Renny's TMS Success Story - Head Pain and Health Anxiety
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- Renny's TMS Success Story - Head Pain and Health Anxiety
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This is Rachel from Idaho here. This is my story almost exactly, except even worse head pain. I am a year into my tms journey and I am feeling so much better. I just went skiing yesterday and it was great!! You were the key factor in my recovery Dan! Your easy laid back approach and just living my life was just what I needed. I am so grateful for your advice and videos. You are doing a great work! Keep going everyone!
Thanks for sharing your success and encouraging others. Wonderful.
Did yours start with injury ?
this success story was one of the most helpful i've seen. i experienced that same sort of head "pain" for almost a year, and it comes and goes still. plus, i've been in cycle of health anxiety for a few years now. i'm trying to be consistent with messages of safety, not giving symptoms attention or fearing them, being indifferent, and assuring myself that i'm okay...the being consistent is the hard part! and i loved the "my body is talking to me!" thank you renny and dan!
Beautiful Marta. Really glad this one resonated with you. You can and WILL be a success too.
Thank you Renny and Dan, this was a really good interview!! I'm similar to Renny in that my issue started with a severe headache that came on suddenly, having never suffered from headaches before. And like Renny I had all the CT, MRI, bloods etc which all came back normal. The fear of what it could be led to more pain symptoms which led to health anxiety and crippling daily anxiety and panic attacks. The anxiety felt worse than having the original headache!! I've been working on the calm reassurance and telling myself I'm safe and living my life despite the symptoms, which is challenging, but Rennys story has given me more motivation to just keep at it!!
You are in the right place Helen. If you want help implementing these concepts, that's what my group coaching is all about. www.PainFreeYou.com/join
This was SOO valuable!
‘Our body talking to us’!
Yes!
It’s so normal to develop health obsession/ anxiety when doctors can’t find anything and you suffer big!
I promised myself to never go back to google again if a symptom pops up.
I’m unlearning my pains but also relearning my trust in my body and health!
Very well explained Renny, congrats on ending your suffering and taking this new healthy path!
Thanks for the great coaching on this Dan!
Health anxiety has to be more spoken about in combination with chronic pains/ symptoms in my opinion.
🙏🌻🤗
Thanks Inge - I made a note to speak about health anxiety and TMS/PDP.
@@PainFreeYou wonderful Dan! Really looking forward to a video broadening on that topic!👍
@@Inge508 Me too Inge ✋
@@jue7434 hi dear! Hope you’re doing well! Have a lovely Sunday evening 🤗🌻
Sometimes I think my body like a pinball machine. Pinging out pain as ball bearing hits lol then the health anxiety "could it be" thoughts start. Am going to try saying it's my body letting me know I'm alive and well.
Thank you both. Great interview. Wow 27min "random pains just your body letting you know you're alive".
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love that phrase... It's just your body talking to you, hmmm I think I'm going to use that saying from now on Renny.😊👍
Perfect
Thank you so much Renny and Dan! These success stories are so so helpful and relatable! They are proof that situations like this are real, painful, scary and then the way out! Thanks again for taking time to help everyone🙏
Absolutely! It's our pleasure.
Thank you Renny & Dan - so insightful I really hear you regarding the health anxieties… I too began to realise in time - it was that same familiar hyper vigilance ..… being on alert ready for the next symptom/disaster blah blah… so happy that I rarely do that these days and if I do I call it out! I learnt so much listening to your conversation.. I’m so sorry you e been through the whole medicalisation experience- wonderful that you are out the other side! I resonated with your body talking to you! Our body is our friend ❤much love to everyone in this community may you all be well xx
Thank you Renny and Dan the Mindset Man! Great interview so thrilled that you have your life back! I’m in the Coaching Calls with Dan our Guide and the Community. I’m
moving forward! ❤️
Our pleasure!
Renny and Dan, thanks for a great success story! Renny so glad you were determined to make it to the other side and you did! I believe I'm right behind you!!!
Our pleasure Donna!
