Roko Krstičević undervolting isnt too complicated. Its somewhat related to overclocking, except the goal isnt to reduce performance. Stock voltage on cpus is not the minimum voltage a cpu can run at, its a standard voltage used that should work on all chips. this is why you "can" overclock on the stock voltage. undervolting simply keeps stock clock speeds, while lowering voltage. this can create instability problems so it has to be properly tested. an easy way to think about it is: voltage + clock speed = output heat. so if you lower either the temperature will decrease. honestly if you don't need the extra clock speed, its a good choice to lower temps, and thus improving life of the parts.
Climatee If a copper system was indeed running from the fridge,it would mean copper pipes carry heat from the laptop to the fridge,where low ambient temperatures are I guess supposed to passively cool it,not sure where you're getting the idea of moisture getting involved.
Was looking for this comment, I also use throttlestop to get raise current limit to 25 watts on u series intel chips but that will just get you to thermal throttle quicker.
My i7 4600u laptop was able to get to around -90 mv stable. I found that you usually can lower it more if you turn off hyper threading but it makes performance much worse usually.
If it decreases performance then a lot of times it has to run the processor hotter for longer so i usually like to keep clock speeds high as possible and use as many threads to get the work done and then it can go into sleep states.
good advice. if you're taking your laptop apart it's also worth having a can of compressed air handy to clear out all the dust that accumulates in there and making sure the fans and vents are clear, especially if your machine is a few years old.
Nice video. I wish as many laptops were easy to tear down as that XPS. I've done two Qosmio's and it took a fair amount of time and effort to get at the CPU and GPU. Virtually had to disassemble 70% of the laptops. Like you found, just by cleaning and putting on new paste, I achieved a 10 degree drop in comparable temps. A good suggestion is also to get a can of air and clean/blow out out any vents, fans and all the 'nooks and crannies'. Take the opportunity to clean out your laptop and get that limited air flow maxed. If you are using the laptop on a desk consider buying a laptop cooling pad. Plenty to choose from on Amazon. My son has a Cooler Master Pad under his ASUS ROG and it helps keep the temps down. Thanks for another great video. Hope you are enjoying your Audi. Looks a real mean machine.
You should probably Put thermal pads on the backsite of the Motherboard where your cpu and gpu is.I did this with my one and it wont go over 80c under load
Get one of those 4 color sided nail filing blocks and lap the copper heatsink on the laptop. Especially if your laptop takes a lot of work and you have to dissemble the entire thing to switch thermal paste. Most still require that especially Corporate/Enterprise laptops compared to consumer ultrabooks. The filing blocks will have extra coarse, coarse, fine and extra fine sides. The extra coarse side is what will make it as flat as possible and you spend most of your time on that. The rest will just bring it up to mirror polish level. This typically drops the laptop another 5-15 degrees. Depending on how uneven the copper block was. Plus around another 5 from good paste. Since your sanding material is already in flat block form it really helps to get the copper heat sink flat. Plus these nail filing blocks are usually only $1-$3. Usually get almost 15-20 laptops out of each one. And they are the perfect size to fit in the laptop heatsinks.
I managed a stable -140 mV undervolt on my XPS. It helped quite a bit. The temperatures reach Tmax, but when the fans kick in, it stabilizes at around 86 C.
Good thermal paste can make all the difference. It's all I did to repair my father's Toschiba. It was loud as hell and freezing all the time while he was gaming. Just some cleaning and changing paste made it running both quiet and stable.
I used to render videos on my laptop a couple years back, some renders would take 20 hours (because my laptop was a piece of crap) and I remember opening it up for the first time and looking at the internals. I didn't realize how hot it would get until now. The entire metal frame was burnt and discolored. That's when I decided to move on the to the PC master race.
Thanks to your concise, and no bull**** video, I got a 10 degree Celsius drop from 96 to 86 max running on AIDA64 for 6 minutes on my GL502VSK i7-7700HQ and 1070 GTX. I repasted after 3 years and the old paste was definitely dry. I used the new Noctua NT-H2 and I love it. I applied "X" on GPU and "line" on CPU.
Replacing thermal paste helps, but undervolting is much more significant. Ive dropped crazy amount of heat from my GL502VS just by using both replacing the thermal paste and undervolting CPU/GPU (from 90ish to 60-70ish). I dunno why but it also increases the overall stability (0 fps spikes that Ive seen before) and performance (I can hit 120 FPS in Witcher 3, only 89 fps max before). It is worth the effort guys, trust me
I actually did this recently on an old dualcore laptop.. I also blew out the fan with a compressor and I went from about 85C down to 65-75C :) Can't believe how much dust the fan had picked up :)
Thanks Bro! I just followed the video and repaste my laptop after changing the battery for the second time and it has never been quieter! You're the best!
Just did this on my laptop and cpu temps dropped by 12-15 celcius -> No more throttling while gaming. I was meaning to do it for awhile but seeing your video sparked my inspiration do finally do it, so I must thank you!
I have a 4.5 year old Dell Vostro for which I have been considering this same action. My temps had been running in the 135-150 range (Fahrenheit, not C... ). But by using "SpeedFan" to jack the pwm up to 100% (~5100 rpm) I got literally a 35-40 degree improvement... so... I may still try this maintenance step. I suspect the TIM on mine is in no better shape! Thanks for the demo of yours.
great video! dell changed my motherboard and now it runs more hot. I was on the edge of changing the thermal compound my self. I will do that as soon as possible now !
