Estrogen on TRT & Steroids
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2018
- This video is about managing estrogen in men on testosterone replacement steroids, as well as the implications of estrogen in men who use steroids. I cover estradiol and other lab tests, the various strategies to minimize estrogen, as well as medical interventions. Importantly, I cover the side effects of aromatase inhibitors and selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) which can be serious!
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The Anabolic Doc is actually Derek in a costume.
Dereks deathstar delts wouldnt fit in that costume bro
instaBlaster...
I'm imagining like when Johnny Knoxville puts on the grandpa costume...
Lmfao no way, couldn't hide those delts in Docs skin
Dammit someone already beat me to it
Where do you think the likes of mpmd get their info from ,, from the likes of this man
By far, this is the best explanation on how each of the pieces work together and their side effects! Thanks a lot doc!
Thanks, Anabolic Doc your doing a great job! I love the content and am learning more and more!
Talking to my doctor now about TRT. This video helped me. Thank you.
Im getting that man-body diagram tattooed on me
lol
Tattoos lower testosterone 😅
your doing a great job Doc.
I wish I had a doctor like you to mange my blood.
many thanks
Very informative video!
When i first started trt on test enanthate, i had alot of estrogen conversion to the point where i felt just as crap as when my testosterone was low, my doctor was making me take aromatise inhibitors, looking on you tube i found an article talking about micro dosing using test propionate. So i tried it and have never looked back, sometimes these clinic docters have no idea, always pays to do your own research. Great article doc!!
How do you do your microdosing??
@@GuadalupeRodriguez-ql9it Micro-dosing is just 10-15 mgs every day. OR something along those lines.
@Destroy the child just for my info why is it ridiculous my dr. Prescribed clomid wile on trt just seeking knowledge not trying to disrespect
@Destroy the child will split my dosage but is that a 👎 on clomid
How high did your estrogen go think I'm hypersensitive to estrogen and getting those effects from trt aswell
That’s the most beautiful diagram of the male body I’ve ever laid eyes upon.
Loll
🤣
Rocky will u be my long distance friend
@@akashsoni589 hi Akash. I'm not sure what you mean by that but of course I'll be your friend 😁
@@governmentvirus9368 I mean bieng friends, and share experience and knowledge
Hey doc, you have helped me so much more than my low T center where I get TRT, unfortunately I educate them on some things :/ but I take responsibility for my life and are glad I found you.
Wise man. Keep the content coming
The videos are improving, I would like to see him what the labs normal levels are amd how they change with age
Thanks for this Doc... I feel it is important for me to understand all the things that my doctor is saying to me when I give him a visit...
All the doctors around here act like you committed a felony if you ask to get your estrogen or testosterone levels checked
Lol same thing happened to me
For real
Great info doc! Thank you for what you do.
where can i Buy an AI online that works?
It helps a lot! Thank you, Doc!
Very good info here thank you!
Great informative video, thanks
Great video. Thanks doc!
Good info. Thanks. You have a new subscriber.
Great Video, very informative.
Very valuable. Thanks DOC!
At 5:55 when discussing the labs, it’s Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry x 2 hence LC-MS/MS. If you are trying to quantify a known compound I hardly see the reason for using ‘MS/MS. This technique is typically used for chemical structure elucidation (determining an unknown chemical entity), not for quantifying a known chemical. With LC-MS there is already a 2-dimensional separation, why LC-MS/MS? Honestly no lab will run MS/MS routinely that’s typically PHD level analysis.
Doc is cool man...respect
Well covered.👍
Thanks Doc.
Good info doc! Do you use trt yourself? What are your levels at? How bout a video on the healthy doc?
Of course he's on TRT. The fact that he benched 505 means he used steroids and is most likely on TRT himself right now and for the rest of his life
Love watching your video's
Thankyou!
Thank you so much for your candid and honest approach to educating men about TRT and options that should or could be considered. You are a pioneer for every man who becomes hypogonatic.
