The Expanse - Eros moves
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- From S2E4 "Godspeed"
The entire area has been quarantined - nobody aside from Miller and the crew of the Rocinante are anywhere near Eros. The alien protomolecule has decimated everything inside the station, leaving everyone dead and the walls coated in alien goo. But as the massive ship Nauvoo approaches to knock the infected Eros into the sun, at the moment of impact - Eros moves out of the way.
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To be fair, I would’ve dodged like hell if I see a Mormon making a beeline for me.
LMAO!!!
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@@D.M.S. too be faaaaaair
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Navou: We just want to talk to you about jeeesus.
Eros: I'm outta here.
Even Aliens hate mormons
This is the best comment here
@@abdou9888 of all time
Next week on: "How to miss a 5 mile wide asteroid with the world's largest flying church..."
5 mile? Eros is 34X11kms (20X6 miles)
@@sparrowlt Next week on: How to miss a *_20 mile wide asteroid_* with the world's largest flying church
@@iliketrains0pwned rofl
Tonight, on Top Drive, I commit warcrimes against civilian ships, Hammond tries to blow up a huge ass asteroid with nukes and James tries to impress a girl by going faster than anyone before.
Like Captain Slow would be trying to do that
Pity they didn't include Miller hearing Julie scream "Don't Fucking Touch Me!" right before Eros makes its dodge as it happened in the book, but that scream itself is pretty chilling.
Glad they didn't include that, sounds really corny. The ethereal whispering of the thousands of trapped souls on Eros was much creepier and more fitting.
@@DoctorDoomsPvP the way it’s described in the book is not at all corny tho, it’s like all of the voices whispering, getting louder and angry as the nauvoo approaches, before eros shouts over the radio ‘DON’T FUCKING TOUCH ME!’ right when the nauvoo should have hit it. The series is much more tame looking back. Still love em both tho
@@DoctorDoomsPvP it's mostly for foreshadowing. That's the first HUGE clue as to what really happens to the infected. Also the way it's written, when i read it i genuinely felt like i was watching a movie, so it's kinda sad to not see it done justice.
@@DoctorDoomsPvP well, she is the one in control
Lol, that would've sound so campy, good they didn't do that.
I love how the voices in Eros all scream as the realise The Nauvoo is about to hit and they instinctively move out of the way.
In the book it just went with "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ME" im not even joking
@@didekjozwiak Those self defense lessons really payed off for Julie Mao.
@@didekjozwiak I love the show, but I wish they'd kept with that. I guess it may have seemed a little cheesy in a TV show, but in the book it gave me goosebumps.
@@didekjozwiak that was one of my favorite parts of the book
What else would you do if you saw a flying Mormon church coming to you?
"If you can dodge an LDS Generation Ship, you can dodge a ball..."
You sir, are a man of Culture!
What?
Bang!
@@skeewiffenator Son, you're about as useful as a cock-flavored lollipop.
This scene is good, but the little detail of Naomi's tears pooling at the base of her eye in zero-g instead of falling straight down is nice.
And in later season, Tilly's tears. They're real good at this.
It's not exactly zero-g, the ship is still under thrust, but it's not accelerating very quickly. Maybe 0.3 gs, maybe lower still.
EXCUSE ME SIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT KINETIC AND GRAVITATIONAL POTENTIAL ENERGY?
"OK, so we broke a few laws of physics here"
@@sparrowlt In the book, they make a big deal out of the fact that Eros as a whole warmed up an appreciable amount after the maneuver. Everyone found this reassuring, as teleporting or inertialess movement without obvious energy source is incredibly scary, but the heat release at least means the protomolecule is bound by thermodynamics, even if we don't understand the power source. It's the difference between being up against magic and being up against God.
EROS: Nah, we don't believe that here
@@jarowan For its next trick, Eros will disappear from sensors.
@@eds1942 for the finale, it will keep on accelerating till it hit home.
This show has a rewatch capability that you can only find in half hour sitcoms . Rare. Super Rare.
I think a lot of great dramas have plenty of incredibly rewatchable scenes, but I agree _Expanse_ has even more than most!
Couldn't. Agree. More. I repeat watch a dozen or so sitcoms...over and over. And only ONE hour-long drama...you guessed it...THE EXPANSE. 😊
I think that this scene was actually better in the show than it was in the book. Subtle difference but in the book, Miller figures out for himself that Eros dodged the Navuoo, and he does so immediately. I like the way the show handles this; it’s a little more shocking to hear Holden explain it to Miller like that.
