Devs decided to nerf Shepherd betrayal as to not give us emotional damage and trauma to the new generation like they did to us in 2009 Edit: How did I get so many likes? The MWII (2022) General Shepard is what realistically can happen in real life and man MWII (2009) Shepard betrayal was one that should be made into a freaking movie
It wouldn’t have been the same. Beyond that his betrayal had little consequences since it’s dealt with during the last 30 minutes of the game. We don’t see the damage shepherd caused, MW3 is all about Makrov. This betrayal will likely have more consequences and more of a story to tell.
@@Epsilon-18 It was only predictable because of the original MW2, as soon as we heard Shepherd's name we knew betrayal was coming. And while the original may've been more impactful to see Shepherd taking matters into his own hands, this story is very well written and it's taking more time between betrayal and hunting Shepherd down
After smocking his habano in Mw3, Price said to himself it was all wrong, it was bad. He raided area 51 and travel back in time to make everything all right, thats how this new MW exists
I felt like joining Shadow Company badass can betrayed against task Force 141 and sabotaged Mexican special forces and they don't care they're against different type enemies in Mexico or Afghanistan right now they have skills Shadow Company can undercover war crimes like they can using on Terrorism Task Force 141 soap ghost on terror war list most wanted on earth making it think they did it for killing citizens and that's how General Shepherd has Special operations counterstrike Call of Duty MWII 2022
The original MW2 betrayal is more memorable, but the detail with the names going from blue, to yellow, and then red as the dialogues go is really cool.
I prefer old shepherd and just the older games in general. They really did a great job of making the cod games feel like ridiculously over the top action movies and I always really enjoyed that about the series.
Activision ain't will kill a character who every MW fan simp on. Ghost is his "money cow" in this "new era" so they will keep him alive till they make 100 skins and a whole ass season pass about this character. It happened with Woods and Mason, now sadly it's time for Ghost.
Played both and nothing in gaming history made me feel the way I did in the original when ghost said no then took a round to the chest . It was a boys to men moment
@@desertfoxxx98 Yes, but that game made our childhoods, and if you're attached to a character, even for a day's worth of time, seeing them get killed in front of you in-game rather than a cutscene, much more having just been betrayed, is gonna mess your day up, especially as a kid.
First time I experienced the betrayal in the original MW2, I had to stop the game and go outside and take a 15 minute walk. That moment shook me to the absolute core. Still gives me chills watching it here.
Shepherd portrayed in the first MW2 was more of a leader and less of a politician, that's why when he shot ghost it made sense, his whole personality was "Fine, I will get it done myself" but Shepherd in the new MW2 is more like a political leader, and it's more realistic in todays world. Overall both Shepherds are perfectly portrayed by their character types, it's just a matter of which Shepherd a person likes more. I personally perfer old Shepherd
It kinda reflects the u.s military as a whole these days anyways. Shitty people with lots of medals trying to climb the promotion ladder instead of actually doing the right thing. Look up any video talking about leadership in the u.s armed forces and the comments section is filled with people sharing their experiences with bad officers
Yeah old Shepard was a lead from the front badass that was pushed over the edge by the things he experienced while new Shepard is just some corrupt Washington suit. Huge downgrade imo.
As much as the new betrayal was incredibly watered down it is a much more realistic scenario. 3 star generals are not on active combat missions. They don’t fly into active war zones and they certainly don’t do there own dirty work. It doesn’t pack the same emotional punch but a corrupt general falling off the map and flying to some remote location while ordering assassinations via a PMC is how that would shake out IRL.
Obviously aside from the fact that we have trust issues with shepard due to the original MW 2, i think a massive difference is that the first betrayal is instant (giving you no time to comprehend what just happened) and out of nowhere where as the 2nd one slowly builds up with a bit of conflict then then the shepard reveal then the shooting. The first one is also good because after a massive fire fight you feel like once you see shepard and all the heli's your safe and can relax but then the complete opposite happens. also no one dies in the second betrayal so who really cares 🤷
5:34 "Shepherd burned us" Yeah he did, in modern warfare ll 2009. Heart breaking. Love this little detail they added. I'm glad they brought back one of the best duos. Definitely wouldn't be the same without them.
The reason that the betrayal in the OG MW2 is more impactful is because Shepard is there the entire time from the start, even does the iconic “helping hand” at the beginning of the game. The new one was obvious because we played the original one, most likely they won’t be killing Shepard in the new trilogy because Laswell is gonna make sure he answers for his crimes cause she’s there to handle the interagency politics while 141 gets to do the bang bang shooty stuff going after Makarov
One interesting difference I've noticed in the betrayals is that in the original from 2009 Captain Price isn't really shocked because he claims to have never trusted Shephard. But in the reboot series Price is actually mad and feels back stabbed which implies that he actually did trust Shephard in the new series.
i really wish i turned subtitles on when i play, woulda loved to experience that. hate subtitles tho i find myself reading instead of focusing on the game
Love the name color changes in subtitles in 2022, just a powerful little detail. Graves turns from Blue to Red after "General Shepherd sends his regards" And Shepherd turns from Blue to Yellow as his allegiance is in question and goes full Red once he threatens Price with Graves and Shadow
2 things about the new betrayal 1: why the hell couldn’t shepherd just tell 141 the truth about the missiles from the beginning and have them work with shadow company the whole way, at least until they started committing straight up war crimes. 2: why couldn’t Graves and the shadows track the computer used by Price to talk to shepherd, ambush them and slaughter them all at Alejandro’s base if they really had to do that?
Shit even better, just buy the land under the Mexican base. Real estate is cheap af and it’s not like the Mexican military isn’t gunna take the bribe from a dude who just blew up a city, their men and kidnapped a cartel leader.
shepherds betrayal in the og mw2 was so personal and devastating compared to the new one where it almost feels like it falls flat of betrayal and more like just being screwed over by a random dude in charge
Og ghost was better when he was like in the spotlight but not really you know? Like he was a normal SAS but wasnt, now he Is some weirdo who Is there to act mysteriously and soap Is kind of a cómic relief
@@surake8805 exactly, that’s what I hate about the new cod. Everything’s gotta be funny. Back in the order cod it’s was almost like it was was realistic
@@SojuCrumbs yeah Man like they Made It More kid friendly, tried to make the "cool guy" be on the spotlight and took the silent protagonist away, now they got some sort of character development but the silent protagonist Made It feel like you were just another soldier, It Made It unpredictable if you would die since you werent some supersoldier like price or soap( in the second game) you were just some SAS soldier
As i soon i got to see the new Shepard, I instantly I got those flashbacks of betrayal and sort of prepare myself for the bitter end. These new generation of cod players will not understand the trauma that general did to our Ghost and Roach. Speaking of Roach, where the hell is he?
