Hashasins are real fun to play on Lan. I made a battle with a friend in wich i hid 4 upgraded Hashasins in the flank and in the middle of the battle when he though he was winning the Plot twist was real Xd
Ran a French army with half peasant, half really upgraded knights and it worked well. Peasants are just to bother and soak fire, bonus quest is to get as many killed as possible and still win.
The amount of people that keep insisting all these 2 handed units are good scares me. I mean you can believe what you like, you have that freedom. But you are all wrong.
that's why I just stopped responding to "what about gothic Knights?" Because I have explained myself like 30 times already. XP You should check out the top ten archer comments lol
***** I'm pretty sure it's not a bug, because they're still horrible in Kingdoms. What they're good at is charging and only charging. They're like heavy cavalry, just in infantry form. And just like heavy cavalry, they will suck in a prolonged melee. I guess their perk is that they're not vulnerable to spears and pikes and are less fragile than heavy cavalry? And they're ofcourse massively powerful against cavalry.
Serge Hamelberg Play Stainless steel, Cavalry,pikeman and 2handed units is fixed in this mod, Pikemen's will not change the pikes to swords when they hit the first line of the enemy, they will keep the pikes until you order them to Disable the Special Order, the 2handed units are one of the bests infantry in the game, the gothics is the best infantry in the game, the second is English Kingsmen (2handed), and cavalry will not Die quickly against light or heavy infantry, Bodyguards is the strongest Units in the game but you can't charge against spearmen's or pikemen's. The Best mod for Medieval 2
In the campaign, I think the English armoured swordsmen are the most cost-effective heavy infantry. They are basically dismounted chivalric knights, only with a very cheap 150 upkeep as opposed to the usual 225 that other European nations must pay for the same quality. Also, the Moorish and Iberian sword militia are really cheap medium infantry that can finish off dismounted knights that have taken a pounding by crossbow fire
The 2-handed " bug" isn't a bug. The animation for 2-handed attacks was purposely made slower. It was changed in Kingdoms, so 2-handed units would lose to much cheaper units, but it wasn't a glitch, just a poor design decision.
you guys forgot one badass thing about conquistadores when you get there armour upgrade they appear in neat looking full plate armour :P sad in campaign you need to be in the americas to get em and in the americas campaign there only 60 per unit on huge
Obviously the timing you go to America and the limit you have to recruit them only there while historically they moved from Europe to America, means that the developers raised their statistics too much to handle vast native American armies, in Europe they probably are close to Sword and Buckler Men in matter of worth, having them in Europe could fuck the game play
wrong spelling by the developers.Its Latinikon, it means Latin or Latinic(like Germanic or Turkic), they are Latin mercenaries of the Roman empire fighting in their knight fashion that the Romans initially lacked...
Sto_Karfi! Latinikon was western mercenaries, same as Feudal Knights, the word means “Latin” and it is a great unit, I have used them with the Varangians and I have defeat most of my enemies
Armoured Swordsmen have cheaper upkeep than Chivalric Knights though, 150 instead of 225. (of course that doesn't matter online but on the campaign it gives them an edge)
Very much so. At that point, the only Dismounted Feudals worth keeping are the high-experience units. Otherwise, it’s best to phase out the Feudals and replace them with Armoured Swords.
They were very awesome royal guards. When William the Conqueror became King of England, many Saxon Huscarls fled and join the Byzantine empire as Varangian Guard. Harold Hardrada was also part of the Varangian Guard before he became King of Norway and he was defeated at the battle of Stanford Bridge in 1066.
Chivalric Knights are very useful because of their ability to hold their ground for a long time. Them being at fourth place is pleasing to me. Good video as always.
Yes, Moorish Dismounted Christian guard are really solid. Venetian heavy guard are just fantastic, except for one problem - their morale. They are great if the battle goes their way, and they are marvelous at making it go their way, but they can rout pretty quick if it suddenly gets tough. They also have real trouble against fear causing enemies. Great video, but there was one that should have been right up there, and it is my number 1 - that is the Aventuros of Portugal. Let your castles build up, get these early, and you can just win the game no trouble. Great against melee, even better against cavalry, superb for defence, excellent for attack and controlling the battlefield. If you need them to move fast, stop the pike wall and charge them, their attack is very nice. They vastly outperform so many infantry, and they have the pikes. Of course double stack them with the back unit always using pikes and they never lose. Get them 1 armour upgrade and they are crazy tough. They are somewhat expensive to recruit, but their upkeep is quite low (and below feudal knights which they outperform and mounted knights which they butcher). Meaning you can have whole armies of them before the mid game. Cav factions can't best you, infantry factions are slaughtered on the pikes, your castles can't be taken if you hold the choke points with Aventuros pikes. wiki.totalwar.com/w/Aventuros_%28M2TW_unit%29 Thank you for your video guys!
This is a cool list. But as far as infi goes I prefer the highland nobles (one cause I'm of Scottish descent) mostly because of they're killing animation where they sweep someone's legs out from them then land the blow. Though I find it a shame Scotland's units are generally the weakest considering that the highlanders especially are built pretty damn big
aceofaces18 combine them with noble pikemen or just normal highland pikemen and you have a super powerful and incredbly cheap army. The swordsmen are protected by the pikes and the swordsmen deal the damage. Works better with noble pikemen cause they have armor but the regular highlander pikes can also deal massive damage if used properly
Yeah i've been doing that i've even put the noble swordsmen to use as human shields to protect my archers because they have superior defense to most other units. I once fought a battle 1300+(england) vs 900+ (me) i think my formations saved the battle XD
Yeah, Scotland was bullshit in this game. "You don't get any decent heavy infantry or cavalry and shit archers, but how about some pikes that don't fucking work?"
