dude a city level or hub area where if you used your lightsaber the empire would bring down the hammer so you have to use a blaster to attract less attention would be so sick
Truly my biggest gripe about Fallen Order was the lack of fast travel. They could implement a fast travel feature on the meditation pads where you can rest on them and then fast travel either to your ship (there's a meditation pad on your ship in Fallen Order) or to one you've discovered on that same planet so far. This means on your first visit to a planet, you'll still need to explore it and complete the story path, but these fast travel options will alleviate the annoyance of having to hitchhike back to your ship on a huge planet that's easy to get lost in. It doesn't have to break immersion, just put it in the meditation pads like you did the training simulations post-launch.
Or now that the trailer showed you can tame animals, you could hitch a ride on a giant bird/bat/dragon back to the mantis or any meditation spots that are out in the open
but that would break some of the story moments, like when you go into the tomb in zeffo and gain force push or something and then come out and the goats outside are replaced by stormtroopers. Then the other story part where when youre coming back from one of the planets youre ambushed by bounty hunters. These would never happen if you can just fast travel back to the ship. Id say just have better shortcuts. The level design was ok but not the best since shortcuts often also required long travels to get to, especially annoying was the ice caves place... getting to and from the venator wreck is a pain in the butt.
I think my biggerst issue with Fallen Order is the stim timing, it getting cancelled by every thing and having to wait for BD to throw me one and for Cal to use it so I can get healed, specially on fights that i have little to no time to breathe, cause the enemy have a dash to get cloe so me or a ranged atack.
That was me against Malicos in GrandMater difficulty. Many of the times I deis were when I was trying to heal an Malicos decided to do some jump atack to reach me.
I just picked up Fallen Order for $10 on sale... I only picked it up because it was so cheap on Steam and din't expect much, but I was plesantly surprised and entertained. The gameplay wasn't bad, but it was nothing new or spectacular, it was the story that drew me in and the characters that felt fully fleshed out and relatable. I was more than happy to simply play it through in story mode with no intention to put any more time into it after the story was complete. So for me it was short but served it's purpose.
Something that I have always wanted is a combat system surrounding the 7 lightsaber forms. I don't think that we could expect 7 different combo chains, but I think choosing a form, receiving passives and hindrances and maybe some different animations is doable. An example is how form 2 makes one on one duels easier, which could translate to making parry windows larger, increasing posture damage or increasing damage against posture broken enemies. They could make blaster deflections harder and hinder abilities that deal with groups. Form 6 is used to focus on force abilities over leaning on your lightsaber. This could be the only form to passively Regen force power, make them cheaper or something else. Possibly decrease posture damage or health damage output. Another interesting system that would be interesting could be a passive and active force perk system. Imagine the chip system in Nier Automata, where some chips require more energy. Imagine a system where your force connection is like that energy bar, and you can take certain passives and active abilities+ modifiers that make up your increasing force connection. I found it odd how much difference there was between normal attacks and the force imbued lightsaber attacks. I get there is stuff like force speed, but still. Finally an interesting showing of progression could be to change the type of game it is based off. Dark souls inspired games try to make the combat more grounded* where any foe can kill you if you don't respect it. Which makes sense for a Padawan, but after the last game and training, Cal should be like a knight and so if the game choose a different inspiration, like DMC, that would be an interesting way to represent that. An interesting idea is to take DMC5's Virgil concentration meter and take it to star wars. The light side requires focus where the dark side requires passion. I could see the game make you go down a dark side path if you go wild and less focused by getting hit. Staying centered by deflecting everything could lead to staying in light side. Maybe having the power of a DMC character is not equal to a Jedi knight and more akin to that of a Jedi master. It's an idea for later? Just some of the nerdiest thoughts imaginable.
Probably not quite DMC levels of power, but it would be advisable for them to make a forms system as you suggest. Maybe have him collect holocrons explaining each form during the course of the story, perhaps even making a handful of form exclusive techniques.
Fallen Orders parry timings are also a bit weird They seem to be a decent bit earlier than "as the strike comes in", which means you can't really instinctively parry them like you can in sekiro
On JGM I always felt like the parry window was way smaller than Sekiro, which was surprisingly really forgiving, but didn't really have your experience I guess.
@@binksmagnus ime it wasn't the actual size of the window just when it starts and ends in the animation I only really noticed because I was doing a playthrough of sekiro along side JFO It was much easier to ditch the "learned" timings in sekiro and just go on pure instinct than it was on JFO (in my opinion because of the placement of the parry window)
Yeah, and there is also an issue with what happens after the window ends. In Sekiro the parry window is always accompanied by a much larger block window that is after the parry window, so you aren't punished so hard for parrying to early. In Fallen Order parry window is early and there is no safety net, after missing a parry you can't really try to start parrying the rest of the combo like you did in Sekiro, In my opinion moving the parry window later and adding a block window after the parry window would greatly benefit FO and incentive learning how to parry consistently. I really liked the game but it really is "Sekiro but worse". Although being like Sekiro is fine, Sekiro is a masterpiece.
@@mateuszsotys3912 In the case of Sekiro and Fallen Order, I believe they were both released around the same time so the devs probably only had the Souls games as reference (where the parry timing also sucks). I hope Respawn have sat down and studied Sekiro this time around and implemented its best features into Survivor.
I think it would be super cool if Cal accidentally tapped into the Dark Side. We could unlock an entirely new skill tree for dark side abilities. Image how awesome it would be to tear through hoards of stormtroopers with force lightning, or regaining Health after killing enemies with Force Drain! This could also open up some really interesting story potential, as Cal struggles with either embracing or fighting this new found power. That's my opinion anyway. What do you guys think?
I'm just gonna disagree on one thing areas being populated specifically in this game. The whole point is that your away from civilization trying to survive and figure out where you need to go the planets you go to are specific planets that are essentially abandoned. If anything it sets the game apart from those other star wars games it makes you feel alone the only interaction cal has is with greez and cere and all the people trying to kill you. Now for the sequel I'd agree cal isn't exactly running away or surviving so it makes way more sense in that way.
I really enjoyed this game for me the biggest issue that was so annoying was the map I was going for the platinum and trying to follow the map is so bad
You've certainly hit a lot of my feelings with Fallen Order and hopes for Jedi Surviver. Indeed I would love a way to play passively in the game with mind trick and calm animals, for a game that didn't want to focus on dark side powers they did lean a lot into aggressive gameplay with killing giving your force back and XP, feels more Sith then Jedi. Also a way to continue combos when dealing with bosses would keep combat flowing nicely and feel just like how we see it in the movies. If Fallen Order is our Assassin's Creed 1, I hope Surviver is our AC 2/Brotherhood.
I understood and accepted why cal had a limited amount of force to use in a combat encounter in the first game, being shut off for so long and being so young. However in this next game if I can’t get through a fight with a group of stormtroopers without touching any of my weapons I’ll be pissed. At this point he’s clearly much older and more in tune with the force. Also, my biggest complaint about fallen order was what you mentioned with the combat. If I break an enemies posture there should be an immediate finisher of cal elegantly slaughtering his target. If this was the case, the lightsaber combat would be so smooth and from a visual standpoint, cal would look like an absolute badass, assuming there’s a proper variety in finishers. My best example of this is in the Witcher, when you mind trick someone there’s a high chance that if you attack them while they’re dazed, you get an instant finisher, and by the end of an encounter you could have killed 5 bandits with unique brutal finishers that each feel wholeheartedly satisfying Side note: SERIOUSLY Disney fuck your dismemberment rules let me turn these goddamn scout troopers into a fucking kabab
bruh DISNEY is the reason why these storm troopers get to keep their arms? I just got into star-wars recently and the amount of shit Disney fucks up is astounding
@@yilangpeng9651 I’ve been into Star Wars since the phantom menace and ever since Disney took over the collapse in the brands quality is truly upsetting
@@yilangpeng9651 IIRC it's because China has very strict rules on mutilation shown in media and corpses in general (WoW notoriously had to censor their skeletons in the Chinese version of the game) so that's why Disney wouldn't want to mess with them...
Make the boss fights not petty. The best Fight in the game was against Taron Malicos, it's only boss fight where parry actually works properly and does anything. Compared to general combat where parrying is the focus going to a boss fight where dodging is the focus, is not only jarring it sucks to play.
Yeah, you definitely can be parry focused in the other fights against Inquisitors, it’s just way more effective to dodge. Agree it’s kind of weird since they spend the entire game pushing you to parry.