The same can said for ... hold up did we ever see Griggs in the last two... but then Sandman and his crew. So many more that we're missing. Yuri too actually. Maybe the next one will have answers
@@cloakerzero.mp3802Didn’t Frost actually live? That joint mission with 141 to save The Russian President and his daughter, Sandman’s team had himself, Grinch, Truck, and Frost, but considering we played as Yuri the whole time, I don’t think Frost was there. They should bring them back thou
@@yellowbastard196 I think it could have been avoided by not detaining anybody at all....... This is a group backed by a high ranking member of the most powerful military in history. And they didn't have some other Black Site they could have used, or make an outpost like the one during the cruise missile mission?
Why to me it’s more impactful, is the fact that I imagine myself as that silent protagonist. When I played the og MW2 it felt like shepherd betrayed and killed me.
I think they changed the way Shepard betrayed 141 was probably cause the crew was like “listen, the cat’s outta the bag, they’re gonna know anyways so we might as well make shepard’s betrayal a light emotion”
that's what I thought too, it wouldn't hit nearly as hard because it was bound to happen at some point, so it'd be really hard to replicate that kind of 2009 betrayal.
@@bread6435 legit that hit gamers the hardest in the day. Almost every fan would be anticipating his backstab so the company tried to go for another emotional pull.
@@xbuster3 ong this new Ghost has made COD so much money it’s unbelievable… but I mean you can’t really kill off a character that people love with an insane amount of passion… especially after the old cods.
At least the first Shepherd’s made sense, “after today there will be no shortage of patriots, no shortage of volunteers” Meanwhile new Shepherd: “Im ProTeCtiNg mY cOuNtRy”
Thats what a remaster is you touch up the graphics you make some small things fit and make sense you sell it and people buy but no we cant have nice things can we? They ruined the remaster
In the OG COD: Modern Warfare 2, Shepherd's betrayal killing Ghost and Roach was just a cut of loose ends from the bigger betrayal of manipulating the warfare scene to fabricate WW3, in revenge for a terrorist attack with a nuclear bomb. I like these new games but the stakes seem ant size in comparison.
For good reason, there probably 18 conflicts like the one we just played through actually taking place and actually being deciding factors as to whether who goes to war, when. I’m sure the developers are told not to put anything that you be inflammatory or super super super American propaganda even though that’s kinda what the game is, at least there aren’t us flags draped in every level of every scene
@@nobleradical2158 no it doesn't. There was hardly any impact at all except from me being confused over an action that could easily have been avoided. There's no realism in this game save for military jargon just like its always been
The 2022 betrayal and plotline is more realistic than the original. A general trying to cover up a black op and running when he's caught makes more sense realistically than one coming in and shooting two of his soldiers in front of a whole squad of his other soldiers
Those 'other soldiers' are his private PMC force, Shadow Company. Also, Shepherd killed Roach and Ghost because if they saw what was on the ACS module, the world would've found out about Shepherd's involvement with the terrorist attack
@@warfare1101 again, realistically it doesn't make sense. A General would never be allowed In the field, first off. He would never have clearance, as he has far too much information that cannot be allowed to be risked falling into "enemy" hands, and generals are involved in the planning of operations and not the actual operations themselves. Generals also DO NOT have their own "personal" squads that they can just command to do whatever they want. It's pretty ridiculous to have to explain any of this to someone. Again, the new game is far more realistic plot-wise. The general would be back in HQ, commanding an operation. If they were dirty, like Shepherd, they'd use an off the books squad like the group in the new game and command them from HQ, and then run if things went south and they were exposed. They would never be in an active combat zone, commanding troops like in the past game. You must be severely mentally deficient.
The sad part is graves wasn’t evil he was corrupted by shepherd. When the shadow pmcs were transporting the cargo (if you know what it was please tell me in the reply section) the pmcs got attacked, Graves requested for backup but shepherd said they fight with the guns they have. Graves was actually wanting to help them when he said “They need help”.
They were transporting 3 ballistic missiles. Even the soldiers didn’t know what they were transporting and they were willing to die for it. Even though their general didn’t give a fuck about them. Those solidiers knew graves cared for them, so they tried to warn him, right before all of them were killed including dipalo. Shepherds intent was good but the wrong guys got them.
@@itsqlexthat doesn’t mean, his character should swap personalities. Graves is a whole new character after he betrays us. Just because his motivation is money, doesn’t justify bad character writing.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 I don’t find it that hard to rationalize. Initially he starts off by telling them to walk away. It’s only after Soap and Ghost take out a few of his men when he becomes totally hostile.
@@itsqlex he’s hostile from the beginning. Graves just straight up says he’s taking Vargas’ base and when he naturally objects, Graves brings up Valeria as if to shame him. He doesn’t try to defuse the situation. He’s basically just saying “I have your base. Go away.”
I was super disappointed by that scene in MW 2 2022. They have no guts to kill any of the good guys, didn't they? The death of Roach and Ghost is what made MW2 2009 so memorable. I understand that many people got upset over that (and maybe found solace in the fact that Ghost is alive now), but that was one of the most legendary moments in gaming.
I actually wonder if the MW3 will feature an actual loss- and my prediction would be the loss of Captain Price (since in the old version he is the sole survivor) or who knows, maybe they would all live and kill Makarov (an ideal ending which I doubt it would happen in this version) And honestly now, Shepherd quite lost his tough attitude, like- old version he was fierce, now he be like a wet blanket sending his pups to clean the mess And honestly- one big theory: we would see Frost again in any CoD since him too is a sole survivor of the old series- that would be a banger
I don't think mw3 will be about killing makarov again. Mw2019 ending teased cod4 bad guys and then used them on warzone, most likely makarov will be fought and dealt with on warzone like zakhaev and al assad.