Thank you for making this video! I have an ACER ASPIRE 4730Z that has been notorious for overheating. A friend cleaned cooling fan, cleaned thermal paste, applied Arctic Silver thermal paste, installed brand new mainboard and I bought an Xpad. So hopefully it will run cooler--I'll let you know. Can't wait to try AIDA64. I also have a DELL LATITUDE E6410 and the avg temp for CPU under 100% load was 82.1C after 2:00
You could also disassemble the box in which fan lives, clean it up, and add a spit of lubricant (i actually used a sun oil that most people have on their kitchen) between connection of the fan and a base it sits on. In my case i've achieved zero throttling, temps around 70 under load, and pretty much no noise, compared to terrible buzzing and reduced performance to around 50%.
I have the same laptop and i did the same thing but i also bought some thin thermal pads and placed them on the heat pipe assembly as well as the ssd. This conducts even more heat away from the cpu and puts it into the aluminum housing. Under load my max cpu temp is 76c, the bottom of the laptop does get a little hotter but i dont mind because i rarely ever place it directly on my lap anyways (gotta protect my boys). Haha great video as always.
Thanks, Greg, this works fine for my Dell M3800. Before I replace the thermal compound, the CPU temperature is about 80c, after the replacement, it's about 55c±.
I agree with the thermal compound amount. A little too much is far and away more safe than not using enough, especially if you are applying directly to the CPU or GPU die.
That reminds me of my ancient FSC laptop, where the thermal compound got so old and dry, that the heatsink of the GPU got pushed out of its place, leaving a hole in the mainboard where one of the screws used to be. Interestingly though it was still operational and a good clean, new thermal compound and a bit of hot glue got it to work until today, although being pretty useless without drivers for anything newer than Windows XP.
To complete the task you need to actually tear down the fan assembly aswell because there is guaranteed amount of dust and wool balls blocking the airflow. However in this case the fins come of with the heatpipe/block assembly so not necessary in this case. However Acer and Asus uses fin stack attached to fan assembly and that way you need to remove pretty much everything. I have also found out that using laptop 1-3h a day about 5 days a week trough out the year will cause the fan assembly to get full of dust and requires cleaning and which worries me people do not do that.
I've seen the Dell XPS line used a few different times to showcase the improved performance from reapplying the thermal paste yourself. I wonder if this kinda thing is Dell specific or if most other windows laptops have this problem. I have a XPS 9350 myself and will definitely be taking a look in there.
I have built many pcs. Played with thermal paste and such... I don't understand why I never thought of this for a laptop. Nice work brain! Going to do this now for my uni laptop! Silence ftw!
I highly recommend you look up for a tear down video on youtube for your own specific laptop model. I helped my cousin to dismantled his alienware laptop just to clean the fans and heatsinks. It was a nightmare. We had to remove everything, including the keyboard just to reach the fans. So having a video to know how to take it apart is very useful.
Very hard for a noob, though I still managed it. Things like the glued in microphone just trying to catch one out! No fun. My new XPS 15 is incredibly simple ahhhhhhh
The HP Probook 450 is a total pain in the butt to take apart. Did the same thing - cleaned it (wasn't THAT dirty to begin with), changed the thermal compound and put it back together. Even with a youtube video showing how to take this model apart it was still time consuming and nerve wrecking at times. I guess other manufacturers have better built laptop chassis.
Sweet! I just had to get down to my motherboard to actually change the thermal compound. Thank you HP ProBook 4530s for delighting me with a mere hour of work (and another one and a half for cleaning the dust out)! I actually had fun besides my sarcastic note, but damn, it took a while to get the job done. (which actually felt like almost one whole hour, which proves i had a lot of fun)
I have the xps 13 - I did repaste it, but what actually lowered my temps more was to undervolt it! You should do the same test but with undervolting. It lowered my max temps with 10c and idle with 5c
I would add an extra trick I picked up. Using intel XTU, I undervolted my XPS 15 processor by 150mV. This removed any thermal throttling issues I encountered in the past without impacting performance. Apparently, it is standard for Dell to feed more power than required to the CPU "just in case".
Long->Short; cooler, quicker, worse battery, and very hot exhaust under heavy use. Short->Long; Did that on my Yoga 2 Pro a few months after i got it, but i used Liquid Ultra and some normal paste around it on the chip (not on the die) to prevent the Liquid Ultra from shorting something out. First thing i noticed is that it never drops out of turbo boost under normal use, or even moderately heavy use. Second thing i noticed was that it never got noticeably warm anymore. Although the exhaust went from warm to uncomfortably hot. Last thing i noticed was that because it staying in Turbo Boost the battery would drain quicker if i was doing moderately heavy tasks.
I saw one of these videos that went that extra step. The thermal paste was cleaned off and re applied but a thermal pad was placed on the heat pipes. This seemed to be a very effective fix
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@@GregSalazar what are you talking about? Undervolting is ESPECIALLY helpful on H series CPU-s, which usually have way too much voltage pumped into them compared to ULV CPU-s. Most of i7 6700hq-s are capable of whapping -0.1 volts, which decreases power by around 20 % and as a result gives noticeably lower temps. I undervolted my 8750h by -130mv(fully stable) and I get -10 degree drop in CPU intensive games. And GPU undervolting helped by around 3-4 degrees as well. Far more effective than repasting in more than 90% of cases.
Hmmm... I have that same laptop, XPS 13 9343. Thinking about doing this since I already need a new battery due to water damage. Might as well put in some after market thermal paste while I'm at it, especially since my warranty just expired and it's so easy to do.
