Royal Marine Reacts To Garand Thumb - The XM-157

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  • Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 228

  • @cliffsimmons9692
    @cliffsimmons9692 3 місяці тому +92

    33:57 Luke literally "Babe, Wake up! I gotta tell you about this new Army scope!"
    OR...
    *Her* 'I bet he's thinking of other women...'
    *Luke* 'OMG the new xm157 can read atmosphere conditions too!'

    • @OriginalHuman
      @OriginalHuman  3 місяці тому +20

      Hahahah!

    • @stevemadison6092
      @stevemadison6092 3 місяці тому +4

      Just think when AI hits. The scope will be able to scan the battlefield and identify threats for the infantryman.

    • @cliffsimmons9692
      @cliffsimmons9692 3 місяці тому +5

      @@stevemadison6092 as GT said, "Like Battlefield, but scary"

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +3

      This thing can make you smoke fools at 800 meters AND give you today's weather report.

    • @joebenson528
      @joebenson528 3 місяці тому

      @@Darwinist
      You better have $15,000 to cough up. It's not worth that much, but they will charge civilians that much.

  • @handyman81216
    @handyman81216 3 місяці тому +108

    Guns are getting pretty close to what modern day main battle tanks have been doing for decades. Laser the target, the computer automatically creates a firing solution and you are almost guaranteed to hit.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +5

      My guess is Big Army has been dreaming about these capabilities and dead set on acquiring them for a very long time, just waiting until the hardware got sufficiently miniaturized.

    • @MatchGrade08
      @MatchGrade08 3 місяці тому +1

      People have been dreaming about it since almost the beginning. Its the whole concept of artillery. You calculate a perfect shot. The navy had been doing it with computers first since a ship was the only thing big enough for a computer first but the idea of having a range where you know all the distances and turn a knob to make adjustments was already tried. Its the same concept as mildots. Really its the same concept as the adjustable iron sights, civil the war range finder and firing tables so all together one of the quite ancient ideas our army had been working towards. For us its been a bit more than 160 years at least before it reached a neat package like this.

    • @FlyingMiniTacosYT
      @FlyingMiniTacosYT 3 місяці тому

      Thats the thing. The advancement in technology is simply, create, perfect, make smaller, perfect smaller form, move onto the next

  • @joecruz4706
    @joecruz4706 3 місяці тому +64

    I’m glad that you explained the importance of being able to manufacture things in your own country instead of importing it. An army can’t move if logistics can’t do their thing.

    • @jfkst1
      @jfkst1 Місяць тому

      Ok but the US is allied closely with many nations.

  • @mortaljorgeguy
    @mortaljorgeguy 3 місяці тому +55

    The one from the task in purpose was the other scope in the competition from l3 Harris. That one was 1-6x and lost. This one is from vortex, 1-8 and the winner of the competition

  • @Darwinist
    @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +40

    I just had a rather scary thought.
    Imagine you also happen to have a GPS unit in your loadout, a GPS unit that can interface with this scope. You know where you are located down to a T, and the scope gives you accurate distance and direction to the target you lase. Now all you need to be able to pass on meter-accurate coordinates to an indirect fire asset(like your mortar team firing next-gen GPS guided rounds) is an accurate elevation reading, which I´m fairly sure this system could calculate as well with a simple gyroscopic sensor like everyone has on their smart phone.
    TL;DR: The upgradable architecture of this system opens the door to every infantryman in a squad being able to do the job currently done by dedicated artillery forward observers and JTAC-type people in terms of guiding indirect. and aerial fire onto targets.

    • @dustinpecor2677
      @dustinpecor2677 3 місяці тому +6

      This, plus interfacing with drones, means artillery just got 2 major upgrades

    • @coast2coast00
      @coast2coast00 3 місяці тому +4

      It has gyros, it can adapt to holding it sideways. The current version can supposedly already share your targets with your squad, so it would have GPS and radios.
      If it can talk with AWACS or whatever net, you could have guys watching on satellites giving targets.
      You could have a spotter with binos mark out 15 targets and give one to each weapon, and start a countdown timer, so all rounds hit their targets in the same second.
      Each target would just be XYZ coordinates, so there's no reason why you couldn't store say a million of them, so you could have for example, every opfor building in the country marked on every scope.
      You could have a "squawk IFF" function, where you broadcast your location from the weapon, and show up as friendly on all nearby scopes.

    • @Sergeant1127
      @Sergeant1127 3 місяці тому +5

      That is a level of combat force multiplication the US army hasn't seen since the mass adoption of NVGs in the 90s and handhelds in WW2.

    • @PopeMetallicus
      @PopeMetallicus 2 місяці тому

      That, uh....that exists.

  • @MichaelScheele
    @MichaelScheele 3 місяці тому +39

    Another advantage of using US made glass, some optical coatings are made with rare earth metals. China is the largest supplier of rare earth metals in the world. If China decides not sell those rare earth metals to the US or its allies (Japan and multiple European countries), the US can mine its own deposits.