Fantastic!! Hits home so much for me “for Tom” & hope many others. Many similarities to my journey. Thankyou. Ive watched it once and will again this afternoon. I may just put it on a loop
Somedays I workout in our garage rather than the gym. I listen to nothing but Dan’s videos & success stories. I binge
Thankyou Renny and Dan for sharing your story 🤗😊 🌻.
Thank you Dan, and Renny for takeing the time to share your journey, it seems we all have a catalogue of very weird symptoms, it's so reassuring to know other people have them too,before I knew what they was all about they were very frightening, because like Renny I couldnt work out what they could be , and no one could give me any answers, when you keep getting hypers and loosening the strength in your muscles ext, so to find your vidios were a myrical, and took all the wondering and fear away, not only that knowing that your not the only one with these funny things going on, when youv only been used to people around you that don't experience these things, it such a relief, the success stories give you so much hope🌞
That's great kathy.
Great interview! Renny had me chuckling all the way through! What a great guy! He has a really lovely way of looking at life. Wonderful ❤🎉
Yes, I definitely enjoyed our conversation. Great guy for sure.
Great interview guys! So happy for you Renny. 🙏🏾 And once again Dan is able to help us all. The word “Health Anxiety” really hit home with me and my younger brother. I remember how much the symptoms would “jump”. When one symptom was gone, another one would pop up. The knowledge of TMS/PDP really improved my life! Thanks Dan for everything!
You are very welcome Hardeep.
Its crazy that this individual is describing my situation exactly. Not only my situation but the steps one takes while operating on a self diagnosis/google frenzy trying to figure out what is happening and what could be causing the pain. It gives me a sense of connection and a feeling that we're not alone and this is not a ME problem but an issue that many seem to struggle with. Thanks for uploading this Dan. Through hard work, discipline and faith in Christ, one day I will reach out and give you a testimony of my success story.
Hugely grateful to you both for posting this video. I resonate with your anxiety experience Renny, very similar going on for me right now. To hear how you are through the other side of it now is soothing nectar to my nervous system...and massive encouragement to keep implementing & applying all I that have recently learnt through listening to Dan & being part of his group. Thank you both from the bottom of my heart.Xx
Wonderful Josie - thank you.
Loved this conversation. Thanks for touching on health anxiety and confirming that the process of ridding of it is exactly the same as physical symptoms. It’s so helpful to hear it firsthand from someone who experienced and overcame it. Thanks Renny and Dan!
You are quite welcome.
Really enjoyed this, love your perceptions - like molasses, the slow movement towards being OK, and our body talking to us, yes I get that, and health anxiety - I think this is the core of PDP/TMS. Thanks for your share xx
Glad you enjoyed it.
Anxiety . It’s something that comes with a mass amount of symptoms all by its self. And health anxiety ...let’s create symptoms that look just like illness and other peoples symptoms . 😮
Yes, but anxiety itself is not dangerous. It's a state of being. Getting scared by anxiety ensures it will continue. It is all a response to the brain perceiving danger. Safety is the way out.
Awesome interview😊
Thank you!
Such a relatable story as I went on a similar journey. Thank you for this! I am getting better all the time as consistency becomes more solid.
Wonderful!
Congratulations Kenny loved your story. I am also very determined to get this never ever give up I can do this... Sending you much love Lenneke 😘
You can do it!
One of the best talks ever...plus....this was exactly me.. headaches etc.thank you dear people's.☺️
Glad it was helpful!
I love that comment, "what's a Dan Buglio?" LOL, HE'S FREAKIN AWESOME!
Haha - Thank you!
Thank you. Congratulations!!
My issue is constantly tensing my body. That’s what I need to get passed.
That's not the issue. That's the result of the brain perceiving danger. Safety is the solution. More info here: www.PainFreeYou.com/start
Thanks for sharing your story, Ronny. I had those shakes for a couple of years, especially at night or when reclining. They are so NOT fun! Health anxiety is a tricky beast to wrestle with for many of us. Great job. 🙏🏼✌🏽
Health anxiety is a form of ocd. Tolerate uncertainty is the answer.
