Voyager Reviewed! (by a pedant) S6E14: MEMORIAL
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
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Today's Thought Experiment: I've built a copy of the Stone Dangus. All we need now is to decide what historical event we place inside it for people to experience. Suggestions please!
Let's add some positive stuff to it! Like the Moon Landing or the Fall of the Berlin Wall. No need for it to be all horrific
Personally I’d put in the great moments of shitlord history. John Hancock turning our Declaration of Independence into a roast of King George and the like.
@@Netherspark0_0 a never ending loop of Profit and Lace, A Night in Sickbay, Threshold and Code of Honor
That will he more effective in breaking people than anything the Cardassians will ever dream up
If there is no limit to storage space, the whole history of humanity.
Or forget real world history and put in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
threshold on repeat
I have port and starboard lights on my walker, though it has been pointed out to me that I am just a little old lady, not a boat. But I have spent my entire life in seaport towns, so I need those lights.
Hmm. I wonder what the legality of putting them on a car would be...
of _course_ tom paris mismansplains remote controls, and you already know why.
10:29
Actual lines from the show:
PARIS: Look, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I'd rather just be alone.
TORRES: Tom.
PARIS: No. I don't want to be comforted right now.
TORRES: I know the last few days have been difficult.
PARIS: I can't concentrate on sensor readings right now.
TORRES: Try.
PARIS: I can't! Stop pushing me! I don't want your help!
(Torres turns to leave.)
PARIS: I'm sorry.
TORRES: You know where to find me.
She did try to comfort him, he wasn't ready. She left calmly and offered comfort when he was ready to take it. A little unfair to insinuate that B'lanna didn't try to comfort Tom at all, calling her "pissy" when she is nothing but calm and collected in the situation when he is the one who is shouting directly in her face.
Paris: I'm sorry. (an opening, an opportunity, perhaps a request)
B'Elanna: You know where to find me. (a dismissal, and delivered as such)
B'Elanna wasn't ready when Chakotay forced her to experience the pain of the Maquis massacre, an event where she was the one being aggressive and shouting. He also said he'd stay there as long as it took. The contrast between the two is stark.
You seem to be taking this as an attempted character assassination of B'Elanna. It's not. I'm disappointed *because* of the way this paints her. She has lived experience of this, and of how defensive Paris is because she works the same way. That isn't reflected in this scene. It's a missed opportunity to see growth in them both, and *that's* what I'm disappointed by.
The first time I saw this episode I was like "Flutes all around, I guess 🤷?", lol.
I've only been watching for the first minute, but I just wanted to pause to applaud you (and your spicy brain) for the digression about TV remotes! Thank you for knowing this. You are an underrated treasure of the Internets.
So the memorial has the ability to interfere with the perception and memories of people within range of an entire solar system. Seems like the technology could be used to make a very powerful weapon or tool for mass manipulation.
The tiny hat club would love it.
Jonny Picard is now what I’m calling Picard.
You make a point that I always think about: the acting is so good. No matter how stupid an episode is the actors will hit it out of the park. I hate all of the characters except for Naomi, Seven, and the doctor, I guess… They played their parts so well that I feel that much emotion, and no one can take that away from them.
Alien: lets remember victims
America: lets remember the murderers
"punches kittens with a gun"
You, sir, have just appealed to a terrifyingly wide American audience.
As an ocean liner enthusiast, I do appreciate the screed on the running lights. I'd never have noticed for how blurry the image is. I would surmise that the Federation still uses them out of little more than tradition at this point.
I mean, trauma-induction aside, I think its a good thing to give people the semblance of first-hand experience of a historical event, especially a bad one. 80 years on, and we still have not only Holocaust deniers, but unironic antisemites. Maybe learning some damned empathy would cure them of those afflictions.
And what if the event is completely fabricated and the device is only used as a way to control others?
Paradoxically first hand accounts are historically the LEAST reliable ones. This in and of itself has been proven countless times.
How would you like to be forced an outright horror movie where you are either the monster, or victim, over and over again. Even worse if you find out it's a lie.
I'm not suggesting that's the premise of this episode, but if you can't accept, that at least, that could be the case, you have no critical thinking skills, and I suggest you stop watching TV for a few years.
@@chrisnotyou 1. You're being far too aggressive.
2. Where did I say anything about forced?
It probably also doesn't help that people have overused terms like "Nazi" and "antisemitic" to the point where they've started to lose their meaning.
@@ComradePhoenix Did the crew of the Voyager have a choice in the matter?
I feel like you're being disingenuous.
@@chrisnotyou Did I say "I really like that the crew was FORCED to experience this"? No, I didn't. This is what happens when you assume. You make an ass of yourself.
