The SAFIRE Project Is Not Real Science (Electric Sun Model Debunked)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- It would seem that I've really struck a nerve by debunking some of these "alternative cosmologies", and exposing the frauds that push them. In the very persistent and vocal criticisms that have been brought against me by the people who have fallen for these hoaxes, the most consistent thing they cite as though it is evidence of anything whatsoever is the SAFIRE Project. What is this circus sideshow masquerading as science? What is it that they pretend to do? Let's tell the whole story.
My original Electric Universe debunk: • Debunking the Electric...
My response to Ben Davidson: • Response to Ben Davidson
Someone went down the rabbit hole on SAFIRE finances with all the smoke and mirrors: www.internationalskeptics.com/...
Tax filings for ISF: projects.propublica.org/nonpr...
Tax filings for MAF: projects.propublica.org/nonpr...
SAFIRE's one and only paper that has nothing to do with the electric sun model: iopscience.iop.org/article/10...
Montgomery Childs embarrassing himself at 2:40: • MONTY CHILDS: SAFIRE P...
Learn real science regarding neutrinos: mcba11.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mcba/...
An explanation of neutrinos that is much easier to understand: www.nobelprize.org/prizes/the...
The Sudbury Neutrino Observatory paper: journals.aps.org/prl/abstract...
Tom Bridgman exposes the idiocy of Don Scott's book: www.theplasmaverse.com/pdfs/th...
Brian Koberlein eviscerates the Electric Universe: briankoberlein.com/blog/testi...
A former Velikovskian tells all: defendgaia.org/bobk/velidelu.html
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I'm a biology major, and I am proposing that what connects the universe together is a collection of very small microorganisms that exert a strong pull over one another. An invisible force that connects us all. I call them midi-chlorians.
So you read too much Star wars fiction and now you think it's real? You are going to fail.
I'm a vinologist, and I am proposing that what connects the universe together is bouquet.
I am a hewmon and I propose that gold-pressed latinum binds the universe together.
@@efulmer8675 I'm unemployed, and now I understand why I tend to nihilism.
im a software developer and i think the universe is a simulation, oh wait that one has been done
I'm a paleontologist, and I think the Sun is a dinosaur!
I'm wondering what a Gastroenterologist (bowel doctor) will think of the Sun.
I'm an aerospace engineer, and I think the sun is a giant rocket engine!
I'm a software engineer, here to tell you the Sun is nothing but an app. Start saving up, because we're gonna hit a BIG paywall in a few trillion years.
@@andrewbailey7999 it can be... ;)
I'm a linguist, and I think the sun is a dialect of Turkish and shines by way of vowel harmony
Electric Universe does sound like a sick Band name though.
That it does
I think it is an album name from someone we have all heard of.
Ah yes, the Electric Light Orchestra cover band.
Is that the Muppet band? No, that would be the Electric Mayhem.
There once was a spoof band that mimicked Jimi Hendrick's "Electric Lady Land" album.
It was called "Electric Landlady". Got to laugh!
When I shine a flashlight into a ping pong ball, it kind of looks like the sun. Conclusion: The sun is a giant ping pong ball being illuminated by a giant invisible flashlight. If you don't believe me, you're a sheep.
Pfft- tell me what now? You call me a sheep when you're a sheep yourself?
The sun is obviously a giant lightning hedgehog which lost it's spikes
You wrong, the sun is a D E A D L Y
L A S E R
when you say "you're a sheep" you're not wrong. afterall, we are genetically engineered as a mix of 22 animals, sheep, goat, monkey, just for starters.
And we're not on Saturn, our bodies are on Titan, they are projecting us to Saturn, but we actuate on a real shithole, that's right, at 90d, 9 to 27 moons, its Uranus. The VR/AR Holomatrix we're in says hello. also, says to send loosh (lux, biophotonic magnetic flux).
If you know that this 'reality' is a duplicate of the 4th Density we're already in, you can tell it to 'create' anything (because it just simply updates the memory space with whatever you tell it to). Oh, and its using Radiant Energy through the Tachyon Field. Tesla found it. You can turn 60W into 50KW of potential positronic electrostatic packets, you just have to use a spark gap.
Pro tip: Look for the rainbow in the water mist. its your own magnetic field. If you can get it to go to 2 rainbows /UV tubes, then to 5, you are in good shape and you can now do the things that the 'elites' have been doing as collaborators with the Reptoid Matrix Management. Have fun, and dont get vaxxed. Its an agreement to get reuploaded to another system (sun is collapsing, phoenix, suns, corona-field-virus, climate change... you get it by now..)
And the moon is a giant wheel of cheese
@@fresanegra77 and if it is, how does that help you. are you hungry, is... that it?
"The Sun is a deadly laser"
Not anymore, there's a blanket. Except over bits of Australia. The hole keeps the wombats from taking over the world.
@@stanrogers5613 The wombats are just a cover for the great emu world domination conspiracy.
@@stanrogers5613 and bits of texas
Lol dammit, now I have to go watch that video.
"Taste the sun."
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
Thats so ironic lol Carl Sagan was a corporate mouthpiece actor
Just remember Galileo was hunted and character assassinated and was later proved to be right, stay woke. History repeats
This was brought home to me so powerfully when I watched a UA-cam comedian secretly film the early stages of Scientology (or some such cult, it was the guy who got a flat earther to dress up like a duck, in case you want to find him) - He went to some interview where they made him relive the same memory over and over and he came out knowing that he had been brainwashed, he knew going in that they were going to brainwash him, and despite knowing what they were going to do, despite not being ‘into’ the cult and doing it for his video, he came out and the brainwashing had worked.
