Royal Marine Reacts To The United Kingdom's Military Rifle - The L85A1
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Brits - non bullpup rifles are too big for CQB, that extra second matters.
Also Brits - it only takes an extra second to cock a bullpup, it doesn't matter.
Perfect balance👌
Best bullpup is the EF88 fullstop
Brits -> that bloke above me? Well to assume makes an ass out of U and me... but I'll assume hes Aussie.
😂😂
In theory it’s about when that extra second is.
An extra second changing a magazine- probably not a big deal
An extra second coming around a corner - might be a problem
You may want to check out the Forgotten Weapons UA-cam channel. Ian McCollum is also quite knowledgeable about firearms. He has several videos on the L85/SA80 including its updates over time. He usually field strips the firearm in question so you can see the major components. Ian sometimes has Jonathan Ferguson of the British Royal Armouries as a guest and they both nerd out on various firearms of the week.
Yup, he’s more on the table, informative with a lot of knowledge and history. Garand is Shooty shoot, info shoot info shooot!
Ian makes a surprise appearance at 25:20 😂
Royal Armouries' Jonathan Ferguson is more knowledgeable when it comes to British guns.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154, one would hope so given his job. That's why Ian and Jonathan collaborate on videos.
Ppp percy hobart. I'm dedicated.
"If you can get good with an SA80, you can get very good with almost any other rifle" -Random British Afghan War vet on Squad
That may very well have been me. I say that shit all the time haha
He actually didnt know about the charging button on the left side of the rifle in his review, he totally missed it. Commenters lit him up for it hahaha
To be completely fair, he only had one day with it and if you’re not told about it it’s very easy to miss.
15:30 ahhh yes, welcome to the Garand Thumb community, where everyone just wants to look at good as Mike when he's kitted out lol
Garand thumb and OriginalHuman what more could you want in life
Correct the Charging Handle or just "Charge" the weapon. Keeps things short & sweet.
Edit: please watch more of his videos? I'm sure he won't mind and he's got PLENTY to learn from!
I’d love to see more reactions to him as well he’s super chill and funny all while making some of the most entertaining and educational videos.
15:35 - Fjällräven (means mountain fox incidentally 😉) is a Swedish brand.
They got their start in my hometown in 1960 so I wanted to correct this.
In case anyone wonders why I bothered to point this out hehe 🙂
From what i've seen, the guntuber guys are happy to have anyone react to their content. They are pretty much all demonitized due to YT anti gun policies, and rely on sponsorships and merch for income. Which has done them well, but, really, any exposure is good exposure for them, that's generally how they see it. I'm just saying, don't feel bad going back for more content, just space it out maybe, hop around.
i find it humorous hearing you say your command encouraged being delicate with the ACOG, when ive kicked the shit out of multiple variants of ACOGs and the most damage ive done is remove paint.
Right, I’ve always heard people describe ACOGs as just absolute tanks. When people do torture testing it’s common to break the rifle before they break the optic lmao.
I am by no means an expert. However, I have shot the A2 a lot in the Army Cadets. And yes, on the left side of the rifle, there is a bolt release catch that you push down with the left thumb to release the working parts foward. Additionally, on the right side, the little green catch is the 'hold open device' that you push down when you have pulled the working parts to the rear to consequently hold them back.
That's probably a first production SA80. One of the ones that were sold / given to our friends.
It doesn't have the revised trigger late 80s i think and it looks like it still has the melty cheek piece and no Mag catch guard. He's running colt mags which were replace with the Radway green ones because the colts caused stoppages and the susat is difftent looks like one from the XL60 .
You should check out his "what it sounds like to get shot at video" absolute mad lads. Also "how to evade a professional military" goes hard
I carried the good ol M4, but I have always fkn loved the look of these.
It looks stupid Especially the plastic
A true tattoo artist eh? Hehehe
Garand in Garand Thumb is named after the US M1 Garand rifle from WWII, the same rifle with the iconic "ping" when the En-Block clip ejects from the rifle. It is a semi-automatic rifle with 8 round clips that fired 30-06 (thirty-aught-six).
More specifically, the injury you get from mishandling the loading process.
I was hard targeting out a police station in West Belfast and the mag fell off rounds and spring all over the place not good, H&K did a good job on the L85A3
The funniest part is he was a special forces combat survival instructor who worked with British soldiers throughout his career.
Who GT?
Thatcher needed some work going on to make the Royal Ordinance sale happen, also they were told to make the SA80 it cheaper, hence metal stampings and cheap plastic, magazines , springs and firing pins. KS1 is like a Rolls Royce M4 type design, think its about $9000 compared to about $1100 for Colt M4. Barrel is hammer forged and ground before the rifling cut , chrome lined for extended life.
