How Authoritarianism Spread And The U.S. Faltered As A Model For Democracy
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2021
- Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security advisor to President Obama, talks with Rachel Maddow about his new book, "After the Fall, Being American in the World We've Made," and why the U.S. and other democracies have seen a drift toward authoritarianism, and what can be done about it.
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"If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other."
-- General Ulysses S Grant
Trash talking squatters. 😂
@David J Wow!😲😲 Grant was extremely prescient with that, wasn't he? He nailed that one completely!!!
On the money on this one...
Maga consider Fair election as fake news , but consider the following not fake.
1. Dead dictator rigging election
2. Hillary as a baby eating reptilian
3. Jewish space lasers..
@@vincentramirez6967 It truly boggles the mind what people will believe seemingly just bc someone else said it.🤯 They put absolutely none of their own reasoning or rational thought processes into these insane ideas and are just like, "Uh, sure. Whatever you say...Dead dictator rigging an election, OF COURSE he did bc he's NOT really dead, he's with JFK and God-willing 🤞🙏Elvis🙏🤞! And Jewish space lasers, is SO TRUE bc, uh, Jewish! I mean, Duh! And NO MASKS WHATSOEVER bc they DEFINITELY DON'T WORK but if you're around a vaxxed person, then ABSOLUTELY wear a mask to protect yourself from the vaxxed person's vaccinated cells! That mask will save your life!!! Etc., irrational etc., idiotic etc., more stupid, illogical etc., etc." It's truly INSANITY! Think for yourselves, y'all!! Does this stuff REALLY ring true to them?? Howwww?!!?
I'm astonished and truly horrified that the MAJORITY of Republicans think the BIGLY 🍊Orange🍊 One is still the President!😳😱 C'mon people! Seriously?!?! WTAF!!🤦♀️🤦♀️
We REALLY need better education for everyone that teaches how to think rationally, critically, and to ALWAYS question things. Plus, free healthcare or at bare minimum, free mental health! We are overrun with uneducated, gullible folks and are in crisis over people having access to mental health WITHOUT stigma of seeking help! Mental health should be promoted and shown for the positive process it is...it's NOT a weakness!
And even more, we MUST REMOVE ALL of the divisive, lying propagandized media ONLY out to get ratings, the corrupt politicians and corporations that buy them off and then are beholden to those corps to do their biddings. The whole system is FUBAR!😫
I truly AM afraid at this point for our Country and its people. Feeling pretty hopeless and helpless at this point. 😔
TYSVM for listening! I'm just so upsetted and despondent and need to talk to people who can critically think!
PLEASE respond/comment back if you have ANY understanding about this that I don't, words of encouragement, or ideas of a gameplan to help...anything!
Take care and be safe!!
✌♥️🌎
@@ellec7276 Really nothing you can do or say to change their mind.. Trying to convince them will just be akin to trying to convince a child that there are no monsters under the bed..
So, I usually just try fact check them...
Like how they keep mentioning Democrat are all Pedophiles...
Well ; 15 Republicans were arrested for pedophilia who held office from 2015-2020 .. Including Nader, an advisor and close friend of Trump, for trying to uber a 13 year old boy from another country...
This one is great... Theres a Dr , who they call respectable source of vaccine information... Dr. Baker the Chiropractor...LOL.
Who said that people who recieved the vaccine go through shedding..
Well, any women/girls around that person would be affected.. Causing abnormal menstrual cycle and or birth defect... Mind you, this is coming from a Chiropractor.. Same level if Dr. Dre ever gives medical advice..
I don't try to convince them... It just doesn't work. I try to fact check them. But, if that doesn't work..... lol.
I do end up trolling them instead.. Cause it makes more sense to make fun of their science fiction "facts"..😭
It looks to me like we are 90% down the road to the fall, and I don't see anyone fighting hard enough for it to be stopped.
@ Daniel Kruger
"We don't see anyone fighting hard enough"
The question is are YOU willing to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights and go into harms way to defend our Country and our DEMOCRACY Mr. Kruger?
The only thing evil needs to succeed is for good people to stand by and do nothing. 💙🇺🇸
@@geoben1810 So your first reaction to the word "fight" is to imply that Americans should take up arms and murder fellow Americans. It seems you have forgotten that the U.S.A. is a nation of laws, not of mob violence. Two of my best friends are ardent supporters of the current GOP. It causes stress on our friendship, should I set them straight by drawing down a bead on them?
@@geoben1810 As a foreigner, I’d suggest that the first thing that should be done is push your representatives to stand up to this, which they aren’t doing enough or at all? Why immediately resort to violent means when you just have a bunch of politicians, military and enablers (Sidney Powell or Tucker Carlson, for instance) who should be called out and held accountable, but really accountable?
The democrats should call out all those Republicans in the Houses for enabling and supporting Trump and all those still pushing the lie of a stolen election and wishing to reinstate the former guy. The Dems are much too soft.
Someone like Michael Flynn should be arrested by the FBI for inciting a military coup and so should Gaetz and Greene for inciting a civil war. I’d say enough is enough, but not necessarily by taking up arms.
Stay safe.