The difference is in the old one, Shephard personally kills you directly whereas in the new one, it's just a 3D chess interpretation than actually doing it.
No reinforcements, left for dead. Even though that dipalo was a good soldier and tried shouting to graves that they have the radio and so subsequently was killed Reminds me of the jokers dialogue “In the last moments of a person you find out what their really like”
MWII's Shepherd *is* more realistic because Generals don't typically go to the front line...but MW2's Shepherd was just better. MWII's Shepherd fucked up and tried to cover it up. Meanwhile MW2's Shepherd was actively plotting and getting things done. Plus they tied his motivations into the events of CoD4 which was really awesome. Nothing ties MW2019 and MWII together outside of featuring the same characters. MW2 Shepherd was also more menacing in general. I understand that the new MW trilogy wants to be more realistic and tell a story that could happen in the actual modern world... but I feel that has caused it to lose a bit of what made the classic CoD's great - the spectacle. The old CoDs weren't super realistic but man were they fun as hell and a joy to experience from start to finish. The new ones just can't compare.
Sometimes generals actually go to the frontlines, it's not common but i would expect seeing a general on the battlefield after failing and letting a lot of US servicemen dying to a nuke
@@bigspas3 while yes it is a different story, but what you implied is that it is a alternate universe or in other words a parallel universe that co-exist with the original one. TDLR a multiverse which is wrong
@@Drengr-Wulfit’s more realistic. Why would a 3 star general be landing in a active combat zone when he could just watch from a safe distance and let his subordinates do the dirty work
@@shrimpy_nazeem oh like a single guy playing gun fights with a tank in a boss fight is realistic, or how somehow a whole fucking city is to believe what they saw as a explosion was from a electrical problem and not the obvious fucking missile. Cod is as realistic as rambo was fucking realistic. Get over yourselves, its dumbing down fictional stories for the sake of realism, it is the political intrigue that got star wars boring. It made shepherd boring.
True, though I prefer the more diplomatic approach that the new one seems to take, especially seeing as it allows for all of our favourite 141 members to make it out alive this time (though roach still isn't in the picture yet)
After he had Alejandro's entire team arrested. *Yeah, pretty sure it was all rigged to be on sight.* Sheperd and Graves _wanted_ them to retaliate so they would have an excuse to kill them.
Honestly I can't be the only one that's happy ghost is alive. I was so upset over it, having super soldiers basically killed in the most basic way. My childhood was a cliffhanger and I spent months searching if he lived somehow lol. They literally fixed my life long anxiety and kept him alive, job damn well done. It is pretty cool how the Russians get involved vs. the all out battle royale towards the end of OG MW2
They weren't super soldiers... They were the elite, sure. But in the end they are humans who just got played a bad hand. You saw how close Ghost was to killing Shepherd. Shepherd was just faster.
The only issue with keeping him alive is that it’s hard to top him being killed. When he died in MW2 09 you saw him being an absolute badass throughout the campaign, and even in his last mission he’s dragging you to safety refusing to leave you behind, before he’s shot like nothing & you watch his lifeless body be thrown into a pit to be burned. It’s impactful for the same reason him being a badass was, you’d think he would die in extreme combat, not like an animal. Sure Ghost survived NOW, but come on, now the betrayal is barely as impactful.
the og betrayal felt like shepherd screwed all of 141 over the new betrayal felt like shepherd screwed all of shadow company, and graves over by letting his men die and leaving graves to pick up after shepherds trash lol (graves is an amazing character) old shepherd looks like an old man that has a fking 8 pack made of steel, he commands his army but when he has to step in he's a literal final boss new shepherd looks like a commander that got lucky and got the position cause the military had no other options
People need to see that the betrayals are not only different just to spice things up and give ghost more characters dev but also because the causes and reasons for why Shepard does it is completely different Shepard in the reboot is a general who messed up and tried to make amends for his own gain the og one was a calculated soldier who wanted to be seen as a war hero by literally causing a war
Yeah because a general really cares if he messed up 😂 Bro, I think you don’t understand. America The US would have covered it up just so it doesn’t make us look bad. If anything he should have a Senator bury the whole problem, and it won’t be treason
Back in 2009 i was a innocence kid who only knew crash bandicoot and barely cant event play resident evil 4, until i tried COD: Modern warfare 2, at first it was fun, that was my first FPS experience until, shepherd betrayed. That was the moment i knew that i was bamboozled, and backstabbed at the same time
You burned the Ghost.
You stepped on the Roach.
You dropped the Soap.
And now, you will pay the Price.
Overused comment..
So funny
This is so cringe I now have cancer AIDS thanks
😂
Nice line
Devs decided to nerf Shepherd betrayal as to not give us emotional damage and trauma to the new generation like they did to us in 2009
Edit: How did I get so many likes? The MWII (2022) General Shepard is what realistically can happen in real life and man MWII (2009) Shepard betrayal was one that should be made into a freaking movie
still remember the tears after re playing the game a while back.
The Graves betrayal scene was the replacement for that 😂
It wouldn’t have been the same. Beyond that his betrayal had little consequences since it’s dealt with during the last 30 minutes of the game. We don’t see the damage shepherd caused, MW3 is all about Makrov. This betrayal will likely have more consequences and more of a story to tell.
@@bl5533 i loved graves
@@diegoandrade467 i already cant wait for mw3
The new Shepard makes me appreciate just how bold and incredible the original MW2 was. I doubt we'll ever see a game like that ever made again.
Agreed. The new version was a lot more anticlimactic and predictable.
@@Epsilon-18 It was only predictable because of the original MW2, as soon as we heard Shepherd's name we knew betrayal was coming. And while the original may've been more impactful to see Shepherd taking matters into his own hands, this story is very well written and it's taking more time between betrayal and hunting Shepherd down
*FETCH ME THEIR SOULS!*
durr old good, new bad.
@@juanin200“very well written „😂 yeah sure
The transition of Graves name going from blue to red after saying "Shepherd sends his regards" really added a feel to it.
GOOD EYE! I didn’t catch that.
