Set a Cloaky Alt on your exit (ibis with cloak and civ gun), shoot gankers with alt, wait for concord to be on Grid - exit Abyss and gtfo. Works fine and they wont try again
Thank you for content. Im always glad you also show losses and errors. I wonder why you decided not to use boosters by the second wave as you saw time was going to be tight but you made it anyway \o/
Hiya Dr Ace. :):D Enjoying your vids. You've mentioned not being too fond of multi-boxing and had good reasons, but there seems to me to be one application where it might be super valuable and that is as anti-gank prevention. like if you had a couple of cheap Ospreys for instance waiting at your exit site with their remote reppers flashing ready to go and the moment your bling ship moves they click on that character. Even if the gangers lock target before your logi i noticed they don't one-shot you so those reps kicking in just after that first volley should save the bling ship. Yes? I am most keen to know if this will work. I have a few Ospreys waiting for me but I'm just running T2 Hawks so not a big worry. I'd think also if the gankers see the cheap logi waiting it will put them off taking the chance. I was also thinking that for those who don't have multiple characters one could do this with a couple of mates where you stagger your runs and so when you come out your mates are waiting in their logi and then one of them begins and you go change ship in the local station and are there for them. It will take a bit of coordination to get the timing right, but could certainly add lots of safety. Yes? :)
What you can try before you sacrifice midslots imho is: Use T2-precision missiles, they might have a bit less "boom" but might actually fare better on the smaller stuff then the Navy ones. Also maybe switch on Ballistic control system for a guidiance computer. Test it in T4-Enviroment to actually see if it improves you time or not.
A bit disappointing that the video is cut at 16:03 just after you've got 169m/s speed... Perhaps most intriguing moment! How close to warp speed were you before they got you targeted and scrambled?
Oh man I was in system for this gank, just chilling scanning down sigs in my little Helios - I was wondering when/if it would make it to the channel. There's something special about Eve being an single-shard MMO, it wasn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things but this was kind of one of my "I was there" moments lol. Obviously a sad situation for your brand-new Muninn, but it's fascinating to see an Eve "famous name" (you!) appear in this little backwater system, then local light up with flashies and think "what the heck just happened?!?", check zkill and see the sad events. Thanks for all the content o7
Been watching your Abyssal stuff for a few weeks now while I work my way up to 5s (currently on 4s) and I have found and set up a few spots in systems that stay fairly quiet. Way off the gate and any stations so I am not immediately scannable. So far I have only come out of one site and ran into combat probes. Thankfully they hadnt all gathered and I think they were still scanning the site down and I was able to get out. So out of prolly close to 200 sites I have only gotten close once to a potential gank. But I have taken the time to go and set up bookmarks for this in a few different systems spread out across around 20 jumps give or take from one another. I am running a Gila currently (love the ship lol) any advice?
Same here .... just picking very quiet far far corners for abyssals ... it helps if some anomalies or wormholes scanned down give a warp-to to nowhere if they are gone ....
@@hurdurdur7rl696 yea since I am alone most of the time WHs are a rare blueloot treat I bite on not often. Lost a lot of ships diving those and growing comfortable lol. On the other hand if you spend just a little time flying around you can find lots of systems that allow you to set a bookmark up way off any stations or gates so thats what I tend to do.
Hey Ace .. what do you think of a Vigilant for some web bonuses? If so, will Rails have enough tracking or would Blasters be better? Or perhaps there's some T2C's that have web effect bonus? (I'm not familiar enough with all the T2C's).
Maybe just have a bunch of t2-3 filaments on you and keep entring them and waiting at the last gate for he full 20 min :) make them rage and the assault damage control module would help a lot too imho. great vid as always :)
Would it help you survive ganks to put an alt in a cloaked logistics ship, fit with as much remote rep as you can stuff into it sitting near the abyssal trace? All it needs to do is keep you alive until Concord arrives, just not sure if that would actually work.
or you could just pull concord on grid with your alt by attacking them i guess. They would probably not have the time to take you down when you get out of the trace with concord on grid.
@@TyrInAsgard LOL! Could you imagine the gank fleet chat if you did that? This sounds like not only the most functional, but the most hilarious anti gank strat. "Why the hell did a corvette just agress us?" "OH LOOK! SHINY TARGET! ATTA- we're dead. why are we DEAD?!"