That laptop is so simple to disassemble. I'll do the same with mine one of these days when I have so free time. It's a Lenovo G580 and from the guides I've looked up it seems a lot more complicated to disassemble. I think I'll have to replace the bottom panel too because the part where the left hinge screws on to it is cracked.
Just undervolt your laptop with ThrottleStop. I'm running at a constant overall 75°c down from 85°c-90°c while gaming and 34°c while browsing and doing other stuffs
I like the sound panels. I'd like to get someone for one wall to stop sound from going into the bedroom
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After this video I decided to give it a try with my 5 years old Dell Vostro 3750. It's been overheating for a while now and hitting 95C at 30% of usage....and throttling. I didn't expect a lot of differance but... 20C drop at iddle, 30C drop at load!!! WTF! Thank you for the idea :D. I really didn't that changing thermal compound would give such a differance!
Great video Greg. I was expecting something like 5-7 degrees improvement or the same temps but no thermal throttling... but 10 degrees AND no thermal throttling ? That's very significant. What kind of cheap crap is Dell using ? It's not like thermal compound is that expensive...
My Lenovo let's its fans ramp up immediately when stressed, never saw temps going above 67°C when stressed, it's just an i5 7200U but that's still nice, I undervolted it to -0.1 V and it now has a max temp of 60°C and it's quiter. I'll definitely put some quality thermal paste in there later, should run even cooler.
Omg just think what a massive headache you would get from trying to figure out the screw tightness issue on your own, like you would legit NEVER think of it.
Great video. I am curious why your laptop didn't post the first time you did this? Did you potentially fracture some solder balls between the CPU and PCB when over-tightened the screws? Did the CPU make contact with the motherboard again when you loosened the screws?
Just did this on mine tonight. Cleaned all the dust out, installed an SSD, replaced the thermal compound. Boom. I wish I would have taken a base line temperature, but hey, I figured why not while I was in there. I also pulled and reinstalled one of the RAM modules for kicks and giggles... Then had no display after I closed it up. I opened it back up, was pulling my hair out, tried to boot without the heat sink (thinking I had too much thermal paste or too tight of screws on the block.) Pulled the CMOS battery, decided to pull that RAM stick out and it boots. No idea what happened to the RAM but it won't boot with that stick in. 😥 Cut my RAM in half because of... I just have to take things apart.
with new thermal paste sometime a small undervolt help too. and a good cleaning. (by the way take care it has no diamond in the thermal paste or any other abrasive that could kill the die.
Very well presented, I've been recommended to give this process a go by a friend who also had similar issues with throttling. I will be following along when my thermal past arrives in the mail!
so I've replaced my stock thermal paste with arctic mx and it did work wonders for a few months. And i replace it every now and then, every couple months. Now my temps are no longer as they were. Meaning, the thermal paste change no longer has the same average thermal reduction i used to get after the first time i replaced my stock paste. Now I've undervolted my cpu. It worked... for a time. And then temps started rising again. Even with the undervolt AND new thermal paste
Hey guy like the video I am going to do this to my Dell pretty soon. Also video idea try to undervolt it and compare the temps to what you were getting before. I have undervolted my dell and it now will run at 3.5Ghz constant.My dell is the 7000 inspiron13in i7. It is worth a try at the very least.
Best temps you will get is to use Coollaboratory Liquid Pro (as long as heatsink isnt aluminum). Will decrease temps by 10-20C. Best stuff you can get. Only caveat is that you NEED TO INSULATE THE STUFF IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE CPU DIE! (it is liquid metal so highly conductive.) i did it to my laptop CPU as well as my GPU on computer. Works AMAZINGLY WELL!!!!! just put some vasaline or electrical tape around the die and youre good to go.
BRO I WISH HAD DONE THIS ON A DELL INSPIRON 7559 GOT THIS LAPTOP TWO YEARS NOW AND ITS RUNNING KINDER HOT.......ITS A POPULAR LAPTOP TO SURE ALOT A PEOPLE WOULD AGREE WITH ME.........BTW REPPING OUT A TRINIDAD LOVE YOUR VIDEOS....
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Wow I did it on my XPS 13 as well and the difference is astonishing! Thank you and fuck the dell gunk!!! I used some cheap EK Ectotherm thermal compound btw.
i just found this video because my xps 9560 is running quite hot and i never thought of the thermal glue...will try this in the upcoming week when my thermal paste arrives. thanks!
@@SirAguilera i see a significant improvement! i didn't run any tests or measure any temperatures (lazy) but under the same loads the laptop runs quieter and colder (to the touch). good luck with yours!
My 14 inch Gigabyte p34w v4 has a 5600HQ @3.5Ghz and a 970m. My max temps are 92 dregrees on the CPU and 86 degrees Celsius on the GPU with stock paste. I replaced my thermal paste and cleaned the fans of any dust and other "gunk". No much change to the load temps but its quite a bit quieter gaming and silent at idle or web browsing.
Did I forget something? 1. Reapplying Thermal Paste 2. Removing dust. 3. Changing Power Plan. You can cap for example CPU usage at max 75% 4. Undervolting CPU. All CPUs tend to get more volt than needed to work properly Check on google for tools. Some laptops will permit to do so through BIOS. 5. Downclocking CPU in extreme cases where temperature are out of hand. 6. Buying thermal pad and applying inside the laptop can help sometime. 7. Cooling Pads 8. Avoid putting the laptop on tissue or anything that accumulates thermal temperature.
