Should China be BANNED from the Olympics?
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I reckon the ones found doping should be, I don't think there is a reason to ban the entire country. When talking to my coach, Graham Hill (who was actually Chad Le Clos' coach), about the doping situation of Sun Yang, he told me that people have created this stereotype, that being that all fast Chinese swimmers are doping, which unfortunately, was proven correct again in this case. I genuinely thought that Qin, Zhang, and the others were clean, but regardless of whether it was contamination or intentional, they were found with the drugs in their system, and I think that they shouldn't be allowed to compete in Paris. It is unfortunate for the other Chinese swimmers who aren't doping (hopefully Pan Zhanle 🤞), because it puts them at an even worse situation than before. It is understandable that people want all of China banned, but I just don't think it would be fair on all of the athletes from the nation who are genuinely clean (if any at all), but who knows? Nevertheless, this is a very interesting topic to have found out and discussed about just a few months before the Olympics :).
Totally agree with you.
The one's that cheat know.
I was on the National team & even meds from the doc, I got them to check.
There is never a reason for not knowing
The same argument could be made for Russian swimmers, the clean ones can't race under their flag. They also don't necessarily have anything to do with the war in Ukraine yet they cop the punishment so I feel like you can't take one stance with one and not others.
@@user-rp7xp6xe8pUhh yes there is.
You think a swimmer at a Chinese training camp or whatever actually has full control of what goes in their bodies?
You think a government that is putting people by the thousands into "camps" wouldn't dope their athletes without their consent?
Then you're awfully naive.
These commies do not care, and they will do whatever they want to anybody, including their top athletes.
And the yt censorship police deleted my comment like usual.
Its almost like living in China trying to post anything on this trash platform
They all doping, most likely
Ban the athletes who got caught doping, not the whole team.
I think they should do the whole team because the same situation happened with Russia and the whole team (Russia) was banned.
The clean ones should just represent themselves separate from China and have routine drug tests
@@awsomerobyn2603 balco scandal all over again…
A positive test is a positive test… not to mention their performance over the last few years has dramatically improved… the likely hood that it was just contamination in a kitchen is like less than 1%.
Yeah since 2000 China keep in top 3 Olympic medal Tally 😮
How about the U.S and Aussie TUEs swimmer？
@@user-bu6dz3qz7r like a said a positive test is a positive test. I haven’t even heard about the U.S. or Aussie swimmers… who tested positive?
@@collinmiller8866 You must know the TUEs ？ According to your logic, shouldn't those on the TUEs list also be baned ? You must read the files on WADA and FINA. American swimmer had similar situation before, WADA did the same.
I currently live in Hangzhou which was where the Asian Games was held, nobody here has talk about this topic or even mentioned, except for my coach who was a teammate with Sun Yang and also attended the olympics , she sent our team this article about this and the tittle was "The Australian media once again slandered Chinese swimming, threatening that 23 athletes were found to have banned drugs, and maliciously hinted at Zhang Yufei". (translated). The Chinese media say that it is fake and on Chinese Tik Tok or other social media platforms everybody is talking how the Australian media did this on purpose to pressure Chinese Athletes. I mean just look at the times of the chinese olympic trials, there so fast, its so weird. I hope that justice will be brought.
They don'r believe that the ChinADA report was mailed to ARD ? ChinADA entered the AAFs into ADAMS for effss sake
Of course, they are now doing whatever it takes to turn the table and blame on everything else but their own illegal actions. I'm even not surprised as this is what the modern China is well known for. Right?
That reaction by Chinese media alone is basically an admission of guilt.
@@dalenesbitt The west including Australia fears China is going to win more medals than they will, and as a result they have exposed this food contamination that happened in 2021, conveniently right before the Paris Olympics. 2014 - 10 US athletes test positive under the same food contamination circumstances, never leaked or banned. Western antic yet again.
Definitely sus that China is denying the 23 testing positive rather than the other claims... you'd think they wouldn't argue with the facts and focus on the speculation if they were innocent...🤷♂️
BAN THOSE CHEATERS
Where there is smoke there is fire
As a Chinese, I think if this was true, the whole team should be banned, because it is not a personal behavior, definitely a collective act run by the coaches and leaders. All the Chinese have to admit this has had a huge negative impact on China's national image. But we need to ask two questions: Why always you(China) dope? Why you(the West) disclose this at this time just right before the big game? It's worth thinking about, and thinking at two sides.
Just think about this for a bit. Would you think elite swimmers like Zhang Yufei, Qin Haiyang, Wang Shun etc., would willingly take drugs and jeopardize their fame and career? I highly doubt it. They worked so hard all their life like other elite swimmers. I suspect there was either an insider (perhaps an official, or coaches) or outsiders (enemies of China) intentionally sabotage the swimmers by putting TMZ substances in their foods. A source told me that there were other hotels of swimmers; but only that particular hotel had TMZ. To me this is very fishy.