One question about plastics we all encounter daily. It's been suspected that plastics used for food containers introduce estrogens into our diets causing young girls to develop earlier (10-12) than in the past. Do you suspect that the same exposure is causing men to develop hypogonadism in addition to developing prostate cancer?
Good question. I would like to see the Doc address this topic as well.
Rofl...i click on a anabolic doc trt vid and youtube recomends my a vid of a vitor belfort fight underneath😂
TRT Belfort truley was a Phenom.
Vitor was juiced up in the 90's. They called him the Brazilian Buzzsaw. He was super dangerous back then. When he came back to the new age, regulated UFC he wasn't the same guy.
Derek needs to do a reaction to this.
that is one focused and clinical looking whiteboard.
Very informative video. Thank you. Do you recommend taking Gonadorelin only and avoid the TRT for several weeks if Estradiol is high?
Hey thats me on the board!
Second video I've seen today that says be careful and/or even don't use AI with TRT. Interesting. Thanks for the info!
Very educational Dr.
Thank you for providing real science where there is mostly bro-science.
Nobody talks about the bad effects and side effects.
The human system is so utterly complicated that tinkering with it’s systems is fraught with dangers.
What are you referring to? Definitely shouldn’t be “bro science” anywhere near you especially when under your doctors care.
N Odak
Referring to Kai at Formula Secrets on youtube.
An excellent and informed channel, but never speaks of the risks.
Tinkering is the key word everyone is different there's always going to be trial and error...
thanks I just found out that I have DVT from this movie I was at the doctor I have to have surgery on my left leg 🤷
Hello Doc, in your opinion what is the best T/E2 ratio for TRT males?
Really helpful me as estrogen is very high. Thanks
Hi do you know EStrohalt product ( supports estrogen metabolism ) is it a good product for you ? best regards
thank you doc
on the TOT round table, they were discussing how A.I. were doing more harm than good and are way over prescribed, just like in this video, they talk about how its all dependent on the dose of test given, and a relatively healthy body should aromatize that test at normal levels.
Any thoughts on enclomiphene? NOT Clomid. Limited info available online... but what is there sounds GREAT!
Dr I really enjoy your channel. I am a medical student and I would like to optimize my test naturally and through safe supplementation. Could you make a video on how a person can maximize test levels through everyday life and supplementation.
Johnathan DeLeonlopez intense exercise
Hey Doc, thanks for all your great videos! I have a question... there seem to be two thought processes when it comes to running supraphysiologic doses of testosterone and at what level the Estradiol should be. Some say to stick within the range given on our blood work, and some say that it can go much higher than the range, as long as the ratio with testosterone is the same. Can you expect, or is it realistic to have estradiol in the 20s or 30s when total test is > 2000 and free testosterone is over 40?
Also can you answer how fast do BPH/other prostate related issues arise when on testosterone/TRT. I have been on a self-prescribed TRT for over 6 months and lately I've been having some shooting pains in the perineal area. I've had them before TRT when I was 19, but not leading up to the TRT at 32 yo.
One last thing: it seems like aromatase inhibitors are a double-edged sword. Whether you take them or not, you are causing some type of damage to the system. By taking them you avoid some of the edema or bloat which put's less strain on the cardiovascular system. By taking them you increase LDL and lower HDL. Given mild steroid cycles (less than 700 mg/week), would the amount of, say, Arimidex used to control estrogen be enough to damage the lipid panel? What is worse, to suffer with edema or poor cholesterol? Or should we aim to be somewhere in the middle... to let estrogen rise above normal range, but not too out of sight to cause edema... and take just enough estrogen inhibitors to avoid most of the bloat, etc?
Thank you for your hard work and dedication!
