America's Sexual Suicide | Doug Wilson & George Gilder
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2023
- Douglas Wilson and George Gilder discuss themes from George's early books, "Men and Marriage" and "Sexual Suicide."
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Love this quote " Men are like trucks , they drive better and straighter with heavy loads " .
I appreciated the comment that recognizes that the toxicity of masculinity is when true masculinity is absent.
Adding facts about people born with intersex characteristics to all school curricula is smart, prudent, and ethically very appreciatively necessary immediately
look, a troll ^
It’s a bit too ironic considering these two men are FAR from masculine lol. I mean let’s be honest, these two aren’t going to show up in any dictionary definition of masculinity. They’re not feminine. But these two guys are as weak and unhealthy as it gets.
@EducationMorePlease ... I agree... educating children that individual with those characteristics are genetic anomalies and the result of a genetic mutation resulting in the individual being sterile and unable to reproduce naturally. Educating children of the rare medical conditions, secondary complications and the accompanying psychological disorders would help children better understand how destructive feeding the delusions of mentally ill people by ignoring their medical condition instead of helping to treat it.
I could easily see how the suicide rate of those individuals would reduce instead of continuing to increase....
Lies ....regardless of how nice or sweetly you convey them... are still lies...
The objective TRUTH of Yahweh reality.... regardless of how offended your flesh is..... is STILL the objective Truth of Yahwehs reality...
Despite the greatest attraction attempts of fallen men and women to reform the world around themselves with deceptive language .... otherwise known witchcraft and sorcery... by definition
#repentandbelieveinthegospel
I’d say it’s not that. It’s that masculinity can either be building or destroying. It grows toxic if it’s not properly tempered by a man in control.
Best discussion I’ve heard in a while. I e told my wife of 23 years this forever “ you have no idea what thoughts go through a man’s head. The things he’d do if he didn’t have a family and a wife “. Not things he wants to do. Just things he’d be liable to do if untethered ….
I don't know if this is a factor but for me, at a fairly young age, in my 30's, I began to look forward to the blessing of grandchildren. For me it was a strong motivating and civilizing factor. This made divorce an impossibility. I wanted to experience them side by side with their grandmother and have. Now in our mid 60's the notion of Granddaddy and Grandmommy not being together is unthinkable. Nothing but death can separate us and that only for a time.
We need to teach our children about the beauty of the intergenerational legacy and to consider the almost casual attitude the culture has toward divorce to be a destructive and evil thing.
Kids with divorced grandparents whom have found new partners would have twice as many granddaddy’s and grandmommy’s !
That’s awesome that what you looked forward to came to be in that way and I’m sure it wasn’t always easy. God bless you.
I am now looking forward to if God wills, being a great grandmother in the next year! We are truly blessed by our children’s children!
Thinking generationally is a huge thing. God bless you, my friend.
@@aallen5256quantity over quality of a deep and abiding relationship with someone who has treasured the beauty of real love - and all of the trappings, good and hard, that come with it - is not a good trade. I say this as someone with multiple grandparents on both sides due to generations of divorce. The “freedom” that comes with divorce becoming normal in society robs our children and grandchildren of the beautiful heritage and legacy that gives them a vision of something worth fighting for.
"Man's only link to the future is through the womb of the woman." That belongs in a frame somewhere important.
a lifetime of nagging
@@globescape4771 I'm not sure what you mean but it comes across kinda loserish.
When everyone is interviewing Andrew Tate, it’s refreshing to hear men who have their head on straight, address the cultural issues we’re facing.
I understand, but how is it that we've had feminism for several decades and most Christians are complacent, but 1 Andrew Tate, and all the Christian men take up arms?? So magnanimous with one side and hostile with the other side of the SAME COIN (feminism and masclin-ism)....
Yes, this is much needed.
@@angru_arches Good question, here's some thoughts (assuming you actually want to know).
First, other than conversations that I have personally started, I've actually only heard a handful of Christians criticizing Tate, and they've all been on UA-cam. So there's really not that many Christian men "taking up arms." But, is it a bad thing if all Christian men recognized that what Tate did and is doing is wrong? After all, the Bible is pretty clear about this stuff.
Second, perhaps the reason why I find myself criticizing Tate is because I am a man and I know a man should know better. So maybe it's sort of a tribal thing, because I am a man, Tate is a man, Tate is taking advantage of young men and Tate is not a good influencer for men.
Third, there have been numerous criticisms of feminism by Christians over the years. Go back and check out some of Dr. James Dobson's talks on Focus on the Family. The problem is that people have not recognized some of the subtle ways that feminism has been affecting society and the church world. Interestingly enough, it has been women who have been sounding the alarm by educating the world on the errors and history of feminism (Rachel Wilson, Rebekah Merkle, etc.), which brings me to the fourth consideration.
Tate's situation has been made very public. His huge following has made him famous and his recent big interviews have caught the attention of people like me, whom wouldn't otherwise know anything about him. Anyone who's famous is going to be criticized, including women. If you go look through Doug Wilson's videos, you'll see some. He's certainly not the only one with critical commentary. Kamala Harris' views and actions have received plenty of criticism, but she is out there in the public's eye.