CIA agent Carl Sagan, who took the nuclear winter theory and published it without permission from the co-authors.
It was nothing but Cold War propaganda debunked at the time by peers like Freeman Dyson, who despaired " "It's an absolutely atrocious piece of science, but I quite despair of setting the public record straight."
It's been debunked in the modern era by numerous scientists, including past proponents, all the way to modelling from the Department of Homeland Security.
Also look in to his work with Project Blue Book, and his 1960s interviews, with 'CIA astronomers' about aliens and UFOs for more of the mass-propaganda he helped to propagate.
@@nickmatsukis7239 wasn't that Copernico?
It's fine. Once we realize their lies, we should just kill them.
I’m a philosopher and the sun is purely made of questions and thoughts from an invisible being judging us.
Notice me sun-judge
Sun-pai notice me :3
I'm a factory worker and the Sun is a comically large stainless steel bench being welded
So... theology?
The living embodiment of “when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail”
That isn't good if you have prostate problems.
@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib That's brutal! 😅
Yeah, it made a real mess when I tried to stir my nail of coffee with my hammer though.
@@MegaBanne bruh moment
@@MegaBanne When gravity works you don't need to make up stuff.
Remember, falling for a hoax doesn’t make you stupid or a bad person, it means someone tricked you, you are not to blame for being lied to
depends on the hoax.
Not realizing that you fell for a hoax does indeed make you stupid, specially when you fall for it because of the narrative, not the evidence.
In this instance, when we have visible and mathematical proof explaining what the sun is, someone is indeed stupid for believing otherwise.
In my way of thinking, there are only two types of people. Critical thinkers who have a good sense of perspective and scale. Then there are people with narrow or non existent perspective and scale. The latter are stupid. The majority of humans are stupid. They are not bad people because of this. I know good, kind and charritable people who think vaccination is a hoax. Some think 911 was a pre arranged demolition job. Some think we never went to the moon. Some think Donald Trump is a good and kind man and not a pathological liar who wants to rule the US forever.
@@zeendaniels5809all people are susceptible to certain lies, what makes them stupid is ignorance and denial
I love the way you contacted one of their only real scientists and Dr Morgan was like "Yeah, its all a scam". Boss move Dave.
I bet it doesn't matter to diehard worshippers ;)
Makes me wonder, though: How detrimental to one's integrity is it to sell one's (scientific) name to a bunch of _'snake oil bozos'_ for several years, just because of a paycheck?
@@BorisNoiseChannel He did try to educate them. Only when it became obvious they weren’t interested did he quit.
@@BorisNoiseChannel a paycheck is a paycheck lmao
Dr. Morgan also sounded super pissed at them. He called them bozos ffs lol
Why does the publicity photo for the engineers who worked on the project look like they are actually there for the opening of Jurassic Park?
Marketing. They want to give the impression they are the new Indiana Jones of science.
LOL
Hi, Electrical Engineer here. I know enough about astrophysics to be certain that I know nothing about astrophysics
This. Exactly. Astrophysics fascinates me. I watch/read/learn about it nearly every day. Hence, I basically know nothing about it. I could not produce a theory, organize a study, operate the math or do literally anything else of significance in the whole field of study. I know enough to know I know nothing.
Congratulations. You passed the donning kruger test. You can call yourself non gullible
I've done an introductory course at uni on astrophysics as well as an advanced course in cosmology and general relativity. I also recognise that I still don't know anything about astrophysics. Real complicated field turns out.
@@killian9314 dunning*
@@Matt_10203 thanks
Hey. Im offended. Im always high and I watch YOUR videos.
But he also said simpletons who are high, we obviously are Atleast one step above stoned simpletons. Stoned complexicons maybe?
No, not complexitons, or we wouldn’t be watching, we’d make videos, we’re just, tons
Normaltons?
I am a gamer, and I think the universe is held together by Minecraft air blocks
You should try explaining the Lorenz transformation for time dilation to one of these jokers, I had the misfortune of developing some of the early GPS end user software and the project was hampered by an electric universe manager. We were however successful and he was cured of his cult devotion but it was painful.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that project,
@@chaoaretasty I would have been the ceiling
What the story! ;)
@@ayushsharma8804 I'll just be the floor
@@markangeloporcare5289 y’all need plumbing? i can be plumbing.
First the Easter Bunny and now Santa???? For fucks sake, Dave! Leave us with SOMETHING!!!
Hahaha…
The Great Pumpkin!
how about Science Jesus
😆 omg
At least we still have the Queen of England
The only thunderbolts project I wanna hear about is General Ross assembling his own team.
Umm, so is it ok to watch this when we're high?
Asking for a friend.
You may.
Lmao
Don't forget to ask this friend what flavor Doritos he/she wants to bring when watching Prof Dave 😉
@@francischimenti1374 Lol he enjoys all the Doritos. Not just all the flavors, he wants ALL the Doritos when he watches 😆
LOL, I think my glass of water just came out my nose. I may have also woken up the wife.
"It also violates basic physics in ways that even an undergraduate physics student can easily point out" 8:55 the problem of electron transmision was the VERY first thing it came to my mind at the beginning of the video when you explained the model of the sun as an anode.... i do have a degree.... on graphic design.
