OLD SCHOOL STEROIDS + CYCLES EXPLANIED!
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2018
- *THIS IS ALL ANECDOTAL I DO NOT ADVISE THE USE OF PEDS NOR DO I ENDORSE THEM*
Today we're going over Old School steroids + cycles.
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Most if not all golden era bodybuilders did not use testosterone for instance. They used dianabol as their test base, and stacked either primobolan or deca durablan on top of that. They didn’t have aromatase inhibitors, so couldn’t use testosterone and dianabol together.
By far one of the best videos on anabolics. Keep the content going man 💪🏼
Thanks for the explanation what kind of steroids are on the market and how professionals did use them! all the best for your brand new channel 👍🏽
Cosmo Anwesend thank you so much man!
you should never take more than 50 mg of D-bol or Winstrol per day. Your kidneys will hate you for it. Too many old school bodybuilders and power lifters are experiencing kidney failure at 50 yrs old. It's a subtle process, but you are destroying your kidneys; and last I checked, you need those to live.
I know 2 people who have caused jaundice from liver damage from dbol. If your stuff is legit, 30mg of dbol is plenty.
very useful information. Thank you man
Excellent, well researched and professionally presented.. Top class.
Marc Hugo Save your Liver and kidneys this idiot has made all of this up .I fya want real information on what they used go to Rics corner on youtube where he tells the proper amount he and Arnold and the rest of them used in Golds gym in the 70`s . The stack was 15 mg of Dianabol and 200 mg of Decca a week .Do ya really think that Arnold would have been so stupid to kill himself with massive amounts of steroids ,he used them in low doses and wanted to be around long enough to enjoy the money for all of his hard graft in the gym . This idiot would have kids ending up in hospital and by the way Tren was not around when Arnold was training .Be careful there are loads of Screwball like him on youtube . Sty natural and do it like Steve Reeves and Reg park and enjoy life with good health
There was a lot of misinformation in this video bruh 🤣
Very helpful thanks man..
Awesome video dude
Diego Diaz thank you dude!
OSG Fitness quick question, how old do you think Arnold was when he began to cycle because I know he began body building at a pretty young age but when do you think he began to take steroids or do you think that even in the photos of him at 15 that he was already taking test or some of the more basic compounds?
Really interesting stuff man, can’t wait to get my hands on some apparel too. In your opinion, what brought about the change in the physique to modern bodybuilding? Particularly how they seem to have a lost a lot of their lines and separation, do you think it’s GH or insulin? Or maybe the training?
TL Training hey bro. Thank you so much for the support. The physiques changed with the massive amounts of food plus HIGH doses of insulin. Insulin in extreme does actually makes the physique softer and hides more detail - even if you’re super lean
OSG Fitness Interesting, I know Mills Sarchev is a big advocate of insulin and always had great lines. But you look at some of the guys now and they have no delt/chest separation so something has clearly gone astray in the interest of size! But believe me I’ll be getting some of your stash as soon as I get paid, can’t wait to see more videos bro!
Found you thru instagram love your stuff
Thank you so much man!
Your a Liar and your Dangerous
Tekashi 69 Don`t listen to this Evil Liar he is Dangerous .The Bodybuilders did not take any where near the amount of Doses . Ya need to take a look at Rics Corner on UA-cam fot the correct amounts of steroids they were taking in the 70`s at Golds Gym ,even Arnold never used massive amounts . This Mad Bad Bastard will kill you if you follow what he says . Warning there are loads of Nuts like him on youtube so if you value your health stay away from Drugs and train naturally or use small doses
back in yhe good old days, most pro didnt use test. Dianabol was the most popular base
I think you are right, test wasn't the prime mover, probably Deca was.
@@geoopa Testosterone was viewed as a crude side effect drug. Deca was refined fuel!
Sick vid
Don't die please love some more days bro
Thank you brother
Tough to isolate compounds effects due to series of stacks throughout cycle?
I've been around gear for 20 years and I dont know anyone that gears up with oil every day. 200mgs a day and that's about the weakest test you can get would be 7ml and 1400mgs in a week. Maybe I'm not understanding what your saying. The best advice I can give anyone on gear is to donate blood once or twice a year. Gear makes your body make more blood so having more blood makes your heart work harder in return it enlarges your heart and what do most bodybuilders die from? You guessed it an enlarged heart.
