Why you no Admiral Forrest?!?! The FIRST Admiral! 😄 Forrest was so GOOD that the Vulcaniest Vulcan was willing to risk his own career to help find Forrest’s killer when Forrest died… SAVING said Vulcan.
He should be the top. He sacrificed himself to save the Vulcan Ambassador Soval. And in doing so forced Soval and the Vulcan's to take a long hard look at both themselves and the humans. In every way possible Forrest was the founding father of the Federation.
Admiral Cartwright's words about Klingons being the trash of the galaxy and that Starfleet should bring them to their knees was particularly uncomfortable for Brock Peters to say as he was a civil rights crusader, and he had to be convinced to say those lines.
I believe Cpt. Archer was also prompted to Adm., but since the series was cancelled, we only got to see his new uniform at the end of 'TATV' when he returned to hug T'Pol. Archer actually gave her a note that Trip gave him to give her-to meet him under the stairs in a dressing room. Trip had faked his death and wanted to let her know what his new mission was before he left, but Riker-Troi interfered with that story.
I could never get past the second episode of Enterprise but I just rewatched every other series in the franchise. Yes, I know people hate Discovery, but I'm pleased with your top two picks, however, I would have placed Cornwell as the top. She had a beefier role and had one of the best heroic deaths in Star Trek. She went out like a boss. Vance embodies the very spirit of the franchise that all the haters say is lacking in Discovery.
Admiral Clancy wasa a good admiral. Picard was a karen when he walked into her office wanting her to give him access to Fleet resources for what was in essence a personal project. He had no evidence to present and still expected her to do what he wanted. You might want to trade her for Admiral Pressman (TNG Pegasus)
Pressman and Kennelly would have been my next 2 dishonorable mentions. It's not even that I think Clancy's that bad. It's more a shot at her being the face of a Federation that's losing compassion and hope after the Dominion War and the Mars attack. Pressman, I at least understand. I don't like him, but I understand him, and his roll in what's certainly a not yet created Section 31.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek There were other admirals worth dissing, too. The one from Insurrection and the one from TNG S1 that took the rejuvenation serum come to mind.
I would put Dougherty or Satie on the worst list well before Clancy. I don't see her as a bad one at all. Picard went into her office asking for resources the day after an interview saying it was no longer Starfleet, after he had quite literally taken his ball and went home years prior. So, she snapped at him. But still respected him enough to have the head of Starfleet security investigate his claims.
I may have been to hard on Clancy. As I said in the video, it's not even so much her as she's the embodiment of what's wrong with Starfleet at the end of the 24th century.
Yep, and the way Picard went into the meeting asking to get a starship - I really wished she had replied with something sarcastic like "Welcome to rent-a-starship, aka starfleet. Do you wan't to see or price list" instead of STFU.
The best Admiral…it’s a toss up between Cornwall and Vance for me. I enjoy these two characters because they were given a generous amount of screen time and that allowed for a more comprehensive development of the characters. Admiral Ross would then be my number three for the same reasons. Otherwise the remainder of these Starfleet Admirals seemed to serve nothing more than plot devices and are only one or two dimensional characters as a result. I’d like to nominate Enterprise’s Admiral Forrest as an honorable mention under the Best Admirals Class.
Nechayev, AdVance, and Ross for me, in that order. Only Nechayev can intimidate olde baldie, haha. I must be misremembering Admiral Cornhole - I thought she was a coarse antagonist. Only one watchthrough, I admit.
It's a good thing you didn't put main characters that become Admirals on the list, because I don't think that Kirk would fare particularly well. He keeps pushing captains out of their commands just because he wants to be the guy in the captain's chair. He steals a ship, gets it destroyed, then provokes the Klingons. (OK, he saved some whales and kept the earth from being destroyed) But I think he is literally the only admiral in Trek history (that we know of) to get demoted.
I'll look it up, but Vance is the Mummy hunter, right? Also, if Rob Schneider messes up his apartment, he'll kill him 😆 Yep, that's him...I still recognized him after 23 years 😄
I'm a fan of Admiral Bill from Star Trek VI. He comes across, almost like a Colin Powell type of leader, than that of past Admirals like Satie or Marcus. I also like Admiral Bob, from Star Trek V. There really isnt anything to judge him on, except that he's a close friend of Jim Kirk. He's the only person who tells Captain Kirk, that his starship isnt the only one in the quadrant.
