Bremmer continues to call balls and strikes like a proper newsman. It's been a minute since we've had one so good at laying out the facts while maintaining a neutral political position in reference to them. Respect.
He's not a journalist, he's a political science consultant. We don't usually converge on the truth (or at least a consistent story) until well after the facts emerge. His long term perspective is nice to hear, as well as a perspective that's been conditioned by getting the right answer when it comes to predictions.
I didn’t know Ian Bremmer had Armenian heritage. I’m Armenian myself. He’s one of my favorite semi regular guests you have on and his analysis is always so eye opening.
@Agtsmirnoff That statement is as stupid as labeling every pro-Palestinian protester as pro-Hamas. Ian doesn't hate Israel, he's an objective observer - smth. ethnicity preoccupied nationalists can never wrap their head around (yes, I'm aware of different ethnic makeups of Israel BUT I'm also aware of different forms of discrimination towards eg Arab citizens of Israel, namely the zoning rules in the heart of "democracy " in the region).
As a European, kind of shocked at the (level of) questions of Scott on the latest developments of the ground in Ukraine. Confirms the assertion of Ian that this is now truly a European war.
Gary Gerstle on Ezra Klein’s podcast offered a good framework for what’s going on, saying that we’re in the midst of the political economic order shifting from neoliberalism to something we can only loosely understand at this moment. But much of it seems so confusing because we have aspiring democratic capitalist nations intertwined through trade with deceptive kleptocratic regimes and conflicts that have bubbled up along various alliances.
Yeah kind of... which makes it all the more important to have guests like this on with a view that doesn't 100% align with Scott's. Scott's getting news from outside his bubble, thats a good thing!!!
I have great respect for Ian Bremmer, but find his way of speaking collides diametrically with my capacity to listen. In stark contrast to my ability to absorb other podcasts or even this one with other guests, I keep having to rewind a minute to catch what he said. Genuinely interested in whether it’s just me and my ADHD - ? Does anyone else have this experience listening to Ian?
Happy with both of them closings speech especially Bremmer - who cares about money - we're RED WHITE AND BLUE and let's give our progeny a better chance in this world - NOT WORSEEEEEE!
Apparently the first use of the term: "The first successful use of the technique was on 6 May 1943, at the end of the Tunisia Campaign. Carried out under Sir Arthur Tedder, it was hailed by the press as Tedder's bomb-carpet (or Tedder's carpet). The bombing was concentrated in a four by three-mile area, preparing the way for the First Army." -Wiki
I always find it funny the international norms is applied only when it is western countries and their intrest. And then they complain that we are not being taken seriously.
11:01 - this conflict is the most immediate threat. Russia’s invasion threatens to destabilize Europe and has embolden other authoritarian regimes to disregard international law, leading to global insecurity. We forget, the conflict has triggered energy crises, supply chain disruptions, and economic strain worldwide, showing how interconnected it is.
If you're going to have "incentives" then you're gonna have to give something on the carrot side as well. It's not going to be reducing terrorism if you have a group of people who have nothing to lose.
The Us has been hands off on the Israel Palestine issue other than the fact all of the important weapons are coming from the US including dumb bombs, guidance kits, artillery shells, tank shells, hellfire missiles, missile defences etc. Totally not involved or in control when they literally replace every bomb Israel uses
@Agtsmirnoff you cant have it both ways, you cant supply all the weapons being used and pretend you arent involved and have no control. Then pretend it is different when all the weapons Hezbollah uses are Iranian
@@ArchesBro yes, it’s a very stupid argument to make. You can’t compare a para military organization to recognize state with a proper military. It’s fundamentally illegal to fund an arm, terrorist groups and nonstate actors
It suddenly struck me that all involved were once infants, then children, then teenagers and so on. They wipe their asses each morning like us all. But yet this sense of superiority. Utter madness. Where are we now; and where are we going?
The majority of Americans want no wars, energy independence, a secure border, efficient government, no poison in our foods, uncorrupt intelligent agencies and low taxes. What is wrong with all of that?
Because Gaza was a concentration camp in which fully 50% of its inhabitants were 18 years and younger. The majority of the victims in Gaza are children. The Professor’s attitude, his non chalance towards this slaughter of women and children is off putting to say the least. It is not a good war. It is a war to either expel the Palestinians or force them to accept living under apartheid in the Israeli state.
@@arktseytlin No, his solution, like Hamas' is wiping off the map the 2% land the Israelis have - after 2000 years of persecution. Most apologists MUST know that Hamas calculated how many non - fighters would die - and count on it for the response they got from the West. Who, like "their" own people, they care nothing for, and hate.
@jackshulz2024 To be clear....there are tons of Arab Israelis and they have their own party on the Israeli government. The Palestinians were invited multiple times to integrate into the Israeli state where they wouldnt be subject to fake Iranian proxy terrorist governing but of course that went against the Iranian agenda. The Iranians dont care about Palestinians either !