    • @Clyde__Frog
      @Clyde__Frog Місяць тому

      I'm sure the CIA has ways to obtain 'forbidden' materiel lol

  • @ravens.u.a.sflightservices
    @ravens.u.a.sflightservices 3 місяці тому +12

    the scopes also talk to each other, so someone in your squad can see your targets that you have saved and fire on them as well

  • @philmcglen6194
    @philmcglen6194 3 місяці тому +15

    I've been watching this and the NGSW program since the beginning and this scope is mind blowing. Think of how effective guys on the ground will be with this. That SIG with this optic getting first shot kills every time. It's pretty exciting

  • @KodamaOM01
    @KodamaOM01 3 місяці тому +5

    Something that they glazed over in that last-second topic of saved points; imagine the potential for these optics to then communicate with each other. Every member of a squad seeing each other's saved targets. Or even AI (probably coming far sooner than we'd think at this rate) highlighting potential targets to quick-tag. Insane. I could also see this having applications in scenarios like hostage standoffs where you could have more precise targeting at medium ranges on a person's body.

  • @chugachuga9242
    @chugachuga9242 3 місяці тому +16

    This sight is actually different to the one in the Task and Purpose video, they are both from the same program and do the same things but thwart you saw previously was the losing bid by L3Harris, and what Garandthumb has here is the winning design by Vortex.

  • @BloPsy_Actual
    @BloPsy_Actual 3 місяці тому +4

    I knew this video would blow your mind. Glad you decided to react to it.

  • @Darwinist
    @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +21

    Oh and just for reference: 700 yards = 640 meters.

  • @TechnoMinarchist
    @TechnoMinarchist 3 місяці тому +15

    44:46 This info can also be shared with your squad and your ENVGs.

  • @robertkoonce8365
    @robertkoonce8365 3 місяці тому +19

    From what I gathered is the computer doesn't actually change the settings. It computes a firing solution and projects an aiming point in the reticle. Then ya just use the aiming dot instead of the scope point of aim, be it Chevron , cross hairs or dot.

    • @Mistborn94
      @Mistborn94 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah this is correct it just will highlight a certain hash mark in the Christmas tree reticle

  • @amitnachman3840
    @amitnachman3840 3 місяці тому +2

    i enjoy watching infantry guys fund out what its like to be a tank gunner

  • @marine6680
    @marine6680 3 місяці тому +14

    There was an AR prototype a few years back that had a scope with a trigger block mechanism. It would calculate the proper aim point, and would not allow the trigger to be pulled until you were on target. It was an odd system.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +4

      It makes sense for some applications, but none of them are military. Police sniping is one of them.

    • @lukewarmwater6713
      @lukewarmwater6713 3 місяці тому

      I think one of the Israeli Operators did mention about it in Garand Thumbs video about the war in Isreal, definitely a must to watch.

    • @ScuffedEngineer
      @ScuffedEngineer 3 місяці тому +1

      It's used to take out cameras and drones in the military.

  • @Darwinist
    @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +11

    The ability to lase multiple points and save them is really clever and basically replicates how indirect fire units like mortars and artillery build up databases of target reference points(TRPs) so they can then take fire missions that shift off those points.
    Massive on the defense where you can lase 400, 600, 800 off some landmarks and move between different enemy units rapidly without having to lase every single one.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому +5

      Now suddenly remember that this thing fits on a squad machine gun as well, and shudder.
      Those boys over in Ukraine defending the trenches could put these things to *really* good use right now.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 3 місяці тому +2

      It also can be shared with the other scopes in your squad and your envgs.

    • @stevemadison6092
      @stevemadison6092 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@TechnoMinarchistThe memory points are awesome. You could memorize key targets on squad range card for defense and be on target instantly. Awesome

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 3 місяці тому +3

      @@stevemadison6092 Since the points can be shared wirelessly between your squadmates, it can replace tracers and rapidly speed up squad on target. Simply lase a point and share. Now everyone in the squad knows immediately what to aim at.

    • @adamrou12345
      @adamrou12345 3 місяці тому +2

      That ability to record firing data at scale is going to be huge for modern battle management software that will use these data sets to better predict where the enemy will be and how to most effectively engage them. The end goal of systems like these isn't so much about the actual out in the field utility as much as it is about turning soldiers into multifunction sensors collecting massive amounts of data from which advanced systems will extrapolate trends and make better predictions providing a more holistic approach to combined arms warfare. The goal of the military is defeat the old adage of "no plan survives first contact with the enemy" systems like this combined with the boring software magic of data science will help make that notion obsolete. Unfortunately those back end systems are the actual secret sauce and we will likely never get a look at those.

  • @gregsage5576
    @gregsage5576 3 місяці тому +10

    A basic commercial laser pack (Vortex Impact 4000) is available on the civilian market in the US with a lot of the range and ballistic calculation functions included... $2999...

