old thread but i put my 2 penny... ps2 was designed for analogue - rgb the best video out. if you hook it to any modern HDMI TV - you need very good converter. you will also have some lag from your TV and converter. I have OSCC which brilliant but... PS3 gives you HDMI output for PS2 games and if it's backwards comparable with PS2 - you can try both PS2 and PS3 version without emulation like PS4! PS3 version will win! even Ps4 pro will have some frame drops! Honestly! PS VITA is completely different animal. YOU PLAY on the GO!. yes - the frame rate id far from perfect - but if spend most of your time in the airports, hotels - that gives your the best experience to play your games and pick up your saves from PS3..... So even if Vita is not slow - do you really wanna get your PS3 on the run?
I must say that I just loved playing the games in 3D on ps3! The 720p limit is bummer, but the graphics are just gorgeous. I wish they had released that version for the ps4 in addition to the upscaled original.
The PS3 HD collections are a full port of the games onto the system, whereas the PS4 versions are just the PS2 games being emulated. The limited directional inputs and the choppy performance are emulation errors due to the quick and dirty nature of the release. You can invert the camera on the PS4 versions but the option is hidden behind a button combination that I don't remember off-hand you'd have to Google it, this is because it's still just the PS2 rom so they couldn't alter the options menu to include the feature properly. Shame they didn't tell anyone, I was half way through the first one before I looked it up. I consider the PS3 ones to be my favourites over the PS2 because of the solid performance and the trophy support, despite some of the oddities that show up like the punch glitch and the general 'feel' being veeeeery slightly off. It's a shame they botched the PS4 ones.
Hey dude! You literally popped up in my feed and I saw 400 views and I was like hmm gotta help him out... boom... killer content! Love the run down/ commentary channels!
So glad someone made a video about this, and why not Boomer of all people? I'm glad to see it wasn't just me hallucinating with the snappy controls and misremembering with the poor frame spikes. I just wish they could optimize the PS4 versions better... but oh well. Guess I'll go back to playing Jak II and 3 on PS3. Will you compare PS2 and PS4 Jak X? I'm curious to how those stack up against eachother.
I love your Jak content man, it's good to see someone with few subscribers make quality content on this amazing franchise. You'll get your recognition eventually.
Quality content man. I'd choose the ps3 version because of how smooth frame rate is and how good it looks. Ps2 would be my second option because runs well and I haven't notice frame rate issues. Ps4 is worse for me as lag and limited movement
Well, this video nicely settles my opinion; PS2 is the best. For me, authenticity is what I care for. I grew up playing the original PS2 versions and every minor graphic bug in newer versions makes me lose interest. If I get a new TV however, I'll likely change my mind.
Would you ever consider making a video of all the locations in which the punch glitch happens? I've platinumed Jak 1 on the collection and never witnessed this glitch in that game and I haven't touched Jak 2 & 3 at all to be able to comment on those. Thank you for the informative videos!
Thanks for the video, i do have one thing to add it's the lighting, effects and texturing you mentioned how it looked in the distance but not up close In comparing PS3 and PS4 Jak 1 I noticed clearer detail on Jak's clothing and Daxters fur texture, I believe there's also effects missing from the PS3 release which I think I can confirm unless the PS4 version removed them but I can't say for Jak 2 + 3.
I heard various lighting effects like more shiny reflections on certain 'metallic' surfaces but that's not something I've compared. I can confirm that the 'stars' (sun, night star and daystar from Jak 3) are just static sprites in PS3 where as in PS4 they're full on particle effects. Some of these may have been based on PS2 hardware rendering and so when porting, alternative methods to re-create the effects were necessary and optimisation to remove frame drops was deliberately considered on PS3 (and obvious meticulously considered on PS2). I feel like PS4 would perform better in terms of frame rate if eg. stuff like those star particles weren't constantly active.
ps4 "version" is just emulated ps2 iso, with increase internal resolution, that slowdowns are emulator related, just like in pcsx2 and this is why it has that citadel skip.
I bought PS4 a few days ago just to play Jak and Daxter lol Jak 1 is running great Jak 2 has scratchy sounds in the audio at times unfortunately. But overall it's acceptable for what it is
I’m kinda a Jak purest, and honestly, graphics aside, the PS3 versions have too many graphical and sound issues. I hope they fix the frame rate issues for the PS4 versions
After over a year of no patches, can’t help but feel a little ripped off, game could really be good, and they could 100% fix this in patches if they really cared, kinda sucks.
vindictx sorry for late reply, but I would say if you have no other Jaks to play, than go for it on PS4 but if you have a PS3 or PS2 you shouldn’t bother
Speaking of the PS2 to HDMI adapter, most TV's and monitors don't even support 480i through HDMI(Most games and the console stick around that resolution). That's just something I thought of throwing in there.
sebastianali hack your vita with tech James vids and put lolicon which is is vsh menu with super overclock on your vita and gfx graphics and you can adjust your FPS limit and res on there and makes it pretty good
What? I was JUST about to buy the collection. I was so fucking excited, gonna stream for friends. Does that snapping into predetermined directions thing really happen? Edit: someone please tell me that doesn't happen I want to cry :(
It actually doesn't happen all too often. The PS3 version is the only way I can play all the games back to back and I only ever really had it happen once or twice my whole play session on Jak 2.
Do you get the punch glitch only in Jak II or the entire HD Collection? I run the games on emulator, and I’ve recently been getting the punch glitch frequently on all games. Not just limited to punching, but occurs when I roll too. It didn’t occur in the past in anyway I’ve noticed. I don’t quite want to believe it’s my controller’s fault, since my analog seems to function well in other games, but it’s *really* annoying the hell out of me.
It's the entire collection. I also experienced rolling in a different direction at random, so it's not your controller's fault. What emulator are you using just out of curiosity?
I tried switching to 576p on my PAL PS3 to see what it would look like. It's worth noting that this also changes the refresh rate to 50hz. 50fps is fine but together with the lower resolution, I'm not sure it's worth the trade off. I wish there was an in-game option that didn't affect anything else but the aspect ratio.