Ian was discussing the geopolitical aspect of the US government when mentioning a "good war." This was his objective perspective that a political researcher or any kind of researcher must have. When you research things scientifically, you must keep your biases, feeling or such away. It’s difficult to accept, but if you only hear analyses without such "cold-blooded" elements, they are often biased, likely one-sided and pointless.
Bremmer said China won't come close to their growth target, and he would be right except they recently just used a ton of debt for unhealthy/unproductive GDP growth to make sure they do... at least for now. Next year we'll see what happens
Good talk, good guest. I agree generally with most of what the guest said but I think I am on opposite side politically compared to the guest and Scott. This is one two primary things: First, I do not believe it is currently in the US strategic interest to be a "stabilizing" force in the world. I believe our actions have not been stabilizing since probably the early 2000s and it makes sense because we have already grown a lot economically and other countries are now catching up. Even with a slumping China they can still have more growth/year then a "booming" US. If we want to maintain our position as the dominant power, we must either destabilize other growing powers or look for a better growth strategy. Second, I disagree with you both on how we should view Israel. I think in this a bit of history adds a lot of color that I felt Scott in particular did not seem to be aware of. I think stating Isarel at any point since its creation was the smaller "David" of David vs Goliath is completely wrong. Israel was created with the primary support of Great Britain and then at some point (I am not sure when, my history is also lacking) the US became the main supporter after Britain became broke. Most of the Jews who moved to Israel came from western countries where (I am assuming, please correct me) they were doing well prior to the holocaust where they were massacred horificcally in one of the worst acts of violence in human history. That was most definitely a genocide enacted upon the Jewish people and also on many other peoples like the Romanis by the then German Govermennt. Many Jews move to Israel before, and specially during and after the holocaust from what I understand. I am saying that most of these Jews moved from wealth western countries where they were already educated and had wealth which they could bring with them to Israel. This is also why I respect Jews so much. They are incredibly focused and intelligent people who are able to persevere even in the relatively hostile enivronement of the west. But they brought all their money and western knowledge with them during the creation of Israel. in the 1940s I belive Israel could be claissified as a western jewish state. Especillay if you consider how so many of the inhabitants came from Britain, US, Europe and moved voluntarily with their money and knowledge. Not to mention they had continued support from US and Britain with huge amount of money, military aid, and most importantly access to western technologies. The difference between the West and the rest was a lot greater back then in the 40s and 50s and 60s and even 70s. Because Israel was always a western derived state, I believe it was never Israel as a David vs Arabs as Goliath. The arabs were much weaker than Israel back then. Now, the difference between them has gotten smaller and I believe the difference between two will continue to equalize. That is all I wanted to say.
On a historical note. Stalin asked for the bombing of Dresden. I think Stalin argued it was a Raiway pinch point that could send troops against Russia. Leaving aside if that is accurate or not Stalin was an ally doing most of the fighting. He was never going to be refused. That is why, not this other rubbish. Germany knew it lost by being overrun.
It's probably too early to call China's decline, it seems to have robust developments in many fronts. One can expect another one hundred years or two or more of growth if history can be a guide.
While it is true that the Chinese economy has not been growing at the rates that it did over the last few decades, its GDP will grow 4.8% in 2024, a growth rate higher than that of the US, which was the highest the G7 at 2.9%. The Russian growth rate also exceeded that of the US or Europe at 3.9%.
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Fact check: 45000 Palestinians were killed by Israel, 69% of them women and children; that’s 2% of the population of Gaza. Those are the direct deaths, when you include estimates of indirect deaths from disease it could be as high as 180,000 people. 1.9million out of 2 million people were forcibly displaced. 70% of all buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed. This war has the highest civilian toll combatant ratio of any war in the 21st century at 13:1. It had the highest kill rate since the Rwandan genocide. Call it for what it is, a genocide.
Where are you getting your numbers? You are way way off on your math. And as horrible as it is - it’s simply not a genocide -unless you are going to politicise the term and change the definition. You sound rational but it hides a lot of error.
It'd be a flawed premise, an armed group that uses the death of civilians to their advantage will, duh, lead to more civilian deaths in a war, that outcome doesn't say much about the intention of the opposite side, when you also take into account that it's a dense urban environment it's particularly hopeless, either you don't wage a war at all or there'd be a war with a lot of civilian casualties, if one side starts a war than the other side is forced to act in any case. Also the reference to the death of "children", i.e. age below 18, as somehow inherently civilian doesn't cohere to reality, i'd assume they don't follow typical guidelines, some 100 years ago anyone over the age of 14 was an adult, that'd be more their reality
"Good war" is a horrible term from PR perspective, but I think I get what they mean. They mean it was a right thing for US to enter on the side against Nazies. War is never "good" in the normal sense of the word.
I feel like these are conversations Americans need to be immersed into more, rather than ridiculous distractions from Trump. A lack of global leadership is hurting the planet and humanity. I wish our priorities would shift.