Good ideas, but please no RPG gear stuff. Cosmetics were basic, but better than the mass of God of War armours and shit in the new games compared to old. I want to keep this a Souls-like more reliant on skill growth and consistency in opposition abilities, I don't want to go anywhere near having to level gate areas or worlds when I'm leaning more to opening up choices in paths like the Zeffo/Dathomir choice alludes to. Maybe exploration could lead to more skill points, or you could have a blueprint/upgrade system a bit like Dead Space but limited to those specific upgrades to tools being on a different system to force ability upgrades you get from XP levels, like faster blaster cooldowns, faster BD-1 utils like stim speed and storage that we already had in the first game, maybe some lightsaber tweaks that affect your movesets in small ways that adjust damage speed and posture.
I think that in the post game or after you completed the planet's story, all collectibles and force locations and the like should be given points on a map, so you can find them easier. Also some type of fast travel
I love Fallen Order and I'm excited for Jedi Survivor. But still I would like a sequel to jedi knight where you are a really powerful jedi. I don't want to see Cal getting Starkiller level power though. Both series can coexist in harmony
3 min in and you gained a sub, just great vibes bro. You have a great relationship with your voice and presenting it in this format, all the best of luck to you! Oh also, Merry Christmas! (Or happy holidays :))
I can see Survivor improving on Fallen Order the way GoW 2 improved on GoW, where they basically just take everything good about it and make it better, and then take everything bad and replace it with something either less bad or way way better
The storytelling was huge. Even though that final boss fight was kind of meh, the story's resolution right after felt like an accomplishment just because of how attached you get to all the characters. Anyway, F for Trilla Great video
That moment were Vader grabbed BD-1 almost made me have a heart attack. They really built up an amazing relationship between the two and the second and a half that you think you'll loose him is super stressful. I enjoyed Fallen Order so much.
I really don't want a major stat system, the one in this game is already good enough. With points you can increase your damage and health, through progression you gain abilities, and that's enough. A complicated stat system will make the game a math game and way less skill based. I don't want enemies to interrupt executions either. In real combat scenario a soldier will not be locked in some animation and can't defend himself, execution is a game thing and should remain this way. The aspect I most want improved is the delay between when you press the button and when Cal actually reacts. Sometimes I feel I have quick reflexes but the game doesn't care, I have to "predict" when the enemy attacks.
I absolutely agree. It is so tiresome to having to focus on builds and specialization like in elden ring kind of games. I want to be able to do everything without having to worry about that part of the game. One of the best things about Fallen Order is that once you get used to them, you end up using almost every ability in the skill tree in combat depending on the situation on the regular and intuitively.
Yet again this deserves more views! I would love if they would make the combat was more like in Sekiro. Also... you should make an update on this now that the new Survivor trailer came out.
Man, thank you so much for explaining why Sekiro works where JFO doesn't. Sekiro is perhaps one of my favourite games, and Fallen Order never quite clicked the same way with me (not that I didn't enjoy it). I could never quite figure out why but hearing you explain it makes it very clear to me, it is the fact that breaking posture only gives you a free hit instead of killing the enemy (or for bosses giving a big chunk of damage like Elden Ring or God of War does). It would also deal with one of the big criticisms I see Star Wars fans level at the game, that your lightsaber feels more like a baseball bat than a laser sword that can cut through nearly anything.
Did you know the Kashyyek level as a whole tree top wookie village ruins area that was never finished, but you can go there in the game, but the game goes kind of crazy
One of the biggest things I was missing in Fallen Order was the itemization. I appreciate that I didn't experience any monetization shenanigans with the itemization, but I really wanted the pieces I chose to use to have some kind of an impact on the game. Going completely statless wasn't exactly what I wanted. Definitely enjoyed it as a whole, though.
I definitely think a jedi game should be statless, like, it's a lightsaber wtf do you want to do more damage in it? And clothing, you're a jedi you're not supposed to be hit anyway so why an armor . I like the design this way and not with stats, because stats forces grind and grind is annoyance
I think the reason the devs didn't go for an RPG stat system is because they wanted everyone to be happy with the way Cal looked (ponchos) and for players to customize their lightsabers to their hearts content. That being said, I believe a majority of fans have requested more customization. If they did switch to a stat system, I think they should make it to where any piece of armament or tech could be visually replaced with whatever other piece. This way going after chests isn't just for cosmetics, players can customize Cal how they want. On top of that I don't think people asking for a fast travel system don't appreciate the levels. It's just tedious for players who want to collect everything have to retread the same ground multiple times just to get to one area.
This is the second time I've seen someone solve the water puzzle by using slow on the fire orb thing. Pretty sure the intended strat is to throw the orb into the magnet you can turn on and off in that room
I really like what you propose with the posture meter akin to Sekiro. I think JFO already did a mostly great job when balancing realistic lightsaber damage while still be challenging, but with a more nuanced posture bar, it can still take time to beat an enemy without nerfing the lightsaber. When it comes to stats and more RPG mechanics, idk, I´m going to be the type of adventure game player that has to say they don´t want that. What they could do to spice up the rewards for exploration, without going all the way with a stat system, is maybe getting perks out of certain lightsaber parts or clothe combination. Like getting an extra stim for using X lightsaber crystal with Y hilt, or an extra Force gain when dodging with X poncho combined with outfit Y. No need of statitistics or levels while still affecting gameplay through customization.
pre ordered the upcoming star wars crap, cause I could'nt resist. I'mm desperatly hunting the feeling I had with jedi knight 2 with its story and multiplayer pvp ... I'm a lost soul
I don’t understand why companies don’t do something like idk elden ring, god of war, hogwarts legacy, cyber punk. Let’s open up the world for these games
The stat based loot system also brings in a lot of issues tho. It severly messes up the balancing and progression in both GOW 2018 and Ragnarok. I think a handcrafted parts based upgrade system would suit this game a LOT better. Also, a dash could be very nice.
You start by saying you like the game but refer to it as "Sekiro, if it sucked"?! Saying it's not as "good" as another game is one thing, but that phrasing kind of implied this one "sucks"...
Fair enough. I don't mean to say the combat as a whole sucks, and "...if Sekiro sucks" is mostly a joke. I think the combat as a whole is good, and say as much, but it's similar enough to Sekiro to warrant comparison and outclassed in almost every way within that comparison. Still love it though. Wouldn't have spent hundreds of hours speedrunning it otherwise. The soundtrack, characters, level design, art, etc. all make it rise above its flaws.
A lot here i agree with ...but please god no do not add rpg elements they are in everything now days and im sick of it, rpg elements make everything feel like a grind for power.
i loved this game when i originally played it, but i was an idiot kid back then that sucked at the combat and when i play it now it’s honestly quite bland. i really hope they improve the posture system in the sequel
is it too much to ask that lightsaber cosmetics found in chests can act as boosts? so get this. emitter can upgrade damage. hilt can upgrade the speed of attacks etc. etc.
Doing that just pushes you to always play with the strongest lightsaber hilts which ultimately takes away from the cosmetic freedom of choosing however you want your lightsaber to look.
It would be cool if every enemies had a dodging mechanic well you have to wait until they attack to swing your lightsaber to cut off something just put them in a stagger state which then you can hit them again to permanently kill them. Super weak small enemies kill you be hit once. Medium enemies twice. Minnie bosses 4 or four and bosses haft to be taken out breaking there focus and posture witch goes down like a health bar. Ok enemies do not have posture bars. I think this leaves room for creativity on enemy attacks and behavior.
14:57 Wait the Bounty Hunters despawn if they kill you? I don’t think I ever lost to any of the Bounty Hunters but what kind of garbage is that? That completely defeats the purpose of the respawn mechanic
Played it for story for few days, finished and wrapped up to collect dust. Next time I'll just watch up letsplay's on youtube. It is just not worth regular high proce that they will put on this. I expect again "0" replay level unfortunately.
Tbh I kind hope it has multiplayer. But not pvp. My favorite games are just online co-op with friends or couch co-op. If they have multiple playable characters that would work amazing.or so like Mario galaxy have the little robot controllable
Stats to me never feel good, I hope they don’t go that rout. Do I have the best this or the best that? And then you don’t enjoy the game cause your looting. Having abilities interact with each other seems like a much better idea to me.
I agree on every point but the stat based RPG progression. No one wants to hit someone with their lightsaber and realize it didn’t do lightsaber damage because it was under leveled for the planet they were on. Great vid!! but that idea in particular is dog shit and doesn’t belong in a game like this. (Just my opinion)
Sekiro is my favorite game tied with bloodborne and while im happy the combat is so similar it just overall is a lesser version of sekiros PERFECT combat system imo
The damage doesn’t match the weapon for sure. I’d like to see some change to this that makes sense without taking away the fun and the challenge. It’s like spider-man… he can pick up a car and throw it, but it takes 5 punches and a head kick to take down a regular ass human with no armor or special abilities? Yeah it would be boring to one hit kill every enemy, but it breaks immersion for me a bit. The combat is fun but too unrealistic for the character. Would make more sense for Batman or captain America or something.
