First loved this when I was a teenager. Not knowing anything about music theory, but recognizing the sheer inventiveness, freedom and beauty of the work. Thank you....x
The use of that small part is one of the peak points of Björk's discography for me but it's disappointing it's not stated on the album credits that it's a borrowed melody. But using it such a creative way is also genius.
The way he skillfully uses limited rhythmic patterns and develops them into this whirl of raw emotion is nothing short of genius, a language in itself. It's a bitch that music like this is not widely understood and appreciated anymore and that very few people really take the time to get to speak this language. Thanks so much for putting this online with the score so it can be analysed and appreciated properly.
I would honestly prefer if Schoenberg stopped at this style and developed it to its maximum potential instead of... whatever weird things he was doing after writing this piece and a few more.
What a beautiful, moving piece this is. What a touching story and poem that it is based on. This work is so full of love and compassion, it just overflows with emotion.thank you for uploading it and also with the score. 🙏
I think I might be in love with this piece. I know it's program music but it really, really stands on its own and calls for personal interpretations. For me, this piece perfectly encapsulates so many feelings: profound sadness, depression, anxiety and existential dread, that finally transform into bittersweet joy, relief, acceptance and passionate love. Those themes work well in regards to the poem, but they also represent life as a whole. One could say that the piece represents going from existential anxiety, looking for answers, asking "Why?" and shaking your fist at God, to finally accepting the finality of death and embracing life, content to live it to its fullest. That's my interpretation and I think it's a rather beautiful one. Powerful, powerful music.
The original liner notes from the LP release indicated that this was recorded in the presence and with the approval of Schoenberg himself. He lived at the time in Los Angeles and taught at both the University of Southern California and the University of California, Los Angeles.
As an avid hater of Schoenberg....I’m speechless after discovering his earlier works such as this. I have also taken the time to learn 12 tone series and do subsequently have more respect for him and colleagues!
schonberg fut un génie visionnaire ,, la musique dodécaphonique nous livra d'ineffables chefs d'oeuvre , quelle beauté , quel mystère ,, schonberg rompit avec le classicisme pour notre plus grand plaisir ,, les débuts durent étre difficiles pour le maître comme les auditeurs de stravinsky étant venus écouter le sacre du printemps , ils furent enragés par une musique visionnaire ,, la salle fût dévastée , des bagarres éclatèrent , une grande partie des auditeurs quitta la salle ,, et désormais le sacre fait partie du répertoire classique ,, soulignons le courage de ces compositeurs qui rompirent avec les traditions pour ériger leur art vers les cimes inaccessibles du génie ,, thanks for sharing
Rhis postromantic score by the youngSchoenberg is interesting for two reasons. First, technically, it is derived both from Wagner and from Brahms. Second, in stylistic terms, it is a tone poem for chamber music, which is quite an exception.
I listened to this to make sure I liked the Kammer Symphony much more. And I found stuff to dig about this🤷♂️I hadn't noticed before. Not a big fan of Late Romanticism but genius is genius.
This is fucking dark and gorgeous. I love the pacing and slow development. Dm is the perfect key for this piece. In places it sounds like a pissed off version of Debussy's string 4tet. Lol. I just started reading Schoenberg's Theory of Harmony. I'm going to take it slow and absorb what I can. Chords are my favorite thing about songwriting. I tend to write folk-pop-electronica. Hopefully I can apply some of what I learn from Schoenberg.
D is a key very friendly to violins and other string family members. As much as Schoenberg is a lot about new harmonies, those are often arrived at as a consequence of the verticals coming from several independent horizontal lines, in short, extensive counterpoint... chord-happy or not, you will want to learn counterpoint, modal at least, and best, too, 18th century 'Bachian' style as well.
une composition merveilleuse toute en retenue sonore , en éclatements maîtrisés de création qui conduiront toute la musique atonale vers un univers musical nouveau , schoenberg brise et recompose une musique qui arrivait a un état d extinction transcendantale , après schoenberg la forme classique disparaîtra a tout jamais pour céder la place à une fantaisie expressionniste qui nous conduira vers des composteurs comme ligety , elliot carter , wollfgang rihm , part , iannis xennakis , boulez , luciano berio , hartmann , zimmermann et bien d autres , l abstraction musicale trouve la une naissance inespérée , suivra le woycceck d alban berg dont la forme vocale éclatera en une nuée moderniste et variée ,,
3:39 This specific chord caused a minor scandal at the time of the piece's publication, and some performers refused to program the piece due to this dominant with a ninth in the bass and the way Schoenberg resolves it in this passage.