Tell me about it, I played as portugese and I charge their pikemen almost head on with feudal knights and they start to route, strange considering by the historical accuracies, the scotish pikemen should be savages
The whole video i was wondering if the Venetian dream wreckers would make the list, was tickled to see them make number 1. They are without a doubt my favorite part of playing as Venice, so damn effective. God has a hard on for Venetian Heavy Infantry because they kill everything they see. He plays his games and they play theirs. To show their appreciation for so much power they keep heaven packed with fresh souls.
Though definitely not top ten material. It has been my experience that Denmark's Dismounted Huscarls should be worthy of honorable mention. Just my opinion. Thanks for all the cool videos. Keep up the good work.
I tested the Christian Guard vs. every faction's top heavy infantry. The conditions were simple, both sides had 1 unit, and no armour, weapon, or exp. upgrades. Both sides charged on even terrain. The Christian Guard wiped the floor with all of them. The closest fight was against the Venetian Heavy Infantry, but only because the Venetian Heavy Infantry got a lot of kills right off the bat from their charge, then they lost just as badly as any other elite infantry unit. Clearly this is a very specific context, 1v1 best heavy infantry unit. Edit: I was able to get the Dismounted Conquistadors to beat them by four men. They have about the same stats on paper.
The only difference between Conquistadors and the Christian Guard besides the possible armor upgrade for the Conquistadors is their discipline. Conquistadors have low discipline. That means their morale gets effected more by things that happen around like the loss of their general or flanking hostile charges. In my personal experience a healthy unit of 30 Conquistadors routed because they lost their general and got some Naffatun Bombs in their faces and they were not even surrounded. Christian Guard on the other hand are "disciplined" so they will hold their own most of the time.
The shove mechanic does nerf them bad but they can still hold the line. Majority of your battles are fought with archers included so two handed units can keep the enemy in place (even if they can't kill them) while your archers or cavalry finished them off.
Make sure you guys note that this is for online battles only. Some of these units are shite in singleplayer due to their much higher upkeep, for example armoured swordsmen have 150 upkeep while chivalric/polish knights have 225 which is obviously much higher.
Darth Panzer True, the Dismounted Gothic Knights are pretty cool looking. They remind me of the Ritterbruder from the Teutonic campaign, very stylish looking unit.
Ronan Slevin Yep Ritterbruder are the shayt!They are like armored devils, the reason why i prefer the Gothic knights is because they have plate armor, but I've seen fanart of Teutonic Gothic Knights.Pretty cool.
The Varangians are the best for flanking an enemy and destroying his army, if you ask me, France and the Byzantine Empire are the best nations, especially in an all-period match.
Karaus There is so much more to the units than defence. Venetian Heavy infantry have armour piercing attack, so any defence due to armour is halved. Also, the charge bonus adds to the Venetians already brutal attack. The Hashashim only have half as many men in their units.
Karaus The fact that they have less soldiers is important, because it means that there are two soldiers attacking each Hashashim, and damage is only done if they complete the attacking animation, which can be interrupted by other soldiers attacking them. They're also 840 florins or something.
I did some quick testing, and I found that Russia's dismounted Druzina and Boyar Sons both beat HRE's dismounted imperial knights but lose slightly to Feudal Knights. They have better attack and much better morale compared to the imperial knights at the cost of a little defense, but they're not even given an honorable mention here. The one thing that holds them back is their cost I would say, as they're even more expensive than Feudal Knights. Still, Russia's best infantry all have armor piercing. I think too many people just write them off as a pure cavalry faction. Also, I think you're overrating Imperial Knights a little... Dismounted Dvor (a bow unit) will beat them in a melee.
daz bones I agree about the Dismounted Imperial Knights. But what ruins Dismounted Druzina and Boyar sons, alongside their cost, is their rubbish morale. I cannot trust them to hold a line, which is where I need my heavy infantry. Spending 600+ on heavy infantry is pointless for them when I can spend 300 and get better/upgrade my cavalry.
Oh wow, thanks for the response. I kind of wonder now since Dismounted Druzina, Boyar Sons, and Feudal Knights all have the same tag "Good Morale" in their description, but it's also true that Feudal Knights have the better morale in a fight: Is this better morale due to a different "morale value" in the code designing the units, or do they have the same starting morale but feudal knights have a better defense value so they don't die as quickly and thus don't lose morale as quickly?
daz bones I cannot access the total war honga but that gives a lot of detailed stats for units. But I have a feeling that your latter statement was probably closer to the truth. Units that die quickly lose morale from sustaining losses in a short span of time.
Any unit with two handed weapons are designed with cavalry in mind. They are meant to destroy cavalry. Sword & shield units are meant for other infantry. Cavalry’s purpose is to flank and destroy archers and artillery, and then hit engaged infantry in the back & rout them.
So says every military manual in history. Now try that in M2tw and see how quickly your infantry (everything but pike men) disintegrate to a frontal cavalry charge.
I do that in every battle and it works out perfectly. And those units with two handed weapons aren’t working alone either. They have a support group of friendly cavalry and archers.
Apollo you got to do these lists for the expansions, at least the Crusaders and the Teutonic. gotta know how those new troops rank, especially since the 2Handed glitch is not as pronounced or nullified.
