The TRUTH about CHEAP USED Motorcycles
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2024
- In todays video am going to discuss the truth in my opinion on used bikes
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In the UK many dealers will not fix or even service bikes that are more than 10 years old. They're too much aggravation (seized bolts, fragile electrics , etc) and then get lots of complaints when customers see the labour charge. There's also an element of trouble getting spare parts, even for dealers.
I mean fair enough in many cases those dealers are right if you are Not working with some Kind of succsess fee Arrangement as a Small Mechanic those bikes can be Bad business. And yes the Part Situation for my xj a carburator Membrane and a hole Engine is the Same Price on eBay
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I think the bigger question is if the person buying something like this has a garage, the tools, and the skills to be able to do the work on the bike. If you do not have these 3 things, stay the heck away from old bikes, as they will cost you far more than a newer model to begin with, but far more so if you pay someone else to do the work.
there's two types of people in this world people who work on their own motorcycles and people who shouldn't ride
Cost of parts only: new tires 400EUR, new chain and sprockets 100EUR, new brake lines 150EUR, carb kit 100EUR , oil+ filters 100EUR. There is a reason why the current owner wants to get rid of it.
Often thats the case but you also have bikes Standings for a year when people are not able to Ride anymore even tho they liked after the bike, also always depends a Bit on the Model
Depends on your local market prices - I got brand new tires for 200EUR, oil + filters 30 EUR and I ride fuel injected Honda CBR 1100xx which is not the cheapest to maintain. My total yearly cost of insurance and inspection is 50 EUR. If there's no issues with frame, engine, rust... you do the maintenance and the old bike can be almost invulnerable.
my xj600 came with a 19 year old front tire that was the first thing i replaced :D
Been there done that. Depending on what you buy yes it might be money pit. But you still have fun. You learn a lot on beater 😂
I agree ☺️
I learned that yamaha viragos are not worth it lmao. Nice bike when it worked, but it didn't do that too often...
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Haha thanks ☺️
This topic will be always interesting. Cool. You clarified a lot of things. Got my like.
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Nice video thank you. I'm enjoying all of them. But the elephant in the room was surely your improvised microphone with the wooden spoon, right?
I had a 1984 Kawasaki GPz 750 since 1987 (bought used with 4000 miles on it). I rode it almost every year til 2009 when I sold it, primarily because I bought a used Suzuki vstrom 650. The new bike was so far superior in every way, and factor in that my GPz needed new wheel bearings, brake rotors, pads, drivetrain, and most of the rubber bits were ozone and dry rotted....it needed a lot of work for me to actually feel safe riding it from a mechanical point of view. I just was not motivated to refurbish my old bike to get it into shape, as I'd have to do it myself as no motorcycle shops will touch a bike over 20 years old..... (and once you go to fuel injection its hard to accept carburators ! It's not fun adjusting the float bowl heights on four carburators!). Old bikes may appear inexpensive, but it's all the little bits that will let you down so beware.
Habe made similar experiances but want to Master the hole Carbs thing definitly
The endless misery of trying to keep my 10 year old used Hyosung Aquila on the road. Nobody will touch it so I have to burn through money and time in a frustrating struggle learning how to fix it.
My relationship with an old XJ600 is a bit of a romantic hobby. I've had a bike on & off for over 50 years so am happy to mainly maintain and upgrade it so it keeps going with very low mileage being a fair-weather motorcyclist. These older bikes are at least lacking modern features so are pretty easy to service and were never meant to be state of the art even though damn fun to ride. Keep up the good work on the channel.
Thank you Trying my best to do so
It depends on what you want from your motorcycling experience. I have 3 bikes. One is a 2019 model and 2 are from 2000 and 2003 (4 and 2 carbs respectively) The amount of satisfaction I get when riding on a bike I fixed is intoxicating. The new bike is just a vehicle. The other 2 are passion. I want to sell the 2019 one and buy an even older bike to fix. If you just want to ride from point A to point B as efficiently and safely as possible just buy a new model. If you want more, buy something older.
If a 25 year old bike is still running and drives ok then what is the problem??