Jack Albrecht You can google it, but I think he preferred to write it as “Schoenberg”. My guess is that he probably migrated somewhere non-german-speaking and so he changed the spelling of his name. But I could be wrong.
@@sergiohman So beautiful! Had to remind myself to breath while watching/hearing it performed. Although I had listened to a recording in advance, there's just nothing like being there in person.
Ah, it's just a double barline not a final barline for the end of a piece. Double barlines are often used for new sections of a piece, but these sections are not movements. In this print, some of these double barlines look quite thick so I understand why you think there's more than one movement!
It's a bit like Liszt's B Minor Sonata, if you've ever heard it before, (if not, you have to!) in that it has movement-like sections, but they're not actual movements, since the entire work is a single unit with the same motives and themes throughout, albeit developed over time
I'm not sure why this is considered so harmonically inventive. Was it because it used his twelve-tone technique (subtly, mind you)? It seems to be harmonically on par with the works of Debussy at the time (e.g., Nocturnes, which was premiered before this piece), and somewhat with the works of Strauss and Mahler.
Have you read the poem yet? The darker and "stranger" part (around 9:00) fits the story and function as tone painting. It's the woman's fear of telling the truth and losing the only man she's truly loved, guilt over not telling him, regret that she didn't wait and have a child with him instead, terror at the idea of her love despising her, despair at the thought of losing him, and the anguish of all these combined together. This, and the man's love of her leading him to accept and love her child as his own, and the ending of the piece being the beginning of a new family make this piece deeply impactful and tear-jerking for me. :)
Because a B double flat appears an octave higher in the same measure, the editor thought it would be nice to cancel that accidental before putting the new one. Ultimately, it’s to avoid confusion.
Exactly my point... Maybe my identification was wrong? I took the description from Early Works of Arnold Schoenberg, 1893-1908 (on Google Books), page 127, and followed the score. Could you recheck it? :)
lo mismo que pasó con Stravinsky con su periodo "ruso", la pura inspiración se agota en algún momento y la única forma es dejarse ir por un metodo que te permita encausar tu creatividad.
"Para innovar, uno tiene que masterizar por completo el arte tradicional, y luego de hacerlo, podrá crear cosas nuevas". Esto, fue dicho por Stravinsky. Quizás y tengan un largo camino musical ustedes todavía, para poder empezar a apreciar la música dodecafonica.
Bratsche in is the German word for kazoo. Geige is a somewhat lost instrument that's nearest modern equivalent is a vuvuzela. Nowadays people tend to substitute violas and violins.
All this talk about Schoenberg "liberating tonality" is utter nonsense and shows a remarkable ignorance of harmonic development over the centuries. Schoenberg extrapolated from the direction harmony was going and decided to create the dodecaphonic system. Any system can create great or terrible music depending how the composer uses it. Although this masterpiece is mostly tonal, there are already passages of intense non-tonality.
+ukpianoman2015 Yes, clearly tonality was already breaking down before Schoenberg (i mean just look at the scores of Wagner), however Schoenberg was the first person to come up with a system of composition that inherently avoided tonal tendencies, so I don't believe that saying Schoenberg "liberating dissonance" is nonsense at all
+Devan Jaquez I was talking about "liberating tonality", not "liberating dissonance". Or is that what you meant to write? I would certainly agree that Schoenberg liberated dissonance (although he was not the only one). Yes the 12 note system inherently avoids tonality but it depends how one uses it. Schoenberg never really got away from tonality even using this system (Berg even less so - his Violin Concerto being a prime example).
+ukpianoman2015 Nevertheless, the dodecaphonic system is more of a formal invention than a conclusion of the previous harmonic development. Unlike in other pieces that intend to 'break' the existing rules, this one is not that far away from that of previous composers.
