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The US Military's New Smart Optic that Aims For You. The XM-157
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- The US Army has selected the XM-157 to work along side many new weapon systems including the X-M5 NGSW. This new optic from Vortex has a feature that ranges and calculates your exact hold to achieve first round impacts. The hold is displayed within the optic. The technology is incredible and we're excited to bring you this review.
00:00 XM-157
01:40 XM-157 Overview begins
04:22 What is the fire control on this optic?
09:33 What does the reticle look like?
19:00 What weapons does this work on?
25:00 next gen features
28:20 final thoughts
For the purpose of this video, this is a semi automatic weapon utilizing 20 round magazines. All shooting was conducted on a closed private range.
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The optic knows where to aim at all times. It knows this because it knows where not to aim.
The meme lives
😂
@@GarandThumb lol 😆
-Sun Tzu probably
So if i do zig-zag it will still targeting me?
"It's like Battlefield, except scary because it's real." This is a defining moment for the future of optics.
Absolutely terrifying statement but awesome
except the futuristic optics in battlefield are actually worse and have less features than the ones we have in real life right now. pathetic
@@1337skillzor Because game devs realize how unbalanced this is - but soldiers are actually going to face this. Damn scary indeed.
I imagine the next step is integrating this with Augmented Reality goggles to put that same icon up for everyone in a unit. Also just tying the optic itself into those goggles so you can aim without actually looking through the scope.
@@1337skillzor Video game optics often seem to top out at like 8x magnification. Its so dumb.
I remember when Vortex first started. For years they were always the other guy in the room. A optic that was cheaper but well worth the money. I always said keep an eye on these guys as everything they made was an improvement on what they already had. Then they started making stuff that was an improvement on what almost everyone made. Now they have this. Kudos to you guys from a long time user
Now if only they can get their pistol red dots worth it then they will be the best company on the market.
Always loved them for the lifetime warranty
I have some Vortex binoculars and am very impressed
I have been using Vortex optics from the begining. I have owned almost everything in their line up (26-30) optics from cheap scopes and red dots to the top of the line optics they make. What sold me was the unpresidented warranty they offered at the time. After having a failure rate of over 50 percent even with scopes in the $2400-$2700 dollar range I no longer own anything Vortex except for a spotting scope. They have a great warranty with alot of lousy products and a lot of lousy glass. For red dots holosun and Sig offer less expensive options that are better. For scopes in the low to mid tier range Arken offers way better scopes. They are more robust, better glass, better price, and better tracking. On the high end there are lots of options that are as good or better but Vortex is actually competitive at that level. For range finders Sig has better offerings for less money. Also the industry has changed thanks to Vortex warranty. Now many companies are offering similar warranties.
I can't find the invention date or patent date, all public promotion videos dates show this was actually made by someone else in another company and not Vortex. by like year early. google it yourself and please tell me if you find anywhere that show who made this sight idea first and who ripped it off or bought the idea. start with smart shooter LTD.
I like at the end when he casually mentions you can save up to 10 targets and the host just instantly kind of loses focus and becomes increasingly visibly concerned.
Just wait until directors can spot from drones 50000 ft in the air and relay all of the data they're getting directly to operators heads up display
@@re-dacted. Future combat systems raising from the dead.
Yeah as he was explaining the idea of saved targets he was still kindof stunned that this was now reality.
@@Ormusn2othe thing about anything futuristic is half the time you keep trying to break through barriers that just aren’t ready to be broken.
But when tech starts to advance on its own and different concepts can be mapped together, thats when truly futuristic shit starts to happen
you can’t force change- you can only accept it when it presents itself
@@JA-lr5ix That is partially true, but you can force change. In times of great need, revolutionary things were made because there was a specific push in that direction. Examples would be Project Manhattan, Covid 19 vaccines and GPT-1. Those were much ahead of their time and were extremely expensive and their success was not guaranteed. Similar with Elon musk and SpaceX. At the time of Lockheed and Boeing merger, insane rise of price to space and even losing capability to space, there was one man who tried to revolutionize the industry. It seems that same thing happened with XM-157, a tech that is off the shelf and already being in use for a long time in Abrams tanks, was consolidated into this relatively cheap optic, ready for mass production.
“Don’t belittle people for things that they had no opportunity to learn”
Man… what a great advice
Tell that to my math teacher
@@bajamike3803 Pretty sure you've gotten lots of opportunities to learn
sure, sure... it's not like he was talking about his teacher who belittled somebody (it's not even clear if it was bajamike) -- which is kind of a style for school and some university scumbags of teachers -- and not about opportunities this teacher gave. lmao
What's even greater is that the Golden Rule has existed since forever. The idea of treating others with kindness and respect should not come as a revelation to you or anyone else.
That said, I have failed at this, as has everyone else for the entirety of man's existence. Such is life and in the pursuit of continuous personal improvement, the best you can hope for is to learn your lessons along the way.
@@gunsandcommissions of course! Its just that this one hit me a little different. You take these rules granted sometimes especially when you’re all caught up in your own problems/daily life
For the record, this is more or less the infantry version of an M1 Abrams' fire control suite, which was so phenomenally accurate that crews started referring to their ammunition storage as stowed kills.