That's true. I have to donate blood as often as possible or else my blood pressure goes up to hypertension levels. Once or twice a year wouldn't do it for me LOL
True. AAS increases Haematocrit which makes your blood thicker, increases your blood pressure, thus increases the risk of stroke & heart attack. Donate your blood peeps!
Is there a gap between bulking and cutting cycles?
Golden for life 💪
Thanks just bought dianabol
You should have included Anavar instead of Trenbalone if your talking purely about the golden era.
... where can i order the shorts brahh
*old school did not use test*
What about estrogen control? Aromatase inhibitors?
They probs used nolvadex , then arimidex when it was more mainstream and available ... testosterone was avoided for the most part for the reason of not having much for SERMs or AI in the 1960s and 1970s, so they weren’t aromatizing as much as we would now with 500 mg minimum bro cycles being thrown around like crazy .
Dbol gives a slight estrogen conversion which is enough to not let your e2 / other estrogen levels crash ; theoretically lots of body builders could have gotten away without test for sometime , until they had properly available AI/ SERMs of course .
So what would a starter old school bodybuilder cycle look like
4 Dianabol day for 6 weeks.
Or, 350 mgs testosterone week for 10 weeks.
I've always ran a baseline of 200/300mg test per week. And blast high doeages of other compounds . The fact U say use test higher I think is floored . For the most part .
People go either way
100mg of test a week and 20mg of anavar a day has the same outcome as 600mg of test without the issues.
@@andrewwright. I don't think I believe that would work for most men post 30/40.. Why would u wanna run it so low?
@@koesliftsingles9069 running low and rise of risk when high, hair loss, spots, sweating ECT ECT.
Granted...more would mean more gains but when is the limit set?
12 weeks on 100/20 combo would see 6kg gains on average but these studies was done on hiv victims so gains should be more with a healthy person.
@@andrewwright. IMO gains would technically be LESS with a healthy person who presumably already has made many gains , as opposed to a hiv victim who hasn’t been working out at all (diminishing returns VS noobie gains).
But overall you both have the right idea : less is more , unless you’re terribly unresponsive to steroids and you’re eating and diet is perfect and you aren’t growing , we should use as little of each drug as possible and rise it slowly over time.
When I try anavar I will start at 20 mg and raise to something like 40-50 mg a day . I found my limit with oral winstrol and went further than that to 100 mg to find kidney stress was quick when no water was drunk all throughout the day , so I will see about keeping dosages at 50 Mg of that drug tops or just avoiding it altogether because honestly NPP injectable gave far better results with less toxicity and less (or no) hair shedding.
It’s all about dipping our toes til we wanna dive in face first .
Would you discuss your first cycle?
The Bodybuilders at this Era does not use Testosterone, deca was there Testosteron. Testosteron was difficult to get. Deca was easier
They definitely used test.
I like the video bro just subscribed and turned to notification button on plz do more steroid videos
Jj Ll bro if you do a few cycles PROPERLY ,youll be fine there not as bad a people make them out to be but still should be used with caution
Wow I'm amazed. Just stumbled upon your channel and have No idea why it is not more popular. The amount of shit content on UA-cam regarding anabolics is depressing. It is Nice to see that you actually put in some work on making the slide and research g the topic and finding very specific pictures of tolden er bodybuilders to underlige your points.
Thanks for that, please retain this level of quality of your content
From all the research I’ve done, your doses are way too high. It’s like you’ve applied modern cycle doses to what was available back then. They knew they didn’t need that much, they went for an effective dose but not much more. Not like now. People don’t look like humans.
Where do you get your gear
wait so are you natural?
U can have a nice physique without juicing. But let's be honest,u can't develop a standout physique without them.
You call it bulk cycle and off season cycle, what's about the cutting cycle? Greatest
cutting is achieved by reducing calories , adding cardio . for a health perspective testosterone can help you preserve muscle while being in a caloric deficit.
proper management of estrogen conversion and frequent administration of injection will help with this.
if injecting on a daily base you might aswell use a short acting ester.
getting shredded below 10% is a job .
and it is unhealthy and not effective for anabolism if your goal is to build muscle long term.