I loved the facial capture/animation on Graves during that scene.
"Is Graves the bad guy now or somethin?"
My brain: "Nah his tag is blue-"
*changes to red*
"Ah shit"
yes they do really good on those i saw a couple others as well
Thats an insane detail, damn
MW2 in 2009: Shepherd betrayed us
MW2 in 2022: When is Shepherd gonna betray us
MWII 2022: Shepherd burned us.
Have to trust someone to be betrayed. I never did in MW 2022.
I would have been more surprised if he *didn't* betray them.
Now he's just hiding under a rock somewhere
After smocking his habano in Mw3, Price said to himself it was all wrong, it was bad.
He raided area 51 and travel back in time to make everything all right, thats how this new MW exists
When Shepherd betrays us in 2009 = emotional and angry.
When Shepherd betrays us in 2022 = General Shepherd left the Discord.
2009: Do not Trust Shepherd
2020: Do not Trust Adler
2022: Do not Trust Shepherd Again
He left like my father left me
@@taboret3280 Why did you say that
@@taboret3280 Dang that's why how he never find a milk
I felt like joining Shadow Company badass can betrayed against task Force 141 and sabotaged Mexican special forces and they don't care they're against different type enemies in Mexico or Afghanistan right now they have skills Shadow Company can undercover war crimes like they can using on Terrorism Task Force 141 soap ghost on terror war list most wanted on earth making it think they did it for killing citizens and that's how General Shepherd has Special operations counterstrike Call of Duty MWII 2022
The original MW2 betrayal is more memorable, but the detail with the names going from blue, to yellow, and then red as the dialogues go is really cool.
I remember bungie had that in halo 3..
Idk why. But i find it funny it takes as little as a Name tag going from blue to red makes people go. OMFGGGGGG THAT WAS SIIIIICK YOOOO 😂
Because they purposefully lowered everyone's expectations to that, then charge 80 bucks@@ownlydown5933
@@ownlydown5933 I agree. It's actually kind of sad this is the best the new MW2 has to offer. Changes in font color xD
5:33
Haha clever Devs
"Shepherd burned us"
The attention to detail is just amazing.
Shepherd's betrayal in MW2: 😭
Shepherd's betrayal in MWII: 😠
Shepherd's betrayal in MW2 2009, super evil, unhuman, diabolic plan
Shepherd's betrayal in MWII 2022: just a malpractice
on the brightside.. Wagner PMC was in 2022.. so all good
cool bet 🥶🥶🥶
Is was playing the new one and the only thought I can say about him now is
You cheeky bastard
i feel 2022 was more of a "😒"
The pure chad energy in Ghost's "Are you threatening us?"
words of a man who is 100% in control.
They legit turned ghost into Andrew Tate. Damn you Activision!!
@@TheMessiahOfThe99Percentwtf are you talking about
@@TheMessiahOfThe99Percent who the f Is Andrew Tate
@@yesidthecolombian some incel idol
@@TheMessiahOfThe99Percent They turned the OG squad into fucking caricatures
2009: Shepherd betrays you and leaves you in despair and misery
2022: Shepherd's betrayal is no worse than your snake of a homie who owes you 20 bucks
I prefer old shepherd and just the older games in general. They really did a great job of making the cod games feel like ridiculously over the top action movies and I always really enjoyed that about the series.
At least Ghost stayed alive in this new era
@ballsniffer2006 Amen!
@ballsniffer2006 damn straight
Watch now you Jinxed him and He is going to die in the next modern warfare against the battle to kill Sheppard
Activision ain't will kill a character who every MW fan simp on. Ghost is his "money cow" in this "new era" so they will keep him alive till they make 100 skins and a whole ass season pass about this character. It happened with Woods and Mason, now sadly it's time for Ghost.
The writers tried to kill him again and reached from the page and lightly grabbed the pen and took it.
Played both and nothing in gaming history made me feel the way I did in the original when ghost said no then took a round to the chest . It was a boys to men moment
It's a game.
@@desertfoxxx98 Said the mf named desertfox
@@desertfoxxx98 Yes, but that game made our childhoods, and if you're attached to a character, even for a day's worth of time, seeing them get killed in front of you in-game rather than a cutscene, much more having just been betrayed, is gonna mess your day up, especially as a kid.
@@desertfoxxx98 Is it? Holy fuck, I thought it was real life!!!!!11!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!
Man
First time I experienced the betrayal in the original MW2, I had to stop the game and go outside and take a 15 minute walk. That moment shook me to the absolute core. Still gives me chills watching it here.
When a game makes you rethink everything you've done, it's a good game.
Doubt a video game scene made you rethink your entire life lmao
just a game bud
Hope you got some help bro.
@@PlayerAndres Why in tarnation would you rethink everything you’ve done just because of a game video?
“Have to trust someone to be betrayed, I never did”
That line goes so hard
Shepherd portrayed in the first MW2 was more of a leader and less of a politician, that's why when he shot ghost it made sense, his whole personality was "Fine, I will get it done myself" but Shepherd in the new MW2 is more like a political leader, and it's more realistic in todays world. Overall both Shepherds are perfectly portrayed by their character types, it's just a matter of which Shepherd a person likes more. I personally perfer old Shepherd
It kinda reflects the u.s military as a whole these days anyways. Shitty people with lots of medals trying to climb the promotion ladder instead of actually doing the right thing. Look up any video talking about leadership in the u.s armed forces and the comments section is filled with people sharing their experiences with bad officers
Yeah old Shepard was a lead from the front badass that was pushed over the edge by the things he experienced while new Shepard is just some corrupt Washington suit. Huge downgrade imo.
everyone prefers old shepard lets be real, the new ones a joke.
How he behaves is more realistic, but his plan is faaaar less realistic in the new one. Everything about his betrayal is dumb, even by CoD standards
Gotta give credit to that famous betrayal
As much as the new betrayal was incredibly watered down it is a much more realistic scenario. 3 star generals are not on active combat missions. They don’t fly into active war zones and they certainly don’t do there own dirty work. It doesn’t pack the same emotional punch but a corrupt general falling off the map and flying to some remote location while ordering assassinations via a PMC is how that would shake out IRL.
We need it to happen in real life for confirmation of that.