I think from 6:29 to 7:35 is the most dramatic/intense/beautiful one minute of music I´ve heard. Although this recording is not my favorite regarding this section. How I wish Schoenberg had wrote more music like this! How many years he wasted with dodecaphonic shit...
First loved this when I was a teenager. Not knowing anything about music theory, but recognizing the sheer inventiveness, freedom and beauty of the work. Thank you....x
A 1:27
B 2:28
Etwas bewegter 3:00
C 3:14
D 4:36
E 5:12
F 7:50
G 9:12
H 10:01
J 10:30
K 11:24
L 13:22
Sehr breit und langsam 14:54
M 15:47
N 17:04
O 19:16
P 20:16
Q 21:01
R 21:14
S 21:42
T 23:13
U 24:29
V 25:12
Sehr gross 26:01
W 26:57
X 27:37
Terrifying and stunningly beautiful at the same time; an absolute masterpiece!
Well said!
Finally, finally, after a lifetime of trying...I am convinced this is truly a masterpiece and a wonder to behold!
Here because a small part of the arrangement is used in Bjork's hidden place song, performed by a choir. Very beautiful, as is this.
The use of that small part is one of the peak points of Björk's discography for me but it's disappointing it's not stated on the album credits that it's a borrowed melody. But using it such a creative way is also genius.
Can i get the time stamp?
The way he skillfully uses limited rhythmic patterns and develops them into this whirl of raw emotion is nothing short of genius, a language in itself. It's a bitch that music like this is not widely understood and appreciated anymore and that very few people really take the time to get to speak this language. Thanks so much for putting this online with the score so it can be analysed and appreciated properly.
Exactly. In the conservatory I have talked about Schoemberg's pretonal works and everyone just asumes it sounds really bad.
I would honestly prefer if Schoenberg stopped at this style and developed it to its maximum potential instead of... whatever weird things he was doing after writing this piece and a few more.
Eloquently said
11:26초부터는 악보만 많이 봤는데 직접 듣게 되어서 좋으네요~ 쇤베르크는 연주를 들을 기회가 정말 많이 없는데.. 참 좋은 세상입니다. 올려주신 분께 정말 감사합니다~^^💕
3:02-3:51 - etwas bewegter.
5:13 - ohne Dampfer
5:35 - Lebhafter
5:54 - etwas belebter
6:08 - Wieder belebter
6:31 - lebhafter
7:35 - bar after rit. - - -
8:20 - Drangend
8:52 - wild, leidcnschafthch
10:32 - Schneller werdend
10:48 - Sehr langsam (!!!)
18:49 - rit.
19:25-19:33 - (this is so beautiful)
20:17-21:08
21:17-22:29 - [R] Etwas bewegt.
24:38 - [U] Sehr ruhig
25:50 - molto rit.
27:08 - [W] (the chord progression here)
What a beautiful, moving piece this is. What a touching story and poem that it is based on. This work is so full of love and compassion, it just overflows with emotion.thank you for uploading it and also with the score. 🙏
I think I might be in love with this piece. I know it's program music but it really, really stands on its own and calls for personal interpretations. For me, this piece perfectly encapsulates so many feelings: profound sadness, depression, anxiety and existential dread, that finally transform into bittersweet joy, relief, acceptance and passionate love.
Those themes work well in regards to the poem, but they also represent life as a whole. One could say that the piece represents going from existential anxiety, looking for answers, asking "Why?" and shaking your fist at God, to finally accepting the finality of death and embracing life, content to live it to its fullest. That's my interpretation and I think it's a rather beautiful one. Powerful, powerful music.
The original liner notes from the LP release indicated that this was recorded in the presence and with the approval of Schoenberg himself. He lived at the time in Los Angeles and taught at both the University of Southern California and the University of California, Los Angeles.
How could that be if the recording was made in 1955, & Schoenberg died in 1951?
@@schlesmail1the description is an error. this was actually recorded in 1950
Most fun I’ve had on my phone in a while. A killer classic, and with the sheet music for the sextet. Thanks.
As an avid hater of Schoenberg....I’m speechless after discovering his earlier works such as this. I have also taken the time to learn 12 tone series and do subsequently have more respect for him and colleagues!
His mammoth early work for chorus and orchestra, Gurrelieder, is even more overtly late-romantic. The concluding Hymn to the Sun is glorious.
