The END of The Holy Trinity and the Age of Solo Play | Ragnarok Online
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- This video is about how the game started well. The foundations of the game are excellent. It expanded upon the classic holy trinity division: tanker, healer, dps. The 2-1 and 2-2 classes went over and beyond. But, as time went by, things started getting worse. With the 3rd classes and, most importantly, the flood of overpowered items caused by the cash shop, there is no more holy trinity: we all play mostly solo. The meta of the game is solo. The 4th classes won't change that. In the video, I go over in more detail of how amazing is Ragnarok, but also how some changes harmed the game.
- Ігри
This will always be the best MMORPG ever
PERIOD 👌🏻🙏🏻🤝
Yup
True!
Tibia is fps?
agree i love it still
Ragnarok ONLINE is my childhood. Thank you for all the good memories,as in its all good memories.i'm now 35 years old, RO has a special place in my heart.
I feel like transcendent was the highest point in the game. It added a lot of personality to each job.
Third job and renewal is where everything went down.
Completely agree!
I would say that Classic RO never estabilished the holy trinity as 'serious' as classic WoW/Everquest (and their clones). Thats because Ragnarok doesnt follows the "Tank and Spank" logic that composes most of the encounters in those games. The Tank was really meant to optimize both his damage mitigation and aggro holding (which could conflict in their gear/spec choices), the healer both the heal output and mana management (during a single fight), and the dps usually had the least to look at besides maximizing damage. This difference happens because although Ragnarok had many different functions/skills, it was basing itself in Diablo which has a much more aggressive/fast gameplay than WoW/EQ originally had. In Diablo a group of players are just spamming skills and cleaning many pack of monsters at the same time. Ragnarok did a great job in expanding the gameplay from Diablo, but it didnt took as much from EQ as WoW did.
That’s true, I didn’t think of the AoE emphasis. But, I think the main issue is that nowadays most classes do everything by themselves, alone. Any class, with cash shop overpowered items, can kill anything (maybe not some green aura mvps, but everything else). But you are right, I didn’t think how Ragnarok is similar, in a way, to Diablo.
Thanks for taking me to a tour down memory lane. This game for me is the best. I can still remember the sound of the blacksmiths forging in Payon. Good old days good old days. :)
Yoo I'm glad there's someone with the love and enthusiasm on yt that I have till this day... Thanks and cheers to your onward growth friend 👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯
I love your videos. I played Iro for so many years and still love watching content about it. I've subscribed to your channel, can't wait for the next video. Keep it up!
Thanks! :)
Ragnarok was the best game I've played since I was a child, it's sad to see that its almost dead, but I can understand why and I agree with you, from the overpowered classes to the overpowered cash items, Ro started to shift into a game where everyone can do anything alone. In it's essence RO for me is a hard MMO, and trying to "fix" this, when imo it wasn't really a problem, was why the game started to lose players, and those who stayed started solo playing
You put it very well, they started fixing things that were not a problem. And not all of these changes had cash shop in mind. For example, they introduced the level restrictions (penality for drop and exp for mobs too many levels lower or above the player). But I wonder if a classic hard MMO could be truly compatible with the aggressive monetization system.
@@gamecitizen I've seen some servers with the max job being the OG 2-1 and 2-2 classes who handle this problem very well (imo), for example, items from the cash shop are purely cosmetic or in some cases lets you get some usables for level boost ,which I don't think it's bad, after all if someone just want to get faster to the part of the game where you can go farm or group up with someone to kill a MVP without the somewhat tedious level grinding they're in their right to do so.
@rei2829 there's no such thing servers like that. Game will not go on without money involve. in able for the moderator to maintain the game it needs donators, would you like to work for free ? 😂😂
@@lupina29 what are you talking about?, I said that the game should be hard, and the "*overpowered*" cash items (among other things) are why the game got boring for so many players, I never said I'm against cash items in general or any other monetization method whatsoever
@@rei2829 Woah! Im not attacking you what im just saying is you cannot find a server that no money involve. They will always find a way for you to donate no matter what because thats the only way that they can keep the server.
It died in 2009 with the Renewal update that massively fucked over the stats system, enemy system, gears, cards and skills.
The new generations will never experience the fresh of RO classin. There's very few data of everything so the players must find and solve them by themselves, like, the stats, VCT, FCT, where to farm Zeny/EXP etc. But nowsaday it's some kind of P2W online game and focus on the Gacha and Cash Shop
Yes, that's why I'm skeptical when official servers release classic servers. They just aren't trully classic. Cash shop is the main villain.
@@gamecitizen well, the staffs are completely different compared back then. They have completely different vision. Same case that happened to other classic games. So sad
There used to be private server like that, it's called Asgard Legend with lots of customization.
And then the 3rd impact happened
The music really brings all the good memories back.
Thank you for summarizing my feelings for Ragnarok in a video
What a excellent video! Good man. thanks for making.