I'm a 12 year old. I'm really into stuff like this, but still. A 12 year old
@@rubbegameing5370 Excelent! knowledge is power! But you are on the wrong track XD read real physics and not these illogical pseudoscience, but keep an open mind still: real science is open to change and to be challeged.
@Supreme Years ago it was a good idea, now? Go to medicine or law school.
@@alcarrington2397 You re confounded about what is a Law and what is a Theory. Laws can be confirmed via testing and observation, once a phenomena is observed to be a constant it becames Law. To contest a Law is not impossible and actualy is the fundament of true science, but it requires testing and proof, not simple theory.
@@alcarrington2397 _"If something violated basic physics, then basic physics is wrong. It's that simple..."_
If I assert 2+2=5, then 2+2=4 is wrong.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
Even without them having the mathematic or scientific ability to publish a paper, they should be able to clearly say what they are doing, how they are doing it, and with what materials.
But if they put it plainly what they are claiming, people will think they're crackpots!
that quote is not from Einstein you dumb
It is often attributed to Einstein, but I'm sure he probably didn't say it, or it was altered in some way. Although, I don't need to defend myself to a person that can't write a sentence properly.
Considering Einstein didn't understand his own theory, makes sense he would say that.
@@TheConqueror009 its not his fault that shit is complex as fuck
It actually took me a long time to realize that just because I’m doing a thought experiment or trying to conceptualize some thing doesn’t mean that I’ve done the research or have references and reviews from an external source.
I also used to think that references and reviews would make my work less genuine because it’s not coming from the person that’s doing the work.
I was pretty confused.
At a certain point in my mid 20s I must’ve been hit over the head or some thing because I realize that the only thing a person can genuinely know for sure is that they don’t.
I'm an electrician and I find it embarrassing that these people in my trade put these hoaxes out there, it makes us look bad
as an electrician it should be pretty obvious there is electricity in space. there is only 1 way to generate a mag feild.... CURRENT....
@Draylath
With your apparent level of understanding, you must be just an electrician connecting electrical outlets, nothing more. With all due respect to other electricians that do the same thing as you do, but don't brag about hoaxes about things they don't understand.
@@juliuscsar1122 You have no rights to assume his position and to see that you think electric universe "makes more sense" is enough to say that you are obviously a quack.
@@juliuscsar1122 you don't have to be an astrophysicist to see that electric universe is a hoax. Just college level physics knowledge is enough.
@@jvee4072 there's current inside earth's core
I mean I do understand all the "anti-establishment" followers to some extent. Modern science is really far developed (at least to human intelligence standards). I have a PhD in engineering and I have the feeling if I look just a bit left and right of my expertise to what people are doing, I hardly understand it anymore. And that is still within the SAME realm of engineering. So these days, to just get a small "oh nice" from the community you have to bust your ass off, to discover anything of relevance, and then double bust your ass off to show that it is really consistent with, you know, reality. All that for a mini reward. Whereas if you join any of these pseudoscience groups you get to throw around big words that you need to not understand or think about and you get praise and love from your community. It doesn't matter what gobeldiguck you spew out, as long as it involves "mainstream scientists don't know anything"-kind of message, you are good. I mean it's psychology 101: you get praise, love and acceptance in a community to contrast the cold harsh outside world and even a sense of empowerment, of greater wisdom that others have no access to. Of course it's a mirage, but it does make sense from the psychological standpoint.
Absolutely. I've been saying this from the get go. It's a fantastic channel for insecure narcissists who crave attention to get an instant dopamine hit of attention/validation with minimal effort.
Those electric clowns are trying to prove a young earth and that a tired book of fables is relevant.
And they want that crap taught as an alternative, to reality?
Oh, that Psych 101 class you had to take as an undergrad for your STEM degree back in the day? Yeah, that’s not even a thing anymore. As it turns out, conscious” was just another primitive superstition and science has proven you don’t exist. It’s all just computer science and AI research now. Get with the program, foolish mortal!
I think there is a way we can overcome the problems of spending time entertaining ideas due to our lack of experties in a field.
In critical thinking theory there are a lot of heuristics, simple rules, that can help us outright dismiss parts of arguments or claims.
The one that worked well for me in dismissing alot of nonsens was the concept of memory biases, our brain subtly *rewriting past memories* to fit the narrative of our lives for instance.
Once that clicked I realized that I should dismiss all claims and stories by people that rely on human memory, including my own.
Another heuristic is to avoid argument from superficial similarities.
What is superficial to logic might seem profound to a human so distinguishing the two let us ignore yet another entire class of ideas or claims.
We should have these in our education system and push it in adult education, like in youtube videos like these or online courses.
I've been really thinking that science should be made more accessible
Like, explain it in a way even the dumbest person ever could hopefully understand
the fact that this video has a like/dislike ratio of rougly 4:1 is highly concerning
probably a bunch of 0bservers trying to defend their theories with dislikes instead of arguments.
i had to dislike when dave took a jab at stoners 4:33
I agree, and the fact that this video has any likes at all is the most concerning part of it.
The fact that the electric universe is a thing is much more concerning
@@simonilisei1311 it isnt tho
I was one of the ones who believed Ben and subscribed to Suspicious0bservers. I thank you for providing the necessary information to inform myself and others as to why Ben is wrong. I'm sorry that so many have attacked you for trying to help them.
tricking people is way easier than convincing people they are being tricked.
@@XraynPR these people pray on more gullible and less knowledgable people than themselves to harvest money and face from their audience.
