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Was Alice in Wonderland REALLY Just a Dream? (Wonderland: Part 1) [Theory]
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2016
- Check Out More Theories: • MY BEST THEORIES Tim Burton's: Alice in Wonderland, is an odd film with some cool secrets. And since it's sequel is coming out soon, I'm here to find out if this entire movie was a dream or not. This theory solves perhaps the truth!
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Some more evidence that it's clearly an insanity trip:
- Nobody else sees the rabbit, but Alice does... Right after she learns Hamish is to marry her. She is slowly migrating into her childhood to deal with the incoming pressure.
- They call her "the wrong Alice", because she is still questioning who she wants to be.
- When she gets home and does the funny foot dance, it isn't because she's mimicking the hatter... It's because she IS the hatter.
- The White Queen tells Alice that the Jabberwocky blood will take her home... But only if Alice choses it will. This is not asking her if she wants to stay, but that if she wants to leave, only then will it truly work. Same applies to defeating the Jabberwocky in the first place. The Mad Hatter says it's only possible if Alice believes it is.
- Every time she leaves Wonderland (also in the sequel) people fade out as if she is waking up from a dream.
- When she was flying back up out of the rabbit hole, the animation showed her shooting upwards... But then she simply crawls out, implying that she was just sitting in there, dreaming.
- Alice saw the blue caterpillar BEFORE her trip to Wonderland, meaning the character is based off of this little caterpillar that was sitting on Hamish.
The Theorizer see alice thrue the looking glass . It's good and there's more evedence.
The Theorizer Could you do a theory of the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie. The plot of the movie kinda bothered me.
jats
The Theorizer why are you talking different??
Insanity trip? lol. Mushrooms. Datura... all things pulled from Lewis Carrol's own life experiences.
Alice:dream is not reality
Mad Hatter:who's to say which is which
Alec Blake and reality is not a dream
@@arbeecass how do you know exactly? For all we know reality could be a dream
Periodt
Yeah we all seen the movie
@@draconic5129 Perhaps, all of the things you are experiencing is just a simulation.
What if the mad hatter... Is Alice's father? He knows underland like the back of his hand, he acts crazy and eccentric like her father, and he tells Alice to do the impossible
Protagnis YT Yessss just watch Once upon a time
OMG SO TRUE!!
Your so right!!! Wtf
@@BlackWolf-kr7wo No
I thought this when I watched it for the 2nd time. and I was like "he is so like alices father"
So what if I'm crazy? The best people are.
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YOU CAN BE ALICE I'LL BE THE MAD HATTER
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The movie coraline really scares me. I only watched it because it was the chosen movie to watch during halloween. So while listening to your coraline theory i just hid the video and ran away to the comments. Evening seeing the outline of the beldam creeps me out
i feel with u
I agree I watched it when I was like 15 and it scared me back when it first came out on DVD
yeah my friends decided to watch it. I was 8, and i got up to the part when her parents were in the mirror. Then i left, i had the memory of the ghosts saying 'we let her sew on the buttons and then we died forever'. i don't remember if thats what if was but whatever. I haven't watched it since
I went to watch it with my mum and aunt when it came to cinemas and I was then 9 year old so pretty young. And I kinda remember it was 3D movie too and I got so freaking scared of the movie. I was probably even shaking after it and had nightmares, but I dont really remember. I only really remember the scared feeling after the movie (because all the scary things were in the end of the movie), the movie, and the feeling that i dont want to ever watch it again. But surprise surprise i watched it few months ago and was like this isnt really scary. Of course it is still little bit scary but not completelly anymore. It may be the moment where all things went from 0 to 100 really quickly at the end so I wasnt really prepared and thought it would be calm and child friend movie more.
+Maura Hinkula I wasn't scared at all... ;-)
ok but if alice dremt of the charictors in her dreams when she was younger how are they based on people she most likely didd'nt meet until she was older???
That's true. All the characters seen when she was a child, she hasn't met until that party.
Oh and U also wonder what the white queen character is supposed to reflect. We know the red queen but not the white.
I personally believe the Mad Hatter is based on her father and the White Queen is her sister
The white queen may be her mother or elder sister. The white queen is somewhat caring yet nice an stern. It may reflect her missing her mother or her sister. BUT I BELIEVE no ORDER THAT WONDLAND BE REAL!
go see my comment
But they were originally going to make the mad hatter and Alice kiss in the movie but they didn't because of the age gap between the actors so i don't think the mad hatter is her dad...
kiss? y..that makes no sense, hes like her buddy
Yea the realized it would be kinda really creepy so they didn't do the scene.
go see my comment
+unicornsally go see my comment
I still ship it though
I watched Alice through the looking glass so I really can't wait for your theory!
Agreed!