Given that, almost half of the US electorate, despite Trump's seriously transgressive and threatening rhetoric and ongoing disturbing decompensation in full public view, are still prepared to vote for him is ringing thundering bells across the globe. Trump is not a distraction he is a significant part of the problem and it he who has dismantled many of the guardrails that have existed since the end of WW2. It's therefore highly doubtful that these same Americans are capable of comprehending the issues or the stakes. Israel is a dot surrounded by the Arab World. There is no escaping that and Israel's actions have compounded the intractability of the mess they in large part created.
China has concentration camps. Just a reminder. I just got back from Berlin where I went to see Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp and was sick to my stomach as I learned what was going on. I've seen all the history, I knew about it, but seeing the conditions first hand made me want to puke a few times in a couple hours of a tour. These are still operating in China. Let's not forget who and what China is.
To think we've already forgotten the horrors of twentieth century. How can that be? To me it is madness. I've only read or watched documentaries. I cried several times reading the first chapter of Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl which goes into first hand detail about life in WWII German concentration camps. I had to stop reading several times. Can't imagine touring a place like that.
This must have been recorded before Trump punted Puerto Ricans and white women (52% WW for Trump in 2020, latest polling indicates a touch under 40% WW supporting Trump now, which is a huge drop)
Anti - West, along with Anti-Semitism, rampant now. Surprising few for now, but the infestation is coming. Decent, Liberal, democracy in on the ropes. 😞
It’s funny how no one talks this way about Gaza outside USA and UK. This blind spot is the biggest obstacle to 2 states and peace. Until people can come clean and admit the apartheid occupation is horrid and morally wrong we won’t see progress.
@@freekdeniro8623 75 years of 2% being attacked by the 98% around. Blind spot indeed. (and dozens of non-Israelis countries massacring each other all over - but you ONLY care about one? Yes - BLIND!)
I’m sorry but Bremmer is little more than an establishment mouthpiece. What that means is continued conflict throughout the world and at home. If the establishment had a better track record that would be one thing. Unfortunately they have had a terrible track record for at least the last 50 years.
I sure hope we can get past the trump era, and get back to a society where we treat reality as real, and facts as legitimate, and get rid of the continual spin doctors
"Ukraine went from a population of over 50 million to 40 million now"...Ian might want to read up on demographics, Ukraine's population over 50+ million was in early 90's and has declined every year since even not accounting for lost territory which if you'd exclude lead to numbers way below what he referred to, get basic facts correct if you intend to mention them at all
This guy has no clue at all about the Middle East, understands nothing about neither the Israeli nor the Arab mentality, but he speaks so confidently and reassured that anyone who knows as little as him will buy it easily.
@@victor0fwhat he confuses the Iranian attacks of April and October and the reasons behind each, calls performative an action that was pretty straight forward, thinks the White House had influence over Israeli decisions on those attacks (which didn't, nor since the war started) and doesn't understand the Israeli motivations, he sees it as a game and not as survival. Overall in this particular talk he didn't go deep into the Middle East but I have read him on Twitter and heard other interviews many times and as a person living in the Middle East can't avoid feeling embassy when he speaks with that sense of entitlement and authority taking wrong conclusions and assessments that usually take days to refute themselves. His knowledge of the internal Israeli or Arab polítics is too shallow, he tries to hide by making bold statements on intentions. I just realized now after listening to him so many times.
Ian is smart, therefore we know he's lying, rather than making innocent mistakes. Right from the first few sentences, I understood his position on the middle-eastern conflict. Dearborn Michigan was 30% Arabic in 2001, 45% Arabic in 2010 and 70% Arabic in 2022... Someone's preparing for the "new demographic" ;)
@@dillon4060 If you ever wondered how/why a 19 year old trans woman is wearing a Kaffiyeh and calling for Intifada: The democrats understood that while DEI is wonderful for captivating young, otherwise well-meaning, relatively intelligent people - DEI is a demographic disaster. Same-sex couples, mechanically castrated men and pro-abortion people vote Blue. What they don't do is reproduce. The democrats desperately needed an ally that can win elections in the long run.
Whatever animosity Indonesia feels against the US, they'll soon get over it. This recent warmth to China and BRICS is fashionable now and will be short-lived. The future is a western US/European centric world... China is a more direct threat and a main competitor to the Indonesians, and they are right in their backyard...
This guy's such a China hater. He's lying all day long that China is collapsing and going to hell, yet he's full of fear and hatred towards China? If you can't sell your lies sincerely you should quit talking 😂
I think a more reasonable explanation is that he’s trying to provide a zoomed out, dispassionate account. Not nefarious. That said, if you listen carefully, he does frequently say “we” and “us”.
The fact that Hamas says that wants to destroy Israel hut they don’t have the means can’t be considered as Genocide. Scott defends the israeli genocide saying that Hamas says they qant to destroy Israel. Makes no sense at all.