    • @Adamjoko
      @Adamjoko 3 місяці тому

      I can't remember but I remember there was another one that was similar to this as well. I saw it one time for sale, but it was expensive, nearing $5,000. It looks like a standard scope but it has like three separate optics on the same one. One on top and one on the left side. If anyone knows what it is please tell me, because I really can't figure out what it was again.

    • @Nick-sx6jm
      @Nick-sx6jm 3 місяці тому

      @@Adamjoko I think the Burris eliminator is different to what your talking about but look it up as it does the same thing as this with lighting up a dot.

  • @themrlucky
    @themrlucky 3 місяці тому +3

    I have a burris eliminator 4 on a .308. Remembering that this is a hunting optic, they limit the distance by impact force (ethical hunting restrictions). With the.308 it will range and provide bd calculations out to 1300 yards.

  • @quellenathanar
    @quellenathanar 3 місяці тому +8

    With these types of optics, you can get a little more understanding of why the US Army decided on the .277 Fury. Without a good way of making the operator more accurate, that extra range of lethality would be a lot less effective. With this being married to a platform like the XM-7, it accentuates the long-range abilities of both the rifle and the optic.
    I would be concerned with the ruggedness of the system. How it performs in actual combat as opposed to the range...I guess we will see, but I get the feeling it's gonna be a game changer.

  • @SledgeHammer43
    @SledgeHammer43 3 місяці тому +5

    Remember the laser, laser range finder, compass the ballistic calculator and Sight are all completely intragrated as one unit. No more Atrx ballistic calculator. Compass and note pads. With in a second from ranging a target a aiming solution is up on the redical so point aim and gently squeeze the trigger.

  • @BoosterStevens000
    @BoosterStevens000 3 місяці тому +1

    I was thinking about it when he brought up CQB. On my rifle with this optic on it I would put a 45 degree canted pick rail attachment on and then an RMR conversion to the RMR red dot. That system would add the least amount of weight on top of this scope variation.
    I also live about an hour away from Vortex HQ in Wisconsin and they are an incredible company. I can’t recommend them enough for your scopes. They have a life time trade in replacement policy with all of their optics. My friend accidentally backed over his long gun with his truck and the vortex scope got crushed. I went with him and he put it on the counter and without hesitation the lady at the counter turned around and got a new scope of the same type and handed it to him. After she did ask what happened and she laughed. The End. I do quite a bit of competition shooting and their scopes are some of the best on the market.
    Unfortunately Vortex at the time of this video isn’t a massive enterprise like much of the other military industrial complex companies in the US. However because of a few new military contracts that have been awarded to them they will more than likely will be expanding to create the 250,000 scopes for the US military. This means however that it will take them more time to get these scopes to the US military and in turn it will be longer for it to get into the average consumers hands. The rep I spoke to also said it would be about 10 years before this came out to the general public 😢.

  • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192
    @goldenageofdinosaurs7192 3 місяці тому +2

    Yes! I’ve been looking forward to this one!

  • @maxmoller
    @maxmoller 3 місяці тому +6

    If you wanna add a red dot to the rifle. You could just put it on a offset optics mount. And have it next to the scope. 🙂

    • @MuricanBearWarrior
      @MuricanBearWarrior 3 місяці тому +1

      There’s a covered mount for a red dot onto the optic

  • @xXSoren7
    @xXSoren7 3 місяці тому +4

    I'm not a military guy but ti seems to me that the reason they went to the new caliber (increased range) was this

  • @FunnyQuailMan
    @FunnyQuailMan 3 місяці тому +1

    33:50 reminds me of when my gf asked me if bullets come in different sizes. It was the cutest, most endearing thing I've ever heard.

  • @ryanhamstra49
    @ryanhamstra49 3 місяці тому +6

    12:35 it’s not just the inability to move goods around but it’s also the fact that a lot of stuff gets parts from a large Asian country that is on the list of top 5 countries we may fight if ww3 broke out and if you get your glass from them, it’s really easy for them to decide no more glass for you. He said it very diplomatically, but basically he accused everyone else of being made in china.

  • @brunoks6951
    @brunoks6951 3 місяці тому +1

    Precision shots, from a mounted M2... I don't want to be at the receiving end of that.

    • @austins9950
      @austins9950 Місяць тому

      to be fair it’s still not gonna be that much more deadly. the m2 isn’t exactly known for accuracy. it’s more accuracy by volume

    • @brunoks6951
      @brunoks6951 Місяць тому

      @@austins9950 Yeah. It's true. But still will improve the volume fire at your position. There will still be spread, but they will acquire your position faster. Considering that it's a .50, my cover maybe will not withstand.

  • @lobokurg2786
    @lobokurg2786 3 місяці тому +7

    Only thing missing now is a helmet visor that shows me a red dot overlay of where the optic is pointing for cqb.
    The other important part of the parts being made in the US is that it means the industrial military complex is putting money back into job security for the tax payers funding the new gear. Now if only it didn't cost as much as my car.

