Ukraine's EU Membership Bid Explained
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In this video, I take a look at how Ukraine's bid to join the EU. Looking into a bit of the history of Ukraine, the process of joining, and how long it might be until it might happen.
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The challenges are very steep and are a mixture of economic and political reasons.
1. The 2 biggest items in the EU budget are subsides for farmers (CAP) and grants to poorer regions (Cohesion and Social funding). If Ukraine joins, it will instantly be the poorest (per capita GDP is 1/3 of Bulgaria's) and largest farmer country. Unless Germany or Netherlands is willing to write extra hundred billion euro checks to the EU (good luck with that), that will have to reallocated from other countries. I am sure the farmers and citizens of countries such as Poland, Bulgaria, Romanian are all willing to forgo tens if not hundreds of billions of euros for Ukraine.
2. Migration. If Ukraine does join Schengen, I fully expect hundreds of thousands if not millions of Ukrainians will legally move to the west. It makes sense given better economic opportunities in places like Germany. Most will be young and educated. A similar pattern is seen in places like Poland and the Baltic countries (all of them have smaller population post entering the EU). That will steer massive social tension in countries like Germany or France. When Poland entered, there was so much migration to places like the UK, that a stereotype of the "Polish Plumber" stealing jobs was created. It was so strong, that it is widely considered one of the leading causes behind Brexit.
This stuff is beyond the fact that Ukraine is still currently engaged in a protracted conflict with Russia.
Germany could afford to modernise Ukraine.
@@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rg Germany is already backtracking on its 2% NATO target and the government is bashing each other over all types of fiscal spending questions.
you're right but the point 2 isnt about hundred thousands or millions of Ukrainians, there already was as many Ukrainians in EU even before the war started but more like 10 or more millions. a magnitude more.
Like Poland is way richer and after joining like almost 1/ 10 of them moved west, lot of them returned since then but for decade or two Polish was heard literally everywhere, if emigration from many times poorer Ukraine was only double of the Polish one it'd be already close to 10 million and such number of new arrivals would immediately paralyse whole public sector and social and health services in every EU state and cause political backlash that would make todays Hungary and Poland look like liberal heaven.
it would be migration wave of dimension Europe didn't see since end of WW2.
You forgot to mention the most important part, corruption. It is not like Ukraine was an amazing country with no faults pre war. It has long had a massive stereotype of corruption which comes from the truth that the politics there is filled with opportunists.
Not to mention the EU will risk getting another Hungary/Poland member if Ukraine were to enter the EU now. Ukraine has in no shape or form been a politically stable country for the last decades and that requires serious work.
@@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rgGermany can afford a lot of things, but don't expect them to do someone's else's job.
Let’s be realistic, Ukraine is not joining the EU anytime soon.
The next country to join the EU will (outside of unpredictable events) be Montenegro.
Ukraine may not exist in the future
As a Moldovan citizen, a pro-european one, I am also some kind of realist. I don't view joining EU as a magic pill, that once country joins EU - all the issues are solved instantly. As I understand, the accession is a long process, which itself is step by step improving the country.
magic pill? The EU is the most evil rotten organization in the world right now. Its controlled by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats from Davos and Brussels. No sane country wants to join the EU.
Or you can just rejoin Romania and you will automatically become EU and NATO member
@@user-ox9kw2kk9dRomania doesn’t want / need Moldova. Unfortunately, the time spent as a Soviet republic has rendered the population very Russian like. On top of that, there is an important minority of Russians in Moldova, something that Romania absolutely doesn’t need as it provides context for Russia to destabilize the internal politics. It’s not like they’re not already doing that but you know how Russia plays on the geopolitical scene.
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Aside from the issues with Ukraine specifically joining there seems to be a growing feeling that there should be a freeze in expansion in general in order to focus on internal EU reform
Or they want both. Yesterday commission gave recommendation to start accession talks with bosnia, gerogia, Moldova, Ukraine
@@Just_another_Euro_dudeThe issue is they need to change the voting system to get rid of veto power of single member states. With a veto in play, a single country such as Hungary can block certain policies. It's ungovernable. There has been some move towards majority vote since 2004 enlargement, but it's not completed. It's difficult to complete the transition since it a) potentially requires parliamentary votes or referendums in member states b) because just as some member state governments that were euro-skeptic get replaced for pro-EU governments, other countries move in the opposite direction. And there seem to never be the time when all governments are universally pro-EU. At least UK is out, that definitely makes things easier for the rest.
