Cirrus SR22 - Approach to minimums in heavy rain - With ATC audio
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- RNAV GPS 28L Approach to LPV minimums into Hayward, CA in heavy rain. Was fighting a 48kt crosswind and ATC had me break off the approach once to make way for sequencing “other important traffic”. This was the second attempt and was asked to break off the approach once more (while I was already established on final). At that point, I had to use “Minimum Fuel” since the chances of me going missed at my destination was high and I could not risk getting into a fuel emergency. I’m PIC and I am solely responsible for the safety of the flight.
Good job on announcing that minimum fuel without hesitation.
Late response but I just watched an AOPA video about a pilot in Delaware that was running out of fuel and could’ve landed had he just announced an emergency. Seeing this video made me happy
indeed! no mercy! lol
Great job demonstrating control and safety flying IMC! Great video - lots going on.
Nice job showing the proper use of our PIC authority and how, when necessary, to use it for our safety.
I remember when we just followed two needles down to the runway. The technology available now is really impressive.
Ok way to steal their glory
@@Heyemeyohsts totally agree with you! What a weird thing for him to say.
It always pisses me off when ATC prioritizes commercial traffic even when they're not supposed to do that.
What a great pilot in the left seat. Would fly with him any day. Awesome job guys!
Great job. I was on the edge of my seat watching this.
If the standby altimeter was set correctly you saw the runway at about 260 ft :-) I can very well understand that you had no intentions going around with low fuel and in that kind of weather! By the way: I fly the same setup in my 2006 SR22 - DFC90/IFD440. Stay safe!
nice flying... I used to fly out HWD some 35 ago. ....your decision making & thought process was suited to the situation. Keep flying IFR, you cant beat the experience, fine tune your skills everyflight is a learning experience.good luck in ur career.. Im former airline heavy jet
flyfrt: Thanks for the encouraging words.
I would have said "unable" instead of "negative" but other than that good decision making process ;-)
Very nice! 500 feet and STILL can’t see the runway??? DAMN that’s a low ceiling!
Nice job flying! Way to stay cool.
Excellent flying and excellent job however (you know there is always going to be a "HOWEVER" in the mix), seriously I can't understand how anyone flies with sunglasses in heavy IMC conditions. I've been flying comm for more than 26 years and I have a very expensive pair of Versace VE Gold Aviators and I can't even wear these when I'm in heavy IMC. I noticed at 8:05 you asked if your co-pilot could see the runway and then you immediately removed your sunglasses, should you not have taken them off much earlier? Once again just my preference and I can't understand how others fly with sunglasses on especially when in heavy somewhat dark IMC conditions, did you just forget that you had them on or do you typically always fly in the soup with them on? If so would you mind sharing what kind of sunglasses you wear as I'd love to have a pair that I could use to better the IMC conditons? Once again from one aviator to another-GREAT JOB and absolutely outstanding job taking charge on the minimal fuel deviation refusal.
Todd, first of all , thank you for the kind words and secondly thank you for making such excellent points. Now that I think about it, yes, I should have taken off my sunglasses earlier although I am not quite sure if it would have made a considerable difference in spotting the runway earlier than I did. We flew from brilliant sunshine 30 minutes earlier into the crud and it didn't occur to me that I still had my sunglasses on ( which by the way is a good one from American Optics). Between the changing weather pattern, heavy airline traffic trying to get into SFO/SJC, my fuel burn, ATC antics, etc , I may have been too focused on the flying part to realize I still had my sunglasses on. But your point is well taken... I have learnt so much more since I posted this video and comments from my fellow pilots. Thanks again.
The only approach I ever flew to minimums was during training. I had the foggles on earlier when we were in and out of imc, which became total imc by the time we started on the approach. The experience was so intense I broke out at minimums and landed with the foggles on.
absolutely loved it hope to see more
That´s how an ifr app looks like. Very nice Lovely f****+aircraft! Either this or Glasair 3 one day will be mine! Lovely flight Nice Work u2
Nice video, I just got a SR22 G2 and was wondering how you have your Ipad mounted? I am trying to decide between suction cup ram mount or screwing the ram mount into the area by the key switch.
David, I have used a low profile ram mount with the base screwed into the area by key switch. The suction cup ram mount is a bad idea as they have a tendency to lose suction as you climb higher. One time, the whole mount (with Ipad) just came undone at climb out causing unnecessary distraction (to say the least). If it were IMC, it'd be even worse.
great video, keep them coming...