Capitalist Manifesto Not realy canons Of The Holy Sepulcher (probably speling wrong) are not tbat good plus this is vanila.And in a vanila perpective hasasim can beat venetian heavy or conquistador
Venetian heavy infantry are very good counters to dismounted knights. Plus the fully upgraded 'advanced plate' of dismounted broken lances looks amazing. A shame they lack the morale and attack superiority of standard knights. What about spearmen though? The Ottoman dismounted Siphais lancers are good cavalry counters. Personally I found pikemen to be extremely underwhelming compared to how deadly they actually were in the late medieval/Renaissance period
Pikemen are ok if you can support them. The main issue with them is a design flaw in the game that has them drop their pikes and pull out swords when they are touched by an enemy model. Spearmen in general are inferior to heavy infantry. Even against cavalry they are pretty underwhelming unless they are in schiltron or the cavalry charge is disrupted. I believe someone mentioned to me that they have a hidden stat that gives them a penalty against infantry. Their argument was that town militia being "light infantry" actually makes them better at fighting the spear militia.
you need to build hashashim guild, only available with Muslim factions (egypt, moors, turks) and Hungarians can have hashashim guild but they have battlefield assassins, similar to hashashim but weaker, you can build hashashim guild only in cities, you need to wait until it pops out in begining of the turn, when information says that guild is available to build, and you should wait until hashashim guild pops out to be available to build, you should cancel all others, but if you build inns and upgrade them and build assassins and and if you killed someone with assassins you get guild points so you will get chance to build guild earlier...you need 100 build points for hashashim guild, for example, if you build 1 assassin you get 10 points, for successful assassination you get 20 points but for failed assassination you lose 20 points so use quicksave before trying to assassinate somebody, and buildings give you i think 20 points for each upgrade....i hope it helps
I never understood why the conquistadores had such good stats and could stand up to other heavy infantry even though they were only fighting naked native Americans. Also the Christian guard does poorly when they attack feudal knights which was disappointing but a fantastic unit in siege defences. Great list by the way will it be cav and skirmishers next?
I think its because they are the most advanced infantry unit in the game. I never really saw any issues with christian Guard against feudals. Cav will be next! Thanks for watching!
As here is full of MTW 2 fans, I can maybe use this opportunity to find an answer to a question I have since 5 years. I remember that 10-15 years ago I played a version of MTW in which it was possible to assassinate own units, force incest marriage, discover incest marriage in another state and cause rebellion there. Furthermore while playing with Turks at hardest level there was always this civil war between brothers and I had to pick a side, when the other became rebels (Hated it because you lost many regions at once). For good trade income, you had to secure sea with your fleet as well. Does anyone know the name of that MTW version and probably where I can find it?
Upkeep is important to me at least. I used to like the English armored swordsmen with their 150 upkeep per turn that's almost as cheap as a spear militia unit; and stats about the same as dismounted feudal knights
I’m sorry I’m so late but I can’t stand when people play these types of games and misuses the units that are available. For instance those two handed swords and pole arms, and heavy bills where used mainly in the high periods to to the late periods especially in Pike and Shot formations. You simply cannot pit a two handed swordsman against a swordsman unit with a shield 🛡️ they will always lose. Always! These type of units are supposed to be used for supporting the infantry fight on the flanks with a good charge or whenever cav gets involved that cav unit is static into the fight the two handed units flank those horses with a devastating charge attack from the flanks as you would against infantry. This is where they will get their worth and their kills. I’ve made French and Holy Roman imperial Pike and Shot formations so deadly it’s heart wrenching. Venice, Portugal and Spain are also deadly with those formations. England is a tad bit different but creative! I use my Arquebus in the front, Longbows in the back after a already placed stakes in front of my gunners. I then take my Heavy Billman in place them in between both of those units and on the flanks of my gunners. I also have my cav on the Flanks with some Culverins and some mortar support. A lightly armored army but significantly deadly.
Idk why you mixed noble Swordsmen with chivalry, Scotland noble Swordsmen can easily defeat chivalry,Christan guard,and all others, if you don't believe me try it yourself
About Venetian heavy infantry. You don’t use them in the same way as you would use a unit of conquistadores. They are a prime example of a shock troop that actually works, in this game. The scenario where you want conquistadores is for a fight location where you can’t support them with anything else, such as a breach or a battle for the walls. In those situations their superior stats just let them out grind the enemy, allowing them to accrue that monstrous value. Venetian heavy infantry plays differently. They don’t want to grind, they want to hit key areas of the battle and turn the tide of battle quickly, fighting against other armored infantry. Their attack might be a little overturned but they are a very well made unit overall as it takes skill to use them well.
Boyar Sons are interesting, because if you give them their armour upgrade, then they’ll beat Feudal Knights and Imperial Knights, they’ll even consistently beat Imperial Knights even if you also give the Imperial Knights an armour upgrade. And considering that your only other choice is Dismounted Druzhina, which are pretty much just the same unit, they’re not that bad.
Why didn't they give Portugal Sword and Buckler men? I think Spain and Portugal would still be balanced, due to the tercio pikes and portugese arquebus
There's this one unit in the Gold edition for the Medieval 2 Crusade mode, two handed swordsmen at around 1000 florins absolutely slapping Venetian Heavy Infrantry in 2v1 1100 florins going up against 1200 florins worth of venetian infantry is pretty clear cut. Base game Venetian Heavy Infantry slapp everything
dismounted conquistador/dismounted christian guard are definitely top 1/2, venetian heavy comes next, then janissary heavy comes next, rest of the infantry are insignificant. my list is only true under condition that both infantry charge against each other in an even battle. Other factors such as money is not accounted for here. and i did ****load of tests to get my result....
You make a mistake you forgot Jannisaries . They are on second place. They are stronger then conquistadores . Only Venetian Heavy infantry can beat Janisaries.
if you have this game plase try ''jannisary heavy infantry vs venetian heavy infantry'' and see the result, you can come back to this video and click the dislike button :)
Странно что есть всякие табарды и варанги, но нет хускарлов/дружины/спешенных боярских детей и янычар с алебардами, которые их убьют, янычары то еще и эффективнее против кавалерии, за счет чего явно лучший юнит с двуручным оружием...
Where is the Highland Nobles? I know that they are a bunch of weaklings once heavy cavalry rushed in but they are perfect against literally other infantries.