I also love the fact that right before they cut to Miller you can see the crew of the Rocinante go from teary resignation to "Oh fuck that's not right."
I wish the visuals lined up with the book. It should have been a massive drive plume in the sky like a comet with tiny dot in the middle, with incredible closing speeds. And eros didn't just move out of the way, it teleported a short distance.
A lot of the show didn't quite line up with the books... but it's mostly ok. The parts I have the most problem with was Season 4 Chrisjen Avasarala. In the book, she was a civil servant that knows her value and her power, she knows how to wield power. The series made her look like a politicians that play bad politics, which I do not understand. All those plot points can be just as easily be done without making her look so out of character. She is even more out of character then Season 1 Holden.
@@biocapsule7311 season 1 Holden made me drop the show. Glad, I finally picked up the book.
@@martophrenia I eagerly await the last book.
This scene literally scared the crap out of me
Ew!
Space is scary
Same
I just got full body chills from watching this, feeling the fear
It’s like “oh shit, it’s alive... what do we do now?!”
When the giant stone dodges the ship you know it's no joke.
Everybody gangsta 'till Eros shows up ininvited.
When the radio transmission starts with "Guys?!?!" you know it's not going to be good news :D
im glad i had not readed the book when i watched this first time..
when the Naboo is about to hit i was somehow convinced it was gonna miss somehow by some plot or some sabotage form someone (Fred, OPA someone from Protogen, Earth black ops, Mars, you name it) and was not surprised it "veered off" .. but seconds later i had to pick my jaw from the floor when Holden says the words "it didnt moved...Eros did"
If a transmission begins with a guy you thought died saying "Guys..." you're really in trouble
@@sparrowlt I've decided, I'm not going to read the books until the show is finished just so I don't have to constantly think "They missed this and that" while reading along with the show.
@@R4Y2k i see.. the big problem with that is avoiding spoilers from the books for several years.. last book comes next year.. and even if Amazon goes full-on season per year without missing or delays it would still be 6 years to do all 9.. meaning a 5 year gap
@@sparrowlt Well, since you put it that way; Ordering the books right now :P
That moment when The Expanse went from an excellent series to a HOLY SHIT THIS SHOW IS FUCKING BRILLIANT series. 😂😂😨😲
YES!
So like, the thing that I'm most amazed by in the scene is the display showing how fast the Nauvoo is going. That is measuring in KILOMETERS per second. That is roughly 6 percent the speed of light. The Nauvoo weighs in at around 100 million tons. The energy required to move that thing at such speeds is insane. I'm almost more impressed with the Epstein Drive than the protomolecule tbh. I did some rough calcs on the kinetic energy the ship would have if it hit Eros. Lets just say I understand why the protomolecule REALLY wanted to get out of the way there. I don't think there would be enough of Eros left to be knocked into the sun.
I just tested this in Universe Sandbox 2 and you're completely right.
Yea, ya dont want protomolecule in the sun though…
gotta remember that its a relative speed, so it may be relative to, perhaps, the sun instead of eros. however its hard to tell
which really kills my immersion when this kilometers-long ship looks like it's slowly looming upon Miller despite going 0.06c. It should just be an intensely bright dot in te distance that suddenly flashes past whan Eros dodges.
@@dsdy1205
One thing The Expanse really does not do well, for all its other hard-sci-fi wins, is *scale*. Things travel around the solar system waaaay too fast even for the Epstein drive, and then there's things like this
1:14 - Amos speaking for the whole of the human species
I swear this was the moment that shocked me the most I just thought it was like a virus not a living organism
I thought it was like a living organism, not something that could BEND PHYSICS ON A PLANETARY SCALE
@@musicalaviator true
Notice the interior, when Miller gets there, looks exactly like the neuron connections in a brain.
At 0:42, literally less than a second before the cut to the Nauvoo flyby, there is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment of Naomi, Holden and Amos reacting to the Nauvoo's dodge. Holy crap, what attention to detail!
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@@Salamibagel what a great catch, ey?!
holy shit you're right
the pure look of "that looks wrong"
"Can't catch the Razorback", eh Julie?
When I started watching The Expanse I wasn’t that much into it but I paid attention from the start. At first I would be watching one episode in 3 days but after this scene, my interest and my curiosity about this show rose dramatically, I almost bingewatched the rest of the series and now that it’s over I’ve turned to the novels. I just finished Leviathan Wakes and I ordered Caliban’s War. This series is criminally unpopular imo.