If your plan is to compete than its a whole different story.
what they go trough to get contest ready is mind boggling.
Youre 'bulking' cycle sounds like estradiol/side effect heaven😢
what do you recomend when you go off cycle? how long before you can go back on?
Lars ivar pay no attention to this twat they used low doses of steroids in the 60`s and 70`s .Go to Rics corner on youtube for more info ,he trained with Arnold and he will tell ya they used nothin like this idiot claims they used .The stack was 15mg of Dianabol and 20 mg of Decca a week ,if ya think that this is to low Dave Draper and Frank Zane used the same stack and so did Mike Mentzer .Take care of your health and watch out for dangerous people like this mad man .Stay away from drugs and train naturally like Steve Reeves who had the best physique of all time
Same time on, same time off
No one really knows what they used other than those that used.
geoopa they’ve openly talked about what they used
@@diarmuid4071 They only vaguely discussed and never went through a full cycle of what, how much or how long. These days bodybuilders somehow proudly boast about how much they use. Back then it was always played down. That's the feeling I get anyhow.
@@geoopa check out Ric drains videos and apply common juicing sense.
“Brick ShitHouse”. -Michael Pane🔥🔥
What did they do for gyno? I don't think Tren was used back then
david torres tren came around in the 80’s, it doesn’t give you gyno
Sulliman Isa what did they do for gyno if they got it from what they used
david torres not sure, but tamoxifen usually helps
arimidex & nolvadex
@@DT-oh6gx overuse test or too much estrogen for whatever source is primary origins of gyno .. I have a feeling many 60- early 80s bodybuilders avoided test as much as possible , possibly only pinning it to add bloat for powerlifting. Many people need to get rid of gyno nowadays and we’re all (rightfully) told we need test , but that doesn’t mean you can’t get a good cycle in without it , and in my theory the golden age guys prove that as they admit to taking test , just not all the time and many of them avoided gyno altogether .
Ive heard the golden era used dbol for the feel good euphoria test would provide , make sure to have no more than 12 week cycle to avoid massive suppression , and on top of this they pinned lower amounts of deca (200-800mg) instead of grams of compound like guys do nowadays ; thus allowing less suppression over one cycle making it so they could get away with low or no exogenous test at all. Plus they still had access to nolvadex , which is great for diminishing small bouts of gyno .
No test base becomes problematic only
If you lose that feel good euphoria , otherwise you can ride out other feelings low test may provide : and of course dbol aromatizes into a weaker estrogen called estrone , so that’s probably the origin of why Arnold and other golden eras would eat up to 100 mg dbol a day (despite sounding way too high this could work if all other aspects of health were tip top and the dbol was pharma which it was back then).
Love this video! What liver protection did that generation use while running orals? Can't say I've ever seen that talked about.
milk thistle
And what about pct ? Did those guys ever use pct
Wrong! Old school body builders rarely used test, especially as a base. Arnold used Deca and D-Bol for that look.
And primobolan. He said it was his favorite.
paul mryglod , Yes I meant to add primo also.
Ive read this a ton of times too. And I know a few local guys at my gym , who run deca/oral and deca only cycles . And they're blowing up . All also say no sides which is odd to hear
KoesLifts Ingles , I was there in the 80's and saw it, as a matter of fact I never saw test, it was not easy to get back then. Deca was easy too get back then.
Deca is extremely suppressive to natural testosterone and is needed in the cycle as a base.
I love your instagram page!
n n thank you for your support man
Luckily I’ve been blessed so I only need trt and dianabol to be extremely full and around 4 percent body fat in my comps
what about cycle theriours
These guys never had a 16 week contest prep. Even up to the Haney, Gaspari era it was normally a 12 week prep mostly because they never blew up like elephants in the off season. Such hogwash.
Testosterone was only used by powerlifter s it was not used by bodybuilders and cyles where short .
This was so fucking informative, fuck.
Great 👍
Bro what kind of dbol dosage is that ?!125 mgs wtf?