Use an mclassic and switch it to it's 4:3 mode. You'll get to keep 720p, 60fps and it'll even upscale to 1080p or 1440p(if you have a TV or monitor that supports that resolution).
Cool vid man! I'm actually very interested in these type of comparisons. I heard some people mention input lag for PS3 but it's not something I can compare as I haven't played PS2 for years and PS3 is primary version for me so feels somewhat normal. And perhaps related; I've heard some people mention that PS3 controls don't have as smooth analogue? I don't think this is the same directional issue you mentioned on PS4 perhaps it's more the smoothness of the physical controller itself? - Makes me curious to dust off the PS2 to test those versions. XD Also when playing in debug mode on PS3 I have noticed that overall draw distance might be less ie. the horizon acts as a sort of draw line and undraws (or hides) map/objects that cross through it. It's kind of hard to describe as there seems to be an observational vertices between your point of view, the sky and the horizon that 'clouds' things in the distance at a shorter range, despite this overall the texture detail draw distance in general does seem higher on PS3.
One of my weaker areas, but from the specific comparisons I've done in person, I indeed notice the draw distance itself wasn't actually improved, but just the detail. Do you agree? In general, the PS3C needed a far more deserving comparison than what we have. There are so many misconceptions (heh) and the HD Collection is often praised as the second coming of jesus when it has incompetent issues, overlooked, that a remaster should not have: many graphical glitches (not even Precursor metallic surfaces and particle effects, but things like Kor's black face, Light Jak's yellow hair, Light Jak's completely blue colored eyes in the cutscene, blurry/pixelated eye textures, and weak, if even existent, AA).
Sid B The Lost Frontier isn't a good jak and daxter game. I play the vita version the most and it's portable, but it has a ton of bugs, glitches, and frame rate issues that keep it from being the best.
yea everyone like my self prefer the ps3 port over the ps4 and mostly go on pcsx2 too play the ps2 ports too emulate and record on our pc easy of use .
i didn't run into any masssive frame drops on the ps4 version. but it does not look as good as the ps3 version. the reason being, the ps4 version is more of a port then it is a remaster. while everything got a HD overhall in the ps3 version the ps4 version more so just upscaled it
Oh yeah, the PS4 release is definitely not a Remaster. Everything besides the Resolution looks a lot better on PS3 in my opinion, including the framerate.
I have all versions, and the PS4 versions WOEFULLY NEED patches. The transition from PS2 to PS3 reused assets of the originals, but basically reprogrammed the game from the ground up to run on that weird architecture. The PS4 versions are more true to the originals, BUT.......PS2 games work on the PS4 through emulation, so the reason they're more true to the original is because they literally are the originals in ROM form. While I understand the PS2 is pretty intense to emulate, if they're going to sell me a game I already own they should at least make sure it runs as well as the original. The fact the PS2 emulator on the PS4 works at all is an impressive feat, but there are some glaring bugs in the Jak games. Besides the frame rate issue, the entire Precursor Mountain Temple area of Jak 2 is broken; Precursor textures constantly flicker and fail to interact with lighting correctly, and I've encountered random freezes and crashes when fighting the large metalheads that come crashing out of the hillsides. The directional control issues are likely a similar issue, bad implementation of controller translation to the PS2 emulator. The games themselves on the PS4 may not directly need patches, but the PS2 emulation itself may need some more work. As impressive as it is, if I'm going to pay Sony for to use it I'm not going to be as forgiving as I would be with an online console emulator project.
Boomer cuz I remembered that in one Jak 2 stream in the sig escort Mission something like that randomly appeared on the top of the screen, but for the live of me I don't remember the name of that streamer tho
The reason why the PS4 versio sucks is cause it's the PS2 version poorly emulated like all the PS2 games on the PS4, they just increased the internal resolution and that's all. This is the main reason why i didn't buy this version, if they just ported the PS3 HD collection with improved res, i'd would be an instant buy for me, if just for the trophies, and a reason to replay theses classics.
Dark Cloud 1 and 2 and Rouge Galaxy were a good ports but the thing I didn't understand is that even those aged games some of them got a day one patch! it seems game tester aren't doing their jobs like they used to be.
@@gracekim25 Money, I'd probably cost more have to natively port the HD classic trilogy than just to slap the ps2 version onto a bad ps2 emulator they had since the ps3 era.
I would love to see it, but I doubt it will happen in the near future. It's really hard to predict this stuff and I'm just a normal guy like everyone else.
I have to say: i have a ps2 and a ps4 (i missed the ps3 D= ) and, comparing the games, the best are still the ones on their 1st versions! I think so because of the controls, the camera view and also because of nostalgia! I mean: try play a game like Jak 2/3 on an original ps2, with wired controllers and an awful tv! It will be orribile nowadays, but every time i turn on my dear ps2 i remember all the days i've lost to get the 101th battery, the Jak 2's mssion in the sewers (aaargh) and all of those things that on a ps4 are missing! Boomer, what do you think about this factor?
PS4 version is garbage. It's basically ISO image files of the PS2 discs being emulated by a shitty emulator built inside the PS4. 1st game was playable. 2-3 are nearly unplayable with the constant fps drops which cause slow motion. Waste of money... and Jak X is a whole new level of nightmare on PS4. If you don't plan on speed running and playing normally, PS3 is the best of them all.
You don't have to, but it's considered to be the best/most fun to play on. For TPL, I really recommend the PS2 or PS4 version, since they (can) have Citadel Skip.
BoomerStreams I have a backwards compatible PS3(so it plays ps2 over hdmi) so I was trying to decide between the ps3 and ps2 version. Ps2 would be more expensive but not by much.
I'm gonna tell you right now why Jak snaps into 8 directions on PS4, it's because the PS4 controller and all modern controllers are garbage and their support for 360 degree movement is trash, there's this nasty stepped interpolation garbage going on with modern controllers these days.