@Team USA Hence infantry version. In terms of capabilities it's a fairly similar jump from the previous tech in use.
think more about some older jets aiming device - radar measure distance and show calculated aiming point on a display (for unguided missiles/autocannon)
Fcs in tanks are totally insane. Mirror stabilized thermal optics, point track,contrast tracking, auto full lead on the move calculations. Totally different class
@@griffinfaulkner3514 It's really not. It's literally just gluing a rangefinder to a christmas tree BDC and having the rangefinder automatically highlight the appropriate elevation dot.
@Team USA infantry aren't firing 3+ km. It doesn't need to be as sophisticated for 5.56, 7.62, and 6.8mm rifles. But it does apply *similar* capabilities. As a tanker, using an LRF and applying environmental variables also brought to mind the Abrams FCS
Interesting....let's see Paul Allen's scope.
Lol your so right this dude gives me those vibes
underrated comment, even alexander's voice sounds like patrick
Came down to make this comment lmao
I guess if all your infantry have aimbot it doesn't matter if they are carrying less ammo. Will be interesting to see how the whole NGSW ecosystem works in the field.
@@Riorozenit won't hold up because that's not really how combat works. It's not like soldiers are missing all the time and constantly see their enemies. They're just supressing eachother until the other side gets wiped out by another team or artillery. Sort of.
Wait until they integrate AI into these systems, I give it 10 years at most.
Zerg rush can be always a thing, and however rare there's still need for volume fire.
@@footingball5566Why is trench warfare taking place right now in the most advanced war that’s ever occurred if artillery can simply destroy the enemy?
@@thraxberserker9960 what do you think is one of the reasons they use trenches in the first place? It's artillery fire. If your position is revealed to advanced artillery you're pretty much dead but the trenches protect you from frag. The main reason they use trenches is because Ukraine is pretty flat but most importantly because they can't gain land or air superiority easily. When the west has been fighting in wars against terrorists and insurgents, they don't really need trenches because they always have pretty much total air superiority and much more firepower overall. They also haven't typically met artillery. Trench warfare is a symptom of lots of artillery and about equal force on each side
This optic is so advanced that I am not even suprised if it has a built in Air Fryer on it
🤣🤣🤣
It also compiles all your kills into a frag montage and posts it automatically on your tiktok and youtube shorts account
or even coffee machine for troops
That's optional for a one time offer of $19.99, if ordered in the next ten minutes.
So chicken nuggets while at the range!
When I was in the Corps we had 2 ACOGS and 1 Rangefinder for the platoon. AND WE HAD TO SHARE THE RANGEFINDER.
How long ago was that ?
@@rickywoods3101 This was before those damn Split Lips attacked New Mombasa.
I had peep sights and BCGs.
Sharing is caring brother.
i threw rocks at high velocitys at the enemy, those rocks also exploded? not sure what that was about
I wish I had this while I was still in the Army. Just amazing and solid investment by the Army and that's not said often.
Is this actually in service?
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 on top tier units probably, it'll be a while before infantry sees this
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 by the time the army puts out something new they’ll roll it out to select units for testing in small numbers, normally higher tier units, and if it does good then they’ll implement it army wide but that always takes years and years, for reference i when I went through basic training a lot of the drill sgts were still adjusting to the M4 since they were initially trained with the M16, even with the new pt test it took years to roll that out army wide, with a weapon system it’ll take significantly longer since they have to test it, train all the training NCOs like drill sgts and they will have to train the new people coming in so don’t expect to see this wide spread for along time, I’ll probably be out of the army before I even see this in real life
if i had to guess probably new recruits are gonna get these way before you guys sadly @@Ryan-cv9ww
@@marcusbevz6500 Xm7 will probably be treated like a DMR.
garand being an absolute child and giggly is the best part of the video. Not some boring information video, it shows the audience that this man has shot everything and anything under the sun and to have him be so excited sold me on this optic whenever its available for civilian use :D
30:11 “Don’t belittle people for things that they had no opportunity to learn” What a legend. I wasn't expecting that level of philosophy on an optics video.
'philosophy'
‘Russia good guys’
Mega based
@@user-ef6gv4wv1l philopticaly
Gigachad and "I had a good father figure" vibes
The fact that he could go from shooting a 1x range target, to a 200(yd?) to a 700 with no significant change in aiming time was.... wild. Terrifyingly wild
1-200 even 300 yards is not impressive. I do that regularly with a 1-6 LPVO SIG MSR. 700yards is impressive.
"Terrifyingly wild" should be their slogan.
@@luckymanham302
Exactly lol, I shoot 100-500 yards with a fixed 2.5 prism with zero time needed for special aiming. Only after 500 do you lower to another dot, and that takes about .001 seconds. This sight is over priced garbage.
@@carsonhunt4642 when you think about how many hours an infantryman gets behind his rifle, this sight will definitely help improve accuracy at longer ranges compared to what they have now. Just because you can spend alot of time behind your rifle and know exactly what your doing doesn't mean this SIGHT is overpriced garbage.
@@luckymanham302 He's saying that transition from the shorter ranges to the much longer range is the scary part. And he's right.
"it's like battlefield but really scary because it's real."
Quote of the year
Theoretically, you could also incorporate some kind of IFF system for infantry to use through their optics. That would make friendly fire incidents less likely too. That would be pretty neat.