You talk about a bug, but dont tell what the bug is...or what they beat in 1v1 and what they lose to in 1v1 - like you need 2 of a to kill 1 of b unit. Strong aginst, weak against etc.
Hashasins are real fun to play on Lan.
I made a battle with a friend in wich i hid 4 upgraded Hashasins in the flank and in the middle of the battle when he though he was winning the Plot twist was real Xd
Cahzinar X yes
No, if you get close to then they get revealed
Mestrehunter
Thats why you don't let them get to close.
Clearly, peasants are the best.
Legend won a lot of battles with them
@@ryuutohazame3349 TheLegend27?
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Legend of Total War
Ran a French army with half peasant, half really upgraded knights and it worked well. Peasants are just to bother and soak fire, bonus quest is to get as many killed as possible and still win.
@@ryuutohazame3349 that guy is a scam
The amount of people that keep insisting all these 2 handed units are good scares me. I mean you can believe what you like, you have that freedom. But you are all wrong.
that's why I just stopped responding to "what about gothic Knights?" Because I have explained myself like 30 times already. XP You should check out the top ten archer comments lol
I will, you have tempted me into joining this madness.
haha good
***** I'm pretty sure it's not a bug, because they're still horrible in Kingdoms. What they're good at is charging and only charging. They're like heavy cavalry, just in infantry form. And just like heavy cavalry, they will suck in a prolonged melee. I guess their perk is that they're not vulnerable to spears and pikes and are less fragile than heavy cavalry? And they're ofcourse massively powerful against cavalry.
Serge Hamelberg Play Stainless steel, Cavalry,pikeman and 2handed units is fixed in this mod, Pikemen's will not change the pikes to swords when they hit the first line of the enemy, they will keep the pikes until you order them to Disable the Special Order, the 2handed units are one of the bests infantry in the game, the gothics is the best infantry in the game, the second is English Kingsmen (2handed), and cavalry will not Die quickly against light or heavy infantry, Bodyguards is the strongest Units in the game but you can't charge against spearmen's or pikemen's.
The Best mod for Medieval 2
Best unit in the entire Total War series: The berserkers from the first Rome Total War, based solely on the sounds they make when they go berserk.
Haha I use my archers on em xD
Nah the flammable pigs
Yari Ashigaru are a close runner up if you ask me. Backbone of any army you field in shogun
In the campaign, I think the English armoured swordsmen are the most cost-effective heavy infantry. They are basically dismounted chivalric knights, only with a very cheap 150 upkeep as opposed to the usual 225 that other European nations must pay for the same quality. Also, the Moorish and Iberian sword militia are really cheap medium infantry that can finish off dismounted knights that have taken a pounding by crossbow fire
They’re also cheaper to recruit than the Feudal Knights, too. They didn’t mention that.
Yes, ridiculously so.
This.
Yep some troops and units are cost effective. It's just how you use em upgrades and experience helps make up for the lack of other things.
Yeah the sword militia kick ass always great to have in a garrison.
Did anyone notice that they spelled NOBLE wrong?
It's spelled NOBLE not NOBAL!
haha i saw that to
ITS FRENCH
WHO CARES
Kolo P not really... a noble in french is : un noble
Nope
The only unit scared me, was the canons of the holy sepulcher. Kickass unit, that can massacre anything front of them.
English Longbowman: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
well thats what flanking with light cavalry or cannons are for
@@ogladaczr.t.3168 (against ai). Stakes 360 degrees against horsies ...GG lol
@@ChrisZukowski88 how is there ppl still commenting this after 5 years? also medieval 2 mp seems to be dead
@@hanglei9865 nope
@@marcusaurelius1719 I can still play online battles in M2?
You know what ca needs to make Medieval 2 total war remastered
***** Who would not want medieval 3 or whatever (i would also enjoy to see a lord of the rings game somehow)
NO! They will ruin it completely, I promise you that.
Or Medieval TW 3...
On CA's current engine? Fuck no.
i actually liked napoleon, but everything after is utter shit
The 2-handed " bug" isn't a bug. The animation for 2-handed attacks was purposely made slower. It was changed in Kingdoms, so 2-handed units would lose to much cheaper units, but it wasn't a glitch, just a poor design decision.
Yeah, I remember The Canons of the Holy Sepuchler (probably spelt it wrong) from the antiochs being op af
+EdWart True story.
Demø - Bronze League Player yup
Especially as they (sort of) fixed two-handers
Favourite unit of the expansion. Probably form the whole franchise
you guys forgot one badass thing about conquistadores when you get there armour upgrade they appear in neat looking full plate armour :P sad in campaign you need to be in the americas to get em and in the americas campaign there only 60 per unit on huge
Obviously the timing you go to America and the limit you have to recruit them only there while historically they moved from Europe to America, means that the developers raised their statistics too much to handle vast native American armies, in Europe they probably are close to Sword and Buckler Men in matter of worth, having them in Europe could fuck the game play
What about the Papal Guard ?
Apollo you should make a new top units including the expansion units
Oof
The Americas Sword Militia/Bucklers/conquistadors/new world cuirassiers would dominate
Do you consider Latinkons the same thing as Feudal Knights?
They have the same stats but they cost more
wrong spelling by the developers.Its Latinikon, it means Latin or Latinic(like Germanic or Turkic), they are Latin mercenaries of the Roman empire fighting in their knight fashion that the Romans initially lacked...
Sto_Karfi! Latinikon was western mercenaries, same as Feudal Knights, the word means “Latin” and it is a great unit, I have used them with the Varangians and I have defeat most of my enemies
Irish Muire from the Britannia expansion. Insane attack and defence, two hit points, scare nearby enemies and tiny upkeep cost. They're just amazing.