Thanks! :)
I miss Party Play so much. I want to keep playing but I get bored playing by myself
I remember when Eden used to do the 400 kills of a monster and then when u get to the dungeon - u ask to be in a group
I remember having such a hard time getting a party for my Alchemist.
this isn't the fun party experience at all in RO, eden parties just want dps aoe chars and no support chars .
Ragnarok will always be my most fav game no game can replace it best bgm all time!
love the video, loved the end aswell
Seating 100% was so much part of the social aspect of the game, you made so much friends and kwnoing people from your party by just taking your time to recover HP and SP
I know its true that now we all have responsibilities, families, work, etc. But its is true that we don't have time to create parties, find healers, tankers, or just to seat and recover HP? maybe we just don't have to and that's why we don't do it
Maybe if we face with a new game that needs those things, we may still do it, even with less time, we may still want to do it just because it was fun and the game pushed that kind of play
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I've been thinking about trying Albion. I wonder if in other MMOs the social aspect is still strong.
Well put! Exactly my thoughts
o/
id go as far to say i think im like the youngest current player like im otw to be 17 and its aad to see this game is dying. my dad introduced me to this beautiful game and ive played pre renewal on a private server mostly and it was a blast going on parties to level. i tried renewal and it was boring to say the least its just plain. nice video man hope we can get more newer generation to try RO. :)
Wow! 17! You are definitely one of the youngest ones! Your dad must be a really nice guy, and it is fascinating that you play pre-renewal!
i think i played RO when I was 7-8 now I am 28 years old. Love to hear that you enjoy RO as we used to in pre-renewal days
2004 vibes
I want those times in gaming to be back.
Thankyou, this is soo nostalgic =))
It is like a feeling about "this game deserves better".
I'm currently working on my first game. Ragnarok is a huge inspiration for it, possibly my favourite game of all time. I'm a few months in so far and really enjoying it. It has made me really want to start playing again 😂
Share your game with us when you finish it! :)
Maybe try learn from an anime progresion, like log horizon, sword art online aincrad, bofuri
@@gamecitizen I am planning on making a Instagram page for the progress log 😊 thank you!
@@arysetyawan4110 thank you I will research those!
any update on the game, bro??? :)
Ragnarök Online was the main MMO game I played growing up.
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Ragnarök games developed and released on dedicated handheld video game consoles like Ragnarök DS for the Nintendo DS and Ragnarök Tactics for the Sony PlayStation Portable.
Recently I've been playing Ragnarök DS again. It somewhat gives me the experience I had playing Ragnarök Online on PC back in the mid 2000s to early 2010s.
I heard good things about the Ragnarok DS. The sad thing is that I never had a DS! I only ever had pc and a nintendo 64 (and now the switch). Come to think of it, why don't they release their mobile ragnaroks on switch?
Really good video. I agree with pretty much everything you talked about. I could probably make a response to it that's just as long as the video itself, but I'll try to keep it (somewhat) brief.
First, a couple very small corrections. The video kind of frames the transcendent classes as the beginning of the downfall, but they were actually in the game long before Homunculi or Ninja / Gunslinger, so clearly Gravity was still adding cool stuff at this time. I also think the Transcendent classes are a very good way to do vertical progression, as they add a very significant amount of playtime (since you have to re-level from level 1) for a relatively small increase in total power.
Also, while I'm also not a fan, I would also somewhat dispute the notion that the 3rd classes don't really add any interesting new mechanics. Ranger gets the Warg, which gives them a number of interesting abilities but they have to choose between the Warg and the Falcon. Sorcerer gains the ability to summon minions, making them play somewhat like a summoner class. Soul Reaper has a unique resource system that makes that class play very differently from most things before it. Then there's also the Summoner (Doram), which is unique in all sorts of different ways. The main thing I don't like about most of the third classes is that I feel like instead of expanding upon the identity of the second classes, they simply upgrade or replace them in most ways, and the game's balance was never really able to accommodate characters with that level of power.
In terms of the trinity system, in Ragnarok I feel it's always been the case that most classes could fill two of the three roles. The Knight can tank and also does high DPS. Crusader is a tank that also heals. The Priest can be built into a surprisingly competent tank. The monk is a DPS that can heal. The Assassin can DPS and tank. Wizard and Hunter kind of only DPS, but they have strong control effects that can substitute for a tank in some party compositions. And so on. This is interesting because it gives you the choice to either build specifically for one of the two roles or try to do both, which allows for many interesting team compositions. The Alchemist is uniquely able to do all 3 roles with the aid of their Homunculus, though they are by far the most difficult to play due to the need to micro both the main character and the homunculus, and in a game with the level of chaos that Ragnarok can have having to play 3D chess when other classes are playing checkers does matter. The Summoner also has the ability to do all three roles but usually must choose only 2, but their unpredictability is an asset. As you mentioned, this system has a boatload of depth and is key to the appeal of the game.