I saw it twice... Yeah..
me too!! it's gonna be interesting
Yh me too XD
YA SAME BUT WHEN THEORIZER U PROMISED
An interesting theory, but the Time Burton film establishes that Wonderland/Underland is a real world and Alice's dreams were in fact memories of her visit there as a child. I like to think Wonderland is a alternate, warped version of our reality and that's why there are parallels to characters in the "real world". Perhaps whenever Alice visits there she is actually experiencing that reality's version of the events she's going through. In this film, she is conflicted about what she wants to do with her life and is still mourning over her fathers death. When she returns, she has overcome her father's death and confident in who she is. (MILD SPOILERS) In Alice Through the Looking Glass she wishes she could change the past and views time as a thief. In Wonderland she meets Time and realises that "You can't change time, but learn from it." This is just my interpretation.
Can we ever just call these magic? Just once, science can't be everything just a little magic.
I mean I not bashing on this video, I'm incredibly impressed by how much guys like these know and how much work they put in, but come on magic...you know is awesome.
Magic is the best
+AnimalGem 13 yeah
Lol so true
True
Other things:
When Alice got scarred in the dream, it might have been from sliding down some rocks when she fell, and since she hit the rock, she imagined being hit in the dream
The six impossible things reflect the real world
-cats can dissapear, cats are sneaky and can walk without being heard, so if you turn away from a cat it can run without being heard, basicly dissapearing
-Cake can make you grom big, cake makes you fat
-animals can talk-animals can communicate with sound
-i can slay the jabberwolky , ican defeat something even if its uncomfortable (continue reading)
- poitons can make you smaller - im not sure about this acctually
- wonderland exist, underland exists
Also Alice may be a paralell to the white queen since neither want to kill anything BUT alice needed to do something she didnt want to get something better (slay the jabberwolkey)
And last, this movie is a sequell to the disneg version since the disney version is the dream that alice remember in the end of the film
The 3:29 scared me so hard
Ikr
Same
Omg me to and I watched alone at night
I really just jumped lol
what happens then??
I used to ship Alice and the Hatter
I still do but only because of the Tim Burton one
OMG me too
+Stephanie Gagne same
same
They were actually supposed to become a couple in the first one but that was changed last moment
Who has seen at least one of the characters from Alice in Wonderland in their dreams ?
I've seen the Mad Hatter lol
Ive seen the chesire cat o3o
I've seen the Cheshire cat, the rabbit, the white queen and I might of seen Time last night .
I think I saw Alice once.
i don't usually dream much or i do and don't remember them but when i wake up remembering a dream its always Cheshire cat popping in them somehow in tree in water in a window asking me what am i doing and to keep going..mostly telling me keep going.
im just saying, what if they're tripping us up and underland is real, and the london we see is the dream and she ISN'T adhd and has other disorders. think about that, still a dream just not the world we think
I don't think it's true, but that theory's lovely. :)
you never know with something as crazy and magical as alice in wonderland
go see my comment
+CrowPowersActivate go see my comment
LoST Time iLLuSioN Um... what?
I also think Margaret, Alice's sister, was mirrored as The White Queen because she did do what she could to make the situation less terrifying for her by giving her advice (White Queen giving her armor) and did seem to be happy but knew her husband had different feelings about her or knew he was a cheater. Which gives the sort of positive yet sad White Queen because she lost something most valuable to her (same with Margaret but it's the love she feels she has lost from her husband).
I was a bit disappointed they didn't have her sister in the second movie, but not enough to not love the second one as much as the first.
I think it's an alternate reality because she said she hit her head to cover up what really happened to her because no one would understand they think she's all crazy and I've seen Tim Burton's "Alice Through The Looking Glass" which was amazing btw totally amazing and she isn't asleep when she goes through the mirror she's wide awake and for "Alice in Wonderland" it's like Coralline originally she goes there because of the dreams but eventually I think she believes it enough that she can go whenever she wants through the door into the other world same thing with Alice she originally goes to her "Wonderland" because of the dreams but in the sequel she can go wide awake and you even here her say in the first one it wasn't a dream but a memory from when she went when she was younger and she was so intrigued by it she had dreams about it every day haunting her until she returns. and when your younger your mind takes things that you actually experienced and turn them into weird dreams thinking it's a hazy dream but really its not like its like deja vu like what happened in Madagascar 2: Return to Africa with Alex the Lion when he sees the other animals and your subconscious always takes things and turn them into dreams which turn them into memories and Alice is not crazy originally this movie takes place in 1871-1872 when she falls down the rabbit hole because in the sequel I forgot the year when they show her on the ship being chased by pirates I think it was 1873 and she returns to England in 1874 and her mother says when she returns your a year late it's hard to track to so that means she was supposed to be back in 1873 showing that in that time everything was messed up and they didn't have very good understanding of the entire human body especially the female body and the doctor who looks over Alice when she's in an institution he said it was probably just regular female hysteria because everyone back then especially in England was super proper and basic and she wasn't and when you don't fit in you fit out and people think your weird and in that time you go to mental hospitals when you don't fit in that's all she was she was just different and thought differently and didn't want to live the path drawn for her she wanted to make her own story but in that time it was unheard of unless you were a rich man of course.