It seems a new awesome feature to the game would be to somehow choose 1 extra slot for high, mid, low slot. Would make sense to me if it was a rig slot that unlocked an extra slot.
I got ganked in my abyss fitted ship leaving jita. I also had like 50 t6 filaments and as many extra drones I could carry 😂😂😂. I guess I should have fitted the improvised cloaking device. 😂😂😂
Can you/someone please define "application" as you use it? Its very confusing to us (me) Americans. Also, I dont really understand why you go with 2 reppers instead of the Assault damage control. --thanks Oh, and why not use med drones?
in the simulation window you see a raw dps number. This is your POTENTIAL dps. Think of missiles as frag grenades: the bigger the target and the smaller the frag radius, the more fragments actually hit and do damage. Bigger missiles have bigger explosions, small ships are so small that much of the effect whizzes right past them, meaning they take reduced damage. Same way, a ship that's moving quickly can moreless outrun the front of the fragments, so it will also take reduced damage. "more application" refers to "making more of that potential dps actually stick to the target", be it by slowing the target down (webifiers), making it appear bigger (target painters), or trying to enhance the missile explosion velocity/decrease the missile explosion radius (missile guidance computer or various rigs). Only if you have perfect application , the actually observed dps is the same as in the simulation window. Otherwise your actual real world dps drops lower.
Application of damage. Having a big DPS number doesn't mean anything if all your shots are going wide or the target outruns your missile explosions etc etc. ua-cam.com/video/JVwkmvLau70/v-deo.html
Assault damage control cycles for seconds every 3 minutes, if I remember correctly. Not as useful as something that is active for the whole 3 minutes for most pve. Edit: Resists bonuses are passive? This is better than I thought.
I think these are Ace's experiments to find a good fit for Dark's. I think he's put out plenty of vids showing how profitable Abyss can be in general and good Gila and other T2 ship fits for running all levels of Abyss. But I've always stayed away from Darks precisely cause of the damage application issues. If those issues can be solved, and you go to somewhere quiet where you're not likely to have gankers... it looks very profitable imo.
those ganks are a bit lame yo uwast e all that time getting thru and then they 100% have you as you exit so not only do you loose your ship inbstantly you also loose all teh time just seems like a toxic enviroment
i recommend you try set up a gank like that. It's not quite as easy as you think. Then again, maybe it is. Try gank a few people and see if you can make it profitable. Edit: I'm certain by setting up a gank or more you will find out ways to counter gankers. It is possible. Requires some effort, but doable.
@@kilner79 is decent for you 100% safe? Because then it wont make good isk, because that's how the economy works. Supply and demand, if you have somthing that is 100% safe the supply will increase infinitely and devalue whatever it is. Pvp is needed to keep the economy running, if you like it or not, if nothing was destroyed in eve then it would be a boring game, no reason to do industry, mining or hauling, see eve echoes for what happens when you remove highsec ganking from eve, it was a horrible choice.
@@seven9766 hmmmm .. counter ganking.. when I get up to this level of Abyss you should be able to enlist other Abyss runners to join you.. take turns running sites with someone on overwatch that can rally the troops.
hm yeah survived tie instances but destroyed from 4 ganker ships... its so anoying that everyone want to see you dead just for leaderboard or for fun of it.
Set a Cloaky Alt on your exit (ibis with cloak and civ gun), shoot gankers with alt, wait for concord to be on Grid - exit Abyss and gtfo.
Works fine and they wont try again
Thank you for content. Im always glad you also show losses and errors. I wonder why you decided not to use boosters by the second wave as you saw time was going to be tight but you made it anyway \o/
Hiya Dr Ace. :):D Enjoying your vids. You've mentioned not being too fond of multi-boxing and had good reasons, but there seems to me to be one application where it might be super valuable and that is as anti-gank prevention. like if you had a couple of cheap Ospreys for instance waiting at your exit site with their remote reppers flashing ready to go and the moment your bling ship moves they click on that character. Even if the gangers lock target before your logi i noticed they don't one-shot you so those reps kicking in just after that first volley should save the bling ship. Yes? I am most keen to know if this will work. I have a few Ospreys waiting for me but I'm just running T2 Hawks so not a big worry. I'd think also if the gankers see the cheap logi waiting it will put them off taking the chance.