Really good units
Armoured Swordsmen have cheaper upkeep than Chivalric Knights though, 150 instead of 225. (of course that doesn't matter online but on the campaign it gives them an edge)
Very much so. At that point, the only Dismounted Feudals worth keeping are the high-experience units. Otherwise, it’s best to phase out the Feudals and replace them with Armoured Swords.
varangian guard was actually an elite guard of the byzanyine empire that actually consisted of vikings(some varangian soldiers were mercs too)
They were very awesome royal guards. When William the Conqueror became King of England, many Saxon Huscarls fled and join the Byzantine empire as Varangian Guard. Harold Hardrada was also part of the Varangian Guard before he became King of Norway and he was defeated at the battle of Stanford Bridge in 1066.
yea they were great that is why they had their own town near the kings palace in the byzantine empire
@@CaptainInvisible1one of Harold's Brothers joined I think too
The bodyguards that actually didnt kill their emperor
The varangian guard also inspires nearby troops.They are great.
But still not worth it unless you use them on cavalry or against spearmen
I like how they say Polish Knights, but don't show Poland as a nation that can bring them. Where the love for my faction? Go Poland
Fuck Poland >:)
I really like the armored swordsmen for England. It takes SO much to bring them down and they just consume any unit you send them against.
Ben Smith Unless Conquistadores, Christian Guard or Venetian Heavy Infantry.
Varangian guards are the best !!!
Not anymore lol.
Chivalric Knights are very useful because of their ability to hold their ground for a long time. Them being at fourth place is pleasing to me. Good video as always.
Their one of the best.
Yes, Moorish Dismounted Christian guard are really solid. Venetian heavy guard are just fantastic, except for one problem - their morale. They are great if the battle goes their way, and they are marvelous at making it go their way, but they can rout pretty quick if it suddenly gets tough. They also have real trouble against fear causing enemies.
Great video, but there was one that should have been right up there, and it is my number 1 - that is the Aventuros of Portugal. Let your castles build up, get these early, and you can just win the game no trouble. Great against melee, even better against cavalry, superb for defence, excellent for attack and controlling the battlefield. If you need them to move fast, stop the pike wall and charge them, their attack is very nice. They vastly outperform so many infantry, and they have the pikes. Of course double stack them with the back unit always using pikes and they never lose. Get them 1 armour upgrade and they are crazy tough.
They are somewhat expensive to recruit, but their upkeep is quite low (and below feudal knights which they outperform and mounted knights which they butcher). Meaning you can have whole armies of them before the mid game. Cav factions can't best you, infantry factions are slaughtered on the pikes, your castles can't be taken if you hold the choke points with Aventuros pikes.
wiki.totalwar.com/w/Aventuros_%28M2TW_unit%29
Thank you for your video guys!
Conquistadors look like primitive mechs.
Hey, why from 11:00 u are talking among others about Polish Knights, but lower there is not Polish emblem but for example Danish???
Nobal knights. Great spelling guys.
This is a cool list. But as far as infi goes I prefer the highland nobles (one cause I'm of Scottish descent) mostly because of they're killing animation where they sweep someone's legs out from them then land the blow. Though I find it a shame Scotland's units are generally the weakest considering that the highlanders especially are built pretty damn big
aceofaces18 combine them with noble pikemen or just normal highland pikemen and you have a super powerful and incredbly cheap army. The swordsmen are protected by the pikes and the swordsmen deal the damage. Works better with noble pikemen cause they have armor but the regular highlander pikes can also deal massive damage if used properly
Yeah i've been doing that i've even put the noble swordsmen to use as human shields to protect my archers because they have superior defense to most other units. I once fought a battle 1300+(england) vs 900+ (me) i think my formations saved the battle XD
Yeah, Scotland was bullshit in this game.
"You don't get any decent heavy infantry or cavalry and shit archers, but how about some pikes that don't fucking work?"
Tell me about it, I played as portugese and I charge their pikemen almost head on with feudal knights and they start to route, strange considering by the historical accuracies, the scotish pikemen should be savages
The whole video i was wondering if the Venetian dream wreckers would make the list, was tickled to see them make number 1. They are without a doubt my favorite part of playing as Venice, so damn effective. God has a hard on for Venetian Heavy Infantry because they kill everything they see. He plays his games and they play theirs. To show their appreciation for so much power they keep heaven packed with fresh souls.
Though definitely not top ten material. It has been my experience that Denmark's Dismounted Huscarls should be worthy of honorable mention. Just my opinion. Thanks for all the cool videos. Keep up the good work.
Their ok, but against upgraded heavy inf. I'm sorry they can't put much of a fight.
7:06 JESUS CHRIST BE PRAISED!
It's actually pronounced "Taba-diarrhea" so plez learn
MY LIST
10.MEN AT ARMS
9.VARANGIAN GUARD
8.TABARDARIYYA
7.NOBLE KNIGHTS
6.ROYAL BENJARIHUM
5.IMPERIAL KNIGHTS
4.FEUDAL KNIGHTS
3.CHIVALRIC KNIGHTS
2.CONQUISTADORES
1.VENETIAN HEAVY INFANTRY.
PA can u make more top ten series for third age, crusades, and americas, etc.
For the Third age? There's too many units to compare and make a top ten. Their stats are hard to compare as some of their stats are really low.
Guys opinions about Croation axes?i love them personally 15attack 7defense 5, charge Armour piercing FOR 260 AND THEY ARE UPGRADEABLE low cost menaces
I tested the Christian Guard vs. every faction's top heavy infantry. The conditions were simple, both sides had 1 unit, and no armour, weapon, or exp. upgrades. Both sides charged on even terrain. The Christian Guard wiped the floor with all of them. The closest fight was against the Venetian Heavy Infantry, but only because the Venetian Heavy Infantry got a lot of kills right off the bat from their charge, then they lost just as badly as any other elite infantry unit. Clearly this is a very specific context, 1v1 best heavy infantry unit.