But at the same time 2022 mw2 had some weird logic
@@joshuagross3151 None of the cases would then happen.
@@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 That's my point. Saying one is more realistic than the other is stupid.
Unless you are Russian 3Star general
The fact that the MW2 cinematics aren't live action is insane to me. They look unbelievably good
Obviously aside from the fact that we have trust issues with shepard due to the original MW 2, i think a massive difference is that the first betrayal is instant (giving you no time to comprehend what just happened) and out of nowhere where as the 2nd one slowly builds up with a bit of conflict then then the shepard reveal then the shooting. The first one is also good because after a massive fire fight you feel like once you see shepard and all the heli's your safe and can relax but then the complete opposite happens. also no one dies in the second betrayal so who really cares 🤷
Both of them are good
Just goes to show what can happen in wars btw
@@ErniLandiano the original is
@@thetrashcanman7537ok?
@@jaydena6297 okay shut your mouth
5:34 "Shepherd burned us"
Yeah he did, in modern warfare ll 2009. Heart breaking. Love this little detail they added. I'm glad they brought back one of the best duos. Definitely wouldn't be the same without them.
That went right over my head
@@Lolpy. Sorry, what don't you understand?
@@crispystrawhatbeats74
I meant like when I first played it, I didn’t realize that reference at all.
Damn, did he know that somewhere in the multiverse, this happened? A variant of him was burned by a variant of Shepherd?
@@raisou9750*Ghost into the Codverse*
Mustache Shepherd betrayal: Sudden, Impactful, and Heartbreaking
Bald Shepherd betrayal: Sad, Impactful, but Foreseen
We knew he’s gonna betray us not because the plot is obvious but because after the OG MW2 we never trust anyone again.
@@AlveolarNasal real answer: because his shepherd
this Shepherd looks like professor X ngl
I like the mustache shepherd
Mostly cause we knew it was coming.
We knew of it three years in advance.
The reason that the betrayal in the OG MW2 is more impactful is because Shepard is there the entire time from the start, even does the iconic “helping hand” at the beginning of the game. The new one was obvious because we played the original one, most likely they won’t be killing Shepard in the new trilogy because Laswell is gonna make sure he answers for his crimes cause she’s there to handle the interagency politics while 141 gets to do the bang bang shooty stuff going after Makarov
Laswells there as PR for the govt lol
Laswell is a dogshit character.
Oh boy do I have news to tell you
This aged like milk. He died in the most boring and uninspired way possible.
"they wont be killing Shepherd" huh...
One interesting difference I've noticed in the betrayals is that in the original from 2009 Captain Price isn't really shocked because he claims to have never trusted Shephard. But in the reboot series Price is actually mad and feels back stabbed which implies that he actually did trust Shephard in the new series.
The subtle color change of Graves going blue to red is nice.
That’s exactly what I noticed when playing I was like oh shit something bout to go down
i really wish i turned subtitles on when i play, woulda loved to experience that. hate subtitles tho i find myself reading instead of focusing on the game
Love the name color changes in subtitles in 2022, just a powerful little detail.
Graves turns from Blue to Red after "General Shepherd sends his regards"
And Shepherd turns from Blue to Yellow as his allegiance is in question and goes full Red once he threatens Price with Graves and Shadow
Blue, not green
@@Gen_ShadowCompany_203 True that, updated the comment
Its the little things like that help make a masterpiece
Nice one
Green is the main cast
Blue is Allies or our companion
Yellow is questionable or an neutral one
Red is the baddies
2 things about the new betrayal
1: why the hell couldn’t shepherd just tell 141 the truth about the missiles from the beginning and have them work with shadow company the whole way, at least until they started committing straight up war crimes.
2: why couldn’t Graves and the shadows track the computer used by Price to talk to shepherd, ambush them and slaughter them all at Alejandro’s base if they really had to do that?
Shit even better, just buy the land under the Mexican base.
Real estate is cheap af and it’s not like the Mexican military isn’t gunna take the bribe from a dude who just blew up a city, their men and kidnapped a cartel leader.
shepherds betrayal in the og mw2 was so personal and devastating compared to the new one where it almost feels like it falls flat of betrayal and more like just being screwed over by a random dude in charge
Everyone’s sad about Ghost dying but nobody says anything about my boy roach. 😭😭
That was sad
What's even worse is that THERE AIN'T NO FUCKING ROACH IN 22
Og ghost was better when he was like in the spotlight but not really you know? Like he was a normal SAS but wasnt, now he Is some weirdo who Is there to act mysteriously and soap Is kind of a cómic relief
@@surake8805 exactly, that’s what I hate about the new cod. Everything’s gotta be funny. Back in the order cod it’s was almost like it was was realistic
@@SojuCrumbs yeah Man like they Made It More kid friendly, tried to make the "cool guy" be on the spotlight and took the silent protagonist away, now they got some sort of character development but the silent protagonist Made It feel like you were just another soldier, It Made It unpredictable if you would die since you werent some supersoldier like price or soap( in the second game) you were just some SAS soldier
The way the subtitles change color when Graves said, "General Shepherd sends his regards."
BOCW does that too. subtle but pretty chilling imo.
Yeah not subtle at all
Shepard is like Lannisters
Lannisters also send their regards
That was the lamest scene ever. You could see it from a mile away… MW2(2022) is nothing compared to the OG MW2
@@JayJay5244 W…W…WAHH WAHH
2009: "that's one less loose end"
2022: The General has left the server!
Don't forget, almost all of infinity ward left after this game
As i soon i got to see the new Shepard, I instantly I got those flashbacks of betrayal and sort of prepare myself for the bitter end.
These new generation of cod players will not understand the trauma that general did to our Ghost and Roach.
Speaking of Roach, where the hell is he?