Whatever the Chinese say - you cannot take it at "fdace value" as they're more calculated than we are.....ultimately Ian Bremmer is being used to discuss their talking points through no fault of his own....but think about that if that's true - insanely high iq! If he says "he spent time with their people" then by default his talking points have been altered.....I mean comon do we really think it's coming from a benevolent position....anyone invested in a "democratic China" is mistaken and mislead BY DESIGN! They feed our ego's to their own ends and that's all they've ever done in all honesty! Show me differently macro perspective otherwise - we think in election cycles and they plan in decades!
Ian is such a solid individual, smart, humble, logical and a very good person. Mad respect, could listen to him all day
Bremmer continues to call balls and strikes like a proper newsman. It's been a minute since we've had one so good at laying out the facts while maintaining a neutral political position in reference to them. Respect.
He used to go on charlie rose a lot before that show got caught up in “me too” - glad prof G has brought bremmer in as a semi-regular
He's not a journalist, he's a political science consultant.
We don't usually converge on the truth (or at least a consistent story) until well after the facts emerge.
His long term perspective is nice to hear, as well as a perspective that's been conditioned by getting the right answer when it comes to predictions.
He is a proud 🖤🖤🖤 black king 🖤🖤🖤
I didn’t know Ian Bremmer had Armenian heritage. I’m Armenian myself. He’s one of my favorite semi regular guests you have on and his analysis is always so eye opening.
Same. I think Ian & Scott push each other in thoughtful eye opening ways.
No wonder he hates Israel so much lol
@@Agtsmirnoffhe is also part Syrian
@Agtsmirnoff That statement is as stupid as labeling every pro-Palestinian protester as pro-Hamas. Ian doesn't hate Israel, he's an objective observer - smth. ethnicity preoccupied nationalists can never wrap their head around (yes, I'm aware of different ethnic makeups of Israel BUT I'm also aware of different forms of discrimination towards eg Arab citizens of Israel, namely the zoning rules in the heart of "democracy " in the region).
@@MMM-my6ze almost every Palestinian supporter is pro Hamas
As a European, kind of shocked at the (level of) questions of Scott on the latest developments of the ground in Ukraine. Confirms the assertion of Ian that this is now truly a European war.
And how you can find Gaza/Lebanon a "good war" is beyond me. It's the exact opposite, diving the world between West and the rest.
Bravo! This is a Gold standard discussion. Thank you both🌷
Such an insightful and truthful talk. Thanks guys.
Insightful, but truthful ? Why don’t they talk gen0side ? That would bring out truth (who’s a bigot kinda truth …)
An actual real interview with someone who actually knows something about something. And his name doesn't suggest he's a deity.
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Gary Gerstle on Ezra Klein’s podcast offered a good framework for what’s going on, saying that we’re in the midst of the political economic order shifting from neoliberalism to something we can only loosely understand at this moment. But much of it seems so confusing because we have aspiring democratic capitalist nations intertwined through trade with deceptive kleptocratic regimes and conflicts that have bubbled up along various alliances.
Just found your podcast Scott. Really smart content. I also always enjoy Ian Bremmer. Looking forward to seeing more of the same. Cheers!
Love, love, love these conversations between Scott and Ian Bremmer - essential viewing!
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Best take Elon I've hears in a while here from Ian, kudos!
Listen to Scott’s ‘mmhmm’ whenever Ian isn’t 100% pro-Israel. Really is Scott’s blind spot.
Israel bad!!
He only has one?
Scott’s mother is Hebrew…hence, so is he…
Yeah kind of... which makes it all the more important to have guests like this on with a view that doesn't 100% align with Scott's. Scott's getting news from outside his bubble, thats a good thing!!!
This really. He lives in London. Plenty of opportunities to hear the other side
I have great respect for Ian Bremmer, but find his way of speaking collides diametrically with my capacity to listen. In stark contrast to my ability to absorb other podcasts or even this one with other guests, I keep having to rewind a minute to catch what he said. Genuinely interested in whether it’s just me and my ADHD - ? Does anyone else have this experience listening to Ian?
Nope
No. It’s dense information. Most people today have short attention spans due to social media and TV
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Absolutely not.
@@FrankReynolds-y1y rich coming from a 5 foot tall italian
Really felt like I learned something
G-South is full of the smart and competent leaders, they play peaceful very well for their own people, instead of the rich only like in USA.
Happy with both of them closings speech especially Bremmer - who cares about money - we're RED WHITE AND BLUE and let's give our progeny a better chance in this world - NOT WORSEEEEEE!
Ian is authentic and straightforward. Subscribed. Thank you.
very enlightening
Please study Bruce Lipton and Ernesto Sirolli . From the bottom up to the Leaders -to be positive and Let there be Peace. No more War. Thanks
Apparently the first use of the term: "The first successful use of the technique was on 6 May 1943, at the end of the Tunisia Campaign. Carried out under Sir Arthur Tedder, it was hailed by the press as Tedder's bomb-carpet (or Tedder's carpet). The bombing was concentrated in a four by three-mile area, preparing the way for the First Army." -Wiki
I always find it funny the international norms is applied only when it is western countries and their intrest. And then they complain that we are not being taken seriously.