Component? You've got my attention! 👀 I too am using component cables and I was thinking about buying an OSSC, which is one of the best consumer analog to digital converters out there... But it's 230€ including shipping. 😭
@@BoomerStreams Yeah stupid price....But my Hdmi Converter for 150$ it's fine! good quality for 480p and 480i looks fine.But LCD not for Ps2 games, CRT excellet for best gaming:/
It's annoying how you pronounce words with the letter O with an A like an American. Please purge this pronunciation. It's bad enough that Americans sound American!
@@BoomerStreams Now that you replied I feel like a bit of a dick, but oh well, it probably helps your channel ever so slightly, algorithmically speaking. :P You said 'optimal' like 'ahptimal', 'console' like 'cahnsole'. You don't do it all the time, but you do it more often than not.
@@NovaPrima You're right, a comment never hurts the channel, even if it's a negative one. 😅 I appreciate the feedback! English not being my primary language, I'm not always consistent in how I pronounce things. I'll work on it though, so thank you!
Yeah even the 8-way snapping thing is a deal breaker for me, let alone things like the punch glitch and other strange anomalies... This really does effect immersion for me, I always loved how great Jak felt to move around on the PS2 when I was younger. I can't understand why these problems would arise considering how simple the games are. PS2 version by far.
Hey, That was a great comparison! In my opinion PS2 is the best from all of them, it has all the effects and the frame-rate is very stable. PS3 the best in graphics quality, but some effects are missing like the shiny metallic surfaces. It is a shame that they didn't fixed the punch glitch, it is annoying!
DonkeyPlanet ive been playing Jak 1-3 on my PS3 for years but was never effected by the punch glitch an I just lucky? Bec I didn't know about it till this videos
DonkeyPlanet totally agree. Also, the music in Haven City, and the Barron’s plaice/mars tomb in Jak 2 is glitched, and the graphical errors like the Day star in Jak 3 not being in the sky.
why I play Jak on PS4 ? my PS2 is 14 years old and I have no memory card to save. my PS3 died and it can not be fixed, now I have a PS4 pro and that's the only way I can play Jak...
I like the PS3 version of the Jak and Daxter trilogy the best. The graphics and audio are nice and clean. The controls are fluid and easy. Plus I love how it's remastered in HD. Really feels like you're playing a Jak and Daxter adventure game. Then again, I don't really notice any difference with the Jak And Daxter games on PS2 and PS3. They seem the same.
There is a noticable amount of input lag on PS3 compared to PS2... And that's not even accounting for Punch Glitch in terms of "feel" for the game, as that can also influence how you play the game. Graphics wise, I do prefer the PS3 version as well.
@@BoomerStreams You're right about the lag. I've noticed that now whenever I do vehicle missions. But other than that everything is great. I really like how shiny the graphics are.
The lag spikes happened to me when I played it on the ps2 and the ps3 I think it only happens when your destroying a lot of cars while you got trapped under one. That, from my recollection, was the only time it happened on the classic console versions
A nice video to wake up early to, for sure. I'd like to say, maybe tone down the hyper editing a bit ;) Especially when talking about the tech stuff, like at 3:33 for example. It can get quite confusing when different numbers are thrown at you one a time and the image changes with them, instead of them being organised neatly under whatever thing they belong under; like PS3 tech numbers (all of them) show below a PS3 pic, and so on... Or they pop up once you mention them but stay there for a while for us to get the full picture. But all in all informative as always! :D
I think the reason why movement is so snappy in ps4 emulation because ps2 and ps3 controller use cross deadzone while ps4 controller uses circle, if you have ever tried to play ps3 version with DS4 controller, (or any game with movement to all directions) you would notice that the player cant move full speed when moving diagonally, this is because the games were built for cross deadzone. So i guess in PS4 jak games and other ps2 emu games they used hacky methods to increase the sensivity to reach full movement in these games.
I agree with u. I made the mistake of buying jak 2 on ps4 for $15 freaking dollars and it is almost unplayable. I think ill get the game on my ps3 instead
I have the Plat trophy 3 times for the first game (my fav of the series). I don't remmeber how many times I finished it on PS2 but I have played though the game loads of times and it's always a blast.
I'm surprised so many people are in favor of the PS3 remaster. It has visual glitches such as the missing green sun in the sky and Jak's hair is screwed up when using Light Jak in Jak 3. I mean, I still played it and liked it, but it honestly still ticks me off that they cut those corners, since the green sun gave the world a more unique artistic look and Light Jak now looks off.
And kor's face being blacked out in the construction site before he reveals himself as well as the controls being swapped out in the whack-a-metal head game in a way that makes it a giant pain in the ass to finish(it happened only once, but I was still annoyed). And there's a side mission after you meet Kiera at the stadium(you compete the jet board challenge during this time) where you have to collect eco beams(right next to the stadium). If you complete that mission as soon as it appears, the game freezes up for whatever reason. Complete it later in the game, and you won't have this issue. Ps2 version doesn't have any of the issues I've listed above.
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 Kor's glitched up face was something that definitely slipped my mind, but I didn't know about that crashing issue you mentioned. That's something worth noting. Personally, I wouldn't be so disappointed if they released a patch fixing these minor issues, but seeing as they kicked it out the door without a care in the world shows how little they cared about making an authentic port. They settled with "good enough" and just moved onto their next project. I know these issues don't completely destroy the experience, but it's still disappointing to see such fixable issues get in the way of making it the definitive way to experience the trilogy.
