival back in 2006 and he was so so humble and kind. It was the most amazing experience ever, they were my all time favourite band in my early 20's. They're playing This is love this is murderous in full in Manchester in a few months and I can't attend. Absolutely gutted it would have been incredible to see. Praying for a UK tour sometime soon.

  • @YaBoyJRock42069
    @YaBoyJRock42069 Рік тому +24

    Bleeding Through is hands down my favorite metalcore band from the 2000s era. I still jam Portrait of the Goddess regularly. Every album is amazing tho. BT has a solid AF discography

    • @QuestNation3221
      @QuestNation3221 Рік тому

      Shame about the terrible clean vocals though.

    • @blairjordan2879
      @blairjordan2879 11 місяців тому +2

      Mine too. Jump off to so many bands, but this is love this is murderous is still a masterpiece of pissed off metalcore

    • @YaBoyJRock42069
      @YaBoyJRock42069 3 місяці тому

      ​@@QuestNation3221🤡

    • @YaBoyJRock42069
      @YaBoyJRock42069 3 місяці тому

      ​@@blairjordan2879💯🤘

    • @sryxafraidofmonstersx
      @sryxafraidofmonstersx 15 днів тому

      definetly agree this is love this is murderous is in my car right now

  • @weirdowilliams3723
    @weirdowilliams3723 Рік тому +3

    Declaration is the best metal album of all time. EVER!

  • @decepticonmark
    @decepticonmark Рік тому +5

    I owe a lot to Bleeding Through, my all time top favorite bands to this day. This Is Love, This Is Murderous still holds up as one of the heaviest most influential records ever. I met remember meeting Marta in 2010, just the nicest and sweetest person. I've only been to 4 Ozzfests. '97, '98, '99 and the 2004 one.

  • @eduardogalvan3804
    @eduardogalvan3804 Рік тому +2

    I been going to BT shows since 14 I am now 34 and still going.

  • @dcfromthev
    @dcfromthev 7 місяців тому +1

    I got into Bleeding Through when This is Love came out, and recently saw them play for the first time in decades and they absolutely ripped. Classic California metalcore legends!

  • @budrothefox3666
    @budrothefox3666 Рік тому +2

    Bleeding Through is one great example of a band that stays true to their core identity and yet has evolved over the years at the same time. Fucking love their music and always will! :)

  • @robokopp3827
    @robokopp3827 Рік тому +2

    I saw Bleeding Through in a small club in Minneapolis in the Early 2000's and have been a huge fan ever since. I've loved every album and they stand out to me as a band with absolute integrity. Thanks for all the brootal music throughout the years Brandan!

  • @JasonAnthony2222
    @JasonAnthony2222 Рік тому +4

    Brandan is one of my biggest (anti)heros. I love everything the dude does and this makes me miss his jabberjaw podcasts, those were fun. I got to meet him in 2018 east coast tsunami fest after being a fan all these years and I'm so glad I got to shake his hand. I could tell he didn't feel comfortable though, I regret not getting a picture with him. His lyrics, music have been a huge inspiration to me, seeing you two guys trade compliments in kind is very awesome to see.

  • @pliersbittaker
    @pliersbittaker Рік тому +2

    I came across a clip of this on tiktok and it didn't disappoint, you don't hear the oldschool guys talking this candidly about all aspects of the "scene" from back in the day! Love that there was plenty of 18v chat too! I'll deffo be checking this pod out more often.

  • @refused1
    @refused1 Рік тому +2

    Garza, it's dope to see everyone grown and egos checked. Super humbling.

  • @sryxafraidofmonstersx
    @sryxafraidofmonstersx 15 днів тому

    easily one of my favorite bands this is love this is murderous is one of my all time top albums

  • @twotechss
    @twotechss Рік тому +2

    Awesome Podcast so far. I’m so glad Garza is talking to Brandan about the past with 18 visions and throwdown and the old BT records. But you can clearly tell Brandan doesn’t want to live in the past or talk about the past and just cares about current Bleeding Through and future Bleeding Through. I hope some day for a remaster or re record of Portrait Of The Goddess.. I don’t think he realizes how groundbreaking those early records are.