I disagree. You should learn the fundamentals of shooting first anyway before ever touching this optic. It is merely a tool to help touch farther targets more accurately. It's no different than putting a longer barrel on your rifle for the same purpose. You still have to aim and fire. The scope doesn't do that for you. The skill is still all up to the operator. You've got to actually think about it, its not some magic scope that makes you hit your target. It just gives you the info you would need a little bit faster. Things like wind and elevation matter a lot, and the less you have to calculate yourself the better, not to mention faster. The purpose is not to turn the average infantryman into a marksman, but to enhance the hit capabilities at longer distances.
@@beefnutt3524 bro look at his name its no wonder he thinks infantry shouldn't have it
@@DoolyCoolynot sure you grasp the basics, as git gud may sound cool in video game antics, if we got it, they got it. Not deploying it places us at disadvantage.
what if you need to shoot deserters at close range because they start retreating? /s
@@CRIZZZLPT why do you think most Russians still use iron sights
Holy shit. This with thermal and NV would be absolutely terrifying. This is legitimately groundbreaking, the biggest force multiplier in my lifetime.
@@alb9520 combine it with hyper stealths invisibility technology they are working on you literally have predator
Meh nobody will ever see this
Burris has had this for almost a decade.
The question everyone is forgetting is how are us civilians supposed to compete ?
@@alb9520 well considering 95% of engages will be under 500 yards and landing shots on targets from 500 yards and below is extremely easy even for a 10 year old.
I don’t really see how the auto aim would really help unless we’re talking about thousand yard shots and then we are just getting into ridiculous levels that are unrealistic.
“Training is more important than gear!”
Vortex: *challenge accepted*
Nah, training is always numero uno.
@@RealKlausSchwab this optic based on what I have seen could turn children into lethal marksmen in almost no time
It will only get better. With nano technology like hyper stealth invisibility and optics like this sniper school could literally just become, how to use this scope and put on your uniform.
@@RealKlausSchwab i agree, was just joking around haha
Burris has had a series of scopes called Eliminator that has performed similar function as well, current model, Eliminator IV i believe, is capable of 2000yd range finding and function. Glad to see Vortex has them as well!
I have the Eliminator IV and it's deadly accurate on my 6.5 Creedmoor. It's not cheap but I wonder how much this Vortex is going for?
Sig has their BDX system also. Yes it's separate. But it atleast let's the range finder communicate to the scope computer and uses the ballistics you chose and imput to display a holdover red dot. Split sec and the ballistic is figured out. Uses linked info from weather and alt also.
I have an eliminator 3. Works very well. Always thought why they didn't offer to military. Also has a great retical that can be used if battery drops dead.
Funny because for a fraction of the price ATN has one that’s similar that works well enough
@@PerXCollatatm laser isnt as accurate and is visible under nods
This needs to have a hitmarker effect (the sound is a bonus too)
You are obviously joking BUT it wouldnt be so bad if an idea to give the shooter some kind of indication when the bullet was expected to impact to make it that little but easier to look for signs of hit/miss.
"It's like Battlefield but it's really scary" best line ever but also a lot deeper and philosophical than intended.
More deep and philosophical than actually using it in the first place?
Came here to say the same. You can even tell how shook Mike was too explaining it.
@@TheJayddub sure, Mike as we know is a talented shooter, but this sight dramatically increases the potential of any shooter using it. And that capability is cool and scary at the same time when you look at the possibilities it unlocks that aren't shown here.
The fact this technology has existed in pieces for decades at this point but only now can be miniaturized and combined into a rifle scope is just incredible.
Or it's small enough to fit in the frame of a robot and energy efficient enough to not draw a lot of amperage over time allowing that drone more time in action .
You got the Burris eliminator 4, same concept with out all the fancy bells and whistles.
Yoogle Steiner
@@chriscarnes87 I disagree, I think the difference between this practical and usable device and everything that came before it is just like the difference between a modern jet fighter and the first ones. They're worlds apart as far as capabilities go, you can't reasonably compare them at all.
the incredible part is that it took this long...
The Swarovski dS is a 5-25x52 scope that does the same (minus the IR and augmented stuff). You can range your target with the scope and it calculates and shows your shooting solution in real time. But the package Vortex delivered here is simply amazing.
Almost 3M subs! Proud American right now, that's a rare feeling these days and I've missed it dearly. Thanks for the work you put into this channel, man. Absolute legend.
I think the moment at 27:50 is by far the most impressive thing I have ever seen. Transferred to a target at 701m, instantly lazed it, and got not only first, but multiple consecutive round impacts, which made it seem effortless. Just insane.
Agreed. Imagine when China has this, or we leave them to nahtzis in Ukraine....
@@RealKlausSchwab Vatnik.
@@Vhalikuporamee447 what's that mean?
@@RealKlausSchwab It's used by people who unabashedly swallow Western propaganda against those they perceive as believing Russian propaganda.
@@RealKlausSchwab Respectfully, all of Vortex's stuff is made in China, just like Olight and others. I realize the rep said the glass is US manufacturing, but where are the parts sourced?
Hats off to the engineers at Vortex, this is simply brilliant.
How's this really any different than the optic Remington did over a decade ago for the Remington 2020? Accomplishes nearly the same thing.
@@Ratkill9000 Vortex optics have survived grunt use before this point in time? I can't say the same for Remington optics.
@@SlavicCelery Have they though?
@@Theman3806 I've seen a heck of a lot of photos and videos with vortex stuff being used, in the past. I've heard vets vouch for them. I can't say that about any Remington optics. Also with the IR laser stuff, it's going to replace half of a PEQ unit.