The single best thing you can do to stop your CPU killing itself in this case is switch off turbo boost. You gain more heat than performance in most real world testing. When I brought my Xeon (Dell Precision 5510) back down to 2.8 and left it there, heat went right fown along with it. The chip went from throttling after about 10m of CFD load (yeh, I know... CFD on a laptop... I hang my head in shame...) to being stable at low to mid 70s (with an appropriate vented riser!) for days, up to even a week at a time. I'm expecting another 5 degree drop at most from switching to AS5, MX-4 or NT-H1, but I don't think that'll be enough to stop 'er throttling with turbo boost back on. The heatsink just isn't big enough. The funny thing is I've actually gained speed (overall) by stopping the chip going down to 2.2GHz or less when it throttles, instead running at a stable 2.8. I'd imagine this would translate to very consistent (albeit a bit lower) frame rates in gaming too
Hey greg I've been looking at getting a high end laptop for a while and was concerned about thermals. I like your idea of adding thermal paste but the whole idea of taking apart a laptop gives me anxiety. I've built a computer before but laptops seen like a whole different world. If you can give some advice of working with laptops, I'll appreciate it very much. Not just thermal paste but upgrading ram etc. Again, thanks, and great video! Edit: What I mean is, would you recommend messing with a laptop if you're inexperienced.
samin amanat My advice for disassembling a laptop for the first time is grab a tech PDF off the company's website. That usually, but not all the time, has disassembley instructions contained within. As your taking your laptop apart, TAKE PLENTY OF PICS!. They will prove to be invaluable to you if you get a bit confused. Last point, Don't sweat it. Laptops today are much more simple in their construction as to the ones 15- 20 years ago. They really are very hard to mess up. In conclusion, ...... Dude, you got this!
Hey Greg, nice video! Have you tested fan banks like what Cooler Master makes in the form of the MasterNotepal Maker? I currently use this with my current Dell laptop and my temperatures are pretty chilly for a laptop (never get above 74C). This was after replacing the thermal compound like you did.
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Well, I have both the skylake XPS 13 and the 2016 MBP. The XPS has to be used on flat surfaces otherwise my junk gets cooked, the MBP on the other hand get's barely warm. Dell totally failed with the cooling on their XPS line. You just can't have the grill on the bottom, it's a LAPtop FFS.
I was speaking more towards anyone looking to do this than to you. Didn't remember hearing you mention to take the precautions due to the lack of heatspreaders on mobile chips.
OMG you used way too much thermal compound, unsubbed!
For those that don't get this is sarcasm, it's sarcasm.
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Science Studio what does undervolting do
+Roko Krstičević - It turns the flame from blue to the yellow you see in the thumbnail.
Roko Krstičević undervolting isnt too complicated. Its somewhat related to overclocking, except the goal isnt to reduce performance. Stock voltage on cpus is not the minimum voltage a cpu can run at, its a standard voltage used that should work on all chips. this is why you "can" overclock on the stock voltage. undervolting simply keeps stock clock speeds, while lowering voltage. this can create instability problems so it has to be properly tested.
an easy way to think about it is:
voltage + clock speed = output heat.
so if you lower either the temperature will decrease.
honestly if you don't need the extra clock speed, its a good choice to lower temps, and thus improving life of the parts.
"puts laptop in a fridge"
I run a copper pipe system from my freezer to my laptop. Temps work great!
dogsrulenw08 oo sounds funky
Vorphyrion there's moisture in a fridge, so you are killing your laptop.
Climatee If a copper system was indeed running from the fridge,it would mean copper pipes carry heat from the laptop to the fridge,where low ambient temperatures are I guess supposed to passively cool it,not sure where you're getting the idea of moisture getting involved.
Vorphyrion *dumps fridge in Antarctica*
Yeah thermal paste reapplication is a great start. I'd also recommend undervolting the cpu (if possible) to reduce temps even more.
Was looking for this comment, I also use throttlestop to get raise current limit to 25 watts on u series intel chips but that will just get you to thermal throttle quicker.
Yeah mileage always varies depending. But undervolting is still worth it if you manage to hit a stable setting.
My i7 4600u laptop was able to get to around -90 mv stable. I found that you usually can lower it more if you turn off hyper threading but it makes performance much worse usually.
I read that somewhere too but that wasn't an option for me due to my day to day tasks. I've got an i7 6820HK.
If it decreases performance then a lot of times it has to run the processor hotter for longer so i usually like to keep clock speeds high as possible and use as many threads to get the work done and then it can go into sleep states.
My god... That disgusting, flaky compound, not satisfying for my profile pic.
LouieDePC I had thermal compound so awful it was a powder on my acer laptop.
NO NO, very unsatisfying
Man the companies are putting drugs in the laptops
Your profile picture is so adorable. c:
Thank you!
good advice. if you're taking your laptop apart it's also worth having a can of compressed air handy to clear out all the dust that accumulates in there and making sure the fans and vents are clear, especially if your machine is a few years old.
Agreed. Wish I had one on hand!
well, yours looked pretty clean tbh, at least compared to the disgusting sight that greeted me when i recently opened up my 7 year old machine!! D:
boac2006 i use a hair drier lol
congrats on the verification my man!
Thanks, Oz! Glad to see you around again!
Science Studio I would be glad to see more uploads from Oz he's too sporadic.