Forgotten Weapons has a series of videos about the L85A1 system including the lmg and the carbine.
Definitely check out the Trench Warfare video with the 2 guys fighting the Russians one was British funny line "drops'em like a sack of shit" with accent lol
Way I understand it, when the L85 was first rolled out, Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield was being shut down, and _everyone_ working there knew it - one can imagine what that did to the morale of the factory workers as well as QC. The mindset was, "we're losing our jobs no matter what, so why should _we_ care if the rifle works".
Luke blushing when the RM got a shoutout was so wholesome. xD
I liked that I could have my finger resting on the safety and know it's safe. And it's a fast action to press the safety my finger is already resting on and then fire.
Bro, you look just like a kid while watching them put it through its paces. Gotta love it !
You ought to check out Garand Thumb’s video on the Knight’s Armament SR-15. It’s pretty much the same gun as is being issued to the Royal Marines. There are some differences but most of them are pretty minor, with the main differences being a further improved bolt and a different barrel profile on the KS-1.
The intro to this was absolute gold 🤣
Fond and bad memories of the A1. I still think the A1 is the be looking SA80.
The new front grip I hate as I know having shorter arms it would be a hindrance to me. Also the C grip that came into fashion after my time, would of drove me made.
Left hand just lay directly in front of the trigger guard, touching it. I doubting your be allowed today.
Stoppages wasn't that often unless you were really snapping at the trigger.
I have a soft spot for the A1, the SUSAT.
I recall having a stoppage as we was advancing forward once. I couldn't clear get the round out the breach, or move the charging handle in any direction. I was lay on my back as rounds was flying, with the rifle between my legs, using my heel to try and rake the charging hand down. It worked!! and I carried on.
All the bad things about the weapon, the bullpup is the best design of a rifle. It's short and all the weight is at the rear, so it's less fatiguing to patrol in the ready position. Also the weapon can be manipulated very easily with one hand, making getting in and out tight spaces very easily.
Was excited to see this after the first one you werched feom him. Bith of your channels are go toos for me. 😁
More garandthumb please, its the best reaction content on your channel by far in my opinion. Also keep in mind A LOT of people have most likely seen his videos already and want to hear/see your reaction and perspective. Don't worry about "farming" his content, his channel is alive and well lol. Probably introducing people to his channel as well, your viewers get amazing content, it's a win win for everyone in my mind.
It became the A 3 after H&K fixed it the A3 was first issued in 2018, I had the a1 in 2001
it became the A2 after H&K fixed it due to BAE basically owning them at time and the goverment took a contract out with them , that was in 2000 though lol - A3 was a late afghanistan / post afghan upgrade
@@RossKyle95 harry sounds like stolen valor 😂💀
Was in the Army Cadet Force for 6 years, and I was doing the exact same thing with my hands with my eyes closed, but I was performing an NSP 😂 In my head, i was saying:
- Safety catch to safe
- left hand over
- cocking handle to the rear and press hold open catch
- 6 point check
- press bolt release catch
-forward assist
- safety catch to fire and squeeze trigger
- safety catch to safe
- sights and dust cover
Can only imagine how engrained it is for someone who actually served 😅
The L129A1 DMR is a Lewis Machine and Tool AR-10 platform. Phenomenal guns, LMT rifles are some of the best on the market. Many gun owners will even buy their bolt carriers for their rifles, including AR-15's simply due to their quality. Brits made a good choice adopting them.
I was waiting for this moment @18:40 and it did not disappoint LMAO
I believe ACOG with the RMR was a stop-gap until we adopted Elcan Specter OS4 with RMR on the A2. That went onto the A3 too but they then also added ARILLS (Assault Rifle In-Line Low Light Sight). A3 also had a different handguard again, very similar to what's on the HK416.
Yeah your right and the A3 has a free floating barrel I think and also some of the internals were updated. Also what he said about the bolt release that puts a round back into the chamber, it is on the other side on all rifles. The way the Garand thumb was doing it was wrong every time he reloaded.
Did anyone else lose audio partway through the video?
Yes! About the 13 to the 14 minute mark.
Probably to get around copyright.
yeah had me wondering.
✋
Much love lad , thanks for making content, you allways keep it entertaining and I Appreciate that . 🎃👍
Welyn! :D
American here.
I know the l85a1 has problems but damn I still want one
I took was 16, and I love the bullpup design. All the weight is all at the rear making it's comfy to patrol in the ready state. Also the weapon is easy to manipulate one handed.