I’m 100% convinced EA tried to sabotage Fallen Order, the shitty gameplay demonstration, not clarifying anything about it, leaving us in the dark until like a week before release, the launch trailer spoiling the split double saber and Vader reveal. I think EA wanted to do Respawn dirty, try and kill them like they did to Visceral Games.
I just hope there are twice the amount of enemies and much much MUCH less climbing. I didn’t enjoy Jedi climbing simulator number 1. I hope they change it for this one
I prefer the combat style of Jedi knight: Jedi academy over any other, although, you can completely cheese the game after getting the second lightsaber by picking a double lightsaber (Darth Maul style) and simply crouching while spinning your lightsaber around, no enemy can defeat you while doing this and you maw everyone down easily. but while crouching, you walk slightly slower. I haven't tried it on master mode though.
I agree. It just felt more natural than that weird refusal to stop moving when attacking that fallen order does. Though your tactic is a completely new one to me and now I absolutely need to try it
That tactic works well, but could easily be balanced out of a more modern game. I loved the strong focus on attacking with precise angles and timing with less of a focus on defense, instead basing everything off of movement. It really forces you to be conscious of your environment and to use it to your advantage.
I didn’t need fast travel:….. and then I forgot something in Kashykk and turned the game off for like 2 years XD. Some places are just super creepy and there weren’t enough shortcuts.
One of the key game mechanics that I need as someone that isn't particularly good at having sharp reflexes. It wasn't clear to me in the game how or when to Perry successfully. I would prefer on an easy mode that there is an on screen prompt telling you when to hit the button for the Perry. I also sometimes felt that the game doesn't necessarily feel like a Star Wars game. You mostly do exploration completely on your own an environment that are ranging in a diversity. One of the key features of Star Wars is having a interesting atmosphere of different aliens and cultures mixing together and we got none of that in the entire game. I think it would be important to have 1 or 2 levels that take place in an urban environment where your character can interact with a variety of different aliens species just not out on the fringe of the frontier. Star Wars feels like Star Wars when you have at least one scene in a container with multiple alien species drinking and having a good time listening to their favorite science fiction music. If you're not visiting a busy space for at some time in a Star Wars game you're not necessarily doing it right. There are a lot of great things about jet iPhone order that I absolutely adore. Lightsaber customization and lightsaber color are definitely some of my favorite things. I think it would be great to kick it up a little bit of a level and have different internal lightsaber parts that change the behavior of the weapon
I can put up with the combat, even playing with mouse and keyboard, but the puzzles got on my nerves. They're uninspiring and always seem like can be solved easily if common sense and uh...I don't know, A GLOWING SUPERHEATED ENERGY SWORD are employed.
In regards to fixing combat, I totally agree with the issues. I hated how the combat worked in that you had to work so hard to get a single hit in and it felt like you were attacking with a foam sword. I would suggest that Ghost of Tsushima has pretty much perfected this combat style. You have to parry, dodge, deflect and use skills to break the enwmies guard, but when you do, it's almost aleays an instakill. At the very least, you get to fire off a full combo tather than a single hit. If Jedi Survivor makes a few small tweaks, it'll be much better. I honestly don't know why the first game got so much praise with how lack luster the combat was.
Parry doesnt work so I will never use it. Sekiro made me so mad that when I finally beat the ogre or whatever I lost interest because I received zero dopamine beating it despite how frustrating it was. Game never gave me a reason to give it attention while playing it up to then. I havent played in two years and im still frustrated by the game. Suffice to say I will never parry in fallen order. Game has taught me repeatedly that its always the wrong action. Feels slow and lethargic for how shit the timing is at max difficulty so I rather roll. If Fallen order was more like Sekiro i wouldnt play it.
Fallen order was pretty shit. I bought it full priced expecting nothing but Star Wars. All I got was a janky mess and a generic hack’ n’ slash lightsaber that does little damage
the assumptions most people made based off of this 15 minute gameplay clip turned out to be basically universally incorrect" bro the response to that gameplay footage was overwhelmingly positive, the only real issue that people kept bringing up was how bad the wookiees looked lol.
Maybe I was in different circles at the time, because I remember basically universal criticism of the level design (and yeah, the Wookiees looked and still look bad.) Iirc Stig Asmussen even gave an interview addressing the level design criticisms assuring people that they were a lot more complex than the demo had shown.
You had me all the way up to trying to imply that a lame modern RPGlite system would make the game better. That's just not true at all. It makes no sense for a star wars game like this. Sekiro has no RPG elements and greatly benefits from the lack of them. Just adding more abilities and a skill tree that actually matters would be good like the forced unleashed
You'd have to define "RPG elements" very exclusively to say that Sekiro has none. The complexity of the progression system for the Shinobi Prosthetics by themselves kind of get my point across, and then there are the various items that increase your resistance to damage of various types (or, if you prefer, just the fact that there are different damage types) or provide immunities, damage output increases, skills that significantly alter the way you play the game (which, for all the skills in the game, JFO doesn't really have apart from Precision Evade). Whether Sekiro is a true "RPG" can definitely be debated, but almost every major game release these days has RPG elements.
@@binksmagnus Ways in which fallen order changes the combat game space via skills besides precision evade. Push & howling push: Being able to ledge kill either one or multiple smaller enemies, or being able to stun larger enemies for a cheeky combo extension (especially if mixed in with normal attacks) also allows for ranged stamina damage before unlocking saber throw. EFR: Allowing for more force recovery on a kill and even for blocking/parrying. This allows for more force use during the course of a fight (especially when playing on a difficulty which doesn't allow for force regen) The stim upgrade: I forget the name but the stim upgrade which gives you full force meter... Need I say more? Grasping pull: Allows for instakills on many enemy types (even purge troopers if you're smart about positioning) and allows for continued combo chains. Howling pull: Great utility for dual bladed AOE combos against crowds. Overhead slash & leaping slash: Literally your bread and butter for damage if you have force and before you grab the split saber strong attack, allows for Cal to break guards very easily or even insta kill. Dash strike: A gap closer which can jump over guards if you button prompt in time, can also be used as a makeshift dodge. Does more damage than a normal slash and is great for combo openers. Delay thrust/Delay combo: Combo changer, allows for basic enemies to be two shot instead of the typical three and gives the player more range on their attacks. It's not ground breaking but it is a noticeable change. Also it's one of the few variant combos in the game that isn't" press this button quickly." Sprint strike: The force free but slightly weaker version of dash strike, it's really effective on ads who like to dodge your first hit with a button read. Agile deflection: Auto block bolts when sprinting, allowing the player to remain mobile but still defend themselves from pesky gunners which make up a majority of imperial encounters. Throw/Power throw: Ya throw your lightsaber, it's hurt box can trigger both on the going and return trip hitting multiple enemies. Power throw makes it so the range is even further than before and potentially can attack even more people yet again from a safe distance. The entire unlock of the saber staff: I don't know how to further illustrate how this is game changing... Slow and it's upgrades are pretty cool too... not great but it does change the environment by temporarily taking foes out of commission. You also go on to state "And then there are the various items that increase your resistance to damage of various types (or, if you prefer, just the fact that there are different damage types) or provide immunities, damage output increases" See I've never played SSDT, at most I watched some challenge runs but I have played souls games (a lot of them) and while I know these are all standard things in those games I found myself looking at the SSDT wiki and uh there are a lot of quick items to use, but none that grant immunity. Some resistances, healing, dmg output, healing, killing or damaging oneself for gain or just to off yourself, and status ailment buffs/de-buffs. Besides that uh I wouldn't call item use RPG elements sure, but to many of them and you risk bogging down the experience and if they aren't renewable players generally "save on to them" aka they never use it. Fallen order does have a consumable, which you can find more of and even upgrade twice (or is it more than that?) but at minimum twice. I think that's fine, and since it's also your main way of healing it's encouraged to be used like the estus flask from souls games. Also on the topic of prosthetics, aren't they just abilities you find in the world? I mean that doesn't per say sound very RPG to me, hell LOZ has those and that is action adventure not a RPG. While not exactly the case for all modern RPGs most mechanically entail some type of statistical progression. Looking it over by reading up online, the only "upgrades" a player can gain via XP is though skills? Which are close enough to how they are learned in JFO. While yes you can also upgrade HP and attack power those are both locked behind bosses and minibosses as a reward. I mean... JFO kinda does the same thing. You can either buy health, posture and attack power via XP OR you can get HP, FP, and more stims via world exploration alongside XP points that also give you lore which in turn equates to more levels. It's the same deal just locked behind a different condition. On top of combat abilities the game is also changed though exploration via story locked ability gain. Slow, wallrun, push, double-jump, pull and hell even your standard saber swings can aid you in traversal. It's akin to the grappling hook in sekiro. But I still think it classifiers enough "significantly changing the way you play the game" Also from what I'm seeing on shinobi tools... they don't look like they change up the gameplay that greatly. On top of that the wiki says you only have three. But hey I could be wrong or be reading the wiki wrong beats me. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to degrade sekiro, I've heard it's a wonderful game... But I don't think FO needs what games like that have to "be better"
Fallen order is only considered a good game compared to other star wars games. We all know thats unfortunately a very low bar to meet as fallen order is only a decent to crap game compared to others like uncharted, tomb raider, and so many more.