Hypocrites ! Disgusting 🤮
Thats what happens after you win a world war, most often empires in history are a lot less nice.
What a treat to listen to this; thank you
Respect commentary
Very interesting!
11:01 - this conflict is the most immediate threat. Russia’s invasion threatens to destabilize Europe and has embolden other authoritarian regimes to disregard international law, leading to global insecurity. We forget, the conflict has triggered energy crises, supply chain disruptions, and economic strain worldwide, showing how interconnected it is.
You should blame these two elites.
Exactly, only the West should be bold enough to disregard international law.
Expansion of NATO dude. Russia was cornered. Learn something new and turn off the media propaganda.
@@stud6414 No - the blame lies squarely on uninformed stupidity, which is rampant everywhere. Slightly less here.
Errr… you mean American invasion of Ukraine in 2014 ? That’s when war broke out … Russia joined later …
My enemy's enemy is a friend, there is only interests, today friends serve interest, tomorrow friends serve enemy.
Ian Bremmer - "I guess Trump will win by a really slim margin" - Amazing, how accurate this was.
If you're going to have "incentives" then you're gonna have to give something on the carrot side as well. It's not going to be reducing terrorism if you have a group of people who have nothing to lose.
Great discussion and analysis ❤
it is funny as hell when Ian talking about China
The Us has been hands off on the Israel Palestine issue other than the fact all of the important weapons are coming from the US including dumb bombs, guidance kits, artillery shells, tank shells, hellfire missiles, missile defences etc. Totally not involved or in control when they literally replace every bomb Israel uses
And?
@Agtsmirnoff you cant have it both ways, you cant supply all the weapons being used and pretend you arent involved and have no control. Then pretend it is different when all the weapons Hezbollah uses are Iranian
@ you’re comparing a paramilitary group to an internationally recognized state
@@Agtsmirnoff Is that really your attempt to counter my argument? Pathetic
@@ArchesBro yes, it’s a very stupid argument to make. You can’t compare a para military organization to recognize state with a proper military.
It’s fundamentally illegal to fund an arm, terrorist groups and nonstate actors
Great discussion. Thoughtful and fair.
10 days after the election, this is a great time capsule. Please can we have this Scott back?
Gives Trump way too much credit for having policy about anything.
Trump doesn’t need policies, he’s a continuation of 2019 and what most people want to get back to
Because he isn't an expert in these things? Or because you're the expert?
@ he doesn’t read and has very little experience in policy. and he goes through advisors faster then he went through strippers
Bremmer is the man who said that Putin would not invade Ukraine just before Putin invaded Ukraine.
It suddenly struck me that all involved were once infants, then children, then teenagers and so on. They wipe their asses each morning like us all. But yet this sense of superiority. Utter madness. Where are we now; and where are we going?
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About 40 m people lived in Ukraine before the war and currently it’s about 30 m.
What an insightful pod! 10/10
Geez so shocking Indonesia mentioned.. 😅
Hello Scott, I'm from Indonesia btw
The majority of Americans want no wars, energy independence, a secure border, efficient government, no poison in our foods, uncorrupt intelligent agencies and low taxes. What is wrong with all of that?
Great conversation!
Because Gaza was a concentration camp in which fully 50% of its inhabitants were 18 years and younger.
The majority of the victims in Gaza are children.
The Professor’s attitude, his non chalance towards this slaughter of women and children is off putting to say the least. It is not a good war. It is a war to either expel the Palestinians or force them to accept living under apartheid in the Israeli state.
Hamas killed 2 state solution. And Israel isn't going anywhere. So sounds like your option 2 will be the status quo.
@@arktseytlin No, his solution, like Hamas' is wiping off the map the 2% land the Israelis have - after 2000 years of persecution. Most apologists MUST know that Hamas calculated how many non - fighters would die - and count on it for the response they got from the West.
Who, like "their" own people, they care nothing for, and hate.
@jackshulz2024 To be clear....there are tons of Arab Israelis and they have their own party on the Israeli government. The Palestinians were invited multiple times to integrate into the Israeli state where they wouldnt be subject to fake Iranian proxy terrorist governing but of course that went against the Iranian agenda. The Iranians dont care about Palestinians either !
Scott’s a pro-lsraeli racist …
Ian was discussing the geopolitical aspect of the US government when mentioning a "good war." This was his objective perspective that a political researcher or any kind of researcher must have. When you research things scientifically, you must keep your biases, feeling or such away. It’s difficult to accept, but if you only hear analyses without such "cold-blooded" elements, they are often biased, likely one-sided and pointless.