The part where you talked about the social aspect of the game and the decline of MMORPGs was the part I found the most insightful. Something Ragnarok did really well was that it worked as a kind of "drop in, drop out" multiplayer experience. If you look at a heavily quest-driven game like World of Warcraft, it's much harder to play that game with your friends, because unless you're at the exact same point in the quest chain, there's not much you can do that will be useful to both players. Ragnarok very specifically avoids this problem through its design. Obviously, one way it does this is through the lack of traditional quests, but the equipment and card systems play into it as well. In Ragnarok, equipment does not really have a level. In most MMOs, equipment is only useful for a few levels until you find gear that's simply far superior, but in Ragnarok, a good piece of gear is simply any piece of gear that has been upgraded a lot of times. This means that an item like Slotted Shoes is always valuable, regardless of your level. The same goes for the card system, cards always have value regardless of your level. This means that even if two players are not at the same level, they can probably find something to do together that both of them benefit from. You can go to an easy dungeon where the weaker player gets good exp, while the stronger player can kill the enemies en masse to try to gain valuable items. I remember when I used to play with my friends, people would just jump on and send a message like "hey does anyone want to go to Sphinx" in guild chat and you could usually find someone to accompany you. It really made the game a cool place to hang out.
But times change. There's far more competition in the online gaming space now, which means your friends probably aren't all playing the same game anymore. I've found that now, when I'm playing a game, I'm typically only playing with one friend so games that lack that kind of "drop-in, drop out" aspect aren't a big deal anymore, with only two people's schedules to work around, playing a game together for its entirety is quite feasible. This is also something Ragnarok actually doesn't do that well. Doing challenging dungeon raids in RO is only part of the game, there's also a fair bit of more slower-paced gameplay when you're trying to farm an item or gather materials for crafting and this is not super exciting for two people, you would typically have done this type of content solo back in the day. You also need quite a few people to do War of Emperium, which is in many ways the highlight of the game and the main thing you tend to work towards. So it's not surprising they sort of changed the focus of the game to adapt to the new way people were playing it, even though I think pretty much everyone would agree that it's not nearly as special as it once was. This is also probably why there hasn't been another Ragnarok Online since then, and why many people still consider it to be the best MMORPG of all time. It was a product of a time that has come and gone. We'll always have the memories, though.
Thanks! You said many things that, actually, I think you might be right and I didn't mention in the video. You are definitely right regarding how 3rd classes did change the combat mechanics. I still maintain my criticism, that the 3rd classes are too focused on dealing damage, but the way to deal damage has changed. Actually, one could argue that this diversity in how to kill monsters (and this includes the 3rd classes gameplay mechanics) is one of the strongest points of the game, and perhaps one of the few aspects of the game that are still strong, even after all these years. Your commentary gave me a lot to think about! Thank you!
Nice videos buddy! RAGNAROK FOREVER ❤️
Thanks! :)
Man, I remember me and my friend at the time, both rogues. Backstab made it so you could approach an enemy's back, stab forcefully, and FORCE the enemy to spin and face you. We took front and back of a tough enemy like a dullahan, and spammed backstab at lightning speed as the enemy whirled around crazily. Good times.
Nice strategy! Rogue is my favourite class too :)
This is why private servers with earlier episodes are very popular.
Exactly!
Yeah I gave up on this game already. Since 2002, it encourages group effort and social dynamics in going up with game. I recall I had a freaking manual on how to go around the game (leveli g up guide basically). 3rd jobs just encouraged solo play. However, the game itself is pestered with other problems that made it lose its touch compared to current MMOs. Still, there are live and well private servers with committed communities that keep it going. But I guess I'm old already. Console video games and Board games makes up for more worthwhile investment.
I can hear in your voice how much you love the game, and how what it is now broke your heart. There's always a special place in our memory where RO forever will be, good times and bad. My only wish is that I'd get to play a proper RO successor in my lifetime.
At least we can be glad to have enjoyed Ragnarok Online in its golden age!
Ragnarok Online will go forever down the best MMORPG ever. As long this generation is alive, as well as Ragnarok Online!!
The worst part about job 3 and 4 is making the game unbalance. Everything dies in one-hit. OP gears and powerful buffs exist. You can actually clear end-game instance dungeons by yourself. Its all power oriented. I miss the time where you need a party to beat an mvp boss with just npc store equipments.. ahhh this brings back memories..
totaly! the time where a party would be roaming searching for the MVP, now all you see is solo OP character searhing for MVP and beating it in less than a minuite.
if you gear is crap you still need party to clear endgame dungeons.
@@axellyann5085 "if your gear is crap" this is one of that power oriented i was talking about bro
@@redlime2330 yeah but try playing with only f2p gears (farmable gear) or like you said "npc store equipments", parties will be needed to even try mid-game instances.
The biggest problem for us grown up players is match schelude, so everyone just pick their op gears and go solo whenever they have free time to play.
I also don't like how op everything in the game is and that's why i limit myself to not use the broken itens.