Exactly, the EU badly needs to reform. Besides, they can't keep up expanding like that. The three tier cooperation proposals are being talked about again. From what I remember, tier 1 would be the 15-member bloc that will push for bigger integration and stop there. Tier 2 would those that joined later much later , basically the eastern countries, but only as associated countries, free trade etc .tier 3 would be a loose relationship. The expansion went to far and too quickly. And there's a point that's not mentioned nor hinted upon : the eastern " mafias " which are very powerful as many of those countries are deeply corrupt, and Ukraine is no exception. Even if we support them because russia should never have done that, at the end of the day, it's between them, they should sort it out. But for some reason, in the governments seem to think that everyone has to be concerned. Actually, the rest of the world don't really care about the war, even if they condemned the invasion, which is normal. There's a lot of problems in the west part of Europe as well as in the US (:biggest aid given, and aid isn't free), and those aren't being taken care of. Another thing that has been exposed is the Western countries' hypocrisy on the world stage.. Bypassing their own sanctions for example.
Tell that to the small minded who are in power in my country N.Macedonia. "We will be in EU by 2030" is their slogan, which we all know won't happen. Not to mention the agreements they signed that ended up ruining our national identity for nothing.
@@DacLMKMacedonia needed of EU! United Balkans in EU! Congrats of Bulgarian
EU would never accept a new member state with ongoing armed conflict within its territory.
We are talking now about the start of negotiations, nobody say that Ukraine will join now, or in next couple of years
Ukraine is a tragic case because they actually fight and die to become part of the EU but at the same time, numbers dont lie and Ukraine would be a financial bottomless pit so i dont think anyone actually wants them to join. Furthermore Ukraine is demographically dead which only exacerbates the financial burden they would represent.
Look how long is took Yugoslavian states to join...i guess is nothing will happen in the next 20 years
@@eioclementi1355 i agree and as a matter of fact only 2 ex yugo states have managed to join so far, Slovenia and Croatia. The other 4 STILL arent EU members.
The biggest Ukrainian problem is corruption. Althouht we did a significant steps to combat it, the situation is still far from even the most corrupt countries in EU. The problem is that the old generation still cannot live without it. they were reaised in ussr bureaucracy that simply couldn't function without corruption, so this older generation simply cannot understand how to live otherwise. The situation is changing with the new generation but this is a long and a very slow process
И как становление полем боя для ведения прокси-войны с Россией поможет Украине побороть коррупцию?
What new generation are you talking about
The ones who left to other countries and will integrate there and become citizens there or the ones who are dying in the trenches
Ukraine not only is losing their young population due to emigration and war but also has the lowest birth rate in Europe so there won't be any new generation in the future other than a ghost one
@@baha3alshamari152Dude, even if Ukraine loses 50% of its population it will still have as many people as the netherlands do have.
@@vexillonerdproblem is what % of population. If it lost 1/2 of everyone that won't be as bad as loosing 70% of boys ages 18-35.
Never ever will happen.........
I don't see anyone new being admitted before we get rid of the veto. Hungary and Poland has shown that giving everyone the power to block most important proposals is untenable.
this system of vetos comes from the polish-lithuanian commonwealth. It was the downfall of our empire and dont know why the EU implemented it
Turkey has started this accession negotiations in 2012 and it’s still continues like a lame duck!!! And I don’t believe that Ukraine will be faster than us… Cause Turkey, as country is 10 times richer and more advanced than Ukraine!!!
It's amazing how many people don't understand EU rules. You don't need to be in Schengen to move to other EU countries, you only need to be an EU member. Without being part of the Schengen area, you can still travel, live and work anywhere in the EU but you need to show a passport or national id at the border check. If you are part of the Schengen area, you travel without showing your passport or national id at the border check and you can still work, live or travel freely to another EU member state. The Schengen area just makes it faster to go somewhere because you don't have to show a passport and the most benefit is for the economy of the counties because they can trade faster and lorries don't have to queue for miles at the border to move stuff from one EU country to another EU country
While I'm in support of Ukraine joining the EU. It will be very difficult to join. Ukraine has to win the war and rebuild which will take a while which will make very difficult for the country to join.
Hardly. It needs to get rid of all it’s corrupt politicians. It’s hardly going to get any territory back.
The EU itself needs to reform it's CAP
Itd be interesting to say the least
Yeah but that outside help will make it better
Absoluty correct!
I think they will win, join the EU, and rebuild with EU help. Ukraine will guarantee grain supplies to Europe, while Russia struggles to rebuild its shattered economy amid a move away from oil and gas by the rest of the world.
Let me help y’all out…its never happening
Please no. I dont want WW3
Don't forget that Turkey is illegally occupying part of one of the EU member states
They had been decades before though and all fighting had stopped by the time Cyprus joined
@@andrewlynch4126 the fighting has stopped but a whole united Cyprus is the EU member state. Of which Turkey is occupying part of it.
I was more pointing out that it'll be very hard for Turkey to become a member state while occupying part of another member state
Though currently Turkey doesn't seem too interested in pursuing that end
@@calebbearup4282 It won't be "hard" for Turkey to join, it's impossible which is why they haven't been admitted.