Bremmer said China won't come close to their growth target, and he would be right except they recently just used a ton of debt for unhealthy/unproductive GDP growth to make sure they do... at least for now. Next year we'll see what happens
Honestly so disappointing on Scotts bias and lack of criticism of Israel. Sure I get he's Jewish but thats not really a valid excuse.
Scott G went from headlining the totally failed CNN+ to hosting an equally failing podcast. LOVE IT!
Scott wants to be famous so badly it’s making him crazy
It's pronounced "Bru-nai" not "Bru-ney"
Why do you think, that China doesn´t know about Russian-Korean treaty? And why do you think China does not support the sebding of troops?
"They need to know they lost" and surrender. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and even West Bank residents don't want Gazans as neighbors. What does that say?
Bremmer is so refreshing in his fair and straightforward assessment of Israel.
Good talk, good guest. I agree generally with most of what the guest said but I think I am on opposite side politically compared to the guest and Scott. This is one two primary things:
First, I do not believe it is currently in the US strategic interest to be a "stabilizing" force in the world. I believe our actions have not been stabilizing since probably the early 2000s and it makes sense because we have already grown a lot economically and other countries are now catching up. Even with a slumping China they can still have more growth/year then a "booming" US. If we want to maintain our position as the dominant power, we must either destabilize other growing powers or look for a better growth strategy.
Second, I disagree with you both on how we should view Israel. I think in this a bit of history adds a lot of color that I felt Scott in particular did not seem to be aware of. I think stating Isarel at any point since its creation was the smaller "David" of David vs Goliath is completely wrong. Israel was created with the primary support of Great Britain and then at some point (I am not sure when, my history is also lacking) the US became the main supporter after Britain became broke. Most of the Jews who moved to Israel came from western countries where (I am assuming, please correct me) they were doing well prior to the holocaust where they were massacred horificcally in one of the worst acts of violence in human history. That was most definitely a genocide enacted upon the Jewish people and also on many other peoples like the Romanis by the then German Govermennt. Many Jews move to Israel before, and specially during and after the holocaust from what I understand. I am saying that most of these Jews moved from wealth western countries where they were already educated and had wealth which they could bring with them to Israel. This is also why I respect Jews so much. They are incredibly focused and intelligent people who are able to persevere even in the relatively hostile enivronement of the west. But they brought all their money and western knowledge with them during the creation of Israel. in the 1940s I belive Israel could be claissified as a western jewish state. Especillay if you consider how so many of the inhabitants came from Britain, US, Europe and moved voluntarily with their money and knowledge. Not to mention they had continued support from US and Britain with huge amount of money, military aid, and most importantly access to western technologies.
The difference between the West and the rest was a lot greater back then in the 40s and 50s and 60s and even 70s. Because Israel was always a western derived state, I believe it was never Israel as a David vs Arabs as Goliath. The arabs were much weaker than Israel back then. Now, the difference between them has gotten smaller and I believe the difference between two will continue to equalize. That is all I wanted to say.
Ian's seein' like he always does. Hook 'hm up to the right artificial intelligence & get a lot better idea about the future. You know it's comin'.
Ian’s soft thesis was spot on; ex ante.
On a historical note. Stalin asked for the bombing of Dresden. I think Stalin argued it was a Raiway pinch point that could send troops against Russia. Leaving aside if that is accurate or not Stalin was an ally doing most of the fighting. He was never going to be refused. That is why, not this other rubbish. Germany knew it lost by being overrun.
I'm curious, what is CHINA'S position on Gaza?
Excellent interview ❤💯
We did throw the bums out. Trump was thrown out of office. He isn't a change president. People aren't dumb.
Take a step back and revisit your assumptions. You may see things differently if you do.
@KK-pm7ud no..... trumps a traitor
Kamala isn’t either, she’s a continuation of Biden, which has been an utter failure on all level levels
@@Kilroy-h5u Kamala and Biden opened the border, that’s treason
It's probably too early to call China's decline, it seems to have robust developments in many fronts. One can expect another one hundred years or two or more of growth if history can be a guide.
Always enjoy these two. Great and thoughtful conversation.
Great discussion.
While it is true that the Chinese economy has not been growing at the rates that it did over the last few decades, its GDP will grow 4.8% in 2024, a growth rate higher than that of the US, which was the highest the G7 at 2.9%.
The Russian growth rate also exceeded that of the US or Europe at 3.9%.
US has a bigger economy than China so overall we still grow by more
great guest!
Thank you, The Post who had main journal murdered
Ian highly respect
Dear Prof,
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The thing with this established types is they lie so much that you strain to even hear the truth 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ I think they actually believe the bullshit
Fact check: 45000 Palestinians were killed by Israel, 69% of them women and children; that’s 2% of the population of Gaza. Those are the direct deaths, when you include estimates of indirect deaths from disease it could be as high as 180,000 people. 1.9million out of 2 million people were forcibly displaced. 70% of all buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed. This war has the highest civilian toll combatant ratio of any war in the 21st century at 13:1. It had the highest kill rate since the Rwandan genocide. Call it for what it is, a genocide.
