Hi Zak so I training my own service dog and I'm 13 so its tricky but, he does something where he will start whining and pulling to other dogs even if I tell him to leave it he doesn't even take treats during a dog present and I wanted to know how to teach him to ignore other dogs could you do a video on how I can solve this?
@@NeonAssassian This actually happened with my dog. He got much worse and became super reactive to dogs when not addressed. What works for me is when your dog first sees another dog, immediately say your marker word and reward the dog. If the dog doesn't take treats, either get higher value treats or back away until you find the spot your dog will take treats again. Make sure to be super chill and not get anxious because that contributed to making my dog reactive. No, I am not a dog trainer, but I am currently owner training my service dog and found this is what works. Keep the experience positive, and condition the dog to expect a reward as soon as it sees another dog. This way the dog will immediately pay attention to you. You can phase out treats later. Good luck in your training! 😃
@@ainsleythebunnylover9997 Ok thank you this should help yay I needed a service dog and my family couldn't afford one so I training him he is a 8m Belgian Malinois he has gone to many stores and public spaces for training but, he just is super dog relativity pulls towards them and starts whining so hopefully this helps!
This is so ridiculous... I have a Great Pyrenees that is incredibly well trained using only entirely force free and consent based training methods. Force free training is modern, science-backed, efficient dog training.
Nope, you didn't let her go "too far". That seemed a very appropriate interaction (if a little bit of a noisy one) between a young adult dog and a rambunctious puppy. Adults have every right to (and absolutely should) set boundaries with puppies. This provides valuable lessons for the puppy and teaches them more inhibited play and they learn that not every dog wants to be pounced on and not every dog wants to rough-house. These are lessons that adult dogs teach puppies that humans can't really teach. Humans can try, but I believe we fall very short of the adult dogs. Intervention is only needed when the adult correction gets out of hand and the puppy is in danger of being hurt. In my own experience (and others may have had a different experience), that's pretty rare. Most adults are pretty forgiving of puppies and will be very measured in setting boundaries with the pup. I've seldom seen a situation in which the adult was actually wanting to harm the puppy and even fewer where the adult actually did harm the puppy.
Zak George. We believe that the purpose of training is to serve dog kind. You however seem to regard training as some kind of dodge or hussy. Your theories are the worst kind of popular dripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor trainer Zack George. You have no place with this dog, or this field.
It's a title to make people click, don't you know how social media works? 🙄 Also, have you not progressed mentally passed childhood? Why do you need to yell to make your point?
He's also someone who likes to open for discussion and not act like a know it all. Goes to show your level of intellect if you think that acting like you know everything proves that you are intelligent. It is the opposite. People like you just project insecurity. Same with all these macho trainers. What a joke
I think they did great and didn’t need human intervention, in that instance. I have a 10 month old gsd and I intervene when necessary, but I try and let my senior girl communicate freely with her. However, that’s because I know my senior will give fair “corrections” and not over correct or scare her. She’s very tolerant of her puppy ways, but will let her know when she has overstepped the boundaries. If someone is unsure how one or both dogs may respond, I’d always say it’s better to be cautious and intervene too early, than potentially too late.
It’s fascinating that zak thinks species specific behavior is fundamentally different than trainer-dog interaction. If a dog nips another dog as a correction, that’s effective correction to convey dissatisfaction via minor inflicted negative outcome of discomfort, but I am curious WHY he thinks that somehow this flies out the window as effective if a trainer utilizes a leash pop, or uses a prong collar or an e collar to communicate a behavior is undesirable. Of course u need to build trust with your dog and not undermine it. But the dog can also be shown clearly what behavior is acceptable or not, with both positive reinforcement and as a last resort a negative correction.
Have you been paying attention or not?? Dogs were BRED to prioritise HUMAN command! It's literally how domestication works. Only the dogs who listened to humans were bred. Those dogs evolved to obey men for their survival. There is an unequal POWER DYNAMIC between human and dog! Good lord. If you consider yourself to be equal to a dog maybe you should start sleeping on the floor and eating dog food. You are not a dog. You cannot correct a dog the way a other dog would. It is similar to a parent - child dynamic. The parent has the upper hand. It's like kicking a child in response to them kicking you. Not goddamned OK. Are you people thick? It's fascinating how many mental gymnastics yall do just to justify mysogyny and toxic masculinity.