Northern Cyprus is not Turkey, they are independent but supported by Turkey.
@@ketchup901 northern Cyprus is part of the whole united country that is Cyprus. Which Turkey using their military carved away and forcibly removed from the rest of the country to try and create a puppet state.
It feels like a false promise to me, maybe in 20 years time at best.
Why?
No 'promise' was made in the first place. Like every other country that joined the bloc, Ukraine too has to fulfill accession requirements first before joining. That might indeed take 20 years considering the state of the country, nevermind whether or not it will even be one in the long term considering the war. No promise should ever be made. But progress can, and I think that's Ukraine's best bet right now, even if it's slow.
@@Pherron there is no way Russia can conquer Ukraine, what are you on about?
Reform can happen faster during a war, suddenly politicians can do things not normally possible. There will also be a lot of pressure inside EU to bring in Ukraine.
@@erdood3235 I wouldn't completely hold my breath. Ukraine will resist Russian aggression fine as long as the West continues to massively support it financially, militarily, etc. But I doubt that this can go on indefinitely. I don't see the West 'giving up' on Ukraine any time soon, but in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Support will weaken over time, and at some point will just not be enough anymore. But I may be completely wrong, and I do actually hope I am. But still.
Ukraine joining EU might cause a lot of Ukrainians leaving Ukraine
Which will create a demographic crisis
They already have and did. (Unoccupied) Ukraine is almost half the population it was in 2013. Great job maidan.
All Ukrainians presently have the right to live and work in the EU for up to three years.
And around 3 million have done so.
@@Klovaneer Wrong. If you were right, there would be 20 millions left, but only about 6 millions escaped as refugees, and this number includes those from occupied territory. Current estimation is ~29m.
Also revolution didn't have a goal to get attacked by bigger neighbour, obviously.
@@ayararesara6253 Ukraine was 46m in 2013. Coup is not a revolution. What were the goals? To dethrone russian-aligned oligarchs in the east, mainly by Kolomoisky who is now himself in the doghouse. A mess all over.
@@Klovaneer No, Ukraine had 44 millions in 2001, which is the only number confirmed by census.
"coup" ah, you're one of those. The goal was to stop brutal suppression of protests by the police, to return to 2004's version of constitution and sign an assosiation with EU.
France and several other countries will not allow Eu to expand without significant EU reforms, EU cannot afford another hungary / poland that will hold EU hostage with veto power. The new reforms will be based on majority votes and not veto power.
What kind if majority?
Population? States?
Hungary, Poland and other former warsaw pact countries clearly have major value differences with traditional western european countries.
But EU politicians seem to be willingly risk those values in favor to expand EU borders.
Sounds like good way to get country's to leave the EU.
@@Slithermotion If you have "value differences" which is putting it mildy, why would you join a union that doesn't share your values in the first place?
Oh right, free money.
@@danhobart4009 Yes and when the EU finally collapses, we will look back at the EU the same way we look back at the Soviet Union. Something that seemed like a good idea at the time, but in reality was an absolute abomination.
@Narjoso - "hold the EU hostage" 🤣🤣 correct me if I'm wrong but the EU is not a country. The countries within the EU are sovereign states, correct? Also Hungary and Poland simply don't want to be invaded by the third world which would destroy their cultures, don't want their kids to be indoctrinated by gender transitioning propaganda, and don't want the typical dystopian leftoid nonsense that has taken over the EU in general. How horrible.
I really wanted the source for that study comparing time it took between candidacy and accession
www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/07/26/how-exactly-do-countries-join-the-eu/
Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to join, EU already has more than enough net receivers of EU funds. No more dead weight.
It's a huge country, for a European country it's a really, really massive country, especially its agricultural potential is outstanding even unchallenged (probably in the world), although it has a large population, that on top is still very poor in comparison.
These are the most significant points that will make the integration a real challenge for the EU.
i would argue the opposite. the poor people will take low paying jobs across the EU allowing other people to get higher paying jobs, the rebuilding of ukraine will also create tens of thousands of jobs, its agriculture will massively help as well with food security, its large land area and influence it will have after this war is over will also help.
What do we do with all european farmers that will go bancrupt when their marked are flooded with cheap produkts. EU budgets will crash, becose present system can not contiain the level of subsides for agricol sektor.
@@vidarwaldiarsson9317 ohh noo, food is cheaper! how sad! the farmers will still have jobs! ukraine produces lots of things that lots of europe dont, and lots of europe grows stuff that ukraine doesnt.
@@simpli_histori Where can people get a better-paying job?
Where can I get money to restore Ukraine?
Today, Europe is on the verge of financial collapse, there is a redistribution of markets.