@@geoben1810 So in your quotations, the so-called “good people” are currently, first and foremost the Republicans, and secondly the democrats, who are still holding their punches, which is incredible.
@@geoben1810 your last sentence has some truth to it, but I sure hope that it doesn't need to start out the way you have. There are a lot of things that you can do before this. We have a 2022 election coming up. This is where we everyone needs to go out and vote these fools out of power. But before that, now, donate to a boots on the ground cause like what they did in Georgia. These are the first steps...
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -Issac Asimov
@Google User Yes.. well said!🤯😳😤
Manifest Destiny. The late 18th-century notion that the United States is blessed by God certainly went far in justifying the enslavement of African people and the genocide of Indigenous groups. But, it required rejection of critical thinking, a liberal and free education and a hefty dose of entitlement (hi, God). This is what we are seeing in Republican states as they attempt to censor critical race theory and social justice studies, a cult of ignorance.
The US can afford to be anti-intellectual because they have so much good farmland and amazing natural defenses.
They don't need to be smart to be rich and powerful.
@@groaningmole4338 Yeah, without science and medicine your farms won't produce poop these days. Without science and it's engineers the military is nothing in these times...so your comment makes no sense.
@@Raydensheraj What I mean is that anti-intellectualism in the general public doesn't hurt them as much as it would in other countries.
Standing up for democracy is standing up for America
If America falters, there will still be many standing for democracy.
Standing for America is standing for democracy...but democracy is bigger than the US
@@yt.personal.identification 10-4 ... Well said
Liberal democracy and the separation of state and church/ Freedom of speech, religion, press etc. are the DNA of America. You destroy them...you destroy what it means to be American.
The Neo confederate Christian Nationalist TrumpliKKKclans are as Unamerican as it gets. FACT.
America is not a Democracy, never was, and was designed to never be one. Unless you like having all your rights violated the moment you fall out of the 51%.
@@Metatarsus0 I did not say that America was a Democracy... Do you have any questions about America???
The United States has long had a problem with anti-intellectualism. To be the best we have to aspire to be intellectuals not brutes.
You can blame Republicans and their desire for power for that. They brought the "moral majority" in and corrupted American politics by adding religion into the mix.
@@lunarwuffy5299 ironic.
I live in a democracy. I don’t consider the US to be a democracy. A democracy has systems that ensure that all eligible people are given every opportunity to vote.. The US has never done this. Now one major party openly opposes this concept. In a democracy this party would have no possibility of being elected to govern. Again, not the case in the US.
GLR B - I was amazed as I saw for the first time that voter suppression (through all kind of laws) was a normality in the US
Where do you live? ...if you don’t mind my question. Just curious.
@@bgs03548 I live in Australia. We have our own issues and I am not for one minute suggesting everything is perfect. I am just truly stunned by the overt suppression of democratic principles in a country that continues to truly believe it is a democracy.
@@TorianTammas it is truly stunning!
I live in United States and I don't live in a democracy, I live in a constitutional republic. Stop criticizing what you don't understand.
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" ~ Walt Kelly
"The secret of freedom is educating the people, whereas the secret of tyranny is keeping them ignorant." ~ Robespierre
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” ~ Voltaire
"There can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet." ~Abraham Lincoln
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." ~ Charles Bukowski
"Everybody has a right to their opinion, but nobody has a right to be wrong in their facts." ~ Bernard Baruch, quoted in 1946 AP article.
“It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.”
~ Mark Twain
“It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have.” ~ James A. Baldwin
"When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent." ~ Isaac Asimov
“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” ~ Ulysses S. Grant, 1875
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” ~ Typically misattributed to Sinclair Lewis, the original source of this quote is unknown, but likely derived from labor activist Eugene V. Debs 1917 quote, "Every robber or oppressor in history has wrapped himself in a cloak of patriotism or religion, or both."
Before World War II, Charles Lindbergh typified American heroism with his daring flights, including the first solo transatlantic flight, and his celebration of new technology. He parlayed his fame and heroic stature into a leading role in the America First movement, which opposed America’s entrance into the war against Nazi Germany. In 1939, in an essay entitled “Aviation, Geography, and Race,” published in that most American of journals, Reader’s Digest, Lindbergh embraced something close to Nazism for America:
"It is time to turn from our quarrels and to build our White ramparts again. This alliance with foreign races means nothing but death to us. It is our turn to guard our heritage from Mongol and Persian and Moor, before we become engulfed in a limitless foreign sea."
The America First movement was the public face of pro-fascist sentiment in the United States at that time. In the twenties and thirties, many Americans shared Lindbergh’s views against immigration, especially by non-Europeans. The Immigration Act of 1924 strictly limited immigration into the country, and it was specifically intended to restrict the immigration of both nonwhites and Jews.
Once again, nationalism, aka fascism, has risen its ugly head in America, in European nations, and in some other countries around the world. The fight of good people against ignorance, the fears that sprout from it, the hate which then blossoms, culminating in the bitter toxic fruit of evil, senseless brutalities and deaths, is a constant, never-ending battle we fear, but it is a battle from which we must never shrink.
