Montante in Action - public demonstration
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2018
- A compilation of the exhibitions we did during our day at Glimmingehus, a 16th century manor in Scania, Sweden. Watch as we demonstrate the greatsword in action by guarding a lady, whirling around and generally terrorizing our poor helpers. Also, look for how many times the rapiers become bent!
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The montante is one of the few weapons where spinning is actually a viable strategy
After all, spinning is a good trick.
U should wear armor anyway to spin weapons, because your guard is still open to indirect thrusting, deadly if without armor
Actually, spinning long weapons, was more a defensive technique
@@fluffdragon6305 crowd control aoe
R2 spintowin
No wonder the Aztecs had a hard time against the Spaniards.
There's something intensely honest about the larger swords. It seems to be that the ideal strategy with most weapons is to conceal your maximum range until your opponent ultimately makes a mistake. But the Zweihander utilizes it's exceeding size, speed, and range as a deterrent rather than to achieve a killing blow. It's offensively defensive.
The fech around and find out sword
Best defense, an unyielding offense
@@doktordanomite9105man pulled out the Scottish "fuck" lmao
Now the Imagine the scenario where two bodyguards are using Zweihanders. They would train to keep their blows flowing in opposite rotations so they don't interfere with each other's blows.
That would be pretty amazing.
I would imagine them smacking their swords into each other
@@motoristacaduco train all day your whole life for a choreographed fight?
@@JohnSmith-zk8xp To be able to fight without smacking your comrades, yes. That sounds pretty practical to a soldier. Soldiers in real life actually would have to fight like this if they weren't using a thrusting weapon, because friendly fire is always on.
Imagine thinking Zweihanders where common as an armament....
@@SassyTheSasquatch96 tbh if you were a proffesional bodyguard they could be your bread and butter. And it wouldnt be the first time techniques are tweaked slightly to take into account someone fighting alongside you, sabre techniques taught to sailors come to mind for example
I see he has the Cleaving Whirlwind stance mod equipped.
Ha. Warframe. You are a man of culture.
Looks more like Tempo Royale TBH.
Aye I prefer tempo royal tho
Crossing snakes is better
Oi Tenno back for work?!
It has even more reach than I thought. The speed of those cuts could take off limbs easily. Though I'd wager the defense tactic is meant to buy time for help to arrive rather than actually kill the attackers.
my bet is on scaring the living daylights out of people that are foolish enough to try attacking. taking off limbs would be the least of someone's concerns. broken limbs, torn muscles, total dismemberment. these kinds of things. can't imagine this blade on a battlefield though
@@alexhulea2735 The techniques you see are in a bodyguard role. Battlefield techniques are different.
its interesting to see them sing i thoguht hema discouraged tha
@@lucabaki This Thing with the pikes is just a myth it is busted with a Zweihänder against Pikes your dead they will stab you you have no armor or shield and you cant cut the pikes they are too thick and they are hold by hand so there is no resistance. If you cut a small tree, the tree does not give in, a human does. The Zweihänder was used in War to flank and break up the enemy line and thus disrupt the order of the enemy, but its maine use Was as a guard weapon to protect VIP's from several attackers at once, it was a good defence weapon against two or even three opponents because of its long reach
@@TheAwast2 the zweihander was used to supplement pike formations. Two handed swords weren’t use to cut through pikes, but bat them aside. The length of a pike (16-20ft) made it decently hard to realign after it got hit compared to a shorter pole arm.
The force of the swings was so great that the attacker's sword was bent just trying to deflect it! That's insane!
But the broken war is still an effective weapon
@@infamoswordz swazdolah!
@@MansMan42069 your actions have consequences...
The swords bend in part because these are training swords meant to bend to when thrust at someone so you do not actually pierce them.
That said, European swords do often have more bending give so that they are less likely to snap.
My first thought was "why don't they use the shield more?"
but then i thought that i would be scared to death by that thing. The psychological factor is really important in this situations
bulletproof vests stop bullets
shields stop swords
and your shield arm is still blue with broken bones
I think before you can get to shield it you would have lost a leg
To Death!
Besides, this is a really heavy sword. It ain't smart blocking something so big if you are not absolutely sure you can finish the swordsman. Two or three hits in your shield would probably put your arm in so much pain. I think the bast way to fight a Montante would be waiting for an opening and closing the space as much as possible, then finishing off with a dagger or some shit. Blocking is kinda dumb... trying to parry is just stupid.