I'm assuming they might not add him to this remake
The same can said for ... hold up did we ever see Griggs in the last two... but then Sandman and his crew. So many more that we're missing. Yuri too actually. Maybe the next one will have answers
Yeah those mfs were the goat, Sandman should of been brought back as well as Frost and Ramirez
@@cloakerzero.mp3802Didn’t Frost actually live? That joint mission with 141 to save The Russian President and his daughter, Sandman’s team had himself, Grinch, Truck, and Frost, but considering we played as Yuri the whole time, I don’t think Frost was there. They should bring them back thou
@@donovanbowman8157 i think he Was injured thats why he was'nt there
The Betrayal in MW2 2022 honestly felt like something that could be avoided........
it was so dumb
But hey, $1 Billion more for the company
Well, Los Vaqueros's soldiers were detained by Graves before he tells 141 and Alejandro he took their base, so it can't be avoided
@@yellowbastard196 I think it could have been avoided by not detaining anybody at all.......
This is a group backed by a high ranking member of the most powerful military in history. And they didn't have some other Black Site they could have used, or make an outpost like the one during the cruise missile mission?
@@johntorreto4485 Oh, so that's what you meant by avoided
Something about the silent protagonist made you give them a personality and hurt more when they were killed.
Why to me it’s more impactful, is the fact that I imagine myself as that silent protagonist. When I played the og MW2 it felt like shepherd betrayed and killed me.
1:36 admit it we all cried in 4k 😭😭
I think they changed the way Shepard betrayed 141 was probably cause the crew was like “listen, the cat’s outta the bag, they’re gonna know anyways so we might as well make shepard’s betrayal a light emotion”
that's what I thought too, it wouldn't hit nearly as hard because it was bound to happen at some point, so it'd be really hard to replicate that kind of 2009 betrayal.
@@bread6435 legit that hit gamers the hardest in the day. Almost every fan would be anticipating his backstab so the company tried to go for another emotional pull.
Also Activision needs to flaunt their golden goose known as Simon "Ghost" Riley.
@@xbuster3 ong this new Ghost has made COD so much money it’s unbelievable… but I mean you can’t really kill off a character that people love with an insane amount of passion… especially after the old cods.
Nah weak excuse. Good writers could make it work.
the problem i see is they couldnt just do the same thing twice. the betrayal *had* to be different to work
Bro they literally did MW2 not twice but three times. But somehow made it worse.
Yeah but it didn’t have to be bad lmao
At least the first Shepherd’s made sense, “after today there will be no shortage of patriots, no shortage of volunteers”
Meanwhile new Shepherd: “Im ProTeCtiNg mY cOuNtRy”
Honestly what if Laswell betrayed the 141 in MW2 that would have been interesting
Thats what a remaster is you touch up the graphics you make some small things fit and make sense you sell it and people buy but no we cant have nice things can we? They ruined the remaster
One small detail that I loved is in the subtitles, once Graves shows he's really our enemy, his name turns red
The original just hit so god damn different. You really felt the betrayal.
In the OG COD: Modern Warfare 2, Shepherd's betrayal killing Ghost and Roach was just a cut of loose ends from the bigger betrayal of manipulating the warfare scene to fabricate WW3, in revenge for a terrorist attack with a nuclear bomb.
I like these new games but the stakes seem ant size in comparison.
For good reason, there probably 18 conflicts like the one we just played through actually taking place and actually being deciding factors as to whether who goes to war, when. I’m sure the developers are told not to put anything that you be inflammatory or super super super American propaganda even though that’s kinda what the game is, at least there aren’t us flags draped in every level of every scene
They are ant sized in comparison, but it makes the story more impactful and closer to realism.
@@nobleradical2158 no it doesn't. There was hardly any impact at all except from me being confused over an action that could easily have been avoided. There's no realism in this game save for military jargon just like its always been
Right!?
@@lemondropsoda18 The US flags draped everywhere were atmospheric as fuck
The 2022 betrayal and plotline is more realistic than the original. A general trying to cover up a black op and running when he's caught makes more sense realistically than one coming in and shooting two of his soldiers in front of a whole squad of his other soldiers
💤
Those 'other soldiers' are his private PMC force, Shadow Company. Also, Shepherd killed Roach and Ghost because if they saw what was on the ACS module, the world would've found out about Shepherd's involvement with the terrorist attack
@@warfare1101 again, realistically it doesn't make sense. A General would never be allowed In the field, first off. He would never have clearance, as he has far too much information that cannot be allowed to be risked falling into "enemy" hands, and generals are involved in the planning of operations and not the actual operations themselves. Generals also DO NOT have their own "personal" squads that they can just command to do whatever they want. It's pretty ridiculous to have to explain any of this to someone. Again, the new game is far more realistic plot-wise. The general would be back in HQ, commanding an operation. If they were dirty, like Shepherd, they'd use an off the books squad like the group in the new game and command them from HQ, and then run if things went south and they were exposed. They would never be in an active combat zone, commanding troops like in the past game.
You must be severely mentally deficient.
@@arthurgangnon3504 some generals DO go to the field
@@thebadwolf3088 and reboot Shepard aint one of them
I love the subtle name color change during the situation with Graves at the gate.
i love how the subtitle color changes as soon as he becomes the enemy
2009: Shepard ignited ww3
2022: all your base are belong to us
The sad part is graves wasn’t evil he was corrupted by shepherd. When the shadow pmcs were transporting the cargo (if you know what it was please tell me in the reply section) the pmcs got attacked, Graves requested for backup but shepherd said they fight with the guns they have. Graves was actually wanting to help them when he said “They need help”.
They were transporting 3 ballistic missiles. Even the soldiers didn’t know what they were transporting and they were willing to die for it. Even though their general didn’t give a fuck about them. Those solidiers knew graves cared for them, so they tried to warn him, right before all of them were killed including dipalo.
Shepherds intent was good but the wrong guys got them.
Graves isn’t guided by morals, he is guided by money which isn’t something that good people do.
@@itsqlexthat doesn’t mean, his character should swap personalities. Graves is a whole new character after he betrays us. Just because his motivation is money, doesn’t justify bad character writing.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 I don’t find it that hard to rationalize. Initially he starts off by telling them to walk away. It’s only after Soap and Ghost take out a few of his men when he becomes totally hostile.
@@itsqlex he’s hostile from the beginning. Graves just straight up says he’s taking Vargas’ base and when he naturally objects, Graves brings up Valeria as if to shame him. He doesn’t try to defuse the situation. He’s basically just saying “I have your base. Go away.”
those animations are insane
I was super disappointed by that scene in MW 2 2022. They have no guts to kill any of the good guys, didn't they?