Yeah congrats on the Verification
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Under volt with intel xtreme tuning utility thermal past :) Great video
Nice video. I wish as many laptops were easy to tear down as that XPS. I've done two Qosmio's and it took a fair amount of time and effort to get at the CPU and GPU. Virtually had to disassemble 70% of the laptops. Like you found, just by cleaning and putting on new paste, I achieved a 10 degree drop in comparable temps. A good suggestion is also to get a can of air and clean/blow out out any vents, fans and all the 'nooks and crannies'. Take the opportunity to clean out your laptop and get that limited air flow maxed. If you are using the laptop on a desk consider buying a laptop cooling pad. Plenty to choose from on Amazon. My son has a Cooler Master Pad under his ASUS ROG and it helps keep the temps down. Thanks for another great video. Hope you are enjoying your Audi. Looks a real mean machine.
Lion Bites Thanks for watching! EDIT: love the ride!
You should probably Put thermal pads on the backsite of the Motherboard where your cpu and gpu is.I did this with my one and it wont go over 80c under load
what happened to that "thumbs down if you hate everything about life" outro? I miss it
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Get one of those 4 color sided nail filing blocks and lap the copper heatsink on the laptop. Especially if your laptop takes a lot of work and you have to dissemble the entire thing to switch thermal paste. Most still require that especially Corporate/Enterprise laptops compared to consumer ultrabooks.
The filing blocks will have extra coarse, coarse, fine and extra fine sides. The extra coarse side is what will make it as flat as possible and you spend most of your time on that. The rest will just bring it up to mirror polish level.
This typically drops the laptop another 5-15 degrees. Depending on how uneven the copper block was. Plus around another 5 from good paste.
Since your sanding material is already in flat block form it really helps to get the copper heat sink flat. Plus these nail filing blocks are usually only $1-$3. Usually get almost 15-20 laptops out of each one. And they are the perfect size to fit in the laptop heatsinks.
JimmysTheBestCop what?
www.amazon.com/Shiner-Buffer-Sanding-Manicure-Product/dp/B00GOIKKCA/
6 years later and I still use this video for the 3rd time to swap my Thermal Paste on my XPS 9360. Thank you Greg!
love these experimental videos greg, been watching since 10,000 subs and its awesome to see how far you have come! Keep up the awesome work!!
Burton Kozsey Thanks for watching!
I managed a stable -140 mV undervolt on my XPS. It helped quite a bit. The temperatures reach Tmax, but when the fans kick in, it stabilizes at around 86 C.
Good thermal paste can make all the difference. It's all I did to repair my father's Toschiba. It was loud as hell and freezing all the time while he was gaming. Just some cleaning and changing paste made it running both quiet and stable.
"What do you expect"
I expect a machine I spend heaps of money on not to shut down for doing what it's built to do.
I used to render videos on my laptop a couple years back, some renders would take 20 hours (because my laptop was a piece of crap) and I remember opening it up for the first time and looking at the internals. I didn't realize how hot it would get until now. The entire metal frame was burnt and discolored. That's when I decided to move on the to the PC master race.
JDTechGear wow.... 20 hours straight? What laptop is that?
desktop PC *cringes* will never come back to that.
Dude someone that uses a laptop is A part of pc masterrace
But he is not if he uses a Mac cuz thats not pc thats a mac
U are Just a pc fanboy that's Just mocking laptop users
do undervolting aswell. i have about 70° with thermal paste and -0.100v under full load(xps15)
Great vid. Simple trick to lower the temps. Better than the bulky external fan crap that reduces 1-2' c
Thanks to your concise, and no bull**** video, I got a 10 degree Celsius drop from 96 to 86 max running on AIDA64 for 6 minutes on my GL502VSK i7-7700HQ and 1070 GTX. I repasted after 3 years and the old paste was definitely dry. I used the new Noctua NT-H2 and I love it. I applied "X" on GPU and "line" on CPU.
Replacing thermal paste helps, but undervolting is much more significant. Ive dropped crazy amount of heat from my GL502VS just by using both replacing the thermal paste and undervolting CPU/GPU (from 90ish to 60-70ish). I dunno why but it also increases the overall stability (0 fps spikes that Ive seen before) and performance (I can hit 120 FPS in Witcher 3, only 89 fps max before). It is worth the effort guys, trust me
I actually did this recently on an old dualcore laptop.. I also blew out the fan with a compressor and I went from about 85C down to 65-75C :) Can't believe how much dust the fan had picked up :)
Thanks Bro! I just followed the video and repaste my laptop after changing the battery for the second time and it has never been quieter! You're the best!
you can also undervolt with XTU and get better battery life.
Also can inspect the cooling fan, vents or grills, & any airflow restrictions. Thanks Greg 🤓
Awesome! You can also turn down the voltage using the intel extreme tuning utility which also helps with thermals quite a bit.
Just did this on my laptop and cpu temps dropped by 12-15 celcius -> No more throttling while gaming.
I was meaning to do it for awhile but seeing your video sparked my inspiration do finally do it, so I must thank you!
I have a 4.5 year old Dell Vostro
for which I have been considering this same action.
My temps had been running in the 135-150 range (Fahrenheit, not C... ).
But by using "SpeedFan" to jack the pwm up to 100% (~5100 rpm)
I got literally a 35-40 degree improvement...
so... I may still try this maintenance step.
I suspect the TIM on mine is in no better shape!
Thanks for the demo of yours.
great video! dell changed my motherboard and now it runs more hot. I was on the edge of changing the thermal compound my self. I will do that as soon as possible now !