Pretty sure the Remmy option isn't also a PEQ unit as well.
@@Ratkill9000 or the Burris or Bushnell Eliminator (i might have the name wrong) that a co-worker of mine has been using for hunting for a few years now. Does the same thing and works well for him.
It was amazing how quick it took him to acquire the target, call out the 699 and pull the trigger at that range was almost the same time frame of close engagement time.
When I saw this in the new COD I thought they were taking some artistic leaps but to see that this thing is real??? CRAZY!
Which optic is this in-game? How did they name it in COD?
@@anudewilliams4788 Raptor-FVM40
@@barretthall875 thank you
@@barretthall875 The Raptor is basically a Burris Eliminator, not one of these.
As a former tanker i feel like this is just so so right. Having the capability from an abrams to immediately engage a target with a reliable computer is a part of what has made our craft so lethal. Giving infantry this kind of capability is a true game changer on the battlefield. Vortex, you have outdone yourselves and you should be beyond proud of what you’ve accomplished. Hope i can play with this as a old and busted civilian one day.
Tanker here too. Honestly I think this is a 10x bigger advancemdnt than the rest of the NGSW. I'd love to have a smaller/lighter version, maybe 1-4 or 1-6x on M4's as well especially if it could replace the PEQ.
I don't know whether to be proud and happy, or scared shitless.
I disagree. The problem is our military is controlled by psychopaths that have systematically liberalized it. They will be used on citizens. It’s only a matter of time. That’s exactly why “the people” are supposed to be as well armed. Gee, I wonder why those very same psychopaths who control the military want to disarm us.
Former M1/M1A1 tanker. Having an muzzle reference sensor, crosswind sensor on a tank was a big deal back in the 90s not to mention an LRF. Now on a rifle scope along with atmospheric conditions? Absolutely game changing for a crunchy.
Exact same toughts. It's interesting how this is in line with history, usually things first appear on tank and then get miniaturized enough to be given to infantry, starting from radio all the way to range finders and termals. The funny question is, what's next?
The moment Mike is saving multiple target ranges and he's left speechless- awesome.
Ya
Awesome video. Awesome optic. Great Dad advice from the Vortex rep, too.
In a past life I was a specifier and designer of sport optics for Swift Instruments, now known as Swift Sport Optics. I had the pleasure and from a competitive standpoint the "displeasure" of seeing a former distributor able to go out on its own and build the Vortex brand. I assume that most of this optical system is now home grown, but both our companies were fortunate enough to work with the great folks at Shinhan optics in South Korea. Fast forward and Vortex is now a leader in recreational, law enforcement and military optics. Hats off to them. I think they started somewhere in 2006-07 and the growth has been nothing short of stellar. It only makes sense they be paired with the SIG M5 to produce this outstanding weapon for our military. Got to say I dreamed of path Vortex has taken back in the early 2000s, and I applaud them from the sidelines, because I do miss the tech. It gets in your blood. 🤔
This optic was by far the piece I was most interested in with the next generation weapon program. If it gets mass produced, improved, and becomes standard issue... wow. People are excited for the SPEAR, but this optic is what's got my interest.
What do you estimate will be the price on this?
@@santanagamingcinema Probably as expensive as your liver
@@santanagamingcinema if I were to guess I would say at least 2.5k
This optic in combination with the 6.8 will be devastating on the battlefield. Especially when they start integrating thermal imaging.
Finally, a solid step in combat dominance for our forces. It's been a while.
The reason this tech is so amazing is the connectivity. The idea that you can have an entire squadron syncing waypoints, targets, friendlies in what they are calling “augmented reality mode” makes this thing absolutely insane.
war is increasingly fought by engineers
@@kevinyoung9243 always has been.
@@kabloosh699 always will be 🫡
You kids in here are so cringe 😂
That's just a politically correct term for LSD mode.
Glad to see the batteries are easily accessible and intuitive. Good call.
Awesome video. Thank you.
The fact this can be on a M2 Browning and survive means immediate target acquisition. That's alot of firepower to bear in very little time. That's nuts.
Agreed.
@@kiwi_comanche a patrol can become a spearhead now. You get the direction and range from your shot spotter (electronic auditory recognition equipment) you swivel your browning over. Then you acquire the range you laze and then you have your retical preset on a save. Then you start saving on other likely avenues of approach. Holy fuck thats alot to unpack.
@@zachv1942 Better than that, it can be datalinked over ad-hoc networking so your shot spotter lases it and you just get a reticle.
@@mattbuffo1177 RIP bad guys
Not only that, imagine those UBGL Guys now finally have a do it all optic that not only measures Bullet Ballistics but Grenade Ballistics
I remember a friend telling me about Vortex when I was building a budget AR at 18. They didn't have a ton of offerings, their website was super basic, but dammit their optics worked and were affordable. And look at them now. Their warranty, customer service, and optics are all up there with the big boys, if not better. Congrats Vortex, you guys definitely earned the military contract for that optic!
Awesome company. And great to see how you witnessed them grow. Only caveat I have is that they ARE one of the big boys now. Top of the tipity top
@@alecubudulecu nothing wrong with that, they still offer an optics line for every budget at least. And have been plenty innovative along the way.
@@chrisbarcus3280 they sure do. Love their stuff. Wife competes in PRS and swears by them.
Winning a military contract doesn't necessarily mean this is a good optic though
vortex and primary arms really flipped the market on their heads.