Also, banning them in Paris for the substances they ingested by mistake 3.5 years ago sound a bit ridiculous. Assuming if they are tested negative multiple times, I think they should compete in Paris.
I just feel unfair that 90% + ppl want all Chinese to be banned in the Olympic because of this unfortunate situation. I mean look at history, China is ranked 8th in medal stripping and USA ranks 5th, Russia ranks 1st. In the last 40 years of Olympic, more USA olympic athletes got banned than China. No one really mentions that at all. To me it's extremely biased.
Lastly it's not us who make the banning decisions. Based on the currently news, 3 major sport governing bodies, WADA, World Aquatic, and IOC are all on China's side. USADA can accuse all they want.
Thank you for talking about this. I have to right a english article/essay on a topic and i choose doping in sports/swimming
I don’t know if China should be banned? But they definitely need an extra screening for banned substances on their team.
I think they should do the whole team because the same situation happened with Russia and the whole team (Russia) was banned.
The clean ones should just represent themselves separate from China and have routine drug tests
Sounds like East Germany in the 70s and 80s all over again….
Real
And Russia
Of course, restaurant food is the perfect excuse and to blame even the drug found in the Chinese swimmers is not easily accessible over the counter. Go figure! 🤔
At the very least, the athletes that had the positive tests should be banned. Any other athlete would be.
A breath of fresh air. Saying things as they are.
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Of course China will be competing, there the richest country in the world
Very disappointed to qin hiyang,,
Thanks for the update Cody, damn China already trying to screw up the Paris Olympics, DAMN THEM!🤬💩
everyone cheats. just do the all enhanced olympics.
If they weren’t involved, they should be able to compete. If they were, no, they shouldn’t be able to compete this year.
You can’t ban them all when some had no involvement. It would be the same way with the USA.
I think they need to have the same thing a Russia because that is not fair and are the metals getting stripped?
Well like it’s not every sport only swimming that one Olympics.
Not fair.
The real question is why WADA didn’t do anything. As someone who believes in the Chinese swim team not for the drugs but for the work ethic. When the Chinese or other Asian teams win a race it gives me hope that Asians have a chance in physical sports, and we can stop the stereotype that Asian are only metal not physical. Cody do you think they are still on drugs?? Because like after COVID WADA should be able to test Chinese athletes by themselves without needing to believe Chinada.
China paid WADA off with $2 million. Yes they are on drugs, hence the world records
Holy shit are those yards or meters ? 28 in training is insane lol (yards is still pretty insane too lol)
gonna assume yards if it’s a college pool
yeah, eventually all countries with strong athletes will be banned, and each member of the USA team will finally get their well-deserved medals. "Independent" investigation, lol
As an enthusiast in a country whose no swimmer will even qualify for the finals, I see this scandal quite fishy. It was dug out at just the time to become a huge issue towards the Olympics. It's easy nowadays to take and spread opinions. I think that a scandal of this magnitude will be taken by the relevant official organizations as seriously as they can. The conclusion may not be in time, but that's how the world operates. IMO, however, overgeneralization is the key abstract that causes war. And that's unnecessary.
I think that as China cheated, only the swimmers that actually got positive should be able to compet. The others should be banned because that would be obviously unfair to all of the other swimmers like Cody Miller for example that train very hard every single day only to be beaten by cheaters.
I think they should do the whole team because the same situation happened with Russia and the whole team (Russia) was banned.
The clean ones should just represent themselves separate from China and have routine drug tests
Wonderful agenda! Such a sad agenda…
As a fan of the sport, I don’t want all of china to be banned. They definitely cheated but I also want to see people like pan who didn’t test positive swim. I say do the same as Russia (let them swim under another flag) and ban the 23 they were positive.
why did it take so long for this to come out?
It was leaked WADA didn’t want this to come out.
Ahahaha, all about money
i am from china
No one should be banned from the Olympics. This is sport, this is not a politics…
I support banning China, but USA should also be banned.
By Russian standards:
1. Invasion of sovereign countries: USA invaded Grenada, Afghanistan, and Iraq
2. Doping: Carl Lewis, Flo Jo, and a whole host of asthmatic gymnasts in USA
Russia should not participate in the 2020 and 2024 Olympics and was boycotted in 1980. USA should also be banned from more than five Olympics.🤣🤣🤣
(Note, I am Taiwanese a.k.a. Chinese Taipei)
To answer the question: Yup.
My opinion gonna be controversial. But I don't think they should be banned.
Fault here is the organization hiding it. And surprisingly it gets published right before the olimpics to create the debate, more views and money.
But my point is... They should have been banned at that time. Now, they should been carefully tested again by other organization and then banned if positive.
Imagine an athlete that has been preparing all these years for the olimpics and suddenly cannot compete, bye career. Not saying they didnt do wrong but cannot know for sure if they have regularly been doing that or not. Proper investigation and decision.