@@aliveyetundead That also is probably countered with the strong psychological effect, can you imagine the fear trying to close in to dagger range against a guy swinging around a sword this fuckin big in your face
DAMN. I never knew they actualy made that musical whirring sound. I've only ever seen them in movies, or training versions with padding or floppy blades. That's beautiful.
top reason why you dont block a swinging Zweihänder with a smaller weapon xD
Better than blocking it with your face!
Amazing. Looking at this made the Montante look like an even more practical bodyguard weapon. Some of those rapiers looked pretty badly bent after confronting that Montante. Originally I thought the attackers could just wait until the bodyguard tired himself out, but with broken weapons they wouldn't be such a big threat.
Yeah, but it'd also be up to the situation. If you're in a place where you know help will arrive if you just make noise and keep people away, the stuff in this video would be great. If you know you're on your own you'll need to start working on an actual escape right away.
That is true. But just seeing the sheer force that sword inflicts on simple rapiers leads me to believe the Montante is a real force to be reckoned with in such a fight. Even if just your rapier hits it, that could cost you your sword or life.
That is certainly also true. The montante reaches far, hits hard and moves with great speed. It's perfect for harassing the opponents' weapons, and especially one-handed swords.
Could it also be used with some longsword techniques?
Montantero so is montante practical? Does it actually work against multiple opponents?
While watching this from a beginner HEMA perspective I was looking for opportunities to thrust during the twirling swings but saw so many "opportunities" that would have immediately ended with a sudden twist of the blade chopping my face open
That's really the thing, isn't it? Watching it from far back, and with little to no experience, it *looks* like there are a lot of openings but it all moves much faster than it looks. There's also the element of genuine fear in a real fight, and the self-preservation instinct that kicks in with it. You may be hired, ordered, or personally desire to harm the bodyguard's ward... but are you really going to give your life just to get that one stab in, which may or may not even do the job before that montante chops into you? Half of the threat is, truthfully, psychological rather than physical. There are plenty of apparent openings, but do you trust them to remain openings for long? It's a very cool technique. Just spin to win!
@@DerAlleinTiger The biggest problem I see is that keeping the huge sword in constant motion, especially while spinning, is exhausting and probably dizzying. If you can even just a minute or two, the wielder will slow down and leave larger and larger openings. The most vulnerable time would be just after the blade passes you; then, the wielder must complete the swing, recover, and regain momentum on the way back before he's a threat to you again. That period may be very short at first, but its length will grow exponentially given a few minutes.
@@tombattraw1410 oh for sure. But often buying a few minutes for help to arrive is all the bodyguard needs
Even if you thrust the he is most likely not stoped but he will still hit you !
Hema its often about not get hurt yourself!
and against a montante there is often still a reach disadvantage
Really starting to understand that Geralt’s TW3 sword play was at least partially inspired by Montante movements. Kind of makes sense - Geralt may be using a more conventional long sword, but he’s swinging with inhuman power, and power transfer is heavily emphasized in montante.
his enemies should just throw things at him xD hes not using a montante so
@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379 he should have use a montante. Also, bigger swords are better for monsters too. It should be canonically a montante.
In the first game the starting steel sword is an earlier version of the one in this video, slightly shorter and a simpler hilt.
Even if it was a three-on-one I wouldn't want to face a skilled Montante user. They hold the absolute reach advantage unless we have pikes or spears, and the only way to get close is to get into their range, which is suicidal given the sheer momentum of that blade.
Unlike other shorter swords which might not pack as much cutting power, the Montante's going to lop limbs off with a serious hit and still carry through to hit the next opponent.
I can see why these were the preferred weapons of bodyguards. They're seriously optimal for both duelling and crowd control.
Well, at the end of the day greatswords are battlefield weapons. You could almost call them polearms.
Carrying a zweihander around in the late medieval period is like carrying around an M16 today. Useful? Yes. Impractical? Totally.