In this era, the likes of Toxic Trump and Marginalized Greene have become the face of the new "America First" fascist movement built up over the last four decades by the GOP, Reich-wing plutocrats, demagogues, and media. But, as with Lindbergh, the American people gradually come to recognize their dysfunctional poison and reject it. Most Americans understand, accept, and appreciate that the enduring strength of America is that we are a nation of immigrants and multiculturalism, a "melting pot" where the best ideas rise to the top, and superficial differences are meaningless in the face of our common humanity and purpose. Most Americans want competent leaders who speak truth, who strive to unite, who are not corrupt, who care about them. So, it should come as no surprise that President Biden is already receiving high marks from the public, while Toxic Trump never managed to rise above even a 50% approval rating. To conclude where begun, the following quotes are submitted for further reflection:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
"History doesn't repeat itself. But it does rhyme. ~ Mark Twain
"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley
"If men could learn from history, what lessons it might teach us! But passion and party blind our eyes, and the light which experience gives us is a lantern on the stern which shines only on the waves behind." ~ Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Great collection of quotes!
There is no doubt about majoritarian support for liberal democracy in the long-term. The profound risk is sufficient support in the medium term for institutional capture that leads to institutional failure. By capturing the media, courts, legislatures, executive, universities, administrative and defence architecture etc, and either undermining their role as beachhead or inverting their function to subvert, distort, diminish, or denying democratic practice they amplify and extend their reach while limiting opponents. The weakness is that so much relies on norms that are fragile, as people can be swayed when vulnerable. Whatever moves might be made against democracy, don’t look away, don’t assume it’s an exception, call it what it is, always defend those weaker and different from yourself, don’t give an inch, don’t be afraid, and don’t forget you always have an army of regular people behind you who will never give up.
@Joe Liedin The point you have to prove is , do you feel lucky? Do you really feel lucky?
@Joe Liedin "Liedin" -- what an appropriate name
And all you control freak leftist are guilty of. I swear you people act innocent while doing exactly what you accuse the other side of. Making you hypocrites as well. I'm going to pray for you people. You need it
I listen to Ben Rhodes every week on "Pod Save the World". A sliver of sanity in an insane world.
Leftist playbook strategy: accuse your enemies of the evil _you_ are doing.
That accuse bit applies more to Trumplicans than dems. It's uncanny how well. But I think the reason is that Trump supporters are too proud to acknowledge that they are in a bubble. Pride is not a virtue people.
@@brettgbarnes deep down you can’t believe that even if your bias clearly the convo isn’t about made up crimes on left it’s real cause and effect actions taking by the right to crush our democracy every which way from the media to the republicans leaders calling for violence down to the voters STILL making death threats to lawmakers so u can pretend all u want to justify being on traiters team but reality is country perhaps the world be better off republicans vanish go to Antarctica since clearly they don’t like the rules and the change that’s happening
@@brettgbarnes I see you made time from munching on Trump's junk to leave a comment.
@@brettgbarnes lmao that's what the right wing does all the time, much more than dems.
As someone who lives outside the United States, what glaringly lacks is a social programming. If America truly wants to squish the radical appeal, it really needs to introduce universal health Care, affordable medications, strong and affordable education etc etc... Otherwise a 'me first' societal social contract will thrive which in itself is very vulnerable to nationalistic and authoritarian appeals...
Hard to do when racists and repukingtons reject democratic socialism.
Oh we have a "social programming." Think high school homecoming.
Beautifully put.
America in the eyes of the world has fallen deep, very deep during the past 4 years
This is very true. In my country all people, even media and politisiens are laughing at amerika for the last 4 months.
Way longer . dragging and misleading NATO to bs wars . like the Iraq one .
Sadly true it became a idiocrazy ... few years ago it was just a movie now it's reality
Been snoozing since decades but Americans are creative and resourceful, they will find a way out of this mess 💢👊🏼🔥
@@KenshoBeats we can hope
The anti-authoritarian playbook needs to be better than sending me texts and emails all day asking me for money.
Your own engagement in the political world around you needs to be more than 'in what way has [x] group contacted me today?'
That was an amazing and absolutely horrifying interview, thank you so much Rachel and Ben🙏🏻
Much of it is actually coming from the US, even before Trump.
I don't need to read the book to agree with Ben Rhodes. I already know he's right. It so much worse than so many of us realize or even want to think about.
Maybe you should read some books because you don't know anything, you side with the very people that hate you and this nation as a whole, silly girl.
And who do you side with?
@@FlameKing91 I don't side with the Republicans, or whatever passes for the Republican Party these days!
Maybe YOU should read some books, because YOU obviously would prefer to live in an authoritarian state than in our Democratic nation. Anyone claiming the election was rigged, promotes voter suppression bills and wants to do away with common sense gun laws is no patriotic American, but is someone actively trying to subvert the very foundations of this country.
Trying to say I side with the people that hate me and this country.... seriously! Give me a break! I side with those trying to save it from the minority that's been trying to install a dictator instead of a duly elected president! 82+ million of us can't be wrong.
Hungary, China, Russia, et cetera did the same as Hitler did.
And Trump
So did trump SILVER TONGUE and all.