  • @bryanburnthorne7278
    @bryanburnthorne7278 Рік тому +2

    I am so glad bleeding through came back. I can't wait for the next record

  • @KageyVision
    @KageyVision 8 місяців тому +1

    Love Bleeding Through.
    For Love and Failing is such a awesome song to “try” and sing! 😂
    Great convo guys 🤟🏾

  • @AndrewJShirley
    @AndrewJShirley Рік тому +3

    This is fucking excellent. I absolutely love that Chris furiously scribbles down band names in this and almost all other podcasts he's put out. Hearing such stories and insight from one of the loveliest frontmen I've ever met.

  • @MB1BUMPER
    @MB1BUMPER 4 місяці тому

    Bleeding through NEEDS to play in Las Vegas please.I never see them here ever and it’s time damn it

  • @dustinbaxter4521
    @dustinbaxter4521 Рік тому +3

    My favorite band of all time 😍 thanks Garza for having Brandon on hopefully more people see this and listen to Bleeding Through

  • @johnthompson6689
    @johnthompson6689 Рік тому +3

    Your best one since Glen Benton, congrats on these guests brother.

  • @reubenk7331
    @reubenk7331 9 місяців тому +1

    Bleeding through is so wicked and Brandan is awesome. Sucks I missed so many awesome bands growing up, but now I am making up for it 🤘

  • @brandonwright8184
    @brandonwright8184 Рік тому +1

    I hope this podcast blows up. First of its kind.🤘🏼

  • @brett5569
    @brett5569 Рік тому

    Great episode! Glad you see how humble you two are.

  • @__M738
    @__M738 Рік тому +2

    Dude thank you this brought me back
    I still jam all the OC/IE/LA hardcore/metal core bands. Such a fun time in my life that I’ll cherish forever.

  • @jamesonhook1405
    @jamesonhook1405 Рік тому +5

    It was intresting hearing the back and fourth about the scene in California! Orange country bands were definitely dicks ! Haha.

  • @corycourtney8923
    @corycourtney8923 Рік тому +2

    Declaration goes so fucking hard still. One of my favorites. Great interview. Seeing other people stoked makes me all the more stoked. I can also related to being Straight Edge in the early part of my life being so important to keeping me out of trouble.

  • @CodyIgor
    @CodyIgor Рік тому

    This is the best pod period...the guests are unreal

  • @freakgoingunder
    @freakgoingunder 5 місяців тому

    Never been a fan of the band, but Portrait of the Goddess has a special place for me. Such a Great record

  • @berniearmas3629
    @berniearmas3629 Рік тому

    Best of the best!!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @kingdick8390
    @kingdick8390 Рік тому +2

    Bleeding through one of the very first heavy band I ever heard back in like 03 lol Love lost in a hail of gunfire!!

  • @danmayberry6717
    @danmayberry6717 8 місяців тому +1

    I found Bleeding Through on one of those random Metal Mixtape CDs back in the early 2000s. Was instantly a fan, and went on to see them at multiple Ozzfests as well as a tour they headlined with 2 other bands. One of those bands was Fight Paris. Mississippi Nights in St. Louis Missouri!

  • @jessiegarcia82
    @jessiegarcia82 Рік тому +1

    Bleeding Through was the first real heavy band I got into 20 years ago.

  • @inspektorgadget1129
    @inspektorgadget1129 Рік тому +1

    YES ! DECLRATATION is the best record of beleding through! really love it

  • @Nickmusic0827
    @Nickmusic0827 Рік тому +3

    Keep it up Garza! The production and guest selection is top tier

  • @grimeyshred
    @grimeyshred Рік тому +2

    Awesome podcast. I never realized he was in eighteen visions and throwdown at one point. He briefly brought up bloodsimple, damn I wish we got another release from them.