I agree, though I think you have it the other way around. This weapon was made specifically for bodyguards and that's why the Montante is how it is. It wasn't "hey, this weapon suits what I'm doing!" it's more like "We bodyguards need you to make a sword that allows us to fend off (not necessarily kill) multiple opponents while protecting someone." That last bit seems to be why the technique and large size developed: he's not moving from his position that much because he doesn't need to. I'm only realizing this just now after watching this video. It's really cool honestly :)
@@taintedmyth0s636
It's actually entirely ineffective in that situation. Other dude said its a battlefield weapon. He's right. The wide swings and reliance on momentum, as well as the length make it completely impractical in any setting other than a chaotic battle.
@@levi9193 I disagree. It is both a battle field weapon and a bodyguard weapon. There is ample manuscript evidence for its use in both roles.
Publius Vorenus Sextus technically u can use it as a small spear with halfswording and I thought the greatsword was used against pikes to cut through or damage them
I feel like people don't give enough love to how much defensive capabilities that greatswords have. If you were naked and the only thing you had to defend yourself with was a montante, you would be able to hold off three dudes with arming swords.
How two handed greatswords in fantasy settings should have been
Empire Greatsword!
Indeed. I really dislike when fantasy greatswords are swung slowly and clumsily as if they were a telephone pole with an anvil at the other end.
@@matthewmuir8884 To be fair fantasy sword designs basically have a small anvils worth of unnecessary weight on them.
I used to think of the two-handed sword as being a terrifying weapon for some villainous foe, but now I realize it can be quite good at defending. It could be a heroic paladin's weapon after all.
@@matthewmuir8884 for balancing though. There'd be no reason to use smaller swords if bigger ones did the same damage at the same speed
Rare footage of Empire Greatsword being attack by bunch of Tilea men.
More like Luleå men :P
The speed of use is amazing! A sword this long yet wielded so nimble and fast!
Thanks, we're glad you like it!
It mostly comes down to a lot of practice and habit with throwing the sword around you!
Me fending off my depression, failing grades, and low self esteem
You will make your own path.
I relate
May your zweihander swing true!
You should go out more.
Take a cold shower and go walk in the woods.
Whoever wielded those on the field of battle must’ve been absolute madlads. My kind of crowd.
Double pay, and your job was to hold that bridge/doorway/whatever for half and hour while we run/reposition/reinforce. It's an incredible thing.
Wicked! The “damsel in distress” bit is my favourite. 👍🏻
Very impressive! I also love the sound from these swords clashing together! None of that hollywood crap!
It's probably pretty difficult to keep proper edge alignment like that, however, I'd still definitely NOT want to be hit with it
You're totally safe. Conq is highlander's hard counter :)
Tristan Evans I eat conqs for breakfast as hL sometimes but then I get heartburn after my breakfast and get rocked
2:03 That guy in the back just yeeted away
its really hard to close with someone using a great sword because even if you get them, that blade isnt stopping
That must have been fun.
Nice work guys.
Everyone "spinning isn't practical in a swordfight"
0:26
Me "hint it's a joke don't kill me"
The dance with the blade is just so beautiful…like a tornado of pure steel
I can barely watch with how dangerous this looks but I have to say it was very impressive. Great work. Please don't kill each other.
Absolutely beautiful.
What a stunning demonstration. Even trying to engage an opening while the back is turned or anything of the kind would probably be suicidal as the person swinging the montante probably has enough momentum that the attacker would still be severly injured or killed.
Exactly what I was thinking! Sheer inertia would make your dismemberment at least likely -- even if you *did* score a "critical hit" on the montante-wielder.
00:17 he did it! The unique 2 handed moveset some great swords have in dark souls! My favorite moveset ♥️
I think it's from the manuscript written by Luis Barbaran. I've seen those guards used after those cuts before.
It's always cool to see the connections between history and today.
Increíble, espectacular!!!!
I think this is how, all non-fencers comprehend swordfighting.
I am trying to learn some of the Montante. That rly helped me . Thanks!
truly the most elegant and skill based weapon.
Epic! How often did your lady get bonked on the head accidentally though? :P
Not even once!
But there was one time where he said it felt like it was close.
None, just bonked later that night in thanks for being saved from a fate worse than death!
@@austinpundit6321 oooh kinky
Awesome video!
The buckler at the very start says it all!
this video lives in my head rent free and i fucking love it. zweihanders are so amazing and i am so sick of greatswords of this size being depicted in video games and other works of fiction as being slow and unweildy when they are cleary just as nimble and quick as longswords. It's more a matter of inertia and stamina than one of weight and strength
The complexities of swordplay are lost in translation to a game.