Very nice approach to ~mins~.
Please do not take this comment as a dig but rather an observation.
In the video you say minimums were 340 MSL and you called runway in sight at 260MSL. Minimum fuel and just past minimums.
If this is a home airport or very familiar environment, I'm sure you were comfortable continuing the approach. You we so focused on the approach and visibility I can see how I could also have done the very same thing.
Avidude, very keen observation indeed. it was my home airport and I have shot that approach in VMC multiple times and I know the terrain like the back of my hand so there was a bit of a secure feeling. We had prepared for the go around (hence the minimum fuel). I had the VASI in sight a few secs before I actually called out (you can see my hand reach out to the flap switch), its hard to see that on the video given the camera angle, but your point is well taken. The urge to find the runway and land is overwhelming especially when you can see the ground below you. I’ve done hundreds of practice approaches to minimums under the hood but nothing beats an actual one to actually learn something valuable. Thanks for watching.
airman Yeah, I'm assuming they cancelled the approach on you previously before the video picks up. There were several links in that accident chain forming, so awesome job telling the approach controller what was going on. If I had contact with the ground and was in a good position to land, low on fuel, busy airspace and weather closing in, I am almost positive I would have pushed it a bit past da. I'm a safety freak, but you needed to get down. Good job and thanks for sharing this. Having an engine fail from fuel starvation in IMC is a very scary thought.
What do you say if tower asks you?? "I had minimums."
pissfuck45 The tower controller can't really tell how low you are, even towers that have radar services. Only surveillance radar systems are updated that frequently and go all the way to the ground.... Change your childish name dude. No one will take you seriously. If I had noticed before now, I would have just ignored you.
you are allowed to descend below minimums to 100ft above TDZ so long as runway LIGHTING is in sight. The runway does not have to be insight at minimums in order to continue the approach. If lighting is seen at mins you may descend up to 100 feet above TDZ. If at 100ft above TDZ and the runway is not in sight then you must execute a missed approach. Atleast that is what i was told by my examiner on my instrument check ride.
Nice video. Wish I could have seen you hand fly it though ...
What's the avionics in your center stack, Avidyne or something else???
What earplugs do you use with the clarity aloft? Does it work well in a piston?
Nice flying mate.
If you fly without your sun glasses you can’t log the hours. Hahaha FAR/AIM 91.205 hahaha 😂 awesome approach !
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Thanks for sharing. When did you set your flaps for landing?
I am pretty sure he set final flaps at the moment he had runway in sight. You can see him make some changes right after runway in sight and that is pretty standard for Cirrus to do so at that point.
Stratus as backup 👍
What mount are you using for the IPad mini?
hey nice video, just wondering what software you were running on the ipad? looks useful?
Derek, it's ForeFlight .
Min fuel in that weather??? yikes...
Thats how you say what you mean and don't ask.
Smooth approach. Good ride!
What up with of gauges being blank?
What is that little white box on the window, i have seen it on several planes on various videos and would like to know what does that white box do
It's called a Stratus. It's an ADS-B receiver, it's what gives them the data that they are seeing on their iPads. In this video, they are using the app ForeFlight.
OUTSTANDING!
Nice video. Makes me want to get my instrument ticket.
Great video. Subscribed.
Great job airman
Curious, why were you minimum fuel in that type of weather?
Check the description, they were already on their second approach attempt for sequencing so while I'm sure they planned for it they seem to have been put into that situation unexpectedly.
Nice job but a little too close, or even past minimums, for my comfort. I'll stick to VMC. I can't fly often enough to feel like I've got the proficiency to shoot an approach close to minimums. Great video though and thanks for sharing it.
Well done
Excellent flying to (DA) in rain , wish I could find a flying buddy,
Very nice!!
Good thing you got straight in instead of circle to land....
Great job
Loved the vid
Not to minimums, you had ground contact and well over the 1/2mile of visibility minimums for the approach (probably couldn't see from wearing sunglasses in the Clouds). When your questioning why the autopilot isn't doing something it's supposed to, that's the time to disengage it and hand fly (I know pushing all those buttons is fun and all). The chatter about the approach means you didn't have it briefed properly. The altitudes should be known and briefed, NOT having a discussion about it while flying and deciphering if the autopilot is doing what you expect. Good job on declaring min fuel, so many pilots are scared to speak up so props for that. Try and keep the chatter to a minimum and brief thoroughly beforehand. I assume you're a low time pilot but you're heading in the right direction. try to get your cockpit sounding like an airline cockpit instead of you and your buddies and it'll do wonders for your future training.