They're all on audible I recommend them on there i listened to them at work
The confusion and horror in Holden's voice when he realizes that the laws of physics just flew out of the window...
And Miller's brain goes for the least impossible option of what just happened. A generation ship changing course like that is about 99% impossible whereas Eros (unpowered) changing course is 99.99% impossible, especially when paired with the fact that their was no apparent g-force.
exactly! for that to happen in a fraction of a second Miller and Eros would have to be reduced to an ash cloud@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming
I loved this scene, but I really would have wished they animated it to accurately reflect the speeds in play.
I think about that too, but wouldn't the Nauvoo be visible for basically 1 frame in that case? I'm willing to accept the lack of realism for those dramatic reflections in Miller's visor :)
Ye, that's something I just thought about when re-watching. I think it would've been more shocking (even for non-sciency viewers) if the camera watched from Miller's perspective on Eros and did a zoom to see the Nauvoo, a bright beacon hundreds of miles away and then followed it get closer for about 10 seconds while Miller talks (from his viewpoint). But then right as he stops and then Nauvoo is almost about to fill the frame, that's when Eros moves, but it does so in a twisted way and the Nauvoo flies past.
Agreed. They could have slowed it down or done an almost classroom-esque play-by-play to show how fast they were going and how quickly the rock turned away to show the impact of the whole thint
If you pause at 1:09 you can see the Nauvoo telemetry readout - 20,118km/sec (and climbing) - if my calcs are correct the Nauvoo is hauling arse at almost 7% speed of light! At that speed Miller would definitely have missed it if he'd blinked... 😁
I kinda wish they kept the impact scene from the book. Just before the Navoo hits, Miller hears Jullie shout *"DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ME!!"* and the whole asteroid just shifts over like in the show
If i remember correctly in book Eros jumped few hundred kilometers side, way before hit. They wouldn't even see each other with naked eye. TV show made it more showy but less amazing.
@@KrzysztofDerecki "Guys? you still there? you fucking disappeared!"
Holden: "No, Eros just disappeared!!!"
* Both stare at empty space *
Part of the problem may have been that in the book, it's not identified as Julie's voice, allowing for that secret to remain and only become apparent in hindsight. In the show, it would be a lot harder to hide that fact. I don't think Miller had ever heard Julie speak by that point so it would make sense that he wouldn't have recognized her voice.
Amos has seen just about everything, and even he was dumbstruck by the event!
I'm sad that there wasn't the "don't you fucking touch me" from eros/julie
Reasons The Expanse is a show different from the others
This was the moment the show had finally got me hooked. Granted I was enjoying it before, but it was yet to scratch 'that' itch that makes something a favourite show.
"DON'T YOU FUCKING TOUCH ME!!"
I hope everyone gets the reference.
What's the significance of that line?
@@sting2death2 That's what Eros-or rather the Protomolecule, using the subverted mind of Julie Mao-screams when the Nauvoo is about to ram it. Eros promptly shifts out of the way.
@@evanhunt1863 Thanks! Read up about it some more after, that's pretty cool to an already oh shit moment.
@@sting2death2 Hell yeah. In fact, it's expertly positioned by the author to start the "oh shit" moment, right after the line:
"Eros shouted."
Still don't understand why Milled couldn't just put a piece of tape on the button or something.
It's a fingerprint sensor
He could, you can see him later asking Julie to keep her finger on button while he takes off space suit. Anyway book gives a beter explanation. Miller wanted to die, wanted to meet Julie - which he knew is on Eros, and of course wanted to save Earth. The bomb was fine. Plan was to deliver it to the core of Eros, where its power come, and detonate bomb there so Eros would hopefully stop accelerating thowards Earth. They were afraid Eros may defend itself and attack Miller on the way, so they deliberately programed bomb to go off after 5 seconds if Miller won't reset counter.
@@KrzysztofDerecki 5 seconds in the book. 1 minute in the show.
@@null6629oh. Yeah. For the fingerprints in the vacuum suit
The bomb may have been programmed so a steady push isn't enough, the button has to change state during that time limit. It's not a dead man switch if something dead can still keep it active.
Eros: physicists hate this is one neat trick!
*breaks physics*
Miller didn't even feel the asteroid he was on accelerating, even though he had to have made at least a 90 degree turn along with the rock.
It seems the protomolecule doesn't care about physics
"You wouldn't steal a Mormon interstellar spacecraft..."