Not alternate reality I meant to say Real I think that place Is real that can only be entered through certain places
My head hurts.
But in "Alice Through The Looking Glass" (when she's in the mental institution) she is told by her mother she was found under the furniture cradling herself. I think Alice in the "Tim Burton" film adaptations also has Schizophrenia as the symptoms all correlate with those of Schizophrenia, and if she did enter the alternative reality she wouldn't have been found where she was, instead she wouldn't have been found at all (if the alternative reality was real). I believe it's all delusions and derives in her head, as she is "forced out" of Wonderland when she is awoken in the mental institution, whereas otherwise if it was real she would have come out of a portal, such as the mirror in Hamish's home.
Pop that's what did happen didn't you hear her mother say that the escorts found her in their study trying to get under the furniture screaming about something about the atmosphere which was the chronosphere and then her mother said that hamidge had her sent to the mental institution and then when she breaks free from the mental institution she runs back to the escots estate and goes into the study again and goes through the mirror the portal and before all of that when Time had her locked in the Clock store she jumped through the mirror to get back to the real world.
But if the alternative reality was real, then how was Alice still in the current reality/universe, and how would have Hamish's escorts know about the chronosphere?
I think the doctor at the mental institute would have diagnosed Alice with "female hysteria" because it was only of the only few mental disorders around through the time period of the film setting (I can't remember exactly where the film said the date was set, but if it's between 1871-1872 as you stated) then there were only few mental illnesses, where "schizophrenia" wasn't even discovered until some-ten years later.
Plus, as a behaviourist symptom of "female hysteria" is "tendency to cause trouble", which Alice was highly known for (especially from Hamish's POV when he was publicly rejected by Alice in the first film). So, if "schizophrenia" was discovered, she may have not been diagnosed with it anyway because Alice didn't speak publicly about her "hallucinations" (or visions in the alternative reality) which is a main basis for the diagnosis for "schizophrenia".
I also think this film links in the whole Freudian unconsciousness, as mentioned by "The Theorizer". In this video, "The Theorizer" talks about how her fear of her reality (such as the characters) are mimicked in the alternative Wonderland. According to psychology, this would be because of the "ID" (a part of our unconscious that protects us), displaces fear in a creative and much more censored/moderate version to prevent the individual from harm. So, if this was true, Alice's experiences (such as the lost of her close and dear father) could have been displaced onto the Wonderland universe to prevent her from negative feelings and protect her from the wrong of the world. Hence, why we see a character, "Hatta", with similarities to her father.
That's my opinion at least. I love Tim Burton films with a passion, and whatever his intentions were I think he portrayed these films in such a creative and innovative way, especially with trying to differentiate from Lewis Carol's novel completely by changing characters, changing/moving plot, etc.
Well... In the Tim Burton film, she said she hit her head to cover what really happened, or at least that's what I think.
Yeah.
You can be Alice I'll be the Mad Hatter.
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Heres a thought you missed... Why did the mad hatter tell alice that she wont remember him if/when she returns?
that could be another thing that points to a dream. you do not typically get dejavu in a dream but might recall it in the morning like "oh yeah i remember I've had that dream before" but when its happening it feels like the first time. This would also explain why alice couldn't remember anyone when she first got to wonderland in the movie.
Well i mean, if you read the original book, it states in the end that she woke up under a tree. So technically it is a dream, if you connect the book with the movie.
A 2020-2021 version of a explanation from me be like:
She just S H I F T E D 👁️👄👁️
No wonder i"ve always been obsessed with this movie ima shift there hehe
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My theory:
Underland is another dimension or universe. Alice falls down a hole which is a wormhole to that other dimension or universe. She has a duplicated life in Underland while her real life is in her proper world. Every character is the victim who fell into the wormhole. That's why she is so important! Because they have all learned that they must stay this way as a victim unless Alice brings another wormhole (being the jabbawockey.) She enters the wormhole and her life mends together back in place.
Actually, it was real, she went there once as a kid and kept dreaming about it, then she went there again, as a woman, but time there is different from time here, so no one missed her.
That's why she had the scar when she got home.
And everyone thinks she's crazy because the things she says make no sense, but it is clear to see, in all the other situations, that she's sane. She just likes to dream and imagine and that's other reason why they think she's insane
Maybe under land is the real reality and the so called normal land is her dream. Her dreaming of underland is actually just her waking up
LegitGamer holy sh!! that gave me chills that lol
Alice falls down into a rabbit hole and ended up into another world named Wonderland.
Dorothy was captured by a tornado and also ended up into another world named Oz.
Coraline went inside a little door and also ended up into another world.
This girls are HIGH.
OH MY GOD I CENT WAIT FOR HALLOWEEN NOW
I posted it months ago :)
Oh right that one! That was brilliant but I'm always waiting for more they're my favourite
LucyIsAFreak Kinda I made five now. At the time of this video, I had made three. The final Coraline theory will hopefully be in October, but many people are getting tired of it. Just as many that want more of it.