    • @ronaldmcreagann6343
      @ronaldmcreagann6343 3 місяці тому +1

      It absolutely could be integrated with modern Augmented Reality face wear that the US is already testing, with some work. I don’t see any reason it couldn’t.

  • @zelo3238
    @zelo3238 3 місяці тому +3

    in 20 years, scopes will be able to tell you someones ssn i swear to god.

  • @watchthe1369
    @watchthe1369 3 місяці тому +1

    I looked up some numbers, these are about 10,000$ a copy. Time to cut back on the beers and only get light buzzes... the current top of the line scope is 4,000$

  • @crazedmonk8u
    @crazedmonk8u 3 місяці тому +2

    Terrifying to think of future wars with this if you are fighting a near peer it changes the whole field dynamic and lowers the skill floor for the average soldier. Like yes you can shoot those long distances reliably with training but good luck getting the average soldier who spent 2 hours on the range(pretty sure you are only required to shoot up to 300m-383yards for BT) or a draftee to do that on a paper target in one shot let alone a real target. cannot be understated how much of a game changer this scope is.

  • @ethangshooting21
    @ethangshooting21 3 місяці тому

    Laser range finders are generally mounted on top of a scope so they clear anything mounted on the forward rail and aren't offset as much to the side of the bore. If you look at something like the Raptar or Vortex impact 4000 95% of the time they're mounted on top of the scope vs a side rail etc.

  • @butteredtaters3554
    @butteredtaters3554 3 місяці тому +3

    7:12 you heard it here, folks. 2 inches is a lot, its big.

  • @Serenityindailylife
    @Serenityindailylife 3 місяці тому

    Jimmy Hamilton is the driving force behind this project. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
    Funny thing, they arent allowed to show what it looks like on youtube because of ITAR.
    The trigger interrupt is a patent of tracking point. I own one of 100 made of their scope on a Remington 700. It came with ammo and everything.
    There is an interface that works with the optical interface glasses too. It allows you to target around corners.
    It's less weight than an ir pointer and a scope but it has a rangefinder in it too.

  • @robertkoonce8365
    @robertkoonce8365 3 місяці тому +4

    Weeks of use time? My Stream light TLR-7 burns batteries in a couple of hours of steady use. Vortex is gonna put a bunch of folks out of business if this ever hits the civilian market.

  • @Ciaran735
    @Ciaran735 3 місяці тому +1

    To round out the series you should check out Grand thumbs video on the M338, part of the NGSW family if weapons from Sig

  • @NottiOne
    @NottiOne 3 місяці тому +3

    I have those batteries on every window in my house for my security system and I replace them every 3 years, lithium is great.

    • @Nick-sx6jm
      @Nick-sx6jm 3 місяці тому

      I have a thermal scope on an AR for night predator hunting that uses 2 CR123's and it lasts all night no problem.

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    @MrWiickeN 3 місяці тому

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  • @cliffsimmons9692
    @cliffsimmons9692 3 місяці тому +5

    This type of tech will be on the civilian market sooner than later.
    Magpul and Maztech have partnered up to bring a optic system that's very similar to the xm157.

    • @cliffsimmons9692
      @cliffsimmons9692 3 місяці тому

      Found a quick overview from TFBTv on the Magpul x Maztech project:
      ua-cam.com/video/UyHigbxo5aQ/v-deo.htmlsi=Ry5K7unoxkRv3QMB

    • @FGYT1
      @FGYT1 3 місяці тому +1

      Lots of this has been available tech in civilian market for a while now

    • @cliffsimmons9692
      @cliffsimmons9692 3 місяці тому +1

      @@FGYT1 indeed, but it's only recently that companies are making items where all/most of that tech is in a single unit.

  • @camdenharper7244
    @camdenharper7244 3 місяці тому

    Such a great example of good engineering at work. How simple, user-friendly, and reliable can we make this? Yes.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому

      I like how they cram a ton of next-gen capabilities into this without falling into the full-on "space age" hole. That this can still be good for actual long-range work with all the batteries empty and all the electronics broken, provided you know how to properly use an LPVO is essential.
      Forget backup iron sights, now you feel you are working on Hard Mode with a scope that any Designated Marksman and all but the most long-range working snipers would feel is up to the task. Meet the new floor, the same as the old ceiling, or close enough to it.

  • @ifrxenvoy124
    @ifrxenvoy124 3 місяці тому +1

    The computer doesn’t make physical adjustments to the etched reticle like you would with the turrets. It projects a second reticle like a red dot or holo sight.

  • @ivancorey7389
    @ivancorey7389 3 місяці тому +7

    I’d be surprised if the optic costs less than the gun its mounted on.
    Probably NV levels of costs.