These newer bikes whil never reach that age
I would recommend the opposite. Start with an old cheap bike (in decent shape) simply because there's so much to learn from an old bike and if you've been riding a new bike for the last 5 years, I don't think you would want to downgrade to an old one to learn those lessons.
In general right, but I think many people want to ride bikes casually and don’t want to even start dealing with stuff so I basically said that for them, as that’s probably the majority
@@FreeMilesMCYou're right, where I live it takes at least a month, two exams and a thousand $CAD to get the permit and the cost of registering a bike is so high for only 6 months of riding (8 if you're hardcore) add the danger of riding and most casual riders don't even finalise their permit (it takes a year to do so). I guess I forgot that elsewhere you can ride casually without feeling like you're wasting your money.
How mutch does it cost to Register a bike?
2300$ a year for "dangerous motorcycle" 800$ for 401 cc or more and 550$ for 126 to 400 cc. Insurance is a similar game.
Spot on 👍🏻
I changed my oil and the filter in my driveway in 30 minutes. I buy cheap tires that last long. Chain and sprockets are wearing parts like tires. New battery of course. The real expence is what broke that took it off the road in the first place. Any one who buys a $500-$1,000 bike knows it is going to cost money for repairs. I just had the carburetor on my Sportster cleaned for the first time in 25 years. A 3 years old Japanese motorcycles is different from a bike that has been in storage for 20 years. Parts for 10 years old Japanese motorcycles are hard to get. British motorcycles need parts so parts are available plus stuff you couldn't get in the 1960's like belt drive primary, and electric starters conversion for BSA Gold Star and Norton Commandos. Some owners just quit riding. HD guys just ride weekends so they have low mileage. Estate sale are good places to find bargains. You have to consider all the aspects of a situation. I got a beautiful Triumph TR-25 W cheap because a guy broke his leg riding his other bike and wife said sell the other one and I bought it for $500. It's great on sand trails and goes 60 mph down a dirt road. Light enough to pick up and set down on a milk crate.
The biggest benefit of getting a newer bike is definetly ABS in my opinion. I live working on my motorcycles but my 650 is just a pain sometimes. Too much plastic and no easy access... but fuel economy and ABS are just too good to ignore.
Yes especially the abs part as it greatly increases safety ☺️
I hate that sh☆t....😊
I can only adjust minor stuff on my bike and I can say that I would prefer new bike made in China (Benelli, CF Moto etc. I dont mean complete random no brand bike) than 50 % cheaper 15 years old European/Japanese one.
I have to admit - when I was at the university, I was seriously thinking about buying YBR250 to travel the Europe. But I had no money to expand my driving licence from A1 :D
I think the usefulness of cheap bikes depend a lot on where you live. In Germany for example, salaries are high enough for most people that you can save up 5k for a slightly used bike, or a down payment on a new bike relatively quickly. Also, mechanics have to make their German wages + taxes of course. Also your time is more valuable there, you can work a side job for good money instead of putting endless hours into an old bike. The bike needs to pass a pretty serious inspection to be legal.
In the Balkans where I live, you can get a decent mechanic for cheap, because they mostly work in their own garages and pay no taxes. The inspection here is a joke, you need lights and brakes to be legal. I have had luck with cars and bikes in the 2-4k euro range, traveled across most of Europe and commuted locally.
Yes ofcourse thibgs like that Play a gute role in this aswell ☺️
Good advice.
Thank you ☺️
I’ve generally done well with used dual sport bikes of all sorts of ages. But - must be running, all electrics working properly, and registered. If not I walk away.
Also - immediate full service, tyres if needed, and check chain, sprockets, and seals (forks, engine, drive sprocket).