@Joe Liedin t'Rump lied over 30,000 times. What has Joe lied about?
@@MeanGeneSanDiego Wrong question. All politicians lie. But 30,000...
@Joe Liedin What are Biden and "the Left" doing now? They're definitely NOT engaging in the Fascist anti-American behavior that Trump and Republicans have engaged for the past four years.
Your new UA-cam account tells us that you're a turd. So I'll put this in terms that even you should understand.
Trump lost. Get over it. Womp womp.
2022 is the most important election of our generation the time to throw these autharions out is now locally and nationally
Its uncanny how identical the situation is/was to Hungary
Correct. We need the U.S. and it is failing us. The EU, plus their regional partners, is not perfect (breaking away one member allows to veto almost everything important and Russia has Orban, parts of Poland's government are insane [not as much as the U.S. but...]) and therefore can not defend modern democracy alone (all others are to small to stand alone for sure).
I agree with you. Be well and safe
democracy bad, and america should have never become one. Repeal the 17th amendment
Poland is great.
@@Kenfren OK Napoleon, calm down and while you’re at it stop playing with your nipple on the quiet. 😑
Why would anyone want to be associated with America? That's the same country that profits from the genocide in Yemen and invaded the middle east to control its oil. Anyone with half a brain will dump the hypocrites. Americans make all democracies look like dictators.
that painful smile from Rachel at the end ...
Watching from Canada and without a cable TV subscription, this is where I get my U.S. news. On my very first day of Grade 1, I'm sure my grandfather didn't expect me to stand up when the teacher asked if there were any questions and I nervously asked if she'd be teaching about Fascism in Grade 1. When she doubled over with laughter, I doubted I had done a smart thing, but she quickly regained her composure saying that my question was the best she'd ever been asked. "There is hope for civilization." After hearing of my escapade, my grandfather couldn't stop smiling for a week, even in his sleep. He always said it could happen here, just as it happened when he was driven from his family farm near Odessa, ending up on a wheat farm near Eatonia Saskatchewan.
For god's sake, don't get your US news from here. She is the worst of the worst.
@@randybobandy6522 Just be careful you don't injure yourself, swinging all those superlatives up in the air. And since there is no longer a God, you'll have to find a more up-to-date writer to tidy up your throw away opening lines.
@@theremixproject907 So really you are just a troll. And a loser. Congrats.
@@randybobandy6522 My reaction was based on your need to chastise me for finding value in the MSNBC news organization and your sense of entitlement to offer me an unnecessary derogatory review of one of their employees. And by the way, the title of Troll usually goes to individuals who are parked on a channel's content and are noticeably spewing negative comments about that channel and are attempting to incite channel regulars into angry arguments. It's good to see the Republicans actually DO have a game plan. Disrupt, deny and denounce. And don't go easy on the name calling. I've heard that You-Tube is aware.
It's all about accumulation of wealth. These countries saw how the Saudi royalty and Putin have accumulated so much wealth and power in such as short time that they had to follow. Brazil, India, Turkey, former Warsaw Pact countries, and then Trump
I see that as the real cause DT ever ran to start with. Monarchy money is what drives mr loose screw. Apparently the other enablers are bought, blackmailed or threatened to cooperate. The base is mind controlled by black magic. Read Henry Makou’s article....the world is run by black magic’ on Veterans Today site.
Trump had plenty of authoritarian leaders to mimic. In 2016, many Americans got fooled by his rhetoric. In 2020, many Americans embraced his rhetoric. If we fall, it will be our own fault.
If it were only that simple. The resident oligarchs and plutocrats, many of whom are ambivalent, require a personality to convince citizens they‘re in eminent danger of being overrun by foreign invaders. After that it’s just a matter of collecting recurring monthly subscriber income. It’s a scam that happens everyday from insurance to religious cults.
Only in the minds of Americans was it ever a 'model of Democracy'.
True. By international standards, the USA has had a a flawed democracy and a flawed rule of law for decades.
doesnt mean someone like trump should be in control ever again
We've never been perfect but at least we tried. That's more than most countries can say. It's the worst places that always mock us for hypocrisy. Your opinion just isn't worth much, T Electronix.
@@MarcF.Nielssen Fine, point taken. Please name a few democracies that do NOT have flaws. Well? We're waiting.
Actually, no. We've always been accutely aware of our short-comings. It has always been those on the outside who want more than anything to be American that create and perpetuate the myths. And compared to the places they flee, America IS that mythical place. Don't judge our people by the actions of our politicians. Most of us are just trying to live full, rich, and rewarding lives. Unfortunately, not enough of us have resisted the pull into self-interested isolationism and exploitation. Most of us don't buy into the meritocratic propaganda and recognize the gross hypocrisy of our system. But you know what? We weren't always this way and we will not remain so. The oligarchs cannot continue to rule in the absence of a willing population. The uneducated and easily indoctrinated make up the pool of voters rallying behind the autocratic, nationalist cult of personality. Eventually, they'll Darwin out of the game and we'll be back on solid ground. Patience. Democracy will prevail.