*analysis of the Zenith Space Command 600 and 600-x*
This is the content I'm here for. Much better than the "What, no WIRED remote?" cheap shot I fired at the TV when this first aired.
Tuvok: "Tuvok to Commander Chakotay, Neelex went nuts and seems to be holding Ms. Wildman hostage. Please come to the messhall to help out with this."
Chakotay: "I am sleeping. Have the transporter room beam him directly to the brig and I will deal with this in the morning. Also, have them deactivate any weapons he has on him. Good night."
Basically, Janeway doesn’t like that someone who wasn’t her tortured her crew, so she makes sure that any other passers-by will have PTSD too. And they make her an Admiral!?
Dude, do a whole friggen episode reviewing ancient TV remotes
I came here for the kitten punching and was very disappointed.
I will take digressions on anachronistic technology as often as offered.
Totally a legitimate business experience.
This is one of my favorite episodes..
An episode that is relevant today.
Captain Janeway, never one to pass up an opportunity to moralize, regardless of the actual circumstances or the consequences.
I quite liked the episode , it wasn’t perfect for your aforementioned reasons but it was pretty good. Your right though nothing new I’m fairly sure Farscape has an episode with a memorial that works much the same way. It’s been a while though might be misremembering that.
The Farscape one lets the viewer see what happened using special helmets by 'opening' a tiny wormhole to the past. Stark has a wibbly and sends everyone back to the time itself. One of the things I liked about it was seeing the Peacekeepers much closer to how they were supposed to be,
Janeway's decision at the end is abit insane. The range of the brainwave stuff seems to massively outrange a beacon, so by the time someone is hearkng the beacon, it'll be too late. Add to that, how long will the beacon last before it fails?
Also, the original memorial builders where fucking arseholes to force people to experience atrocities without context or warning. If it was because tge memorial was failing, that should have been considered at the design phase on the memorial building.
I considered the latter point. It's possible they had left a similar beacon and its orbit had decayed.
Regarding the former: well, it depends on range. The brainial science covers the system, but I think we can assume Starfleet beacons can transmit further. They wouldn't be very much use for interstellar travel if they couldn't.
More exciting Picard’s magic space flute
Same amount of brain fucking
Magic Space Flute, but they learned how to play Jethro Tull?
Fair play to Paris .
I used to thump the fuck out of the telly when ever Voyager was on.
15:40 Could be worse. You could be feeding beef burgers to swans.
It was not a flute, it was a tin whistle.
Aye, but the species in question refer to it as a flute. Who am I to argue against their culture?
@@Unlimited_Lives fair point, lets call it convergent evolution. Two cultures findin a solution to the same problem in the same way.
@@gavinmceneff5612 (to be clear: you're absolutely right that it's a tin whistle. The prop department probably just didn't have one in stock or couldn't find a box for it. In-
universe though it's a flute.)
another perfect screengrab @2:42 - Kim the opera singer :)
I know it's just a cheesey star trek episode, but this one always fuks with my head. As a vet that served in a few combat zones, this episode feels more real than a lot of things, they way they portrayed PTSD, the feeling of following orders you find questionable. How would history remember it? We're we the good guys? We're there any good guys?
First.
*gets into the soylent green machine
It delights me that people know this is the correct action now. Thank you for your sacrifice!
you could visit portsmouth historical docyard, then call that a legitimate expence. i whent there for a startreak exabition , had a lovelly day trip
Well that's an interesting though... do Trek exhibits constitute work?
it was only there a few weeks, but visit one and try, people tax exempt things that have nothing to do with there work and if you refrence it, it counts@@Unlimited_Lives
I watched this episode not too long ago and wondered how it would age; I wondered if it would come off as rather apologist for a modern audience as the titular memorial is from the point of view of the people that did killing rather than the victims. Though in story, the explanation is simple in that if you have no survivors there wont be any memories from them, but I think the individual memories they went through in the briefing room had enough debate between characters on what happened that it showcased what they were trying to get across and its hard to have deniers of atrocities and war crimes when someone come up and says "It's all real, it all happened because I was someone who did those things." and again its very rarely black and white because when taking the high road results in getting you killed, no one in good conscious can honestly say they would stick to their values no matter what.
Space dog and the ships computer in a copy of space dog with no face has broken the forth wall. 😮😂
14:14 interesting 🤔
A traditional touch.
ah, flute, nice reference!
The whole episode is just PSTD on Steroids
Why do the kittens have guns
It's Voyager. Janeway made sure every living thing, and some that aren't, have guns. Even if they don't know it.