There is no shame in being wrong if you are willing to change your mind based on better information and new evidence. If more people were willing to think critically about what they believe and accept new evidence (peer reviewed, tested and corroborated evidence), hoaxes and conspiracy theories wouldn't have the hold on large groups within the population as they do now. When people are open to new evidence/better information, are willing to think critically, and have a curiosity that keeps them learning, it is always a good thing.
lol @ you JT Auger
can't you understand, the shill channel is this you are currently on - electricity in universe explains the climate changes as well - you have come to the channel that is funded by western globalist shills to push climate hoax and every other hoax..
PS: I'm losing hope on western people. So easily played with. May the west fall! Russia and china will take over. No problem.
I'm a civil servant the sun is actually the central bureaucracy paper waste disposal fire.
I hope they shredded it first!
Golden! Your work is SO important. As a retired science prof, I've been in a similar position so many times...having to politely debunk slick-sounding pseudo- science which an excited student has come across while also keeping to the idea of stealth education and trying hard not to extinguish the precious flame of curiosity. I wish I had had your channel to refer them to over the last 30+ years.
Ok pknkoo
@pyropulse Considering you are basically using ad hominins. (also where is this new science of yours) It seems your IQ is lower then the temperature of Antarctica
Hey, write Professor Dave and ask him for an online talk. There are for sure some anektodes you can share with us viewers
Haha this video is pure nonsense. Every feature of the Sun is a consequence of electrodynamics. The thermonuclear model doesn’t match observations with the hottest part being the corona.
Ignorant dipshit can't understand one detail, so all of science is wrong. Got it.@@chrisstevens-xq2vb
When discussing the validity of any scientific idea/theory/concept, those who are defending it from attack should never have any emotion inform their response. In fact, the proponents of any theory should invite it's exploration, as the goal of science is to arrive at absolute truth. If you've spent a significant amount of them and effort developing a theory and see it as "yours" I can see why someone could get attached to it, but again, that should never be the case. Any scientist should be willing to immediately abandon their ideas if there's evidence they're not legitimate.
No real scientist believes this garbage
I wish this logic would apply to the vaccines and corona viruses 🦠
@@THIS---GUY of course. Electric Stars has so many holes in it you could compare it to Swiss cheese.
@@mikestein1024 it does. Just that there are so many so called experts now claiming they know when they’re not qualified to say anything about it.
The theory of relativity is just a theory!!!!!! There's no empirical evidence!!
Mercury: Hold my orbit.
What's funnier is that people conflate Hypotheses with Theory. A Scientific Theory involves evidence. Gravitational phenomenons are part of a theory too XD
I think i know why people believe in this thing:
"GIANT LIGHTNING BOLTS IN SPAAAACE!"
Is really stupid, yeah, but sounds metal as hell
Lightening bolts in space? Brutal.
It sounds pretty metal. And as we all know, in astrophysics, everything other than hydrogen and helium is metal.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness there are a few other gases out there
@@jarreddean2094 Metal gases!
@@TheReaverOfDarknesslast time I checked neon was not a metal neither is helium, krypton xenon or argon a metal these are all Noble gases
Darn! There goes my theory of how to make a fusion reactor from a 1 ton salt-lamp. I was also sure that all the planets in our solar system were attached to the sun by really long, invisible extension cords. I guess that's out the window too, lol!
He didn’t just refute this theory here, he annihilated it
@@stefanbach7652
There is science and pseudoscience. Science _is_ consensus. There is no such variant as “consensus science,” it’s just science. Try watching the video and responding to the points he made.
@@stefanbach7652
I don’t think you know what science is when you say “consensus science” because science is consensus. You’ve gotta read my comment before responding to it, kiddo.
@@stefanbach7652
Try responding to the points made in the video as well.
@@stefanbach7652
Because you didn’t read my comment. Actually read and respond to my comment first and then I’ll read your little essay. And yes, I agree, there is no such thing as “consensus science” because science _is_ consensus.
@@stefanbach7652
“I can respond to whatever I like” is you admitting that you don’t argue faithfully. Character assassination this, character assassination that, doesn’t change the fact he still debunked the electric sun. Watch the video all the way through, kiddo.
As someone who gets high. I take alot of offense claiming id watch that EU garbage........
ThE uNiVeRsE iS cOnTrOlLeD bY tHe EuRoPeAn UnIoN!!!!!!!!!
Is the EU the English version of Biden?
LoL, I tried and had to stop. It was more criticizing science, than actually bringing forth proper objective substance of his own.
I'm a Dentist, so I'm an expert Cosmic-Astro-Physicist. I have a theory that our Sun is actually the bottom part of a galactic-sized set of dentures, the upper set being somewhere else, possibly at our galactic core (next to the black-hole). It is the gnashing of these huge teeth that created our solar-system
My next-door neighbour, a qualified plumber, totally agrees with me.
Its all in my NEW BOOK.... on sale NOW.
Im a stay at home college failing student gamer so that means im an expert on everything
How can we send you money?
Kesha Kennon nah
True story: I was once a strong believer in Velikovsky. To be fair, I was about twelve years old at the time.
I mean, the only enjoyable way i can imagine watching Gaia is while high
Heh, I used to enjoy just turning my brain off and going "woah, that's crazy, bro" but I can only imagine that experience
I would have to be so high I’m basically anesthetized to watch that garbage
I'll try this the next time.
Next you’ll tell me the moon isn’t made of cheese
It ok Wallace and Gromit proved the moon is made of cheese.
@@dogwalker666 Don't forget cookies!