@@sympleton7439 definitely for sure I agree. That being said, they certainly don't have to depict zweihanders as big smashy metal sticks. if you compare this video to the dark souls zweihander moveset you can see that whether for balance reasons or a simple over estimation of weight, the zwei is handeled with far less grace.
Wow this is really awesome!
THIS IS UNDERRATED ! ! !
That flail is so terrifying the guy backing away is a reasonable reaction lmao.
that hurts my soul, when i saw those poor rapiers got bent.. but i shouldve saw that coming, theyre rapiers lol
If you try to use a needle to stop a tornado, you’re in for a bad day.
Def don't want to come after someone with one of those where they've got room to swing it
Even in a confined alley, it's still like 6 feet long, and you can outreach any other sword with a thrust.
@@levifontaine8186 i may be completely off, but in an alleyway situation you should effectively be able to use a montate as a 6' spear
dreadpiratedan Yes, that’s exact what you’d do.
Give him some plate and we'll have the mountain :)
Excellent - especially "Guarding the lady" at 0:30
9/10 Dark Souls fans hate this video for it teaches them that extremely slow, ultra-exposed Zweihänder wielders are bullshit.
Going at this speed, even if its blunt that thing can and will cause some serious injuries, I'd say at least a few broken bones
Definitely, maintaining safe distance here is very important.
marvellous demonstration of Montante's reach, speed and technique! however, fighting with metal swords without any protection, even in a demo situation, makes me a bit worried, I surely don't want to be the crouching lady in the middle of the fight 😂
When you're using long weapons like that is really the only time you want to spin in a one-on-one fight. Anything else would leave you open when you turn your back, but something like this has enough momentum when you swing it that your opponent will likely be hit if they go in, even if they kill you first.
Unarmed fighting is the exception, of course. Sometimes, you just have to get that wind up.
There are a lot of spin-like movements described in Montante treatises, and for good reason.
First of all, as the demonstration itself shows, the very context of montante is that you are outnumbered. It is not a duelling weapon, it is a deterrent weapon. Nobody really wants to be _that_ guy, who loses a limb just to stab the montantero in the back. These guys have been to our training camp, and we used long spears, went with half (or less) this speed, the practice weapons were dull (although metal), all participants were thoroughly informed and trained what to expect and how to react, but even with that, it was really freaky. Like, _really_. As a picadero, you really didn't want to go near the montantero.
And this brings us to the next point: he _can_ afford to spin, as he has a tremendous reach advantage, and covering ground very quickly (as you could see in the video). The "danger zone" of the montantero is so big, that any sensible swordsman wouldn't dare to enter, even if the montantero's back is momentarily turned towards him.
@@Angelimir You see the same stuff in staff fighting, especially bo-staff fighting. Lots of spinning both the staff and your self for power or area denial.
@@SomeGunNerd Indeed. As a good montantero, you can essentially "herd" your opponents, and ultimately escape the situation (the guys drilled some scenarios with us for this, how to escape encirclement, how to get pas a line of spearmen, etc.). As a montantero, your goal is never to win - it is to survive.
The men demonstrating the use of a greatsword seem to know their business, but if I ever go to a live exhibition like this I'll be watching from a distance much farther away than the spectators in the video did. There's no chance I'd sit that close to a guy flinging a sharp-edged 10 lb hunk of metal around. Nope.
Interestingly, greatswords stopped at 7 pounds, and were usually at least 5. Not that it's any less scary, but they're lighter than people think.
Is no one going to mention the bent Rapier at the end?
OMG!! When seeing those long swords being swung around like that I was thinking "Please don't let anyone get their head cut off!"...it was a bit nerve wrecking to watch...
I’m sitting here fully expecting a blade or flail to slip and fly into the crowd.
Some medieval war-scarred veteran knight must be rolling in their grave after this lmao
Three vs one really seems unfair, I feel sorry for the poor three guys ^_^
Cool!
So, you are basically a people blender when using a montante...
Yep
I hope that those helpers' rapiers weren't their own. Poor swords got all bent.
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
Could you imagine you and your boys on the battlefield, confident in your sword training and carving down pagans left and right. Suddenly two of these longbois show up like General Grievous.