That’s mind blowing. Every question was answered and mostly in a way that highly exceeded expectations. I want one when this comes out, if I can afford it lol
That's what I was thinking but when looking into I read it's about 11G's
Prob cost like 30k lol
@Garandthumb this is one of the best videos you have done! Amazing piece of equipment, great episode buddy!
#thefutureishere
"if you've ever paid more for an optic than the rest of your setup, go ahead and hit that subscribe button"
LOL!!! Great comment in your observations of the cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$ of operation.
😂😂
@@OMG_No_Way GLASS IS DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING, VERY COMMON IN THE BENCH REST WORLD.
@@NoWr2Run jesus, tyclo. You're not special bro
@@sonofnone116 CAPS LOCK STICKS ONCE IN AWHILE, BRO.
Appreciate the Vortex rep being professional and knowledgeable and not trying to meme the whole video. Great stuff
Yeah Vortex is super. 👌 👍
My recommendation to that visiting officer to Fort Hood seems vindicated. I was a bit of an insistent unit armorer. I had background working with some ballistic experts at Fort Lewis. Bravo!.. Very impressive🥇.. Love the Doom commentary.. Physical and electronic resolution overlay👍🏻
Very fun video to watch - I was waiting for Mike to start crying and run off with it -mine - mine -mine. and his reactions were too funny. Never seen him look at the camera and be like OMG.. Well done and ya dreaming of a smart optic..
700 yard shot, ranged and Spongebobed in under 10 secs is insane
Eh. It's literally not anything you couldn't already do with a rangefinder and a properly zeroed rifle already. All it did was remove the step of you needing to count how many dots down to hold by highlighting it for you.
@@colby1398 less things to fumble and mess up so it's a W.
@@colby1398 not anything you couldn’t do with iron sights and stepping off the distance to the target. Just saves you a few steps and adjusting your sights
@@colby1398 except that takes far too much time in combat
@@ryanwolfe9794 just stop right there
A single well trained sniper on the battlefield is terrifying, now imagine a whole platoon...
The sniper had the strong will necessary to become a well trained sniper. Now a purple haired trans platoon that can’t do a pushup can spread liberty throughout the world! Yay!!!
@@juliusevolvere6835 "Jessie what the fuck are you talking about?"
@@m1sz3lpl24 he tried so hard.
@@zailaurence2385 did you just assume my gender?
Alexa put him on the list of intolerant bigots.
This is the next transition. The previous transition was the musket over the bow. The bow was better because it was faster, more accurate and could go farther. However it took years to develop a proper bowman and minutes to train somebody on how to use a musket.
What's up man ? not seeing much videos we need more love your channel
This is both amazing and scary at the same time. Combine this with thermal and no ones safe within 1000yards
that's the idea =)
@@LIONTAMER3D Until it's your own government exterminating you.
It reminds me of those advanced optics from Call of Duty but now they're becoming reality.
Put it on a .338 Norma semi auto with a little more magnification and nobody will be safe within 2Km.
…1600 yards
I remember everyone freaking out about this, "if it dies my vision goes black", "it's going to be so heavy", "I bet it will be really fragile".
I held back until It actually came out. We don't know everything yet but I can't wait for more stuff like this coming out.
I mean it comes with a normal sight
@@DeosPraetorian people where assuming it was a screen inside the scope before any information was released and claiming it would be trash.
@@SnowFootprints96 "people were assuming" defines like 95% of internet comments
Which is weird because one of the first things Vortex assured people was that it was merely an overlay onto an etched reticle, so worst case it just turned into a slightly heavier normal scope.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I remember the military moving to red dots and people freaking out about that. Vortex is a competent company so didn't think it would be something gimmicky or useless.
As a Wisconsinite myself, I Love Vortex...I have since they first went into business. Great company with great quality products
I think you are the biggest influence to the SDI, a great investment by them, you were the only reason I checked them out.
This combined with some kind of thermal/night vision hybrid would be amazing
Suddenly pfc Joe Snuffy is more like pfc Predator
they got these ir goggles that gonna be able to id friendlies and show their heat sig
Just put a clip on in front of it.
They talked about it in the video, they have a thermal attachment they’re working on that overlays on the internal display.
@@manny1659 this thing can allready do that in visible light, since its AR you can literally mark a target, that's visible on other peoples reticules kind of like your playing battlefield but in real life. Its wild how much of a game changer this will be.
Few months ago they stated the optic also had ATAC integration, so you could mark a target and other team members when looking in the same direction the optic would indicate when they were looking at the spot that was marked.
wow it really is Battlefield IRL then.
Scary part is linking the XM157 with both ATAK and IVAS.
Imagine getting spotted at Heinan Resort and getting domed by some Fudd half a mile away.
😳
Ghost Recon is coming to us, holy shit.
My wife bought me a vortex 1x8 lpvo for Christmas and I can’t wait to try it out this weekend! Gotta get a mount first too, she didn’t know about that, but that’s ok lol
This video starts out like a Nike shoe rep talking an NBA basketball player. The pure anticipation and love for the game is all there.
My gosh.....
I remember stressing over learning trigonometry, weather, barometric pressure, humidity, ballistic coefficient, on and on with many thousands of rounds to get a shot that long that quick. 😮
I'll take two.
