One interpretation of the Alice books that I'm particularly fond of is that of a young girl trying to make sense of adult world that surrounds her. Everything is so big and silly and confusing, and scary at times, but she thinks that if she can make it to the end of her journey (the Queen’s rose garden in Wonderland or the end of the chess board in Looking Glass), she’ll be able to make sense of it all. Of course, in the end, she gets there, and she finds that it’s just as stupid and silly as everything else she’s been through. She realizes that the adult world doesn’t have any kind of secret meaning behind the nonsense; it’s nonsense all the way down, and getting older is simply a matter of going insane and playing along. So she rejects the world the adults have prepared for her and decides to boldly forage her own path, maintaining her childlike sense of independence and spontaneity in order to actively shape her life as she sees fit, rather than passively allow herself to be shaped by the nonsensical world that surrounds her.
I thought this was the answer as well, but I've come to realize that for how popular this movie is and how few people act in accordance with this message, it seems likely that other people have been interpreting it differently. That's what led me to search UA-cam and find this video. If it weren't for this comment I'd be left wondering if I were the mad one all along. I didn't think so, but how can you ever know if you're the only one? The world truly is crazy, and it scares me to see we're in a place where the truth sounds crazy because of all the lies. I hope to find others bold enough to speak and act according to truth, because deviance is shunned so hard for a world where people couldn't even explain the rules they follow.
Ever notice that Alice and Wendy are essentially the very same character? Two teenaged girls that are afraid of moving on from their childhoods, wishing they could live somewhere where they could be children forever, get their wish, but realize that they truly have outgrown all these silly things they used to appreciate when they were younger, and just want to return to normal life.
Not to mention, we can take Tim Burton's AIW and Hook by Steven Spielberg as aftermaths of what happens after the characters went through these amazing adventures and had to deal with them in an older life where Alice is thrusted into a different Wonderland far different from the Wonderland she used to know back then while in Hook, Peter basically experiences first-hand on how Wendy feels as she grows older to an old lady and decides to become what his old friends are - humans. Little did our old heroes would know, Red Queen and Hook basically represent figures who are past their prime and wanting to fulfill a foolish dream while also knowing their time will be up since adventuring and their own powers are the only things holding them sane.
For me, the moral be mindful of your shifting surroundings and how they could lead (or mislead) you and as the Tweedles explained be careful on what your curiosity could get into.
Much as everybody loves Winnie the Pooh, I always love Sterling Holloway best when he gets more eerie and otherworldly like the Cheshire Cat, because you can tell that's where he's really having fun.
Dude this was great! This is one of my favorite Disney movies, and I always like seeing different people’s takes on the story. Your comments were extremely insightful and I just think this deserves more attention! Oh and btw I’m a huge fan of Pogo too haha.
I see it as a movie about perception like what is true and what is fake. In the movie Alice's perception is that the place she is in is real but then at the end she wakes up and realised it is all a dream. Also the characters make her question what she knows as well and confuse her with riddles. Also the signs are confusing cause they only say stuff like up, down, this way, that way, confusing Alice even more because they don't tell you exactly where you're going they just say the direction.
Not you mentioning Petersen as an outstanding psychologist lmao also have to agree with others who mentioned this, the point was that everyone in Wonderland needed and lived by the illusion of control but the Cheshire Cat understood the absurdity of it all and he was teasing her!
What. You completely misinterpreted that last line. The cat was saying that as long as she does something she will be better than before. It has nothing to do with longterm goal-setting.
I think you're totally wrong. Goals are not solutions. But people want very much to think they are in control and making progress. But it's a delusion. Confusion comes when you don’t have a goal and thus don't see a path forward but forward is a delusion. Forward is you rationalizing where you are and where you want to be and thus can feel confidant of your next step but that’s all it is. Rationalization. People need rationalization but rationalization is not reality. You can convince yourself you are right and were right but that doesn’t make you right. We are all only where we are. Most people have a great deal of difficulty with that fact, it can make them suffer, they want badly for things to make sense, to know what it's all about or who they are. Don’t you see, children don't have that problem, they haven't thought it out but they know that they are only where they are and nothing else. I won't say thus they are automatically happy but they can be far more happy than adults... though they don't know that yet. You get what I'm saying? Good luck.
