Pretty sure I said "flow" about a thousand times in this video... 😬 But let's hear what you think - is the VisionPro a serious device that's going to change how you make stuff or is it just a cool way to watch movies, play video games, and do some basic spatial computing?
Loved this, Matthew. I was listening to the Huberman Lab podcast and he mentioned that when your focus is narrower, your cognitive focus is also narrower. I can imagine that with the Vision Pro and those virtual environments, it'll really allow editors to lock in and narrow their focus only on the editing screen.
I think it's all about Apple's cash flow. Thanks, I'll be here all day. This definitely seems like a 1st gen device (obvs it is for Apple, but not for VR headsets in general), and people are definitely paying the early adopter rate for something that will be much, much better after some revisions. I think for people trying to do work with it, whatever that work is, the physical experience of dealing with the device will have to be much simpler, more streamlined, less obtrusive for it to actually improve their work
Agreed. And it will be. What's crazy, though, is the iPhone and the iPad are essentially the same after all these years. Sure the software and hardware inside is much more capable, but my old iPhone 3GS is, in essence, the same form factor as my iPhone 13 Pro Max: a thin metal/glass rectangle. I think the AVP will definitely slim down and Apple might come up with an elegant solution for the battery being tethered but I bet 10 years from now it's still a pair of ski goggles that wrap around your face.
@@matthewTobrien Well, I for one do not like doing anything productive on my phone or iPad. I tried FCP on the iPad Pro and found it to be cumbersome and uncomfortable. Removing the tactility and replacing everything with touch screens and gestures isn't always an improvement
Ok so I've used it for the last 5 days and edited pretty much an entire 25min video using multiple streams of 6k RED footage, and I think the level of immersion you get with this is better in someways and not so much in others. The size of the screen, the additional VisionOS panels, and the fact you can enter an environment to block everything out makes it really useful. But you gotta put something on your face. It's not as seamless both in comfort and how much strain it puts onto your eyeballs like a monitor would.
This is great insight, BT! Appreciate you working through your FCP workflow with "the flow" in mind. It's honestly one of the biggest factors in helping me decide to adopt tech like this for my work so your feedback has been incredibly valuable. Can't wait to see some vids all about it!
I’m testing quest 3 mainly just for reading books, surfing a bit of internet and movies. It’s fun and I think it’s a chance of getting taste of AVP. If you can find good head strap it’s not heavy at all. Having a screen or a few as big as you like even in a place where it would be hard to have it is amazing.
I think it's an early iteration, but it has potential in many directions. It virtualises displays, which I think is significant. (It's now about 2x the price of a display) I also like how it unifies the viewfinder with the camera, and takes auto-focus one step along. (I'm very curious about creating images and video which have eye-tracking focus on playback! What's that going to be like to watch?) And I think with background removal on the fly, Apple have essentially taken LED volumes and shrunk the warehouse down to the size of a headset - which is fun because the camera as we know it represents the miniaturisation of architecture, shrinking down a room to the size of a box you can carry around with you. People no longer needed to be 'in camera' to see the picture. So Apple is being inspired by, and repeating history. I also think augmented reality is a bigger deal than virtual reality. PS. The War of Art is one of my favourite books. I used to be very hung up on inspiration, which I ritualised in a very autistic sort of way. I still have rituals, but I don't pretend I need rituals to be inspired or inspiration to work. I remind myself with the mantra, 'Just do your fcking job'
VisionPro is the next step. But when it comes to the weight it is too heavy and that battery capacity is too low. What can a person do in two hours? There are useful things you can do with it. Like developing 3D models and look at them realtime. Games, movies, reading and socials for fun. The quality is very high and I think this will be a start of something new. Will it be in our home? No, not this model. Wearing reading glasses is a pain in the b....and with more than 1.5 Kilo on my face this new device is not something that I can work with. We'll see what happens. Let all those people who have it find out for us and share their experiences.
Agreed. I’m excited for its potential, and I would definitely love to try one out. My other concern is all that blue light being piped directly into your eyeballs… that can’t be good for you long term.