It was unbalanced eversince. 2002 when its release assassin class a pure shit class in pvp. You want a badass class ? Go play hunter pure dex you will wreck anybody 😂
Nice video!
Thanks! :)
I think the Devs foreseen that people playing the game will be less and less, therefore give the support type their own DPS skills and the DPS their own support skills. however, there are some private servers that still strive for party play, great example is with SMRO where you can adjust the difficulty of the instance and therefore would require a group to complete it, the highest difficulty would require one party member from each job class except for cardinal (4th job priest) which you have maximum of two.
SMRO is Shinning Moon? I didn't know about that feature!
in the Helheim server, the purgatory difficulty.
Nice content!
Thanks! :)
Hey, great vid!!!!!!!
Thanks! :)
Excelente video. Deu saudades de Ragnarok. Vi as mensagens em português e desconfiei que voce fosse brazuca haha
Obrigado! Vi que você também faz vídeos em inglês!
@@gamecitizen Sim, estava fazendo por um tempinho. Tomando um break agora haha
Let's face it, Ragnarok online we've played back then in 2004 was long gone. They can't re-capture that lightning in the bottle, when MMO was new, and everyone still trying to figure out this whole online game thing. Some of us met our spouse through that interaction in the game, the same stuff won't be happening nowadays.
That won't be coming back.
I get the urge to go back and play Ragnarok every once in a while. This last time I played I brought a friend along who had not played before. We kept feeling how much potential the game had if it was more of a Holy Trinity-based game. If the aggro/threat system worked better, if bringing a dedicated tank was more necessary, if the only way to heal was to bring a healer. I had no idea the game used to be more like that. It would be a near perfect game for me, but the industry as a whole has decided to cater to the solo player completely. I could rant about this for hours but I'll spare everyone. Good video.
Thanks! It is still very much possible and enjoyable to play the game in groups, but, as you said, the game nowadays is catered to solo play...
Back in the day, before Juno/Yuno was even released, my hunter was indeed quite independent. However, I'd need four traps per Anolian and would make no more than 0.5% per hour on a good day ^_^'
About the Holy Trinity, some players would hunt MVPs with a party consisting of only a Priest (tank + healer/buffer) and a Wizard (glass cannon DPS). Basically, the cookie-cutter Priest build was all about pumping both VIT to 100 total (base + bonus) and INT to either 100 total, in order to gain full status ailment immunity, or all the way up to base 99; then perhaps some DEX to speed up the occasional Sanctuary or Resurrection.
Nowadays everyone seems to be able to reach over 1 million damage on a single AoE skill use o.Ô
Way more than 1 million nowadays, and the AoE is now, sometimes, the entire screen! The only thing that is much better nowadays is the exp rate. Oh that old times grinding was insane!
Used to play it. I did love it when I was young. I played on euRO and loki I guess and had a lot of fun playing WoE.
I'm still playing ragnarok on steam ☺️
great memory lane video! thx. ragnarok died for me after implementation of 3rd classes, thatss why i sticking to pre-renewal RO servers
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Hey man, nostalgia :) , I followed your advice using vpn to play in iRO from europe.. thanks again bro
Nice! :)
Ahhh vídeo muito legal, parabéns! Muita saudade da época do Rag, queria que tivesse algo novo que pudesse ajustar com o nosso novo estilo de vida (filhos e trabalho).
But it makes totally sense, they should have expanded widely, with new types of character instead of more damage. I've seen some videos of the new classes, and they're solo players gods. Not as nice as the massive parties in the past. I remember the first time I did the tower with my party... So much fun!
Valeu! De uma certa maneira, o jogo se adaptou sim, justamente através dos itens overpowered. Mas, é, também gostaria muito que encontrassem um modelo pro Rag, um modelo de MMO em geral, que é social, que tem grupos, mas que não exige horas e horas de compromisso por dia!
Make another vidio of ragnarok , it's so nostalgic
Bring my childhood memories 🥺🥺
With the new year, more videos are coming! :)
as a 30yo, I always come back to RO when I need a safe place to escape from reality
I've been writing a script for a video on why I've been playing a game that is 20 years old. On my part, I think it has to do with some nostalgia, but also some connection with a part of myself that I might have lost, that childhood/teenager part. Back then, I had no friends and I had a really hard time at school. So, playing Ragnarok was a escape from reality already back in 2005-2009. Of all game genres, I think MMORPGs had a larger impact on the young players' lives. Almost like it became part of our identity.
Back in the days i used to love ragnarok.. i used to love going against the strongest MVP with my prof support.. and now? Prof supp? Monk or Paladin tank? High Priest healing? lmao. It's just sad. For me ragnarok used to be a great game but they get what they deserve.
I would suggest you try the classic server named Asura Games Classic, it's the top 4 on the list of Low Rate servers in ratemyserver.