@@genedryer-bivins8314 I really can't think of a work more under-rated than Gurrelieder. It's absolutely insane.
@@Eorzat マーラーで言う嘆きの歌等を初めとする初期の楽曲は余り相手にされないのが悲しいです。
Try Gurrelieder next
I was gonna make a joke involving the inverted 9th chord but then I saw it was covered in the description.
Absolutely gorgeous.
32 6
Okay, I take back what I said about Schoenberg. This piece is pretty cool!
William Ford Darn tootin' it's pretty cool, especially Boulez' version
+Bertrand Marotte Darn tootin' hah
The bit at 1:17 is used in Bjorks Song, Hidden Place - she uses voices instead of violins though
@@peterpowis4145 who cares about her?!
@@helenamarie4337 well i do. And im sure others do too
this is my song of the summer!!!
schonberg fut un génie visionnaire ,, la musique dodécaphonique nous livra d'ineffables chefs d'oeuvre , quelle beauté , quel mystère ,, schonberg rompit avec le classicisme pour notre plus grand plaisir ,, les débuts durent étre difficiles pour le maître comme les auditeurs de stravinsky étant venus écouter le sacre du printemps , ils furent enragés par une musique visionnaire ,, la salle fût dévastée , des bagarres éclatèrent , une grande partie des auditeurs quitta la salle ,, et désormais le sacre fait partie du répertoire classique ,, soulignons le courage de ces compositeurs qui rompirent avec les traditions pour ériger leur art vers les cimes inaccessibles du génie ,, thanks for sharing
Rhis postromantic score by the youngSchoenberg is interesting for two reasons. First, technically, it is derived both from Wagner and from Brahms. Second, in stylistic terms, it is a tone poem for chamber music, which is quite an exception.
This music, its link to the poem, and the poem itself -- it's like a Venn diagram of brilliance, beauty, and profoundness
it had been so long since i had read music, I thought i forgot how.. Thank you for the refresher course..brilliant piece
That's some beautiful viola playing by Paul Robyn.
Schönberg is amazing.
4:34 love this part
Why do I appreciate this more after college?
Hahaha kinda same to me
life experiences? deeper understanding and sensitivity? stuff like that
Geniuses survive their teachers.
6:49 no words
21:14 cello excerpt
"his first true masterpiece, which is perhaps his most enduring composition."
YES
Siempre será una de mis obras favoritas de toda la vida. La amo amo 😍😍
danke für die Mühe Noten uns zu senden!
This peice and 2 others will be played at the proms this year to celebrate his 150th birthday
This was recorded in 1950, not 1955, in fact.
It has the most beautiful happy ending
It must be from heaven
I listened to this to make sure I liked the Kammer Symphony much more. And I found stuff to dig about this🤷♂️I hadn't noticed before. Not a big fan of Late Romanticism but genius is genius.
excellent performance and very useful video.
有人是看了「音樂家的無聊人生」之後過來的嗎？
台灣+1
This is fucking dark and gorgeous. I love the pacing and slow development. Dm is the perfect key for this piece. In places it sounds like a pissed off version of Debussy's string 4tet. Lol.
I just started reading Schoenberg's Theory of Harmony. I'm going to take it slow and absorb what I can. Chords are my favorite thing about songwriting. I tend to write folk-pop-electronica. Hopefully I can apply some of what I learn from Schoenberg.
D is a key very friendly to violins and other string family members. As much as Schoenberg is a lot about new harmonies, those are often arrived at as a consequence of the verticals coming from several independent horizontal lines, in short, extensive counterpoint... chord-happy or not, you will want to learn counterpoint, modal at least, and best, too, 18th century 'Bachian' style as well.
une composition merveilleuse toute en retenue sonore , en éclatements maîtrisés de création qui conduiront toute la musique atonale vers un univers musical nouveau , schoenberg brise et recompose une musique qui arrivait a un état d extinction transcendantale , après schoenberg la forme classique disparaîtra a tout jamais pour céder la place à une fantaisie expressionniste qui nous conduira vers des composteurs comme ligety , elliot carter , wollfgang rihm , part , iannis xennakis , boulez , luciano berio , hartmann , zimmermann et bien d autres , l abstraction musicale trouve la une naissance inespérée , suivra le woycceck d alban berg dont la forme vocale éclatera en une nuée moderniste et variée ,,
Absolute masterwork
Linda música 🎄🎄🎄🎅🎅🎁🎁🎁🌆🌃🚢🌆
3:39 This specific chord caused a minor scandal at the time of the piece's publication, and some performers refused to program the piece due to this dominant with a ninth in the bass and the way Schoenberg resolves it in this passage.