The biggest take away is how you feel trumps what blood work says. When you take a large dose an aromatase inhibitor is almost always needed to some extent. Men like woman differ in what is normal or acceptable as far as estrogen levels go. Higher estrogen is preferred to lower estrogen studies confirm this. My advice is if you're doing a so-called blast use an AI but after that get down to a dose your body can handle without aromatizing. Everyone is different. Two men could be on the same exact protocol and one could have twice the level of Test in his blood even though they are on the same dose. Unfortunately, the answer is to drop the dose of Testosterone and AI to prevent both high E2 and complications with aromatase inhibitors.
@@microbeast83 where can i Buy an AI online that works?
@@ryanhust5797 I use masteron and run it as a trt add on. It helps with inhibiting higher estrogen levels and its affects also gives a leaner, harder look to my physique.
Thanks doc
Could you recommend a surgeon for gyno in Canada?
Hey been using androgel brought me back to normal but I hate putting the gel on every day should I try testosterone cyponate all my blood work is normal
Low estrogen can feel just like high estrogen if I take any ai I feel so tired all the time I feel better with higher estrogen
My TRT doc put me on an extra .2mg of anastrozole per week after my estradiol tested at 37.6 pg/mL and I did not feel right after a few weeks so I stopped. Writing this, it just dawned on me that the addition was likely causing me serious joint pain because it disappeared. Sometimes I wonder what I would feel like if there wasn't .5mg compounded with my test.
Doc is saying to go for the gyno surgery which ideally is best repair but that’s not always the most economical for a lot of dudes
Anyone have any information on not using anti estrogen while on cycle? Specifically the blocking of igf 1 due to the lack of estrogen?
This what i want to know . Do you find something?
I couldn’t find envy video talking good things about Arimidex and my Doctor just prescribed to me. I’m really nervous about take this medicine, but at the same time will be my last opportunity to see if I continue with this TRT, everything works really good except the ED
Yes but how does it affect the heart?? In what way doc, What are the signs to look out for when on trt and a.i. inhib
Pregnenolone and dhea please
YES! YES! BRAIN FOG ISSUES ^ ITS NOT DISCUSSED!
Can see why the Doc didnt go to Art College, great Video, thanks
Also if I get high levels of estrogen after testosteron injections,is there any chance my hair look great,like it looks now,before therapy??maybe my hair looks amasing after testo therapy,because high estro levels?is that possible?
Steroid dispenser on the left, guys an anabolic legend
there seems to be a lot of overlap between the side effects of AIs and SERMs - how much of these effects could be due to abnormally low estrogen?
does micro dosing also help us overweight TRT users?
Hey doc hope u can answer me ! What do u think about DIM while on cycle to control estrogen ?
Doesn't look like he answered you, so I'm on sustanon 250. 500 a week split into 2 times a week and I started useing Dim and those are 200 ml and I still felt like shit so I take 400 and that seems to work, they're not a blocker but they regulate it 👍👍👍👍
Does estrogen come back to normal ranges when you discontinue your cycle?
Hey Doc
I started my first test only cycle 250mg per week. After 5 weeks I did a blood test and my test lvl was above 15 ng/mL (that number could be above 30 but their method of testing does not go further for reliability of test).
But more importantly my E2 levels are 146 pg/mL and perfect range would be between 20-30. How concerning is that? Should I start with AI or SERM until the on fo the cycle to reduce that number or should I get of the cycle?
What do you advise?
You only need an Al if you feel the e2 symptoms. Some people need Al at e2 of level 60, some can be okay with it even with level of 100.
thanx ❤❤❤❤❤
I dont understand - if you are taking just one CC of test a week to supplement do you have to have an estro blocker? Like is it mandatory ?
anybody
Doc is not responding to comments so anyone else feel free to reply to this. It is not clear if you are saying that these problems are being caused by the estrogen being crashed or just taking an AI in general even if it balances your estrogen correctly.
What do u think a micro dose is i was on 180 and down to 140 but think I could go lower
If I was on 250 a week and I got estradiol high and changed doesagr to 125mg every 3.5days how long does it take to see the difference? How quickly estradiol metabolizes ?