I don't know about anyone else but you could post an 8 hour video and I'd still watch it twice! Your Coraline theories are absolutely brilliant they're all so intracate and clever, Kudos to you! It really sparked my enthusiasm about the film again, anyway yeah I love the Coraline theories. On that subject I don't know if you saw my comment on the Coraline video about the poem 'La Belle Dame Sans Merci' which is about a fairy that entices men and then captures them and never let's them go? I'm Pretty sure that has something to do with the origin of the beldams name, considering Neil Gaiman is slightly obsessed with fairies and magic
The Theorizer MAKE THE ALICE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS ONE
((SPOILERS WARNING SPOILERS))
I agree with u on the it being a dream because if you've seen alice through the looking Glass Hamish sends her to an asylum because she was said to be trying to fit under the furniture and do the things she was doing in the world through the mirror and the sphere can be explained by she's in a private room filled with expensive things that hamish's family own so it might have been a trinket from the room and so in the first one it would explain the scars on her arm that she was just sleep walking doing what she was doing in wonderland or her dream wich in my opinion is her coping with her real life and stopping her from plumitting to sanity
insanity*
go see my comment
There's one critical piece of evidence that points it to being real, it's the fact that her cuts remain. Unless you're going to argue that either A. she's self-harming or B. The mind has control over the universe enough to cause physical harm (like in The matrix).
You forgot one thing. :D No time passes because it's always tea time in Underland. So therefore, no time can possibly past since time is frozen. So I think it still might be a real thing.
Hmmm, you make a good point. But i'm still going to choose to live in denial and believe that Underland is real
I still say that the scratch on her arm is enough evidence to say that it's real, because it's unlikely if not impossible that the mind can cause physical harm to the body, the other option is that she self-inflicted her wounds but it seems unlikely considering the fact that they are perfectly parallel.
Says "Kind of like Tim Burton." Then shows pictures of Johnny Depp??
I realize Tim and Johnny worked together to make the characters shown but still.
Local Artist pretty sure he was referring to tim burton’s crazy characters
One little detail I thought of, perhaps the injury on her arm really is there at the end of the movie, because she got it when falling into the hole (from a sharp rock or root or something like that). I think she is imagining it, but I thought I'd float that idea out there as well.
Some people just think about things that don't really matter way too much.
+Dawn de la Morte It's a channel dedicated to that. It's the purpose of a channel like this. There are hundreds.
But alike novels, the films are just like a piece of literature. We enjoy analysing these films because it provides us with a sense of understanding and allows us to explore possible ideologies of this atmosphere created.
The Theorizer
You're right, I'm sorry. I should have just deleted that, I was in a really bad mood when I posted that. It's not like I haven't spent hours analyzing a movie of a book. Some are for entertainment and some are to make you think. That being said, did you ever do one for Cloud Atlas? I would love to hear your theories on that one. Again, sorry.
+Pop interestingly the original book was written by a mathematician and is basically an explanation of forms of logic, often seeming illogical until you look at it from a different angle.
Hey Dawn de la Morte, are you angry because of me?? :(
I kept giggling at "midlife crisis " at 16 lol
+ChulsZFF IKR
in that time period that would be close to midlife
Wow…she's the REAL mad hatter, except, she doesn't wear any hats…k………
go see my comment
She was 18 in the film 🙄
I watched the movie. I won't spoil it, but the mental place, it's really not a dream. The mirror is another portal to wonderland/ underland.
my friend always thought Alice has lucid dreams
Alice through the looking glass actually kinda supports this theory, I hope he posts another video on this.
why its probably called underland in the burton versions: the _very_ first version of Alice in Wonderland was called "Alice and Her Adventures Underground" which was then changed to "Alice and Her Adventures in Wonderland" maybe just a tribute to Carroll？
I have ADHD and don't have schizophrenia! I can think of 80 people in the same category. Fact is that the girl was very spoiled by her adventurous father and so to think that she would be expected to get married like every other girl in her social society, made her throw a major fit and run for the hills. We've all been there; she then snacked on a mushroom growing on the hill which turned her fantasy into a major TRIP...The End.
Actually time did pass in London when she was gone, if I'm correct and remember correctly, Alice was in wonderland for 2 days, and when she got back to the wedding I'm pretty sure someone said she'd been gone for 2 hours. So my theory is that every hour that passes in London is one day in wonderland
3:39 thanks for the nightmare I can never unsee that
I think that her arm was cut in the hole, and was coped for in wonderland by the big cat monster.
go see my comment
Alice: wait-so I’m dreaming???
Everyone:
*let me just pretend I have never I never heard that*
I think Hatter is what Alice wishes Hamish would be like.
The Mad Hatter oh mah gaaawd i ship it xDD
@Flowerwish river clan this was 9 months old me. Why are you even bothered?
I love this movie. In Alice in wonderland Alice said that it was real.
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Well it can be a alternative universe...
Also she isn't even in her midlife, she's a teenager... how can she has a midlife crisis....