Ja lol
Does this take in wind and humidity for this shot also
@@inmate0054 it gives wind information, not sure if it explicitly said it calc'd it. But if it can read it, its probably a feature or soon to be.
I always wondered why laser rangefinders have existed for decades but no one put it in a scope. I guess vortex finally did
Atn did
they've existed for a long time. the systems haven't been robust enough to give to grunts. not surprised vortex is the company to change that
@@ImperiumLibertas won't work well in extreme cold or heat but yeah
Burris has one that's about $1k or so
Because you don't actually need a range finder since your reticle has one built in.
The Burris eliminator also have the ranging and drop point built in! It's just huge lol cheap, though. Pretty awesome tech they have been refining for a few years. They are on the eliminator 5
26:35 Worth every penny it would seem. I dont think ive ever seen him that blown away.
Marines in the 00s: 800 yards torso shot with an acog.
Army in the 20s: dumping bunch of thick rounds with super computers.
Works great, till the batteries shit the bed. Garand iron sight shots, 500 or more yards ! No batteries, no optics ! Or even old 03 Springfields, which were WWII sniper rifles with basic optics.
@@Yarrb53 By chance do you EDC a Kimber 1911?
@@Weimerica8841 that's such a specific insult I love that🤣🤣🤣
@@Yarrb53 you can actually buy spare batteries 😮 it’s amazing isn’t it?
@@Yarrb53 trash as sniper rifles and no way to Id your target at 500
I'm still not sure about how the Spear will turn out, but this optic will without a doubt be a massive increase in firepower and capability.
Doesn't matter if you can't carry as much ammo if you have irl aimbot.
The spear will probably flop, the question is how far the military will try and take it before they have to come to grips with reality.
edit:oh boy the sig fan boys are after me😂 also just to be clear I love the optic but the spear is most likely not going to replace something as fundamentally solid as the AR platform.
@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 Why do you think it'll flop?
@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 before watching him use this thing I totally agreed with you. Assuming this sight works as well as advertised ( I admit that’s a big if ) then the spear makes a lot more sense than It did to me before. Doesn’t do any good to have this shiny optic on an government issue m-4 that can only punch out to 4-5 hundred yards.
@@Cambo6377 exactly what I was thinking.
Great optic, and even better dad advice.
Side note:
The Burris Eliminator V gives you similar capabilities. Already available.
Man I wish I could afford any of the guns you get to use. I know this is obviously about a scope but I just miss going to the range and having a good time. Guess I’ll just always live vicariously through you lol
Wow its kind of scary how advanced this technology is. Vortex is really killing it in the optics world. Just think a decade or so ago you would never have seen a Vortex optic on military arms and now they are going to be leading the pack. Pretty impressive
A decade ago this technology already existed. Range finders n' shit are nothing new.
@@SailTheShip This tech did exist but it was in its infancy. The real advancement here is the miniaturization and the user friendliness of the system. It requires no real thought, just push button, hit target. That didn't exist 10 years ago.
@@ZboeC5 ^this
@@ZboeC5 Fair enough.
I can imagine having this in Desert Storm back in my day. Absolutely insane
As soon as he started ringing the shit out of that target AT 700 YARDS, I understood
I love that as the guys is explaining all the different things the optic does besides distance, he has an uncontrollable smile lol
I’m really interested to see how these come through field trials and combat. Really cool idea!!
"It's like battlefield but it's really scary" honestly made my gut sink for a second. We've all played it and we know how simple and scary it makes engaging enemies. Now imagine this syncing to your visor and you keep track of all enemies. Terrifying how quickly and efficiently it will be to take a life.
If there is one thing humans are good at… it’s removing eachother from the Gene pool.
It also has the technology to spot targets, and other soldiers can see the spotted target through the optic.
Now someone needs to @ this to DICE to get them to add 3d spotting back.
Since you know, the real world has it now.
"DICE, please!"
It’s already extremely easy and guaranteed at anything under 500 yards so this thing is only really useful for unrealistic ranges which are like 800 and above.
I think the issue is that most people are double digit IQ and they don’t know how to acquire a target even out to 50 yards for whatever reason but I could literally teach a competent 10 year old to lend 100% shots at 500 yards so I don’t really understand the point of the scope and I don’t see how it’s going to radically change anything unless people are just really that bad.
The scope is basically like training wheels for a bicycle and the people in the comments are saying that training wheels are going to make a bicycle scary or something when in reality you don’t even need training wheels…
I can already see these things sitting in the arms room never getting used at the range because the commander doesn't want them getting lost or broken
I lose it at the post office to whoever the highest bidder is...
@Dick Izzinya I've been an armorer and I am amazed at how rough Joe's handle there ccos. Acogs have been bullet proof but I'd say about 20 percent of 180 ccos I had were unserviceable.
Awesome Stuff
This is why I love Vortex, and will always be a die hard fan. They not only make fantastic, quality products, with the warranty to back it up. They also are always so professional, and friendly. Every single vortex rep I've ever spoken to, regardless of their role, have always been a total delight. Can't wait to get ahold of one of these bad boys in a couple of years.
Also the name is Badass, Vortex
@Matt Prost hey man, we all got that one drunken one night stand back in college we're not proud of either. Everyone makes mistakes 🙁
@@ironmann16 and hell…SOME of us make that mistake repeatedly! Uhhhh, no. Not me. My friend! Yeah.. him.
The lethality of this system is beyond words.