That's that renegade cycle
Not sure why Tren is up here. Arnold and those Old Schoolers did not use it. I know a lot of guys in the gym that use it now. But Honestly the short gains for how much it changes their mood and side effects. Does not seem worth it. It is super fast working. But, I taken Var and Test and my gains though slower. catch up to them and than pass them for as long as im working out. Their gains once off, even though they keep training drop. Only time I can see it use is just before competing. Oh, and this is coming from a guy who seen a lot of bodybuilders in the last 30 years. I photographed a lot of them.
Also just out of curiosity what happens with teens and steroids?
Ideally 21 to start if you plan to compete, after 25 if you have low test.
Your ephysial plates close between 18 and 21 years old for 95% of the population. Some people's plates don't seal until as late as 25 yrs old. When your ephysial plates seal, your bones won't get any longer. Meaning. If you seal those plates in your teens, and say you are only 5'6. You will always be 5'6. You can't unseal the plates. If you think you have to take something, HGH, human growth hormone will increase muscle, cause fat loss, and will help you grow taller. Also, taking gear at a young age could possibly effect your testicles for life. Just remember, steroids can STUNT YOUR BONE GROWTH!!!
Gene Myers thanks man, I also hear that taking roofs at a young age could also lead to me burning out in like my 20s, is this true?
@@jacobsaadoun5523
.What are roofs?
Gene Myers whoops meant roids
The stuff was pharma grade... Really pure back then....people were growing massive and lean jus on dboll
I think the secret is dbol dosed low and primo dosed high. I'm planning 3 future blasts with trt cruises in between:
20 mg dbol/day + 1 gram primo/week for 12 weeks
25 mg dbol/day + 1.25 grams primo/week for 12 weeks
30 mg dbol/day + 1.5 grams primo/week for 12 weeks.
Apparently Serge Nubret ran 2 grams of primo per week but I don't want to pin that much oil. Maybe I'll reconsider it in the future, who knows.
75mg-125mg D-bol??!! Above 50mg no more effects..???!
About gino and other side effects can u get it if u in a very low dosage?
Ok so first of all buddy, if you dont know how to spell gyno then u probably shouldnt even think of PEDs. To answer your question, it really just depends on your body and how it reacts
@@elishalopez7659 u a idiot....
@@platano3000x 😂😂youre attacking me for no reason. You firstly ask for help and then immediately reject and insult me. Youre a joke 😂
@@elishalopez7659 u not in school idiot u on UA-cam..and sometimes we typing fast because we doing stuff ...idiots focussing and little things
@@platano3000x damn i guess you should get the hell off of youtube and head back to school because you cant even spell focusing either
I'm thinking about the juice the whole time... I think I'm gonna juice but I'm so afraid TBH can I die from steroid use?
Yes if you do it year round. But the risk is always there because your Organs wil grow leading to organfailire like heart attack. And the side effects are terrible.
Do your research
Don’t listen to this guy
I do 14 weeks cycle 2x a year. Always different depending. bulking or cutting. But always test as base. Usually I do half test e and test sust. Hope this helps.
Do your test test first to know what your natural levels are.
They all had to use testo? Hmmm odd cause i heard plenty of old timers said testo did not exist in Arnolds day and they used primo as base combinded with d-bols or anavas/winstrol tabs. But oh well i guess we should listen to you who got no clue what you talking about.
Checked your 2 old school workouts, yeah you are nothing but a juice head who thinks he knows stuff about training. Hahahaha
Ffs testosterone was the first AAS.
Well they surely used test but much less than today . Primo can’t be used as a “base” as it still suppressed the HPTA and overall test level , but my theory is this : golden era didn’t use test much , if they had to due to natural hpta issues they would but otherwise it was seen as a dirty power lifting drug that wasn’t necessary (they knew about suppression , but kept cycles lower to 12 weeks max , had pharma grade orals , and were overall healthier than the average gym rat today in terms of organ health) .
They did use large amounts of primo because it’s less suppressive than others but also weaker at adding quick mass , nandrolones like deca were used to add on lean gains slowly , and dbol was used to replace the “feel good euphoria” they would be missing without testosterone .