Fifth, women have always been considered the weaker sex and Christian men have always considered themselves to be obligated to protect them as such. Chivalry was born in a Christian society. This plays out in different ways. On one hand, we see Tate as someone who needs restrained because he's literally confessed to, and advocated for, the exploitation of women. On the other, we tend to exercise too much self restraint when it comes to criticizing the actions of females, and perhaps to a fault.
@@angru_archesI am a Christian, and I completely agree with you. The Christians in the west are embarrassing, and cowards. They want to condemn Andrew Tate, Kevin Samuel etc. for doing their best to fight for men’s right, but did nothing for men’s right when it has been under attack for decades. It’s disgusting, and it’s the reason Christianity in the west is a joke.
@@angru_arches you raise a good point. Where are the younger Christian men at to take the place of Tate? It just seems that religion has fallen out of favor so badly with the culture that it’s going to be hard to get it back in
Why don’t more people know about gilder? His work on information theory was the best that Silicon Valley had to offer. A true innovator!
It seems like he hasn't been doing many interviews. There's not much you can find on UA-cam.
Wilson always surprises, and nearly always in a good way! (In this case, by his ability to persuade Gilder to chat publicly). @@littlemeadowpress
Great interview! As a woman, I always thought that the desire to have babies was only a characteristic of being a woman (this in spite of the narrative of feminism). But what I heard from Gilder was a strong case for the men’s desire to also have babies, which in Gilder’s view is part of a man’s viability into the future, and works out the positive and constructive side of masculinity. Masculinity, sounds to me, is the force that drives men to build a future even through their children. Men are builders. We need men to build, and build until the Lord returns!
No wonder the narratives of today seek to destroy men’s building things up and instead deceive society into thinking that we don’t need men to be men.
Wow, what a powerful observation. First, drive the Father away and then chase the mothers away in the black family through government legislation. This is my era growing up.
Insightful conversation God bless your ministry pastor wilson
Excellent informing, and entertaining conversation. I hope his books are available as audiobooks.
This was a great conversation and sounds like an interesting book. Even in my own extended family I’ve noticed that the adult men in marriages seem to be doing much better than the single men, especially when it comes to finances, responsible behavior and mental health.
Great discussion and so relevant today as it was yesterday. Opened up so meany rabbit holes for more study and insight loved it and appreciate all you do for others ,for the Glory of God
Terrific video, thankyou, Sirs.
Wow totally loved this talk.
George is fantastic!
My introduction to Gilder was the book Information Theory. This was a read for a book club and honestly I can remember one concept out of the whole book. He was able to hop on the online book club a couple times and he seemed like such an interesting fellow and very intelligent.
Interesting interview thanks for uploading
Back in the early seventies when I was in high school, it was announced by the homosexuals that they are out of the closet. I was not a Christian and did not know what that meant, but I knew it wasn’t good. Most of us were confused that his was happening. Our world sexually has been in a downward spiral ever since. Now we as Christians are told to be quiet and get in the closet. The Lord will have the final say on this issue.
The heaviest weight we carry is pride. (Heb 12:1) feminism is steeped in pride
Love it, Doug.
Amazing wisdom
Gilder's attributing to women an "impregnable" superiority, even if he meant "unimpregnable," is a great *bon mot.*
Love the idea of rampant men for good.
Nice Brandenburg Concerto no. 3 in G Major I. in the beginning
“The feminist were ignoramus’ “.. what a great line😂👍🏻 I grew up during the “I am women hear me roar, as they brought home the bacon and fry up in a pan, while they were smoking a Virginia Slims cigarettes era . And we are paying the price now some 50 plus years later.🤦🏻♂️
Sucks you had such a bad relationship with your mother, growing up.
Oh look a troll 👆
@@DM-dk7jsTroll😂
Love mycanonplus!
i have a question that gets into quite personal issues that are not appropriate for this platform. i am a paralyzed army vet, who is a slave of CHRIST, Husband of One, and Father of Two, ministering in The ILL-State. Where can i send a very serious question to Brother Doug?
Ruthless or hopeless. Truth
I acknowledge I have not listened to the whole video but I'm about three quarters of the way through and they are talking about how it used to be younger marriages for the average. I would just like to point out that before that in the 19th and 18th century it was incumbent upon a responsible young man in a responsible family to establish himself and as the Proverbs puts it establishes Fields or fire assets or fight in some wars so he can bring home some booty to help support a family. Our founders like John Adams etc wouldn't be thinking about marriage until they had already established their practice for some sort of merchant occupation and that generally wouldn't happen until after they were age 28. At that point time you would have young women who would be brought up in finishing homes and would be debuted and eligible bachelors would be invited and courtships would be started. Just think if we had a bunch of young men who actually had occupations who had enough money to build a house for their beautiful wives who have been trained to operate the household like a Abigail adamswood and there was enough money to keep things going. just think of all the arguments about money that would not be happening. Proverbs says not to build your house until after you establish your fields. And proverbs 31 talks about how a woman has been given a household to manage. I put the two together and would posit that young men should not be thinking about women till they can build a house without debt to give to their new bride.