And now this late, even if they are positive again (should be banned) but it is just so bad for the competition itself.
Are you interested in watching peaty swimming breastroke without the Chinese swimmer? Because I'm not.
Are you interested in watching the 200m IM without the Chinese guy?
Do you guys know how amazing these olimpics are gonna be? There is fierless competition everywhere, if they take that away from us... the losses in money for the organization would be massive
I've been a fan of Asian Swimming particularly the Chinese team. I wouldn't even watch swimming if China is not even in it.
I think banning the entire team is too extreme. So far, Pan Zhanle has been negative in all his tests before any world event. Banning him is insane since he's the favorite for 100 meter freestyle.
@@thitran3080 and besides all these points. Do we really trust all those Anti-Doping organisations??
Because many Russian swimmers who were positive back then, were training in the US. I am a swimmer myself and the bodies and things I see in every olimpics are beyond natural. Not saying everyone is doping lol but there is such a small line between being tested positive or not.
And let's be real here... The ones who control the institutions are Western. Is it not too much coincidence that always the ones to blame are historically enemy countries?
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they should just make doping allowed lol
As funny as that sounds...this actually opens up another interesting topic in sport generally...when is it allowable enhancement and when is it not?
@@G0ATdebatethen where would it ever stop 🛑? when we are all AI. Clones super human doped up machines? No the 23 athletes from China 🇨🇳 should be stripped of medals and stricter laws rules for doping
Sun Yang broke the 1500 world record, so China should compete
In my opinion, from an objective standpoint contamination isn't at all out of the question, in fact I think it's the most likely answer. Most of the controversy just comes from how CHINADA and WADA have handled the situation. And I do have an extreme amount of concern for the lack of transparency on the matter. Not because I think all the athletes involved definitely did cheat, but because there's a possibility they may have, and the world deserves to know about it, and not just have WADA shove it under the rug. Even if WADA had come to the same conclusion that it was contamination, but had been transparent about it and let the world know *as it was happening,* I would have much less concern. The biggest issue for me is that China is so obsessed with optics and "face" that they actively take measures to limit transparency about what goes on with them, even when they aren't strictly doing anything wrong, and that WADA are caving to the Chinese' requests.
Swimmers work hard for their achievements. Mom of swimmer here who broke a local record when she was 6(25 fly) and was never recorded or recognized. Cheating is not fair
中國冇罪！
23 Chinese athletes did have performance enhancing drugs in their system, so they failed the drug test, the entire country didn’t fail. Is it common in China to have performance enhancing drugs in kitchens while cooking meals? I doubt it, that why everyone thinks their story is BS.
Be quiet Commie.
They "found" contamination 10 weeks later. That does not prove their case. Thats like taking a blood sample 10 weeks later for a car crash testing for drugs and alcohol. The time frame matters.
ChinADA entered the 28 positve tests for the 23 swimmers in the ADAMS database, it happened. WADA & ChinADA didn't follow the normal procedure of athlete notification, provisional suspensions & hearings.
@@414s4China always in TOP 3 medal Tally Olympic 😂 since 2000 😂
@@boiscooka232 I would say that since China has a much greater population than any other country in the world, they should easily dominate the medal count. In terms of population size, China has 4 times the number of people than the USA. A top 3 finish is actually pretty poor for that size country. Maybe the athletes in the USA just outwork Chinese athletes, or could it be something else?
Nobody should be banned from the Olympics please
ban the positive swimmers, not the entire nation.
because of politics and "war" forbidden to Russian swimmers......
@@the_man502 i think the issue here is the sheer number of positive tests which supports a theory of STATE sanctioned doping rather than a rouge athlete or two. Yes if it was just a couple of athletes who tested positive then it would not make sense to ban an entire nation, however here the context is a little different hence the more blanket response required.
Wow, that’s racist
23 swimmers from the same nation is no coincidence, that is a well organised scheme which displays a complete lack of integrity. Got to ban them to protect the sport.
The scheme is wada.
Sure I would ban them. But banning them isn't protecting the sport. Protecting the sport would require "banning" the organizations that allowed this nonsense to begin with.
People are always going to cheat. And communist dumpster fire counties are always going to do what they do. When your alphabet organizations do nothing about it, the actual cheaters and dumpster fire countries aren't actually the problem....
You're missing most of the plot here. Indeed, it was no coincidence. This was China's entire Olympic swim team turning up positive all at once with trace amounts of the identical drug all after attending one gathering. That's not a clean sport violation. If anything, it's a national security emergency. So it figures that the Chinese anti-doping agency immediately informed WADA and shared their results, and WADA sensed there were unprecedented elements that were above their clearance and decided not to go public for fear of exposing an international incident verging on biological warfare. Would any of this make sense in the context of a colossal Chinese screw-up exposing their state doping regimen?
Why would a country taking part in a well organized scheme of doping report itself and during COVID when it would have been very easy to hide the results?
Critical thinking skills