The story is what I had the most problem with. But I loved the environment and how effective that was and played into the story like you. But unfortunately the only characters I liked and thought were interesting were Greers, Trilla (which is a big compliment because I hate the concept of inquisitors so they’re starting at a disadvantage to get me on board with them) and BD 1. The other characters were much to boring, bland, predictable, generic and cliche and also way too powerful and something we’ve seen a thousand times before and many times just in the same franchise and recently too but done much better (Kanan in Rebels). Also bugs me how many humans there are and especially how many Jedi were introduced in just the 1 game who somehow are all ridiculously human. Really cheapens order 66 and makes the galaxy very small and breaks immersion. But being a mega Star Wars fan I had a massive issue with the holocron macguffin and especially with how Vader was handled and his motivations and interactions which is a gross misunderstanding of the character’s psychology. It’s not as ridiculous or disrespectful as Kenobi but it’s still disappointing. The only content that gets Vader right is books and comics it seems. It’s also only where he gets his wins, he literally fails in every single film, game and tv show so far. Overall I loved the actual game and it’s mechanics. Hoping the next one improves the story and characters for me. And please, no more humans you xenophobes ahaha!
Humans are still the most abundant species in the Star Wars galaxy. So the lack of non humans isn’t entirely surprising. But having Jedi that were a different species would’ve been cool. Even if they made Cal a different species. Also I’m curious on why you hate the concept of the inquisitors?
@@OldBenKenobi2318 Yeah they are but it is pretty surprising and unrealistic ngl the amount that are the protagonists of stories. They don’t make up 99% of the entire galaxy’s population. It should be around less than 20% with the next most prominent species besides them being like 5% or less of the whole galaxy’s population. But we should at least have an over 80% chance of a protagonist or new Jedi or just a side character being an alien rather than a human. I give the OT a pass because of its limited budget (and retroactively lore wise the empire is racist and probably has segregation in place and obviously enslaves aliens so I can dismiss all the rebels as humans because aliens are under more scrutiny and find it harder to get out of their oppression and contribute) but despite that even back then on Tatooine they had a good alien to human ratio, you saw more alien civilians than humans and yet in the Kenobi show ridiculously despite being filmed in the modern day, 99% of background characters are human on Tatooine and everywhere else and the only alien with a speaking role is a dumb imperial sympathiser. The PT was great and realistic with the ratio and ultimately believable. Practically everyone in the senate and Jedi order that wasn’t an already established character was an alien, there were many aliens in the background and there were complicated relationships with bickering populations such as the Gungans and Sepratists and Neimodians in the Trade federation. Creates such interesting opportunities for stories and lore and it’s so fleshed out, believable and representative of how the galaxy is. Especially in the ST though the lack of aliens makes no sense. There isn’t a racist regime in power, it’s the new republic. There should be many more aliens wanting to secure their reinstated livelihoods and fight back against oppressive threats seeking to do the same thing as the empire. Obviously the ST has much bigger issues and it doesn’t bother me because I can’t consider it apart of my canon really anyway (same with Kenobi unfortunately tbh) but still. It unintentionally brings about the white saviour trope with the majority coming in to save the minorities because they’re too lazy and not strong enough to do it themselves. And it’s immersion breaking. I really think Cal should’ve been a Nautolan. Would have been cool and fit with the under water features (which I was totally surprised by and loved when I discovered them in the game). But yeah one of the devs or designers are most definitely xenophobic haha. There was an interview where they were asked about alien characters and he said people need a human face to relate to as if Ahsoka and Maul aren’t 2 of the most popular Star Wars characters and as if Masterchief or Mando with no face don’t exist lol. At least 2 of the 5 new Jedi introduced in the game should’ve been aliens but really at this point we need to start bolstering numbers and just make them all alien ahaha. It also just doesn’t make sense to keep them human. Aliens are cooler, more iconic and distinctive so they’re more memorable and sell more toys. Their species can also give more depth to their character and create cooler backstories. No idea why they insist on still making everyone human ffs. Anyway with that rant on aliens done, now concerning the inquisitors haha: I’m just a subscriber of the rule of two lol. Especially when it comes to Vader and Palpatine. They’re so powerful themselves they shouldn’t need or want any other force users around and I think it really cheapens the characters and limits the moments they can have themselves by making up more lightsaber wielding force users. And ultimately they were only made for more lightsaber fights where the good guys can win which is just so contriving to me. I know we get the emperors hand and stuff in legends but I was never a fan of even that and the amount of inquisitors is just even more ridiculous. The fact they’re all ex Jedi is annoying too. Every Jedi that survives order 66 cheapens that moment no matter how they survived and it’s a bit insane how many Palpatine got to turn so quickly before Vader even had his mask attach to him. I don’t mind the concept of a couple Dark Jedi in this period demonstrating how far the Order had fallen in recent years, but Vader needs to hunt them down with no bias and shouldn’t want to work with anyone. Plus the inquisitors aren’t treated as characters anyway most of the time, just as bodies for heroes to fight and most are 1 dimensional. But we’re fast approaching 20 of them now which is ludicrous
dude a city level or hub area where if you used your lightsaber the empire would bring down the hammer so you have to use a blaster to attract less attention would be so sick
so uncivilized
does kal know how to use a blaster tho ???
@@sebastiansuazo2734 he literally has a blaster on his hip in some of the scenes in the trailer
This or a city level where u have to try to be uncover, a bit like Assassin's Creed
@@sebastiansuazo2734 yes, u can see it on the new trailer
Calling the CEO Patrick Bateman is subtle humour that was not lost on me
I came here to see if anyone else heard that 💀
I thought ea's ceo's name was actually patrick bateman and immediately googled it and found out that is not the case xD
Truly my biggest gripe about Fallen Order was the lack of fast travel. They could implement a fast travel feature on the meditation pads where you can rest on them and then fast travel either to your ship (there's a meditation pad on your ship in Fallen Order) or to one you've discovered on that same planet so far. This means on your first visit to a planet, you'll still need to explore it and complete the story path, but these fast travel options will alleviate the annoyance of having to hitchhike back to your ship on a huge planet that's easy to get lost in. It doesn't have to break immersion, just put it in the meditation pads like you did the training simulations post-launch.
Or now that the trailer showed you can tame animals, you could hitch a ride on a giant bird/bat/dragon back to the mantis or any meditation spots that are out in the open
but that would break some of the story moments, like when you go into the tomb in zeffo and gain force push or something and then come out and the goats outside are replaced by stormtroopers.
Then the other story part where when youre coming back from one of the planets youre ambushed by bounty hunters.
These would never happen if you can just fast travel back to the ship. Id say just have better shortcuts. The level design was ok but not the best since shortcuts often also required long travels to get to, especially annoying was the ice caves place... getting to and from the venator wreck is a pain in the butt.
I just hope they give a more traditional map. I like the immersion of the holo map but ngl it was annoying asf to navigate.
a lot of fallen order content wouldnt work with fast travel
@@Otakahunt If it’s story wise you could turn the fast travel off easy solution 🤷♂️
I think my biggerst issue with Fallen Order is the stim timing, it getting cancelled by every thing and having to wait for BD to throw me one and for Cal to use it so I can get healed, specially on fights that i have little to no time to breathe, cause the enemy have a dash to get cloe so me or a ranged atack.
That was me against Malicos in GrandMater difficulty. Many of the times I deis were when I was trying to heal an Malicos decided to do some jump atack to reach me.
The Survivor game should have a BD-1 upgrade that injects stims into Cal directly.
I just picked up Fallen Order for $10 on sale... I only picked it up because it was so cheap on Steam and din't expect much, but I was plesantly surprised and entertained. The gameplay wasn't bad, but it was nothing new or spectacular, it was the story that drew me in and the characters that felt fully fleshed out and relatable. I was more than happy to simply play it through in story mode with no intention to put any more time into it after the story was complete. So for me it was short but served it's purpose.