You seem to not understand what "positive" and "negative" mean in reference to dog training. They refer to the addition or subtraction of a stimulus. Corrections typically are positive (adding a stimulus) punishment (to discourage a behavior). The corrections you are referring to are considered "positive" because they are the addition of stimulus, they fall under the category of positive punishment. You should read a couple of books on the science of dog training and behavioral modification, especially if you want to seriously engage in these sorts of conversations. Karen Pryor's Don't Shoot The Dog, and Jean Donaldson's The Culture Clash are good places to start. Regardless, communication between animals of the same species is not the same as communication between humans and animals. First of all, a dog is going to understand a correction from another dog in their own langauge much differently than they'll understand a correction from a human in the form of a leash pop. Secondly, unlike other dogs, we have access to more efficient and ethical forms of behavioral modification. If you turn to justifying doing things to animals because animals do it to each other, you'll quickly find yourself defending a lot of horrific things.
@@elijah6852 you are correct . However my point is that introducing a negative stimulus that is timely and in line with the level of undesired behavior does not erode a dogs trust in a human if the human is also consistent and loving . If you yank at a collar and scream at your dog all the time and zap them, sure.
Personally I utilize the beep function on my dogs e collar. She gets so locked in on outside stimuli that it’s worked wonders grabbing her attention. Once I have her attention she listens beautifully. I would think that a simple tone noise on the e collar wouldn’t be considered “negative reinforcement” but who knows I’m no trainer. I just have found that’s what works best for us.
So you understand and accept a "correction" if administered by another dog as you see it a "clear communication", yet continue to demonise balanced trainers that advocate for similar communication principles in their methodology
Social interaction between members of the same species (in most cases force free as in this case) is completely different than putting a collar engineered to be painful around a dogs neck. It is a misrepresentation of social dynamics.
@@zakgeorge a correction is a correction, the level of that correction should be the minimal EFFECTIVE dose. Just the same as any quadrant when applied, what is the correct frequency and intensity that the quadrant needs to be applied to obtain the desired result. You're smart enough to know that there are just as many types and levels of correction, much the same as reward, so please stop trying to misrepresent a correction as only ever being a higher scale of that quadrant. I am addressing you respectfully and acknowledging your knowledge, intelligence and skills, please don't insult mine by continuing to use false equivalence as a defence!
@zakgeorge Just another example of double standards and your manipulations on this channel. Stress is good when it suits you, but it is not when it doesn't.
What i think this is an extremely controlled environment with extremely tame, well socialized dogs, BUT, there are OTHER cases where powerful Full grown dogs are not socialized properly, and are out of control and when they are scared or not sure of a NEW situation with other UNKNOWN animals & people these dogs can be AGGRESSIVE AND DANGEROUS!!!! Thats when REAL Dog Trainers are needed like DogDaddy, when gentle soft style trainers have failed & ppl are at their wit’s end & feeling desperate and like they have lost control of their own lives!!! I thank God for Dog Daddy !!!! He is patient & kind and never hurts a dog!! Only giving gentle corrections as the Little petite dog in your video here does!! These corrections let that puppy learn boundaries - but what if he went without any type of corrections at all for 2-3 even 5 years and slowly got worse and more aggressive?? Thats when I call Dog Daddy for help -AND NOT YOU!!! You should stop trying to block other people’s work!!! Don’t worry you will still have a career!! Leave him alone!!!!! Thank you
No, you didn't let it go too far. And it looks to me that Shade understood Veronica didn't like it, while Veronica understood that she can just tell Shade off - and got a bit more confident.
My question is, what do you do when the puppy doesnt "get it". I had a senior dog continually try to explain to a larger puppy his ears werent play toys but it never got through. Neither dog was ever in danger and the worst that happened was yelling matches, but I'd love to know if there's anything more you can do to teach the puppy what "back off" really means
Yet you will notice she behaved in a force free manner. When we talk about aaversive dog training concepts we are talking about administering premeditated pain and discomfort. It is disingenuous to equate species specific behavior with that of principles guided by the field of applied animal behavior.