I got very lucky with my motorcycle, bought a super new looking sv 650 s 1st gen. 1600 euro is what i paid but it also had a 600km old backtire, new brake fluid and pads, oil maybe 600km old. Super shiny. I will ofcourse continue the good maintenance since the bike is in such good state
im lucky i have a motercycle breaker near me so spare parts are only a ride away :D ive only owned older bikes but yea you have to do research to know if parts are easy to get and if the bike is easy to work on ,just getting farrings for older bikes can be a pain but then you can always modify things and run them naked
but for a new rider a moderish bike with ABS fuel injection etc is alot easyer to learn on
If you need the bike to start every morning without stressing your over (you know, to go to work), I'd rather buy the cheapest new bike possible (think BMW G310R, CFmoto 300SS, Honda CB300R, Yamaha MT-03) keep that for 2-3 years then get the bike I truly wanted from the start..or keep the current one if it's enough bike for me
I bought my first bike, an XJ600 Diversion in 2023 - It still had the original tires on it from 1993 lol - then later I sold it, and the guy who bought it could not afford new tires, so he still rolls on those '93 tires...
It was like that for me with my Yamaha xj 600 also did my First motorcycle Trip to morocco on 11 year old tiers😬
@@FreeMilesMC I'm currently running 10 year old tyres. I've put the money aside for the new ones.
@chrishart8548 thats good as old tiers are quite sqetchy often😬
I also bought my xj600s last year with tires from 2011. I changed those with a pair of bt46. I also do everything myself. I tell all my customers that can’t afford to maintain their cars or bikes to take the bus. This is not a joke and there are other ppl on the road that you can put in danger
What would be a be a good starter budget for a Japanese bike? 4000 to 5000 euro? I live in The Netherlands.
At 5000 you have many options depends on what you like
In June 2021 I bought a used Yamaha Diversion 600S from 2001 with only 5400 km on it. It had the original tires fitted. With new tires and cleaning the carbs, it runs fine.
But... it takes a long time to heat up. Once hot it is a nice little bike that feels faster than it actually is. I did about 11000 km on it so far with an average mileage of 25 km/liter.
You should run it on premium fuel NOT E10...
Sadly in some places you only get e 10 that’s why mine had to run on it 6000 kilometers, ran pretty shit 😬
@@FreeMilesMC You can try to add a fuel additive when you have to run it on E10.
I got to port my bike engine, installed camshaft from honda 230 and rear shock from bmw 310 back, carb, in Ukraine at street near my appartment X) it's not easy but when you learn more and more about your bike , you just bring that engine into your room and tear it appart while watching video on youtube how to do it. Now I'm moving to Europe, left all my stuff back there, I hope I can fix some old dr 650 and use it for the first times 😂
I've a 1988 Vf750c it had 6 owners before me .Owned it now for 7 years and it runs beautifully. It has 24,500 miles on the clock and I even prefere it to my 2007 Gsx1400.
So i have a 25 year old motorcycle, Suzuki sv650s, and yes, problems will show up as it did allready, its part of the process and im learning alot for sure. Mechanically its in very good shape, the problem is the old electronics, but i dont care, im enjoying learning,
I am also trying to learn the best I can.
I think it's a myth that you could expect a lightyears better deal when buying any vehicle in the 2k pricetag region. When you have less than 5k to shell out, you are at the bottom end of the market. Expect the worst. You may just as well go shopping with the expectation that what you get will be a death trap and it'll be up to your own labour and judgement to get a usable machine out off it. My cheapest car was DM 150.- and carried me to work and back for over two years! You will have to understand that the price of the vehicle is part one of the bill. Next come the spares and liquids that need changing and then the tools. If you have a grand to spend, 500 is what the vehicle may be. If you have 2 grand, 1300 to 1500 are available for the actual vehicle.
And yes, it requires skill, dedication, time and energy to make such a deal work. Fixing all the neglect and cutting costs and corners by the pre-owners is on you. That's the deal. Be rich or be owner of a rolling restoration. If you can't live with that, there's hobbies like crochet or nordic walking.
Me, I think that in a time where a simple stupid bicycle will cost you 2 grand new, having a real engined vehicle for les than one is exciting in itself.
My own bicycle, a Specialized Cross Roads, was DM 599.- by the way. Bought in 1994, still going strong. It has thousands upon thousands of kilometres under the belt, basically only the frame and handlebar yoke still are original. 🤗F**k the greedy industries, fix and maintain stuff, I say! 💪 Don't consume, own!