WeiYinChan it's in the Victorian times, when they lived shorter, and because she had to marry it's like she's in her midlife
Interesting theory, and probably one I would be willing to support as well. For those that say that the Mad Hatter shoudln't resemble the father, as him and Alice were originally supposed to be romantically involved, you might want to consider some more psychological possibilities. I believe Freud believed that little girls seek in their lovers a resemblance to their fathers, whilst boys seek in their lovers resemblance to the mother.
The mad hatter is, after all, not /physically/ her father. It is someone with a similar personality and qualities that she learnt to admire and aspire to as a child. There is nothing incestual about this potential relationship, and it still makes sense for the mad hatter to be a personification of the qualities she has learnt to appreciate throughout her childhood. It also makes sense for Alice to seek approval and affection from this character, as she has lost her father too early and could, by chance, not have grown out of childlike, heightened affection for her father. (In other words I wouldn't put a bit of a daddy complex past her.)
I believe Alice just cut her arm when she fell in the hole, and her dream created an explanation for it. It often happens that we dream about our arm, for example, being cut off, when in the real world it has just fallen asleep underneath our weight. The physical sensations travel into the subconscious and get translated into the language of the dream. I do not think that she just imagines them or that they are self inflicted.
Anyone that has read the book might also agree that wonderland is by all means following a dream like logic. Surrealism is widely accepted, topics are jumpy and sometimes incoherent, and convenient elements in the story seem to change or appear at the whim of a subconcious. That dream may be, to some extent, lucid.
If you've seen the new movie, I've got something that's been bothering me.
Time freezes time so that it will always be one minute "till tea time". Yet, Horunvendish day (when the Jabberwocky attacks) happens AFTER they get stuck to one minute till tea time. In the 2010 Alice, Hatter was AT Horunvendish day in a flashback. But he is STILL waiting for Alice when she returns, then the 2010 movie takes off from there. Could you clear this up, or did they make an error?
ALICE AND THE LOOKING GLASS ruined everything.
Link destroyer what happened? I couldn't see the movie:'c
....Alice shouldve stayed with Hatter
Harley Quinn oh ik
I still ship them though
Link destroyer through*
3:38 GOOD LUCK SLEEPING TONIGHT
There is one problem with this theory (apart from Absolem being on Hamish's shoulder) dreams and psychoses of that length take time to concoct. I am pretty sure it would be impossible to think all that up in a time short enough for none of her friends and family to worry. This is also mentioned in The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe when Lucy enters the wardrobe, tells her siblings about Narnia and they don't believe her. The Professor convinces Peter and Susan of her sanity by telling them she couldn't imagine a half-hour to an hour's conversation in seconds. This combined with the fact Lucy is truthful forces Susan and Peter to give her the benefit of the doubt.
It can be assumed that Alice was down the whole for minutes only, not enough time to concoct such a vivid dream/hallucination spanning days. It can also be assumed that Alice can be trusted by the audience. Therefore it is going to take a bit more explaining for me to believe. I really like the video though, but I trust Narnia and Professor Diggory.
I'm not saying that Alice doesn't have any of the mental disorders you mentioned, I'm just saying Underland can't be a concoction of her psychosis.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum were also in her dreams as a child , how could they represent the twins that she now knows . It's understandable for the mad hatter if it represents her father , but the red queen also must represent someone in her childhood . I also believe the people who had fake body flesh all represented her mother and how she always wants to look and act like Hamish's mother , much like in the film where they wanted "weird" body parts to match with the queen of hearts large head. And also could it be that the sister is the white queen ??
Through The Looking Glass is so good, I love absolutely everything Alice in Wonderland related. I just wish that the Tim Burton films had made a few more nods to the books, considering the fact that they've got their dark undertones and he probably could've had some fun with that
wonderland = underland and undertale (a game) is set in underland and has a bunch of magical monsters in it coincidence.. I THINK NOT!!
Toby fox would have told us that though the game but no character says anything about alice nor any of the others in wonderland
Did you forget that her dreams that she had as a child were MEMORYS and when she tried to pinch her self during the movie she say "I'll wake up now and you'll all disappear....that's weird pinching usually works?.." Alice would wake up if it was a dream but she didn't. AND the fact that she thinks its a dream is something that happens when you usually have a lucid dream and control what happens, BUT SHE DOESN'T. SO ITS REAL
I had the volume high when this video started...
My ears hurt.
With headphones on...
+Luis Brito
While it was quiet...
you should look at Alice Madness Returns 1-2
for her to be dreaming would mean she would have had to fall asleep in the first place meaning time would have passed in London, so the first point of it bing a dream doesn't make sense. I havent watched all the video yet but I just had to pointt that out. You said because of her childhood dreams and midlife crisis she gets knocked out in a rabbit hole and when she returns no time has passed n london giving evidence it was a dream. You dream when you are asleep, and sleeping takes time don't you think? So to say since no time has passed since she entered wonderland in london and stating that proves it was a dream makes no sense. Because she would have slept if she dreamed, time would have passed if she slept, especially if it was a sleep induced by cranial injury. So that doesn't make sense. Besides, she could have just knocked her head? I think it's a bigger stretch than the theory Coraline and the Beldam being related, than her somehow getting knocked out and having a long dream where no time actually passes, and she wakes up from her dream with somehow nothing, not even the time changing in London is suddenly indicative of it being a dream because it makes n logical sense. Can the movie just not actually be magical?