Something that I have always wanted is a combat system surrounding the 7 lightsaber forms. I don't think that we could expect 7 different combo chains, but I think choosing a form, receiving passives and hindrances and maybe some different animations is doable. An example is how form 2 makes one on one duels easier, which could translate to making parry windows larger, increasing posture damage or increasing damage against posture broken enemies. They could make blaster deflections harder and hinder abilities that deal with groups. Form 6 is used to focus on force abilities over leaning on your lightsaber. This could be the only form to passively Regen force power, make them cheaper or something else. Possibly decrease posture damage or health damage output.
Another interesting system that would be interesting could be a passive and active force perk system. Imagine the chip system in Nier Automata, where some chips require more energy. Imagine a system where your force connection is like that energy bar, and you can take certain passives and active abilities+ modifiers that make up your increasing force connection. I found it odd how much difference there was between normal attacks and the force imbued lightsaber attacks. I get there is stuff like force speed, but still.
Finally an interesting showing of progression could be to change the type of game it is based off. Dark souls inspired games try to make the combat more grounded* where any foe can kill you if you don't respect it. Which makes sense for a Padawan, but after the last game and training, Cal should be like a knight and so if the game choose a different inspiration, like DMC, that would be an interesting way to represent that. An interesting idea is to take DMC5's Virgil concentration meter and take it to star wars. The light side requires focus where the dark side requires passion. I could see the game make you go down a dark side path if you go wild and less focused by getting hit. Staying centered by deflecting everything could lead to staying in light side. Maybe having the power of a DMC character is not equal to a Jedi knight and more akin to that of a Jedi master. It's an idea for later?
Just some of the nerdiest thoughts imaginable.
Dude. I love your ideas, especially the one with the 7 lightsaber forms. I'd really like to see that or someting familiar like that too.
Probably not quite DMC levels of power, but it would be advisable for them to make a forms system as you suggest. Maybe have him collect holocrons explaining each form during the course of the story, perhaps even making a handful of form exclusive techniques.
They said there is multiple forms to fight in with lightsabers so they might be in the game
Fallen Orders parry timings are also a bit weird
They seem to be a decent bit earlier than "as the strike comes in", which means you can't really instinctively parry them like you can in sekiro
On JGM I always felt like the parry window was way smaller than Sekiro, which was surprisingly really forgiving, but didn't really have your experience I guess.
@@binksmagnus ime it wasn't the actual size of the window just when it starts and ends in the animation
I only really noticed because I was doing a playthrough of sekiro along side JFO
It was much easier to ditch the "learned" timings in sekiro and just go on pure instinct than it was on JFO (in my opinion because of the placement of the parry window)
Yeah, and there is also an issue with what happens after the window ends. In Sekiro the parry window is always accompanied by a much larger block window that is after the parry window, so you aren't punished so hard for parrying to early.
In Fallen Order parry window is early and there is no safety net, after missing a parry you can't really try to start parrying the rest of the combo like you did in Sekiro, In my opinion moving the parry window later and adding a block window after the parry window would greatly benefit FO and incentive learning how to parry consistently.
I really liked the game but it really is "Sekiro but worse". Although being like Sekiro is fine, Sekiro is a masterpiece.
@@mateuszsotys3912 In the case of Sekiro and Fallen Order, I believe they were both released around the same time so the devs probably only had the Souls games as reference (where the parry timing also sucks). I hope Respawn have sat down and studied Sekiro this time around and implemented its best features into Survivor.
My biggest complaint was the map system. It was like trying to find a needle In a haystack
@@CalebBerman shut up. I’m Christian and I’m still calling you an annoying prick. No one wants you, go away
I think it would be super cool if Cal accidentally tapped into the Dark Side. We could unlock an entirely new skill tree for dark side abilities. Image how awesome it would be to tear through hoards of stormtroopers with force lightning, or regaining Health after killing enemies with Force Drain! This could also open up some really interesting story potential, as Cal struggles with either embracing or fighting this new found power. That's my opinion anyway. What do you guys think?
I'm just gonna disagree on one thing areas being populated specifically in this game. The whole point is that your away from civilization trying to survive and figure out where you need to go the planets you go to are specific planets that are essentially abandoned. If anything it sets the game apart from those other star wars games it makes you feel alone the only interaction cal has is with greez and cere and all the people trying to kill you. Now for the sequel I'd agree cal isn't exactly running away or surviving so it makes way more sense in that way.
It said in the trailer that Cal was the Empire‘s most wanted so I think he does have to run and hide.
I really enjoyed this game for me the biggest issue that was so annoying was the map I was going for the platinum and trying to follow the map is so bad
You've certainly hit a lot of my feelings with Fallen Order and hopes for Jedi Surviver.
Indeed I would love a way to play passively in the game with mind trick and calm animals, for a game that didn't want to focus on dark side powers they did lean a lot into aggressive gameplay with killing giving your force back and XP, feels more Sith then Jedi.
Also a way to continue combos when dealing with bosses would keep combat flowing nicely and feel just like how we see it in the movies.
If Fallen Order is our Assassin's Creed 1, I hope Surviver is our AC 2/Brotherhood.
I understood and accepted why cal had a limited amount of force to use in a combat encounter in the first game, being shut off for so long and being so young. However in this next game if I can’t get through a fight with a group of stormtroopers without touching any of my weapons I’ll be pissed. At this point he’s clearly much older and more in tune with the force. Also, my biggest complaint about fallen order was what you mentioned with the combat. If I break an enemies posture there should be an immediate finisher of cal elegantly slaughtering his target. If this was the case, the lightsaber combat would be so smooth and from a visual standpoint, cal would look like an absolute badass, assuming there’s a proper variety in finishers. My best example of this is in the Witcher, when you mind trick someone there’s a high chance that if you attack them while they’re dazed, you get an instant finisher, and by the end of an encounter you could have killed 5 bandits with unique brutal finishers that each feel wholeheartedly satisfying
Side note: SERIOUSLY Disney fuck your dismemberment rules let me turn these goddamn scout troopers into a fucking kabab
Ong'!
bruh DISNEY is the reason why these storm troopers get to keep their arms? I just got into star-wars recently and the amount of shit Disney fucks up is astounding
@@yilangpeng9651 I’ve been into Star Wars since the phantom menace and ever since Disney took over the collapse in the brands quality is truly upsetting
@@yilangpeng9651 IIRC it's because China has very strict rules on mutilation shown in media and corpses in general (WoW notoriously had to censor their skeletons in the Chinese version of the game) so that's why Disney wouldn't want to mess with them...
@@yilangpeng9651 well its been announced that you can cut off body parts of storm troopers
As soon as I saw the Respawn Logo, I knew that quality was implied. Regardless of EA, they’re a talented studio. Plain and simple.
Make the boss fights not petty. The best Fight in the game was against Taron Malicos, it's only boss fight where parry actually works properly and does anything. Compared to general combat where parrying is the focus going to a boss fight where dodging is the focus, is not only jarring it sucks to play.
Yeah, you definitely can be parry focused in the other fights against Inquisitors, it’s just way more effective to dodge. Agree it’s kind of weird since they spend the entire game pushing you to parry.
taron malicos was a pretty badass boss anyway, would've been nice to have him as the main villain over trilla. Trilla was boring
Me who always rolls in regular combat: Haha ha...yeah totally
Precise dodge is the most satisfying defense tool in the game.
Every developer for the new game should watch this (even though it’s a bit late for survivor)
Good ideas, but please no RPG gear stuff. Cosmetics were basic, but better than the mass of God of War armours and shit in the new games compared to old.
I want to keep this a Souls-like more reliant on skill growth and consistency in opposition abilities, I don't want to go anywhere near having to level gate areas or worlds when I'm leaning more to opening up choices in paths like the Zeffo/Dathomir choice alludes to. Maybe exploration could lead to more skill points, or you could have a blueprint/upgrade system a bit like Dead Space but limited to those specific upgrades to tools being on a different system to force ability upgrades you get from XP levels, like faster blaster cooldowns, faster BD-1 utils like stim speed and storage that we already had in the first game, maybe some lightsaber tweaks that affect your movesets in small ways that adjust damage speed and posture.
I agree on the rpg stuff.
I think that in the post game or after you completed the planet's story, all collectibles and force locations and the like should be given points on a map, so you can find them easier. Also some type of fast travel
I love Fallen Order and I'm excited for Jedi Survivor. But still I would like a sequel to jedi knight where you are a really powerful jedi. I don't want to see Cal getting Starkiller level power though. Both series can coexist in harmony
Good move introducing 5 characters in the first scene and killing off the one with the most personality. Wouldn't want Disney to crack down.
3 min in and you gained a sub, just great vibes bro. You have a great relationship with your voice and presenting it in this format, all the best of luck to you! Oh also, Merry Christmas! (Or happy holidays :))
I can see Survivor improving on Fallen Order the way GoW 2 improved on GoW, where they basically just take everything good about it and make it better, and then take everything bad and replace it with something either less bad or way way better
I would love it if Jedi Survivor had a base stat and upgrade stat gear system.