Thanks Donna.
Yes, tolerate uncertainty. Exactly.
@@wednesdayschild3627 yes yes yes !! this is what I have discovered. NOCD is a great resource for gold standard treatment for OCD.
@@wednesdayschild3627 yes ocd prior to.tms for me
Thank you. 🙏😊
You’re welcome 😊
I cry. A lot. Pressure in my head and body. I’m stuck in a loop. Deep in depression. I can’t get long term momentum and keep ending up in a hole. Bless this man x
Go through the resources on this page. It's a great place to learn more and see a path forward to recovery. www.PainFreeYou.com/start
Same
I've suffered chronic pain on the back and top of my head for the last 4 years; it has caused me no small amount of depression and anxiety. A regular headache isn't so localized on the scalp. I got a cat scan and the mri which showed nothing. The pain comes and goes in cycles but it's definitely connected to stress. Last February I discovered Howard Schubiner on UA-cam and I realized his mind body syndrome described a lot of my symptoms. It's very unnerving to feel pain in the area of your body so close to your brain.
Take inspiration from Renny that there is a cure. If you want to dive deep into my concepts, a good place to begin is: www.PainFreeYou.com/start
This is my story. But everybody keeps saying I push too hard, I do too many things. But nobody can ever find anything! I actually had a coach tell me if I keep living this way, I'll never heal. But what am I healing???? My scans and tests are all healthier than they ever have been. I am also an athlete, despite all the things. It's not easy some days, but I don't stop. I moved my house and business and ran into SO MANY obstacles recently. And boom 💥 flare. But I know what happened. My mind thinks I made a HUGE mistake. Even if I did, pain is not warranted. So I'm working on that now, and I don't believe in mistakes. Lastly, my ANKLE has been so painful and I went on a treadmill and the next day, gone. But my head is a hard one, I won't ever give up. Thanks, Dan!
I totally relate to the hyper-alert Ray spoke about. It’s a vicious cycle.
What he also demonstrated, with consistent awareness and practice, we can step out of that cycle. Once we are out of it, we realize, it was never vicious. It just seemed that way.
My big thing is severe anxiety (which is just TMS PDP in another jacket). This morning (Sunday) I decided I'm gonna drive right into the city of London about 2miles from my home. Major roundabout that's now being changed, under construction 3years. There are classes and theatres I want to attend but need to know the way. My brain overwhelmed, shiny high rise buildings edging the kerbs , very poor signage. Missed my turnoff lol sat in traffic then had to take a u.turn (no idea if illegal or points on my license, time will tell) anyway I got back on track and continued back, got shopping, got petrol, walked down by the river etc. So many symptoms but am proud of myself for doing this. Listening to Renny given me more confidence, totally going to focus the anxiety as just TMS PDP. Thanks
Fabulous PB well done I just wish I had the confidence to even get in my car and drive around my little Yorkshire Town let alone London 🚗
Well done PB😊
So brave of you Patricia 😘😀
@@jue7434 small steps. Try just sitting in it listening to Dan's videos. Wishing you well. Not gonna lie I thought I was gonna freak out 🤣
Your very brave doing all that, I think anyone would be anxious driving in London, I am just thinking about it lol😸
So grateful to both of you. I appreciated Renny and Dan talking about the process of coming to believe in the TMS diagnosis. My motto is “act as if”. ❤❤❤ Thank goodness Dr Sarno had the courage to break free of the standard medical model. I do think many doctors want to help but don’t know how and have been brainwashed. Love my morning coffee with Dan!
Glad to be able to join you for coffee in the mornings. :-)
I completely relate it too has consumed me. I am pretty sure I’ve lost the third of my income as I’m entrepreneur because one I just didn’t feel well enough to be at my desk and two I was researching it all the time. Thank you for sharing listen to these I guess I’m going to stopu therapy medical and start focusing on mind body.