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 I thought it over for a bit, with it coming down between The Precursor Legacy and Jak 2, and I personally settled on the latter. I think all of the entries in the Jak trilogy were phenomenal from a technical standpoint, but I feel that Jak 2 offered something more revolutionary compared to The Precursor Legacy, and that Jak 3 was an expansion of Jak 2’s foundation and didn’t offer as big of a leap as it was between the first and second titles. Specifically, The Precursor Legacy took heavy inspiration from Super Mario 64’s formula and expanded it to include an open world with virtually no loading screens or breaks between gameplay, a day/night cycle, a deeper narrative compared to SM64’s, and vehicular gameplay. It certainly was a step above what SM64 offered, but I don’t expect The Precursor Legacy drawing in anyone else but the people who liked SM64. As for Jak 2, Naughty Dog wasn’t shy about revealing their inspirations from the GTA series when choosing this new direction for the series. When I was younger, my parents never let me play any games that were rated “M for Mature” like the GTA series. I think with Jak 2, it was revolutionary in the sense that they struck a perfect balance between making a GTA experience that was appealing to teens while still preserving elements from The Precursor Legacy so that the spirit of the first title was still present. In this case, they reached a new demographic that the series they took inspiration from couldn’t reach, and it gave the younger me a GTA experience I always wanted to experience (since I was forbidden from playing any of the GTA series) without any of the profanity or explicit content the GTA series is known for having. I’m sure there are many other GTA clones out there like The Simpsons Hit and Run that don’t have an M for Mature rating, but I think Jak 2 offered an experience that was as close as possible to having a GTA title rated T for Teens. I feel even Rockstar’s Bully for the PS2 wasn’t a GTA for teens, because Jak 2 offered players the ability to hijack the vehicles in the city without restriction, Jak used a gun that could kill people and creatures, etc.
old thread but i put my 2 penny... ps2 was designed for analogue - rgb the best video out. if you hook it to any modern HDMI TV - you need very good converter. you will also have some lag from your TV and converter. I have OSCC which brilliant but... PS3 gives you HDMI output for PS2 games and if it's backwards comparable with PS2 - you can try both PS2 and PS3 version without emulation like PS4! PS3 version will win! even Ps4 pro will have some frame drops! Honestly! PS VITA is completely different animal. YOU PLAY on the GO!. yes - the frame rate id far from perfect - but if spend most of your time in the airports, hotels - that gives your the best experience to play your games and pick up your saves from PS3..... So even if Vita is not slow - do you really wanna get your PS3 on the run?
Component looks good 👍 on the ps2.
2 words....Steam Deck
The PS3 HD collection was made with a lot of love and dedication which is why it’s superior in visuals compare to the PS4 release.
Tho nothing will beat the classic PS2 originals lol Everyone’s first gaming experience with Jak and Daxter.xD
@@destinyawaitsx3 um no
I'm buying the series on PS2. I don't want your silly remasters with bugs.
@@CaveyMoth I agree.
@@CaveyMoth The PS3 version does have bugs, but atleast it is better than the PS4 versions despite those minor flaws.
I must say that I just loved playing the games in 3D on ps3! The 720p limit is bummer, but the graphics are just gorgeous. I wish they had released that version for the ps4 in addition to the upscaled original.
The PS3 HD collections are a full port of the games onto the system, whereas the PS4 versions are just the PS2 games being emulated. The limited directional inputs and the choppy performance are emulation errors due to the quick and dirty nature of the release. You can invert the camera on the PS4 versions but the option is hidden behind a button combination that I don't remember off-hand you'd have to Google it, this is because it's still just the PS2 rom so they couldn't alter the options menu to include the feature properly. Shame they didn't tell anyone, I was half way through the first one before I looked it up.
I consider the PS3 ones to be my favourites over the PS2 because of the solid performance and the trophy support, despite some of the oddities that show up like the punch glitch and the general 'feel' being veeeeery slightly off. It's a shame they botched the PS4 ones.
I never ran into a punch glitch
"Quick and dirty nature"... By that are you implying it's more a rushed schedule thing than faulty emulation system??
Love it that there someone out here that still cares keep it up
The Quality of the videos are getting better and better every single time 😎
Hey dude! You literally popped up in my feed and I saw 400 views and I was like hmm gotta help him out... boom... killer content! Love the run down/ commentary channels!
So glad someone made a video about this, and why not Boomer of all people?
I'm glad to see it wasn't just me hallucinating with the snappy controls and misremembering with the poor frame spikes. I just wish they could optimize the PS4 versions better... but oh well. Guess I'll go back to playing Jak II and 3 on PS3.
Will you compare PS2 and PS4 Jak X? I'm curious to how those stack up against eachother.
I love your Jak content man, it's good to see someone with few subscribers make quality content on this amazing franchise. You'll get your recognition eventually.
Nicholas Garcia debateable ;)
Quality content man. I'd choose the ps3 version because of how smooth frame rate is and how good it looks. Ps2 would be my second option because runs well and I haven't notice frame rate issues. Ps4 is worse for me as lag and limited movement
Dolan Black Thanks, I appreciate it! That would be my prefered order as well.
Jak and daxter is a good game I like the game
Well, this video nicely settles my opinion; PS2 is the best. For me, authenticity is what I care for. I grew up playing the original PS2 versions and every minor graphic bug in newer versions makes me lose interest. If I get a new TV however, I'll likely change my mind.
Wow I didn’t know you can get the original 4:3 aspect ratio if you set your PS3 in 480P with 4:3.
Would you ever consider making a video of all the locations in which the punch glitch happens? I've platinumed Jak 1 on the collection and never witnessed this glitch in that game and I haven't touched Jak 2 & 3 at all to be able to comment on those. Thank you for the informative videos!
Thanks for the video, i do have one thing to add it's the lighting, effects and texturing you mentioned how it looked in the distance but not up close In comparing PS3 and PS4 Jak 1 I noticed clearer detail on Jak's clothing and Daxters fur texture, I believe there's also effects missing from the PS3 release which I think I can confirm unless the PS4 version removed them but I can't say for Jak 2 + 3.
I heard various lighting effects like more shiny reflections on certain 'metallic' surfaces but that's not something I've compared. I can confirm that the 'stars' (sun, night star and daystar from Jak 3) are just static sprites in PS3 where as in PS4 they're full on particle effects. Some of these may have been based on PS2 hardware rendering and so when porting, alternative methods to re-create the effects were necessary and optimisation to remove frame drops was deliberately considered on PS3 (and obvious meticulously considered on PS2). I feel like PS4 would perform better in terms of frame rate if eg. stuff like those star particles weren't constantly active.