Its been approaching. Its pretty much a range finder shrunk down. Id imagine precision competitions will put in a rule to ban them from use. Id also guess 3 gun as well will ban it.
@@1014p Range finder, calibrated for the gun and round, that also is a point and shoot more than anything. This works for marines too, because they don't have to count how many lines down from the centre one they are on their fingers.
No the fuck it's not. In combat it's going to be a huge problem.
@@W1ckedRcL How so? This won't be put on the guns of entry guys. This won't be issued to EVERYONE - only 250k units for the first four years. This will be for the standard Army Sniper teams and maybe some SDM's.
@@ZildjianMan30 this is going to be the primary optic for the NGSW. It's going to be mounted on infantry guns as soon as they can get them out of the factory.
the squad multi reticle capability for takeing out multiple tagets from stealth is awesome. This with comtacs is a gamechanger. That said I'd still want a no magnification red dot for close up
Glad they finally got it done and approved.
Imagine getting kicked off the war server for using a real life aimbot.
Drone used.a.vpn to get a new ip
It's crazy how vortex really came out of nowhere in the optics market, now they're making smart optics for the military. They're a pretty awesome company!
They have a really diverse catalogue too, so their range of optics is very accessible price wise. Everything from $150 red dots all the way up to what we're seeing here in the video.
@@Womb2DaTomb very true but their red dots don’t even come close to aimpoints trijicons or Leupolds durability wise
@@romeowhiskeylima556 That's not my point at all, my point is you can get a decent red dot that holds zero for a fraction of those brands, of course a Eotech or Aimpoint would be ideal
I have Vortex scopes on my rifles, my favortie is the Vortex 5x25. It matched with my 6.5 Creedmor makes a beautiful combo, in addition with the scope shroud.
I would like to add that Vortex backs lifetime warranties on all their products bought new or refurbished. They trust their product and make solid options for any build.
Burris Eliminator already has this and I love it. Doesn't have all the additional features. I love the idea of the thermal add on.
Nice spin at the start bro!
GT: Wha, what, why, why, why is this big why, what is this, you know explan?
Vortex guy: Great question.
Scary and amazing. I never seen flannel daddy so awe struck. Also Alex seems like a dope guy, loved his dad advice. Keep up the good work Mike!
Ive not had an oppertunity to get near this optic but I have had the chance to try a couple of other manufacturers version of a smart optic and I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised and genuinely impressed with them and the real world operation of them and they weren't a gimmicky product like I originally thought they would be....
I can only imagine what the future will allow...
12:53 if you're going CQB, it would behoove you to have the IR laser on, and a red dot that is NV capable on a canted mount. Just twist the weapon, or grab another gun for CQB.
The optic is awesome. It's more capable than what we see here. Given that they communicate between each other and with the rest of the systems the US military can bring, we could identify threats between soldiers and identify them through the optics mounted to every gun.
Yes! Thank you for finally covering this (what I would call) game-changing and infantry battle-defining sight Mike, been dying to see some hands-on work with it ever since learning about it on the Army's M5/M250 contract.
A bit overselling it. Rangefinders and shit are nothing new. It's hardly a "game changing battle defining sight."
Dad advice following the tradition of the great Wil Rogers saying " Everyone is ignorant, just on different subjects", and tempering it with tolerance and acceptance.. good job , guys.
Also, Mike, realizing that he's at the beginning of the future combat optics, priceless.
Hope Micah got to play too after the camera work was done.
I cannot even imagine how much fun the devs had with this
You could see it in Mike's body language. As well as the shooting footage,
"When the battlefield is "equal",the digital battlefield will be just as unsurvivable as the nuclear battlefield."
With what is basically just a (real,real,)good scope. Scary shit.
Nice work,Vortex.
ya.. this is VERY scary
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everyone becomes cold bore sniper.... plus night vision and! thermal....
will probably also be able to outline friendlies / marks....... sorta like the A-10s helmet display works (look at DCS game play to see what i mean.... quite deadly)
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CRAZY!
@@kainhall "will probably also be able to outline friendlies / marks....." If you watch the vortex deep dive on this they basically said it will be able to show you friendlies
@@UMADBRO64 then you still have a good optic. And if there is one thing the US army is not worried about it's logistics for basic batteries.
@@UMADBRO64 Well seeing as we have grunts these days lugging around night vision and night fighting lasers, it's actually much less complicated to the user
@@UMADBRO64 You have a laughably incorrect perspective on the competence and intelligence of the modern "grunt"
This most certainly will be the future of modern optics. Brilliant.
So basically once you have the range it's just point and click not only for you but also for your entire squad. Future really is here.
The "less ammo" part is actually gonna be compensated by the fact that you'll waste less ammo per target, but as for "more batteries" - yeah, this new optic requires some more power and also is kinda fragile. Because of that it might not become standard issue for most infantry, however marksmen might enjoy this system for such an aim assist allowing them to one-tap their targets.
@@Fireball7428it depends on how expensive the optic is. If its affordable enough the fragility won't matter as much. The live span of equipment in peer on peer wars is incredibly short.
@@Fireball7428Marksmen wouldn’t need this optic. They can already do everything it does like it’s second nature. The whole point of it is to allow comparatively less skilled shooters to punch above their weight class.