The death of Roach and Ghost is what made MW2 2009 so memorable. I understand that many people got upset over that (and maybe found solace in the fact that Ghost is alive now), but that was one of the most legendary moments in gaming.
I actually wonder if the MW3 will feature an actual loss- and my prediction would be the loss of Captain Price (since in the old version he is the sole survivor) or who knows, maybe they would all live and kill Makarov (an ideal ending which I doubt it would happen in this version)
And honestly now, Shepherd quite lost his tough attitude, like- old version he was fierce, now he be like a wet blanket sending his pups to clean the mess
And honestly- one big theory: we would see Frost again in any CoD since him too is a sole survivor of the old series- that would be a banger
I hope Delta Force makes a return with all 4 original members: Sandman, Grinch, Truck, and Frost. It would be a huge letdown if they werent.
I think the new modern warfare is on the other verse, so Price on multiverse haha
@@marioconstantino4050 It is a new timeline/universe.
I don't think mw3 will be about killing makarov again.
Mw2019 ending teased cod4 bad guys and then used them on warzone, most likely makarov will be fought and dealt with on warzone like zakhaev and al assad.
@@ScumbagKazuela i didnt like that idea at all. They should've made games about it so it'd be more entertaining
Ghost in 2009: 🔥*Gets burned*🔥
Ghost in 2022: Shepherd Burned us
Putting it like this, it makes it seem like it took Ghost 13 years to realize that.
The moment when Graves names goes from blue to red is cool
Throwback to the time I first experienced grief in a video game as if I actually lost a beloved friend
The difference is in the old one, Shephard personally kills you directly whereas in the new one, it's just a 3D chess interpretation than actually doing it.
It makes more sense. He is a general.
He would probably send someone else to terminate his enemies so yea
In the old one he straight up shoots you & throws your body into a fire pit. In the new one he basically gives you a pink slip and fires you.
Price: Have to trust someone to be betrayed, I never did
Yuri: *let me introduce myself*
yuri didnt betray but when it comes to the american team, sandman is my favorite, though i wish grinch and truck were more developed
@@paleofolk I never said he betrayed, I was trying to point on how suprised he was on Yuri knowing Makarov pretty much feeling betrayed
@@ezekiyam3827 so youre saying yuri betrayed makarov?
@@paleofolk "I never did"
-Price before saying "Soap *trusted* you, I though *I* could too"
@@ezekiyam3827 so youre saying soap betrayed ghost for killing Roach?
This Ghost looks way more sharper than the previous one.
I love how in mw2 2022, the team caption for Graves goes from blue to red the moment he says
"Shepeard sends his regards"
Ghost: “SHEPHERD BURNED US!”
No matter what anybody will ever say, the Dipaolo mission was a heartbreaker. (8:20)
why?
Rip Dipaolo
@@stashedband cause it was sad
No reinforcements, left for dead. Even though that dipalo was a good soldier and tried shouting to graves that they have the radio and so subsequently was killed
Reminds me of the jokers dialogue
“In the last moments of a person you find out what their really like”
MWII's Shepherd *is* more realistic because Generals don't typically go to the front line...but MW2's Shepherd was just better. MWII's Shepherd fucked up and tried to cover it up. Meanwhile MW2's Shepherd was actively plotting and getting things done. Plus they tied his motivations into the events of CoD4 which was really awesome. Nothing ties MW2019 and MWII together outside of featuring the same characters. MW2 Shepherd was also more menacing in general.
I understand that the new MW trilogy wants to be more realistic and tell a story that could happen in the actual modern world... but I feel that has caused it to lose a bit of what made the classic CoD's great - the spectacle. The old CoDs weren't super realistic but man were they fun as hell and a joy to experience from start to finish. The new ones just can't compare.
I love the old game story and how it connected too but with the new MW story we do need something different not the exact same thing.
Sometimes generals actually go to the frontlines, it's not common but i would expect seeing a general on the battlefield after failing and letting a lot of US servicemen dying to a nuke
It's nice to know that, no matter what timeline, General Sheppard's plans never make any sense.
Im not really Surprised that Shadow Company and Shepherd betrayed us... _again_ 💀
Lmao yep, based on previous experience I was waiting for the betrayal
At least Ghost survives and Price’s reputation is intact.
@@paolotorres8537 Fanservice for babies
@@paolotorres8537 for now...
@@micaiahfonken *For now...* :/
Shepherd's betrayal in MW2 2009, super evil, unhuman, diabolic plan
Shepherd's betrayal in MWII 2022: just a malpractice
... He orders a private military company to slaughter an entire Mexican town for no reason.
sheperd's betrayal in the 2022 game is just the clip from hangover when bradley cooper calls the bride saying "we fucked up"
The emotional damage that the gamers experienced in 2009 will be never experienced ever in any gaming franchise.
“Good, that’s one less loose end” theses words will make the strongest of COD players cry… 😭
The new Shepherd felt like he suppose to lead a certain group to defend the earth against an alien robot invasion
I fuckin love MvA
@@derpcade monsters vs alien?
@@megatron2171 yeah
@@derpcade i was referring to transformers tho
Ooohhh I got the reference
Dude the tension when Gaves name turns red in the subtitle is insane. Such a good cutscene
Bro I peeped that I’m like wtf
OG betrayal is just too much even to this day, hearing price on the radio when it was too late 😭
Shepherd in MW2 2023 is played by by overlord from MW2 2009. That's hilarious. His voice is uncanny
MW2 2035...
Shepard: I'm giving you two weeks notice, clear out your desks.
For people confused this is an alternate reality to the original games.
What
@@unseenyt3 the new modern warfare games are an alternate reality universe type thing they have nothing to do with the three originals.
@@bigspas3 not quite, they are reboot of the original ones and not alternate reality or universe at that matter.
@@raksi6382 you quite literally just proved my point it's a completely different story
@@bigspas3 while yes it is a different story, but what you implied is that it is a alternate universe or in other words a parallel universe that co-exist with the original one. TDLR a multiverse which is wrong
I think what makes it hit the hardest is price on the comms telling you not to trust him but it was already too late😭
Shepherd betraying is a canon event.