Half way through test deca dbol cycle didn't use ai I I know stupid. Got gyno under one nipple what is best to use on this cycle and at what dose? How do I know if my estrogen is to high or prolactin? Help plz
Isn’t estradiol protective of the cardio system and neurons in the brain?
How do you contact the anabolic doc?!? Does he have a website?!?
anabolicdoc.com / testosteronology.com/contact
Doc, Thank you for all the videos you produce. I have a question on micro dosing.. By micro dosing do you mean total testosterone given lets say per week and / or that total split up into smaller doses during that week? To me it seems logical that smaller doses during the week would appear more natural to the body's pulse?
Could anybody else read anything on that board, it coulda been cuneiform script, guess I'll never know.😂
Arimidex or Tamoxifen, but beware if you've any form of multiple sclerosis, and are on anything other than Copaxone, avoid Arimidex.
Offset bone density loss with vitamin D and Calcium, even TRT will increase trabecular bone density.
And if your using Tamoxifen, take a low dose of Asprin, and eat plenty of Berry style fruits, stretch the legs often and add some more light leg exercise to your routine.
Excuse me.I will take testosteron therapy next two months...is it possible,can I massage progesteron gel or estrogen gel into my scalp,and like that ,,destroy,,impact of dht and 5 alfa red.on my hair???? Is that possible??
Any experience with TRT Therapy and elevated Estrogen levels leading to Migraine issues in older men?
wondering the same thing
I'm very sensitive to arimidex...even .25 mg will bring my levels down. But if I just don't take the arimidex at all and my estrogen gets high, I will have severe migraines. .25 mg twice a week will usually be enough to keep my e in a good place.
Hey all. I just started TRT through my doctor and was told to get on DIM right away. Do all of you go on something like this? Or do you usually wait a while until your post TRT blood test? I am a very lean body builder, if this changes anything? Just curious, thank you!!
DIM?
I use dim with success.
Estrogen is a CONSTANT pain in the ass for me as someone who is on TRT but also occasionally cycles higher amounts of testosterone in the 500-1000mg/week range. I have never been able to maintain a 500-1000mg/week testosterone dosing schedule for more than 4-6 days without my libido crashing/vanishing. It spikes within the first 2-3 days, then it crashes. This is happening with a DAILY dose schedule of test (daily injections, so no testosterone spikes). This happens whether I take NO arimidex, and it still happens when I take varying amounts of arimidex. I've tried 0.5mg arimidex EOD, I've tried 0.25mg arimidex EOD, I've tried 1mg arimidex EOD, and I've tried 0.25mg arimidex E3D, basically every possible kind of arimidex dosing you could imagine I've tried. Very frustrating, because the gains to me are not worth having zero sex drive, which always returns once I lower the testosterone doseage back down TRT therapeutic levels
Lol so what does that tell you? Prob not the best idea for you to blast, you are not a hyper responder to test at high levels. Best to microcode like doc said
most likely you are better off using a different compund on top of T and lowering the dose of T for cycling purposes.
Hey Doc ! Love the channel.....maybe you’d consider doing a video about your opinion of the Jon Jones testing positive for a “long term” metabolite, and his situation with USADA and the UFC. I’m a huge Jones fan and don’t care if or what he took regarding “Banned” substances. Thanks Doc 🤘🏼
what about EXEMESTANE ?
its the aromasin dude
3 months ago it was 17
What's dbt's
What's considered a microdose level of arimidex?
If elevated estrogen is causing high blood pressure and water retention, is it better to go on blood pressure meds or AI? I am already dosing 120mg in 3 (40mg each) sub q injections. Total T at 650
My doc wants me to use DHEA along with testosterone. Is that a good idea? I've read it raises estrogen.
There is a Dr..a Greek gentleman who makes youtube videos with Muscular Development with Ron Harris..he recommends DHEA with TRT to work synergistically. Ive also seen and heard if there are no sides from estrogen youre fine..
So what do I use to keep the Estrodiol ratios in check? Anastrozole or DIM?