Where are you getting your numbers?
You are way way off on your math.
And as horrible as it is - it’s simply not a genocide -unless you are going to politicise the term and change the definition.
You sound rational but it hides a lot of error.
@@existentialvoid en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
It'd be a flawed premise, an armed group that uses the death of civilians to their advantage will, duh, lead to more civilian deaths in a war, that outcome doesn't say much about the intention of the opposite side, when you also take into account that it's a dense urban environment it's particularly hopeless, either you don't wage a war at all or there'd be a war with a lot of civilian casualties, if one side starts a war than the other side is forced to act in any case. Also the reference to the death of "children", i.e. age below 18, as somehow inherently civilian doesn't cohere to reality, i'd assume they don't follow typical guidelines, some 100 years ago anyone over the age of 14 was an adult, that'd be more their reality
LMAO the children were pregnant, including the boys, all of them identified as journalists as well
Neither Scott will (his mother is Jewish) and Ian’s a public figure that tries to interpret things for Americans rather than take a moral view …
My grandfather had soft thesis' too. Kamala for the win!
Ian said WW2 was a good war, wow
"Good war" is a horrible term from PR perspective, but I think I get what they mean. They mean it was a right thing for US to enter on the side against Nazies.
War is never "good" in the normal sense of the word.
I stopped following Bremmer's work because of his myopic view on Israel,
now I am just waiting for him to join UNRWA
Typical nazi language
The country that acts without any constraints of international laws and norms is Israel and America is the enabler. It's not Iran or North Korea.
I feel like these are conversations Americans need to be immersed into more, rather than ridiculous distractions from Trump. A lack of global leadership is hurting the planet and humanity. I wish our priorities would shift.
Given that, almost half of the US electorate, despite Trump's seriously transgressive and threatening rhetoric and ongoing disturbing decompensation in full public view, are still prepared to vote for him is ringing thundering bells across the globe. Trump is not a distraction he is a significant part of the problem and it he who has dismantled many of the guardrails that have existed since the end of WW2. It's therefore highly doubtful that these same Americans are capable of comprehending the issues or the stakes.
Israel is a dot surrounded by the Arab World. There is no escaping that and Israel's actions have compounded the intractability of the mess they in large part created.
China has concentration camps. Just a reminder. I just got back from Berlin where I went to see Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp and was sick to my stomach as I learned what was going on. I've seen all the history, I knew about it, but seeing the conditions first hand made me want to puke a few times in a couple hours of a tour.
These are still operating in China.
Let's not forget who and what China is.
To think we've already forgotten the horrors of twentieth century. How can that be? To me it is madness. I've only read or watched documentaries. I cried several times reading the first chapter of Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl which goes into first hand detail about life in WWII German concentration camps. I had to stop reading several times. Can't imagine touring a place like that.
Day 44: Please bring on Gary Stevenson (Garys Economics)! Thanks!
+1
This must have been recorded before Trump punted Puerto Ricans and white women (52% WW for Trump in 2020, latest polling indicates a touch under 40% WW supporting Trump now, which is a huge drop)
Stop with the moral war BS.
So Indonesia is ignoring chinas treatment of their own Muslim population? It’s hilarious
Anti - West, along with Anti-Semitism, rampant now. Surprising few for now, but the infestation is coming. Decent, Liberal, democracy in on the ropes. 😞
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It’s funny how no one talks this way about Gaza outside USA and UK. This blind spot is the biggest obstacle to 2 states and peace. Until people can come clean and admit the apartheid occupation is horrid and morally wrong we won’t see progress.
Disgusting how people still claim morality after Oct. 7th
@@usbconnections that's due to 75yrs before Oct 7! You're another example of the blind spot being real.
@@freekdeniro8623 Yada fucking yada 75 years later. Get over it and build your society and stop blaming Israel.
@@freekdeniro8623 75 years of 2% being attacked by the 98% around.
Blind spot indeed. (and dozens of non-Israelis countries massacring each other all over - but you ONLY care about one? Yes - BLIND!)
@23:17 Harris interested in the rule of law? Is Bremer serious?
OMG - Hamas supporter on a rare site that promotes sanity.
Only chants of "poor children murdered" allowed?
I’m sorry but Bremmer is little more than an establishment mouthpiece. What that means is continued conflict throughout the world and at home. If the establishment had a better track record that would be one thing. Unfortunately they have had a terrible track record for at least the last 50 years.
Both Scott and Ian are pro-Western racists …
Scott you should get Peter Zeihan on. He is great and has a unique perspective.
No. Peter Z is a colossal joke. He should do everyone a favor and get lost while hiking in Colorado.
Wounded Knee Massacre
At any sake
And where did this more dangerous world start? I wod argue 2008
2021
I sure hope we can get past the trump era, and get back to a society where we treat reality as real, and facts as legitimate, and get rid of the continual spin doctors
You mean how people like Biden and Kamala want us to believe men are women and women are men?