@@dogwalker666 it's like no cheese I've ever tasted...
I am a couple years late... But I just opened up a fortune cookie while watching this, and it make me laugh myself out of my chair... the fortune reads "It is better not to speak of things you do not understand", the timing was just great, readin the fortune while Dave introduces the electrical engineers thinking that that know astrophysics. XD
Personally, I believe the sun is a giant block of redstone.
Or activated ball of TNT, the universe is just lagging
Glad to stumble over this video, a year after you made it. I was a thorn in Thornhill’s side over 30 years ago, in the days of the astoundingly ridiculous Saturn cosmology, which eventually morphed into the electric universe. I even recognize some of your arguments, that I made myself long ago (they are fairly obvious to any physics person anyway). And glad to see a link to Bridgman’s work. There will always be a drift of crackpot pseudoscience out there, and it’s nice to see fresh content calling them out. Keep up the good work.
Glad to see that you're still around! You were gone from ISF and BAUT/Cosmoquest by the time I started visiting those sites, but I have learned a great deal from going back over old threads on those two sites in which you contributed. Also your own homepage. Many thanks.
For those who may be interested, this is Tim's site;
www.tim-thompson.com/faqs.html
Probably not been updated for a while, but still a great debunking resource.
@@ianw_xvi8784 I'm afraid I haven't updated that stuff for ages. But, then again, it's not like the fundamentals need much updating. most of the old Saturnist & EU crowd has retreated to private discussion groups, so they can (and do) ban nay-sayers, and then feel good about talking to each other. Glad to see my old stuff is still out there, somewhere.
@@ianw_xvi8784 Thornhill told me explicitly, that ancient myth always trumps physics. This must be so, he says, because the myths are a reliable eye-witness account of what really happened, and therefore cannot be questioned. So, any clash between myth & physics, in his view, can only be addressed by fixing the physics. How much more insane can it get?
@@timothythompson7167 _"I'm afraid I haven't updated that stuff for ages. But, then again, it's not like the fundamentals need much updating."_
No, basic science is basic science. As I'm sure you said in your criticism of Don Scott's electric star 'model', the basic science shows it to be impossible. How is one getting a current of electrons, travelling at half-rat power, past the solar wind and the magnetic field that it carries outward with it? I am no expert on plasma physics, but I know enough to know that that is impossible. Why doesn't Scott? As a PhD in EE he should be able to figure that out. As well as his silly claims about neutrino detections being due to fusion in the chromosphere/ on the surface, depending which part of his website you read. That would bathe this planet in gamma rays that would have prevented our evolution!
I think Jean Tate/ Nereid/ Dei Den Dopa pointed that out, back in the day. Sadly, he died quite recently, if you didn't know. :( I emailed Tom Bridgman and Brian Koberlein about it, who were both sad to hear the news. In particular, he helped TB on his site on a number of threads, including the 'peer review' of the EU rubbish 'published' by Bentham some years ago. RIP, JT.
@@ianw_xvi8784 I never knew the person, but I remember the name Nereid. Too bad. I just had too much real work to do, and eventually had to cut back on the old discussion groups. I am still quite busy in retirement, but maybe I will poke my nose in and see what's going on. Maybe I can tweak somebody else's nose. :)
In my first year of community college I took an entry level astronomy course. I needed some information on Enceladus, one of the moons of Uranus, for a project so I searched for a UA-cam video and I got one from the Thunderbolts Project channel. It was pretty innocuous, just some facts about the moon, and I thought nothing of us. Seeing this video by Dave made me wanna go back and look up those old videos, and although they seemed harmless and straightforward, the guy they had narrating is hella fucking sketchy. Dude's name is Forrest Bishop, and he was cited as "independent researcher." When looking up more information on this guy, I found that he's also been giving speeches as conferences supporting alternative theories of evolution, where he was cited as a paleontologist. He is neither.
I was heading down this rabbit hole a few years ago. Interesting alternative ideas for the Earth's and Mars's Scars were the opening attraction. The avalanche of plasma theories, electric sun models, quotes from decades old cosmic thinking and dismissal of current main stream cosmology followed. I'm an electronics tech so joining the club of illustrious deep thinking fellowship had some attraction. The us vs them concept. It seemed an innocent thought expirement. Listening to various EU events and their wild collection of speakers spouting private and contracting topics, began to give me pause. The movement appeared to attract every kind of overlapping conspiracy theory, with Flat Earthers standing in the wings. Every major project, promising Devastating Proof, failed to produce the peer review paper. And so my interest began to wain. These past years of rule by Conspiracy, the anti-science movement, reawakened my disgust with the EU ideas. Thank you for putting nails in their coffin!
I'm a music major who's also taking classes in animation, and my theory is that everything exists together in a delicate balance, and when we die our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass, and so we are all connected. I call my theory the Ciiiiircle of Liiiiiife
An electric sun could be a pretty cool science fiction concept. A man made object as big as a star that uses electricity to run and provide heat.
I giant eclectic sun...and it could be powered by a giant fusion reactor.
Isnt that just a dyson sphere?
Wow, even the plasma physicist who worked on the project debunked it! That's amazing that you talked to him. I was scared that he might defend the project, but I was pleasantly surprised. Excellent work, Dave.
@@DrWhom keep just enough details out of what you're asking
@@DrWhom He basically flat out said it was for a paycheck lol
These science hoaxes are so tricky to see through sometimes. When you look at that sun model it LOOKS like it could come out of a textbook, but its only when you have a basic (even high school) understanding of electromagnetism and analyse what the model says says ("Electric current increasing in strength" "Magnetic field increasing in strength" what does that even mean??) that you realise it's incoherent and nonsensical. Might as well be an image from Alice in Wonderland or any kind of fiction /fantasy.