I will tell you what will happen to Ukraine. There will be no high-tech production on this territory. The youth will leave. Pensioners, state employees will beg. A small bunch of people will live well, this bunch will manage everything, and the media too.
@@vidarwaldiarsson9317 if we buy Ukrainian wheat for example, well Africa has to buy from Poland or wherever. Basically, win for Europe but a loss for Africa.
He's back 😍
in upcoming 50 years here is zero chances
As for the military argument, a quick note about the fact that the EU could potentially accept a country with ongoing territorial disputes: the main - and obvious - reason as for why NATO doesn't let in countries fighting wars is because the country, once a member, would have the power to immediately invoke article 5 and force their newfound allies to intervene, but many don't know that the EU itself has a similar defence clause (art. 42.7 TEU), quoting:
"If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States."
which would compel all the EU in a similar way, and possibly escalate the conflict even further. In Cyprus' case, the thing was a bit complicated as Turkey was (and still is) an important NATO ally and an EU candidate (and, as you said, the conflict was frozen at the time), but in Ukraine's case this could turn out significantly different. I think that's also a factor, perhaps more relevant than the martial law.
Answer for when will it happen.: Never.
I don't think people understand just how important it will be to have Ukraine in the common market these coming decades. Ukraine is a major producer of grain. As climate change continues to get worse, food shortages will start to become the reality all over the world. With Ukraine in the EU, we are largely insulating ourselves from this risk. As Europeans we often think of ourselves as above that sort of thing, but that's a very naive and dangerous mindset to have. If we're looking at reality, the EU needs Ukraine just as much as Ukraine needs the EU.
Indeed - Beside the fact that Ukraine is a major power in the grain export - they also are a major exporter of sunflower oil, important metals and natural gas - all vital resources that would elevate EU and Europe as a whole in importance for future struggles that climate change will bring. It is considered some of the reasons as to why Russia tries to expand aggressively and bring Ukraine into the fold through force. And why it is imperative that, for the reasons of state, that EU and the West as a whole aids Ukraine to remain as a state through economic and militarily means.
@@jakobtarrasericsson4295 The problem is that mos tof these things arent Ukrainian exports. Ukraine just a stransit state for Russian resources. People oftne use fake statistics to relabel these as "Ukrainian". Ukraine produced low grade grain. Thats it.
@@attilamarics3374😂😂😂😂😂
@@VlasneToJeDobre You can pretty much google up the ukrainian resources. 99% of them were either in the Donbass are currently too close to the front. Or in the russian controled black sea.
Gain that does not meet any health safety requirement but if its did, it would quickly lose its low competitive price, eastern other european nations also produce a lot of agricultural products many of them have enormous potential my country has that potential but its unrealised due to our corrupt government, which hasnt built or done anything useful since the fall of communism.
Another solution to this problem would be stop forcing farmers to kill their entire livelihood for ,,environmental reasons"
-90% industry, +20% to agriculture
What a terrible idea. The moment Ukraine joins, three or four countries will leave the EU.
ukraine cant join to eu its still a fact
good riddance 🤡
The return of the king
Would be terrible for the EU. I have the utmost sympathy and support Ukraine in their fight against Russia however they do not meet what is supposed to be the criteria to join the EU. It is still a deeply corrupt country with questionable legal system and economically offers very little. Personally I think we should freeze EU expansion. There's enough problems with it already without adding more
Would be terrible for Ukraine as well. Lets say Ukraine joins the EU. A decade passes, 2 decades pass, a trillion euros later Ukraine is mostly rebuilt. And now western Europe will try to cash in the blank check that Ukraine gave them. How will western Europe do that? By trying to force the same leftoid progressive insanity that they're nonstop terrorizing Hungary and Poland with. And if Ukraine resists, then western Europe will use the same financial blackmail tactics and smear tactics that they're using against Hungary and Poland.
We are talking now about the start of negotiations, nobody say that Ukraine will join now, or in next couple of years
While you want to freeze expansion of EU, BRICS is expanding. You need to thing ahead
Ok, France when ex premier joined Russian oil company are not corrupt? Or many austrian conpanies which avoid sanctions are not corrupt...? Its we, ukranians, yells about corruption in our country and even thinkig that this corruption are more dangerous than war (mostly of political struglles between political parties). I think nowadays our level of corruption are so-so to Romania or Greece.
Also about economic - without access to large markets you cant build prosperous economic - so we have little choice - to be part of Western block *EU or be part of poor pro-russian countries (or pro-china) (with possibility of losing war and without support from EU it will be a high chances for that)
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍Finally someone with sense.
Does Ukraine meet even 1 EU criteria?
Yes at 14:27 you can see a table showing some of their statuses with the eu criteria (green being good to go) it only shows one green in the shot but you can see in the background another table has several green criteria
Now!? None... But reality might be different in the future... After the War...