At least with the remake Ghost survives which is what I like.
It's like the 2009 one doesn't exist anymore.
He'll die in the next MW and it'll hit harder
they are trying to bury their past. cant compare to something that doesnt exist
I’ll take it. As long as ghost lives I’ll be fine
@@Drengr-Wulfit’s more realistic. Why would a 3 star general be landing in a active combat zone when he could just watch from a safe distance and let his subordinates do the dirty work
@@shrimpy_nazeem oh like a single guy playing gun fights with a tank in a boss fight is realistic, or how somehow a whole fucking city is to believe what they saw as a explosion was from a electrical problem and not the obvious fucking missile.
Cod is as realistic as rambo was fucking realistic. Get over yourselves, its dumbing down fictional stories for the sake of realism, it is the political intrigue that got star wars boring. It made shepherd boring.
Price's reaction to Shepherd's betrayal 2009: I need vengeance!
Price's reaction to Shepherd's betrayal 2022: I need a cigar.
Old Shepherd: will do 100 push-ups under 1 minute for warm-up.
New Shepherd: will collapse after 3 mins into jogging
Shepherd really turned from a man with a mustache to his own grandfather lol
5:34 *Shepherd burned us* 🤣🤣
"You have to trust someone to be betrayed, I never did."
-Captain Price 2009
The saddest thing in the second betrayal is that shepherd wasn’t even in it
Shepherds betrayal in 2009 : that’s one less loose end
Shepherds betrayal in 2022: you’ve been released from service
2009 shepherd: unexpected betrayal, going to war without vest protection, badass revolver
Virgin (2022) shepherd: coward, goofy ahh traitor, bald
and the 2022 version doesnt have the moustache, his primary asset
badaas revolver (that sounds like a desert eagle) and sexy ass moustache
From gold eagle to bald eagle 💀💀💀
It's crazy in the classic ghost skin pack on MW2 there's an emblem called "final moments" and you can see the helis reflecting on ghost glasses.
This new generation will never feel the betrayal like we did on the OG mw2, Damn I got emotion trauma from that still💀💀💀
Rip ghost both games are good but I'm just glad he got to live this time
One of the old Ghost is very weak, two of my relatives are not from that generation and they played the game, they have it for PC currently.
Same here
Khronoh shut yo ass up. EVERYONE seen the old betrayal. You ain’t special💯💯
MW 2022 betrayal doesn't give you any memory unike the OG which was remembered by everyone
❤️🧡💛
True, though I prefer the more diplomatic approach that the new one seems to take, especially seeing as it allows for all of our favourite 141 members to make it out alive this time (though roach still isn't in the picture yet)
You never know though.
kids today don’t know what it was like to see that brutal betrayal with that music… there’s a reason it’s still talked about today. legendary
I love that when Graves threatens 141, his name in subtitles turns red from blue.
5:36
“He sent Graves to kill us”
I mean he kinda did give you a chance to fuck off lmao
After he had Alejandro's entire team arrested. *Yeah, pretty sure it was all rigged to be on sight.*
Sheperd and Graves _wanted_ them to retaliate so they would have an excuse to kill them.
Honestly I can't be the only one that's happy ghost is alive. I was so upset over it, having super soldiers basically killed in the most basic way. My childhood was a cliffhanger and I spent months searching if he lived somehow lol. They literally fixed my life long anxiety and kept him alive, job damn well done. It is pretty cool how the Russians get involved vs. the all out battle royale towards the end of OG MW2
To be fair, they were shot in the chest with a 500 Magnum. Super soldier or not, that's gonna tickle.
They weren't super soldiers... They were the elite, sure. But in the end they are humans who just got played a bad hand. You saw how close Ghost was to killing Shepherd. Shepherd was just faster.
old man shepherd faster than an elite soldier like ghost ? weird
The only issue with keeping him alive is that it’s hard to top him being killed. When he died in MW2 09 you saw him being an absolute badass throughout the campaign, and even in his last mission he’s dragging you to safety refusing to leave you behind, before he’s shot like nothing & you watch his lifeless body be thrown into a pit to be burned. It’s impactful for the same reason him being a badass was, you’d think he would die in extreme combat, not like an animal. Sure Ghost survived NOW, but come on, now the betrayal is barely as impactful.
@@jackp.richardson6415 i mean activation is probably trying to spare/save us from getting ptsd and the new generation to get traumatic experiences
the og betrayal felt like shepherd screwed all of 141 over
the new betrayal felt like shepherd screwed all of shadow company, and graves over by letting his men die and leaving graves to pick up after shepherds trash lol (graves is an amazing character)
old shepherd looks like an old man that has a fking 8 pack made of steel, he commands his army but when he has to step in he's a literal final boss
new shepherd looks like a commander that got lucky and got the position cause the military had no other options
The most emotional element is that beautiful song when Shepherd betrayed us in orginal MW2
It's kinda scary that your ally's name turned red during cutscenes
People need to see that the betrayals are not only different just to spice things up and give ghost more characters dev but also because the causes and reasons for why Shepard does it is completely different Shepard in the reboot is a general who messed up and tried to make amends for his own gain the og one was a calculated soldier who wanted to be seen as a war hero by literally causing a war
Yeah because a general really cares if he messed up 😂
Bro, I think you don’t understand. America
The US would have covered it up just so it doesn’t make us look bad.
If anything he should have a Senator bury the whole problem, and it won’t be treason
RIP Vance, Erikson, and Dipaolo 🫡
that whole sequence in the original was awesome. breaking out of the trap at the house and the running battle to the chopper. 10/10
"Shadows are everywhere" - Simon "Ghost" Riley
"Shepherd burned us" - Simon Ghost Riley
Back in 2009 i was a innocence kid who only knew crash bandicoot and barely cant event play resident evil 4, until i tried COD: Modern warfare 2, at first it was fun, that was my first FPS experience until, shepherd betrayed. That was the moment i knew that i was bamboozled, and backstabbed at the same time
I never noticed this cold line in the campaign, probably cause I was 10 years old “Have to trust someone to be betrayed, I never did.” 😮
2009 "Do not trust shepherd " the most painful thing I ever heard
I still get PTSD for the original MW2's betrayal