Thanks for sharing this. I’ve done years of research (and experienced myself) health anxiety and I honestly believe that TMS/PDP is in many ways, health anxiety. If you think about it, TMS IS health anxiety that is localized to one area, one or more symptoms, a fear around a specific pain, etc. Dan have you ever thought of having some interviews with health anxiety practitioners to help both communities?
No, but that's a great idea.
Liz Gil
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Hi Dan, if I may recommend someone to speak to about anxiety it would be Charelle (I don’t know her last name, sorry). She has an amazing recovery story and is a health anxiety coach. I’m currently suffering with chronic pain, tinitus, and severe health anxiety and watching her videos on her channel-Charelle thinks- and your videos have made a huge difference for me. I don’t think she’s a professional practitioner, however she has a lot of insight and information about it. At the very least she may be a good recovery story to share. Thank you for all you do Dan! I will be reaching out to join your groups soon.
@@lizgil7323 Thank you for sharing this resource with me and my viewers.
I have severe headaches and migraines as well, almost daily. I know and belief it's perceived danger signal. I can see that very clearly for myself. The problem is; there's a lot of ongoing stress, worry and trauma in every day life concerning my three special need kids. Most days it's like hell in our home (and that's not a term I would use easily). We receive a lot of help from diverse organisations (which also puts on to extra stress, with all the appointments, observations, paperwork etc.), but it's not likely to change in nearby future. So how can you teach yourself you're safe when you are in the middle of such survival mode (with a lot of suppressed emotions about the whole situation). Btw, I'm going to a therapist, but with no result in a year. He says it's difficult to make changes because of the ongoing trauma and survivalmode we're in.
I completely understand where you are. And I recognize your daily life won't be changing anytime soon. However, there is no need to hurt. I do believe we can still teach our brain that the headache is not needed. This video touches on that subject. Life can be lifey but we don't have to hurt.
ua-cam.com/video/twNl7iv4K0Y/v-deo.html
@@PainFreeYou Thank you! Will watch that video tonight ❤
Very similar to my b m s story how it never goes away
Omg the health anxiety!!! I have had the same thing happen as soon as my pains started to dissipate I started with the health anxiety. I was wondering why this was going on.
Nothing new is going on. Just a fearful brain trying to keep you safe. Assure yourself and the scared brain that you are, in fact, already safe.
I wonder why it worries though by the symptoms it's made
@@tomsale5142 Symptoms are made by the subconscious (primitive brain) that is just trying to keep us safe. The conscious thinking brain does all the worrying.
@@PainFreeYou so you don't think the primitive brain worries?. It just reacting to the conscious brain worrying and the time lag between the two.
@@tomsale5142 It reacts to anything going on. Conscious thoughts. Happenings around us, etc. Teach safety from the conscious brain. Done consistently, the subconscious eventually learns.
I’ve had constant left side chest pain for 12 years now. Had all the tests and my heart is fine but I can’t accept that nothing is wrong… it’s the worst feeling ever. I’ve watched all of Dans videos and am trying to teach myself I am safe. It’s not working but it’s all I want.. so sick of this
The foundation of recovery is accepting that your brain is creating the pain and not your body. As long as you believe your body is at fault, the symptoms will likely continue. If you want to dive deep into my concepts, a good place to begin is: www.PainFreeYou.com/start
Any results
@@tomsale5142 trying to accept that it’s my brain wanting to be safe. It’s going to take a while… trying to stay positive and not focus on the pain as scary.
@@OptimusRon23 yes it ihave it same area but both sides
Thank you. I am back in my old job after 2years, while still having the same symptoms. Weirdly when I am at the job, my symptoms are less. In the mornings when I work from home or on the weekends the symptoms are bad. Today was another day with bad symptoms. Trying to stay calm.
That is a very common experience. When we are engaged in something other than thinking about our pain, symptoms settle down. That's proof your brain is creating the symptoms based on perceived danger.
@@PainFreeYou yes i know it is tms. The weird thing is that I have already been working for a year but this was in another job. In that other job the symptoms were still so bad that I often couldn't focus on what I was doing..