If the title is written "Verklärte Nacht" instead of "Verklaerte Nacht," why is this from "Schoenberg" instead of "Schönberg?"
Jack Albrecht You can google it, but I think he preferred to write it as “Schoenberg”. My guess is that he probably migrated somewhere non-german-speaking and so he changed the spelling of his name. But I could be wrong.
Schoenberg immigrated to the US in the 30s, in the wake of the rise of the Nazi Party, he 'americanised' his name, so to speak, I suppose.
@@howardchu2667 you are correct. Upon arriving in the US, he made the willful change to remove the umlaut from his name.
@@wavydoor726 Indeed. In fact, when he emigrated, he returned to Judaism publicly and legally changed the spelling of his surname.
imagine listening to this while vampires throw rocks at your house.
Very excited to see Gustavo Dudamel conduct this epic piece with the Los Angeles Phil in 2 days. Trying to wrap my head around it in preparation.
How was it?
@@sergiohman So beautiful! Had to remind myself to breath while watching/hearing it performed. Although I had listened to a recording in advance, there's just nothing like being there in person.
Is it really one movement? it looks like a second movement starts at 14:54 please explain. Thanks
Ah, it's just a double barline not a final barline for the end of a piece. Double barlines are often used for new sections of a piece, but these sections are not movements. In this print, some of these double barlines look quite thick so I understand why you think there's more than one movement!
It's a bit like Liszt's B Minor Sonata, if you've ever heard it before, (if not, you have to!) in that it has movement-like sections, but they're not actual movements, since the entire work is a single unit with the same motives and themes throughout, albeit developed over time
Perfectly captures the Transfiguration of Christ himself. Stunning and stirring.
This is about an honest cheating woman and a friendly husband????
Very nice performance! Thank you for posting it.
Absolutely incredible playing
Booker, catch!
THANKS! I was wondering why it sounded so familiar!
is it in bioshock??
I'm not sure why this is considered so harmonically inventive. Was it because it used his twelve-tone technique (subtly, mind you)? It seems to be harmonically on par with the works of Debussy at the time (e.g., Nocturnes, which was premiered before this piece), and somewhat with the works of Strauss and Mahler.
Which Strauss?
Ryan L Richard - The good one
: )
This piece was written in the 1890s, Schoenberg came up with the 12 tone technique in the 1920s.
damn this shit goes hard
I can't listen to this, and god knows how much I tried to like it. How do you guys do it?
Have you read the poem yet? The darker and "stranger" part (around 9:00) fits the story and function as tone painting.
It's the woman's fear of telling the truth and losing the only man she's truly loved, guilt over not telling him, regret that she didn't wait and have a child with him instead, terror at the idea of her love despising her, despair at the thought of losing him, and the anguish of all these combined together. This, and the man's love of her leading him to accept and love her child as his own, and the ending of the piece being the beginning of a new family make this piece deeply impactful and tear-jerking for me. :)
18:25 The top line...What does a natural flat mean?
Because a B double flat appears an octave higher in the same measure, the editor thought it would be nice to cancel that accidental before putting the new one. Ultimately, it’s to avoid confusion.
What part is the Bjork Hidden Place sample?
FRFR
Exactly my point... Maybe my identification was wrong? I took the description from Early Works of Arnold Schoenberg, 1893-1908 (on Google Books), page 127, and followed the score. Could you recheck it? :)
Wonderful work.
Amazing
Wasn't Mathilde the sister of Alexander not the daughter? Thanks for the excellent recording!
Una pena que después de esto Schöenberg se abandonara al dodecafonismo. Ójala hubiera dejado más piezas como ésta en su búsqueda de la estética.
Gonzalo Gómez Tienes razón, pero por lo menos siempre tendremos esto :)
Bueno, pues quédense leyendo a Cervantes y a Petrarca y no lean literatura ni poesía contemporaneas...