I’d be willing to bet the scope is a lot less fragile than you think, considering it’s all solid state, sealed off, and has gone through the whole battery of mil spec QC tests. And when you have an 800 billion dollar budget things like scopes are absolutely inconsequential in terms of cost.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 I am not sure about the whole "marksmen don't need it", considering this is the same tech jump that massively increased tank engagement ranges and accuracy (but finally miniaturised for infantry) and tank gunners were essentially marksmen back then too.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The reason advanced FCS systems for tanks were so revolutionary is because they enabled quick and accurate fire on the move, and when integrated with IR imagers also allow for extremely good day/night detection.
The only thing this scope changes is that it makes it so a lot of the calculations marksmen used to do in their head are done by the scope.
You’re not going to see the same effect because unlike tank gunners, marksmen are already capable of consistently putting rounds on target at the maximum effective ballistic range of the bullet, and they don’t fire on the move. This will enable them to get follow up shots faster from the aim point adjustment, but for things like ranging/atmospheric adjustment all it will do is make it easier - marksmen are very skilled and were already doing all that pretty quickly. Infantry however can’t do that at all or can’t do it quickly, and it’ll make a really big difference with them.
The new round, since it’s so much more kinematically potent than 5.56 and even 7.62 NATO, will be able to be shot much further, which will have a much bigger impact.
Keep in mind that this technology is very much not new - there’s been lots of scopes on the civilian side that can do all the things the XM157 scope can do for a while. The consensus is that while they’re nice and very convenient, they’re far from necessary for a skilled shooter. Lots of hunters leave them behind since they’re usually heavier.
Will definitely be getting one when there available
I remember when the F2000 came out in the mid-2000s, the military version had a rangefinder for the grenade launcher which I thought was pretty nifty. Not that it takes long to target a 40mm, but the confirmation of range is nice.
I don't know what you are talking about, the f2000 was created in 1942, and was used extensively by the allied forces
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Thanks for the awesome detail from this video guys! We're gonna be updating our ArmA 3 NGSW mod with the information from this video as best we can. Currently we have the scope working (thanks to ACE), and it goes nicely with our Spear and XM250, We've also added a canted Vortex red-dot on one of the adaptor interfaces, wonder if Vortex has plans for that. Definitely gonna be updating the model we have with this newer build of the scope, and especially with all these nice close-up shots you've given us.
Awesome stuff as always Mike!
Hey can I hop in an op with you?
@@UM3.Yasuke bro did you get your free prize😂?
Thank you for your addition to the community brother
@@romeowhiskeylima556 you know that’s a scam right?
They steal your data and want money you!
Always report this stuff, unfortunately that’s the only thing working at the moment..
UA-cams not control is very bad at the moment.
Can't wait to play it with your tweaks to the scope. I've been playing with the NGSW mod for a few months now.
Very nice!
Seeing as you can add your own modules, and it’s using a transparent screen, you could probably also add a remaining ammo counter like in apex or halo. Maybe add a sensor that recognizes the loud boom and the recoil to register when a shot has been fired, or some sensors in the magazine follower to interface with the counter on the screen.
Man I had high hopes for this thing but holy fuck it's even cooler than I expected even with the ability to save the range info of multiple targets in your Fov, this is seriously a game changer
The saving is fucking awesome imagine youre on overwatch in one particular area and you maybe expect someone in a window of a building and you range for that and you also expect someone at a rige 200m further and can range to that as well as to some alley exit in a difrent part of your view and if whatever comes up in any of those places you just point your muzzle there and it gives you an impact point right away, the potential reaction time on an emerging danger far away is scary impressive.
That’s a point, but for GI this is a game changer
@Random Pickle for GI, they can still use the scope as usually as a regular LPVO
Any time this thing comes up in conversation, the immediate question is "how much is too much, how much of this is needed" and I'm very happy to see Garand take it on honestly and clearly.
People say that because they themselves cannot afford it likely
@@TALIZ0RAH this isn't a civilian optic. This is what the US Army plans to put on the XM5. I dunno why you're tryna shame people for being poor when it's a optic that's not on sale to begin with.
Reminds me of the Sig range finding fire control system, but entirely self contained. That's insane
The rep front Vortex was awesome. You can really tell he knew his product as an operator, and not just as a salesman.
Man. It has been a while since I've seen Mike that excited about anything. I'm always skeptical of incorporating more tech into stuff, but this is really really cool. If I can afford an optic like this when it is released to civilians I'll still keep what I've got. While this makes long shots easier, it is still fun to pick a gun and a distance and see who rings steel first. I managed 600 yards on an unmagnified red dot twice in a day with my BCM 16 inch 5.56 upper shooting Wolf Gold 55 grain at a 36 inch gong. I was impressed with that BCM, because I am definitely not a great shot. I ended up being the only one to hit that gong without magnification that afternoon, and that was a good feeling.
Nice to see Vortex getting military adoption. Their warranty has been such a boon, and their optics are incredible, especially for their price point.
In a firefight in Syria, optic stops working.
Calls up Vortex
They ship a new optic from the Overseas warehouse
Drone flies up and drops it onto my location
Attach it to my rifle and put the old one on the drone.
Gets back to the firefight
Countless of thermal optics have rangefinders in em
The question is, how are us civilians supposed to compete against this
@@squidy4082 Sheer numbers.
$10,800 per unit/ 250,000 in total. Wow how affordable
It's funny because I was literally thinking the other day 'I wonder why someone hasn't made a scope that syncs with a rangefinder and wind sensors' and it turns out it already exists