I guess I may be confused, since the Fleet Admiral entry to Memory Alpha lists Cartwright as a Fleet Admiral, but is actually the only entry there that does not include the 'Commander In Chief' title. I stand corrected.
I remember an Admiral (Retired) in the Next Generation who is just as bad as Professor Umbridge in Harry Potter. In fact Admiral Satie and Professor Umbridge would make a dangerous combination.
Nacheyev, for me, is a tough call. She's an interesting Admiral and Natalija Nogulich who plays her is excellent. She has some great lines and isn't one-dimensional. However, she gets massive minus points for displacing the Indigenous Peoples in Journey's End. A decision which directly led to the formation of the Marquis.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Yes, I remember that now. I think she said something about arguing about it with (the rest) of Starfleet? Good actor, and my personal favourite.
If the Federation needed two Star Fleet officers to lead them out of a almost extinction-like event and rebuild the Federation, I would want Admirals Janeway and Nechayev to serve as Co-CIC of Star Fleet with Cmdr. Shelby serving as their Chief of Staff. Those three would get things done! Ro and Seven could be their Inspecting Generals to make sure things on "the ground" are going as planned.
@@SantomPh Part of me wondered how "close" was Janeway to Admiral Paris. I wouldnt be suprised if theres a level of favortism, looking out for the son of an Admiral, who gave her command of Voyager. Captain Janeway could have promoted Harry to Lieutenant, when Tom Paris was demoted to Ensign. But, she chose to leave the Lieutenant's spot for Tom Paris.
I don't know anything about the Discovery one as I refuse to wach. I think Ross and Paris are probably the top two. I'm surprised Pressman didn't make the bad list.
Show me one that did something interesting? There's Vulcan admiral on the title card! That's as good as you get. The writers should portray some non-human Admirals well, in the future.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Admiral Kennelly. From the episode 'Ensign Ro', he was the one who was duped by the Cardassians into sending the Enterprise to hunt the Bajoran rebels. He certainly deserves to be in the 5 worst.
Norah Satie didn't make "the worst"? I know she was portrayed as a retired admiral in the Drumhead but she betrayed core principles of ANY free society not just the Federation.
I don't think Haftel was that bad. From what I remember he wasn't dissmising the rights of Data or Lal he was questioning the wisdom of raising the only other sentient android on a starship and didn't want to allow her to remain on board. She and Data buy that point had rights but being on the Enterpise wasn't one of them. Haftel was wrong IMO but he wasn't a bad guy.
Certainly entitled to your opinion, but you might want to rewatch his portrayal. He comes off as the most callous Admiral up to that point, with no regard people's wishes.
In Trek Commodores are often people too senior to be captain but not qualified to be Admiral. They fall into jobs like commanding the Fleet Museum, Starbases, head of security and in some cases captaining their own ship, like Decker
Ummm? Wut? You had the two Disco blocks of wood in #1 and 2... Ahead of Ross? and didn't even bring Enterprises Forrest onto the top 5? W! T! F! Bad form Best of Worst of, Very Bad form.
Admiral Cornwell in Discovery with Dr. Culber scene when she’s becomes a therapist add aids a fellow crew member who’s 🏳️🌈 spoked volume to me since I’m 🏳️🌈 and she accepted our non tolerated community 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️plus heard his dilemma with an open mind and heart speaks volumes to how Star Trek is beyond progressive thoughts but about recognizing love for love. 👏👏👏🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🖖
Regarding your list, you can remove all admirals from Discovery and Picard. They do not exist in Roddenberry's Star Trek. They live in J.J. Abram's post Star Trek reboot schism.
Good, Roddenberry's Trek is generally garbage. Great world builder, but there's good reason every studio that ever gave him real control regretted it soon after. Everything labeled Trek is Trek, if you don't like it...good for you.