Edit: I was able to get the Dismounted Conquistadors to beat them by four men. They have about the same stats on paper.
The only difference between Conquistadors and the Christian Guard besides the possible armor upgrade for the Conquistadors is their discipline. Conquistadors have low discipline. That means their morale gets effected more by things that happen around like the loss of their general or flanking hostile charges. In my personal experience a healthy unit of 30 Conquistadors routed because they lost their general and got some Naffatun Bombs in their faces and they were not even surrounded. Christian Guard on the other hand are "disciplined" so they will hold their own most of the time.
+Knight Michaelion - Ours is the Fury Thank you for explaining that. It has always bugged me what the whole "Disciplined" stats were all about.
Captain Invisible Cheers mate!
+Knight Michaelion - Ours is the Fury i was about to mention that. 1. Morale 2. Discpline 3. AP 4. Shield 5. Charge.
Too bad that the Bardiche Axemen couldn't make it into the Top 10.
Still, a fair judgement.
I agree almost completely with the list, my only complaint being WHERE ARE THE NORSE AXEMEN?! -schoob
The two handed glitch is making two handed units not good. They are probably in the honorable mentions?
they loose badly against feudal knights
Portuguese dismounted knights is the unit that have more attack that is 21 like france and england
the best to me
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ThePirate0fJamaica what are you talking about?
oh damn I forgot them. Denmark has Chivalric Knights
i care about them :(
Pixelated Apollo I wouldn't say their days are over..... one day they will save us from Russia hehe
lol
i bet if the dismounted gothic Knights were trainable in the campaign you would include them in the list
Price per day is more important
varagian guard a: 20 d: 15 C:6
Tabardaryyia a: 20 d: 11 C:6
all you read is a lie!
my personal favourite are Danish Huscarls they are cheap and AP attacks can break any middle tear infantary
WAIT! Did you just put Duch eagle everywhere instead of Polish one? :F
I thought two-handed infantry weren't very good?
The shove mechanic does nerf them bad but they can still hold the line. Majority of your battles are fought with archers included so two handed units can keep the enemy in place (even if they can't kill them) while your archers or cavalry finished them off.
Venetian heavy infantry is very nice, yes, but don't have good morale like most of those units.
True, but 16 attack with 6 charge bonus and armour piercing could not care less XD.
5 charge bonus not 6.
Make sure you guys note that this is for online battles only. Some of these units are shite in singleplayer due to their much higher upkeep, for example armoured swordsmen have 150 upkeep while chivalric/polish knights have 225 which is obviously much higher.
*NOBAL*
ITS ACTUALLY *NOBLE*
apollo your wrong its actually *NOBLE* like nobal knights it supposed to be *NOBLE KNIGHTS*
i love the imperial knights
dis broken lances should have been in the top 5 clearly they are so cheap
But they don't match the online concept of being chosen as there could be much better units than broken lances.
Shouldn't the Zwei Hander of the The Holy Roman Empire be on this list. On the charge they are brutal as hell.
I think it should be the Dismounted Gothic knights!They are almost exactly the same unit as The Zwei Hander, but with cool armor.
Darth Panzer True, the Dismounted Gothic Knights are pretty cool looking. They remind me of the Ritterbruder from the Teutonic campaign, very stylish looking unit.
Ronan Slevin Yep Ritterbruder are the shayt!They are like armored devils, the reason why i prefer the Gothic knights is because they have plate armor, but I've seen fanart of Teutonic Gothic Knights.Pretty cool.
because of the two handed glitch..the Zwei Hander and the Gothic Knights are bad
Pixelated Apollo Not if you play Stainless Steel!But yea in vanilla they are bad.
I like using pilgrims as human shields
this is so corny xD hihi
The Varangians are the best for flanking an enemy and destroying his army, if you ask me, France and the Byzantine Empire are the best nations, especially in an all-period match.
NUMBER (#) ONE *VENETIAN HEAVY INFANTRY* stats:
*ATTACK*
Attack: 16
Charge bonus: 5
*DEFENCE*
*Total defence*: 16
Armour: 7
Defence skill: 3
Shield: 6
Hit points: 1
NUMBER (#) TWO *CONQUISTADORES* stats:
*ATTACK*
Attack: 16
Charge bonus: 3
*DEFENCE*
*Total defence*: *22*
Armour: 7
Defence skill: *9*
Shield: 6
Hit points: 1
NOT IN EVEN TOP TEN (#) *HASHASIM* stats:
*ATTACK*
Attack: 16
Charge bonus: 3
*DEFENCE*
*Total defence*: *22*
Armour: 6
Defence skill: *9*
Shield: 6
Hit points: *2*
*Good job Apollo*.
Karaus There is so much more to the units than defence. Venetian Heavy infantry have armour piercing attack, so any defence due to armour is halved. Also, the charge bonus adds to the Venetians already brutal attack. The Hashashim only have half as many men in their units.
Karaus Now list their price
Karaus The fact that they have less soldiers is important, because it means that there are two soldiers attacking each Hashashim, and damage is only done if they complete the attacking animation, which can be interrupted by other soldiers attacking them. They're also 840 florins or something.
But hashashin are 30 people venetian heavy inf. are 60 people
I did some quick testing, and I found that Russia's dismounted Druzina and Boyar Sons both beat HRE's dismounted imperial knights but lose slightly to Feudal Knights. They have better attack and much better morale compared to the imperial knights at the cost of a little defense, but they're not even given an honorable mention here. The one thing that holds them back is their cost I would say, as they're even more expensive than Feudal Knights. Still, Russia's best infantry all have armor piercing. I think too many people just write them off as a pure cavalry faction.
Also, I think you're overrating Imperial Knights a little... Dismounted Dvor (a bow unit) will beat them in a melee.
daz bones I agree about the Dismounted Imperial Knights. But what ruins Dismounted Druzina and Boyar sons, alongside their cost, is their rubbish morale.