I will be trying a low test (100-250 mg/ week) and high nandrolone (400-450 mg/week) cycle with either added dbol for feel good and kickstart mass , or anavar for 6 weeks of lean gains on top of this to try and replicate the low test cycles of golden era .
Test just causes so many issues in so many people due overuse of it and lack of understanding your bodies limits with test , and on top of this it seems easier to break the natural creation of test when you inject large amounts of exogenous Test throughout your life as opposed to just suppressing it with stronger anabolic steroids that don’t replace your natural flow (replace is different than suppress , hence why test is so unique as it’s the only replacement for test made by your balls).
but they've used deca for example as a base
Hey man so I watched one of Arash Rahbar’s q&a and he said something like if you train just one specific body part for a certain time it will grow faster and all the recovery and nutrients will go just for that body part do u believe this to be true? I injured my shoulder so I figured if this is true I could bring up some lagging parts while I recover
Ideally brother it's the best to push all of the blood into one muscle group. Arms can be done biceps + triceps because they are smaller groups. It's the best to pick one muscle and train it hard.
OSG Fitness alright man thank you for the advice, love the shirts and their fit and really glad you started a channel
👍👍👍
Nice
I’m sorry to burst your bubble here, but your content does not outline golden era steroid cycles. I’m not trying to be negative, but Ive researched this subject for decades, and found it hard to agree with what you just laid out.
That's a lot of d-bal Home Slice but if you like it you like it
Thanks a lot bro and you looking good
Has he got lipstick on x
😂😂
Way to much dbol!!! Also why would they do winny in the off season. They wouldn’t.
He said during prep. But yeah that's a crazy dbol dose
500mg? Do you know what you talking about?
Hey natty boi
Bro... you are DE-stroying your kidneys and liver with these orals. I hope the winny is at least depot.
If I'm doing a low dose of test C 250 mgs a week but wanted to add 40mgs of winstrol should dose it 20mgs in the am and 20mgs in the pm?
What a load of bollocks
TREN IS FOR CATTLE moo moo
First drug is wrong.. bro.. do some reading next time
Where can I get D bol pills
Buy a house
Train Naturel BB who takes steroids for years died young . The aproxim life time of Bodybuilders is 55 years or younger. Is this good for a litle bit muscle . Your health is everything you only live once . Good luck to everybody
Yea that is a good mesure to look to. You take steroids you live shorter. The quotes goes: the fire that burnes twice as bright. Comperd to a dim fire which bruns twice as long
Striations uuuughhh
So.much exxaheration in this video..those guys who u claim to be on deca was clearly on more than just deca..deca isn't gonna make ur muscles look Denae and hard like that..they were on a shit load of compounds..enough with the bro science!!
Deca 100 mg per 8 days 50 mg test per 8 days 7.5 mg anavar per day I put on 20 lean pound in 8 weeks on this cycle. No baldness no limp dick attitude just a little plus sinus issues cleared up. If you cant get big on these low dosages your training or diet is wrong. Just my .02 cents
What pct did you run bro?
U so full of shit..no way u put on 20 pounds in just 8 weeks with 100mg deca and 50mg test..lmao. why do you kids lie so much???
You mentioned that Deca had fast effects but that just isn't true you're going to have to wait to see the results but you will like what you see
I did
Test 200 w
Eq 100 w
Deca 100 w
Dbol 15 training day
Lol did you gain like 2 pounds?
Week cycle. Pointless
XIV Words EQ or deca below 350mgs week each is a waste. Always ramp up orlals every 7, 10, or 14 days to keep gains coming in a bulk cycle.
Lol most pointless cycle and total waste of money
You don't get gyno form Tren
Tren is awesome
its also crosses the blood brain barrier with ease. studies show its neurotoxic
It’s only good if your in your teens or 20’s. Highly dangerous at old age.
way too much dbol per day bro... the liver explodes at 125mg per day!! at least you should recommend some liver protection
silymarin or thiotic acid and also some strogen blockers like tamoxifen... just saying, cause people will see this video, and maybe they copy what you show here as an off season cycle.... theres a lot of ignorance nowadays about steroids usins... great video dou!
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