When physics is like, imma head out
I would love to see an edit of this scene where after the Nauvoo misses it just cuts to the “Directed by Robert B. Weide” meme.
As realistic as the show is the Navou took several seconds to pass what should have been a blink as the ship and the asteroids are moving at many thousands of miles an hour on different headings!
I haven't seen the show, but I wanted to see this clip after reading the book. I'm disappointed there was no "don't fucking touch me" scream, but the shot where there's the statue of Moroni and it zooms out is so fucking good lmao.
Miller: "Goddamnit Holden, you can't hit the broadside of an asteroid with a giant church/spaceship! Are you a stormtrooper?"
I do believe the speed of the nauvoo at 19000kmps was a little fuck up on the part of the expanse people... A mass of 1kg going 19000kmps would have the same kinetic energy as that of a 40 kt tnt nuke... Considering that the orbital velocity of eros is about 25 kmps and the nauvoo weighs millions of tons if not more, it would obliterate eros into a million pieces scattering the protomolecule all over the system instead of pushing it into the sun
It would have still pushed it retrograde though right? Like nothing would go faster in it's orbit? Some would go back, some sunward, some skyward. But mostly retrograde. I'm sure you are right and some would get out around the solar system but hey, film magic.
"So, uh, we broke a few laws of physics here"
It would be so fantastic to watch this show for the first time again. Shit like this was so amazing.
A great scene but I thought the book did it better. Julies scream of "Don't you fucking touch me!" to Amos and Naomi trying to do the math on Eros changing it's own course.
So book 1 of the expanse is a season and a half?
Yeah...the first few seasons don't really match the books, even though The Investigator showing up would have been the perfect cliffhanger - or even post-credits sequence - for the end of Season 3.
IIRC:
Book 1 = S1E1 - S2E5
Book 2 = S2E6 - S3E6
Book 3 = S3E7 - S3E13
Book 4 + half of Book 5 = Season 4(...?)
I actually think all that stuff with Marco doesn't eat into the content of Nemesis Games, it just gives some background in the run up to it.
@@SpaceMonke99 It was also a way to keep a lot of the cast on screen. Drummer and Draper are not mentioned in Cibola Burn. Avasarala is mentioned very briefly.
I figure that they wanted to make sure that they had budget, and it gave a more time for world building.
I still get goosebumps from this moment.
god bless this show
This scene was a twist! Well done!!
This scene scared me a lot.
If Eros had had a large doorbell, the Mormon ship wouldn’t have missed!
This was insane
Nauvoo: “do you have time to talk about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ?”
Eros: *“no”*
Not having Julie scream dont fucking touch me is a sad exclusion
many people in the comment section, including me, would argue of the opposite. It would sound cringy here.
in the book it said "DON'T YOU FUCKING TOUCH ME!" and that was way cooler
many people in the comment section, including me, would argue of the opposite. It would sound cringy here.
Why is this marked as content for kids?
So why didnt johnson return the navuu to tycho after it missed? Couldve saved himself from the lawsuit. Im still in SE2 if this is answered plz dont spoil heh
I advise you remove this question or dont read replies lol
@@ATMLVE haha i just binged thru 3rd season so its cool now i know 😜
never felt bad for Mormons before. now I do.
Nauvoo: Excuse me sir, do you have a second to talk about our lord and saviour Jesus Christ, hey don’t run from the LORD?!?!….
I found an mistake in the first frame. It says the Nauvoo is travelling at 18000 km per second. This is over six percent of the speed of light, which doesn’t work as it would take months to accelerate that much, and judging the distance from Tycho to Eros the trip would only be a couple days or weeks at most. Also at that speed the ship would fly past so fast it would practically be invisible, being too far away in one frame and already past in the next.
Edit: In a later scene they say the ship is accelerating at several kilometres per second per second. That makes me assume the meant to say metres per second not km per second.
The ISS is already traveling at 7,66km/s and it doesn't even have a propulsion system like the navoo has. It's merely correcting it's own orbit by now.
probably a mistake.. later during the chase when the Roci has to match a few times Eros aceleration the display shows about 27000m/s increasing.
Ship was unmanned, and the Epstein drive they use in the show is basically magic. It was probably pulling 30g to reach that speed or something
they are able to accelerate for weeks with one g which is insane but if the distance between eros and the tycho was similar to the shortest distance between earth and mars than they would have had to accelerate with 2.2 km/s^2 or 220g and yeah no that is 8 times higher than the gravity on the surface of the sun...
and the roci would have hat to been even faster than that they started at the same time.
any impact with that kind velocity would have shatters eros maybe even ceres but still great show.