I will take a look! Thanks for the recommendation!
everytime I play classic ro, I always go for dual(archer&priests class). I like playing solo
I play solo nowadays too. And when I search for some other mmo, I always check if I can play it solo. I guess it's how things are nowadays... It's a shame that many servers don't accept duo client.
what really killed party play is the game allowing multiple accounts logged in at the same time. that allowed a single player to multi task.
I think that contributed, but I remember this being possible in some servers back in the golden age. But it defintiely played a role!
That game was my favorite, is Brave ro lives ? its the old Dreamer yh ?
Asura strike is probably one hated skill in the game.
Also have you tried the Ragnarok mobile versions? The game is all about MONEY MONEY MONEY!!! and full auto play, auto grind and auto farm but yeah I agree with you i'm 26 years old i work 9 hours a day and doesn't have much time to play that's why I accepted playing this auto play mmorpg and play while watching movies, tv series or anime.
I tried Eternal Love and that Ragnarok Begins. Eternal Love is more similar to PC ragnarok, but I can't stand that auto-play stuff. It's not my thing. I understand how Mobile Ragnaroks is a way to have a bit of ragnarok in our busy lives. And that is before all the gatcha.
@@gamecitizen yeah gacha sucks but to be honest if gravity can do some great improvements on RO, I live in Philippines and from what I know the official server is exclusive to Philippines only I wish they can do like SEA server so the game doesn't look like a dead game due to low players count.
i play on a Pre-Renewal (because Renewal sucks) Server that gets Renewal Content balanced to 99/70 and here we need the Tank, Heal and DPS Roles. Renewal is just bad and isnt RO anymore, everythings can be oneshotted, even 95% of Instance Bosses, the progression is RNG based, you need high refines while on Pre-Re you can do most content with safe refine Gear.
Is it very well populated? I would love to play on a populated pre-renewal
@@gamecitizen around 250 players but it has some nice features to get people into parties, i play here for like 4 month and never had to level alone, it has bad luck protection for farming rares, random stats on equip like RO Zero had and HD Ores to make refines not a horrible mess. its the best Pre-Re Server i have ever played so far. rates are ok with 3/3/5 (6/6/5 on events wich are often).
Next Patch comes in about a Week to Buff Expendet Classes like Ninja. The Admin turns Instances like OGH or Horror Toy Fac into normal Maps that we can grind in, i love it.
@@Mampfie Nice! What is the name of server?
@@gamecitizen project alfheim, say hi to benno when you show up :D
I'm wishing that Ashes of Creation or Blue Protocol make me fall in love with MMORPGs just as much as what Ragnarok did
Me too! I have high hopes for Ashes of Creation!
i played this game since i was 7 y.o. I had so much fun, I hate how it became ugh cant find another mmo like old school RO
You started very young! Did your parents introduce you to the game?
@@gamecitizen nahh, my cousins did! It was pay to play back then and I could only play for a bit, then as I grew older my allowance got bigger I was able to play more! It was fun, mostly good memories!
Caraio mandou bem muleke.
i would have hopes for the new riot's mmo tho.. nice vid
Thanks! I'm interested in future MMOs. League of Legends is a great game, and Arcane was one of the best animations I have ever seen. But I know too little of the riot mmo to be have an opinion on it. I think Ashes of Creation will be good. Palia might be good. Bitcraft might also be good. But I don't think they will be released any time soon!
It's also very difficult for new players to join the servers because the amount of information that you have to learn to play this game is massive, I mean you can just play and don't care about anything, but if you want to improve your gameplay then you need to learn and reaserch sooo much information and I guess it is hard for newer generations with a shorter span of attention
That's very much true. I can't imagine what it must be to play Ragnarok for the first time nowadays. There are sooooo many differents things in the game! In the past, there were also many things that were unexplained in-game and we had to rely on forums. Oh, the golden age of MMORPGs and their forums!
@gamecitizen yep, I remember when I started to play this game when I was like 16 years old in the pre-renewal era and before transcendent classes, I felt overwhelmed with all the information I had to learn and reaserch, nowadays I can't imagine how a newbie to the game would feel 🤕
i only play in pre-renewal unoficial servers
miss the old times
The last part of the video is so sad and true damn..
Yeah, it's sad, but at least we still have rag :) hey, have you been playing on the official european server? Has it been nice? I am taking a break from the official Brazilian server and now I have been playing mostly on iRO
How i missed the good ol days of partying up and power leveling, going into dungeons low level classes have no business getting into 😂
jumping into Byalan Dungeon (undersea tunnel) level 4 where there are plenty of aggro fishes, those with wind weapons do the damage the rest supports the dps and protects the healer
going to Orc Dungeon level 1 getting mobbed by undead and bats/flies
adventuring into Pyramids level 2 and 3 where archers can snipe undeads and acolytes can heal bomb
risking it all in Glast Heim graveyard behind the high level players, we just try to get a shot in before those Wraiths, Skel & Zombie prisoner dies.
but the hunter flies are a bane of our existance hahaha 😂
I agree with the introduction of the 2-2 jobs it started becoming more of a solo leveling experience especially when I tried out a GC sader and combo monk.