Yep, all the have to vomit out is "toroidal z-pinch" or "Dark mode plasma" and pretend that means the entire universe is controlled by plasma and electromagnetism ... see Anton Petrovs recent comment sections, e.g. on the biggest structure or the center of the galaxy.
If you have no clue about plasma physics (and I don't) it's immediately hard to argue against that meaning anything
@@thekoolaidmaker5103 we see light of our sun, not plasma. Other times we see radio waves or gamma rays.
Also, these Thunderbolt people are not astrophysicist, and funnily enough, not even plasma physicists, yet they discard the work of thousands of those people that Dave relies on.
Get a grip.
@@thekoolaidmaker5103 The sun emits light - deal with it ...
What insane ramblings. You do realise you can see the sun in space?
@@thekoolaidmaker5103 the sun is not electric. Be harder to trick by woo peddlers
I'm an animator. The sun is just a bunch of pixels.
It's actually just a free unity asset.
@@mister_bomb7777 Its actually an nft
"Safire project"? More like "Satire project".
Or looking at how much they were funded, the saphire project
Safired!
In order for this to work, wouldn’t space have to be a conductive? Potentially cooking any electronics you put into it?
No, space is just conductive in a line from a star. /s
That much money could've easily funded 2-3 actual research group or 5-6 PhD students.
A PhD is expensive as well
I'm a painter, therefore the sun is a giant ball of paint, and that's why everything has color..
I'm a bar manager and the sun is flat.
The first red flag for Safire was they explained the excess power could be rerouted back into the system, giving it a net zero loss.
Still they pretend that light bulb is a sun 😂who would force a feedback on something emitting neutrons? Sounds dangerous af😳
@@earthdweller5136
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@@PacesIII Alright. Take your damn like, already.
The system consumes fuel (Deuterium) and the energy comes from nuclear reactions, so no violations are occuring, it's the same logic behind a hypothetically working tokomak reactor, where electrical energy from a steam generator via reactor heat is routed back into the reactor to continue pushing protons into fusion conditions, the result is a net energy gain, but fuel *is* consumed.
The point behind the whole endevour is that the fuel is abundant and is environmentally clean.
In the case of Safire, the electric current causes the plasma formations which are conducive to low energy nuclear reactions, which then cause a net gain of energy by consuming deuterium fuel, this net energy is then routed back to keep the process self sustaining.
Conservation of energy is not violated.
The questionable part about Safire is if they are lying about being able to produce these low energy nuclear reactions.
My guess is that they are simply enabling lattice confined fusion to occur within the inner anode electrode, Deuterium atoms are entering the metal lattice whereby electron cloud screening of the deuterides allow nuclear fusion to occur among other nuclear reactions.
This fusion then releases more energy than was put in. Again, the question is is safire being honest about the net gain in energy after the initial input electrical current?
As an overnight Walmart employee I know for fact that the universe is on aisle 10
Im a plumber, the sun is made of shit. My brother the taxi driver argues its actually made up of people who tip badly.
But if the sun is made of that, then where's the pipe? I'm willing to fund an expedition to the Mushroom Kingdom to find that pipe!
I came across their "Symbols of an Ancient Sky Part 1" video and watched the whole thing and what I found suspicious was how they've said the planets were once close to each other thousands of years ago. Everyone knows and understands how gravity works and that if these planets were anywhere too close, they would've collided into each other. It was a cool fantasy story they've told and if we've lived in world which allowed us to see the planets up close, that would of been cool too. But I'm glad I've came across this video and your other video debunking them because when I've tried to google their name and their findings before I've found this video it was obviously a hoax from there because nothing could be found of their "findings". The funny thing is when I've googled "the electric universe" this video and your other debunking video popped up first, lol.
@@surgicalsteelruthlessinc.8353 your only partially right however I have to make 2 major corrections right away. 1. A “Theory” in science is the graduation point for a model were the evidence proves it correct. 2. It isn’t religion there’s no dogma and science is open to being corrected. With that out of the way yes we don’t fully understand gravity, yes we know Einstein’s model is atleast incomplete. But no legitimate scientists is claiming otherwise
@@surgicalsteelruthlessinc.8353 They, and many others, forgot that psychology and rhetoric exists. Try telling someone, who's obsessed with their lover, that their lover is cheating on them. That someone will be full-blown in denial and will not listen. Their fantasies, dreams, reality, will be breaking down and they will do whatever it takes to keep it up. Very few leave, but there is still hope. What's worrisome is thinking of those who stay behind. Some are aware of what is going on and they just stay quiet. Others are completely oblivious, star shocked, dazzled, bewitched, truly in love to the point that it's inseparable. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome. There are many abusive relationships out there, and all for the company.
That's why velikovski named his book worlds in collision
As a mechanical engineer I propose that the sun is just an enormous steam power plant.
As a matter of fact you should do an episode on the psychology of gaslighting. Would be fascinating, informative, and helpful.
I'm a history teacher, and I think the Sun is a ball of hot air generated by all the excuses made by students
I'm a gamer and I think the sun is just a giant Playstation 4 that is trying to run cyberpunk 2077 on full HD with 30 FPS
I'm a nobody with no credentials...therefore the universe DOESNT exist. Wake up sheeple.