It would be insane to craft different types of lightsabers.
The storytelling was huge. Even though that final boss fight was kind of meh, the story's resolution right after felt like an accomplishment just because of how attached you get to all the characters.
Anyway, F for Trilla
Great video
idk, the dact that they went to darth baders location and none of them died is so flimsy
That moment were Vader grabbed BD-1 almost made me have a heart attack. They really built up an amazing relationship between the two and the second and a half that you think you'll loose him is super stressful. I enjoyed Fallen Order so much.
I really don't want a major stat system, the one in this game is already good enough. With points you can increase your damage and health, through progression you gain abilities, and that's enough. A complicated stat system will make the game a math game and way less skill based. I don't want enemies to interrupt executions either. In real combat scenario a soldier will not be locked in some animation and can't defend himself, execution is a game thing and should remain this way.
The aspect I most want improved is the delay between when you press the button and when Cal actually reacts. Sometimes I feel I have quick reflexes but the game doesn't care, I have to "predict" when the enemy attacks.
I absolutely agree. It is so tiresome to having to focus on builds and specialization like in elden ring kind of games. I want to be able to do everything without having to worry about that part of the game. One of the best things about Fallen Order is that once you get used to them, you end up using almost every ability in the skill tree in combat depending on the situation on the regular and intuitively.
Yet again this deserves more views! I would love if they would make the combat was more like in Sekiro. Also... you should make an update on this now that the new Survivor trailer came out.
Man, thank you so much for explaining why Sekiro works where JFO doesn't. Sekiro is perhaps one of my favourite games, and Fallen Order never quite clicked the same way with me (not that I didn't enjoy it). I could never quite figure out why but hearing you explain it makes it very clear to me, it is the fact that breaking posture only gives you a free hit instead of killing the enemy (or for bosses giving a big chunk of damage like Elden Ring or God of War does). It would also deal with one of the big criticisms I see Star Wars fans level at the game, that your lightsaber feels more like a baseball bat than a laser sword that can cut through nearly anything.
Did you know the Kashyyek level as a whole tree top wookie village ruins area that was never finished, but you can go there in the game, but the game goes kind of crazy
Dude I'm just now seeing you for the first time and you're super underrated. Love your work
This man brought up a Rancor, now we have a week till we kill one
One of the biggest things I was missing in Fallen Order was the itemization. I appreciate that I didn't experience any monetization shenanigans with the itemization, but I really wanted the pieces I chose to use to have some kind of an impact on the game. Going completely statless wasn't exactly what I wanted. Definitely enjoyed it as a whole, though.
I definitely think a jedi game should be statless, like, it's a lightsaber wtf do you want to do more damage in it? And clothing, you're a jedi you're not supposed to be hit anyway so why an armor . I like the design this way and not with stats, because stats forces grind and grind is annoyance
...it's funny how basically exactly on the mark you were with your preference for dual-wielding lightsabers in Survivor.
This vid is a great watch! I enjoyed it a lot and your points are very well presented and explained, congrats
High quality. Amazing voice. Long content. I love it.
You have to make more videos...
More coming!
@@binksmagnus hell yeah.
Waiting for that Jedi: Survivor content... It's gonna be a big game... I hope EA is not gonna ruin it lol
2:16 had to do a double take
I love the cosmetic lightsaber bits, I could have had 3 times as many customization options, we needed a lot more outfits too
upon further review of the trailer I am 99% sure that the very last clip shows a deathblow circle appearing on an enemy and cal executing
thats not new
@@sebastiansuazo2734 dude, you have no idea how many people have told me that very thing. What I am saying that I think it is, is new.
I want to be able to wear more than a poncho and like 1 other outfit. I wanna customize the hell outta my jedi look
I think the reason the devs didn't go for an RPG stat system is because they wanted everyone to be happy with the way Cal looked (ponchos) and for players to customize their lightsabers to their hearts content. That being said, I believe a majority of fans have requested more customization. If they did switch to a stat system, I think they should make it to where any piece of armament or tech could be visually replaced with whatever other piece. This way going after chests isn't just for cosmetics, players can customize Cal how they want. On top of that I don't think people asking for a fast travel system don't appreciate the levels. It's just tedious for players who want to collect everything have to retread the same ground multiple times just to get to one area.
This is the second time I've seen someone solve the water puzzle by using slow on the fire orb thing. Pretty sure the intended strat is to throw the orb into the magnet you can turn on and off in that room
Yeah, that’s intended. In the 100% speedrun we just do the trickshot, and it looks cool so I always do it.
I really enjoyed this video!!!
I really like what you propose with the posture meter akin to Sekiro. I think JFO already did a mostly great job when balancing realistic lightsaber damage while still be challenging, but with a more nuanced posture bar, it can still take time to beat an enemy without nerfing the lightsaber.
When it comes to stats and more RPG mechanics, idk, I´m going to be the type of adventure game player that has to say they don´t want that. What they could do to spice up the rewards for exploration, without going all the way with a stat system, is maybe getting perks out of certain lightsaber parts or clothe combination. Like getting an extra stim for using X lightsaber crystal with Y hilt, or an extra Force gain when dodging with X poncho combined with outfit Y. No need of statitistics or levels while still affecting gameplay through customization.
i hope there a gow 2018 party type system maybe you can take merren or other characters with you
pre ordered the upcoming star wars crap, cause I could'nt resist. I'mm desperatly hunting the feeling I had with jedi knight 2 with its story and multiplayer pvp ... I'm a lost soul
i think when i met the stormtrooper with the machinegun laser was the first time i looked up what keyboard button parry was bound to^^
I don’t understand why companies don’t do something like idk elden ring, god of war, hogwarts legacy, cyber punk. Let’s open up the world for these games
The reason it was good comes down to two words - “Respawn Entertainment” these guys don’t miss, titanfall, apex and now this.
They should make the cutscenes skippable, if they implement NG+
No fast travel and unskipable cut scenes are my only major issues with the game
The stat based loot system also brings in a lot of issues tho. It severly messes up the balancing and progression in both GOW 2018 and Ragnarok. I think a handcrafted parts based upgrade system would suit this game a LOT better.
Also, a dash could be very nice.
I hope that the stance changing is instant, like nioh 2 stances or DMC4/5 style changing
I hope a city scape indeed and the gun being a lower noteriety thing atleast in that map
Hopefully the game will not have bugs every 10 minutes
I’m hoping for smoother animations overall
You start by saying you like the game but refer to it as "Sekiro, if it sucked"?! Saying it's not as "good" as another game is one thing, but that phrasing kind of implied this one "sucks"...
Fair enough. I don't mean to say the combat as a whole sucks, and "...if Sekiro sucks" is mostly a joke. I think the combat as a whole is good, and say as much, but it's similar enough to Sekiro to warrant comparison and outclassed in almost every way within that comparison.
Still love it though. Wouldn't have spent hundreds of hours speedrunning it otherwise. The soundtrack, characters, level design, art, etc. all make it rise above its flaws.
Taris hasn't been a planet shown in anything other than KOTOR and SWTOR.
1313 Pepehands
Great video Binks !
I don't want stat based loot. That is really boring in an action game
A lot here i agree with ...but please god no do not add rpg elements they are in everything now days and im sick of it, rpg elements make everything feel like a grind for power.
I agree
this has pretty much been the only decade for GOOD star wars games
This is bait.
i loved this game when i originally played it, but i was an idiot kid back then that sucked at the combat and when i play it now it’s honestly quite bland. i really hope they improve the posture system in the sequel
All of this but also get rid of the slip and slide sections please Respawn.
is it too much to ask that lightsaber cosmetics found in chests can act as boosts? so get this. emitter can upgrade damage. hilt can upgrade the speed of attacks etc. etc.
Doing that just pushes you to always play with the strongest lightsaber hilts which ultimately takes away from the cosmetic freedom of choosing however you want your lightsaber to look.
@@OneRandomVictory or it could encourage more experimentation with the combat style
@@pattonramming1988 I'd rather them do that with other accessories or just rpg stats though rather than being different lightsabers entirely.
I think maren would be a cool second playable or atreus like character
It would be cool if every enemies had a dodging mechanic well you have to wait until they attack to swing your lightsaber to cut off something just put them in a stagger state which then you can hit them again to permanently kill them.
Super weak small enemies kill you be hit once.
Medium enemies twice.
Minnie bosses 4 or four and bosses haft to be taken out breaking there focus and posture witch goes down like a health bar.
Ok enemies do not have posture bars.
I think this leaves room for creativity on enemy attacks and behavior.
love your videos
make the parry actually hit on frame like sekiro and not delayed bugging your mind
I like that it has the delay, it takes into account that things don't happen instantly and makes it much more challenging.