The weapon was very accurate. I used the A1 for 4 years, I can't recall any melting issues, but we'd never be full auto for long enough. It would get capped in carbon, very quickly.
Hate that front handle. And loved the C clamp crap fad wasn't a thing in the 90s.
The A1 mag release was simple to clean because it was so exposed. Which was its main issue, as you could in theory release your mag by accident. I don't recall ever seeing it tho. But I may have
my dad was in the parachute regiment for 12 yrs, he wasn't hugely keen on the sa80 given all the jamming, loved the gpmg tho
clearly one is a battle rifle and one is a section gun lol, just commenting on it. Plus they r now switching out the sa80 line for the ks1
The banter between Brits and Americans always warms my heart lol
Can't tell if I laughed more at the video at the start or your reactions. It was very interesting to see how these weapons were made, the reasons they were liked and disliked and how they worked. Thank you! I will definitely check out his channel.
Brother you reacting to this video is what I didn't know I needed in life 😂 thank you so much liked and subscribed and respect from the other side of the pond 🇺🇸
There's an absolute ton of firearms that Garand Thumb has covered so I'd definitely be looking forward to seeing ya watch more of 'em.
Like someone already said, Forgotten weapons is another great channel that does a lot more breakdowns of the weapon system as a whole and the internals if you're interested in that.
Always love your content man.
Since you liked GT’s Sig XM7 video, you might watch his latest; ‘The Compact SIG SPEAR ASSAULTER K’.
A lot of the questions you asked in the XM7 video are answered in the Assaulter video.
Lastly, I’m a U.S. Navy vet and in ‘09 I spent 10 days underway aboard HMS Ocean. Had a fantastic time with Her Majesty’s Sailors and Marines and learned a ton. Thanks for your service 🇺🇸⚓️🇬🇧
Ian from Forgotten weapons might have a video of the history and disassemble of the riffle …. These gun Chanel’s always come hand in hand and they respect each other when reviewing guns
Garand Thumbs Ukraine video is must. Long video, but a must.
A humble request for epicness, any way you could hook up with Ed Marsh (a fellow Brit) in Utah and take his "Little Willy" north to run a course of fire with Garand Thumb? Guns, off roading and comedy gold.
when you run out of rounds the handle was already back just mag off in dump pouch then new mag on hit the button on the left and tap forward assist if that was sop
35:13 I'm remembering some form of quick release for the charge handle, but youre really playing with my mind if it was there, or under the dust cover, on the other side. I'm almost 25 years out.
After you photo, yes you are correct. That's how you release the the charge handle, and you'd only have to reach over to give it a forward assist "love tap", or to close the dust cover.
It's been almost 25 years, and if I close my eyes, I can feel the weapon in my arms, if I start going through the drills. Even feel it in my left forearm and right shoulder. Your muscle memory never leaves you. Even when your muscles have.
The original SA80, the one with the rounded cocking handle got double feed jams all the time, the improved version with the curved handle was much better and never had a problem with it. But you wonder how it could ever have been recommended for service in the first place?
I think I fired a Sharpshooter with the SF on an exercise in the sand on one occasion.
sound is muted in video around 13:04 min mark btw until the 14:00
It's Garand like Garage.
Garand Thumb is a slang term for loading the American rifle, the M1 Garand, when if you weren't fast enough shoving the stripper clip into the rifle, the bolt carrier would slam shut on your thumb, in some cases fracturing it, giving you a swollen thumb tip, aka the Garand Thumb.
British man discovered Flanel Daddy... noice! I highly recommend Garand's video about AN-94 Abakan, pretty much a "white crow" russian rifle, that somehow was reactivated in the US, and Mike just shot the heck out of it.
If I had access to this rifle, I definitely would of been yelling in a British accent just like him lol.
Honestly seeing him do a video with Garand Thumb and have him test all the major Bullpup Rifles would be awesome to see, and him seeing which one he thinks is better then the one he was trained on.
I guess the line up of rifles would be.
Aug
Famas
Tavor
Hellion
Sp2000
L85
I'm sure I missed a few but still would be awesome to have him compared them at once.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone charge the weapon with there right hand. Mag in, tap, rewatch over and charge weapon all with left hand. Never taking your hand of the pistol grip.
This is the A1, metal charge handle (that was know to trap rounds in the chamber), and wider trigger,( that got I've stuck behind it easily)
We had the A1 for about 10 years iirc. I never recall using the a2 when I served. But remember playing with one about 2004 and it had the tear drop charging handle cover. Obviously performed better, but I like the look of the A1 the best.