Yeah, the narrator to this video was pretty paternalistic and condescending. So silly to think that if you have goals your problems are solved. Anyway, Alice had goals. She was working on her lessons and she was working on a vision that she wanted to have for the world. That's more than most people ever do in a lifetime. Her goals were wonderful. And she was only a small girl. Really, it's good for goals to be fuzzy. Being a good person. Being a prolific artist. You can try to say exactly how many people you are help or exactly how many songs you were right.. but that will only derail you. It's beside the point. the point is to delve into the process and enjoy it as you can. Or at least make it meaningful. To try and put numbers on everything and make a little thermometer that you fill into the top.. that's actually a very two-dimensional, classroom learning way of thinking. It's time we went to the next level.
I really like that it isn't about romance and finding someone to get married to. Which is a pretty weird topic for children's movies. My room at my aunts house has the Forest of Alice in Wonderland painted on the walls. Most things have a layer of flourescent and / or UV colours so it A) glows in the dark B) looks CRAAAZYYYY when I turn off the normal lamp and turn on the UV lamp. I loved it as a kid to lay on my bed, have the UV light on, seeing the forest in all its colourfull glowing glory and listen to Audio plays. I showed the room to a friend in Kindergarten. She was so scared she cried. Good she didn't know there is a livesized Xenomorph in the hallway in the Basement.
I enjoyed your Video and your thoughts... But you should also mention that EVEN THE BEST INTENTIONS AND THE MOST THOUGHT OUT AND WELL LAID PLANS / GOALS CAN STILL . . . LAND YOU IN A WORSE SITUATION UNFORTUNATELY WE TRULY HAVE NO CONTROL BUT IT IS NICE TO THINK WE DO CONTINUE TO TRY BUT ENJOY THE PROCESS AND THE DAY TO DAY For This Day may be Your Last Do good for Yourself and Others. With Love 💘 Miss Vikie Howell 🕊💖🕊
Haha! Well that analysis lurched into almost as bizarre a direction as a scene from the actual film. IMHO, Alice in Wonderland could be viewed as a proto-YA story where the protagonist encounters the adult world and is initiated into it. However, it differs from most YA stories because, instead of the protagonist becoming the chosen one of their existence and settling into adult life, AIW consistently presents its metaphor for the adult world as impenetrable, unintelligible, farcical, meaningless and maddening. Alice moves through various vignettes which are only linked in the fact that they're archetypes of life in England at the time: the harried late rabbit, her growth/shrink in statue (physical and social), family life (the twins), recreation (the caterpillar) and then the pinnacle civilised activity: the English tea party. Finally the pillars of the monarchy and judicial systems are completely trashed as they're shown to be increasingly dangerous farces the insane outcomes of which are necessarily as violent as they are absurd. Then Alice wakes up, still the child that she is, and goes home essentially never resolving any of the tensions of the film. Thus implying that this is a glimps of the adult world she has to look forward to and there's nothing she can do to stop it. She's powerless and at the mercy of a system with no heart or brain and so is therefore completely heartless and senseless. It's a pretty bleak conclusion that is heartily juxtaposed by the superficial colour and spectacle which reflects our world even more than ever all these many decades later. And your wise Cheshire cat? A parallel to Dina emphasising his status as a pet: essentially implying that pets are some of the few beings which transcend our dangerously farcical system since their existence is necessarily secure by the fact that a pet by definition has all their needs fully met so will never succumb to the madness. That's my 2 cents anyway. Either way I'm pretty sure the Cheshire cat doesn't lead us towards taking Jordan Peterson seriously! Now THAT is farcical! 😁👍
From another perspective is that you can't get lost if you don't know where you're going, making either path a progression in moving forward. Wherever you go just be yourself and be happy, with grace and gratitude, love and light
Just watched the movie before this vid. Alice actually said in the beginning she doesn't want her story to be written, but seen. She got what she asked for a chaotic visuals without big storytelling but experiences. I don't think this is a movie that could be talked about much, yet it is still has intriguing visuals. But that's also how Disney was back then. I still was kinda surprised the scenes with the queen was a bit late.
While intriguing, I personally don't like that idea. Vincent Price's voice works better with a villain character like Ratigan in The Great Mouse Detective.