14:57 Wait the Bounty Hunters despawn if they kill you? I don’t think I ever lost to any of the Bounty Hunters but what kind of garbage is that?
That completely defeats the purpose of the respawn mechanic
Yep. You get back to where you died and your Souls/XP/Whatever is just sitting on the ground, you interact with it and get them back.
Bro has 1000 skill points. I’m done.
Played it for story for few days, finished and wrapped up to collect dust. Next time I'll just watch up letsplay's on youtube. It is just not worth regular high proce that they will put on this. I expect again "0" replay level unfortunately.
Tbh I kind hope it has multiplayer. But not pvp. My favorite games are just online co-op with friends or couch co-op.
If they have multiple playable characters that would work amazing.or so like Mario galaxy have the little robot controllable
Stats to me never feel good, I hope they don’t go that rout.
Do I have the best this or the best that? And then you don’t enjoy the game cause your looting.
Having abilities interact with each other seems like a much better idea to me.
I agree on every point but the stat based RPG progression. No one wants to hit someone with their lightsaber and realize it didn’t do lightsaber damage because it was under leveled for the planet they were on. Great vid!! but that idea in particular is dog shit and doesn’t belong in a game like this. (Just my opinion)
at 20:11 I just beat the game with the same saber
Sekiro is my favorite game tied with bloodborne and while im happy the combat is so similar it just overall is a lesser version of sekiros PERFECT combat system imo
The damage doesn’t match the weapon for sure. I’d like to see some change to this that makes sense without taking away the fun and the challenge. It’s like spider-man… he can pick up a car and throw it, but it takes 5 punches and a head kick to take down a regular ass human with no armor or special abilities? Yeah it would be boring to one hit kill every enemy, but it breaks immersion for me a bit. The combat is fun but too unrealistic for the character. Would make more sense for Batman or captain America or something.
I’m 100% convinced EA tried to sabotage Fallen Order, the shitty gameplay demonstration, not clarifying anything about it, leaving us in the dark until like a week before release, the launch trailer spoiling the split double saber and Vader reveal. I think EA wanted to do Respawn dirty, try and kill them like they did to Visceral Games.
They do seem to have done Respawn dirty for just about every major release other than Apex. Titanfall and Titanfall 2 both got hung out to dry.
I just hope there are twice the amount of enemies and much much MUCH less climbing. I didn’t enjoy Jedi climbing simulator number 1. I hope they change it for this one
Lol...his name is realy Patrick Bateman...ooooofff. American Psycho🤣👍
I prefer the combat style of Jedi knight: Jedi academy over any other, although, you can completely cheese the game after getting the second lightsaber by picking a double lightsaber (Darth Maul style) and simply crouching while spinning your lightsaber around, no enemy can defeat you while doing this and you maw everyone down easily. but while crouching, you walk slightly slower. I haven't tried it on master mode though.
I agree. It just felt more natural than that weird refusal to stop moving when attacking that fallen order does. Though your tactic is a completely new one to me and now I absolutely need to try it
That tactic works well, but could easily be balanced out of a more modern game. I loved the strong focus on attacking with precise angles and timing with less of a focus on defense, instead basing everything off of movement. It really forces you to be conscious of your environment and to use it to your advantage.
I didn’t need fast travel:….. and then I forgot something in Kashykk and turned the game off for like 2 years XD.
Some places are just super creepy and there weren’t enough shortcuts.
What is Respawn?
One of the key game mechanics that I need as someone that isn't particularly good at having sharp reflexes. It wasn't clear to me in the game how or when to Perry successfully. I would prefer on an easy mode that there is an on screen prompt telling you when to hit the button for the Perry.
I also sometimes felt that the game doesn't necessarily feel like a Star Wars game. You mostly do exploration completely on your own an environment that are ranging in a diversity. One of the key features of Star Wars is having a interesting atmosphere of different aliens and cultures mixing together and we got none of that in the entire game. I think it would be important to have 1 or 2 levels that take place in an urban environment where your character can interact with a variety of different aliens species just not out on the fringe of the frontier. Star Wars feels like Star Wars when you have at least one scene in a container with multiple alien species drinking and having a good time listening to their favorite science fiction music. If you're not visiting a busy space for at some time in a Star Wars game you're not necessarily doing it right. There are a lot of great things about jet iPhone order that I absolutely adore. Lightsaber customization and lightsaber color are definitely some of my favorite things. I think it would be great to kick it up a little bit of a level and have different internal lightsaber parts that change the behavior of the weapon
I can put up with the combat, even playing with mouse and keyboard, but the puzzles got on my nerves. They're uninspiring and always seem like can be solved easily if common sense and uh...I don't know, A GLOWING SUPERHEATED ENERGY SWORD are employed.
Kind of sad tho the pink poncho is the most exciting item in the game.
Battelfront 2 is better than 99% of all curent Shooter
It is really good and fun now
WaiT a miNuTe tHe eA CeO's nAmE iSn'T pAtriCk bAtEmAn
Traversal was atrocious. The holomap needs completely reworked. Other than that it's good to go.
what´s wrong with the holomap?
Have it so you can play at the women as well as cal.
why tho
all they have to do is reduce the input delay. The ps4 version is terrible because of that to the point i avoided combat most of the time
In regards to fixing combat, I totally agree with the issues. I hated how the combat worked in that you had to work so hard to get a single hit in and it felt like you were attacking with a foam sword.
I would suggest that Ghost of Tsushima has pretty much perfected this combat style. You have to parry, dodge, deflect and use skills to break the enwmies guard, but when you do, it's almost aleays an instakill. At the very least, you get to fire off a full combo tather than a single hit. If Jedi Survivor makes a few small tweaks, it'll be much better. I honestly don't know why the first game got so much praise with how lack luster the combat was.
I love these characters and little detail force echoes more than anything. Building Greez's garden are my favorite collectibles
Parry doesnt work so I will never use it. Sekiro made me so mad that when I finally beat the ogre or whatever I lost interest because I received zero dopamine beating it despite how frustrating it was. Game never gave me a reason to give it attention while playing it up to then. I havent played in two years and im still frustrated by the game. Suffice to say I will never parry in fallen order. Game has taught me repeatedly that its always the wrong action. Feels slow and lethargic for how shit the timing is at max difficulty so I rather roll. If Fallen order was more like Sekiro i wouldnt play it.
Tbh I was very underwhelmed by the last boss fight but great video
underwhelmed by Vader?
@@Spinosaurus_Aegyptiacus i think he means trilla
@@thechadandthevirgin5823 nahhhhhh that fight was sick too
@@Spinosaurus_Aegyptiacus I wish there were more quicktime events in fights for example like in god of war 3
Fallen order was pretty shit. I bought it full priced expecting nothing but Star Wars. All I got was a janky mess and a generic hack’ n’ slash lightsaber that does little damage
the assumptions most people made based off of this 15 minute gameplay clip turned out to be basically universally incorrect"
bro the response to that gameplay footage was overwhelmingly positive, the only real issue that people kept bringing up was how bad the wookiees looked lol.
Maybe I was in different circles at the time, because I remember basically universal criticism of the level design (and yeah, the Wookiees looked and still look bad.) Iirc Stig Asmussen even gave an interview addressing the level design criticisms assuring people that they were a lot more complex than the demo had shown.
You had me all the way up to trying to imply that a lame modern RPGlite system would make the game better. That's just not true at all. It makes no sense for a star wars game like this. Sekiro has no RPG elements and greatly benefits from the lack of them. Just adding more abilities and a skill tree that actually matters would be good like the forced unleashed
You'd have to define "RPG elements" very exclusively to say that Sekiro has none. The complexity of the progression system for the Shinobi Prosthetics by themselves kind of get my point across, and then there are the various items that increase your resistance to damage of various types (or, if you prefer, just the fact that there are different damage types) or provide immunities, damage output increases, skills that significantly alter the way you play the game (which, for all the skills in the game, JFO doesn't really have apart from Precision Evade).
Whether Sekiro is a true "RPG" can definitely be debated, but almost every major game release these days has RPG elements.
@@binksmagnus Ways in which fallen order changes the combat game space via skills besides precision evade.
Push & howling push: Being able to ledge kill either one or multiple smaller enemies, or being able to stun larger enemies for a cheeky combo extension (especially if mixed in with normal attacks) also allows for ranged stamina damage before unlocking saber throw.
EFR: Allowing for more force recovery on a kill and even for blocking/parrying. This allows for more force use during the course of a fight (especially when playing on a difficulty which doesn't allow for force regen)
The stim upgrade: I forget the name but the stim upgrade which gives you full force meter... Need I say more?
Grasping pull: Allows for instakills on many enemy types (even purge troopers if you're smart about positioning) and allows for continued combo chains.