@@coveredup2006 It's not the job that's the issue. The brain perceiving danger is. ua-cam.com/video/tnU6KBAv5fg/v-deo.html
The way forward is teaching the brain that the job, regardless how stressful, does not need to cause pain or symptoms.
@@PainFreeYou well actually, the job i'm in now is more stressful! So i know it's not the job. Just wanted to share. Still busy trying to remain calm tho.
@@coveredup2006 Keep at it. You are on the right path.
Renny mentioned cutting off those catastrophic thoughts with the anxiety, I find this very very hard to cut them off so am stuck in the fight flight loop all day for a long long time it's exhausting and scarey. If Renny reads would like to know how he cut off those thoughts. Anxiety is a beast and stops me doing much. It's worse than the pain although as he said and you say very connected, for me the anxiety is worse by far. Living in this fearful state every day is hard and depressing.
Awareness and choice. Be aware of the thoughts and make a decision not to believe them. ua-cam.com/video/A6Z6KO7b0lE/v-deo.html
You can do this.
Hi Julie I was the same as you stuck in the anxiety loop. What helped me was listening to Dan and reading a book (I got the audible version) by Barry McDonagh called DARE. I also got the DARE app. Both these things have helped me immensely I now get out and about freely with minimal anxiety. I know Dan won’t mind me mentioning DARE as he’s occasionally recommended it to people with anxiety.
@@robertasmith3437 Thanks Roberta. No, I don't mind you recommending DARE. I bring it up frequently myself.
@@robertasmith3437 thank you I do have the DARE book and on audio but don't seem to be able climb this mountain of anxiety. It's very difficult. Pleased you have been able to get out and about. I think I've become so afraid of the adrenaline and all the stuff and symptoms that go with anxiety. Feel stuck with it.
@@Julie-iw3mh Julie I feel your pain. I found it so difficult too you’re not alone. I was afraid of everything especially my symptoms of constant high nervous arousal but over time things did slowly start to settle down. It’s not easy I know but baby steps and perseverance can take you a long way. Take care x
As a long term health anxiety sufferer Renny's story is so familiar to me. What alot of people dont understand is that anxiety is not just feeling nervous, it creates so many painful and scary symptoms and the more we worry, the worse they get. Trying to recognize that its anxiety and distracting myself with things that I enjoy can be helpful though it's not always easy to do. I've definitely seen an improvement in some of my symptoms since I made the TMS/anxiety connection. I'm not there yet but listening to other people and their stories makes me realise it's not just me.
It's all the same thing. Symptoms, including anxiety are created by a brain perceiving danger. Teach the brain we are safe and the symptoms and anxiety can go away.
You are not alone!
@@josiejo117 😊
They sure do sure I have Asperger's another label but Asperger's is related to high sycosomatic pain always worried badly
@@tomsale5142 My husband has Asbergers so I understand. He has sensory issues with things like touch and noise. Theres a label for everything these days but I try and remind him we are all human beings and unfortunately mental health acceptance still has a long way to go and there is never enough help.
Morning. I’m getting better of my anxiety but I’m bothered with a sore back. I can’t find a pain killer that works for me. It’s holding me back from getting back a normal life. Iv had a scan & doctor saying it’s wear & tear. I’m a 74 year old woman in Scotland 🏴.
Isn't the sore back TMS PDP?
I’m not sure what you mean ? Tms etc. ?
Calm indifference is where I play right now .. medically I’m ok but was referred to neuro specialist but they haven’t called back so I’m thinking just self healing.. so calm indifference is where I’m starting to play for past few days. I’m doing this to control anxiety.. no more panic ha attacks just three days into it wait one few mins flare up but that’s it. So calm indifference please wave over me more often . I’ve decided I have Chronic head pain TMS and I’m on my way thru healing. Love Dan❤❤❤❤ his work is truly a walking angel on earth❤I just hope my headaches leave me soon. Four months of them
So how long did it take him to recover ?
“What’s a Dan Bugilo” 🤣🤣 funny but when you’re desperate to “get better”, you’ll take any supplement or undergo any treatment even it’s named “a Dan Buglio”
Haha - "what's a dan buglio" Yeah, that was funny to me too.