@@zakgeorgeso what about Inertia in the previous video where she gave Shade a correction? She actually did nip Shade which would equate to it not being force free. Not only did she nip Shade, her doing so cause Shade to bang into the crate which can be seen from Shade as another correction. So are you saying those two corrections done by Inertia and Veronica are the same?
@@georgenakasone7613notice how he chose not to respond to this? I don’t think he will ever have a good answer when asked about a dog nipping another dog to “CORRECT” them. They are okay with dogs barking at each other as a form of correction so I am also very curious how this community feels about a nip correction, which is very common.
@@Hotdads1yeah I know he won't answer. I've asked him so many different questions in the past that he doesn't answer. It's so easy to corner these force free people because deep down they actually know the balanced approach is the best training method. For whatever reason, they are too soft to give the dog a correction. It hurts their feelings. So they choose to crucify those who are capable of doing it, even though they know that it's what the dog actually needs. Try looking at the conversation I had with someone else on another tread for this video. It's the one with 13 or 14 replies I believe. That person kept saying how I was being dishonest until I proved the only person who was being dishonest and disingenuous was him. If you get a chance to read through it, it's hilarious.
@@georgenakasone7613 the problem is that they definitely believe in what they’re saying because they have biased scientific studies to back up what they’re saying. Even PubMed admits that the studies that everyone in this community refers to never followed up with the welfare of the dogs post study and it was only testing the efficacy of methods not longevity. OBVIOUSLY when you are training new behaviors, positive reinforcement only is your best option. However, they only tested force free and only aversive training. They completely left out balanced training in the studies. IMAGINE THAT. You can’t beat your dog into learning something new nor should you ever even think that’s an effective way to train a dog. I agree that there are people that use tools to hurt and abuse dogs whether intentional or not but that is a very small minority. You can hurt a dog with a flat collar, a harness, your hands, and even your voice. People like to do what makes THEM feel good and not what is best for their dog. It’s sad but it’s true. Also, a lot of these studies come out of veterinary behavioral science fields where these people are not training dogs. They’re using their fee fee’s to determine how everyone else should handle their pets.
I think Veronica is doing just fine in making her opinions very clear, everyone’s on the same page no one’s bleeding it’s a good job no need for intervention.
@zakgeorge Doing a deep dive / speed-run through your incredible content. Any reason why puppy pads were prevalent for Inertia but not in the picture for Veronica and Shade?
ZACARIAH only has a PetSmart certificate. He claims he's an expert lol. Does not train in person, just makes videos for money. No testimonials of dogs he personally trained anywhere to be found either.
My personal opinion from what you've shown...and to be fair it's only a snapshot...is that you give the puppy too much freedom and too much time out of the crate. Also seem to have the "let them work it out" mentality and you're moving too fast and not being fair to the older dogs. Again...could be totally wrong as I'm not at your house.
How much time do you think a puppy should be in the crate? I believe (firmly) that crates should be used only when the puppy can't be supervised and should never be used as a punishment or as a "baby sitter". If I'm able to supervise, I would never put the puppy in a crate. Obviously, there are times when putting the puppy in the crate is necessary (we had a refrigerator delivered; our puppy was in his crate when the door was being opened, people were carrying a heavy and bulky object around--a puppy running underfoot was NOT a good idea and my mind was on the refrigerator, not the puppy at that moment.) If I feel the adult dog needs a break from the puppy, I distract the puppy with a play session with me, a lick mat, or other object (not just stick the puppy in a crate to get him or her out of my hair).
@@janhankins911I crate my puppies most of the time. They are out to potty. Out to train. Out to play...but just with me. I keep the crate where I'm going to be and so they are wirh the family. I do this for nearly the entire first year.