Contrary-wise do an argument on Douglas Adams Art of Zen Navigation where you follow someone who looks like they know where they are going. You may not end up where you intended but where you where supposed to be.
yes... not a bad person, but like everyone else a conditioned being of society. his train of thought for me always goes from a feeling of protection/protective and preparation of or for a possibility, that is why he is attractive and is appealing to many, but I think it is a wrong starting point of view, perhaps relevant in the society in which we now have to function
150 years ago it was said the nuclear family destroys society. Jordan Peterson says that people not wanting a nuclear family destroys society. I don't believe people who make predictions of the future, no matter of left ir right
One interpretation of the Alice books that I'm particularly fond of is that of a young girl trying to make sense of adult world that surrounds her. Everything is so big and silly and confusing, and scary at times, but she thinks that if she can make it to the end of her journey (the Queen’s rose garden in Wonderland or the end of the chess board in Looking Glass), she’ll be able to make sense of it all. Of course, in the end, she gets there, and she finds that it’s just as stupid and silly as everything else she’s been through. She realizes that the adult world doesn’t have any kind of secret meaning behind the nonsense; it’s nonsense all the way down, and getting older is simply a matter of going insane and playing along. So she rejects the world the adults have prepared for her and decides to boldly forage her own path, maintaining her childlike sense of independence and spontaneity in order to actively shape her life as she sees fit, rather than passively allow herself to be shaped by the nonsensical world that surrounds her.
I never read people’s comments which so much consideration. This was so good. Good job. I mean it.
awesome perception on this! I agree with your theory!
Wow! Love the way you look at it. I’m totally agree!
EXACTLY!
I thought this was the answer as well, but I've come to realize that for how popular this movie is and how few people act in accordance with this message, it seems likely that other people have been interpreting it differently. That's what led me to search UA-cam and find this video. If it weren't for this comment I'd be left wondering if I were the mad one all along. I didn't think so, but how can you ever know if you're the only one? The world truly is crazy, and it scares me to see we're in a place where the truth sounds crazy because of all the lies. I hope to find others bold enough to speak and act according to truth, because deviance is shunned so hard for a world where people couldn't even explain the rules they follow.
Ever notice that Alice and Wendy are essentially the very same character? Two teenaged girls that are afraid of moving on from their childhoods, wishing they could live somewhere where they could be children forever, get their wish, but realize that they truly have outgrown all these silly things they used to appreciate when they were younger, and just want to return to normal life.
Voiced by the same woman, too.
Not to mention, we can take Tim Burton's AIW and Hook by Steven Spielberg as aftermaths of what happens after the characters went through these amazing adventures and had to deal with them in an older life where Alice is thrusted into a different Wonderland far different from the Wonderland she used to know back then while in Hook, Peter basically experiences first-hand on how Wendy feels as she grows older to an old lady and decides to become what his old friends are - humans. Little did our old heroes would know, Red Queen and Hook basically represent figures who are past their prime and wanting to fulfill a foolish dream while also knowing their time will be up since adventuring and their own powers are the only things holding them sane.
@@MegaSpideyman That’s Kathryn Beaumont you’re talking about
They could be sisters from another Disney World I think.
@@loydgabrieljalbuna5476 Well in a way they are Wendy is a big sister to John Michael darling and Alice is a baby sister to her sister
This is amazing. The Cheshire Cat definitely has one of the most iconic lines in the whole film.
I agree with you exactly
Alice's story has always spoken to me in different ways I could not connect, your perspective connected it! Thank you for this brilliant POV : )
For me, the moral be mindful of your shifting surroundings and how they could lead (or mislead) you and as the Tweedles explained be careful on what your curiosity could get into.
Much as everybody loves Winnie the Pooh, I always love Sterling Holloway best when he gets more eerie and otherworldly like the Cheshire Cat, because you can tell that's where he's really having fun.
Dude this was great! This is one of my favorite Disney movies, and I always like seeing different people’s takes on the story. Your comments were extremely insightful and I just think this deserves more attention! Oh and btw I’m a huge fan of Pogo too haha.