@@viorelpiscanu9425 yeah it’s likely especially the economic and stability ones will have slipped
They meet 4 out of 7 or 9
@@ShubhamMishrabro Any new country has to respect all criteria in Order to join the EU club! One of them(crucial) is not to have any kind of dispute wit other country in the vecinity, unless this rules are not changed meanwhile...
40 years minimum and thats being optimistic
The EU needs to be a federation
10:16 forgotten to mention that clashes started after a brutal dispersal of students peace demonstration 🪧. And violence began in response to police's (formal militia) unfair use of force. The summarizing of total corruption, mafianisation and rejection of EU direction led to such massive strikes and participating of people.
One important thing that many fail to note is that there were pretty much no separatist movements in Eastern Ukraine prior to Russian army entering the region. And no, Crimea didn't just declare independence due to its alignment with Russia. First, the "little green men" (Russian army in unmarked uniforms) seized strategic locations in Crimea; then it suddenly announced a referendum (btw, this violates the international law - you can't just organize a referendum in a neighboring country without their consent); there were many issues with the "referendum," such as lack of international observers, suspiciously high number "yes" votes, and the fact that people who fled Crimea did not get to vote (not that that would affect the "results" anyway).
We don't want to be dragged into WW3!
Great video.
More like - how much longer will Ukraine have to work on changes to join, waiting asumes they are doing nothing and awaiting "yes" to be said, they applied and EU signed the paper but now it's mostly up to them and the effort just begins, it will be years long looking at the astronomical corruption, oligarchic political system and a loooot of other problems such as not respecting minority rights, shitty judical system, and a lot of anarchy caused becouse of war that will remain for some time after the war etc.
Being shoot at and fighting for your freedom does not transform you into democracy.
Ukraine has really shifted under Zelenskyy, who has sought to combat corruption, allow more freedom of speech and even improve LGBTQ+ rights, which shows how Ukraine is really trying to integrate by adopting some of the EU standards while not being in the EU.
It looks like it will not join or not soon, especially because of Hungary and Slovakia
1:58 well i dont know how you can expect anything more from an organization that includes both france and germany
The fact that Crimea is so pro Russian raises the question as to whether the annexation is really as big a deal as so many people are making out. Maybe allowing those parts of Ukraine to join Russia might make it easier for the rest of the country to become more integrated with the EU
Its NEVER EVER going to happen. It needs to sink in.
I like how I got an AdVenture Communist ad
That’s funny
As a German, Im always happy when a exploitable mark- I mean free and democratic country, joins our... union
Ich denke wir haben genug Fachkräfte für schrumpfende Wirtschaft
"I'm not like the other girls!"
That is what you sound like, OP. Big yikes.
:trollface:
Ukraine has GDP per capita as Mongolia! Our economies are crumbling. National budgets of EU are under duress of almost 100 million retirees and welfare recipients. We cannot feed economically even Ukraine.
When Bulgaria was joining the EU, Russian propaganda said the same thing. Now the average salary in Bulgaria is 3 times higher than in Russia.
12:56 I am a EU Citizen and know literally nobody who supports Ukraine joining the EU. Ive watched the video and I really dont know where he gets the positive feeling towards Ukraine from EU Citizens. I mean in the beginning there was a lot sympathy for Ukraine all through out Europe, but as the War progressed and all our Tax Money got wasted, support for Ukraine decreased dramatically. To put it simple: People are sick and tired of Ukraine and do not support them Joining the EU because everyone here knows that WE the EU Taxpayers would have to rebuild that corrupt shithole.
Just because you personally don't know anyone who supports Ukraine does not mean nobody supports Ukraine.
"corrupt shithole" sounds like your mother
@@enpakeksi765 Look, I do support Ukraine in the Defence of their Homeland. They have every right to do that. However i do not support them joining the EU while at war or shortly after the war. I also dont support any special procedures that allow them to ignore the necessary requirements every other aspiring EU Member has to fulfil in order to join. Their Economy is basically non existent at this point, a huge chunk of their population has left the country, it is corrupt as a country can possibly be and last but not least it is becoming a Dictatorship.
How can any EU Taxpayer support them Joining the EU?
I suspect no country is going to be allowed to join the EU until at least 2030, Ukraine is very likely to be longer than that, depending on how the war goes and how quickly it ends.
First the EU will have to do major reforms, especially on it's veto rules before it new members can join, talks on that are only just starting, and will likely take years to get anywhere, never mind implement, I suspect around 2025-26 for serious talks on hammering out a deal on treaty change, a few years after that to implement, so 2030 at the earliest, then we've got the reforms countries that want to join will need to do, many of the ones waiting are in a better position to join and probably could shortly after 2030, but when it comes to Ukraine, it could take longer then that.
The war in Ukraine will need to be resolved one way or the other, Ukraine is also starting out at an earlier stage when it comes to reforms compared to the other countries in waiting.