On the A2 The bolt release catch was on the left and on the right was the Holding Open Catch
Yeah, I saw the original and at the end just thought "Yep, now do it left handed".
Apparently it was nicknamed the 'Civil Servant' because it didn't work and couldn't be fired.
Just got down to this vid after Demo's AK50 vid. Didn't think about it till you mentioned stripping down the SA80, but you deffoes need to check out Brandon Herrera's stuff. He's a gun engineering nerd and does that with all of his vids on how they work. Think you will love his content. His humour is on point, from the memes, reviews and cursed gun images. As his final day of running for congress is today, go show him some love chief!
Can anyone confirm that British Army manual of arms for the SA80 includes a 'forward assist' instruction after releasing the bolt? Like the mainspring is not quite strong enough to push a round into battery? Heard that in a pub...made me laugh.
Garand Thumb is such a king. We need more reactions to him!
The susat wasnt replaced quickly I was on from mid 1985 to 2008 it had a good 23 year run.
The A1 ran from 1985 to 2002. But full roll out was only completed in 2006. So the A1 lasted 21 years in service with the RM.
So every always says they changed it quickly. I know military worl slow, but 20 years is slow in anyone's book.
The A3 was more an evolution change than a strict overhaul revolution of the weapon.
About the full auto... our M4s have 3 rnd burst... I never once used it. Lol
3 round burst is also an extremely stupid idea.
@@LiteralCrimeRavenot really
@@ej_22Eugene stoner would disagree. He said himself either a 2 round or 4-5 round burst would be better, as normally on a 3 round burst, the third round is off target because of recoil
I thought the army fully switched over the M4A1 by now. Or are you USAF OR USN?
@@CharlieFoxtrot128 was army, 07-12
Had the A1 for 10yrs in the RE, (pre-Army, I used to earn overtime manufacturing SUSAT body bits).
Never failed marksman level, even podium'd in the millenium commonwealth forces 2000 comp at Bisley.
But I loathed it. I remember my mate hitting the mag release on his webbing crossing a ring road in Germany, mag fell out, 10 rounds pinged out all over the gaff.
Some you could hold the pistol grip and wobble the upper half ffs
In terms of the engineering, the trigger pull on a bullpup is longer than a standard layout rifle
The bolt release on the left side is the little square about the change lever (fire selector)
I know we all have our own takes on things that can be heavily influenced from our training and the person knowledge and experience of our training team and sgt. I fell for the usual rhetoric until my Platoon weapons sgt, Beswick told me when I was dripping about being the dm and given a LSW which is an sa80 with the bipod and the long barrel that it was really accurate and I should be engaging guys upto 5 600 meters and more and I realised it was him giving me a chuck up as a shooter. The SA80 A1 is the ginger headed step kid its the one that really got the bad rep for good reason. The A2 is another story its a really decent weapon and it doesn't suffer from regural stoppages, its accurate and its fluid af when you get good at it. The susat "iron sights" aren't really iron sights they're called EBS Emergency Battle Sight. Its for absolute shit hits fan and you need to shoot roughly in the direction of an enemy and can't use the SUSAT. Lots of the inner parts are changed and the springs and parts were sprayed red. Its honestly a fine battle rifle, The A1 wasn't. The SA80 A2 is fine enough to be a good rifle in the right hands but if you weren't familiar with it it would be awkward as hell. There's something still clunky enough about it that it made me good in other areas, when you pickup fine tuned weapons after something like this you feel like you could shoot God's right nad.
Next video you should react is F2000 the fish gun
Hey its captain price.
Britain: lets see if we can be cheap like soviet union with t-34s
my application for the army is still going through and I've never much liked the SA80 and wasn't looking forward to training with it but i had no idea we had a new rifle on the way :D
Only a limited issue basically Royal marines and the new UK Rangers
@@FGYT1 and just like that my joy is crushed
@@noblesix2195 it's what you get used to. The A1 was dogshit but there was nothing wrong with the A2.
Check out Grand Thumb's- General Dynamic's RM277 please 👏
My brother brother the charging handle when in the cadets. He was using a cadet version and simulating auto fire and yanked it out/off 😂
36:22 the version you showed there is the L85A3 which I think is currently in service
That looks more like an airsoft replica if I'm honest. Also we have changes the handguard from Keymod to MLOK
I totally get not wanting to freeload by reacting to his whole channel but you should at least do his ice torture test videos, they are wild! Love to see you checking him out though, two of my absolute favorite channels together!