The US has never been a great model for democracy. Your electoral system makes sure of that. But the behaviour of American policies for years has always had been steered by a moral compass. But that is no longer the case. Corporate donations are no longer a crime. Legalised bribery.
Thank SCOTUS for that, who allowed Citizens United.
The electoral college makes a lot more sense when you look at the U.S. as a united "federation" of small independent states. I'm not arguing whether that's a better or worse way to run the country, but the reality is that the federal government is more powerful than ever which enables the nation to compete more effectively at a global level. And while I disagree with the Citizens United argument that money = free speech, the unfortunate reality is that there will always be illicit "dark money" especially with the evolution of new technology and cryptocurrency.
Our rhetoric has been, I don't think our actions have been. Time and Time again are actions have been governed by what is best for American corporations, just wrapped in a warm and fuzzy message.
APPROVED BY OUR SUPREME COURT LED BY JOHN ROBERTS!
We have Pioneer’s Remorse. Other countries can learn from our constitutional mistakes. We’re stuck.
So we know what it is, and we watch it happen. The beginning of the end.
Scary isn't it.
BEN RHODES : Well said. ♾🇺🇸♾🇺🇸♾
We are for sure are on our way to being an authoritarian nation. We are in so much trouble.
So who did you vote for in 2020 to help save us from authoritarianism?
@@abstractioner3071 since you're asking, you first. Who did you vote for?
@@abstractioner3071 and if you voted Trump I got some bad news. You're part of the problem lol
So guys, did y'all vote for Biden or what?
@@abstractioner3071 you didn't answer first. Who did you vote for?
Thanks for your coverage of the corrupt reasoning leading to autocratic rule.
I've been alive and paying attention to the world since the beginning of the 70s. Any American who thought the US has been a "model for democracy" during that period must have been ignorant of how the other developed democracies worked.
Fact of the matter is, democracy never was necessarily the most desired or stable form of government in any given society. I don’t think enough Americans understand this. There’s a reason why monarchies lasted for centuries but most democracies are relatively recent, and many were short lived. The US had been more of an exception in history than the rule. The Greeks and Romans are considered to be the great forefathers of democracy, but even they fell back into having emperors before long.
That's true but monarchies would turn into something that you would not desire if you look at the British Empire that conquered the entire planet to bring Civilisation. If we wouldn't have evolved by innovations and stuck pre first steam engine they probably still rule the world.
I know that invading and using violence and oppression is an issue of mankind and not a British phenomenon. The Empire just did the best job.
🤔A party of less government involvement, they are adopting an authorian stance. Great job GOP. 😒
I would call the fascist left state sponsored media junkies more authoritarian.
@@user-dy9ux5dc6e I mean...you have to be extremely, extremely left to be on the same page as other fascists who are right wing.....I...do you understand the political spectrum?
@@user-dy9ux5dc6e how many times do you Rightists have to be told, fascism is a far right ideology.
@@user-dy9ux5dc6e Except that it's the right wing that's fascist. That's literally a requirement.
@@AdamBladeTaylor I'm not calling you fascist for embracing state sponsored media. I see you more as politically "non-binary". Just mindless extremists on all fronts.
Been saying this for a couple of years.
I don't think one can understand the development of authoritarianism in the U.S. during the last 30 years without taking a good hard look at authoritarianism in the U.S. BEFORE that. To my mind, it's always been more or less the same - see Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon ad nauseam - the media have only made it more evident.
Most of the problems could be solved if you get american youth to take school serious again. Maybe as adults they will be able to understand how science works, how you recognize it that you might be wrong or how they can easily debunk weird stuff on the net and not follow it blindly.
And most important of all, they would be able to recognize it, if a child comes completely unprepared for each test and tries to slip through it by being extremely vague, while bullying everyone who might expose its complete lack of knowledge... around a third of the US is already not able to do so.
There is hope.."For a righteous person falls seven times, and rises again, but the wicked stumble in time of disaster." Proverbs 24:16
Religion is at the core of our problem. Please keep it to yourself
@@Ender7j That was your takeaway from Bertha Bridge's comment? Wow.
@@djo9c1 explain yours then
@@Ender7j Have hope that evildoers ultimately will not prevail.
@@djo9c1 I’d prefer action over hope or prayer
The United States ceased to be "a model" for democracy at least half a century ago, well surpassed by other, less corrupt, less deeply flawed, more functional, more _citizens'_ right and interests driven democracies.
Where did all of the Nazis go after WW2 ? Did they stay in touch with each other ?
Did they have a playbook in common ?
Just askin’
🤔
*Thanks Rachel! Great conversation with Ben Rhodes! Ben saying that the youth today taking up the cause is encouraging and needs more highlighting by the media me thinks!*
Suddenly, half of the Americans in this country want to be told what to do. They had an orange President that was more than happy to do it.
As political commentator and former Republican presidential advisor Mark McKinnon so aptly put it recently, "The Republican party is at dysfunction junction." May disagree with conservative ideology and with their stances on many issues, but do value and respect LOYAL opposition--a duty that the GOP has for too long forgotten and abdicated, putting personal and party interests before country. That is not only harmful to their party, it is harmful to our democracy and institutions. And it has come to represent a clear a present danger to our nation, a serious threat to our very security.