False confirmation. The Day Star, Day Sun, Night Sun are completely absent from the PS3C. The stars in TPL are non-existent to greatly absent in PS3C.
RodniDemental the ps4 version is just the ps2 version but badly emulated, it will always have issues unfortunately since it wasn't a true port
ps4 "version" is just emulated ps2 iso, with increase internal resolution, that slowdowns are emulator related, just like in pcsx2 and this is why it has that citadel skip.
Oh, I'm aware. Thanks for sharing though!
I bought PS4 a few days ago just to play Jak and Daxter lol Jak 1 is running great Jak 2 has scratchy sounds in the audio at times unfortunately. But overall it's acceptable for what it is
I’m kinda a Jak purest, and honestly, graphics aside, the PS3 versions have too many graphical and sound issues. I hope they fix the frame rate issues for the PS4 versions
The HD Collection certainly has some sound issues, there's is no denying that but I don't know of any graphical issues on PS3.
I’m still baffled the PS4 version is a straight port of the PS2 version with tweaks. Why not use the PS3 version???
Yeah 😅
After over a year of no patches, can’t help but feel a little ripped off, game could really be good, and they could 100% fix this in patches if they really cared, kinda sucks.
Jake Blundell damn still not worth it ?
vindictx sorry for late reply, but I would say if you have no other Jaks to play, than go for it on PS4 but if you have a PS3 or PS2 you shouldn’t bother
I got JAK 2 on PS4, but it's blurry AF & frame rate is bad. It seems like just a port. I guess it's better on PS3.
Old vid I know but you should have also talked out the dreaded vita collection
I know very little about it unfortunately and I don't have any first hand experience. I simply didn't feel comfortable covering it.
Speaking of the PS2 to HDMI adapter, most TV's and monitors don't even support 480i through HDMI(Most games and the console stick around that resolution). That's just something I thought of throwing in there.
Good point, thanks for mentioning it!
It’s so sad they play different and run worse with every release 😂 I was wonder if it ran better on ps2 and it’s does thanks.
Yeah, to this day playing jak 2 on ps4 is hard with those frame rates definitely stick with the ps3 hd collection looks and runs better.
"you forgot about the vita" Yes, I did, and I expect everyone else to do likewise.
Jak and Daxter Remake for PS5 would be awesome!
Did they ever release a patch? How is the framerate on PS5?
no and they are still just alright on ps5. i played through all of them on ps4 and didnt encounter bugs. however the ps3 really looks better
I actually purchased the Vita version and I'm pretty sure I would have had more fun throwing that money into a garbage disposal than I had playing it.
I'm sorry to hear! 🤣👌
Today still the ps vita version has terrible framerate? Because i have the ps vita and i dont know if is worth to buy...
sebastianali hack your vita with tech James vids and put lolicon which is is vsh menu with super overclock on your vita and gfx graphics and you can adjust your FPS limit and res on there and makes it pretty good
You can play them on ps3 at 1080p60 deactivating 720p and 1080i resolutions on ps3 settings
Just found out a glitch on the ps4. Don’t skip mission cutscenes that crashes the game
What? I was JUST about to buy the collection. I was so fucking excited, gonna stream for friends. Does that snapping into predetermined directions thing really happen?
Edit: someone please tell me that doesn't happen I want to cry :(
It actually doesn't happen all too often. The PS3 version is the only way I can play all the games back to back and I only ever really had it happen once or twice my whole play session on Jak 2.
Do you get the punch glitch only in Jak II or the entire HD Collection? I run the games on emulator, and I’ve recently been getting the punch glitch frequently on all games. Not just limited to punching, but occurs when I roll too. It didn’t occur in the past in anyway I’ve noticed.
I don’t quite want to believe it’s my controller’s fault, since my analog seems to function well in other games, but it’s *really* annoying the hell out of me.
It's the entire collection. I also experienced rolling in a different direction at random, so it's not your controller's fault. What emulator are you using just out of curiosity?
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 I use PCSX2. I fixed the issue by resetting the emulator's settings.
I tried switching to 576p on my PAL PS3 to see what it would look like. It's worth noting that this also changes the refresh rate to 50hz. 50fps is fine but together with the lower resolution, I'm not sure it's worth the trade off. I wish there was an in-game option that didn't affect anything else but the aspect ratio.
For Speedruns, it's worth it to me. Playing casually though? I'm sure I too would prefer 720p.
Use an mclassic and switch it to it's 4:3 mode. You'll get to keep 720p, 60fps and it'll even upscale to 1080p or 1440p(if you have a TV or monitor that supports that resolution).
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900mclassic?
Cool vid man! I'm actually very interested in these type of comparisons.
I heard some people mention input lag for PS3 but it's not something I can compare as I haven't played PS2 for years and PS3 is primary version for me so feels somewhat normal. And perhaps related; I've heard some people mention that PS3 controls don't have as smooth analogue? I don't think this is the same directional issue you mentioned on PS4 perhaps it's more the smoothness of the physical controller itself? - Makes me curious to dust off the PS2 to test those versions. XD
Also when playing in debug mode on PS3 I have noticed that overall draw distance might be less ie. the horizon acts as a sort of draw line and undraws (or hides) map/objects that cross through it. It's kind of hard to describe as there seems to be an observational vertices between your point of view, the sky and the horizon that 'clouds' things in the distance at a shorter range, despite this overall the texture detail draw distance in general does seem higher on PS3.
One of my weaker areas, but from the specific comparisons I've done in person, I indeed notice the draw distance itself wasn't actually improved, but just the detail. Do you agree?