@@sergioaccioly5219 No. I based it on watching every episode of Discovery and Picard and comparing what I saw with every episode of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek eh technically, however some things don't retain the spirit of Trek. It feels like they don't have any real artistic reason to make the current trek content. They just need something with star trek in the name to hopefully make some money. With how inconsistent with past lore and information and tone of the older star trek properties, the new shows may as well be in a seperate timeline just as the Kelvin films are. But yeah saying anything is that thing because it has the title in it, I think isn't good, it allows companies to just make anything without thought or care and slap the franchise name on it.
Why you no Admiral Forrest?!?! The FIRST Admiral! 😄 Forrest was so GOOD that the Vulcaniest Vulcan was willing to risk his own career to help find Forrest’s killer when Forrest died… SAVING said Vulcan.
Just because he didn't make the top 5 doesn't mean I don't think he was a good Admiral! He certainly was!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek much better than anyone you had on here. Was it cause he was xxxxx?
@@ihl8608 He's totally a top 10!
He did mention federation. United earth does not count
@@christopherwilson7092 no, the title said "starfleet's..." Since starfleet already existed before federation he can be counted
Admiral Maxwell Forrest would be in my top five best admirals.
He should be the top. He sacrificed himself to save the Vulcan Ambassador Soval. And in doing so forced Soval and the Vulcan's to take a long hard look at both themselves and the humans. In every way possible Forrest was the founding father of the Federation.
I know. A travesty that he’s not even mentioned
Because it was before Federation, but indeed he was remarkable.
I never realized how many hairstyles Admiral Nechayev had.
There's so much of your soul you'd have to give up by the time you get to be an Admiral.
Admiral Cartwright's words about Klingons being the trash of the galaxy and that Starfleet should bring them to their knees was particularly uncomfortable for Brock Peters to say as he was a civil rights crusader, and he had to be convinced to say those lines.
They invited him back to be Ben Sisko's cranky creole chef father, at least
Good evening Dustin, I agree with your list and I CAN'T say ANYONE is better then Admiral Vance
I believe Cpt. Archer was also prompted to Adm., but since the series was cancelled, we only got to see his new uniform at the end of 'TATV' when he returned to hug T'Pol. Archer actually gave her a note that Trip gave him to give her-to meet him under the stairs in a dressing room. Trip had faked his death and wanted to let her know what his new mission was before he left, but Riker-Troi interfered with that story.
Part of that has to come from Oded Fehr (pretty sure I spelled that wrong). Underrated actor with good charisma I've liked since The Mummy.
@@richard77231 HE WAS GREAT IN THE MUMMY
' TWO MOVIES
I could never get past the second episode of Enterprise but I just rewatched every other series in the franchise. Yes, I know people hate Discovery, but I'm pleased with your top two picks, however, I would have placed Cornwell as the top. She had a beefier role and had one of the best heroic deaths in Star Trek. She went out like a boss. Vance embodies the very spirit of the franchise that all the haters say is lacking in Discovery.
Admiral Nechayev (Natalia Nogulich) is my friend's neighbor IRL. She's a nice person, always ready to make you laugh.
I heard she's a wonderful person and loves the conventions!
was not expecting that banger intro HAHAHAH!
Admiral Forrest was the best of all. Excellent Admiral.
All I see when Marcus is on screen- Robocop in space!
Hahaha, dead or alive Kirk, you're coming with me...ok, dead 😄
Admiral Clancy wasa a good admiral. Picard was a karen when he walked into her office wanting her to give him access to Fleet resources for what was in essence a personal project. He had no evidence to present and still expected her to do what he wanted. You might want to trade her for Admiral Pressman (TNG Pegasus)
Pressman and Kennelly would have been my next 2 dishonorable mentions. It's not even that I think Clancy's that bad. It's more a shot at her being the face of a Federation that's losing compassion and hope after the Dominion War and the Mars attack. Pressman, I at least understand. I don't like him, but I understand him, and his roll in what's certainly a not yet created Section 31.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek There were other admirals worth dissing, too. The one from Insurrection and the one from TNG S1 that took the rejuvenation serum come to mind.
No Admiral Satie? She's a great example of one who presumably started off good but went off the rails in a big way.
That's why she's not here. Seems like she probably had a distinguished career, but tried too hard to remain relevant in the end. Not best or worst.