KitsuneTo Ryuu
Of course the movie is magical. And by that, I mean that Wonderland itself is magical. And by that, I mean that Alice actually traveled into another realm. Kinda like Lucy from the Narnia books. Remember how she was able to spend hours with her faun friend Mr. Tumnus from the second book? Well, when she came back into our realm only a few seconds had passed here in our world. The same thing happened to Alice when she came back from Wonderland. But that's just it. Wonderland is a different realm, which means it's rules of time are different from Narnia, and our realm. That's why no time at all had passed when she came back.
Exactly! Which proves that the whole thing isn't a dream, because to dream, you would have had to sleep, and when you sleep time passes! Unlike in the movie!
KitsuneTo Ryuu
I rest my case. There are other realms, and parallel worlds out there. We've just been looking in the wrong places.
Exactly! Man it feels so good someone gets it! *Smiley face*
she banged her head knocked herself out and had a weird dream. Most dreams feel they've gone on for ages but when we wake you notice how little time has gone, she might have been out for about 15 minutes.
I think that Coraline's world is "mostly real" but "partly magical". That is to say that the laws of physics as we know them govern most of Coraline's world, but not all of it. For example, the other mother's doll is really magical and has supernatural abilities.
I think that the key conflict that sets everything in motion in this movie is Coraline's dissatisfaction with her parents. They have uprooted her, taken her away from her old friends, moved her to a place where it always rains, forbidden her to go outside when it rains (as it always does), and made her live in a boring old house where her only possible friend her own age is an irritating boy who talks too much. Also her parents are going to make her go to a school where everyone has to wear awful gray uniforms. Also her mother refuses to buy her a pair of colorful gloves that would lighten up her uniform. Also her parents refuse to listen to her.
What this movie is all about is that Coraline is made to understand that her parents aren't bad people at all. More than that, the magic of her world forces her to fight a life-or-death battle to save her parents' lives and get them back into her own life.
An aside here: I think Coraline's parents are hard up financially. They are freelance workers and are totally dependent on their own ability to create a garden catalog that they can sell and make money on. That's why they moved to the Pink Palace: the rent there was low. Honestly, do you think the other tenants, Spink and Forcible and Mr B, are rich? Also, just because the Pink Palace is in the middle of nowhere, there are very few distractions there, and the parents can concentrate fully on their garden catalog. Also, of course, because they have to concentrate fully on their garden catalog they have very little time for their daughter.
One more aside here: Why do you think Coraline's father uses such a terrible old computer? It's because the parents could only afford one new computer, and the mother claimed it for herself, since she is the boss of the family.
But my point is that Coraline's parents are sort of poor. But they don't want Coraline to know about it, so they haven't told her. Therefore Coraline thinks that her parents are willfully neglecting her for no reason. She doesn't understand that they have to work their little backsides off to make ends meet.
I think Coraline is a "receptor" for the magic that exists in her world. Her parents are blind and deaf to it, but Coraline can see and hear it. I think that Coraline wished so hard for a nicer family and a happier life that she "made the magic of her world come to her", and she really got trapped in the Other Mother's world, where she had to fight for her life to get out of there. Did she really save her true parents' lives? Maybe she did. She certainly saved her own family's mutual trust and love.
What about the cat? I have no explanation. The cat is supernatural, that's all I can say. The deep, deep well is supernatural too. Because Coraline's world is like that: it is laced through with magic.
I HAVE A CLUE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE:
In the end when Alice comes back from the whole to reject Hamish,she starts talking to some of the family as she walks away at it shows how she still has the 3 marks in her arm that she got from the creature in wonderland.
I have ADHD and as soon as he said started describing it I was like "I swear if he says ADHD I'm gonna "ADHD" me:BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I believe Alice was actually just crazy and the characters were figments of her imagination. In through the looking glass the hatter "isn't himself" this could be a metaphor for depression and in the first film she's trying to escape the queen of hearts this her trying to escape her own anger and hatred, also what if she dies and at the end of through the looking glass when the sisters make up maybe it's her being at peace before she passed away
But idk
arm I have seen Alice through the looking glass and arm she dosent die
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Like Alice madness returns?
My theory is that the mad hatter and the jabberwoky are a part of her personality.
the mad hatter is her crazy, creative, fun side.(the second movie supports this).
The Jabberwocky is her fears and problems which by slaying the jabberwocky results in over coming these fears. also in Alice through the looking glass, her traveling in time is the result of losing her self confidence. She is clearly troubled as seen in the mental institution scene and is prone to hallucinates and violence , even though I felt like that scene had hard edges and was forced it was necessary. anyway I could gone on all day but my point is that wonderland or "underland"is just a part of her subconsciousness, and were are given and idea of how her brain works, underland is just how she sees the world around her, he lies in her own world. so yes she is mentally ill. so any way this is my personal opinion you can agree or disagree.