Thank you for making this video! I have an ACER ASPIRE 4730Z that has been notorious for overheating. A friend cleaned cooling fan, cleaned thermal paste, applied Arctic Silver thermal paste, installed brand new mainboard and I bought an Xpad. So hopefully it will run cooler--I'll let you know. Can't wait to try AIDA64.
I also have a DELL LATITUDE E6410 and the avg temp for CPU under 100% load was 82.1C after 2:00
You could also disassemble the box in which fan lives, clean it up, and add a spit of lubricant (i actually used a sun oil that most people have on their kitchen) between connection of the fan and a base it sits on. In my case i've achieved zero throttling, temps around 70 under load, and pretty much no noise, compared to terrible buzzing and reduced performance to around 50%.
I have the same laptop and i did the same thing but i also bought some thin thermal pads and placed them on the heat pipe assembly as well as the ssd. This conducts even more heat away from the cpu and puts it into the aluminum housing. Under load my max cpu temp is 76c, the bottom of the laptop does get a little hotter but i dont mind because i rarely ever place it directly on my lap anyways (gotta protect my boys). Haha great video as always.
My housing is plastic, it already gets hot, conducting heat to it could destroy it.
Thanks, Greg, this works fine for my Dell M3800. Before I replace the thermal compound, the CPU temperature is about 80c, after the replacement, it's about 55c±.
Great Video Greg, i did this and got good results. But how about liquid metal? Can i put it in my laptop? Will it get me better results?
I agree with the thermal compound amount. A little too much is far and away more safe than not using enough, especially if you are applying directly to the CPU or GPU die.
That reminds me of my ancient FSC laptop, where the thermal compound got so old and dry, that the heatsink of the GPU got pushed out of its place, leaving a hole in the mainboard where one of the screws used to be. Interestingly though it was still operational and a good clean, new thermal compound and a bit of hot glue got it to work until today, although being pretty useless without drivers for anything newer than Windows XP.
To complete the task you need to actually tear down the fan assembly aswell because there is guaranteed amount of dust and wool balls blocking the airflow. However in this case the fins come of with the heatpipe/block assembly so not necessary in this case. However Acer and Asus uses fin stack attached to fan assembly and that way you need to remove pretty much everything.
I have also found out that using laptop 1-3h a day about 5 days a week trough out the year will cause the fan assembly to get full of dust and requires cleaning and which worries me people do not do that.
What Laptop Were You Wasing>?!
I've seen the Dell XPS line used a few different times to showcase the improved performance from reapplying the thermal paste yourself. I wonder if this kinda thing is Dell specific or if most other windows laptops have this problem. I have a XPS 9350 myself and will definitely be taking a look in there.
I have built many pcs. Played with thermal paste and such... I don't understand why I never thought of this for a laptop. Nice work brain!
Going to do this now for my uni laptop! Silence ftw!
I highly recommend you look up for a tear down video on youtube for your own specific laptop model. I helped my cousin to dismantled his alienware laptop just to clean the fans and heatsinks. It was a nightmare. We had to remove everything, including the keyboard just to reach the fans. So having a video to know how to take it apart is very useful.
This _totally_ works for MacBooks...
This is still doable on MacBooks, though harder. Check out Quin from Snazzy Lab's video on the subject (specifically geared towards MacBooks).
Very hard for a noob, though I still managed it. Things like the glued in microphone just trying to catch one out! No fun. My new XPS 15 is incredibly simple ahhhhhhh
oh, "cool" video greg..hah?hah?anyone?
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The HP Probook 450 is a total pain in the butt to take apart. Did the same thing - cleaned it (wasn't THAT dirty to begin with), changed the thermal compound and put it back together. Even with a youtube video showing how to take this model apart it was still time consuming and nerve wrecking at times.
I guess other manufacturers have better built laptop chassis.
Cool hack for the 13 XPS.. stick 2 thermal strips (one on each run of heat pipe) then pop the back back on.
Hey Science, would you recommend undervolting? Responsibly ofc.
Sweet! I just had to get down to my motherboard to actually change the thermal compound. Thank you HP ProBook 4530s for delighting me with a mere hour of work (and another one and a half for cleaning the dust out)! I actually had fun besides my sarcastic note, but damn, it took a while to get the job done. (which actually felt like almost one whole hour, which proves i had a lot of fun)
I have the xps 13 - I did repaste it, but what actually lowered my temps more was to undervolt it! You should do the same test but with undervolting. It lowered my max temps with 10c and idle with 5c
yup!
I would add an extra trick I picked up. Using intel XTU, I undervolted my XPS 15 processor by 150mV. This removed any thermal throttling issues I encountered in the past without impacting performance. Apparently, it is standard for Dell to feed more power than required to the CPU "just in case".
Long->Short; cooler, quicker, worse battery, and very hot exhaust under heavy use.
Short->Long;
Did that on my Yoga 2 Pro a few months after i got it, but i used Liquid Ultra and some normal paste around it on the chip (not on the die) to prevent the Liquid Ultra from shorting something out. First thing i noticed is that it never drops out of turbo boost under normal use, or even moderately heavy use. Second thing i noticed was that it never got noticeably warm anymore. Although the exhaust went from warm to uncomfortably hot. Last thing i noticed was that because it staying in Turbo Boost the battery would drain quicker if i was doing moderately heavy tasks.