@@RyanRoberson-gc1op Dogs were not meant to be in the crate "most of the time". I'm sorry, but that is misuse of the crate. How can you establish a relationship with your puppy if they're in the crate most of the time? In addition, keeping a dog in a crate 'most of the time' can lead to severe problem behaviors, including compulsive behaviors, excessive barking, and crippling anxiety. No, dogs (and puppies) were not meant to be crated "most of the time". That's abuse of the crate. And, in my own opinion, abuse of the puppy.
Nothing wrong. Infact, you did the right thing. But I think you're a hypocrite for going against balanced training methods and the use of corrections and now you're allowing your own dogs to make corrections and saying its okay. Whenever you had all your fanboys and girls talking bad about trainers like Joel Beckmen and his use of his dog Prince to make corrections to other dogs, you didn't say anything. All you did was say how he was part of the problem. Whether you believe he's part of the problem, why can't you side with him for what you believe he's doing right? And now all your fanboys and girls who were against Beckman can't say how you're wrong because they don't want to go against you. I wish all you force free community can just call things the way they are instead of putting your ideology forefront instead of the actual dogs who end up suffering because of it.
What you are conveniently ignoring is that Prince is much more violent in his interactions - he's a bully. Someone telling you to stop being rude, versus someone bullying you. Are they really the same?
@@alexsarbu3978what you're ignoring is the fact that Prince will match the other dogs energy. He will go as far as he needs to. In this video with Veronica giving a correction and the prior video of Inertia giving a correction, do you honestly think there wouldn't have been a physical correction if Shade didn't back off right away or if he kept on doing the same thing even after the first correction? Its funny how the force free community keeps on moving the goal post.
@@georgenakasone7613 Oh, using twisted, dishonest language to ill-describe what is happening. Prince is an out of control bully. Veronica is a good girl. The difference is in their upbringing, Prince was abused by an idiot. And, very important, Prince doesn't give warning signals. I've seen Prince attacking dogs without good reason. The simple fact that the idiot has so many videos and is so proud of Prince attacking other dogs is a huge red flag... As for Zak's Veronica and Shade, that's what good upbringing results in: Veronica tells Shade to back off, Shade backed off, and Veronica was happy. There was no escalation, and it's stupid to play your "what if" games.
@@alexsarbu3978 a correction isn't a warning. It's a correction. What Veronica and Inertia did wasn't a warning. It was a correction. Sure there's different levels of correction. The difference between the correction that you saw Veronica and Inertia give versus what Prince gives is the other dogs. Beckman and Prince ain't dealing with puppies like Zak. They are usually dealing with big, aggressive, dominant adult dogs. A bark and growl won't work for these dogs. Has Prince gone too far at times? Sure he has. He's not perfect. He's a intact dominant male. But when he does go too far Joel steps in and tells him to back off. He's done that many times. He let's Prince know that he's being too much. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone needs corrections from time to time.
Did I let her go too far? What do you think?
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Hi Zak so I training my own service dog and I'm 13 so its tricky but, he does something where he will start whining and pulling to other dogs even if I tell him to leave it he doesn't even take treats during a dog present and I wanted to know how to teach him to ignore other dogs could you do a video on how I can solve this?
@@NeonAssassian This actually happened with my dog. He got much worse and became super reactive to dogs when not addressed. What works for me is when your dog first sees another dog, immediately say your marker word and reward the dog. If the dog doesn't take treats, either get higher value treats or back away until you find the spot your dog will take treats again. Make sure to be super chill and not get anxious because that contributed to making my dog reactive. No, I am not a dog trainer, but I am currently owner training my service dog and found this is what works. Keep the experience positive, and condition the dog to expect a reward as soon as it sees another dog. This way the dog will immediately pay attention to you. You can phase out treats later. Good luck in your training! 😃
@@ainsleythebunnylover9997 Ok thank you this should help yay I needed a service dog and my family couldn't afford one so I training him he is a 8m Belgian Malinois he has gone to many stores and public spaces for training but, he just is super dog relativity pulls towards them and starts whining so hopefully this helps!
Yes this has gone way too far this is animal abuse
@@JDCUK400 bro just stop ok everyone is just so rude and has to say mean comments service dogs.
The Real Force free training is don't train your dog at all.
I've noticed a trend of you pro-aversives people... You can't spell or use proper grammar.