She was a judicial Admiral, which means she can't be rated like field officers.
Admiral Satie. Retired but still... Her tirade was enough.
Great video. Good calls for both 5.
I would put Dougherty or Satie on the worst list well before Clancy. I don't see her as a bad one at all.
Picard went into her office asking for resources the day after an interview saying it was no longer Starfleet, after he had quite literally taken his ball and went home years prior.
So, she snapped at him.
But still respected him enough to have the head of Starfleet security investigate his claims.
I may have been to hard on Clancy. As I said in the video, it's not even so much her as she's the embodiment of what's wrong with Starfleet at the end of the 24th century.
Yep, and the way Picard went into the meeting asking to get a starship - I really wished she had replied with something sarcastic like "Welcome to rent-a-starship, aka starfleet. Do you wan't to see or price list" instead of STFU.
This is a respectable list. I've always wanted to so one myself, since i love good and bad admirals in ST cannon and expanded media like STO.
...but who's the best Ensign?
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Harry Kim, that lovable nerd. Naomi Wildman is a honorable mention.
@@IN-tm8mw Been trying to figure out if there are even 5 best or 5 worth looking at in that category.
I don't know about "best", but my favorite was, and is, Necheyev. I just love her!
The best Admiral…it’s a toss up between Cornwall and Vance for me. I enjoy these two characters because they were given a generous amount of screen time and that allowed for a more comprehensive development of the characters. Admiral Ross would then be my number three for the same reasons. Otherwise the remainder of these Starfleet Admirals seemed to serve nothing more than plot devices and are only one or two dimensional characters as a result.
I’d like to nominate Enterprise’s Admiral Forrest as an honorable mention under the Best Admirals Class.
I agree with Forrest for honorable mention
Someone you've forgotten, especially when you think that the Kelvin timeline is canon. Ed Jellico was promoted to Admiral later.
That's like ranking Janeway as best for a portrayal as captain and barely enough to go on to know if she's a good Admiral. Nice callback though!
I'd consider the worst admiral, was admiral Doucherty in Insurrection.
I think we all knew this was gonna end with the Dadmiral.
Love me some Vance! Enjoyed him in the Resident Evil movies, too!
Nechayev, AdVance, and Ross for me, in that order. Only Nechayev can intimidate olde baldie, haha.
I must be misremembering Admiral Cornhole - I thought she was a coarse antagonist. Only one watchthrough, I admit.
Totally agree, especially Vance for the win!
I am my own favorite Admiral... lol jk I agree with Vance being great, I also really liked Admiral Ross' character
It's a good thing you didn't put main characters that become Admirals on the list, because I don't think that Kirk would fare particularly well. He keeps pushing captains out of their commands just because he wants to be the guy in the captain's chair. He steals a ship, gets it destroyed, then provokes the Klingons. (OK, he saved some whales and kept the earth from being destroyed) But I think he is literally the only admiral in Trek history (that we know of) to get demoted.
Kirk is lucky he is only demoted in rank
while other admirals got demoted... permanently (dead- marcus, buenamigo, etc.)
Kirk was fine as Commandant of the Academy, then they dragged him and Enterprise out to the Genesis incident
I'll look it up, but Vance is the Mummy hunter, right?
Also, if Rob Schneider messes up his apartment, he'll kill him 😆
Yep, that's him...I still recognized him after 23 years 😄
I know all TOS admirals don't have enough screen time to determine good or bad but what about commodores Decker or Stocker?
I thought about Decker. He's willing to lay down his life in the end, but as an admiral, he crumbled under pressure, and Stocker is pretty average.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek If you are looking for a good guy TOS Comodore, Mendez from The Menagerie.
I'd loved to have seen Vice Admiral Nechayev in DS9 & the TNG films.
She was in DS9's "The Maquis"
I'm a fan of Admiral Bill from Star Trek VI. He comes across, almost like a Colin Powell type of leader, than that of past Admirals like Satie or Marcus.
I also like Admiral Bob, from Star Trek V. There really isnt anything to judge him on, except that he's a close friend of Jim Kirk. He's the only person who tells Captain Kirk, that his starship isnt the only one in the quadrant.
Pressman? Surely should be on the "worst" list.