"Ukraine went from a population of over 50 million to 40 million now"...Ian might want to read up on demographics, Ukraine's population over 50+ million was in early 90's and has declined every year since even not accounting for lost territory which if you'd exclude lead to numbers way below what he referred to, get basic facts correct if you intend to mention them at all
Did the host actualy said the Israeli war is good? Why is Ian talking to such podcasts?
Try to understand the other side of the argument if you believe you have enough moral high ground to disdain it.
Yes, Scott’s a pro-lsraeli racist …
This guy has no clue at all about the Middle East, understands nothing about neither the Israeli nor the Arab mentality, but he speaks so confidently and reassured that anyone who knows as little as him will buy it easily.
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They just pretend :: “fake it until they make it” is their dogma 😂
In your vast knowledge, care to make an actual point on what he got wrong?
@@victor0fwhat Trolls don't think.
@@victor0fwhat he confuses the Iranian attacks of April and October and the reasons behind each, calls performative an action that was pretty straight forward, thinks the White House had influence over Israeli decisions on those attacks (which didn't, nor since the war started) and doesn't understand the Israeli motivations, he sees it as a game and not as survival. Overall in this particular talk he didn't go deep into the Middle East but I have read him on Twitter and heard other interviews many times and as a person living in the Middle East can't avoid feeling embassy when he speaks with that sense of entitlement and authority taking wrong conclusions and assessments that usually take days to refute themselves. His knowledge of the internal Israeli or Arab polítics is too shallow, he tries to hide by making bold statements on intentions. I just realized now after listening to him so many times.
Ian is smart, therefore we know he's lying, rather than making innocent mistakes. Right from the first few sentences, I understood his position on the middle-eastern conflict.
Dearborn Michigan was 30% Arabic in 2001, 45% Arabic in 2010 and 70% Arabic in 2022... Someone's preparing for the "new demographic" ;)
Arab, not Arabic m0r0n
How do you mean?
Silly comment. Ian has a massive client base all over the world. He doesn't need to pander.
@@dillon4060 If you ever wondered how/why a 19 year old trans woman is wearing a Kaffiyeh and calling for Intifada: The democrats understood that while DEI is wonderful for captivating young, otherwise well-meaning, relatively intelligent people - DEI is a demographic disaster.
Same-sex couples, mechanically castrated men and pro-abortion people vote Blue.
What they don't do is reproduce.
The democrats desperately needed an ally that can win elections in the long run.
"I never realized how bad autocracy could be."
Truly naive.
I wonder how Ian knows what Kamala thinks about anything at all.. let alone Palestine.
How could he if she doesn’t herself.
American talking about violent crime in China where woman can walk around any part of any city at any hour of the day completely safely 🤣🤣🤣
Can she walk around midday asking people why xi jingping shouldn't be kicked out office? Would she be safe if she did that for a few days?
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Whatever animosity Indonesia feels against the US, they'll soon get over it. This recent warmth to China and BRICS is fashionable now and will be short-lived.
The future is a western US/European centric world...
China is a more direct threat and a main competitor to the Indonesians, and they are right in their backyard...
This guy's such a China hater. He's lying all day long that China is collapsing and going to hell, yet he's full of fear and hatred towards China? If you can't sell your lies sincerely you should quit talking 😂
The telling thing for me with Bremner is he says "The Americans" and not "us"...
I think a more reasonable explanation is that he’s trying to provide a zoomed out, dispassionate account. Not nefarious.
That said, if you listen carefully, he does frequently say “we” and “us”.
Between 29:00 and 29:40 for example he says “The Americans” once and then follows with like 10+ “we”s
He is being clear in what he's saying. If he says the word "us" it would be unclear who he is referring to at times.
His consultancy is global, and his clients global. Why would he say "us."? Duh.
The fact that Hamas says that wants to destroy Israel hut they don’t have the means can’t be considered as Genocide. Scott defends the israeli genocide saying that Hamas says they qant to destroy Israel. Makes no sense at all.
love these, but if yall could go ahead and just talk in 2x speed so I don't have to change it i'm my settings 😇
Something's off about this selection it ended so quickly happened so fast I am not a sore loser but something doesn't smell right
Ian is blinded by the 90's liberal fear of Blowback that he lets it paralyze rational action.
Whatever the Chinese say - you cannot take it at "fdace value" as they're more calculated than we are.....ultimately Ian Bremmer is being used to discuss their talking points through no fault of his own....but think about that if that's true - insanely high iq! If he says "he spent time with their people" then by default his talking points have been altered.....I mean comon do we really think it's coming from a benevolent position....anyone invested in a "democratic China" is mistaken and mislead BY DESIGN! They feed our ego's to their own ends and that's all they've ever done in all honesty! Show me differently macro perspective otherwise - we think in election cycles and they plan in decades!
Scott is arrogant