Slowly but surely it started a trend of changing the game experience, party play becomes only needed for serious boss hunting or guild dungeon expeditions.
I miss the good ol' RO me and my friends reminisce the thousands of hours spent into the game the adventures and misadventures we got into.
Sadly by the time 2009-2010 came around the game became quite boring for us and started to drift away from it.
Even nowadays those mobile versions just cannot capture the same magic of the original Ragnarok Online.
it may copy the look and some of the gameplay but not the same experience and magic. I am not wearing any nostalgia glasses but its just not the same anymore.
Looking back even before the release of 2-2 I had experimented with a Battle Priest but still played a whole lot with a party of Battlesmiths and a forging Blacksmith that leeched from us. It was plenty of fun the forger gave us plenty of potions and even sp recovery, kept close to my BP to keep safe while the Battlesmith shared his buffs and we started tearing it up with the enemies. the bond shared was something special.
Ragnarok Online was truly something special. 🎉🎉🎉
We were lucky to have enjoyed Ragnarok in its golden days!
my game interest on official server drops when it was flooded with bots. and then i transition to server to servers ,got tired. now i make my own offline server, i found my inner piece.
The 3rd jobs could still be relevant if they could just enhanced the game mechanics, adding more challenging contents and stories, more immersive system that the new jobs could still utilize their new skills and abilities. Take for example, new grinding spots for party... higher lvl grinding spots are quite challenging, that's why AB's skills are better suited for such situation as Culuceo Heal is more convenient for healing multiple party members at once, and so goes for the rest of the jobs, Royal Guard got better tanking skills, Warlocks got better AoE, etc. However it ended there. Other than that theres nothing new about the game that could utilize the relevance of the new jobs. They could've added contents that pushes the limit of players immersion of their characters.
I miss the time where i see a party grinding and asking them to let me join. and pooff new friend added.
The holy trinity is infact a big part of any MMORPG, so... after much much update, all role became DPS, healing/buff is now from items, so priest became unusable, all role became tank from equipment upgrade.
Priest just become buff bot,healing item more potent than priest heal
@@jerkingofwar yeah one of weakness or strength is its no delay using potion. Depends on how its used.
@@kopilumbar2366 the no delay was solved because of weight and cost of potions. And it was a huge part of WoEs
The main problem with RO is the early classes are designed to be played with other people. This means as most people past the early phase, new players have a very high barrier of entry to the game to progress to the next phase. And RO isn't upfront with the stats, classes, and skills for each roles, so new players have difficulty getting into the game long enough.
It has the same problem as veteran players progress into the game, more and more old players quit RO, this leaves the existing players having harder time to progress even though they really want to progress into the game even if its by themselves. So the devs designed it to be more solo friendly, so it slows down the rate of existing players leaving due to difficulty to progress.
The whole problem stems from them making it pay to play instead of having a better monetization model like wow. They should make the players invest financially into the game with something more tangible like guild, items and so on, and not just to play the game, when they feel that their have invested a lot into the game, they will feel much more reluctant to leave the game.
pre renewal was bliss, renewal destroyed the game imo, i stoped playing around the time 3rd classes came out. played since 2004-2005. Very nostalgic seeing RO content
RO was my first MMO.
Mine too! Before ragnarok, I played tabletop D&D. It was magical to be able to share a persistant world with thousands of other people. Ragnarok will always have some of that magic to me!
I tip my hat to you . ❤
Thanks! :)
i lost something maybe, but since the rebirth that I started playing pre renewal, I always solo played because it was easier and faster.
welp, we are old, our friends have different priorities as well. now it's just fun and sad at the same time
nice vid
Thanks! :)
yoo! straigh up! this is why ive always wanted to play a version without transcend or even ones without alternate jobs. WOE would be very simple and nice! but no! all servers are only "pre-renewal" at best. and nothing earlier than that. I HATE FOOD BUFFS, it ruins the feel everytime i had to EAT ALL FOOD to compete either in PVP or hunting. the only food im willing to consume is concentration/awakening/berserk. thats it. everything esle (food related) is just garbage
Oh, yes! The insane amount of consumables! Ragnarok could have expanded horizontally, but they decided to go full on power creep!
Is this available for download on PC?
Only on PC!
If up to us if u play no real money involve. Like me Im pure F2P player but i got 5 character(GX, RG, GS, Kagero, Maestro) level 175. Its about strategy to get those OCP item you want.
The nice thing about ragnarok is that you can sell and buy pretty much anything, including the overpowered cash shop items. So, it's true, you can play without spending a single cent and still have all the meta gear. However, it will require a lot of time and dedication!
We need a remake/new engine, same game made modern, not the autoplay mobile version
1) higher resolution
2) better UI
3) higher framerate/animation
4) cleaner pallettes/font/textures/effects
5) better quest route, management and story
6) better bgm/music quality
Funny how they keep making 2.5/3D mobile versions, but don't want to invest on modernizing this classic.