Take my money, random person making anti-establishment claims! You tell 'em!
You've got to admit that Electric Sky is an awesome name for a cyberpunk novel.
Why don't these guys just take these concepts and make them into scifi-fantasy worlds and stories?
haven't got the talent
I’m a human being and want to know how many pseudo pscientists it takes to screw in a sun bulb.
So, the Sun is an "anode", then we are given a really bad drawing of the Sun being an electric motor with gibberish about current increasing in strength and arrowed lines that don't correspond with how electricity would even react in this situation. And people fall for this?
@@paaao And now? Is that one ten-billionth of an amp somehow supposed to trigger fusion? Also, the sun's electric field was in the video.
The sun is not a cathode, therefore it must be an anode, right? QED. You need to stop asking difficult questions and just accept what you hear. Plus, totally unrelated, give me money.
People fall for this because most people are idiots. I know this because I'm a people too. :)
OK, bad grammar aside, and replace "are idiots" with "don't understand science and usually don't need to in order to get on with their life", you get the point I was trying to make.
B... but their technologisticals are revolutionizationing and will change human kind forever!
Poop can make plants grow which can be fed to animals which we can force to power our electricity by using a manual turbine powered by said animals through the mechanical to electrical energy transfer
@@sunsetsleeper I didn't listen because you didn't say plasma
@@sunsetsleeper dont try to argue with yids
@@nachfullbarertrank5230 and using that electricity you can charge your plasma cannons and your Tie fighters and use the Tie fighter proton cannon to explode these haters...
@IThinkWithMy Dick Humans are animals too, I was too against doing chores as a kid but being older I think that this particular specie of animals should exclusively do work, I hope you can see this as satire and that I agree with you, have a great day!
Santa isn't real? You've gone too far.
He knows too much
I am a youtube commenter,I think the universe is ruled by the algorithm.
I was almost sucked into watching the Gaia Ancient Civilizations series. They are running some ads for the channel that made them look competent. Thank you for the heads up. I won’t waste my time.
Ok then, explain to me how solar panels catch electricity if the sun isn't electric?! See you can't!
I'm taking the piss by the way!!
ROFL, underrated comment :D :D
Solar panels catch electricity because each panel is composed of billions of microscopic baseball mitts, each capable of catching an electron. That's why when the sun goes down the mitts catch less because the sun is throwing a curve ball....
@ Citation needed!
You all clearly didn't watched the peer reviewed movie Idiocracy... that is the best piece of scientific out there to understand Safires,EU's and Thunderballs charade..
@@real_azul_luza they don't know. They don't get enough electrolytes
A geocentrist once claimed matter cannot attract matter because positive attracts negative.
I install ceramic tile, it is *pretty obvious* the sun is pure porcelain.
Vladimir Nikashin left the chat.
And he was doing so well.
I just wrote my stellar astrophysics final exam and I can guarantee you that the perpetrators of this nonsense took one look at an astrophysics textbook and thought "you know what, let's just pretend we know anything about this field because actually studying it seems way too difficult" lmao
Your astrophysics final exam? Woohoo! Pass that and you'll know it all! Well it appears you already do so clearly you don't need to bother!
That dislike number makes me lose faith in humanity even more...
The fact that you speak of faith on a channel that is supposedly scientific is concerning. I am not surprised actually.
@@techiemx An oddly mocking choice of words for what is only a figure of speech. Damn, relax a bit.
It's cute that you still had any to lose.
@@techiemx sorry for not saying "scientific fecal matter" whenever I watch a video on science...
@@techiemx I'm not surprised either that this video has so many dislikes.
I’m a pilot, and I think the sun is no star, it’s a space station 😂
I am unemployed, and I think the sun doesn’t work
I mean, that lucky old sun got nothing to do but roll around heaven all day
I'm a layman and it's really not that hard to wrap my head around this. I'll leave the math to the people who spend their lives working on it, but the predictive capacity of modern physics is astounding.
See? He did an appeal to authority fallacy, probably! Burn!
Yeah the predictions are wrong so often yet they still cling to it.
It is really a sad state of affairs, it has become akin to a religion and a fudge factor of the gaps model.
@@ghostrecon3214 can you site one prediction that was wrong? I'm waiting
@@ro4eva nucleosynthesis is backed up by absorption spectrums of technetium that has been formed by distant stars. It’s the lightest element which is still radioactive, and based on the half life of technetium it physically could not have existed when the star was born. I.e the star created the technetium and for your Lithium and hydrogen points there is considerable chances that there are big calculation uncertainties in the amount of lithium and helium that should exist.
Even if these things you claim were “debunked” it affect literally none of our other understanding of physics very much at all.
@@ghostrecon3214 you feel special yet?
I'm a proctologist and the plasma is constrained by an electric sphincter.
A "model" with no evidence, explanatory power or predictive power to replace a well understood model with loads of explanatory and predictive power and demonstrable evidence?
So the Electric Universe versus astrophysics and cosmology is like Young Earth Creationism vs the Mendelian Darwinian synthesis theory of Evolution? Duly noted.
My favorite thing about all of his debunking videos is that, while some of them are specifically to reply to people trying to contradict him with "evidence" (read "lies") he still always tries to reassure people that have been fooled and converted that they are not the only ones, and that they can learnt to see through it, instead of mocking all [insert conspiracy theory here]'s and making them seem dumb, and as such, get offended and stay in the conspiracy theory just because they are insulted for it. Really shows that while humanity can be dumb, we don't want to be.