But the war in Ukraine very well could focus minds in Ukraine to do the reforms that were difficult to do but much easier now, I suspect there won't be much of the public or political parties that would stand in the way of those reforms, not with everything that is going on with Russia, and that will very likely speed up the process of reforms in many areas, being as there is a very high percentage of the public and political parties onboard to reform the country to get away from Russia, joining the EU will help to secure Ukraine's future and will make it almost impossible for Ukraine to be attacked from Russia again, unless Russia was willing to go to war with the EU and it's members, plus NATO, which is highly unlikely.
What's left of Ukraine after the war, you mean.
@Ruairoquai The war will only end once the Russians are expelled therefore 100% of Ukraine will be left.
If Ukraine got into the EU before Macedonia or Albania then this whole process is rotten.
I dont want to be rude but which part of Ukrain will join? The EU is going to fall apart sooner than Ukrain even joining in. LoL come on!
Russia not only supported separatist movements, but also brought its troops into Ukraine without insignia, so it was an invasion, not a civil conflict, even in the east of the country there was a strong pro-Ukrainian and pro-European movement
What is your opinion about the residents of Azov and Aidars and their actions against Russian speakers living in Ukraine? The regime of the Zelensky government does not recognize any minority, except Tatar
@@renekton1237 The units you mentioned are filled with Russian-speaking fighters, and all you have heard about them is Russian propaganda and disinformation. Zelensky himself spoke Russian more often before the full-scale invasion. For us, language is a marker of identity, and given the numerous bans on the Ukrainian language and the imposition of Russian, we have a corresponding attitude towards it. The Russian-speaking group itself does not claim rights based on language; for this, they should recognize themselves as a representative of the Russian national minority. Ukrainians who speak Russian have no problem understanding Ukrainian.
@@aronwallies6172
This is what they said in the news abroad has nothing to do with "Russian propaganda"
@@renekton1237 Of course it does, you have no idea how much money Russia is investing in discrediting Ukraine to reduce international support and sow doubt among citizens of Ukraine's allies. Journalists can pick up pro-Russian narratives without even realizing it
After hearing that the document was over 2000 pages, i start to belive the EU is basicly like Draws in Fantasy ... There are rules and aggrements for everything.
Washington and Beijing are quite similar. Big entities require big administration.
So you wanted a deal signed with blood in a paper napkin?
too early to join.
EU had enough beggar, they don't need another one worse than that.
Never
The critical factor is Ukraine's access to gas resources within its borders. arguably this is exactly why Russia invaded before spring, because there were plans to extract gas that year come the spring and Russia had to move quickly to prevent EU membership.
Maybe they should invite Yugoslavia to join too.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice summary.
Welcome back
If it wasn't supported by the US nobody would talk about Ukraine joining the EU.
Look at Georgia.
ruzzia didnt support separitist movements - they created them. And they started way before 2014. They started from 2008 after Georgia. We used to have open propaganda like a party called putins politics party - that was their official name. Or a hidden propaganda on tv shows, tv channels, some politicians that want better brotherhood relations. Mine workers of Donbas somewhere found guns and tanks to fight ukrainian army for 8 years. Such a good separitist movement, I wish me and my boys have enough tanks on our backyard.
It ain't happening.
Add the hungarian PM in the equation and you'll see
Half of Ukraine is in the EU - they don't need any membership - "refugee status" is enough and they have benefits that EU citizens have never dreamed of.
This is never happening
My plan is coming to fruition.
Why is Hungary in the EU?
Less corrupt than ukraine
Because Orbans family is personally profiting off of it.
The truth is: EU doesn't expand because of being good, but because of money. Last huge expansion was 19 years ago (Poland + 8 smaller countries), since then those countries got richer and more competitive, and EU companies need new labor work and export markets, even at cost of instability: war which won't end any soon, oligarchy, insane corruption, huge poverty (Ukraine was the richest country of post-soviet block - where is Ukraine now, and where are Poland, Czechia, Estonia?).
Sharing stereotypes is cringe bro, you better use official stats to say how poor Ukraine is bruh
Ukraine has done most of European “recommendations”, and the most success were actually about corruption, courts and national minorities rights reforms
Well, we should also talk about IF Ukraine joins one day, what will its borders be like?
@excentrik5725 Go on then, start the ball rolling...
Everything from the black sea to vladivostok, probably.
@@evildude109 I sometimes see people say things like this but it doesn't work. As a democracy you don't really want to annex enemy territory, because everybody living there needs to become a citizen and be able to vote in your elections. Ukraine will not annex any Russian land.
Ukraine really isn’t a democratic country though
@@xway2 Ukraine is and alway was very far from a proper democracy. It was a criminal run hellhole.
Coke plant is under attack
Wut?