This is so ridiculous... I have a Great Pyrenees that is incredibly well trained using only entirely force free and consent based training methods. Force free training is modern, science-backed, efficient dog training.
Nope, you didn't let her go "too far". That seemed a very appropriate interaction (if a little bit of a noisy one) between a young adult dog and a rambunctious puppy. Adults have every right to (and absolutely should) set boundaries with puppies. This provides valuable lessons for the puppy and teaches them more inhibited play and they learn that not every dog wants to be pounced on and not every dog wants to rough-house. These are lessons that adult dogs teach puppies that humans can't really teach. Humans can try, but I believe we fall very short of the adult dogs. Intervention is only needed when the adult correction gets out of hand and the puppy is in danger of being hurt. In my own experience (and others may have had a different experience), that's pretty rare. Most adults are pretty forgiving of puppies and will be very measured in setting boundaries with the pup. I've seldom seen a situation in which the adult was actually wanting to harm the puppy and even fewer where the adult actually did harm the puppy.
Zak George. We believe that the purpose of training is to serve dog kind. You however seem to regard training as some kind of dodge or hussy. Your theories are the worst kind of popular dripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor trainer Zack George. You have no place with this dog, or this field.
Agreed......
ARE YOU FOR REAL @ZAKGEORGE, DID I LET HER GO TO FAR? YOU ARE MEANT TO BE THE SO CALLED TRAINER, DON'T YOU KNOW 😂😂😂😂
Exactly. He doesn't know.
It's a title to make people click, don't you know how social media works? 🙄 Also, have you not progressed mentally passed childhood? Why do you need to yell to make your point?
He's also someone who likes to open for discussion and not act like a know it all. Goes to show your level of intellect if you think that acting like you know everything proves that you are intelligent. It is the opposite. People like you just project insecurity. Same with all these macho trainers. What a joke
Yet you continue to act like a know it all in every comment lol. Oh the hypocrisy of it. Gotta love these lonely, old, bitter Karens 😀😀😀.
I think they did great and didn’t need human intervention, in that instance.
I have a 10 month old gsd and I intervene when necessary, but I try and let my senior girl communicate freely with her. However, that’s because I know my senior will give fair “corrections” and not over correct or scare her. She’s very tolerant of her puppy ways, but will let her know when she has overstepped the boundaries.
If someone is unsure how one or both dogs may respond, I’d always say it’s better to be cautious and intervene too early, than potentially too late.
It’s fascinating that zak thinks species specific behavior is fundamentally different than trainer-dog interaction. If a dog nips another dog as a correction, that’s effective correction to convey dissatisfaction via minor inflicted negative outcome of discomfort, but I am curious WHY he thinks that somehow this flies out the window as effective if a trainer utilizes a leash pop, or uses a prong collar or an e collar to communicate a behavior is undesirable. Of course u need to build trust with your dog and not undermine it. But the dog can also be shown clearly what behavior is acceptable or not, with both positive reinforcement and as a last resort a negative correction.
Have you been paying attention or not?? Dogs were BRED to prioritise HUMAN command! It's literally how domestication works. Only the dogs who listened to humans were bred. Those dogs evolved to obey men for their survival. There is an unequal POWER DYNAMIC between human and dog! Good lord. If you consider yourself to be equal to a dog maybe you should start sleeping on the floor and eating dog food. You are not a dog. You cannot correct a dog the way a other dog would. It is similar to a parent - child dynamic. The parent has the upper hand. It's like kicking a child in response to them kicking you. Not goddamned OK. Are you people thick? It's fascinating how many mental gymnastics yall do just to justify mysogyny and toxic masculinity.
You seem to not understand what "positive" and "negative" mean in reference to dog training. They refer to the addition or subtraction of a stimulus. Corrections typically are positive (adding a stimulus) punishment (to discourage a behavior). The corrections you are referring to are considered "positive" because they are the addition of stimulus, they fall under the category of positive punishment. You should read a couple of books on the science of dog training and behavioral modification, especially if you want to seriously engage in these sorts of conversations. Karen Pryor's Don't Shoot The Dog, and Jean Donaldson's The Culture Clash are good places to start.