    • @MichaelNKaboose
      @MichaelNKaboose 3 місяці тому

      The standard XM7 rifle is ~$4500 and the XM157 Optic is ~$11,000. The belt-fed XM250 rifle is ~$12,000.

    • @jac1207
      @jac1207 25 днів тому

      give it at least 15 years AFTER it comes to civilian market. Then the pricing will steadily drop. Maybe in 20 years, we'll have these smart optics in same pricing as regular optics we have today.

  • @Wiwcac
    @Wiwcac 3 місяці тому +3

    Well that looks neat.

  • @kenconey
    @kenconey 3 місяці тому +1

    As a former marine, I am envious as he'll, question when does the next year's catalog come out so I can pre-order 😊😂

    • @kiekokat3678
      @kiekokat3678 2 місяці тому

      Yea I have to agree as a former PMI in the Marines ... I want one .. 🤤🤤🤤🤤

  • @stephenrh1680
    @stephenrh1680 3 місяці тому +3

    Much love luke! hey you should react to at least one more video of the fat electricians. He has a new video out where he talks about Roy Benavidez who was a green barrett. It's up to you whether you want to react to it or not but it is a really good video in my opinion.

  • @williamkerner
    @williamkerner 2 місяці тому

    Wow! When I went through basic training, 1992 at Ft Benning GA "Home of the Infantry" we were apart of an experimental group. Normally in the military soldiers did BRM - Basic Rifle Marksmanship. Our group did IRM "Infantry Rifle Marksmanship." We did a ton of shooting during the day and at night and we also did long distance shooting with our basic M-16 set up, standard front and rear sites. I remember shooting targets at 500 yards with no special optics, you can do it but it's very hard to do. This new set up is incredible, it does everything for you, you just need to pull the trigger. I would hate to engage in targets inside 100 yards with this optic device on the weapon. P.S. I hit 37 out of 40 targets and got my "Expert Marksmanship Badge."

  • @foxsplatter1870
    @foxsplatter1870 3 місяці тому +2

    It will likely have a 1 shot zero function where you fire a 3 round group, and move a second reticle to shot impact group, press set and it'll then be zeroed.

    • @FGYT1
      @FGYT1 3 місяці тому

      No it's base is a normal glass scope with mechanical elevation and windage dials for zero moving a etched glass reticule
      The electronic info augments over this
      One shot zero is used with a LCD display from a camera behind the front lens this uses lots of power IE my civiy one has much bigger battery capacity than the vortex but only lasts about 11hrs

    • @foggcm
      @foggcm 13 днів тому

      True, but you could just adjust your physical reticle in your scope to match the electronic reticle and your scope will be sighted in

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 3 місяці тому

    Having everything in one unit saves weight and logistics. The weight of the optic, 2.5 lbs, is easily lighter than all the electronics stuff a soldier would normally slap on to the forearm like laser ranger finder, ballistics calculator, laser illuminator, the video and still cameras, thermal camera, wireless comms and the batteries for all those items, often using different sizes. The "USB" ports for white lights, etc, also saves weight for more batteries for that stuff.
    LPVO's come in two flavors, First Focal Plane (FFP) and Second Focal Plane (SFP). With First Focal Plane the reticle magnifies with the target, the hashmarks stay the same. so it's easy to learn. Second Focal Plane scopes magnifiy the target, but the reticle doesn't so it requires more training, but it's better for closer range shots. The LPVO's issued to the higher tier operators (Delta, SpecFor, Rangers, SEALs, etc) tend to be the SFP, because they're trained more. They both have advantages or disadvantages. Usually Single Focal Plane scopes act weird when they hit 10x. Until they improved the lenses, 6X was as good as it got.

  • @mgreene1409
    @mgreene1409 3 місяці тому +2

    I saw a price per unit estimate of $10,000 😮.

  • @BionicBurke
    @BionicBurke 3 місяці тому +1

    I wonder if you'd learn from the optic after a while and eventually be able to just make shots without the assistance almost as accurately and fast. The range finder just projects a dot inside the optic apart from the etched crosshairs. You would sight the scope the same as any other. Not sure how you'd calibrate the range finder projection though.

  • @paratroopdawg
    @paratroopdawg 3 місяці тому

    My guess is that another reason the laser on top clears it that sensor from the Soldier in defilade. Just like holding a mirror to see around a corner. You can see a target through the scope with partial obstruction, but that laser range finder might need a cleared view to function.

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 3 місяці тому

    I'm pretty sure they've made incremental improvements to the optic because they've made enough incremental changes to the XM-5 so it's now designated the M-7. When they made important changes to the M-16, it was redesignated the M-16A1, then the A2, A3, and A4, just like the L-85 was redesignated. There must have been very big changes to the design to change the actual number and not just tack on "A1" or "A2".
    The commercial market often leads the military by a whole generation for optics and gear that's not regulated, but being able to produce something in those numbers will eventually make them less expensive later and sell for less when they're replaced by better things.
    Right now you can get X gen nightvision and thermals for a fraction of what first gen was 20 years ago, if you've got the money, you can get the newest stuff that's better than what the military has, just not "hardened" for military service and probably a step below what they issue the elite units, because they often give the latest and greatest stuff to the elites to try out and give feedback on what is good, what sucks, and how they can "soldierproof" it, because if it doesn't come out of their check, they're going to try to break it once the mission is done.