You are so right. How did this get selected. I didn't have the worst time with it, but seeing as Ireland went with the Steyr AUG , it begs the question, why didn't we? If we wanted bullpup , the AUG is definitely superior to the SA80. Great reaction, chap!
Designed by committee, driven by national pride and manufactured to a budget by an armaments company which was constantly on strike, demotivated and couldn't give a monkeys. I present you with the L85A1.
The amount of money the UK has now spent on keeping each weapon in service is absolutely wild. We would have been cheaper with gold plated M4's.
@@stormblooper good thing A2 and A3 are 1000x better at cost of taxpayers money eh haha , nah but seriously modern variants are leagues above most ar15 platforms in accuracy plus from what i was told my by my lance sergeant in training - that extra weight was handy in afghan waddies when they had to bash taliban with them haha
Forgotten weapons covered the history and yeh the answer is basically it was designed and built by a factory/company that was being sold by the government where everyone was loosing their jobs so no gave a shit, pretty much they only reason the adoption went through is because the government thought they could sell the company for a higher price if it had a active contract from them (the SA80).
is it weird that i want a video of Flannel Daddy reacting to this reaction video!
18:40 Love your reaction.
A lot of units are still using the A2’s with susats 😂 I’ve seen an a3 once 😂 you were also right the bolt release was on the left it’s that little square
They paid H&K a lot of money to fix the A3. H&K borrowed VERY heavily from the old Armalite AR-18 to develop the G-36. Sterling had a license to make the AR-18 back in the day and they borrowed heavily from the AR-18 to design the bullpup. The AR-18 was sort of a commercial failure (because of its proprietary magazines), but a LOT of countries have copied it since for their rifles. Singapore, Austria (the AUG), the UK, France (the FAMAS), Germany, teh Czech Republic (the Bren and Bren 2), and some companies in the US (Robinson Arms, Bushmaster, Brownells). Now a lot are going to issue Germany's HK416, which is a version of the AR-15 with their own design of gas system. Even the US Marines are issuing a version of M416, phasing out the M-249 and the M-4 so every Marine can provide suppressive fire.
I'm glad you are enjoying Garand Thumb. His videos are always great. I really liked your commentary on the SA80 too.
Garand Thumb puts a ton of effort in to his April Fools videos, would highly recommend watching them if you enjoyed his videos so far.
There is a bolt release on the left side, it's the small ,square nub just behind the magwell. Both Mike and yourself seem to have missed it though haha
25:00 If I recall correctly, there was a bolt release on the same side of the weapon as the mag release, it was a square nubbin you pulled down to release the bolt. Or it was supposed to be there, although apparently that was one of the parts prone to breaking.
Never had any issues with the A2, I've hit targets at 400 m with it.
Go check out garand thumb. Your concerns with the sig as a long rifle for close quarter Combat It is nine inches this new us rifle it is called sig spear assault mk18
I think if they're going through doors and checking corners, that will be great 👍
If you love the L129, I'm betting you'd like the AR/M16/M4 family as well as other rifles based off of them such as the HK 416, and others.
We just need to focus on the ks-1 to be honest
@@badlypronouncednamehouston46 The Ks-1 is a sexy rifle tbh
Now, I know you have just discovered Garand Thumb. But if you enjoy knowledge and humour, check out Paul Harrell. He isn't well atm. But his back catalogue is amazing and I would like to see what you think about his work.
36:35 the image you pulled up is an airsoft gun lol bottom of the mag has a spin wheel for feeding bbs
I qualified on iron sites at 500 yards on the AI. I got an A2 with a SOUSAT when I went on OP Telic. If I had a SOUSAT in training, my life may have turned out a lot better.
or grippods / with newer elcan sights now haha , SUSAT was alright from my experiences with it though
Hand guard and charging handle.
Not “front plastic bit” or “cocking handle”
It wasn't too bad.. well, apart from the whole stoppage when it became exposed to ammunition thing.
The only thing better than watching a Garand Thumb video is watching a Royal Marine watching a Garand thumb video?
the splendid bit always gets me lol
You really do need to watch garand thumb on the new mk18. After doing the mcx spear video it’s kind of integral to it. Btw as an owner of the mcx spear in 308 yeah it’s hefty but it’s a hell of a good rifle but it’s $4200 USD
A mad trained soldier should be deadly with any weapon system. Especially when your issued weapon is subpar.
I loved using the A1 and A2 when I was in the Rifles great solid weapon, but like you said its probably cus your so used to fiing it
13:02 - 14:04 audio issues brother
Same here
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