Regardless, communication between animals of the same species is not the same as communication between humans and animals. First of all, a dog is going to understand a correction from another dog in their own langauge much differently than they'll understand a correction from a human in the form of a leash pop. Secondly, unlike other dogs, we have access to more efficient and ethical forms of behavioral modification. If you turn to justifying doing things to animals because animals do it to each other, you'll quickly find yourself defending a lot of horrific things.
Hes a dog racist, hes afraid of pit bull dogs and shepherds just on breed.
@@elijah6852 you are correct . However my point is that introducing a negative stimulus that is timely and in line with the level of undesired behavior does not erode a dogs trust in a human if the human is also consistent and loving . If you yank at a collar and scream at your dog all the time and zap them, sure.
Personally I utilize the beep function on my dogs e collar. She gets so locked in on outside stimuli that it’s worked wonders grabbing her attention. Once I have her attention she listens beautifully. I would think that a simple tone noise on the e collar wouldn’t be considered “negative reinforcement” but who knows I’m no trainer. I just have found that’s what works best for us.
Yay, Veronica!!! She's learning to accept Shade and that is HUGE ☺️❤. So proud of her!
Have you heard of Robert Thynes dishing you and read his thesis "what-you-know-as-dog-training-is-a-mess-let-me-tell-you-why/
Veronica is such a human name to give to a dog😅
So you understand and accept a "correction" if administered by another dog as you see it a "clear communication", yet continue to demonise balanced trainers that advocate for similar communication principles in their methodology
Social interaction between members of the same species (in most cases force free as in this case) is completely different than putting a collar engineered to be painful around a dogs neck. It is a misrepresentation of social dynamics.
@@zakgeorge a correction is a correction, the level of that correction should be the minimal EFFECTIVE dose. Just the same as any quadrant when applied, what is the correct frequency and intensity that the quadrant needs to be applied to obtain the desired result.
You're smart enough to know that there are just as many types and levels of correction, much the same as reward, so please stop trying to misrepresent a correction as only ever being a higher scale of that quadrant. I am addressing you respectfully and acknowledging your knowledge, intelligence and skills, please don't insult mine by continuing to use false equivalence as a defence!
@@zakgeorgeso a bark and lunge is considered force free? I see a moving goalpost! 😂
@@zakgeorgeso barking and lunging at my dog when he is exhibiting unwanted behavior is considered ok to Zak George! Awesome!
@zakgeorge
Just another example of double standards and your manipulations on this channel.
Stress is good when it suits you, but it is not when it doesn't.
I love how Inertia also kinda stepped in to idk how to say, comfort the situation? ❤
What i think this is an extremely controlled environment with extremely tame, well socialized dogs, BUT, there are OTHER cases where powerful Full grown dogs are not socialized properly, and are out of control and when they are scared or not sure of a NEW situation with other UNKNOWN animals & people these dogs can be AGGRESSIVE AND DANGEROUS!!!!
Thats when REAL Dog Trainers are needed like DogDaddy, when gentle soft style trainers have failed & ppl are at their wit’s end & feeling desperate and like they have lost control of their own lives!!! I thank God for Dog Daddy !!!! He is patient & kind and never hurts a dog!! Only giving gentle corrections as the Little petite dog in your video here does!! These corrections let that puppy learn boundaries - but what if he went without any type of corrections at all for 2-3 even 5 years and slowly got worse and more aggressive?? Thats when I call Dog Daddy for help -AND NOT YOU!!! You should stop trying to block other people’s work!!! Don’t worry you will still have a career!! Leave him alone!!!!! Thank you
My 1 year old has started setting those boundaries too now 😊 It can really improve play if the message goes through 😂❤
No, you didn't let it go too far. And it looks to me that Shade understood Veronica didn't like it, while Veronica understood that she can just tell Shade off - and got a bit more confident.
Wit all respect. The question is: Did you let yourself go too far?
Well i think that's pretty obvious .....yes!!
Looked like a good learning experience for all. Need that in my house.
Lol my resting dog stood up and took notice of veronica too!!!!!!!!!!!
Zak this is not true.