  • @davidcanoy8579
    @davidcanoy8579 3 місяці тому

    Kids always get better toys. That whole rig is miles beyond the M16A2 we were issued.

  • @TerraZetzz
    @TerraZetzz 3 місяці тому

    So basically it's like the reticles you get in space games or War Thunder telling you where to aim.

  • @criseist9786
    @criseist9786 3 місяці тому

    That defense budget hits like crazy lol

  • @D2_Papaya
    @D2_Papaya 3 місяці тому

    what I think is cool about this is integrating thermal imaging to it.
    From what I can see on the illustrations I don't think it can be shown in any high quality resolution unless the laser projection is part of the upgradable module, but I think that won't necessarily be needed, since it can use its design philosophy of minimal interference by indicating red and blue dots on large masses that are hot or cold.
    with it being essentially a computer they could use it to filter out all the useless information and only give visual indication to the main optic if something resembling a human or vehicle is spotted.
    though there is one thing that bothered me a bit, it having a laser range finder may be a disadvantage in some cases, such as enemy forces wearing laser detection modules, armoured vehicles and aircraft especially very often come with very sophisticated laser detection abilities that will inform the crew about being rangefinder'ed, if not inform the crew where they got beamed from.
    PS: just got to the thermal comment at 32:30 and I TOLD YOU! THEY WERE ALREADY COOKING THAT!

  • @PocketDrummer
    @PocketDrummer 3 місяці тому

    I haven't seen any other entrants, but I could see the logistics part of it being a MASSIVE selling point. Especially considering how the US Army is basically UPS with guns.

  • @zacharyramsli8002
    @zacharyramsli8002 3 місяці тому

    I think what they are trying to say with weight is that when you add up all the weight of stuff that people have mounted to their guns right now (lasers lights and such) That it weighs less in this integrated form. Which makes sense if you think about it.
    Dude saving targets? This is like having a digital range card on your scope!
    This feels like as much of a game changer as introducing machineguns.
    I gotta get me one of these.
    Semper Fi!

  • @nhwilkinosn
    @nhwilkinosn 3 місяці тому

    That optic will turn prs into a carnival game, for the ones that can afford it

  • @PMeier2183
    @PMeier2183 3 місяці тому

    I taught firearms for 14 years in the USAF and I wish I was still in so I could play with this thing!

  • @Nick-sx6jm
    @Nick-sx6jm 3 місяці тому +1

    Stuff like this is not far behind at all for civilians, maybe 3-4 years for for something with this exact capability considering we have had things like the Burris eliminator series of scopes for aver a decade which does 75% of what this scope does. It has a built in rangefinder and lights up a dot just like this. Best part is its only 2.5k so its not insanely expensive.

  • @Holsteinvonheine
    @Holsteinvonheine 3 місяці тому +1

    I'd say the range of it depends on the capabilities of the bullet of the gun itself

  • @charleslennonbaker
    @charleslennonbaker Місяць тому

    We've already 'seen' in the 'past' the smaller version of this optic...in the T-800.

  • @flyboymike111357
    @flyboymike111357 3 місяці тому

    Having the laser rangefinder removable also means there's less cost and bureaucracy to upgrade the system in the future. Either the computer element can get smaller/lighter/cheaper, or the scope itself could be. And you don't have to replace the whole thing.

  • @EdWolfram
    @EdWolfram 3 місяці тому

    The laser on top gives it the best chance to have a clear view of the target with about a half inch of height over the optic.

  • @zicram
    @zicram 3 місяці тому +3

    Legal Aimbot IRL

  • @christopherhinch4723
    @christopherhinch4723 3 місяці тому

    You should review the us army new psq42 nightvision, I know only the infantry has it right now but it gives every soldier thermal capabilities. I have been using them the past two years, it has integrated compass and connects through bluetooth to one of our new weapon sights so you can look around corners with a cross hair that comes up in the goggles

  • @SledgeHammer43
    @SledgeHammer43 3 місяці тому

    Shooting a door frame or header near a target makes them keep low. The XM250 comes in 6.8mm Sig Fury, 7.62 x 51, and .338 norma magnum now I am not sure if that is still accurate but that was the original.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 3 місяці тому

      The sig .338 is a separate gun. It's signficantly larger, it just looks similar.