Howling pull: Great utility for dual bladed AOE combos against crowds.
Overhead slash & leaping slash: Literally your bread and butter for damage if you have force and before you grab the split saber strong attack, allows for Cal to break guards very easily or even insta kill.
Dash strike: A gap closer which can jump over guards if you button prompt in time, can also be used as a makeshift dodge. Does more damage than a normal slash and is great for combo openers.
Delay thrust/Delay combo: Combo changer, allows for basic enemies to be two shot instead of the typical three and gives the player more range on their attacks. It's not ground breaking but it is a noticeable change. Also it's one of the few variant combos in the game that isn't" press this button quickly."
Sprint strike: The force free but slightly weaker version of dash strike, it's really effective on ads who like to dodge your first hit with a button read.
Agile deflection: Auto block bolts when sprinting, allowing the player to remain mobile but still defend themselves from pesky gunners which make up a majority of imperial encounters.
Throw/Power throw: Ya throw your lightsaber, it's hurt box can trigger both on the going and return trip hitting multiple enemies. Power throw makes it so the range is even further than before and potentially can attack even more people yet again from a safe distance.
The entire unlock of the saber staff: I don't know how to further illustrate how this is game changing...
Slow and it's upgrades are pretty cool too... not great but it does change the environment by temporarily taking foes out of commission.
You also go on to state
"And then there are the various items that increase your resistance to damage of various types (or, if you prefer, just the fact that there are different damage types) or provide immunities, damage output increases"
See I've never played SSDT, at most I watched some challenge runs but I have played souls games (a lot of them) and while I know these are all standard things in those games I found myself looking at the SSDT wiki and uh there are a lot of quick items to use, but none that grant immunity. Some resistances, healing, dmg output, healing, killing or damaging oneself for gain or just to off yourself, and status ailment buffs/de-buffs.
Besides that uh I wouldn't call item use RPG elements sure, but to many of them and you risk bogging down the experience and if they aren't renewable players generally "save on to them" aka they never use it. Fallen order does have a consumable, which you can find more of and even upgrade twice (or is it more than that?) but at minimum twice. I think that's fine, and since it's also your main way of healing it's encouraged to be used like the estus flask from souls games.
Also on the topic of prosthetics, aren't they just abilities you find in the world? I mean that doesn't per say sound very RPG to me, hell LOZ has those and that is action adventure not a RPG. While not exactly the case for all modern RPGs most mechanically entail some type of statistical progression. Looking it over by reading up online, the only "upgrades" a player can gain via XP is though skills? Which are close enough to how they are learned in JFO.
While yes you can also upgrade HP and attack power those are both locked behind bosses and minibosses as a reward. I mean... JFO kinda does the same thing. You can either buy health, posture and attack power via XP OR you can get HP, FP, and more stims via world exploration alongside XP points that also give you lore which in turn equates to more levels. It's the same deal just locked behind a different condition.
On top of combat abilities the game is also changed though exploration via story locked ability gain. Slow, wallrun, push, double-jump, pull and hell even your standard saber swings can aid you in traversal. It's akin to the grappling hook in sekiro. But I still think it classifiers enough "significantly changing the way you play the game"
Also from what I'm seeing on shinobi tools... they don't look like they change up the gameplay that greatly. On top of that the wiki says you only have three. But hey I could be wrong or be reading the wiki wrong beats me.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to degrade sekiro, I've heard it's a wonderful game... But I don't think FO needs what games like that have to "be better"
Fallen order is only considered a good game compared to other star wars games. We all know thats unfortunately a very low bar to meet as fallen order is only a decent to crap game compared to others like uncharted, tomb raider, and so many more.
It's not as good as sekiro but i wouldn't say it sucked
The story is what I had the most problem with. But I loved the environment and how effective that was and played into the story like you. But unfortunately the only characters I liked and thought were interesting were Greers, Trilla (which is a big compliment because I hate the concept of inquisitors so they’re starting at a disadvantage to get me on board with them) and BD 1. The other characters were much to boring, bland, predictable, generic and cliche and also way too powerful and something we’ve seen a thousand times before and many times just in the same franchise and recently too but done much better (Kanan in Rebels).
Also bugs me how many humans there are and especially how many Jedi were introduced in just the 1 game who somehow are all ridiculously human. Really cheapens order 66 and makes the galaxy very small and breaks immersion. But being a mega Star Wars fan I had a massive issue with the holocron macguffin and especially with how Vader was handled and his motivations and interactions which is a gross misunderstanding of the character’s psychology. It’s not as ridiculous or disrespectful as Kenobi but it’s still disappointing. The only content that gets Vader right is books and comics it seems. It’s also only where he gets his wins, he literally fails in every single film, game and tv show so far.
Overall I loved the actual game and it’s mechanics. Hoping the next one improves the story and characters for me. And please, no more humans you xenophobes ahaha!
Humans are still the most abundant species in the Star Wars galaxy. So the lack of non humans isn’t entirely surprising. But having Jedi that were a different species would’ve been cool. Even if they made Cal a different species.
Also I’m curious on why you hate the concept of the inquisitors?
@@OldBenKenobi2318 Yeah they are but it is pretty surprising and unrealistic ngl the amount that are the protagonists of stories. They don’t make up 99% of the entire galaxy’s population. It should be around less than 20% with the next most prominent species besides them being like 5% or less of the whole galaxy’s population. But we should at least have an over 80% chance of a protagonist or new Jedi or just a side character being an alien rather than a human. I give the OT a pass because of its limited budget (and retroactively lore wise the empire is racist and probably has segregation in place and obviously enslaves aliens so I can dismiss all the rebels as humans because aliens are under more scrutiny and find it harder to get out of their oppression and contribute) but despite that even back then on Tatooine they had a good alien to human ratio, you saw more alien civilians than humans and yet in the Kenobi show ridiculously despite being filmed in the modern day, 99% of background characters are human on Tatooine and everywhere else and the only alien with a speaking role is a dumb imperial sympathiser.
The PT was great and realistic with the ratio and ultimately believable. Practically everyone in the senate and Jedi order that wasn’t an already established character was an alien, there were many aliens in the background and there were complicated relationships with bickering populations such as the Gungans and Sepratists and Neimodians in the Trade federation. Creates such interesting opportunities for stories and lore and it’s so fleshed out, believable and representative of how the galaxy is. Especially in the ST though the lack of aliens makes no sense. There isn’t a racist regime in power, it’s the new republic. There should be many more aliens wanting to secure their reinstated livelihoods and fight back against oppressive threats seeking to do the same thing as the empire. Obviously the ST has much bigger issues and it doesn’t bother me because I can’t consider it apart of my canon really anyway (same with Kenobi unfortunately tbh) but still. It unintentionally brings about the white saviour trope with the majority coming in to save the minorities because they’re too lazy and not strong enough to do it themselves. And it’s immersion breaking. I really think Cal should’ve been a Nautolan. Would have been cool and fit with the under water features (which I was totally surprised by and loved when I discovered them in the game). But yeah one of the devs or designers are most definitely xenophobic haha. There was an interview where they were asked about alien characters and he said people need a human face to relate to as if Ahsoka and Maul aren’t 2 of the most popular Star Wars characters and as if Masterchief or Mando with no face don’t exist lol. At least 2 of the 5 new Jedi introduced in the game should’ve been aliens but really at this point we need to start bolstering numbers and just make them all alien ahaha. It also just doesn’t make sense to keep them human. Aliens are cooler, more iconic and distinctive so they’re more memorable and sell more toys. Their species can also give more depth to their character and create cooler backstories. No idea why they insist on still making everyone human ffs.
Anyway with that rant on aliens done, now concerning the inquisitors haha:
I’m just a subscriber of the rule of two lol. Especially when it comes to Vader and Palpatine. They’re so powerful themselves they shouldn’t need or want any other force users around and I think it really cheapens the characters and limits the moments they can have themselves by making up more lightsaber wielding force users. And ultimately they were only made for more lightsaber fights where the good guys can win which is just so contriving to me. I know we get the emperors hand and stuff in legends but I was never a fan of even that and the amount of inquisitors is just even more ridiculous. The fact they’re all ex Jedi is annoying too. Every Jedi that survives order 66 cheapens that moment no matter how they survived and it’s a bit insane how many Palpatine got to turn so quickly before Vader even had his mask attach to him. I don’t mind the concept of a couple Dark Jedi in this period demonstrating how far the Order had fallen in recent years, but Vader needs to hunt them down with no bias and shouldn’t want to work with anyone. Plus the inquisitors aren’t treated as characters anyway most of the time, just as bodies for heroes to fight and most are 1 dimensional. But we’re fast approaching 20 of them now which is ludicrous