@@MultiKeto That ship would crumple under 220g. You cannot build a compressive structure that can take that kind of stress, not out of known materials anyways, and that's probably beyond even graphene or carbon nanotube territory.
1:16-that was literally my reaction when I saw that.
The space animations have changed in Season 5?
Damn even asteroids don't want nothing with Mormons lol
Why was Holden sleaping in this moment?
This is difficult to understand. If it moves and energy conservation exists (assuming on all levels), then what did it displace? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
It didn't displace anything (that were aware of anyways) but in the books it was noted that Eros heated up with the equivalent energy lost from its initial orbit, which gave everyone (a very slight) reprieve that it's at least following *some* known laws of physics.
@@theenigma7290 @theenigma7290 Wait what? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔It heated up with energy lost from its initial orbit? What does that even mean? Things heat up because of friction. Eros was in space. There is no atmosphere there. And what does it mean to lost it's initial orbit in space? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 I'm not an expert, but all bodies in the solar system are exerting gravity on each other. So Eros should have been locked in an orbit. How did something displace it from its orbit? 🤔🤔😚🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Someone with Physics plz explain. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@Aditya-f8t5z It used some kind of reactionless engine to move itself, and heated up because of the work that engine performed. It's the kind of thing we have no idea how the hell to actually do - but the way it happened doesn't *quite* violate the laws of physics.
It had a certain amount of kinetic energy in its old orbit, and less in its new orbit (because it slowed down, basically). That kinetic energy somehow got turned into heat - that obeys conservation of energy, but nobody today, nor anyone human in the 'verse, has any idea how to build an engine that can actually do that without expending some kind of propellant (or else emitting a lot of radiation - there is something called a photon thruster, but those are *legendarily* inefficient.)
@@logansorenssen hang hang on, do we still believe in causality...or have we suspended that...because I'm wondering what made it move its orbit in the first place.....so...if u say it has less energy in its new orbit and the energy difference between it's old orbit and new orbit is the CAUSE for it to MOVE....well....ok that's circular because there are only so many bodies in the solar system....if all bodies were accounted for...and their gravity DID not make Eros move...THEN WHAT DID.....
Now don't say some reaction less engine INSIDE Eros made it move.....because then I'll ask how does that work.....
Love to u stranger....🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@@theenigma7290 This isn't true. What Naomi said is that it heated up meaning whatever they did to accelerate Eros isn't perfect. The second law of thermodynamics still holds as there is waste heat deposited into Eros.
"Excuse me - WHAT." - Actual quote from me when I got to that part in Levisthan Wakes.
I still wish they followed the book version of it. The moment before the Eros moves, Miller suddenly heard Jullie shout, "DON'T YOU FUCKING TOUCH ME!!"
This is a real shame, in the books it screamed:"Don't you dare touch me!"
Not quite what the book said. Dude Dude said it below.
@@NorthForkFisherman Yeah, but I'm not exactly the cursing type. :)
(If you're wondering why I allow myself to read the books, I may not curse myself, but my classmates curse like sailors and knew the f-word when they were six.)
The book should have been high budget horror movie the way it was written only that way
Eros alone could have been a horror movie just imagine escaping from the “police” trying to survive long as possible by scavenging for non-infected air tanks as the asteroid slowly become the intestines of some unknowable cosmic horror only to die in the end and become apart of the protomolecule and learn the purpose of this physics defying abomination is to build roads for some godlike entities that was kill off by an unknown power
@@Phoenix-vf4nd and said unknown power can fuck with your mind across solar systems
Explain that to the mormons.
Shouldn't Miller have felt the acceleration of Eros as it took off in a different direction?
no the proto molecule moves without acceleration
@@RoyalBlue1 That's quite a feat!
@@robertcartier5088 it’s mentioned in the books that while Protomolecule seems to be able to ignore inertia, it doesn’t violate all of physics as they notice that when it starts moving it starts to heat up, which shows that energy is still being conserved and converted somewhere.
It’s truly alien, but they still cannot change the laws of physics!
@@kukuc96 especially considering that the protomolecue only builds “roads”
@@kukuc96 especially considering that the protomoleclue only builds “roads” to paraphrase a certain someone “they was gods when they sent the protomoleclue who knows what they are now”
I was kind of hoping Eros would scream “DONT FUCKING TOUCH ME” like in the book
ain't no space horror like a lovecraftian entity moving planetary objects and changing laws of physics at will