  • @FGYT1
    @FGYT1 3 місяці тому

    @originalhuman Not sure if you skipped it but these scopes can talk to each other as well so you can lase and save a target and ping it to your buddies so it shows up in their scopes when they point in that direction. no more .. where .. left of the bush you tw@£.
    Or change stag and upload the major points to watch

  • @hvymax
    @hvymax 3 місяці тому

    Keeping things in the same plane enhanced precision.

  • @scavyboi
    @scavyboi 3 місяці тому

    If you need a red dot for whatever reason you could just mount an RMR at 45 degrees
    its not in feet or meters, its in yards. A yard is 3 feet and a meter is 3.2 feet

  • @CertifiedSunset
    @CertifiedSunset 3 місяці тому

    The scope in the Task and Purpose video was a L3 Harris scope that lost the competition to this scope made by Vortex. It wasn't upgraded since then, it's the design that beat out the other.

  • @captainclueless8983
    @captainclueless8983 3 місяці тому +1

    When he said it works with the M2 as well. Is that referrign to a rifle I've never heard of or did he actually mean the thing works with a .50 cal.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому

      If they have a profile in there for the M82, we can (somewhat)safely assume that the laser is capable of ranging out to 2 kilometers.

  • @adambitner2058
    @adambitner2058 3 місяці тому

    An Israeli start-up invented a smart scope for shooting down drones, it creates a firing solution then you just acquire the target with the trigger pulled and it fires when you aim at the right place.

  • @BoricuaDBO
    @BoricuaDBO 3 місяці тому

    My biggest issue with it was that it's a lot more weight but since it's replacing the peq 15 as well then I guess that makes up for it.

  • @PocketDrummer
    @PocketDrummer 3 місяці тому

    21:57 - I have this thought so often. Ignoring the butterfly effect, I would LOVE to show up in the 1700s or even the medieval times with this weapons system and just see the absolutely bewildered expression on their face. Presumably moments before they burn me at the stake for being a wizard or something.

    • @PocketDrummer
      @PocketDrummer 3 місяці тому

      Hell, even in WWII. Even the 1-8x by itself is significantly better than the optics snipers used back then let alone the fact that it just does all the ballistics for you.

  • @timmooney7528
    @timmooney7528 3 місяці тому

    Makes me think of the game Ghost Warrior: Contracts with the range adjusting reticle

  • @chrisvibz4753
    @chrisvibz4753 3 місяці тому

    i mean i have to agree with you this scope is sus. but from what i hear the machine gunner (called specialist in the us military) will be using this as a crew served weapon, meaning its gonna be from decent distances, and if theyre super close you have your squad with you with either their M4’s or the m7 for short range fire plus you can fire it from the hip to suppress but from a distance this isnt just for suppression anymore

  • @marine6680
    @marine6680 3 місяці тому +3

    As far as glass, the US has not had any manufacturing capacity for high quality optical glass in a long time. This scope, using US made glass is a big deal.
    Currently you have a few options for glass for optics. Actual glass and not plastic...
    China... quality can vary. It trends between low grade and moderate. At best, it is acceptablely functional for low cost.
    Japan... Very good glass, this is a more premium option, typically found in optics that are focused on a balance of price and performance. The glass may struggle in high magnification optics, or at least have noticeable optical artifacts... But for lower power optics, up to around 4x you will be hard pressed to notice a difference between Japanese glass and more premium glass. 6-8x some minor artifacts creep in, and 10x+ they get more noticeable. Still usable.
    European glass... Typically German made. The most premium option, best of the best optical performance, at a high price. You are looking at starting prices of around $2k at the lowest for optics with European glass.
    The US has a requirement for military percurment that even if a foreign design is selected, production must happen in the US. Optics have traditionally had some caveats, where manufacturer would happen here, but the glass would be imported.

    • @Darwinist
      @Darwinist 3 місяці тому

      Even during WWII there were some rare extreme precision engineering products that the Allies were dependent on importing from continental Europe. A lot of it was covertly sourced from Switzerland.

    • @bilbonob548
      @bilbonob548 3 місяці тому

      Japanese glass is better than German glass (i.e; nightforce).

    • @marine6680
      @marine6680 3 місяці тому

      @bilbonob548 Not from what I have seen, and the general discussion online. It is good glass though.
      The better models, like Nightforce, add more coatings and things to maximize what they get from the Japanese glass. This allows them to push magnification up more before visual aberrations become noticeable.
      I have a Nightforce NX8 1-8x... And I can definitely see some minor aberrations at 8x.

    • @bilbonob548
      @bilbonob548 3 місяці тому

      @@marine6680 I have an ATACR and it is probably the clearest glass I've ever used. At this level though glass clarity and resolution seems a bit of a wash. IMO better than the Valdada - and a big step up from the old S&B. I think with all the camera lens glass development Japan does they've superceded a lot of German glass (definitely better than Schott anyway).