78% of their revenue comes from the mobile games. And they all feed on the nostalgia on the classic, that, like you said, receives barely any investment!
Love this game.. 😄
o/
I try the mobile version and yes, the game play automatic. I hate that.
Back then, pro Blacksmith players could solo MVP's.
Smart Hunter players could kill the infamous Wanderer monster solo with trap managing.
Assassins were the ultimate PvP machine
and so much more...
Each class had its corner where it excelled.
2-2 Classes gave the game that extra flavor, like you mentioned in the video.
Rebirth Classes expanded on that - that was Ragnarok Online at it's peak.
Then came renewal . . . And 3rd Jobs - this is where RO started to decline.
Gravity unbalanced everything at this point, and it became worse and worse ( hello guillotine cross, who reaches the damage cap *LOL*).
At this point, Monster HP skyrocketed because gravity was too lazy to tone down the damage and make it just a bit better than rebirth jobs (like rebirth jobs did back then).
And dont get me started on the cash shop - this was the final nail on the coffin imo.
I never played the Renewal version of the game again after leaving EuRO, because it simply sucks.
Now I'm working on my own server to recreate and rework the content ( started alpha last month /heh), to the point how RO should haven been ( imo ).
I don't fear Gravity coming after me since they don't give a shit about the European region, thanks to data management rules.
Cheers from an old EuRO player from the Rock'n'Roll Guild
Nice! Share here with us when you release your server!
Trans class and beyond broke the game
I played this from beta until the release of 2-2 classes and never so the holy trinity established
Which class did you play with? Hunter was more self-sustaining. But are you going to say you never played in a group with a priest? I played through the same period, and I constantly played in groups. Sometimes we would play alone, sometimes without a priest, but those were the exception. The most normal way to play was: at least one tanker (usually a knight), at least one priest, and everyone else to deal damage.
@@gamecitizen never played with a priest I just potion spammed. Only time I played with a priest was when we were both priests and we heal bombed undeads. I played a vit knight and
Spammed bowling bash and a grim tooth assassin.
2:09 Vrooooooooooooooooom!
is still dual client a thing still???
On most servers, yes.
In my case I used to play Private hispanics Mid Rates servers 'cause it was a quick way to play BG and WOE (And My english wasn't enough at that time), but the decadence quickly started with the 3rd Jobs, most of the servers got broken in bugs and even if they didn''t implemented the new clases, it did it the items wich unbalanced some classes. Also, another abusive behaviour were the guild packs, the private servers used to give items to guilds to promote their enter to their servers, but with less people playing, a particular big guild started to exploit that aspect around the hispanics servers (Cause they were too noob to be competitive in English ones) and monopoliced the servers and the item griding, killing several servers in the process
Are there still official spanish-speaking servers? I believe there was one official for Latin America, or am I wrong? I would really love to know, because I'm planning on making a video for each official server.
@@gamecitizen At the least when I was playing no, all of them were private and when It was announced the license for Spain we got agressively persecuted..... Also I just check it out... Just Xatiya RO survived, so sad, now I can count all of them with just one hand and they used to be around 50 servers at the same time
@@deinoccocuschoroy7312 Well, given that Gravity just had a "witch-hunt season" against private servers, it is expected for older private servers to be gone by now. On the bright side, some of them are returning!
Do you ever play the ragnarok-esque graphic "Tree of Savior"?
I never did, but I think I will try it. Have you tried it? I know it was done by the original creators of Ragnarok.
@@gamecitizen was super sweet but it ended up like Ragnarok Online..
If you love Ragnarok, come to Toram Online, it is what RO2 should have been and it is still improving patch per patch. We will now be celebrating the 9th anniversary soon! Don't miss the freebies if you are planning to play, start now!
Never heard of it before! I will give it a try!
I will still pick RO over other games, I think the cash shop killed the RO i understand they needed to make money but it is what it is
Exactly!
Are there any MMO that similar to Ragnarok nowadays? I miss playing Ragnarok.
There is nothing like Ragnarok... There are some games that share some similarities, but they end up being different. Albion has some similarities. It is top-down, and more sandbox than old-times Ragnarok. It is still fairly different to Ragnarok, though.
RO isn’t the same anymore. I just don’t understand why they keep adding stuff. Literally a lot of the cards and gears are useless now. Smh
Yes, instead of fixing the power creep, they just keep going on, bringing a new overpowered cash shop item. I get that this brings them money, but there has to be healthier ways to manage the game. Anyway, even if there is a better way, it won't happen, because Gravity only wants to make mobile cash grabs...
Try playing Ragnarok Mobile Eternal Love, the Holy Trinity is still in-effect. Be it at Instances and PVP part of the game.