He’s right about micro dosing!! I feel better my levels aren’t up and down and I don’t use any AIs or serms anymore they actually made me feel worse in my opinion and crashed my sex drive like letro, tamoxifen, Clomid etc.. Then again I self medicate lol but Dr O’Connor would be the one Doc I would see for this we don’t have many docs in New England that are knowledgeable about this or that would not judge for that fact!!
What are you micro dosing ? The estrogen blocker?
Over all, even if you discount any potential for stimulating growth of preclinical cancers, TRT sounds like the risks increase over long term and AI treatment of any type only postpones complication. If you use AI for a while and then wean off it, what stops the continued TRT from increasing Estrogen at that time?
I'd like to hear this answer too! Let's go doc!
I just received my result after the 2 first month of trt 150 mg/week My testo is 1159, estradial :53,87(high?) and SHBG 34, 3. i was 2 month ago Testo 605. estradial 21,2 and SHBG. 49,1 what do you think about my result, shoudl i lower the trt dose? and is the estradial too high?
I wish I could find someone like you in NY state. I'm about 2 hours from the city and anytime I bring up TRT to local doctors, they get so standoff-ish about it.
VeteranPatriot hit up Ken at renew vitality, they are a great clinic in NYC
That's because they don't know anything about trt
That is because it is controversial in the medical community, many doctors feel that the bad outweighs the good.
My estrogen was too high, took letrozole and now it's very low, so injecting 700mcg per week of testosterone, how long do I wait roughly before taking letrozole again to stop it going to high? E. G. On this dose will it jump 3, 30, or 300 points per week?
I'm with my both LH and FSH in very low levels. My doctor diagnosed secondary hypogonadism due to obesity and prescribe the following formula: 100mg Clomiphene + 0,2mg Arimidex + 400mg Tribulus daily stacked with testosterone gel at the night for 2-4 months. Reading online seems too much... What would lead him to prescribe so aggressive dose?
Thank you so much for your videos!
Dude, you need to lose weight, plain and simple.
If a middle aged man is on a high dose of test 500mg/wk and higher if he does not have any symptoms of high estrogen and does not use an AI what are the side effects and possibly long term damage from having high estrogen?
If you’re going to mention micro dosing you need to give an example on how to do it doc. 16 mgs a day injected with an insulin syringe in the shoulder or quad is optimal. Gets me around 900 total testosterone and 24 free testosterone. Been doing it this way for about 6 months. Never felt better and I’ve been on trt for 15 years. I also do a week of hcg every 6 weeks. I don’t think staying on hcg all the time is a good idea. I tried it and felt great for a week or so, but then started to feel like crap. Not sure if it was estrogen creeping up, but it felt like it.
Dude that is a good result.. what age and all that are you?
what is your shbg?
Do you use an AI? HCG spikes my E2 hard core.
hey bro, still using that regimen? may try it myself
Thats 112mg a week, hardly a microdose. If your a genetically gifted freak, you might produce 49mg a week. Your almost 2x the Test, and likely putting more than 2x to use ( in comparison to a natural 1 out of 5000 freak)
Do high estrogen levels contribute to prostate cancer??
I'm 35, been training since 17.
191cm 105kg. Did blood work, everything is perfect.
Want to fo my first cycle ever.. 250mg of sustanon per week, for 12 weeks
After week 4 I will add 30mg turinabol ED til the end. But I have a problem. Some people say I should take Nolvadex 20mg Ed just to be safe, others say it will ruin my cycle...so I don't know who to trust or what to do. Any...any advice would be much appreciated. Tnx in advance.
What is the max estrogen level for a man? And the higher the testosterone, the higher the estrogen but it has to be the right balance of 1 to 10??
Doc where to contact you for a consultation... Instagram or Facebook?
i like how you made a video addressing the side effects and use of AIs and didn't think to even mention or cover Exemstane. Interesting information you're putting out man. Seems like you're pretty biased and trying to argue/persuade one side of things as opposed to educating all with unbiased information.
1.5x speed, thank me later