    • @marine6680
      @marine6680 3 місяці тому

      @bilbonob548 Maybe, I haven't looked through all the high end stuff to say from personal experience. I have looked through a few very high end European scopes, and they were amazing.
      Glass composition is a big part of things, followed by the glass cooling without defects. After that, the grind and polish precision also play a major role.
      Outside of any potential proprietary glass composition and manufacture techniques, there are no huge secrets in the optics field. Not this late in the game anyway. The Japanese glass makers have the same materials knowledge as those in Europe. Defect free glass making is also known well, it's just a matter of application, and it is goint to cost more to spend the time to ensure no defects happen and testing and discarding anything that doesnt meet the standard.
      Grind and polish comes down to good machines, time and QC. So all that takes is a willingness to spend the money on maximizing those aspects.
      All that can be done by the companies in Japan, if a customer wanted to pay them enough to do it.
      Coatings for the lenses are likely where the last few percent of difference lies between the best scope brands/glass manufacturers. There are many proprietary aspects to that part of it.
      Heck, I bet a Chinese optical glass company could pull off top tier quality glass if they wanted to. It's not like high quality manufacturing and goods never come out of China. It is just that most goods are intended to be as cheap as possible, and that shows. But they can do quality work for any companies that want it. I own some high end pocket knives that are very well made and were priced appropriately, where the manufacturer was done in China.

  • @JohnGuzik
    @JohnGuzik 3 місяці тому

    This will be restricted to LEO/MIL only for years and years. Some company will probably make a different version that has most, but not all, features, in any case, it will still be $5-10 thousand dollars.

  • @sjohnson4882
    @sjohnson4882 3 місяці тому +2

    If anything can go wrong, it will.

    • @Adamjoko
      @Adamjoko 3 місяці тому +3

      Like what? Because even if you break it, you still have a normal optic. A scope is still a scope no matter where the hell it is.

    • @surfingtothestars
      @surfingtothestars 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Adamjoko Murphy's Law

    • @scarwing2492
      @scarwing2492 3 місяці тому

      @@surfingtothestars True, which is why one of the best ways to try to account for Murphy's Law is to have redundancy.

  • @razorback6111
    @razorback6111 3 місяці тому

    Worth noting that this isn’t the same scope Task & Purpose talked about. They were competing projects. That one was made by L3Harris and this one is made by Vortex. They’re similar and they were competing for the same contract but Vortex ultimately won.

  • @marvincasteel4876
    @marvincasteel4876 3 місяці тому

    it doesnt matter "how it looks", it matters how it performs!

  • @The-Angry-Vet
    @The-Angry-Vet Місяць тому

    That will push area out to 900 imagine that paired up with a custom long range large caliber sniper rifle!!!

  • @briandix4633
    @briandix4633 3 місяці тому

    Next step is connect it to smart glasses or some other active eye pro with augmented reality capability to pretty much give you a CoD type hud

  • @ShieldWolf1
    @ShieldWolf1 3 місяці тому

    From the civilian market, check out ATN X-Sight 5 LRF 5-25x. This is available already.

  • @zpfeifferpfeiffer7034
    @zpfeifferpfeiffer7034 3 місяці тому

    With the save target feature. It's a real-life aimbot.

  • @marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938
    @marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938 11 днів тому

    Since we take war to the enemy…it’s also important to get stuff out…if we make it here…one less step in getting material to our soldiers

  • @meadofvalhalla8535
    @meadofvalhalla8535 3 місяці тому

    I’ve been waiting for this. Tech wizards man I tell you what… just think when Marines got ACOGs they got so many head shots they were investigated for executions now replace that scope with this one.

  • @TGProduction220
    @TGProduction220 3 місяці тому

    so it’s essentially like playing a video game now 😂

  • @NottiOne
    @NottiOne 3 місяці тому

    I'm sure they already have sniper long range versions of this scope.

  • @joebenson528
    @joebenson528 3 місяці тому

    This will only take 20 years for regular grunts to receive.

  • @joecrosser9734
    @joecrosser9734 3 місяці тому

    I want to know more about the .50 cal smart round

  • @richardbale3278
    @richardbale3278 3 місяці тому

    I attest to Garand thumb. Only happened once.

  • @anssi9883
    @anssi9883 3 місяці тому

    Good video BUT why is your youtube in white mode?

  • @kenconey
    @kenconey 3 місяці тому

    This incorporate the shoot first kill first approach. However old world tech aka iron site marksmanship is a absolute must.note many professional pilots were killed because they forgot basic flying techniques

  • @Crazyklue
    @Crazyklue 3 місяці тому

    I did I bit a googling and found that the XM157 can reach targets up to 1828m or 1.8km!

  • @NottiOne
    @NottiOne 3 місяці тому

    These have been tested and trialed in the US military for more than a decade from an assortment of companies.

  • @saurrav__01
    @saurrav__01 3 місяці тому +2

    Hey mate love your each and every vedio I would like to say that if u could react to the army related movie it would be really awesome specially American sniper I'm sure u have watched it but I like to see ur reaction please