Camilo Rojas Qué tiene que ver la literatura aquí pedazo de imbécil?
lo mismo que pasó con Stravinsky con su periodo "ruso", la pura inspiración se agota en algún momento y la única forma es dejarse ir por un metodo que te permita encausar tu creatividad.
"Para innovar, uno tiene que masterizar por completo el arte tradicional, y luego de hacerlo, podrá crear cosas nuevas". Esto, fue dicho por Stravinsky. Quizás y tengan un largo camino musical ustedes todavía, para poder empezar a apreciar la música dodecafonica.
Wonderful music.
What a music!
Is it from heaven or hell?
If it is from heaven, it's the most wonderful and best
It is a very good performance, btw...
Having read it I've come to the same conclusion as you. If the book's correct then you are too. I still think it's odd though! :)
In my opinion, this recording is unsurpassed.
18:56 🎶❤️
How many different styles in that piece ?
satisfying version.
who's here from Quadeca's song?
0:48 악보부분
"ninth chord inversions don't exist" they said...
Where's the j balvin feat???
What's a Bratsche and a Geige?
I believe they are the German titles for Violin and Viola.
lol
Haden Plouffe Yes, they are.
A Bratsche is a viola, I think, a Geige is a violin.
Bratsche in is the German word for kazoo. Geige is a somewhat lost instrument that's nearest modern equivalent is a vuvuzela. Nowadays people tend to substitute violas and violins.
Elizabeth's theme anyone ?
0:07
2:30
3:01
4:12
All this talk about Schoenberg "liberating tonality" is utter nonsense and shows a remarkable ignorance of harmonic development over the centuries. Schoenberg extrapolated from the direction harmony was going and decided to create the dodecaphonic system. Any system can create great or terrible music depending how the composer uses it. Although this masterpiece is mostly tonal, there are already passages of intense non-tonality.
+ukpianoman2015 Yes, clearly tonality was already breaking down before Schoenberg (i mean just look at the scores of Wagner), however Schoenberg was the first person to come up with a system of composition that inherently avoided tonal tendencies, so I don't believe that saying Schoenberg "liberating dissonance" is nonsense at all
+Devan Jaquez I was talking about "liberating tonality", not "liberating dissonance". Or is that what you meant to write? I would certainly agree that Schoenberg liberated dissonance (although he was not the only one). Yes the 12 note system inherently avoids tonality but it depends how one uses it. Schoenberg never really got away from tonality even using this system (Berg even less so - his Violin Concerto being a prime example).
+ukpianoman2015 scriabin
+David R. Polk Yes Scriabin too.... amazing composer
+ukpianoman2015 Nevertheless, the dodecaphonic system is more of a formal invention than a conclusion of the previous harmonic development. Unlike in other pieces that intend to 'break' the existing rules, this one is not that far away from that of previous composers.
Listen in Double Speed for a Schoenberg Remix... you're welcome
Where is introduction ,transition ,coda?
yay! my homework!
I came here from a fanfiction about a musician, specifically a concert cellist.
11:38 시작
4:11
5:49
14:30
This is Schöenberg!
+Tiago Weinckler yes..... yes it is
Huh, I never noticed.
Either spell him in the later americanized form Schoenberg or as Schönberg as he was born. But do not mix them together. ;)
you can TELL schönberg was a string player
Sounds like late Mahler!
은희경 소설에 나온 클래식음악.
00:07 시작
00:34
👍
11:26
후기 낭만주의
정화된 밤
It’s like a bomb went off in his brain and this is the calm before the storm
genious!
3:39
J'écris encore un peu tonal, mais je prépare doucement vos oreilles à aller vers autre chose...
23:00
k musica + intensa!
esta repleta de emocion
Tchaikovsky-Schoenberg
11:24 후기낭만주의
Grade 10 here!
I think from 6:29 to 7:35 is the most dramatic/intense/beautiful one minute of music I´ve heard. Although this recording is not my favorite regarding this section.
How I wish Schoenberg had wrote more music like this! How many years he wasted with dodecaphonic shit...
Grade 10 topic
does anyone here think it sounds like bioshock infinite?
+MrHeca2 yeah