I was also thinking that for those who don't have multiple characters one could do this with a couple of mates where you stagger your runs and so when you come out your mates are waiting in their logi and then one of them begins and you go change ship in the local station and are there for them. It will take a bit of coordination to get the timing right, but could certainly add lots of safety. Yes? :)
What you can try before you sacrifice midslots imho is: Use T2-precision missiles, they might have a bit less "boom" but might actually fare better on the smaller stuff then the Navy ones. Also maybe switch on Ballistic control system for a guidiance computer. Test it in T4-Enviroment to actually see if it improves you time or not.
HAMs don't get precision missiles, but javelin missiles. Javelin missiles have the same application as navy, but worse damage (and more range).
A bit disappointing that the video is cut at 16:03 just after you've got 169m/s speed... Perhaps most intriguing moment! How close to warp speed were you before they got you targeted and scrambled?
Oh man I was in system for this gank, just chilling scanning down sigs in my little Helios - I was wondering when/if it would make it to the channel. There's something special about Eve being an single-shard MMO, it wasn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things but this was kind of one of my "I was there" moments lol. Obviously a sad situation for your brand-new Muninn, but it's fascinating to see an Eve "famous name" (you!) appear in this little backwater system, then local light up with flashies and think "what the heck just happened?!?", check zkill and see the sad events. Thanks for all the content o7
Been watching your Abyssal stuff for a few weeks now while I work my way up to 5s (currently on 4s) and I have found and set up a few spots in systems that stay fairly quiet. Way off the gate and any stations so I am not immediately scannable. So far I have only come out of one site and ran into combat probes. Thankfully they hadnt all gathered and I think they were still scanning the site down and I was able to get out. So out of prolly close to 200 sites I have only gotten close once to a potential gank. But I have taken the time to go and set up bookmarks for this in a few different systems spread out across around 20 jumps give or take from one another. I am running a Gila currently (love the ship lol) any advice?
Same here .... just picking very quiet far far corners for abyssals ... it helps if some anomalies or wormholes scanned down give a warp-to to nowhere if they are gone ....
@@hurdurdur7rl696 yea since I am alone most of the time WHs are a rare blueloot treat I bite on not often. Lost a lot of ships diving those and growing comfortable lol. On the other hand if you spend just a little time flying around you can find lots of systems that allow you to set a bookmark up way off any stations or gates so thats what I tend to do.
TBH I always hated ganking. Some said it keeps the game going but realistically it just scares new players away
Hey Ace .. what do you think of a Vigilant for some web bonuses? If so, will Rails have enough tracking or would Blasters be better? Or perhaps there's some T2C's that have web effect bonus? (I'm not familiar enough with all the T2C's).
You showed in the last video the system you used to do abyss. Thats why they were there waiting for you
Cool video, man. I like seeing your experimentations.
Hello Aceface. I am wondering, do you think you could do fit Svipul for T2?
Maybe just have a bunch of t2-3 filaments on you and keep entring them and waiting at the last gate for he full 20 min :) make them rage and the assault damage control module would help a lot too imho. great vid as always :)
They have launched MTU so reentering abyss shall be impossible...
Would it help you survive ganks to put an alt in a cloaked logistics ship, fit with as much remote rep as you can stuff into it sitting near the abyssal trace? All it needs to do is keep you alive until Concord arrives, just not sure if that would actually work.
or you could just pull concord on grid with your alt by attacking them i guess.
They would probably not have the time to take you down when you get out of the trace with concord on grid.
@@TyrInAsgard LOL! Could you imagine the gank fleet chat if you did that? This sounds like not only the most functional, but the most hilarious anti gank strat.
"Why the hell did a corvette just agress us?"
"OH LOOK! SHINY TARGET! ATTA- we're dead. why are we DEAD?!"
May want to try rolling T2 ballistics with gravids. I have had a lot of luck getting faction damage for half the price.
Hello, I never see you to loot extraction nodes, why ?
I noticed you're using your afterburner while remaining at 0 velocity
Lol I seen that too he just sits in front of the gate.
@@law7116 because he can tank the wave and is capstable, it really doesn't matter.
It seems a new awesome feature to the game would be to somehow choose 1 extra slot for high, mid, low slot. Would make sense to me if it was a rig slot that unlocked an extra slot.