Nah Alice in wonderland is so confusing. I usually don’t sleep in Disney movies but I took a weed nap in this one
1. I love pogo's music
2. I also loved this video
I see it as a movie about perception like what is true and what is fake. In the movie Alice's perception is that the place she is in is real but then at the end she wakes up and realised it is all a dream. Also the characters make her question what she knows as well and confuse her with riddles. Also the signs are confusing cause they only say stuff like up, down, this way, that way, confusing Alice even more because they don't tell you exactly where you're going they just say the direction.
Not you mentioning Petersen as an outstanding psychologist lmao also have to agree with others who mentioned this, the point was that everyone in Wonderland needed and lived by the illusion of control but the Cheshire Cat understood the absurdity of it all and he was teasing her!
That’s a nice interpretation of that conversation with Alice and the Cheshire Cat
Some very good writing from Caroll and the team behind the film.
What. You completely misinterpreted that last line. The cat was saying that as long as she does something she will be better than before. It has nothing to do with longterm goal-setting.
If you haven't already would you consider doing audiobooks? You did an awesome job on this.
I think you're totally wrong. Goals are not solutions. But people want very much to think they are in control and making progress. But it's a delusion. Confusion comes when you don’t have a goal and thus don't see a path forward but forward is a delusion. Forward is you rationalizing where you are and where you want to be and thus can feel confidant of your next step but that’s all it is. Rationalization. People need rationalization but rationalization is not reality. You can convince yourself you are right and were right but that doesn’t make you right. We are all only where we are. Most people have a great deal of difficulty with that fact, it can make them suffer, they want badly for things to make sense, to know what it's all about or who they are. Don’t you see, children don't have that problem, they haven't thought it out but they know that they are only where they are and nothing else. I won't say thus they are automatically happy but they can be far more happy than adults... though they don't know that yet. You get what I'm saying? Good luck.
nice
Yeah, the narrator to this video was pretty paternalistic and condescending. So silly to think that if you have goals your problems are solved. Anyway, Alice had goals. She was working on her lessons and she was working on a vision that she wanted to have for the world. That's more than most people ever do in a lifetime. Her goals were wonderful. And she was only a small girl.
Really, it's good for goals to be fuzzy. Being a good person. Being a prolific artist. You can try to say exactly how many people you are help or exactly how many songs you were right.. but that will only derail you. It's beside the point. the point is to delve into the process and enjoy it as you can. Or at least make it meaningful. To try and put numbers on everything and make a little thermometer that you fill into the top.. that's actually a very two-dimensional, classroom learning way of thinking. It's time we went to the next level.
Since Alice's best friend in the real world is Dinah, it makes sense that the Cheshire Cat would have the greatest impact on her journey.
I really like that it isn't about romance and finding someone to get married to.
Which is a pretty weird topic for children's movies.
My room at my aunts house has the Forest of Alice in Wonderland painted on the walls. Most things have a layer of flourescent and / or UV colours so it
A) glows in the dark
B) looks CRAAAZYYYY when I turn off the normal lamp and turn on the UV lamp.
I loved it as a kid to lay on my bed, have the UV light on, seeing the forest in all its colourfull glowing glory and listen to Audio plays.
I showed the room to a friend in Kindergarten. She was so scared she cried.
Good she didn't know there is a livesized Xenomorph in the hallway in the Basement.
there’s an Alice in wonderland party going on in a park near my house lol i have no idea why.
I spent the entire day looking for the view points in this Alice in wonderland video video. Thank you 😁👍
Great video man, this channel Is great and you deserve more exposure. You provide some good insight on a lot of topics. Keep up the good content 👍
Appreciate it!
I enjoyed your Video and your thoughts... But you should also mention that EVEN THE BEST INTENTIONS AND THE MOST THOUGHT OUT AND WELL LAID PLANS / GOALS CAN STILL . . . LAND YOU IN A WORSE SITUATION
UNFORTUNATELY WE TRULY HAVE NO CONTROL
BUT IT IS NICE TO THINK WE DO
CONTINUE TO TRY
BUT ENJOY THE PROCESS AND THE DAY TO DAY
For This Day may be Your Last
Do good for Yourself and Others.