All of this is mentioned because it is firmly believed that this is not a time for diplomatic, soft-spoken words. This is not a time to be timid or Pollyannaish about our current political landscape, but a time for frankness, a time for acknowledgment of defects, a time for courageously confronting stark unpleasant realities. Our democracy is a fragile construct, only as sturdy, vibrant, and enduring as we maintain it, requiring constant vigilance and due diligence. Just as we don't forget Pearl Harbor, or 9/11, even more so the attack against our nation's Capitol on January 6, 2021 by fascist Reich-wing domestic terrorists incited to insurrection by a deranged President against his own government must never be forgotten or forgiven.
Thus, we MUST condemn both cowardly, corrupt Republican so-called "leaders" defying truth, justice, duty, democracy, and Constitution--and their dysfunctional political party that behaves as a cult--in the strongest possible terms, using the most muscular language that can be mustered. For it is necessary; the very fate of our nation depends upon it. Disaster was narrowly averted with the defeat of Trump, with Democratic control of the House and Senate, but the battle for the soul of this nation is far from over, and we must never again allow ourselves to become complacent. And so it is vitally imperative that we remind each other of this, that we impress these things upon our children and fellow citizens of this nation.
"Call this civic barbarism. Instead of promoting the values of responsible citizenship, Trump, Republican leadership, and their media enablers have elevated and blessed the very worst among us. They are making many Americans less suited for self-government and more dangerous to their neighbors. And they are doing so for the reason some of the Founders most feared: To lead the mob against true democracy."
~ Michael Gerson, from _'Trumpism is American Fascism'
How is it possible that this playbook is played in the US and the leaders of the minority embrace this book. Why, How and Who.
Rachel, why can't you just use the word, "fascism"?
Because it sounds inflammatory in the eyes of Americans, Faschism is so inherently negative that even if it’s accurate it sounds inflammatory.
Make no mistake, it is absolutely fascist
When was AMerica ever a model for anything? We should stop lying to ourselves. America has never had a good day.
Honestly all our "Achievements" have been behind everyone elses, i dont know why we consider ourselves remarkable,
Democracy? greeks did it first, the French refined it,
Equal rights? Pretty much all of Europe did it first, the US was always 50-100 years behind. I mean ALL of the european powers where desegregated in WW1 and WW2, the US dident figure that out until 1968.
Whats special? it just seems like we keep underpreforming but just have an impressive propaganda department
Another example of Americans dissing their own country meanwhile kids abroad like me who would do anything to be a citizen of the greatest country.
There is a saying in my village that the real winner is the loser because they are the only one who know the actual value of winning.
6 June 1944, for example, and many others......bad ones also, but let’s not deny the positive things that have happened....
@@angadgulati3146 no one wants to come to america its 2021 dude. europe has european union passports. stop lying.
@@therideneverends1697 Greek democracy was an abject failure and no refinement can fix it. America is unique in our implementation of liberty-oriented governance and culture. Our industry, inventions, and innovations absolutely exploded in the late 1800s and shocked the entire world--it's somehow managed to continue well into the present. I'm sorry you were fed only the most pessimistic views and distortions of our country by "educators" who consistently reveal themselves to be collectivist, activist garbage.
Incidentally, the decline we're experiencing is directly related to them and all other leftist/"progressive" policies implemented over the last 100 years. If it's unimpressive now, it's because of the people currently disparaging its legacy and routinely violating the rights of its citizens.
Thank you, Ben Rhodes, for courageously speaking out against America's slide toward authoritarianism. It is very frightening to see one's family and friends blindly support an authoritarian wannabe. Your efforts to save us are appreciated. We need people like you to continue to speak up. I will be reading your book.
Really? You just voted for a man which is throwing the DOJ at his political opponent AND his lawyers. You are an authoritarian. Only you won’t realize it until your conservative neighbors are loaded up on busses.
American Flags flying in Hong Kong v Confederate Flags flying during the Domestic Terrorist Attack on the Capital Building in the United States of America on January 6th 2021.
D = Forward
R = Reverse
You do know that the Hong Kong protestors were pleading for help from Trump right? You'll never see them ask from Biden. Search it in UA-cam, you'll see the videos.
Curiously enough the "anti-corruption" mantra is also used by fascists as a recruitment tool, which leads me to believe that the only potential solution for this lies in good education and fair resource distribution.
And dead republicans
Glad to see and hear Rachel Maddow on UA-cam after long time
Welcome back.
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How does the human body manage to survive without the use of BRAIN CELLS 🤔
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Seeing the reaction of Rachel speak for itself ! America is facing the most important challenge of it’s history !
Thank you Rachel! You have gone above and beyond to protect the USA with your platform. Our country needs more heroes like you right now.
Rachel Sadcow is a liar.
The title of this video implies that the rest of the world has looked to the USA as a model for democracy. That hasn't been the case for a long time. Maybe American viewers here can explain this to us foreigners?
The United States is the 25th among all “democracies” in the world. It’s a “flawed one”, with its basis of being so low due to the republic, the electoral system benefitting some states (primarily Republicans) and wavering true democracy.