Nice job! The "500" callout is 500 AGL, not MSL, by the way.
From the G1000 cockpit manual, in the TAWS section: "The purpose of the aural alert message “Five-hundred” is to provide an advisory alert to the aircrew that the aircraft is five-hundred feet above terrain. "
Ahh relief - we can see the ground now.... Plot twist, crap! We Cannot see the runway!!
Nice
Question, what are you using on your tablet???
Robert Passarelli Looks like Foreflight to me. 👍🏼
Jonathan Ramsey I believe you're correct, Thnx.
Having trouble seeing.
Wearing sunglasses in rainy conditions.
LoLwut?
did you ever gone to skiing at mountains?
Not the same as skiing in the mountains
Chairman7w So every commercial pilot I fly with that uses them in cloud is an idiot then. Try that glare for 7 hours and see who’s lol
What is all that stuff flying by to the very left
Rain water
Wow. Hope this was not trying to prove something to all those commercial pilots trying to get thousands of passengers safely on the ground….
How much fuel did you land with?
Landed with 18gal (about 1 hour at normal cruise speeds). Was legal but uncomfortable given the propensity of going around and finding another airport that was above minimums.
If you’re going to refuse an ATC instruction it’s not minimum fuel, it’s emergency fuel.
Actually, ATC asked if it was a "minimum fuel" situation. Here is something from the FAA...www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2008/inFO08004.pdf
After the pilot says “negative” to the control instruction. My point is you can’t NOT accept a clearance unless you declare emergency fuel. Minimum fuel should’ve already been declared if you know you have a fuel issue that way the controller is already aware. During a minimum fuel situation priority handling is not required (read the link you posted). In this situation minimum fuel was skipped and should’ve directly went to emergency fuel if you’re going to refuse a clearance.
This is a mute point since ATC let him proceed. Technically you are right. He could have said, negative minimum fuel, and ATC could have said, understood, still turn 350 for sequencing. At THAT point the PIC could have said, ok, we are declaring a fuel emergency and then ATC would have HAD to give him priority.
But ATC rightfully understood the situation and saved the paperwork by letting him proceed at minimum fuel.
I’d say both the pilot and ATC did what was right and an appropriately escalating manner.
Don't you guys have EVS? If so why not use it, thermal imaging see's through this mess.
Heart Rates?
I would not of thourght you would be able too land with that cros wimd
Why are you wearing sunglasses though? To Feel more like a pilot with the aviators no matter the conditions?
Nice..
Sounds like poor fuel planning to me. You should have enough to shoot the first approach at your planned destination, fly to your alternate, and still have 45 minutes of fuel when you land.
Thanks for reminding me of the regs. The fuel was planned right but actual winds aloft was much worse than forecasted. If you read the description, this was my second approach attempt after ATC cancelled my clearance and vectored me all around the place to make way for airline traffic . On the second attempt they tried the same and I had to take action in order to avoid a situation that could encourage people like you to pass armchair judgment.
When was the last time you flew and found out that winds aloft were not quite what was forecasted? Did you not hear the "wow 48 knot crosswind" comment? I have declared "minimal fuel" in the past to get me in because of the same reason as airman encountered. Great job airman.
armchair judgment........
Let’s say he did plan his fuel poorly, even though I don’t think he did, he still made the smart safe prudent decision to declare minimum fuel. Why make a comment like yours when bad things happen all the time. If you are a pilot which i assume you aren’t, i guarantee you have been put in the same position. He made the right decision and you should congratulate and encourage that instead of making some stupid comment when you weren’t even there or acting as PIC.
You did the right thing declaring minimum fuel. But, this may a good lesson in building in extra margins, or, and hard to tell from the video, continue to monitor fuel status in case the ground speed isn’t what you expected.
sunglasses
BLAMBERRY bright cloud! You clearly don’t fly much in IFR
@@tonkerdog1243 two years later. I “clearly” dont give a fuck
Two female pilots?