You exposed the dog to something not needed you now have put a bad impression on the dogs mind of others dogs
My question is, what do you do when the puppy doesnt "get it". I had a senior dog continually try to explain to a larger puppy his ears werent play toys but it never got through. Neither dog was ever in danger and the worst that happened was yelling matches, but I'd love to know if there's anything more you can do to teach the puppy what "back off" really means
If you got real issues, your best bet is asking someone like Beckman
Veronica's no joke, love her!
I think you are amazing and I suggest your channel when I can. Keep doing what you’re doing ❤
“What do you guys think” I think your methods will need to change for this breed. You’re going to need to be more balanced. That’s what I think.
Was Veronica saying "no"? Your dog is using adversive methods.
Yet you will notice she behaved in a force free manner. When we talk about aaversive dog training concepts we are talking about administering premeditated pain and discomfort. It is disingenuous to equate species specific behavior with that of principles guided by the field of applied animal behavior.
@@zakgeorgeso what about Inertia in the previous video where she gave Shade a correction? She actually did nip Shade which would equate to it not being force free. Not only did she nip Shade, her doing so cause Shade to bang into the crate which can be seen from Shade as another correction. So are you saying those two corrections done by Inertia and Veronica are the same?
@@georgenakasone7613notice how he chose not to respond to this? I don’t think he will ever have a good answer when asked about a dog nipping another dog to “CORRECT” them. They are okay with dogs barking at each other as a form of correction so I am also very curious how this community feels about a nip correction, which is very common.
@@Hotdads1yeah I know he won't answer. I've asked him so many different questions in the past that he doesn't answer. It's so easy to corner these force free people because deep down they actually know the balanced approach is the best training method. For whatever reason, they are too soft to give the dog a correction. It hurts their feelings. So they choose to crucify those who are capable of doing it, even though they know that it's what the dog actually needs. Try looking at the conversation I had with someone else on another tread for this video. It's the one with 13 or 14 replies I believe. That person kept saying how I was being dishonest until I proved the only person who was being dishonest and disingenuous was him. If you get a chance to read through it, it's hilarious.
@@georgenakasone7613 the problem is that they definitely believe in what they’re saying because they have biased scientific studies to back up what they’re saying. Even PubMed admits that the studies that everyone in this community refers to never followed up with the welfare of the dogs post study and it was only testing the efficacy of methods not longevity. OBVIOUSLY when you are training new behaviors, positive reinforcement only is your best option. However, they only tested force free and only aversive training. They completely left out balanced training in the studies. IMAGINE THAT. You can’t beat your dog into learning something new nor should you ever even think that’s an effective way to train a dog. I agree that there are people that use tools to hurt and abuse dogs whether intentional or not but that is a very small minority. You can hurt a dog with a flat collar, a harness, your hands, and even your voice.
People like to do what makes THEM feel good and not what is best for their dog. It’s sad but it’s true.
Also, a lot of these studies come out of veterinary behavioral science fields where these people are not training dogs. They’re using their fee fee’s to determine how everyone else should handle their pets.
I think Veronica is doing just fine in making her opinions very clear, everyone’s on the same page no one’s bleeding it’s a good job no need for intervention.
Wow, its almost like corrections are part of dogs natural language :O
Maybe Cesar, Beckman and DD isnt so dumb after all? XD
I don't love zak George by any means and I am not against the use of punishment, however those trainers ARE awful and abusive.
Nothing wrong there.
@zakgeorge Doing a deep dive / speed-run through your incredible content. Any reason why puppy pads were prevalent for Inertia but not in the picture for Veronica and Shade?
ZACARIAH only has a PetSmart certificate. He claims he's an expert lol. Does not train in person, just makes videos for money. No testimonials of dogs he personally trained anywhere to be found either.
I let my animals work it out. But I have intervened when I am sure it will have a bad outcome.
Thanks for showing us this.
Meanwhile your puppy believes the other dogs are in charge...
Because they are, wow, wtg captain obvious.