In general, the PS3C needed a far more deserving comparison than what we have. There are so many misconceptions (heh) and the HD Collection is often praised as the second coming of jesus when it has incompetent issues, overlooked, that a remaster should not have: many graphical glitches (not even Precursor metallic surfaces and particle effects, but things like Kor's black face, Light Jak's yellow hair, Light Jak's completely blue colored eyes in the cutscene, blurry/pixelated eye textures, and weak, if even existent, AA).
How do you control the throttle of a vehicle in Jak2 in the newer releases? Is it mapped to the triggers?
You don't press X too hard and you can break using square.
I think vita is the best
K1llerB333 Are you serious? Do you mind if I hear your reasons?
Vita version is defo best + you can run The Lost Frontier on Vita too, win win.
Sid B The Lost Frontier isn't a good jak and daxter game. I play the vita version the most and it's portable, but it has a ton of bugs, glitches, and frame rate issues that keep it from being the best.
Lol
I consider the frame rate drops a feature that the other versions don't have.
I like ps3 best.
Why don’t we take the lag and push it somewhere else
Very insightful
And YES. you have the option of toggling 4:3 and 16:9 on the ps4
yea everyone like my self prefer the ps3 port over the ps4 and mostly go on pcsx2 too play the ps2 ports too emulate and record on our pc easy of use .
It’s funny how I’ve never played the game before but I could immediately tell the PS4 one is the PS2 version 😂
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i didn't run into any masssive frame drops on the ps4 version. but it does not look as good as the ps3 version. the reason being, the ps4 version is more of a port then it is a remaster. while everything got a HD overhall in the ps3 version the ps4 version more so just upscaled it
Oh yeah, the PS4 release is definitely not a Remaster. Everything besides the Resolution looks a lot better on PS3 in my opinion, including the framerate.
For the best experience play these on PCSX2 👌🔥🔥
Whine and cheese continue to be very popular among the masses.
I've been playing the jak collection on ps3 lately and I have not notice any punch glitch? Has it been parched??
Nope, still there.
I bought the game from PSN store not on disc ! Did I make a mistake ? It’s the disc version better than the PSN store or their same quality?
They're the same to my knowledge.
What do you think about PS3 emulation? That's also an option to play Jak and daxter.
I haven't tested it myself but I heard it's alright.
I have all versions, and the PS4 versions WOEFULLY NEED patches. The transition from PS2 to PS3 reused assets of the originals, but basically reprogrammed the game from the ground up to run on that weird architecture. The PS4 versions are more true to the originals, BUT.......PS2 games work on the PS4 through emulation, so the reason they're more true to the original is because they literally are the originals in ROM form. While I understand the PS2 is pretty intense to emulate, if they're going to sell me a game I already own they should at least make sure it runs as well as the original. The fact the PS2 emulator on the PS4 works at all is an impressive feat, but there are some glaring bugs in the Jak games. Besides the frame rate issue, the entire Precursor Mountain Temple area of Jak 2 is broken; Precursor textures constantly flicker and fail to interact with lighting correctly, and I've encountered random freezes and crashes when fighting the large metalheads that come crashing out of the hillsides. The directional control issues are likely a similar issue, bad implementation of controller translation to the PS2 emulator. The games themselves on the PS4 may not directly need patches, but the PS2 emulation itself may need some more work. As impressive as it is, if I'm going to pay Sony for to use it I'm not going to be as forgiving as I would be with an online console emulator project.
0:53 It is..beautiful.
That's a render/encoding artifact I didn't catch before uploading.
@@BoomerStreams I hate it when that happens, haha. Sorry to be patronizing. I was just kidding around.
@@CaveyMoth All good, I think you're the first one to notice and point it out. 🤭
You just needed to hook up the ps2 with component..and a higher resolution was possible in this game and a select others
480p is the maximum the Jak titles run at on PS2.
@@BoomerStreams The precursor legacy is 480i only. The rest do support 480p though.
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 That is correct. I wanted to point out that they don't run any higher than 480p in my previous comment.
0:48 top left corner : you were using debug mode right?
Matteo Canova Indeed, I was!
Boomer cuz I remembered that in one Jak 2 stream in the sig escort Mission something like that randomly appeared on the top of the screen, but for the live of me I don't remember the name of that streamer tho
PS2 for me because it's the original and I don't like the graphic changes in the other console versions even if the quality is better.
A lot of people feel the same way and I personally don't see anything wrong with it either.
The reason why the PS4 versio sucks is cause it's the PS2 version poorly emulated like all the PS2 games on the PS4, they just increased the internal resolution and that's all.
This is the main reason why i didn't buy this version, if they just ported the PS3 HD collection with improved res, i'd would be an instant buy for me, if just for the trophies, and a reason to replay theses classics.
Dark Cloud 1 and 2 and Rouge Galaxy were a good ports but the thing I didn't understand is that even those aged games some of them got a day one patch!
it seems game tester aren't doing their jobs like they used to be.
Why didn’t they do that?😅
@@gracekim25 Money, I'd probably cost more have to natively port the HD classic trilogy than just to slap the ps2 version onto a bad ps2 emulator they had since the ps3 era.
Hopefully they patch the ps4 version. Thanks for the video.
Well jak 1 runs fine on ps4 I got that platinum easy but the amount of missed roll jumps heh
PS3 Jak was a port to the hardware.....PS4 is using software emulation....
Why do you think they never did a real remaster like they did with halo 1 and 2
I would love to see it, but I doubt it will happen in the near future. It's really hard to predict this stuff and I'm just a normal guy like everyone else.
Do you believe for new patches?
Very informative. Thanks.
Any one notice the guy stuck at 6:44
Oh yeah, just noticed that. Never looked at it this specifically!
I have to say: i have a ps2 and a ps4 (i missed the ps3 D= ) and, comparing the games, the best are still the ones on their 1st versions! I think so because of the controls, the camera view and also because of nostalgia! I mean: try play a game like Jak 2/3 on an original ps2, with wired controllers and an awful tv! It will be orribile nowadays, but every time i turn on my dear ps2 i remember all the days i've lost to get the 101th battery, the Jak 2's mssion in the sewers (aaargh) and all of those things that on a ps4 are missing! Boomer, what do you think about this factor?
you are my hero :")
PS4 version is garbage.