Lods of things to agree with here, even tho i have to say for 5 Grand you can get some really solid stuff. I have gotten my interceptor for 4 and was thinking about potentially buying a hymalayan 411 for Trips as the bike is falling in value do to the new one coming out and it’s a really solid bike. Also my vw Passat I took on 250000 km and many crazy adventures and used for vanlive and on the Nürburgring race track was in this price range
@@FreeMilesMC Buying a Suzuki GSX-R for 5k, I would inspect the frame very closely for crash damage and being straight and solid already. A Harley for 5K? Expect a basket case. Yes, Enfield cost that money new.
With most other makers, it's roughly the 50% of price new range. That's where the bad deals start. You may find real steals there, or absolute disaster. A neighbour of mine got a Golf with the infamous TSI engine for 5K. Fixing the bugger cost him another 5K soon after. 4 new pistons, timing chain, the whole shebang.
I think it is important to note that age doesn't mean it's unreliable. If the bike is well maintained it is probably gonna be perfectly fine. I dailyd a 40 year old bike for the past 2 years and it hasn't let me down once. It is admittedly a dead simple two stroke that has basically no electronics.
The point about something being cheap. This is not just about motorcycles, but anything in life: clothes, laptops, watches. One is afraid to damage them or that they will get stolen. For example, I bought a car with 12 years on the clock, and had it now for another 14 years. Scratches, dents, nothing matters. Recently I detached front bumper, because it got stuck while riding from the sidewalk (that's normal, that's how we supposed to park). Fixing was cheap. And like bikes the car has a lot of quirks - speakers don't work properly, you cannot lock/unlock car with a key button anymore, coolant tubes needed replacing due to age and started to leak, water in rain leaks, etc. But it always starts and goes even at -25C.
However, the same as with bikes, if I was using that car more than 4000km per year, I would buy a new(er) one without quirks. But since I barely use it, it's perfect.
Do some recearch before getting a bike. How much you can you spend not just getting the bike but maintain it also. How much do spare parts of a surthen bike cost. Can you do maintenens work yourself. Etc etc. You might not end up with the bike you really would like to have, but you can ride knowing you wont bankrupt yourself.
That is actually very solid advice ☺️
I got my xj600 51j for 600€
Cleaned the Carbs and it runs really good
Often with bikes Like that you have to do the Carbs and then they are great ☺️
I think you need a new bike, and a cheap older bike for wrenching on that's maybe tax and MOT exempt. Your new bike will spend time off the road at times so you have a backup bike either way.
Thats ofcourse perfekt ☺️
Of course, I agree.....but this option is not for EVERYBODY. There are people who don't want to make hands dirty and learn mechanics....they are lazy with thick wallet ! 😅
Yes exactly that was also the main motivation for this video. As I think many people would be better of with going for a new or slightly used bike
Yes....but this " new fashion " with " adventure " bikes is pure marketing, is ridiculous. So expensive, so HEAVY bikes , super expensive to repair and you are supposed to drop them all the time. They are posers bikes , same with lot of Harley riders. RUBS ! @FreeMilesMC
Don't know where your finding such cheap used bikes. I just spent 2years looking over here ( US ) and prices were outrageous, almost as much as new ! I'm 71 and receive a low disability income. I finally bought a 2001 BMW F650 Gs for $2K US dollars.its a cute and interesting little bike.
Maybe try finding a Yamaha xj 600 for you the Yamaha seca 2they are the Most Common cheap bike here in Europe eBay is Full of them all of them in red for around 600 Euros there are so many in my area i own 2.
Or maybe if you want to find somthing similar to the bmw Search for Kawasaki kle 500 they are rarer with a low Price but you should find one for 1000-1500
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150k in three years and all while filming and doing this, and probably you even still have some kind of other job. This is crazy!