I played it when it got released in the west. Of all mobile versions, Eternal Love was by far my favourite. My problem with it is that it is a mobile game, so it is filled with idle gameplay. On the long run, I ended up not enjoying that style of gameplay, just letting the game play itself :/
@@gamecitizen That’s your biggest issue? Not the money vacuum that is the stats deposit system? Really fk all gatcha games!
@@hilmanic28 I play classic Ragnarok in official servers, where the monetization is super aggressive, but I still manage to have some fun. For instance, Genshin Impact has a much less aggressive monetization system, it's still gatcha, but I can have a lot of fun playing the game. I admit that the meta for ragnarok has been, for so many years already, pratically gatekeeped by cash shop items. Still, I can have some fun.
A footage é br e vc tem sotaque br. És tu um br?
Sim, sou brasileiro! :)
Love
Counter point on 2nd part:
Soul Linker 3rd class pretty much becomes necromancer. But that comes with negative impact due to dark element being crap at end game.
3rd class improved and adds build imo. For example, knight branched into sword AoE, spear single target, or dragon tanker. Each patch adds something new to it.
What killed it is IMO 4th class due to damage inflation design. Every class could solo everything. Every class could tank everything. And every class have tools for buffing and debuffing for any content.
That's true, you added some good points. The 3rd of Soul Linker is like a necromancer, though I haven't played with it yet to be honest. And it's true that 3rds added new builds. Actually, the game still has sooooo many different builds! It's one of the best things about the game, and it' still very much alive! But much before the 4th classes, which haven't even been added to official servers like iRO or bRO (where I play the most), the overpowered cashshop items killed the group play. The bad thing is that 4th classes will just add on that, making classes even more solo-friendly. Maybe this isn't so bad, in the sense that the game is already solo-play for the most part, and Gravity just embraced this completely...
no mage is not the highest DPS, its the highest AOE burst. Hunter still the highest DPS.
That’s true, but the mage is *only* damage dealer, while the hunter was able to play solo (with the traps). Single target DPS, depending on the occasion, you are right, it indeed can be the hunter, or if the enemy has very high hp, maybe assassin too. But nowadays everyone deals tons of damage! (Also, if we consider the current highest damage dealers, it will vary wildly between servers, given it's all about cash shop items nowadays. Unfortunately...)
Hate Gravity. They should remake Ragnarok 2 into modern MMORPG but instead, they keep milking classic RO and make more RO Mobile with heavily P2W stuffs.
The best mmo rpg ever batch 2004 here!
2005 here! :)
Build variety is gone in renewal. Everyone just gets AoE. 4th job is even worse. Every job feels the same.
Exactly! I never got hyped with the 4th classes; quite the opposite, actually.
FF14 still use the basic holy trinity. But eventually its all about damage.
Each role has various jobs/classes but the difference mostly cosmetics.
I miss classic ragnarok
I haven't played FF14, I thought it would be more direct to solo play. I should try!
@@gamecitizen true, during story line it'd be mostly solo play. But for end game its always multiplayer. Dungeons matchmaking is more like ragnarok online 2.
We can't customize stats and skill set like classic ragnarok tho...
Trinity is not dead my kids are growing up i have an 11 year old lord knight and 4 coming hahaha it seems my kids are my team.
Dream family! :)
@@gamecitizen Nope I deleted fortnite . yeah it was hard at first but I have no choice ahahahaha now they are so into ragnarok i lack pc. so I plan to buy an orange pie and run it on linux
My son just took the assasin test he failed... I said work again do research!. . .ragnarok is the pill for entitlement! we need to teach kids about hardwork
I miss the holy trinity. 3rd Class aoe skills ruin it. :(
Yo dude, are u brazilian? Cuz some footage is from bRO.
Sou brasileiro sim! :)
@@gamecitizen bacana, vi que parece que você estava no valhala, né? Pensei em jogar lá, mas ouvi dizer que ta vazio, você acha que da pra jogar de boa?
@@mepedro Olha, não tá vazio não. O iRO tem dois servidores, um é vazio demais. Vazio mesmo, só alma penada. E o outro to iRO tem bastante gente, mais do que o nosso Valhalla, mas bem menos que o nosso Thor. Eu prefiro o Valhalla pois já tem equipamentos lá, então o up é mais fácil. E eu gosto de poder comprar asas de mosca! Mas dá pra jogar de boa no Valhalla, e no Thor também. Ambos servidores tem uma população saudável, mas o Thor tem muito mais!
@@gamecitizen Bacana, no iRO o chaos tem uns 900 a 1200 pessoas online, e é um pouco vazio, eu jogo lá, mas desanimei um pouco com a equipe da warpportal lá, faz 3 semanas que eles não tão conseguindo atualizar nada no jogo porque falaram que ta com problema na patch tool. Sem falar quando eles prometem uma att e não lançam.
@@mepedro Eu comecei no iRO, pra ter uma noção melhor do servidor. Apesar do bRO ser extremamente atrasado e a equipe amadora (warpportal br), sei lá, é onde sinto mais nostalgia!