It's basically ISO image files of the PS2 discs being emulated by a shitty emulator built inside the PS4.
1st game was playable.
2-3 are nearly unplayable with the constant fps drops which cause slow motion.
Waste of money... and Jak X is a whole new level of nightmare on PS4.
If you don't plan on speed running and playing normally, PS3 is the best of them all.
So I guess I need to buy a ps2....dang it. I wanna speed run these.
You don't have to, but it's considered to be the best/most fun to play on. For TPL, I really recommend the PS2 or PS4 version, since they (can) have Citadel Skip.
Well then I guess I can at least practice on my ps4.
*WHISTLE CONCERT*
_PS2s are dirt cheap now._
Right, except when you have no money. lol
Cómo quisiera que esto estuviera traducido en español :'(
Does punch glitch happen in Jak 2 and 3?
Sadly, yes!
BoomerStreams as someone who has never played the series is the glitch enough for someone to seek out the ps2 versions?
For gameplay purists? Yes. For you specificly? I don't know. I found the input delay to be a bigger problem than punch glitch itself.
BoomerStreams I have a backwards compatible PS3(so it plays ps2 over hdmi) so I was trying to decide between the ps3 and ps2 version. Ps2 would be more expensive but not by much.
To my knowledge, you shouldn't experience either with a backwards compatible PS3.
Can you play on xBox
wtf how is it even possible to game from ps2 lags on ps4 ???!
The ps3 version runs at 640p but for me it's still the best version
Then put in a hdmi cable in your ps3 then you get good resolution
Fr for this game on ps4 is hot trasssssshhhhh
ps2 emulator is best as it can upscale to 4k and beyond
I'm gonna tell you right now why Jak snaps into 8 directions on PS4, it's because the PS4 controller and all modern controllers are garbage and their support for 360 degree movement is trash, there's this nasty stepped interpolation garbage going on with modern controllers these days.
Ps3 version is way better ps4 version was buggy and laggy and glitchy as fuck
PS2 and PS3 is way better then Vita
I prefer my Vita version.
Thanks Milo. Big fan, by the way!
What what Bebe
Ps2
Back to the roots! ❤️
@@BoomerStreams Still play trilogy on my PS2 Fat 500gb , TV 32" Hdmi Converter + Component Cable ;3
Component? You've got my attention! 👀
I too am using component cables and I was thinking about buying an OSSC, which is one of the best consumer analog to digital converters out there... But it's 230€ including shipping. 😭
@@BoomerStreams Yeah stupid price....But my Hdmi Converter for 150$ it's fine! good quality for 480p and 480i looks fine.But LCD not for Ps2 games, CRT excellet for best gaming:/
Sadly, there is a bunch of input delay on old LCD screens...
Dude, you’re cute af
If you think PS4 version is almost unplayable then try the PS Vita one 🤣
Best version is the PC version
Garry Combine Welp, if you ignore the black eyes and Jak edgy in Jak 3 (he becomes a thing with black hair and bugued clothes) then yes
Ya you can just get the rpcsx3 emulator and play jak and daxter hd in 4k on your high end gaming pc
Disliked unsubbed. Ps2 is obviously the only one to run on, its the OG version and that makes it better.
Raosal yep
It's annoying how you pronounce words with the letter O with an A like an American. Please purge this pronunciation. It's bad enough that Americans sound American!
Can you give an example?
@@BoomerStreams Now that you replied I feel like a bit of a dick, but oh well, it probably helps your channel ever so slightly, algorithmically speaking. :P You said 'optimal' like 'ahptimal', 'console' like 'cahnsole'. You don't do it all the time, but you do it more often than not.
@@NovaPrima You're right, a comment never hurts the channel, even if it's a negative one. 😅 I appreciate the feedback! English not being my primary language, I'm not always consistent in how I pronounce things. I'll work on it though, so thank you!
@@BoomerStreams every single one of your comments is so damn wholesome. i wonder if you even have epic gamer rage.
@@lulprumpt4696 I do rage, I just don't always show it. 😅
Hey, a game that looks better on PS3 than on PS4
Yeah even the 8-way snapping thing is a deal breaker for me, let alone things like the punch glitch and other strange anomalies... This really does effect immersion for me, I always loved how great Jak felt to move around on the PS2 when I was younger. I can't understand why these problems would arise considering how simple the games are.
PS2 version by far.
It really makes the analog stick feel more like a d-pad, which is terrible.
Hey,
That was a great comparison!
In my opinion PS2 is the best from all of them, it has all the effects and the frame-rate is very stable.
PS3 the best in graphics quality, but some effects are missing like the shiny metallic surfaces. It is a shame that they didn't fixed the punch glitch, it is annoying!
DonkeyPlanet ive been playing Jak 1-3 on my PS3 for years but was never effected by the punch glitch an I just lucky? Bec I didn't know about it till this videos
DonkeyPlanet totally agree. Also, the music in Haven City, and the Barron’s plaice/mars tomb in Jak 2 is glitched, and the graphical errors like the Day star in Jak 3 not being in the sky.
why I play Jak on PS4 ?
my PS2 is 14 years old and I have no memory card to save.
my PS3 died and it can not be fixed, now I have a PS4 pro and that's the only way I can play Jak...
Gabo Cejitas A new Memeory Card be aquired for less than $5 these days.
Gabo Cejitas sounds like u need eBay or Amazon for ur ps2 problems
I imported a PS2 from America for less than £30
That's not a terrible price!
It's my main PS2 now, I put a 1Tb HDD in it and use component cables with a Framemeister on my 4K Sony Bravia
I like the PS3 version of the Jak and Daxter trilogy the best. The graphics and audio are nice and clean. The controls are fluid and easy. Plus I love how it's remastered in HD. Really feels like you're playing a Jak and Daxter adventure game. Then again, I don't really notice any difference with the Jak And Daxter games on PS2 and PS3. They seem the same.