With Love 💘
Miss Vikie Howell 🕊💖🕊
Haha! Well that analysis lurched into almost as bizarre a direction as a scene from the actual film. IMHO, Alice in Wonderland could be viewed as a proto-YA story where the protagonist encounters the adult world and is initiated into it. However, it differs from most YA stories because, instead of the protagonist becoming the chosen one of their existence and settling into adult life, AIW consistently presents its metaphor for the adult world as impenetrable, unintelligible, farcical, meaningless and maddening. Alice moves through various vignettes which are only linked in the fact that they're archetypes of life in England at the time: the harried late rabbit, her growth/shrink in statue (physical and social), family life (the twins), recreation (the caterpillar) and then the pinnacle civilised activity: the English tea party. Finally the pillars of the monarchy and judicial systems are completely trashed as they're shown to be increasingly dangerous farces the insane outcomes of which are necessarily as violent as they are absurd. Then Alice wakes up, still the child that she is, and goes home essentially never resolving any of the tensions of the film. Thus implying that this is a glimps of the adult world she has to look forward to and there's nothing she can do to stop it. She's powerless and at the mercy of a system with no heart or brain and so is therefore completely heartless and senseless. It's a pretty bleak conclusion that is heartily juxtaposed by the superficial colour and spectacle which reflects our world even more than ever all these many decades later. And your wise Cheshire cat? A parallel to Dina emphasising his status as a pet: essentially implying that pets are some of the few beings which transcend our dangerously farcical system since their existence is necessarily secure by the fact that a pet by definition has all their needs fully met so will never succumb to the madness. That's my 2 cents anyway. Either way I'm pretty sure the Cheshire cat doesn't lead us towards taking Jordan Peterson seriously! Now THAT is farcical! 😁👍
Don't do drugs.
From another perspective is that you can't get lost if you don't know where you're going, making either path a progression in moving forward. Wherever you go just be yourself and be happy, with grace and gratitude, love and light
i wanted to see an analysis of alice in wonderland because i saw pogo’s video back then as well
The is a wonderful analysis. Thank you for making it clear
Just watched the movie before this vid. Alice actually said in the beginning she doesn't want her story to be written, but seen. She got what she asked for a chaotic visuals without big storytelling but experiences. I don't think this is a movie that could be talked about much, yet it is still has intriguing visuals. But that's also how Disney was back then.
I still was kinda surprised the scenes with the queen was a bit late.
Moral of the story dont eat random mushrooms you find in the forests and drugs .
SN: It would be bomb af if Vincent Price was the cat...
While intriguing, I personally don't like that idea. Vincent Price's voice works better with a villain character like Ratigan in The Great Mouse Detective.
@@politicscommentator yeah, he played Ratigan. But Chesire cat is good too 😎
He wasn't a cat. He was a very big mouse 😅😉
But she's going for a temporary escape. She's in the middle of studying Calculus. And is momentarily losing interest
All paths lead to the gift shop
I'd much rather take direction from the Cheshire Cat than Grant Cardone. Blecch.
"What is life but a dream?"
Wow! I really enjoyed this!!
Contrary-wise do an argument on Douglas Adams Art of Zen Navigation where you follow someone who looks like they know where they are going. You may not end up where you intended but where you where supposed to be.
I love you thanks for this 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you!! Really enjoyed this!!
This is my favourite book and favourite movie
Jordan Petersen and Grant Cardonone names should really not be be spoken in the same sentence. But other than that; great video!
Great content
thank you !
The Alice in wonderland 1951 cartoon is better than the live action.
The japanese - german Anime from the 1980s is a nice watch.
Damn this was a good video
I just learned how much I des pise irrational immature people. All the people Alice meets are extremely high on the antisocial Spectrum.
Inspired 💓
That is so true
🤯👍
Alice in Wonderland syndrome
Jordan Peterson reference…. Im done.
Oh no he mentuojed jordan peterson
yes... not a bad person, but like everyone else a conditioned being of society. his train of thought for me always goes from a feeling of protection/protective and preparation of or for a possibility, that is why he is attractive and is appealing to many, but I think it is a wrong starting point of view, perhaps relevant in the society in which we now have to function
150 years ago it was said the nuclear family destroys society.
Jordan Peterson says that people not wanting a nuclear family destroys society.
I don't believe people who make predictions of the future, no matter of left ir right
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I totally disagree
Madness 😠
EWWW BROTHER EWWW YOU REFERENCE JORDAN PETERSON?? EWWW
Why ?
Carroll was a little too enthused regarding Alice.