The sun is just a human construction observed through quantum non-locality and derives it’s energy from the laughter of children or something…
-Deepak Chopra
It's true. During war global warming is no longer a threat.
I’m a pianist, and I think the universe is held together by a giant 3d musical staff with each star being a note and galaxies being big arpeggios and collections of sixteenth notes
they are 32th notes! you mainstream sixteenther shill!
hi as a musician who spent eight years in college on the subject, i would like to point out that it's equally sensible that the sun is probably a french horn.
Most musicians believe in string theory.
@Giga Chad and we also believe that solar winds are the waves caused by giand drums
Hey Dave. Can you post the link to the picture 6:46 ? This would make a killer desktop background. Nice video btw.
just google image search neutrino detector! i'm pretty sure it came up right away for me
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Yop. Worked. Thanks! Make sence. Thought there would be more neutrino detectors, but why should there be?
@@links-gut-versifftergrunme1809 I can't tell from memory if it was neutrino or radioactive particles detector but you can make one by suspending alcohol vapour over a cold surface, I have one on my desk and it's pretty cool when every now and then I can see that some space particle that had traveled unthinkable distance in its lifetime just decided to pass through my room
Edit: nvm it was radioactive particles detector, still pretty cool and easy to make thing to have next to your cool neutrino detector background on your desk!
I predict a bunch of comments all using the same phrase or wording that are incorrect, irrelevant, and vague. We just need to wait for someone to tell them what to say.
"You didn't even talk about the SAFIRE project!" "Watch the second half of the video, god damn it!"
@@bipolatelly9806 Spoken like someone who fell for a scam.
@@bipolatelly9806 Good point, you convinced me
@@bipolatelly9806 You're just trying to insult him because you have no arguments, got it
@@bipolatelly9806 _"You haven't got a single clue."_ And like all the other fanboys to the EU woo you haven't made a single point against what this video says. But go ahead and be the first. Or at least do something no else has done yet - *try* to make a point.
The sun is Apollo's chariot. I know, I wrote a book about the time I rode in it
At about 7 mins in, You talked about detecting Neutrinos?
Please can someone explain how does it work?
(I'm not trying to debunk or anything, just mildly confused)
Well Neutrinos do interact with matter but very very rarely. So they have built an Neutrine detector on the south pole where they but a bunch if detectors deep into the ice in a densely packed net and when a neutrino comes through and interacts with the ice and creates other little particles like muons. These can then be detected.
It's called the IceCube
If you do a search on 'Sudbury neutrino detector', you'll find plenty of explanations.
@@MaxVax-dh7rh Imagine thinking science is indoctrination
@@mtaeren Ah, So rather than detecting neutrinos directly, it more really detects their effects?
thanks man. you just saved me 58 minutes and 49 seconds as I was going to watch a discussion between ruby carrot and monty childs of the saphire project.
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I just tried watching the EU thunderbolt vid myself and the guy comes of as smooth and quick to point out faults in some of the leading science out there… but then he starts ranting explanations of EU and I had to shut it off. It was practically religious with with far less basis than just about everything he was trying to criticize.
The Duke Flat earther.
It just bewilders me that the push for an electric universe is all because its proponents refuse to believe that gravity is real. What did gravity ever do to them to earn their hatred? Whether it's gravity or electricity ergo magnetism, they still claim the observable universe works the same way.
@@truthwarrior2149 and what does alleged alien technology have to do with gravity deniers?
@@truthwarrior2149 No, I don't feel you. Your response to my incredulity towards gravity deniers (people who claim gravity does not exist) is "well we have UFO'S". UFO'S don't disprove gravity.
@@truthwarrior2149 So,... in your opinion does gravity exist?
You see, since i dont understand it so its wrong
You see, since i dont understand it so its wrong
I think it’s hilarious that I originally started watching this channel for chemistry help, but ended up getting sidetracked by these debunking vids
If the sun is electric where does it plug in?
Hahaha 🤣
Got em!
Its a magical space quantum outlet from Hogwarts
Does anyone else get pissed off when they are having a wonderful dream but then they wake up?
that's so fucking meta
Burton Knighten is it gonna put me in a coma?
awesome explanations, I learned a lot. btw, who are the guys in the framed photos on your wall? Led Zep on one side, Beatles on the other? just curious...
I'm an electrical engineer (MSc EE) and apologize for the mentioned EEs that have ran astray so blatantly and being a disgrace to my field of expertise.
All they had to do, to prove the sun is powered by electricity is follow the power cable from the sun to the galactic plug socket 🤷.
The real question that needs answering though is, is it a UK, EU or US plug?
I actually like hearing about this model. I'm tired of hearing about the flat earth model. All the flat earthers should just switch over.
They couldn’t. It would require at least a fundamental understanding of science
They would, but they already fled to QAnon
@@jerryonlychild7003 UA-cam relentlessly "recommended" FE vids, especially those productions which attempted to associate it with Christianity, despite this being complete and utter nonsense.. Sadly the Thunderbolts Project receives no such favors.
They would, but they died and voted for Biden
I just tell them their borealocentric model is wrong, and that the australocentric is the only correct one.
Hey man I’m a stoner but I love science 😭 why you gotta come for me like that
I'm a former stoner myself, no hate, just singling out the dumb ones.
My job is to replace the lightbulb in the sun, but I have to go at night, because it's too dangerous during the day.
"suggestible simpletons who watch while high" You didn't have to call me out like that.
Not all stoners, just dumb stoners.