It’s a mistake 250 years in the making,..
Thanks, Rachel! Thanks, Ben! 💜
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Ben Rhodes is awesome! I trust his knowledge and his perspective, though it frightens me sometimes.
Going to get his book today.
Hahahahah imagine thinking someone who is on camera bragging about lying to you is trustworthy 😂😂😂 you know what they say. A sucker is born every minute
Incredible to witness this nation that claims to be the 'greatest democracy in the world' be so fuct up when it comes to the basic implementation of democracy 🤣
The notion that America was ever a "model for democracy" is laughable. When was this period exactly??
5 years ago when Obama was president!
That was when America had a balanced political spectrum, campaigning didn't cost billions, when there was no gerrymandering, no voter suppression or voter intimidation, no electoral college and when voting was made as easy as possible for everybody. Oh, wait...
Never
Alexid Navalny has balls of steel. Free Navalny now !
How can we not stand up for democracy?!!!
"Our Founders, when they wrote the Constitution, they suspected that there could be a rogue president. I don't think they suspected that we could have a rogue president and a rogue leader in the Senate at the same time." - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Did they suspect that the slaves they owned would ever get their freedom and the right to vote?
@@panchopuskas1 Yes because many of them acknowledged slavery as a moral wrong inconsistent with principles of liberty in their various letters and writings during their lifetimes. You can go read them for yourself.
@@panchopuskas1 They might be surprised as their wife are allowed to vote Today.
This didn't happen overnight: America's descent began when President Reagan got in office........Trump is just the "period" on a sentence that began 30 years ago........🤔
Exactly. Reagonite Stooges and McCarthyism type traitors and Christian Dominionists since JFK got murdered have been destroying our country for years...MAGA is their masterpiece.
Strongly disagree. We are dealing with a whole different animal in Trump. This man is not a patriot nor a true believer in our democratic republic. He is all about personal power.
I don't have a lot money to purchase since I am on an extremely low budget. But I will be looking for it in the library. Thanks Rachel Maddow!!! This is one that I must go looking for in the library so I can read it too.
Read Authoritarian Nightmare by John Dean and Glen Altemyer. They look deeply into the psychology of those who follow authoritarians.
Jezus that’s exactly what The Republicans and Trump did!
t Can’t Happen Here,” which came out in 1935, was a frightening book written for frightening times. Sinclair Lewis published the novel as Adolf Hitler was making Germany great again ...so what about the USA ????? It is happening in the USA !!!!!! 1) “I am convinced that everything that is worth while in the world has been accomplished by the free, inquiring, critical spirit, and that the preservation of this spirit is more important than any social system whatsoever. But the men of ritual and the men of barbarism are capable of shutting up the men of science and silencing them forever.” ....... 2) “Every man is a king so long as he has someone to look down on.”......3) “He loved the people just as much as he feared and detested persons.” ..........4) A country that tolerates evil means-evil manners, standards of ethics-for a generation, will be so poisoned that it never will have any good end.” .......5)
America have relinquish that role. We are no different from those dead great nations of past. We are gasping in our death throes and our killer is ourselves.
The problem is not with the constitution the problem is with the people we elect they failed to read or be educated on our constitution and because we fail to prosecute them for oath violation this is what you get. You got to understand the moment we prosecute these people for oath violations it will stop there will be no more insurrection
Well I got a lot of people apologising for being American & assuring us on the cruise ship that they didnt vote for Trump
There are 81 million of us who didn't vote for Trump. Believe me, if a MAGA-fan voted for Trump, he would be loud and proud about admitting it.
There IS a playbook to stop fascism:
"Only one thing could have broken our movement - if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement.”
- Adolf Hitler
People are longing for some form of fascism worldwide, immensely sad but true
Freedom to Fascism: Simply: Lack of a deep and profound public education - something I've noticed is some peeps simply do not know how to think critically
Great conversation and very important. America is an ideal, a dream. We must understand and appreciate how amazingly beautiful freedom truly is and protect it. Only when we view something as valuable will people sacrifice for it. Everyone has value and something to contribute. Diversity is a beautiful thing. I never thought it could happen in American. We had become self-centered, ungrateful and greedy..the pandemic fixed that.
The problem stems from BOTH parties being so pompously sure that THEY are correct 🙄 Think I'm wrong?
Ask yourself how sure you are that YOUR party is the correct one...its literally like Religion all over again...
Maybe democracy has too many flaws, but it's better than some of the other choices being forced on us. We need to repair what is broken.
Reminds me of a verse from the wonderful Gil Scott-Heron song Winter in America (very prophetic) from 40+ years ago where he sings "Ain't nobody fighting cause nobody knows what to save." That's us lovers of democracy. In the words of a lamentation from James Baldwin it's "moral apathy and death of the heart." Our media would easily agree to be state run if the price was high enough. We've already seen federal judges who will do anything for the powerful. We have too many politicians who lack imagination or are too stuck in the privileges of the system to fight for its health. And too many of our people in the words of Liz Berrigan "have been cowed, bowed, bought off, distracted, and become willing participants in their own extinction." If the WWII generation was the greatest, then what are we? Where are our leaders who are willing to sacrifice it all for something bigger than themselves? Where our are people who will stop being afraid when the time comes to fight for our democracy? I fear we good people are going to go down with a wimper, not a bang. Winter in America indeed.