I cannot trust them to hold a line, which is where I need my heavy infantry. Spending 600+ on heavy infantry is pointless for them when I can spend 300 and get better/upgrade my cavalry.
Oh wow, thanks for the response. I kind of wonder now since Dismounted Druzina, Boyar Sons, and Feudal Knights all have the same tag "Good Morale" in their description, but it's also true that Feudal Knights have the better morale in a fight:
Is this better morale due to a different "morale value" in the code designing the units, or do they have the same starting morale but feudal knights have a better defense value so they don't die as quickly and thus don't lose morale as quickly?
daz bones I cannot access the total war honga but that gives a lot of detailed stats for units.
But I have a feeling that your latter statement was probably closer to the truth. Units that die quickly lose morale from sustaining losses in a short span of time.
Ok, cool. Thanks for the response!
You should do top 10 descriptions for the units :) i always like to go through and read them
Peasants are the best purely because of the amount of them that can be spammed.
Ritterbruder should be on here tanky as fuck
This is only for vanilla, but they are awesome.
giltine's chosen bruh
XxMasteroMariusxx Decent
ritterbruder is better tho :D.
+Leon Cao Town militia is better than Ridderbruder :D
jeneseri hevy infantry Kant iven kill fudelknights
huscarl
+Giese12345
690 florins god damnit
Overrated
Any unit with two handed weapons are designed with cavalry in mind. They are meant to destroy cavalry. Sword & shield units are meant for other infantry.
Cavalry’s purpose is to flank and destroy archers and artillery, and then hit engaged infantry in the back & rout them.
So says every military manual in history. Now try that in M2tw and see how quickly your infantry (everything but pike men) disintegrate to a frontal cavalry charge.
I do that in every battle and it works out perfectly. And those units with two handed weapons aren’t working alone either. They have a support group of friendly cavalry and archers.
Apollo you got to do these lists for the expansions, at least the Crusaders and the Teutonic. gotta know how those new troops rank, especially since the 2Handed glitch is not as pronounced or nullified.
If you’re complaining about gothic knights not being on the list THEYRE GARBAGE
And every other two handed?
Best infantry is Hashashims .
Principle of Antioch has the best infantry in the game (Crusades DLC)
Kitbuqa u didnt charge into a charging dismounted conquistador/christian guard then.
well sometimes they will get charged and lose the battle
Emre Atik That is just because they got 2 hitpoints -_-
Capitalist Manifesto Not realy canons Of The Holy Sepulcher (probably speling wrong) are not tbat good plus this is vanila.And in a vanila perpective hasasim can beat venetian heavy or conquistador
Venetian heavy infantry are very good counters to dismounted knights. Plus the fully upgraded 'advanced plate' of dismounted broken lances looks amazing. A shame they lack the morale and attack superiority of standard knights. What about spearmen though? The Ottoman dismounted Siphais lancers are good cavalry counters. Personally I found pikemen to be extremely underwhelming compared to how deadly they actually were in the late medieval/Renaissance period
Pikemen are ok if you can support them. The main issue with them is a design flaw in the game that has them drop their pikes and pull out swords when they are touched by an enemy model.
Spearmen in general are inferior to heavy infantry. Even against cavalry they are pretty underwhelming unless they are in schiltron or the cavalry charge is disrupted. I believe someone mentioned to me that they have a hidden stat that gives them a penalty against infantry. Their argument was that town militia being "light infantry" actually makes them better at fighting the spear
militia.
why do i think that the varangian guard should be no1???
+antreas makis they are bugged in vanilla, so they don't deal enough damage
Oh Jesus, I've found the old Apollo videos; the holy grail of the Church of Apollo
where is the hashashim?
and battlefield assassins
DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS?
...again, you seem to completely ignore the overkill that is the Danish infantry.
This video is for online concept, these units are are used online.
what about the expension pack units? i know there are some pretty epic units out there
+ridfer the gamer yeah I might make a top ten unit series for that
Owh, cool! thx for the reply btw. What are your favorite extension units?
+Pixelated Apollo Plz do
+ridfer the gamer mangonal
expansion?Ritterbruder.all the way
THE POTATO MIC
dismounted christian guards are the best infantry unit, Hashashims are even better but they are small unit
Everything loses to Dismounted Conquistadores
Kitbuqa its obvious your venetian charged while enemy dismounted conq./christian were not...
someone pls tell me where you can create hashashim they're fuckjibg awesome
you need to build hashashim guild, only available with Muslim factions (egypt, moors, turks) and Hungarians can have hashashim guild but they have battlefield assassins, similar to hashashim but weaker, you can build hashashim guild only in cities, you need to wait until it pops out in begining of the turn, when information says that guild is available to build, and you should wait until hashashim guild pops out to be available to build, you should cancel all others, but if you build inns and upgrade them and build assassins and and if you killed someone with assassins you get guild points so you will get chance to build guild earlier...you need 100 build points for hashashim guild, for example, if you build 1 assassin you get 10 points, for successful assassination you get 20 points but for failed assassination you lose 20 points so use quicksave before trying to assassinate somebody, and buildings give you i think 20 points for each upgrade....i hope it helps
MaximusOfCaceres ty ty
Dismounted druzhina... Dude knhigts cant compare... Or you guys dont know to play game...
I've run Dismounted Dvor against DFKs and the Dvor won every time. Crazy unit.
@@IAmTheStig32 try nubin swordsman,dude,those unit are crazy...
The new patch really hurt the JHI. I remember they were nearly unbeatable in the vanilla
I never understood why the conquistadores had such good stats and could stand up to other heavy infantry even though they were only fighting naked native Americans.
Also the Christian guard does poorly when they attack feudal knights which was disappointing but a fantastic unit in siege defences.