Yes it really is it was especially a lot last year. I hope that this channel will work out at some point
Just bought a used bike. 2500km on meter. Saved 1200 dollars
I wish this were true about the USA. I swear, people in this country refuse to part with anything that has a running engine for less than $2500
Well the very cheap bikes here in Europe are also just a few specific Models i have Seen a few Videos on the Yamaha seca 2 being cheap in the US aswell maybe thats a start
@@FreeMilesMC I was just wondering, what gear do you use for recording your trips? I don't recall you making a video on it. Most specifically I'm curious about how you record audio without excessive wind noise; etc. It doesn't sound like you film first and record later.
Because USA is an entitled waste of resources. I also pay 300€ rent on an apartment that would cost 2000-3000$ in USA, perhaps even more
Old bikes have sence if you are buying it in general good conditions and you are focused to service it on your own. Sometimes 1000$ is not enough but you can get the same bike in around 2000 $ and it is steel cheap bike, but it will seve you a lot of flustrafion. So at first cheap bikes are ok, but no too cheap :) It is not a problem to do a lot on your own in bike but at first you need time and start from easier jobs - changing oil, changing sealings, chains, filters, ect it is a lot easier to lern than changing timing chain or working with carbs. It will alows you to save a lot. By the time you will learn your bike and you will not be affraid of doing more advanced jobs. And last case. Most begginers don;t fix the bike if the bloblems starts - they are waiting till it is too late for easy fix - for example carbs. At first the bike starts to work on 3 cylinders, have problems with starting - this is the moment to look at carbs, and fix them relatively easy. If you are waiting till the bike stops running - it is already too late to fix it fast and easy becouse usually there is cumulation of broblems and final bill grows really fast.
Experianced this exact cycle myself as a beginner
I can't have used vehicles. I tend to spend huge amounts of money to fix them to work like factory intended.
Well good Habit for a restoration Projekt i guess ☺️
@@FreeMilesMC Yes but not enough money for it :)
My Diversion 600 cost me £300 with parts and it ran for just over 1 year before dying pathetically.
I would say thats great vallue for Money☺️
If you have no clue about mechanics, don’t buy an old one. Issues will rise and if you take it into shop every time, the labor cost will get you bankrupt. I bought my xj600 with quite a few issues. I changed tires, clutch discs, brake pads, TPS sensor, spark plugs, throttle tube, adjusted the chain, installed bar raisers. The labor cost for all of this probably would have matched the bike’s price.
All things besides the TPS are consumables. You expect to change those at a certain mileage. So you just did regular maintenance, no issues there.
As long as parts are available, the older and simpler the better. Just my opinion, but older tech is just easier to fix. And what you don’t know …. YT videos. Ta da 😁
@@KeepItSimpleSailor that is the only real problem...finding OEM parts that are low in stock or worse...discontinued. Before I buy an old bike I always search for parts to see if I can actually repair it. I try to avoid buying cheap Chinese replacements.
Hi,riding 30years,back to cheap bikes..., 1,when I had 20 years,it was dream to own xj600...., 2, waiting for servise now its really shit,and cost almost price the bike, 3, really enjoy to repair myself, 4 ,if You have breakdown ,can meet great people's,who will help, 5,simply,no abs and other shit, 6,generally,old motorbikes only! Grts from Poland
Greatings back from Germany. Thanks for watching ☺️
Why the Hell are you holding a wooden spoon in your hand. Yeah okay, the mic but it looks insane hahahaha
Is that a spoon 🥄 in your hand? 😂
Taught like a toiger
"bikes are cheap now and the market is imploding"
Yeah, you definitely don't live in America.....
Is it really that Bad in the US? I am asking because the partial market collapse is due to the huge difference in young and old people and on top of that little interest from young people in bikes. And I thought those things are probably the same.
Maybe it’s because your license costs a fraction of the license in Europe so the cost of entry is lower and therefore more young bikers
@@FreeMilesMC The market over here for any vehicle is just fucked. Three years ago, when I started riding, a 5 year old Harley Sportster was around $2500 now they've ballooned to almost $6000 (I use a Harley because thats what our market is saturated with). Our licenses are cheaper but young people are not taking to bikes like they do in other countries because its so easy to get a drivers license and motorcycles are either viewed as deathtraps or playthings
Dude your shelf is empty
First.
First time getting a first comment ☺️
You know fuck all.