    • @robbieclymore7877
      @robbieclymore7877 9 місяців тому

      He was in 18 visions for three records and multiple touring cycles

  • @anthonywallace1676
    @anthonywallace1676 5 місяців тому

    Bro I literally throw these podcast on all day at work doing something special for the metal industry

  • @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
    @BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers 8 місяців тому +1

    Savior, Saint, Salvation 🤘

  • @evanseidlitz
    @evanseidlitz Рік тому +2

    Great interview. Brandan is such a solid dude. Privileged for the opportunities he’s given to @thrownintoexile recently.

  • @jbasti227
    @jbasti227 Рік тому +1

    Holy shit Garza you’ve been KILLING it with these guests!

  • @ADHDxDahveed
    @ADHDxDahveed 6 днів тому

    Brandan inspired my favorite vocalist Chris Motionless... I'd love to hear another collab between them.

  • @diegobandz666
    @diegobandz666 Рік тому +1

    Dawg you’ve been killing w these guests lately - keep tha heat coming mane 🫶🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @michaelkeithSWSC
    @michaelkeithSWSC Рік тому

    Brandan is literally the nicest guy. Great episode Chris.

  • @zerozignals
    @zerozignals Рік тому

    This made my day, I still remember watching bleeding through at the Halloween show in October ish at glasshouse Pomona , they went up in full skull make up. And covered misfits die die my darling. One of the most epic nights ever.

  • @lukehart1580
    @lukehart1580 Рік тому

    Finally I knew it 🤘the day is here

  • @John-rambo84
    @John-rambo84 Рік тому

    Been waiting for this one

  • @830audio6
    @830audio6 Рік тому +1

    Garza Podcast is so sick!

  • @taylorkarnehm7184
    @taylorkarnehm7184 11 місяців тому

    I absolutely love this podcast. Brendon has grown so much from the wolfs among sheep documentary from back in the day. I love that he's grown and no longer straight edge, so he can experience the things he missed with other bands. I fucking love bleeding through. Great job Garza, Horns up! 🤘

  • @channingaustin
    @channingaustin 7 місяців тому

    I’m in total shock seeing Brandan drinking Beer😮😮😮 Him, Eighteen Visions and Throwdown was the reason I discovered Straight Edge

  • @NinjaChoke
    @NinjaChoke 7 місяців тому

    Bleeding Through's latest 4 songs are fantastic, i ever have to say their best works. (exept Line In The Sand which is my favorite of all time) They trully know what their fans love, this heavy blackened sound with blastbeats, symphonic synths and beautiful choruses.
    Still wait for the day when they play Line In The Sand live, such and underrated masterpiece.

  • @zekejohnson5752
    @zekejohnson5752 Рік тому

    Great podcast. Hooked on bleeding through since portrait of a goddess. Seen them twice at the white rabbit in San Antonio back in the day. It was so sick

  • @Mavvyd96
    @Mavvyd96 11 місяців тому

    Garza is gonna be huge. This dude will be the best podcast in metal.

  • @alanarguelles4970
    @alanarguelles4970 Рік тому

    I was there at the San Bernardino Ozzfest 2004! 51:06

  • @rjryder1472
    @rjryder1472 Рік тому

    That's the one OZZFEST I went to I caught it in Dallas.Been a Bleeding Through fan since then!!

  • @joerazz91
    @joerazz91 Рік тому +1

    One of my all time favorite bands! This is love is my all time favorite metalcore record. It would be cool to see more old metalcore bands on the podcast. Underoath would make a fascinating episode because of their history. Another pioneering heavy metalcore band bury your dead would be sick for the Garza podcast. Get Mat Bruso!