I saw one of these videos that went that extra step. The thermal paste was cleaned off and re applied but a thermal pad was placed on the heat pipes. This seemed to be a very effective fix
Good choice, noctua is the best for me! I tried other thermal pastes but nothing is like the noctua NT-H1.
I never seen a UA-camr who is more active in the comments section than " Science StudioYT" you really show that you care about your subscribers and viewers 😄😄😄. You literally love every comment and reply to all the questions 😊.
Greg do a follow up video by undervolting the CPU! I did it in my XPS 15 and it helped my cpu temps a lot!
DynamicHunter Your 15 isn't running an ULP CPU. Effects on this end will be minimal.
@@GregSalazar what are you talking about? Undervolting is ESPECIALLY helpful on H series CPU-s, which usually have way too much voltage pumped into them compared to ULV CPU-s. Most of i7 6700hq-s are capable of whapping -0.1 volts, which decreases power by around 20 % and as a result gives noticeably lower temps. I undervolted my 8750h by -130mv(fully stable) and I get -10 degree drop in CPU intensive games. And GPU undervolting helped by around 3-4 degrees as well. Far more effective than repasting in more than 90% of cases.
Me too, it helps greatly avoiding power limit throttling with my i7-7700HQ. (-135mv)
Hmmm... I have that same laptop, XPS 13 9343. Thinking about doing this since I already need a new battery due to water damage. Might as well put in some after market thermal paste while I'm at it, especially since my warranty just expired and it's so easy to do.
About to get an XPS 15 and I'll definitely think about doing this, Thanks!
Eric Sell Thanks for watching!
That laptop is so simple to disassemble. I'll do the same with mine one of these days when I have so free time. It's a Lenovo G580 and from the guides I've looked up it seems a lot more complicated to disassemble. I think I'll have to replace the bottom panel too because the part where the left hinge screws on to it is cracked.
Should have undervolted as well. A .02% or less GHz drop is worth the 15-20 degree drop
Thumbs up for the Noctua Paste .I love that stuff and it performs great.
thanks for the tip. I could easily cool my food below it.
Just undervolt your laptop with ThrottleStop. I'm running at a constant overall 75°c down from 85°c-90°c while gaming and 34°c while browsing and doing other stuffs
too bad i use a u-chip and lost the silicon lottery so any undervolting crashes it immediately
This was helpful. Think I’ll try this with my XPS
Great video! Now I only need the thermal compound!
I like the sound panels. I'd like to get someone for one wall to stop sound from going into the bedroom
After this video I decided to give it a try with my 5 years old Dell Vostro 3750. It's been overheating for a while now and hitting 95C at 30% of usage....and throttling. I didn't expect a lot of differance but...
20C drop at iddle, 30C drop at load!!!
WTF!
Thank you for the idea :D. I really didn't that changing thermal compound would give such a differance!
Great video Greg. I was expecting something like 5-7 degrees improvement or the same temps but no thermal throttling... but 10 degrees AND no thermal throttling ? That's very significant.
What kind of cheap crap is Dell using ?
It's not like thermal compound is that expensive...
My Lenovo let's its fans ramp up immediately when stressed, never saw temps going above 67°C when stressed, it's just an i5 7200U but that's still nice, I undervolted it to -0.1 V and it now has a max temp of 60°C and it's quiter. I'll definitely put some quality thermal paste in there later, should run even cooler.
Omg just think what a massive headache you would get from trying to figure out the screw tightness issue on your own, like you would legit NEVER think of it.
In Norway we open a Window for extra cooling which also provides better reaction times in games.
Great video. I am curious why your laptop didn't post the first time you did this? Did you potentially fracture some solder balls between the CPU and PCB when over-tightened the screws? Did the CPU make contact with the motherboard again when you loosened the screws?
Just did this on mine tonight. Cleaned all the dust out, installed an SSD, replaced the thermal compound. Boom.
I wish I would have taken a base line temperature, but hey, I figured why not while I was in there.
I also pulled and reinstalled one of the RAM modules for kicks and giggles... Then had no display after I closed it up. I opened it back up, was pulling my hair out, tried to boot without the heat sink (thinking I had too much thermal paste or too tight of screws on the block.) Pulled the CMOS battery, decided to pull that RAM stick out and it boots. No idea what happened to the RAM but it won't boot with that stick in. 😥 Cut my RAM in half because of... I just have to take things apart.
Also use XTU to fine tune how low you can tune the core voltage. That alone can seriously free up 10c.
Clean the fan and heatsink area with compressed air or a small brush
with new thermal paste
sometime a small undervolt help too.
and a good cleaning.
(by the way take care it has no diamond in the thermal paste or any other abrasive that could kill the die.
Very well presented, I've been recommended to give this process a go by a friend who also had similar issues with throttling. I will be following along when my thermal past arrives in the mail!
You should try undervolting. Helped me a lot
for mGPUs it it very effective to replace thermal pads with a copper shim. it reduced my temps about 20°C (ThinkPad T60 / ATI X1400)
so I've replaced my stock thermal paste with arctic mx and it did work wonders for a few months. And i replace it every now and then, every couple months. Now my temps are no longer as they were. Meaning, the thermal paste change no longer has the same average thermal reduction i used to get after the first time i replaced my stock paste. Now I've undervolted my cpu. It worked... for a time. And then temps started rising again. Even with the undervolt AND new thermal paste
Hey guy like the video I am going to do this to my Dell pretty soon. Also video idea try to undervolt it and compare the temps to what you were getting before. I have undervolted my dell and it now will run at 3.5Ghz constant.My dell is the 7000 inspiron13in i7. It is worth a try at the very least.