There is a noticable amount of input lag on PS3 compared to PS2... And that's not even accounting for Punch Glitch in terms of "feel" for the game, as that can also influence how you play the game. Graphics wise, I do prefer the PS3 version as well.
@@BoomerStreams
You're right about the lag. I've noticed that now whenever I do vehicle missions. But other than that everything is great. I really like how shiny the graphics are.
The lag spikes happened to me when I played it on the ps2 and the ps3 I think it only happens when your destroying a lot of cars while you got trapped under one. That, from my recollection, was the only time it happened on the classic console versions
I was trying to decide whether to buy this on PS3 or PS4..PS3 it is. Never played jak and daxter games before but now I'm excited.
A nice video to wake up early to, for sure. I'd like to say, maybe tone down the hyper editing a bit ;) Especially when talking about the tech stuff, like at 3:33 for example. It can get quite confusing when different numbers are thrown at you one a time and the image changes with them, instead of them being organised neatly under whatever thing they belong under; like PS3 tech numbers (all of them) show below a PS3 pic, and so on... Or they pop up once you mention them but stay there for a while for us to get the full picture. But all in all informative as always! :D
Susdogewolf I see what you mean. I will try to improve on that next time!
Thanks Kai!
I think the reason why movement is so snappy in ps4 emulation because ps2 and ps3 controller use cross deadzone while ps4 controller uses circle, if you have ever tried to play ps3 version with DS4 controller, (or any game with movement to all directions) you would notice that the player cant move full speed when moving diagonally, this is because the games were built for cross deadzone. So i guess in PS4 jak games and other ps2 emu games they used hacky methods to increase the sensivity to reach full movement in these games.
Very insightful. That’s the last time I use a ps4 controller for Jak haha
So how does it run on the Ps5 then, Ps3 Vs Ps5 who wins?
I agree with u. I made the mistake of buying jak 2 on ps4 for $15 freaking dollars and it is almost unplayable. I think ill get the game on my ps3 instead
Jonatan Perez Dang. I literally just bought it on PS4. Should have done research prior.
Do you have a PS4 or a PS4 Pro?
Boomer Original PS4
Oh, my apologies, I answered without a thought but you may have been speaking to the original commenter
Boomer original ps4
Thanks boomer I was thinking about buying them on ps4 so I can capture them easily but I guess I'll just have to wait.
Wow that 8-directional snapping is gross. Shit like that DESTROYS the gamefeel for me.
I have the Plat trophy 3 times for the first game (my fav of the series). I don't remmeber how many times I finished it on PS2 but I have played though the game loads of times and it's always a blast.
I'm surprised so many people are in favor of the PS3 remaster. It has visual glitches such as the missing green sun in the sky and Jak's hair is screwed up when using Light Jak in Jak 3.
I mean, I still played it and liked it, but it honestly still ticks me off that they cut those corners, since the green sun gave the world a more unique artistic look and Light Jak now looks off.
And kor's face being blacked out in the construction site before he reveals himself as well as the controls being swapped out in the whack-a-metal head game in a way that makes it a giant pain in the ass to finish(it happened only once, but I was still annoyed). And there's a side mission after you meet Kiera at the stadium(you compete the jet board challenge during this time) where you have to collect eco beams(right next to the stadium). If you complete that mission as soon as it appears, the game freezes up for whatever reason. Complete it later in the game, and you won't have this issue. Ps2 version doesn't have any of the issues I've listed above.
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900
Kor's glitched up face was something that definitely slipped my mind, but I didn't know about that crashing issue you mentioned. That's something worth noting.
Personally, I wouldn't be so disappointed if they released a patch fixing these minor issues, but seeing as they kicked it out the door without a care in the world shows how little they cared about making an authentic port. They settled with "good enough" and just moved onto their next project. I know these issues don't completely destroy the experience, but it's still disappointing to see such fixable issues get in the way of making it the definitive way to experience the trilogy.
@@UndertakerU2ber What's your favorite Jak game in the series? Just curious.
@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900
I thought it over for a bit, with it coming down between The Precursor Legacy and Jak 2, and I personally settled on the latter.
I think all of the entries in the Jak trilogy were phenomenal from a technical standpoint, but I feel that Jak 2 offered something more revolutionary compared to The Precursor Legacy, and that Jak 3 was an expansion of Jak 2’s foundation and didn’t offer as big of a leap as it was between the first and second titles.
Specifically, The Precursor Legacy took heavy inspiration from Super Mario 64’s formula and expanded it to include an open world with virtually no loading screens or breaks between gameplay, a day/night cycle, a deeper narrative compared to SM64’s, and vehicular gameplay. It certainly was a step above what SM64 offered, but I don’t expect The Precursor Legacy drawing in anyone else but the people who liked SM64.
As for Jak 2, Naughty Dog wasn’t shy about revealing their inspirations from the GTA series when choosing this new direction for the series. When I was younger, my parents never let me play any games that were rated “M for Mature” like the GTA series. I think with Jak 2, it was revolutionary in the sense that they struck a perfect balance between making a GTA experience that was appealing to teens while still preserving elements from The Precursor Legacy so that the spirit of the first title was still present. In this case, they reached a new demographic that the series they took inspiration from couldn’t reach, and it gave the younger me a GTA experience I always wanted to experience (since I was forbidden from playing any of the GTA series) without any of the profanity or explicit content the GTA series is known for having. I’m sure there are many other GTA clones out there like The Simpsons Hit and Run that don’t have an M for Mature rating, but I think Jak 2 offered an experience that was as close as possible to having a GTA title rated T for Teens. I feel even Rockstar’s Bully for the PS2 wasn’t a GTA for teens, because Jak 2 offered players the ability to hijack the vehicles in the city without restriction, Jak used a gun that could kill people and creatures, etc.