Great list by the way will it be cav and skirmishers next?
I think its because they are the most advanced infantry unit in the game. I never really saw any issues with christian Guard against feudals. Cav will be next! Thanks for watching!
Lauren El the conquistadores fighted on Europe too they conquest the south of italy and the some countries like belgium and a part of french
As here is full of MTW 2 fans, I can maybe use this opportunity to find an answer to a question I have since 5 years. I remember that 10-15 years ago I played a version of MTW in which it was possible to assassinate own units, force incest marriage, discover incest marriage in another state and cause rebellion there. Furthermore while playing with Turks at hardest level there was always this civil war between brothers and I had to pick a side, when the other became rebels (Hated it because you lost many regions at once). For good trade income, you had to secure sea with your fleet as well. Does anyone know the name of that MTW version and probably where I can find it?
does the standard of venice stack if you have multiple of them in your army?
feodal knights as elite unit.
Then comes town guards with spears. :D
Then come crossbow mercs :D
Upkeep is important to me at least. I used to like the English armored swordsmen with their 150 upkeep per turn that's almost as cheap as a spear militia unit; and stats about the same as dismounted feudal knights
This is a multiplayer only list. If it was singleplayer, upkeep and availability would have been taken into account.
What about Hungerian Battlefield Assassins
I’m sorry I’m so late but I can’t stand when people play these types of games and misuses the units that are available. For instance those two handed swords and pole arms, and heavy bills where used mainly in the high periods to to the late periods especially in Pike and Shot formations. You simply cannot pit a two handed swordsman against a swordsman unit with a shield 🛡️ they will always lose. Always! These type of units are supposed to be used for supporting the infantry fight on the flanks with a good charge or whenever cav gets involved that cav unit is static into the fight the two handed units flank those horses with a devastating charge attack from the flanks as you would against infantry. This is where they will get their worth and their kills. I’ve made French and Holy Roman imperial Pike and Shot formations so deadly it’s heart wrenching. Venice, Portugal and Spain are also deadly with those formations. England is a tad bit different but creative! I use my Arquebus in the front, Longbows in the back after a already placed stakes in front of my gunners. I then take my Heavy Billman in place them in between both of those units and on the flanks of my gunners. I also have my cav on the Flanks with some Culverins and some mortar support. A lightly armored army but significantly deadly.
Idk why you mixed noble Swordsmen with chivalry, Scotland noble Swordsmen can easily defeat chivalry,Christan guard,and all others, if you don't believe me try it yourself
About Venetian heavy infantry. You don’t use them in the same way as you would use a unit of conquistadores. They are a prime example of a shock troop that actually works, in this game.
The scenario where you want conquistadores is for a fight location where you can’t support them with anything else, such as a breach or a battle for the walls. In those situations their superior stats just let them out grind the enemy, allowing them to accrue that monstrous value.
Venetian heavy infantry plays differently. They don’t want to grind, they want to hit key areas of the battle and turn the tide of battle quickly, fighting against other armored infantry. Their attack might be a little overturned but they are a very well made unit overall as it takes skill to use them well.
Venetian heavy infantry has also a very low upkeep 👍👍👍
Not relavent in multiplayer, but always nice to have.
I watched this video a while ago and tested the Boyar Sons out afterwards. They really werent THAT bad... They even beat a unit of Feudal Knights once
They mean for the cost, it's too much
Boyar Sons are interesting, because if you give them their armour upgrade, then they’ll beat Feudal Knights and Imperial Knights, they’ll even consistently beat Imperial Knights even if you also give the Imperial Knights an armour upgrade. And considering that your only other choice is Dismounted Druzhina, which are pretty much just the same unit, they’re not that bad.
Why didn't they give Portugal Sword and Buckler men? I think Spain and Portugal would still be balanced, due to the tercio pikes and portugese arquebus
There's this one unit in the Gold edition for the Medieval 2 Crusade mode, two handed swordsmen at around 1000 florins absolutely slapping Venetian Heavy Infrantry in 2v1 1100 florins going up against 1200 florins worth of venetian infantry is pretty clear cut. Base game Venetian Heavy Infantry slapp everything
dismounted conquistador/dismounted christian guard are definitely top 1/2, venetian heavy comes next, then janissary heavy comes next, rest of the infantry are insignificant.
my list is only true under condition that both infantry charge against each other in an even battle. Other factors such as money is not accounted for here. and i did ****load of tests to get my result....
Dismounted Dvor are soo fcking OP. My second favourites are dismounted Christian guard, third Venetian infiantry
You make a mistake you forgot Jannisaries . They are on second place. They are stronger then conquistadores . Only Venetian Heavy infantry can beat Janisaries.
if you have this game plase try ''jannisary heavy infantry vs venetian heavy infantry'' and see the result, you can come back to this video and click the dislike button :)
NobAl swordsmen and NobAl knights are my favorite units. Lol
Странно что есть всякие табарды и варанги, но нет хускарлов/дружины/спешенных боярских детей и янычар с алебардами, которые их убьют, янычары то еще и эффективнее против кавалерии, за счет чего явно лучший юнит с двуручным оружием...
Where is the Highland Nobles? I know that they are a bunch of weaklings once heavy cavalry rushed in but they are perfect against literally other infantries.
I like to play with the turks, janss heavy infantry are not great, but combine them with the Turkish archers just as a fend off unit, jesus Christ.
Well the Byzantine Varangian Guard and Byzantine Dismounted Latin Knigts
Hashashin anyone?!?!?! Also HIGHLAND NOBLES.
How to play lan battle. Please instruct me.
You talk about a bug, but dont tell what the bug is...or what they beat in 1v1 and what they lose to in 1v1 - like you need 2 of a to kill 1 of b unit. Strong aginst, weak against etc.