Makes you wonder why Cyprus is not on the same boat-ish with Ukraine.
Well../ sometimes in the future... Not during the war...which nobody can predict its end ....
Even if it were to return to its pre-war state Ukraine would destroy the single market and guarantee that the current trend of individual states reestablishing hard borders would continue for a LONG time.
They’re just not developed enough and there’s too many of them for it to work anytime soon.
I could see a tiered entry in to the EU where immigration from Ukraine was limited and access to the free market / EU subsidy system wasn’t fully implemented.
Poland was in the same position, just look it up.
For Ukraine it is probably going to be an economic miracle, for Poland and Western Europe probably a bitter pill to swallow (especially for the low wage sector).
Yeah, no doubt it'd be good for Ukraine, and any form of integration is better for all parties in the long run. I don't see the short-term economic costs going down well with any EU state. Basicaly, don't see how a resolution to welcome them would pass. @@AKAHEIZER
@@AKAHEIZERyeah Poland was in the same position. Now 180 billion euros later, Poland is still not a net contributor and wasnt thoroughly "vibe checked" in the first place imo. If Poland is to pay the first cent more than it gets from the EU It'll throw a massive tantrum. It will be constantly throwing around vetos and threaten to leave the EU. And if that doesnt work, its probably Germanys fault again. So sorry but French and German citizens cant perpetually pay for everyone anymore. Thats why sadly they're voting further right. Id happily pay for ukrainian development myself but sadly im just a german citizen and not one of our corporate shotcallers.
Ukraine will join in EU like 2134 year..... 😁😂
13:03 uhhh what ? No lol, the statistic you show says nothing remotely even simular.
Excellent video (despite repeating a lot of ruSSian false narratives about Ukraines internal situation). Ukraine is willing to do everything to join our European brothers.
Are you Ukrainian? Why do you treat your minorities like shit?
Как там с демографией))))
This is a joke, isn't it?
Yea! This is something what i doubt.
Ukraine joining the EU and bringing the rest of us into war is ridiculous. I really hope Italy leave this trash of an union.
nazii spotted 🤡
War with who? If you're talking about Russia, wtf as Russia got to do with Ukraine joining the EU? Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Did Poland or Romania joining the EU brought the EU into any war?
Please leave... but pay target 2 on your way out 😂
one things for sure, its not gonna join with the borders shown on the thumbnail...
This either will never happen, or became the end of EU.
@aresnir2725 ...or it'll be absolutely fine.
@@crose7412 it can't be. Ukraine does not meet any of the requirements of the European Union. it is a poor, corrupt, non-democratic, nationalist state that is at war. EU will break it's core principles if it accepts Ukraine.
@@crose7412yes
Ukraine should join Russia, not EU!
Who are you telling this nonsense to?
I'm curious, what happens if Ukraine didn't joined EU but only joining Schengen or EEC
Huge brain drain and immigration crisis, plus crashing the European grain market.
how could they join schengen while at war?
they cant
being in the EU is a requirement for Schengen
Switzerland is an exception not the rule because it was the majority in a referendum
i doubt Ukraine can have such support seeing as some countries are immigration averse
@@Juanguar Iceland, Norway and the small states are in Schengen. But I don't see Ukraine join Schengen and not the EU, indeed
@@Just_another_Euro_dude Sometimes, for all the regularities and rules EU does stand for, it may be bent or tested due to the exceptional times we live in.
Haha, good joke.
It will be another DLC for Euro Truck Simulator 2
This will never happen
3:55 just curious, shouldn't that credit belong to NATO as they are a military alliance where countries don't just fight each other, but also have to fight FOR each other?
Nice video tho!
I’d agree with you on that personally. Though maybe you could argue economic integration also played a part as the Cyprus situation proved.
No. At least with France and Germany the idea was to intertwine both economies to such an extent, attacking the other would be suicide.
NATO might've had a similiar effect but that wasn't the intent.
*Considering 🇹🇷Türkiye has applied for 36 years since 1987 & still hasn't been accepted...I wonder if 🇺🇦Ukraine would join before Turkey does.*
Turkey stopped changing it's government on the elections. So it will never EVER join. It's not a democracy and it supports and loves the Armenian genocide. Plus Turkey is not Europe, except tiny part of the country. That Asiatic country will ABSOLUTELY NEVER join the EU. They also invaded and occupied half of Cyprus while expelling the Greeks. Turkey is the BIGGEST enemy in the HISTORY OF EUROPE together with Russia. Those two are Asiatic despot loving countries. Not a European mentality.
Turkey will never join
With this economy and government Turkey has 30 years more to go. Erdogan not only ruined the government but also leaded the society in a conservative way. The country is divided into two, the seculars and the religious ones. That is the actual problem imo.