I'm only 54 seconds in and you already have my like..... Don't disappoint me now...
I am very experienced with Alice in the Wonderland /Underland and I can AGREE with some of the things he is saying but either way I just think its a GREAT MOVIE! I LOVE IT A LOT !
But how can the "delusion" of underland be do to a mid-life crisis? When at the first of the movie after Alice finds out from the twins that Hamesh intends to purpose to her Alice's sister says (you'll soon be twenty, Alice) when shes trying ti convince Alice to marry him. I always took that to indicate that Alice was nineteen at most. Another point near the end of the movie while Alice is talking to the caterpillar she comes to the realization that the repeating dream she had as a child wasn't a dream but rather a memory of her fist encounter with underland. In addition when Alice is scratched by the bandersnatch she bleeds and obviously feels pain something that would indicate that she wan't in a delusion she also can only exit underland when the white queen gives her the vile of jaberwacky blood some thing that would have had to of been physical in order to work further proof that it wasn't a delusion. Sorry to say I don't agree with this particular theory.
It's possible for it to be a mid-life crisis because at the time when the book (which the movie is based off of) was written women weren't even expected to live to 40 due to medical things such as childbirth and illness. Alice would be living according to this rule because the author wouldn't have known about medical advances. Various advances in medicine have increased the lifespans of human beings. Also another commenter said that the bandersnatch scratch could be because she scraped her arm while falling down the hole. However, I don't know about the vile of blood or the dream thing.
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In the first film she is nineteen (it says on the back of the dvd) and in the second film she is twenty two, and is twenty three at the end of it.
well, the book specifically states, it is a dream, but this theory is just so much better plausible for the film, so i'll go with it))
"cats can disappear" would make someone think back to Caroline when the black cat would be able to cross worlds. shimmy shimmy wha
I love your theories they make sense to some of the scene, people need to watch your videos!
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If in the second trip all the people in Underland represented people in her current real life, how does she meet them when she was younger in her dreams, if they were the same people and had acted the same way in both the dreams and the head injury. She had not met all those people when she was younger to have been able to have dreamed representations of them
You are right about the character's equivalents, but you are completely off about the rest. She fell down a hole as a child, hit her head, had a nightmare, and kept having that nightmare for the rest of her life. When she returns to Underland, she thinks it's all a dream for that reason. When she returns home, she knows that none of it was a dream since she had the scratch on her arm.
In the Alice through the looking glass movie, it showed that it was definitely a dream.
where's the theory of Alice through the looking glass?
May I butt in? I read Pandora Hearts a few months back(and have read it 5 times now, because I am in love with it) and it loosely draws reference from Alice in Wonderland. I swear though,if read that , none of the stories , except Coraline maybe,go anywhere bear it as far as "dark" goes. I know I shouldn't recommended such a complex story, but I do highly recommend it to anyone who likes Tim Burton films,Coraline,and Alice in Wonderland.
Actually in Through the Looking Glass they show the back story of all the characters. If it was a dream it couldn't be so detailed
The answer to your question is, "NO...it wasn't a dream" "it was an acid trip" The writer already admitted to being on acid when he wrote it.
that did NOT happen. do some research before posting.
I thought that Alice in Wonderland/Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (at least the books) were her sisters dream or something
well I have a theory on why some of the things in wonderland happen in the real world... Have you ever had a situation where something from real life happens in your dream? For example, I think i bit my lip in my sleep (since I woke up with a little blood on my lips and had a biting mark there), yet in my dream, I dreamt I ran into a wall. Maybe Alice cut her arm while falling, but dreamt the she was clawed there instead?
at 6:02 of this video there's a rabbit on her dress that seems to be going into a hole or a portal that seems to be in the woods, maby wonderland is real and the hole in the woods that she fell down is the portal to the other world (like the door and well in coraline since the well is also a portal and it's a hole in the ground and out in the woods just like this one). if the hole that Alice fell down was a portal, that would explain how the catapillar and white rabbit made appearances in the real world then they went through the portal back to underland (like the cat and mice in coraline, useing portals to go between worlds). this would also explain the mirrors in the Alice in wonderland: through the looking glass trailer , the mirrors act as portals when she goes through them into wonderland . (I have not seen "Through the Looking Glass" yet , the last idea was based just off of the trailer)
Can you make a theory about the game fran bow i think it looks a lot like coraline and alice in wonderland!
I've never seen or played the game, but maybe I'll look into it and make it this Halloween. Maybe.
yea but in the movie alice in wonderlan Through the Looking-Glass the sphere is in alice world even thow is from alice dream.
so tell me how is it posibel the sphere was in alice wirld
+insane chick Alice is an insane chick, she has created absolutely EVERYTHING she sees.