    • @neighborhoodmusicsnob5517
      @neighborhoodmusicsnob5517 10 місяців тому

      Converge would be great even though they're so far apart from Suicide Silence

  • @Finechug
    @Finechug Рік тому

    Brandan is the man. I miss him doing his podcast

  • @utubeisazzhoe1413
    @utubeisazzhoe1413 5 місяців тому

    Hell yeah second stage ozzfest was tight as fuck in Camden NJ and Bleeding Through blew me away. First time hearing them

  • @alejandroamodio
    @alejandroamodio Рік тому

    We need a documentary about BT! I would love the see it! About the history of the band until nowday

  • @user-sl8ys3io8c
    @user-sl8ys3io8c 3 місяці тому

    My top 3 favorite bands are Suicide Silence, Bleeding Through, and Motionless In White. Best tour ever waiting to happen

  • @robertozandoval4544
    @robertozandoval4544 3 місяці тому

    Coming from a og hardcore kid , this band got me into metalcore, and i like that their pits still gots mfkrs still hardcore dancing... Cuz now in the metalcore scene its frowned upon. Like the new fans forgot who made metalcore a thing... Us the Hardcore kids.. still ninjas in the pit.

  • @k.r.2089
    @k.r.2089 Рік тому +1

    Bleeding through.Dearly Demented.🤘🏼

  • @edmundkempersdartboard173
    @edmundkempersdartboard173 6 місяців тому

    Piled 8 people into one 2 bedroom motel room to see them in some festival in Austin like 20 years ago. Good donuts.

  • @rossjefferies2224
    @rossjefferies2224 6 місяців тому

    Seeing Brandon drink a beer and smoke a Vape just blew my mind

  • @freakinsweetdude
    @freakinsweetdude 11 місяців тому +1

    Small typo on your time stamp, it says "being straight edge for 13 years" but he said he started being edge at 13 and was edge for 20 years. Awesome vids btw.

  • @skatermark420
    @skatermark420 11 місяців тому

    The bands you keep getting on here are all the ones i grew up with. And others i would show were like meh! lol i would get mad these bands saved my life! and still do! keep up the good shit bro i look forward to every video you put up!

  • @HouseOf1000Discourses
    @HouseOf1000Discourses 7 місяців тому

    Shep is my favorite metal singer.

  • @fvaltierra05
    @fvaltierra05 Рік тому

    A la chingada Garza.... Love your pod bro!! N

  • @lightheadedman2
    @lightheadedman2 Рік тому +1

    I would’ve asked how the HIM tour came about completely different genres but same show lol

  • @benburns1623
    @benburns1623 Рік тому

    Great podcast I remember I used to go see Bleeding Through back in the day at Chain Reaction. Any chance getting Chris Barnes or the Cannibal Corpse dudes on in the future?

  • @gunnarsaxum3174
    @gunnarsaxum3174 Рік тому

    Sick episode! Gotta get Gods Hate on next, you already know Taylor

  • @topgunjoeicdbko
    @topgunjoeicdbko Місяць тому

    On wings of lead s+ tier song top 10 of all time in metalcore

  • @chuies1314
    @chuies1314 Рік тому +2

    Who went to headbangers ball with bleeding through himsa archenemy cradle of filth.. that shit was insane

    • @zerozignals
      @zerozignals Рік тому

      Me ! House of blues in Anaheim when it was till at downtown Disney !

  • @muneyjodye
    @muneyjodye Рік тому +1

    Grew up on Bleeding Through: This is Love This is Murderous in high school. Underrated album btw.
    Very influential album and band during that time. (The Movie Soundclip intros, blast beats, singing on hooks, breakdowns, keys, all black look)
    It was very apparent that the OC, LA and IE hardcore metal bands didn't fw each other. Too many politics and egos in the hardcore metal scene. Like I'm cooler than you attitude
    Winds of Plague was the Rancho Cucamonga version of OC's Bleeding Through.
    There was too many shows going at once too Glasshouse, Chain Reaction, Showcase, LA venues.
    More fests would have created a better synergy between bands like Nightmare Fest or like a Sound and Fury for instance.
    Suicide Silence and JFAC created a new wave of death metal bands that surpassed the metal core, emo bands at the time. People gravitated to heavier breakdowns and pig squeals n shit
    I can see why there was animosity / egos between bands because the shift in genres and over saturation of copy cat bands. There's still shitty death core bands today that copied the formula of the early 2000s bands
    I like how Brandan is now focused on his business as well as his music career. I also liked the breaking straight edge conversation of the interview

  • @gretelsgooch1676
    @gretelsgooch1676 Рік тому +1

    Been tuning in every monday, really enjoying the podcast. That being said ,would love to see Greyhaven on here.