@@matthewTobrien I noticed that very young boys and girls wear glasses. They sit behind their small screens all day. They also get practice at school: 'look away from the screen' after 20 minutes to relax and practice the eye muscles. Overloading the eyes with blue light could be the next wave of visual problems we're facing. Apple has made brilliant products and I absolutely love using my M2 Pro, but to keep the balance I often switch off the screen, read paper books, hike outside with my four legged Jack Russel friend Stitch and enjoy nature. Disconnected from the electronic worlds we all create.
Well there's a lot of talk about an epidemic of myopia as a result of kids not being outside in the sun long enough. Their eyes elongate and create vision problems that can't be reversed from what I understand. Even in winter, we try to make sure our kids are outside in the sun playing and avoiding the lure of screens...
That is a very good advice @@matthewTobrien As kids we went outside all the times. Making castles out of snow and ice skating was our daily routine. Same with the pandemic. As soon as I heard everyone stayed inside, we went outside. Took the ferry to the island Texel and went for long walks on the beach. Nobody was there. We brought our own food and drinks. Never had any problems with Covid. We just took our distance towards other people. No lack of sunlight at all. I love working on my computer, but after 1-2 hours I take a break. Good for relaxing the eyes.
I’m not sold on it as the next step in human device relations. This tech feels clunky and “cool”, not revolutionary. I think I see several use cases, but not a new world order.
I don't think we're close to a new world order like we saw with the iPhone, but I do think we're going to see a major shift in how we do personal computing. My biggest reservation is having all that blue light piped directly into my eyeballs for 8-10 hrs a day.
Pretty sure I said "flow" about a thousand times in this video... 😬 But let's hear what you think - is the VisionPro a serious device that's going to change how you make stuff or is it just a cool way to watch movies, play video games, and do some basic spatial computing?
According to your transcript you said it 32 times!
Loved this, Matthew. I was listening to the Huberman Lab podcast and he mentioned that when your focus is narrower, your cognitive focus is also narrower. I can imagine that with the Vision Pro and those virtual environments, it'll really allow editors to lock in and narrow their focus only on the editing screen.
Thanks, buddy! That's a great point, and I agree. Maybe that's why I surround my head with 4 monitors!
I think it's all about Apple's cash flow. Thanks, I'll be here all day. This definitely seems like a 1st gen device (obvs it is for Apple, but not for VR headsets in general), and people are definitely paying the early adopter rate for something that will be much, much better after some revisions. I think for people trying to do work with it, whatever that work is, the physical experience of dealing with the device will have to be much simpler, more streamlined, less obtrusive for it to actually improve their work
Agreed. And it will be. What's crazy, though, is the iPhone and the iPad are essentially the same after all these years. Sure the software and hardware inside is much more capable, but my old iPhone 3GS is, in essence, the same form factor as my iPhone 13 Pro Max: a thin metal/glass rectangle.
I think the AVP will definitely slim down and Apple might come up with an elegant solution for the battery being tethered but I bet 10 years from now it's still a pair of ski goggles that wrap around your face.
@@matthewTobrien Well, I for one do not like doing anything productive on my phone or iPad. I tried FCP on the iPad Pro and found it to be cumbersome and uncomfortable. Removing the tactility and replacing everything with touch screens and gestures isn't always an improvement
Ok so I've used it for the last 5 days and edited pretty much an entire 25min video using multiple streams of 6k RED footage, and I think the level of immersion you get with this is better in someways and not so much in others. The size of the screen, the additional VisionOS panels, and the fact you can enter an environment to block everything out makes it really useful. But you gotta put something on your face. It's not as seamless both in comfort and how much strain it puts onto your eyeballs like a monitor would.
This is great insight, BT! Appreciate you working through your FCP workflow with "the flow" in mind. It's honestly one of the biggest factors in helping me decide to adopt tech like this for my work so your feedback has been incredibly valuable. Can't wait to see some vids all about it!
This is a good important topic. Well said.
Appreciate that! Appreciate you watching.
I love the questions that you bring up in this video Matthew. I look forward to seeing where this takes us creatives.
Appreciate that, Josh. Thanks for stopping by to watch!
I’m testing quest 3 mainly just for reading books, surfing a bit of internet and movies. It’s fun and I think it’s a chance of getting taste of AVP. If you can find good head strap it’s not heavy at all. Having a screen or a few as big as you like even in a place where it would be hard to have it is amazing.