Cartwright wasn't C-in-C - it was some dude named Bill who was shown in Star Trek VI.
I guess I may be confused, since the Fleet Admiral entry to Memory Alpha lists Cartwright as a Fleet Admiral, but is actually the only entry there that does not include the 'Commander In Chief' title. I stand corrected.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Yeah I thought Cartwright was in charge in Star Trek IV!
Cartwright had a point. I'd get sick and tired of an ally always looking for an excuse to start a war because they see it as a sport.
He may not be a Federation Starfleet Admiral, but, I think Admiral Forrest from Enterprise was a good one.
He is a Starfleet Admiral, and he's a good one! Too bad there's only 5 spots...
A federationcentric Perspective.
The Dominion would rank them in Reverse.
Fortunately, I don't think we've had any sociologists in Trek.
the best is ADMIRAL KIRK
You might not be wrong. But I decided to omit the major characters that became Admirals later in their career.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Kirk was, by far, a better captain than admiral, though.
Admiral Paris is a good man
I remember an Admiral (Retired) in the Next Generation who is just as bad as Professor Umbridge in Harry Potter. In fact Admiral Satie and Professor Umbridge would make a dangerous combination.
Admiral Mark Jamison?
Disregard.. You are referring the admiral in "The Drumhead".....
Commodore is a one star admiral. Like a Brigadier General. Often a field officer.
I would add retired rear admiral Norah Satie in TNG's "The Drumhead" on the worst list.
I can see that. But it seems like she had a distinguished career, just went astray at the end to try and stay relevant.
Nacheyev, for me, is a tough call. She's an interesting Admiral and Natalija Nogulich who plays her is excellent. She has some great lines and isn't one-dimensional. However, she gets massive minus points for displacing the Indigenous Peoples in Journey's End. A decision which directly led to the formation of the Marquis.
Even though she does show that she objected to her orders, but that just proves she's 100% Starfleet, even when she doesn't agree.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Yes, I remember that now. I think she said something about arguing about it with (the rest) of Starfleet? Good actor, and my personal favourite.
If the Federation needed two Star Fleet officers to lead them out of a almost extinction-like event and rebuild the Federation, I would want Admirals Janeway and Nechayev to serve as Co-CIC of Star Fleet with Cmdr. Shelby serving as their Chief of Staff. Those three would get things done! Ro and Seven could be their Inspecting Generals to make sure things on "the ground" are going as planned.
Seconded!
Admiral Cartwright had a son who became a Captain 😂😂😂
What about admiral forrest from enterprise I know its not the federation bit he was still good
It was still Starfleet, and Admiral Forrest is quite good, he just doesn't quite climb into the top 5 for me, but a good one!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek He died by saving Ambassador Soval's life.
They are foils to make the captains look good.
Yeah where is Forrest?
Hmmmm
That's why Tom Paris got promoted ( Father an Admiral)before Harry Kim. Should of got promoted at same time.
Tom was a Lieutenant on the Exeter when he got caught helping the Maquis. Janeway basically reinstated him
@@SantomPh Part of me wondered how "close" was Janeway to Admiral Paris.
I wouldnt be suprised if theres a level of favortism, looking out for the son of an Admiral, who gave her command of Voyager.
Captain Janeway could have promoted Harry to Lieutenant, when Tom Paris was demoted to Ensign. But, she chose to leave the Lieutenant's spot for Tom Paris.
@@robertpolityka8464 should HAVE
I don't know anything about the Discovery one as I refuse to wach. I think Ross and Paris are probably the top two. I'm surprised Pressman didn't make the bad list.
Charles Vance is my favorite starfleet admiral
How did Admiral Forrest not on the top 5 list?
If there were a #6, he'd be it
Forest was not admiral of Federation guys :D
@@lukkka7435 the setting in the description is star trek, meaning not necessarily only federation admirals.
@@lukkka7435check title.. it says starfleet... and star fleet already existed even before fed
What about that Cat 😺😺😺 Admiral
Why the focus on only Human Admirals? No Vulcan, Andorian or other non-terran?
Totally unacceptable.
Show me one that did something interesting? There's Vulcan admiral on the title card! That's as good as you get. The writers should portray some non-human Admirals well, in the future.