  • @joerazz91
    @joerazz91 11 місяців тому

    I wish you guys would of talked about when back in the day avenged sevenfold opened up shows for bleeding through!

  • @Joose
    @Joose 10 місяців тому +3

    I feel like they kind of opened the door for Blackened Deathcore without knowing it or meaning to.

  • @adriancole9681
    @adriancole9681 Рік тому

    Yesterday is Time Killed still fucking slaps.

  • @williammckinney4188
    @williammckinney4188 День тому

    "That record makes you feel like yourself" lol

  • @pollyanna147
    @pollyanna147 Рік тому +1

    What is the deal with Scott Danough not playing with them now?

  • @jacobblue1985
    @jacobblue1985 11 місяців тому

    Brandon drinking BEER??? MY MY THINGS HAVE CHANGED 😅

  • @newbritainpauly4841
    @newbritainpauly4841 5 місяців тому

    For the algorithm

  • @robbieclymore7877
    @robbieclymore7877 9 місяців тому

    How long has Brandon not been edge?

  • @bengennings5433
    @bengennings5433 6 місяців тому

    Garza PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET ALEX VARKATZAZ ex Atreyu on!!!

    • @__M738
      @__M738 6 місяців тому

      This

  • @XenixtraX
    @XenixtraX Рік тому

    need to get kharma on this ish

  • @ObiWanShinobi67
    @ObiWanShinobi67 4 місяці тому

    Lol can't believe these bands used to beef.

  • @Zimx02
    @Zimx02 9 місяців тому +1

    When Chris asks "Brandan, do you realize what a special time you were involved in?" with the whole weight of his heart, I felt that so hard. Bleeding Through, Eighteen Visions, Avenged Sevenfold, Throwdown, Atreyu, even My Chemical Romance... There was this world that suddenly came to life where I wanted to be, where the existential atheistic uncompromising punk metal goth sons of Danzig were living and thriving. Bands were making their own little web 2.0 websites, flash games, and hosting band forums. And as soon as it came, it was gone.
    All these bands were replaced by boring formulaic scream-verse sing-chorus metalcore bands and boring predictable breakdown bands that couldn't write riffs or lyrics and simply copied each other. It's like the genre became oversimplified and commodified, and most of the bands that were good at it just abandoned it in favor of something radio-friendly with very little to say or a message buried by marketing forced and fans that didn't get it. The new deathcore wave at large was so aimless and woefully simple that the whole deathcore movement just got replaced with even dumber 'bass-drop' dubstep, dubious opportunistic 'screamo'-pop predators, and doubly boring, lukewarm djent bands afraid of hair or eyeliner.
    Hearing you two talk about the disconnect there was between those waves of bands is so crazy, and it makes me think of how cool it was for Motionless in White to wear their influences on their sleeve like they do. I wouldn't put on any of their songs personally, but that's a band I can look at and have no misunderstanding that they _get it_.

    • @Zimx02
      @Zimx02 9 місяців тому

      Thank you Chris for this amazing podcast. It's very sweet to hear interviews with real ass people like you that KNOW the music.

    • @Fullcollapse1
      @Fullcollapse1 9 місяців тому

      So true I can't stand that pop rnb whiny singing in Metalcore and overdone generic drop G riffs now. Sounds way overproduced and everything sounds so fucking robotic. There's just no passion so it's not even about it being good or bad but it's just a phase because we know they will hop to the next trend. That's the difference between us and them and it's not gatekeeping but people forget where this scene came from is the point they miss. Normie hipsters infiltrated the scene. unfortunately