I think it's an early iteration, but it has potential in many directions. It virtualises displays, which I think is significant. (It's now about 2x the price of a display) I also like how it unifies the viewfinder with the camera, and takes auto-focus one step along. (I'm very curious about creating images and video which have eye-tracking focus on playback! What's that going to be like to watch?) And I think with background removal on the fly, Apple have essentially taken LED volumes and shrunk the warehouse down to the size of a headset - which is fun because the camera as we know it represents the miniaturisation of architecture, shrinking down a room to the size of a box you can carry around with you. People no longer needed to be 'in camera' to see the picture. So Apple is being inspired by, and repeating history. I also think augmented reality is a bigger deal than virtual reality.
PS. The War of Art is one of my favourite books. I used to be very hung up on inspiration, which I ritualised in a very autistic sort of way. I still have rituals, but I don't pretend I need rituals to be inspired or inspiration to work. I remind myself with the mantra, 'Just do your fcking job'
Haha - that's a great mantra! Yeah, we gotta clock in and just crank out the work. Plus, for me, the joy is in the revisions.
Flow state is the number one use case for me. I'm working on a very large philosophical project, and that will be my primary use.
Love it. Would love to know more about it...
@@matthewTobrien well, I’m getting on an airplane right now from Guatemala to Miami to pick up my AVP. I’ll keep you updated 😃
@@matthewTobrien just found this app
Nice!!!
I’ll let you know by the end of the day
Yes! Looking forward to your thoughts.
Will AVP get you in the flow? No 😂 I think it will be even more frustrating…but, I can’t wait to see you try it!
I think I know where Apple may be headed with the AVP and FCP, and I think it could definitely get me in the flow...
M2 chip with 16gig of ram would ruin my flow editing on it 😭
True... if the editing happened ON the VisionPro. Which it might one day... For now it's just extending your Mac's display.
@@matthewTobrienso, is working like a external monitor, right?
It doesn't happen on the Vision Pro.
VisionPro is the next step. But when it comes to the weight it is too heavy and that battery capacity is too low. What can a person do in two hours? There are useful things you can do with it. Like developing 3D models and look at them realtime. Games, movies, reading and socials for fun. The quality is very high and I think this will be a start of something new.
Will it be in our home? No, not this model. Wearing reading glasses is a pain in the b....and with more than 1.5 Kilo on my face this new device is not something that I can work with. We'll see what happens. Let all those people who have it find out for us and share their experiences.
Agreed. I’m excited for its potential, and I would definitely love to try one out. My other concern is all that blue light being piped directly into your eyeballs… that can’t be good for you long term.
@@matthewTobrien I noticed that very young boys and girls wear glasses. They sit behind their small screens all day. They also get practice at school: 'look away from the screen' after 20 minutes to relax and practice the eye muscles.
Overloading the eyes with blue light could be the next wave of visual problems we're facing.
Apple has made brilliant products and I absolutely love using my M2 Pro, but to keep the balance I often switch off the screen, read paper books, hike outside with my four legged Jack Russel friend Stitch and enjoy nature. Disconnected from the electronic worlds we all create.
Well there's a lot of talk about an epidemic of myopia as a result of kids not being outside in the sun long enough. Their eyes elongate and create vision problems that can't be reversed from what I understand. Even in winter, we try to make sure our kids are outside in the sun playing and avoiding the lure of screens...
That is a very good advice @@matthewTobrien As kids we went outside all the times. Making castles out of snow and ice skating was our daily routine.
Same with the pandemic. As soon as I heard everyone stayed inside, we went outside. Took the ferry to the island Texel and went for long walks on the beach. Nobody was there. We brought our own food and drinks. Never had any problems with Covid. We just took our distance towards other people. No lack of sunlight at all. I love working on my computer, but after 1-2 hours I take a break. Good for relaxing the eyes.
no flow and no go makes mat a dull boy
Hahahaha that's great
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Yeah, buddy!
I’m not sold on it as the next step in human device relations. This tech feels clunky and “cool”, not revolutionary. I think I see several use cases, but not a new world order.
I don't think we're close to a new world order like we saw with the iPhone, but I do think we're going to see a major shift in how we do personal computing. My biggest reservation is having all that blue light piped directly into my eyeballs for 8-10 hrs a day.