+CrazyGirl 91 mm good one lets just see wut he said
+CrazyGirl 91 then how did the bunny and the buterfly sorry i forgot his name got alice from the real world
+CrazyGirl 91 mmm good point there
+CrazyGirl 91 yes but others see it too and are affected by it
JESUS! THE INTRO FREAKED THE HELL OUTTA ME!!
Maybe Being in Wonderland can be a Lucid Dream, and btw she's just a teenage girl who tries to find herself, and the only thing that can help her is Wonderland.
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You said UNDERLAND, I think Alice has a connection with underworld. And I think the Cheshire or the Withe Queen is the image of death and the dragon is Alice's fear.
In one scene Alice tells Absolem: "It's not a dream at all. It's a memory."
Yay! I just watched the movie and it was really good! (I mean the sequel)
Maybe I should watch the movies before I watch this.....
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The Theorizer, why don't you do a theory on if Narnia was all REALLY just a dream? The Pevensie siblings go through a "magical" wardrobe and have adventures when no time has passed back home...
While it is very clearly established that Disney's animated version of Alice in Wonderland is a dream (we clearly see Alice asleep when she is trying to escape from the Queen of Hearts and her sister wakes her up), I don't think the Tim Burton version is a dream. For one, while you say no one sees the White Rabbit during the awkward proposal scene at the beginning, Hamish VERY CLEARLY sees the blue caterpillar (later revealed to be Absalom). He even acknowledges this by telling Alice that she'll want to wash her hand after Alice plucks the caterpillar from his shoulder. Why would he do that if the caterpillar was in a dream that doesn't begin until Alice follows the White Rabbit down the hole? She also sees Absalom as a butterfly when she departs on her ship at the end of the movie. My second evidence that this is happening in real time and not in a dream is that Alice is scratched by the Bandersnatch while in Wonderland and the scratches are still evident on her arm when she returns to the party. You can't be injured in a dream and have your injuries when you wake up. My third piece of evidence is the fact that Alice, herself, acknowledges that her journey to Wonderland (both in present time AND when she was a little girl) is NOT a dream. She tells Absalom during her conversation with him just before she rides off to battle, that her "dreams" were actually MEMORIES of her time spent in Wonderland as a child. That this whole place was real. My final piece of evidence to support my argument that Alice's journey happened in reality is in comparing Alice in Wonderland to another fantasy novel....the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. In that story, the children journey into Narnia through the wardrobe in the spare room. At first Lucy is gone for an afternoon (yet her family says only a few moments passed in their world). Then when all the children go into the wardrobe, it appears that YEARS have passed and they have grown into adults, and yet, when they come back through the wardrobe, and into the Professor's home, they haven't aged a day and barely any time has passed. And again....they acknowledge this is real and not a dream. Also, look at Peter Pan. Peter takes the Darling children to Neverland and they are gone for quite awhile. But yet, when they return home, their parents (at least in the Disney animated version) have only just returned from their evening out.
Dream is Reality and Reality is Dream.
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The cuts could have been real. A lot of the time if something happens to your body while you sleep, your dream will tie into it (such as dreaming you're in the arctic when your blanket falls off you or dreaming that a lizard is biting your leg when you get a cramp). If she was really only supposed to be out for a few minutes, then she could've gotten the cuts while she was falling (or when she hit the ground) after she hit her head. If it was really just branches or rocks, then they would just be cat scratches, hence why she's not bleeding when she wakes up.
and she hits her head on the mirror! IT HAS TO BE A DREAM AHHHH my childhood is crushed...
So who is the white rabbit who says there's no time ?
It's her psyche projecting false hallucinations into reality, and this is proven when literally zero other people see what she's claiming she's seeing?
I meant period at the end of that, not question mark.
+The Theorizer can u do a video about lucy?
+The Theorizer Lucy the movie
+Arely Garcia I already have one! It's one of my better theories. Albeit one of my most complex, it's one of my most plausible, and most likely answers what the film was trying to explain:
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I believe wonderland was actually real and Alice wasn't dreaming!and in "Alice through the looking glass" when she was in the mental hospital or whatever her mum said that Hamish had her taken there bcus she was trying to climb under the furniture muttering about the apnosphere (sorry if I didn't spell it right) but when she escaped from the hospital and went back Alice then found the chronosphere and went through the looking glass back the wonderland a.k.a underland.so yeah,I believ its real in the movie/book (I wish it was real in real life).I'm also a HUGE!Alice in wonderland fan and I'm obsessed wth anything to do with Alice in wonderland hence my favorite songs are madhatter, hey Alice,Cheshire kitten we're all mad here, u know all those songs.
Though at the end of the movie, before she faces the Jabberwocky she says to the blue caterpillar that she remembers the world as not a 'dream' but as a 'memory', after that she goes on saying 'this place is real'. so could it be that she actually found underland as child and every night had a dream of the memories she has in underland and then just later returns to it for a 2nd time?
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Im writing my own version of Alice in Wonderland and the themed question of the story is where does the dream end and reality begin? So I like this theory already. And the animated movie is a dream and this is part of reality so, wtf