No Admiral Doherty??
Admiral Patrick.
Totally an honorable mention!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Admiral Kennelly. From the episode 'Ensign Ro', he was the one who was duped by the Cardassians into sending the Enterprise to hunt the Bajoran rebels. He certainly deserves to be in the 5 worst.
@@HariSeldon913 He'd be my #6
Why not Admiral Patrick? That's a stupid question!
I choose Clyde Kusatsu's portrayals of Admiral Nakamura.
An interesting random Admiral appearing 3 times across the run of TNG. A very, to the point Admiral.
Norah Satie didn't make "the worst"? I know she was portrayed as a retired admiral in the Drumhead but she betrayed core principles of ANY free society not just the Federation.
She is pretty bad, but there are definitely worse. Nobody died because of her witch hunt. She'd probably be #6
I don't think Haftel was that bad. From what I remember he wasn't dissmising the rights of Data or Lal he was questioning the wisdom of raising the only other sentient android on a starship and didn't want to allow her to remain on board. She and Data buy that point had rights but being on the Enterpise wasn't one of them. Haftel was wrong IMO but he wasn't a bad guy.
Certainly entitled to your opinion, but you might want to rewatch his portrayal. He comes off as the most callous Admiral up to that point, with no regard people's wishes.
If memory serves, he wasn't thrilled with taking them both off of the ship. He specifically wanted them separated.
Commodore is an admiral
In Trek Commodores are often people too senior to be captain but not qualified to be Admiral. They fall into jobs like commanding the Fleet Museum, Starbases, head of security and in some cases captaining their own ship, like Decker
5 Best?
There's more than one?
Admiral Ross was the best, sorry.
Don't appologize. These lists are meant to start discussion! He certainly did his duty well during time of war.
Agreed on Vance being the best Admiral
I could see Picard working under him
Best admiral is JP Hanson.
No Ronnie Cox?
he was a captain
Ummm? Wut? You had the two Disco blocks of wood in #1 and 2... Ahead of Ross? and didn't even bring Enterprises Forrest onto the top 5? W! T! F! Bad form Best of Worst of, Very Bad form.
lol no love for jameson
Where was Dougherty? He was pure crapulence.
Marcus's intentions don't stack up because it was a rubbish film. Coukd have been a good film at least but it ended up being rubbish.
The top 2 Admirals in Discover? No. That show is a dumpster fire.
So...even when you don't generally like a show...EVERYTHING about it is automatically bad??
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek It’s an insult to Star Trek. It’s not even Star Trek.
Admiral Cornwell in Discovery with Dr. Culber scene when she’s becomes a therapist add aids a fellow crew member who’s 🏳️🌈 spoked volume to me since I’m 🏳️🌈 and she accepted our non tolerated community 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️plus heard his dilemma with an open mind and heart speaks volumes to how Star Trek is beyond progressive thoughts but about recognizing love for love. 👏👏👏🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🖖
Regarding your list, you can remove all admirals from Discovery and Picard. They do not exist in Roddenberry's Star Trek. They live in J.J. Abram's post Star Trek reboot schism.
Good, Roddenberry's Trek is generally garbage. Great world builder, but there's good reason every studio that ever gave him real control regretted it soon after. Everything labeled Trek is Trek, if you don't like it...good for you.
Sour grapes, man. Sour grapes.
@@sergioaccioly5219 No. I based it on watching every episode of Discovery and Picard and comparing what I saw with every episode of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.
Your number one best was definitely not mine.
Since JJ Trek, Discovery and Picard are not real Star Trek, those picks are out
Everything labeled Trek...is Trek.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek incorrect
Anyway
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek eh technically, however some things don't retain the spirit of Trek. It feels like they don't have any real artistic reason to make the current trek content. They just need something with star trek in the name to hopefully make some money. With how inconsistent with past lore and information and tone of the older star trek properties, the new shows may as well be in a seperate timeline just as the Kelvin films are.
But yeah saying anything is that thing because it has the title in it, I think isn't good, it allows companies to just make anything without thought or care and slap the franchise name on it.
You could stop being a manchild and accept the fact that shit changes