Now apply all that thinking to our modern capitalist system where there is limited resources, limited space, limited housing, limited jobs, limited choices..and you, the keen young male has to compete in the free market while the more powerful already fill all the places, own all the resources and control all the capital.
Doing all that without debt is impossible in our current society. The Federal Reserve made sure of that. I have a good job, a salaried job, but my wife and I still have to rent an apartment and she is looking for work so that we can cover all of the bills.
@@DJWESG1
Cop out. The resources are present. It can still be done. Perhaps this is true in some cities, so relocation might be needed. And I have no crystal ball to see tomorrow, so I can't say where we will be next year.
And the Churches are full of marriagable, worthy young women waiting for those fine upstanding young men.
@@DJWESG1
“Victim” mentality won’t get you anywhere.
They are mostly there but both Doug and George could take a few classes in the red pill to update and complete the theory for a more complete view of what has and is happening
I am married but we have no children. That doesn't make me a gangster, far from it. More than having my genes living on, I am motivated by learning about this world.
Trans is just the feminist approach to blur gender lines.
Love your work, Doug. Honest question here: How can we defend infant circumcision in the days of genital mutilation of minors for "gender affirming care"? Thanks in advance for any help.
I assure you all the men and boys in my family, from ages 11-70, know what we are and are thoroughly affirmed and happy about it. There is no correlation, it is a non sequitur.
Why should either be tolerate? Someone cut off so much that I couldn't even have sex.
Great topic of discussion. God's design is patriarchal. A society or people who fight against the good design He built into men and women will inevitably fail. The American family has been incrementally breaking down for over 60 years now because so many have rebelled against God's good design for a wicked one.
The American family or the nuclear family?
Seems this idea of the family changes depending on where and when you lived and never conformed to any one principle
Did he refer to “trans women” as her and she?
Yes. These are a couple of academics and in order to be a man you have to have as they say the equipment. So if you don't have the equipment you definitely not a man in the academic sense. I don't know what you call a eunuch good night I do know what you call a bull who's been castrated but these guys have all the equipment taken off.
.. sippin on that fine 'Gnac, eh, Doug? 🍷🥴
He is conflicting a decade or two in his retrospective recollection - the sixties instead of the seventies, I was about 25 instead of about 35, or even the sixties instead of the eighties… but actually this is not essential
I read how Margaret Mead came to faith in Jesus before her death.
you have a link for that?
The church must step up and run for public office, join law enforcement, become very present in society. That’s Gods will, to have Jesus lead through his church until he makes all his enemies his footstool.
I think we should remember that some of this stuff, while it may be true, is based on natural reasoning and observation. For instance the part about women having a leg up sexually, therefore men have to try to prove themselves through external acts, like going to the moon. We just need to keep in mind, that while interesting, this is not strictly biblical, and is taking a departure from an explicit commands of scripture.
Scripture must be subordinated to reality wherever they conflict. Words cannot supersede observed truth.
Women do chose their mates, not men. Men compete for women. In marriage, women get food and protection for themselves and children which is a physical NEED. Men get what out of it? They dont NEED women physically . Basically men only get love out of it.
Men get children through marriage to women. They get to raise those children if they stay married to their women. Besides children, marriage gives men purpose, goals. And if they’re lucky: companionship, humor, cleaning and cooking.
I call it self inflicted genocide .
Is this guy a believer?
Can't get divorced if you don't get married 😅
Accomplished women should marry accomplished men? Women aren't supposed to be accomplished.
I guess it was Constantine that changed Christianity from a choice to a requirement. Nobody comes to Jesus against their will. Only those who are willing come to Jesus. This is how we get the Inquisition and other violations of the commandments Jesus gave us. Onward Christian soldiers. People going to war to kill their non-believing neighbors in Jesus' name. Of course, it's always been more about money and power than anything else. This is not a real model for following Jesus. Jesus did none of these things and He warned us all to also not do them. So, we say we're following Jesus, but in truth, we're going in the opposite direction from Him. Salvation is the goal of Christianity, not nationalism. If the majority of people in a nation truly follow Jesus, then, that can save said nation. What we intend though is much different from that. We are going to legislate sin out of this nation. This has historically produced the most profound corruption of the faith that has ever been accomplished. It will be no different here in the U.S.
That wasn’t Constantine. Constantine ruled that Christianity would be tolerated. It was in 380, a generation later that Theodosius made it the “official” religion of the empire.
Ahh, thanks for the clarification.@@logicaredux5205
I think about how many Christian Karen moms end up making raging athiests. A nation with such Karens as leaders is going to have the population do the exact same thing.
Lol. No
"So, it is Not of Him who wills", Roman's. GOD Changes the will, Takes Out the Heart of Stone and Puts In the Heart of Flesh, Making One Obey HIS Commands, Ezekiel.
John 6, No one can come to ME unless The FATHER Drags/Draws Them ...I will Raise Them Up on the Last Day. SOVEREIGN GRACE, or No Grace at all -100% n 360° undeserved.
What bourbon is that