Because of that, lgbt and woman issues will never be solved and we know what EU says about that. Not to mention the tyrant regime.
turkey is undemocratic, has massive oppression of the kurds, funds middle eastern organisations to kill kurdish people in syria, is a pain in natos backside, why would the EU want them to join? also look at the turkish economy. the lira has gone from 0.8 lira to one USD to 0.035 lira to one USD
Yes
I think that Ukraine never join in EU. This is very poor country, with debt and very destroyed country. Many countries with better situation must to wait EU joining. That not be a fair for these countries.
All east european countries were significantlöy less wealthy then western europe when they joined. Being poor (compared to western europe) isnt a problem at all. In particualr as Ukraine also brings a lot of assets into the EU (natural ressources, food surplus).
@@bond0815 I dont know what happened with Ukraine after war. Who will be a president, which political situation in Ukraine will be?
Will Ukraine be the same size or smaller? Will people, after all the deceptions and lies, turn to America and EU or Russia, regardless of the fact that they fought against Russia?
Ukraine is a victim between USA/EU and Russia. The worst situation for average people.
@@bond0815 ukraine's gdp per capita is more comparable to countries like algeria and vietnam rather than bulgaria or even russia
Even before it got destroyed by this war it wasn`t even close to be fit to join the EU. Not just economically. Yes they are victims of a war, but that should not let people forget the facts about that country. Just because they are being attacked by big bad Russia, doesn`t make them good. The Ukraine is an oligarchy like Russia and is corrupt like Russia. Not to mention the human rights issues in the Ukraine that still need to be solved. And as popular as Selenski has gotten due to the war, especially in the West, right before the war his ratings were slightly above 20% and he would have lost the next election if it had happened.
I see especially push from USAmericans to let the Ukraine join the EU. If they want them so much, they should let the Ukraine join as the 51st state of the US. Nothing would piss off Putin more than that.
@@bond0815 To have resources they need the territories Russia either occupies or they are waging a conflict on. Other than those lands, Ukraine has no resources. And its very unlikely they will have those after the conflict ends.
NO
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Just join EFTA instead, this whole project is already so troubled due to how we need all nations to agree to big decisions. Also they'd have to replace the hryvnia with the euro and that is just an aesthetic downgrade.
Western Europeans like to think of Europe as this unified culture. Eastern Europe doesn't see it that way, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and socially conservative countries in Europe. They're just as conservative as Russia and just as corrupt the two countries are barely any different. Adding Ukraine to the EU will literally be like adding Russia to the EU 😅 they will vote against LGBT rights, freedom of speech, immigration, pretty much anything you would expect Russia to.
I wonder what will happen with Ukraine & Russia. I feel like Russia hates everyone. I feel that the Russians also hate everyone else. I used to visit Москва all the time. For years. Moscow is pretty cool, well from a tourist perspective. My last visit was awful, I felt like people could tell I was tourist, gave me weird looks, people just seemed very unhappy, food was nasty, lots of business are gone, it’s just different now. I’m a Pacific Islander so I am far far away from this drama. If Ukraine wants to join, then so be it. But when we look at history of the world, I feel like the Europeans are very afraid of the whole communist regime. Communism was a horrible idea, look what happened in Russia because of it. Russia has definitely paid the consequences for that collapse. Russia has some dark history, wild history, some good history, but I find a particular daunting thing about Russia, they were given freedom when the Soviet Union collapsed & then didn’t know what to do with their freedom. Look at Russia today, I hope those folks find their ways but I also believe Russia needs a newer, younger, & more sophisticated leader. Putin needs to go retire and call it a day already. 10 years ago Russia was a cool spot, shot, 20 years ago even it was cool. But today, things aren’t the same. I also hate those horrible commie-block buildings. Damn it’s depressing. Those buildings are literally so depressing and they look so disgusting no wonder why the Russians are pissed off lol (jokes aside) I think it’s in Russia’s best interests to find a new leader & to find themselves. Them Europeans do not want Russia in that club. What a freaking mess.
Correction: a new government came in before the former leader left the country.
Nope. Do not lie me, I am Ukrainian I know better than you!
As Ukrainian I agree that it is not the time for election. And mind that I don't support Zelensky and never have. I want him out of office. But I still think that elections should be done after the war and not during it. I can expand my arguments if you want...
Yeah what do you hate about Zelensky just curious?
Yeah what do you hate about Zelensky just curious?
@@chadbrad8100 he tried to look for peace in Putin's eyes in 2019-2021. Took off the troops during these years. Put money to build roads and not military equipment. And so on... Even now. All the same. Our nation, our army are heroes. But our politicians and diplomats are far from that. Zelensky wants to be in spotlight and that hurts Ukraine.
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 mostly agree as ukranian and dont support Zelensky too, but well... sometimes thinking that idea for looking for peace was not bad but unfortunately unreal.