T3 cruisers (Tengu etc.) kind of allow that sort of customization. They're too powerful to be allowed in Abyss however.
How much have you lost running t5s? Has to be several billion
Dual web Cerberus, mid crystal set, and boosters - farm all day
I got ganked in my abyss fitted ship leaving jita. I also had like 50 t6 filaments and as many extra drones I could carry 😂😂😂. I guess I should have fitted the improvised cloaking device. 😂😂😂
Can you/someone please define "application" as you use it? Its very confusing to us (me) Americans. Also, I dont really understand why you go with 2 reppers instead of the Assault damage control. --thanks Oh, and why not use med drones?
in the simulation window you see a raw dps number. This is your POTENTIAL dps.
Think of missiles as frag grenades: the bigger the target and the smaller the frag radius, the more fragments actually hit and do damage. Bigger missiles have bigger explosions, small ships are so small that much of the effect whizzes right past them, meaning they take reduced damage.
Same way, a ship that's moving quickly can moreless outrun the front of the fragments, so it will also take reduced damage.
"more application" refers to "making more of that potential dps actually stick to the target", be it by slowing the target down (webifiers), making it appear bigger (target painters), or trying to enhance the missile explosion velocity/decrease the missile explosion radius (missile guidance computer or various rigs).
Only if you have perfect application , the actually observed dps is the same as in the simulation window. Otherwise your actual real world dps drops lower.
Application of damage. Having a big DPS number doesn't mean anything if all your shots are going wide or the target outruns your missile explosions etc etc. ua-cam.com/video/JVwkmvLau70/v-deo.html
American education :D
@@deviant2324 yes, how illuminating you are wtih your petty insult.
Assault damage control cycles for seconds every 3 minutes, if I remember correctly. Not as useful as something that is active for the whole 3 minutes for most pve.
Edit: Resists bonuses are passive? This is better than I thought.
seems the t5's arent worth it. the risks taken and ships required are too expensive for the rewards you get.
I think these are Ace's experiments to find a good fit for Dark's. I think he's put out plenty of vids showing how profitable Abyss can be in general and good Gila and other T2 ship fits for running all levels of Abyss. But I've always stayed away from Darks precisely cause of the damage application issues. If those issues can be solved, and you go to somewhere quiet where you're not likely to have gankers... it looks very profitable imo.
those ganks are a bit lame yo uwast e all that time getting thru and then they 100% have you as you exit so not only do you loose your ship inbstantly you also loose all teh time just seems like a toxic enviroment
i recommend you try set up a gank like that. It's not quite as easy as you think. Then again, maybe it is. Try gank a few people and see if you can make it profitable.
Edit: I'm certain by setting up a gank or more you will find out ways to counter gankers. It is possible. Requires some effort, but doable.
@@seven9766 im not into ganking or pvp to be honest just a bit annoying as a pve player that thers no decent pve content
@@kilner79 is decent for you 100% safe? Because then it wont make good isk, because that's how the economy works. Supply and demand, if you have somthing that is 100% safe the supply will increase infinitely and devalue whatever it is. Pvp is needed to keep the economy running, if you like it or not, if nothing was destroyed in eve then it would be a boring game, no reason to do industry, mining or hauling, see eve echoes for what happens when you remove highsec ganking from eve, it was a horrible choice.
@@seven9766 hmmmm .. counter ganking.. when I get up to this level of Abyss you should be able to enlist other Abyss runners to join you.. take turns running sites with someone on overwatch that can rally the troops.
@@kilner79 EVE is a hardcore PVP game first and foremost.
Nah I'm sorry but this isn't cool at all its kind of sad to be honest, I really don't wanna come back to eve this is pure BS.
very true gankers always win, thats just so stupid mecanic. like theres a button for " kill the player ". thats all. no pvp nothing just
WOW >>>>>>>>> that way.
Exactly why I stopped playing EVE.
people be starving for pvp kills lol. ganking abyssal runners in jita :D
You cant run abyssals in Jita.
like dogs biting the last passengers on a sinkin ship. isk farm simulator with time vs time or money vs time pvp
hm yeah survived tie instances but destroyed from 4 ganker ships... its so anoying that everyone want to see you dead just for leaderboard or for fun of it.
Paid actors! I mean you could have warped off there before they locked you