Great book and this was a great video. Perfect message. Exactly what needs to be said right now.
Can Americans now stop thinking how they are the greatest country in the world?
Hi.
They won't
It isn't to late yet, but things have to change. Democracy is in danger in the USA. The world is watching, and holding their breath.
It's the largest existential crisis in history
Every fall of empire is seen as the worst and biggest and they’re all brought about by the same crowd. There’s been many and we’ve all been here before. Strange..I know.
As with any other existing government style ; Democracy will wake up when challenged and its existence proves its is successful as any other form of representation if not better ! Choice of the mass is a voice.
He is quite right. The perceived strengths of authoritarianism is actually is weaknesses: its inflexibility, so it is inadaptable. its exclusivity, so it can't readily form coalitions. its perfectionism, so more and more things are considered "corruption" by the authoritarian regime itself. (basically they try to make a society so "perfect", it's unliveable even to the people creating it.)
I hate to point this out, but Americans need to refresh the memories of the 20th Century. During the decades of the 50s, 60,s to the late 80, The United States enthusiastically supported, financed and armed authoritarian regimes in Latin America, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile; South-east Asia, Iran, Philippines , Indonesia. . . With the silent complicity or some times enthusiastic support of the Democratic Party.
The rhetoric then may sound familiar now: Defending the home land from the threat of Socialism, The exclusive nationalism, the fear of the "others". The methods were similar, not accepting elections unless they went "our way", economic sabotage of any country that refused to comply. The true motivation was to advance the geopolitical and economic advantages of the US empire.
What we see now is Karma, coming home to roost.
Sorry Rachel, kudos to you, but thanks to the t**** years, I can never use a Sharpie again
When a State govner in USA invites a million economic migrants over the border, to travel wherever they want within the USA, as Merkel did in Europe in 2015, settling in any state they want to, then you can compare Hungary to Trump.
This should be mandatory reading in schools.
Alexei Navalny is such a great man! The U.S. should be celebrating him much, much more. He is a critically important light in this dark time, and he has suffered far too much for the principles which the West pretends to hold dear. How about some full-throated support for this incredible human being?
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It seems that in order to defeat authoritarian rule, we have to be authoritarian. The trick is figuring out how to tell which brand of it is better for us as a culture and a species.
Yes, how are we going to defeat authoritarianism if we are bound by the rules of democracy?
@@Soapandwater6 it’s a quandary that most people in America don’t seem to be ready to solve
@@Ender7j Although it's been apparent to me for the last 4 years, I think most MAGA-people aren't aware that we are sliding into autocracy. They're only worried about "progressive socialism."
They re aware...they just want it to be THEIR autocratic government. They think it will never turn on them
Very scary! I didn't know how closely the Republican strategy to undermine democracy in the US matches what happened in Hungary.
So much global power and money in the hands of a ever smaller group of people ..What can possibly go wrong ?
It's gone. A failure to not stop this .
I believe there is a very simple answer to why this is happening: There is no real consequence (any more) for lying.
@Gord Bestwick - Never was really.
I just don’t understand why anyone would only want to live anywhere where everyone is the same and thinks and believes only what they believe.
Madison Square Garden, 20 February 1939.
IT HAS HAPPENED HERE BEFORE. It is happening in slow motion right now.
Less than 30 years ago the Soviet Union collapsed in December of 1991. December of this year will mark it's 30th anniversary. Can the USA please hold on for at least a few more months, I really don't like weird numbers like 29, gives me shivers just thinking about it.
Leave it to Rachel to discover some brilliant writing and spend a minute and 50 seconds of her show reading a piece if it to her audience. I don't know anyone else in the MSM who would do that. I feel compelled to buy that book, now.
(Oh, I bought Rachel's _Blowout_ a couple of years ago, too.)
Rachel, you are a national treasure!
Good thing we aren't a Democracy, isn't it, Maddow?
How America bent to a dictator and he is not arrest????
Impunity will keep the idea spreading.
Start arresting or it will be too late. Do not minimize or ignore the risk.
I dont waste time with egos and small minds
We need massive historic Democratic turnout in 2022
The people’s struggles to retain or regain their democracy in Hong Kong, Myanmar and Belarus, to name just 3, were brutally suppressed while the powerful democracies did nothing. If the US, EU, UK and commonwealth countries could get it together and agree to send observers, levy sanctions and even send in peacekeepers, some of those people’s movements might have succeeded. To paraphrase, first they came for your democracy but we did nothing; now they’re coming for our democracy and there’s no one left to ask for help.
Over here in Germany, we have managed to create somewhat of a counter-model to this worldwide divisive trend: the two largest political parties - mid left and mid right - have been in several instances of "Grand Coalition" over many years, and given the challenges of CV-19, they have shown this model to actually work and produce results
guessing that rupert murdoch didn't publish this ....
Y’all realise this started after ww2 right ?