Hello sir....I asmriti from india...i want your help...
I have so many symptoms...i don't know how to gettinh rid of it
I have heavy headness, eyefloaters, tinnitus,burning sensation on back side of head when I putting head on my pillow,
Neckpain,back pain, tingling, pins and needles, sometimes double n disturb vision
Blurry vision
A great place to learn more about the cause of the symptoms and the path forward is: www.PainFreeYou.com/start
How did he get rid of his pain??
By understanding the true cause of it. TMS and what I refer to as Perceived Danger Pain. If these are new concepts to you, you can learn more on my getting started page. www.PainFreeYou.com/start
The same here shaking legs and arms feels like my feats is round.
Needles and pins and so on.
It’s so horrible to be so scared al day long and everyday it’s more and more.
I feeling is we’re is Marie? Is she gone? Who is this only fear and pain.
I listen every dag at the videos but it’s like there is something that’s sitting on my shoulder and saying you don’t have TMS the inner critic is very concerned.
And I feeling hopeless.
I talking to my self but will it work even if I have a hard time to convince my self that I am safe?
It takes practice. Watch my fast start video playlist to understand more of what is going on and what to do about it. ua-cam.com/play/PLRJmnkn2kTTIl4frNvmpenr49xcTmVl2H.html
@@PainFreeYou I thank you Dan for al your patience with me🙏🏻😔
I think it's best to go to a neurologist only as a kind of last resort (or not at all). (An osteopath physician actually told me this once). Mostly they will just worry you by telling you about all the things that it "could" be, but without any method of actually helping you.
🤔 mmm. For me excluding the real catastrophic things by a neurologist was helpful too. But labeling me afterwards with unexplainable chronic illness was not good either..
I do agree that getting an MRI to rule out anything catastrophic like an aneurysm or tumor is important. Rule out the big stuff, then rule in TMS.
Is fatigue not linked to diet?
Some people say it is. I have spoken to tons of people trying to fix symptoms with diet to no avail. I believe symptoms, including fatigue come from the brain as a result of it perceiving danger.
What if its worse when I try to work out even though I've told myself repeatedly its ok! I want my gym life back ! 😩
Consciously you tell yourself it's safe. Your subconscious still perceives working out to be dangerous. This video can help. ua-cam.com/video/mRowJmW4uk0/v-deo.html
@@PainFreeYou i will keep telling myself thanku ' my stupid brain keeps saying an xray and ultrasound didn't show muscle strain ' maybe an mri would 🙈
@Elizabeth Tara 76 An onset of pain is not proof of a muscle injury. It is proof the brain is perceiving danger. You don't have to listen to that brain. Even if an MRI found a muscle strain - how would that help you feel safer?
Understand the cause of pain: ua-cam.com/video/tnU6KBAv5fg/v-deo.html
@@PainFreeYou you're very right ' i think maybe 'a don't work out until the strain is better.. my mind !! Lol I so appreciate u. ❤🙏😊
This guy reminds me of johnny depp for some reason lol
And the groups are the worst l
I am currently dealing with health anxiety and it has been my biggest symptom over the years. Every health scare became catastrophic. Recently, I was diagnosed with OCD. IT makes sense because OCD relates very closely to Health Anxiety. Exposure Response Prevention is the gold standard to treat OCD and Health Anxiety. NOCD is a great resource with skilled therapists in Exposure Response Prevention. Paige Pradko on youtube, does great videos on this topic. I too often wonder if PPD is not related to OCD! How often do we obsess about our symptoms and then do compulsions(dr. google, see various doctors, talk to friends for reassurance etc) It is all so related. I do also advocate that more research is done on the connection between PPD and OCD.
For many with TMS/Perceived Danger Pain - thoughts that might be defined as OCD are quite common. Once the fear has been neutralized by knowing what is really going on, the thoughts tend to settle down.
The Steady Coach on UA-cam has an interesting video around vestibular issues, chronic pain, anxiety and OCD. I've been dealing with it all...and more...including OCD.