I just changed out the thermal compound on my new 2-in-1... 5-6 degree C drops! Not too shabby
Best temps you will get is to use Coollaboratory Liquid Pro (as long as heatsink isnt aluminum). Will decrease temps by 10-20C. Best stuff you can get. Only caveat is that you NEED TO INSULATE THE STUFF IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE CPU DIE! (it is liquid metal so highly conductive.) i did it to my laptop CPU as well as my GPU on computer. Works AMAZINGLY WELL!!!!! just put some vasaline or electrical tape around the die and youre good to go.
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Wow I did it on my XPS 13 as well and the difference is astonishing! Thank you and fuck the dell gunk!!! I used some cheap EK Ectotherm thermal compound btw.
i just found this video because my xps 9560 is running quite hot and i never thought of the thermal glue...will try this in the upcoming week when my thermal paste arrives. thanks!
andrei ioan any updates.? I do also have 9550 and now fan is always on due to heating
@@SirAguilera i see a significant improvement! i didn't run any tests or measure any temperatures (lazy) but under the same loads the laptop runs quieter and colder (to the touch). good luck with yours!
This is a great video. Did you also do a video about undervolting?
My 14 inch Gigabyte p34w v4 has a 5600HQ @3.5Ghz and a 970m. My max temps are 92 dregrees on the CPU and 86 degrees Celsius on the GPU with stock paste. I replaced my thermal paste and cleaned the fans of any dust and other "gunk". No much change to the load temps but its quite a bit quieter gaming and silent at idle or web browsing.
Thing is, chips without an IHS can have a little more thermal compound, at least, that's what I understood from a few other channels.
I recently swapped out thermal compound + undervolted the CPU of a 2013 MSI gaming notebook, temps dropped by 15°C under load and by 8-10°C in idle.
Loved the vid. Definitely gonna do this when I get my Dell 7567
Did I forget something?
1. Reapplying Thermal Paste
2. Removing dust.
3. Changing Power Plan. You can cap for example CPU usage at max 75%
4. Undervolting CPU. All CPUs tend to get more volt than needed to work properly
Check on google for tools. Some laptops will permit to do so through BIOS.
5. Downclocking CPU in extreme cases where temperature are out of hand.
6. Buying thermal pad and applying inside the laptop can help sometime.
7. Cooling Pads
8. Avoid putting the laptop on tissue or anything that accumulates thermal temperature.
The single best thing you can do to stop your CPU killing itself in this case is switch off turbo boost.
You gain more heat than performance in most real world testing.
When I brought my Xeon (Dell Precision 5510) back down to 2.8 and left it there, heat went right fown along with it. The chip went from throttling after about 10m of CFD load (yeh, I know... CFD on a laptop... I hang my head in shame...) to being stable at low to mid 70s (with an appropriate vented riser!) for days, up to even a week at a time.
I'm expecting another 5 degree drop at most from switching to AS5, MX-4 or NT-H1, but I don't think that'll be enough to stop 'er throttling with turbo boost back on. The heatsink just isn't big enough.
The funny thing is I've actually gained speed (overall) by stopping the chip going down to 2.2GHz or less when it throttles, instead running at a stable 2.8. I'd imagine this would translate to very consistent (albeit a bit lower) frame rates in gaming too
I like your new static mat where did you find it?
can you do a channel update video explaining your new workflow and office now that you are doing UA-cam full time?
great video as usual
nt-h1 is my go to thermal compound, good choice :)
Hey greg I've been looking at getting a high end laptop for a while and was concerned about thermals. I like your idea of adding thermal paste but the whole idea of taking apart a laptop gives me anxiety. I've built a computer before but laptops seen like a whole different world. If you can give some advice of working with laptops, I'll appreciate it very much. Not just thermal paste but upgrading ram etc. Again, thanks, and great video!
Edit: What I mean is, would you recommend messing with a laptop if you're inexperienced.
samin amanat My advice for disassembling a laptop for the first time is grab a tech PDF off the company's website. That usually, but not all the time, has disassembley instructions contained within. As your taking your laptop apart, TAKE PLENTY OF PICS!. They will prove to be invaluable to you if you get a bit confused. Last point, Don't sweat it. Laptops today are much more simple in their construction as to the ones 15- 20 years ago. They really are very hard to mess up. In conclusion, ...... Dude, you got this!
Credible Witness thanks
my hp laptop heats to 101c on full load...
Hey Greg, nice video! Have you tested fan banks like what Cooler Master makes in the form of the MasterNotepal Maker? I currently use this with my current Dell laptop and my temperatures are pretty chilly for a laptop (never get above 74C). This was after replacing the thermal compound like you did.
Well, I have both the skylake XPS 13 and the 2016 MBP. The XPS has to be used on flat surfaces otherwise my junk gets cooked, the MBP on the other hand get's barely warm. Dell totally failed with the cooling on their XPS line. You just can't have the grill on the bottom, it's a LAPtop FFS.
Definitely have to be cautious with bare dies and heat sinks. Over tightening or not using a cross pattern can easily crack or outright crush the die.
cracklingice I crossed and tightened to the same degree it originally was. No idea why it failed.
I was speaking more towards anyone looking to do this than to you. Didn't remember hearing you mention to take the precautions due to the lack of heatspreaders on mobile chips.
Great video! I wonder if I can do this with my Razer blade stealth? It thermal throttles at idle.