@@Unlimited_Lives you are amazing and I should have thought of that thank you again for all your videos and wit
Lets change the ships name from Voyager to State of Texas as there are guns everywhere
As someone who played Kitten Cannon I cannot judge the man's character Space Dog. While this has been done before, I did like the idea of Memorial, the character writing, acting and makeup did work. Regards Belanna walking out in Paris, I could have understood it better if she had said something about grabbing the doc, perhaps have it that she cannot deal with Paris' trauma since it brings up bad memories of her own. At some point she admits it to him and they share a moment.
As for the timeline? Nope, I have nothing.
Now that you're more than halfway through season 6 and only have about another 34 or 35 episodes to go til "Endgame," I'm curious about what direction you'll be going in next. Will you do a run-through and review of one of the other series? I wouldn't spending the next sixteen months or so getting your take on Deep Space Nine (my favorite in the franchise), or even TNG or Enterprise. Hell, now that Paramount+ is finally available in the UK, maybe get into Strange New Worlds so that I can finally have someone I can discuss it with? I know so few people who've kept up with the latest installments like I have that I really can't even talk about it with anyone. Trying to do so would be like trying to explain money to someone who's never known the concept of wealth or scarcity. It would be nice to have someone else in the same frame of reference.
Not sure where we'll be going next (Patreon vote...), but I do know it'll be the OldTrek series before anything new. I know I'm probably screwing my viewer figures with that, but that was never what this was about. Also: I've not actually watched SNW S2 yet... Blasphemy.
@@Unlimited_Lives when you get the chance, you should. SNW honestly gives DS9 a run for its latinum.
I watched the first season and thoroughly enjoyed it. Just haven't got round to the second yet.
@@Unlimited_Lives rest assured, season 2 surpasses the bar set by season 1. Ad Astra Per Aspera made me cry (a rare feat), and in a good way. I reiterate, as soon as you can find the time, go and watch it.
SNW is fine but I just do not understand the drastic changes to the Gorn. If they wanted a Xenomorph style species why not just make up a new one? Why change the preexisting species, which we're definitely not described as a "gotta nuke from orbit" level threat. Otherwise its pretty good. The singing episode left something to be desired but also I never really liked musicals.
Correct me if im wrong, but seven wasnt affected by the ...ahem, giant dingus correct.
We don't get told explicitly either way. Chakotay throws out a "half the crew" when talking about being traumatised, but that's not helpful in knowing what quantity were affected.
honestly, that episode nowadays hits a bit closer to home.
everyone in my country are still going through what had happened a month ago and with all the awful videos and photos online (and the unpublished movie) and that everyone knows at least someone who hasn't survived its safe to say that many of us, like myself, might understand that episode too well.
Unfortunately it won't be the last time something like that happens. Hopefully one day we can grow past it and only find things like it in memorials and history books.
1:13 i was about to say the same! 🔘
Do you punch with a gun in your fist or are the kittens armed?
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8:56 neelix and chakotey swapped lines.
Spirit guy wants it off?
Coward guy wants it on?
Neelix handled a knife near a kid and had a shootout. What if he mistook her for the enemy?!
THATS traumatizing!!
And spirit jaja talk to dead guy doesn't want to respect memories while constantly whining about being respectful to cultures?
Unless you argue chakotey is a chicken, like vs Borg, and neelix leans into "dreams dream the dreamer" - i am not buying it.
If you weren't a pedant, you probably wouldn't be a Star Trek fan.
Oh god, the 'force people to experience committing atrocities' episode. Sort of like 'maybe the only way to make people appreciate the holocaust is to force them to experience it and the massive mental trauma that will inflict'
It seems to be a thing in Star Trek to give random people in space mental trauma to remember events and people. Happened to Picard in TNG
Apparently the idea of putting a monument and writing down whats happened or who lived there is an alien concept
@@Mobysimoprecident set by Kirk, who decided that the relatively non destructive form of warfare being conducted on a certain planet was wrong, and so he forced them to resort to conventional bloody warfare so they could experience the full horror themselves and hopefully decide on peace instead. Something that should only take then a few hundred thousand years going by his own planets history....
@DrewLSsix tbf to kirk, the issue wasn't simulated war, it was the whole 'people are still being killed but because buildings aren't destroyed, people aren't caring'.
Record for the most pedanticest video of all time. You still have one more season to go. You might still top yourself.
I do disagree with your analysis of the scene between Tom and B'Ellana. I disagree that she huffed out in anger, she tried to reach out to try to help him but he was too emotional and aggressive. A lot of people in real life would tell you you don't try to push yourself more when people just explode on you that way. She simply left to give him a moment and told him that he can see her when he's more ready and less emotionally unstable. I think the only minus is that this is the last scene between them and next time we see Tom Paris he's just back to his usual self, which feels very underwhelming.
Also big prompts to Garret Wong's acting as Harry Kim here, its one of his few standout performances and he did really good at playing someone with PTSD.
DUDE. Not cool.
There are *so many things* to which that could apply.