My personal opinion from what you've shown...and to be fair it's only a snapshot...is that you give the puppy too much freedom and too much time out of the crate. Also seem to have the "let them work it out" mentality and you're moving too fast and not being fair to the older dogs. Again...could be totally wrong as I'm not at your house.
LMAO, good thing you don't claim to be another "pro" trainer. This is the way IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, mo.
How much time do you think a puppy should be in the crate? I believe (firmly) that crates should be used only when the puppy can't be supervised and should never be used as a punishment or as a "baby sitter". If I'm able to supervise, I would never put the puppy in a crate. Obviously, there are times when putting the puppy in the crate is necessary (we had a refrigerator delivered; our puppy was in his crate when the door was being opened, people were carrying a heavy and bulky object around--a puppy running underfoot was NOT a good idea and my mind was on the refrigerator, not the puppy at that moment.) If I feel the adult dog needs a break from the puppy, I distract the puppy with a play session with me, a lick mat, or other object (not just stick the puppy in a crate to get him or her out of my hair).
@@radicalreactions1633so says you. This is not how to do it imo.
@@janhankins911I crate my puppies most of the time. They are out to potty. Out to train. Out to play...but just with me. I keep the crate where I'm going to be and so they are wirh the family. I do this for nearly the entire first year.
@@RyanRoberson-gc1op Dogs were not meant to be in the crate "most of the time". I'm sorry, but that is misuse of the crate. How can you establish a relationship with your puppy if they're in the crate most of the time? In addition, keeping a dog in a crate 'most of the time' can lead to severe problem behaviors, including compulsive behaviors, excessive barking, and crippling anxiety. No, dogs (and puppies) were not meant to be crated "most of the time". That's abuse of the crate. And, in my own opinion, abuse of the puppy.
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@@misscrankypantss nope looking at you!
Nothing wrong. Infact, you did the right thing. But I think you're a hypocrite for going against balanced training methods and the use of corrections and now you're allowing your own dogs to make corrections and saying its okay. Whenever you had all your fanboys and girls talking bad about trainers like Joel Beckmen and his use of his dog Prince to make corrections to other dogs, you didn't say anything. All you did was say how he was part of the problem. Whether you believe he's part of the problem, why can't you side with him for what you believe he's doing right? And now all your fanboys and girls who were against Beckman can't say how you're wrong because they don't want to go against you. I wish all you force free community can just call things the way they are instead of putting your ideology forefront instead of the actual dogs who end up suffering because of it.
This.
What you are conveniently ignoring is that Prince is much more violent in his interactions - he's a bully.
Someone telling you to stop being rude, versus someone bullying you. Are they really the same?
@@alexsarbu3978what you're ignoring is the fact that Prince will match the other dogs energy. He will go as far as he needs to. In this video with Veronica giving a correction and the prior video of Inertia giving a correction, do you honestly think there wouldn't have been a physical correction if Shade didn't back off right away or if he kept on doing the same thing even after the first correction? Its funny how the force free community keeps on moving the goal post.
@@georgenakasone7613 Oh, using twisted, dishonest language to ill-describe what is happening. Prince is an out of control bully. Veronica is a good girl. The difference is in their upbringing, Prince was abused by an idiot. And, very important, Prince doesn't give warning signals.
I've seen Prince attacking dogs without good reason. The simple fact that the idiot has so many videos and is so proud of Prince attacking other dogs is a huge red flag...
As for Zak's Veronica and Shade, that's what good upbringing results in: Veronica tells Shade to back off, Shade backed off, and Veronica was happy. There was no escalation, and it's stupid to play your "what if" games.
@@alexsarbu3978 a correction isn't a warning. It's a correction. What Veronica and Inertia did wasn't a warning. It was a correction. Sure there's different levels of correction. The difference between the correction that you saw Veronica and Inertia give versus what Prince gives is the other dogs. Beckman and Prince ain't dealing with puppies like Zak. They are usually dealing with big, aggressive, dominant adult dogs. A bark and growl won't work for these dogs. Has Prince gone too far at times? Sure he has. He's not perfect. He's a intact dominant male. But when he does go too far Joel steps in and tells him to back off. He's done that many times. He let's Prince know that he's being too much. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone needs corrections from time to time.