I'm far from being knowing anything about sword fighting but the only hole in this that i could see is how long you can last in swinging around that blade i guess. I can imagine it being heavier and heavier as you swing around.
Man, a fighting game of high Calibur, using this weapon & style, would be a real Nightmare . . .
looks like ton of fun
I need to see this against shields, but credit where credit is due... Beautiful crowd control and serving up a healthy dose of DO NOT COME IN HERE
Exactly! Gandalf would applaud this performance; "you shall not pass", while i hold the line until side accomplishes what needs doing, whether it's fleeing or reforming elsewhere, or buying time for more soldiers to arrive, in a battle field, the montante doesn't rack up kills, it buys minutes or hours as your side uses the safe time to gain Advantage.
Medieval social distancing.
More please!!!!
Hermoso, donde practicais???
that's late montante isn't it? very impressive?
Damn, his looking like the witcher :) .
What rings did they wear for that build?, someone knows?
Pride of the lusoiberians, shown by hardcore scandinavians
Woah where'd the other videos go???
Brilliant example of control! I see you follow Godinho!
Could you please describe the Flail used? It looked very long! How long is the handle and how long the chain?
Not an exact measurement but it is somewhere between 160-170cm in total, as long as some of the swords we use.
The chain reaches barely to the hand from the top of the handle when held idle.
@@ModernSwordsman Thanks for the information!
Imagine you've been hired to assassinate a someone, pretty easy right? Wrong! Because their body guard to be some level 900 Chad landeschket who took spinning lessons from a helicopter.
What happened to your rules of luis barbaran videos??? They were privated for some reason? Can you tell me why? I loved those videos!
It makes me think than even if you are fast and you reach your oponent with your rapier the montante will also slash you because of momentum.
Play it in 2x speed...
Badass!
Scania, Sweden looks a lot like Iowa!
I wonder the rapiers are quick enough to land a hit and get back when the montante is swung backwards
Imagine the carnage if he let go.
This is why civilizations invested so much in ranged weapons, this shit is hard and scary.
Greatswords are not that heavy (2 kg on average) but damn, those swings take a lot of stamina.
Ah yes, using it for what it was designed for: controling a space
Germans in the 14th Century be like:
"Und zen I pulled out a comically large Sword! Funniest Schite I've ever seen!"
Just imagine a giant well built german rush you with this sword, literally horror
Cool how your opponents all pause while your back is exposed.
Diego Garcia de Paredes used it as a toothpick or two at the same time😎
I used to know this guy who liked to spar with two of these, didn't hit hard but it was hard to get past anyway
Its amazing how you can control people with tiny rapierts with a greatsword and none of them ever had the idea of picking up a stick or a pitchfork.
Hmm... so this is where they got their inspiration from when creating The Witcher 3)
Kind of scary to swing all those weapons close to people watching.
That was awesome!
My experience of longsword/zweihander is that half of how you defend is by using footwork to bring people into distance and then suddenly attacking or feinting. When your opponent is unsure whether he is safe you win by stopping him from being able to attack.
This display is informative but you look like you are doing a dance rather than trying to hurt them.
Thinking about equipment -no one is wearing any kind of armour and you are using a real sword, so it makes sense that you want to keep it more like a simple dance than a combat, so I think you could improve it - by working out how to include offence and aggression, but I thought you did very well.
Yeah.. that weapon is no joke.. HEMA spars.. doesn't really do it as much justice, just because it's such a godamn fast and dangerous weapon.. absolutely beautiful. Anyone trying to charge into that.. will probably end up disabled or dying.. even with armor..
Live demonstration of Chivalry Medieval Warfare gameplay
interesting situations.
It's just like my japanese animes!
Aka whirl of witcher 3 but I still dont believe it works with geralts sword (103.7cm 40.5 inch)
No, but just imagine a witcher with a greatsword. Now imagine if there was a mod that made it real.
its interesting to see them sing i thoguht hema discouraged that
In case you mean spinning, it's usually a bad idea. However, this weapon, the montante, was specifically intended for use against multiple opponents. Spinning lets you cover more area and engage several people.
@@ThornForTheWynn yeah i learn't that abit after. I do hema now so i understand the concept.
@@ringadingding7667 Awesome! Glad to hear that you started. What weapons/systems do you practice, if I may ask?