Every Significant Mongol Successor State; How The Mongols Fell in 1857
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The Mongol Empire was the largest Empire in history. But did it just fall? Did it just rise, conquer half the known world and then dip? No, of course not. After their rise to power, the Mongol Empire divided itself into 4 parts, the Golden Horde in the West, ruling over the Rus. The Chagatai, ruling over Central Asia. The Ilkhanate, ruling over Persia and the biggest one, the Yuan, ruling as a new Chinese dynasty. Who would be the one that gives us the final significant Mongol successor state?!
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Hi PH how are you?
The earliest reference to the Mongols classifies them as a Tang dynasty tribe of Shiwei during the eighth century. It was only after the fall of the Liao dynasty in 1125 that they became an important tribe on the Central Asian steppe, but tribal wars weakened their power over the ensuing century. During the thirteenth century, the term Mongol was used to refer to the Mongolic and Turkic tribes who fell under the control of Genghis Khan. The Mongols are primarily a shamanist society; their central deity is the sky god Tenger.
Hi
The eastern chagatai khanate lasted much longer than the western chagatai khanate, as it was suceeded by Moghulistan and Yarkent Khanate. Yarkent fell in 1705, while Moghulistan became the Kumul Khanate which fell in 1930.
No nation left worse historical legacy than Mongol Empire.
Can't believe that Prince Charles is both the rightful successor to Genghis Khan and Charlemagne at the same time
This channel is goofy
Soon, Emperors Charles, Willam and George will conquer all of Eurasia under the flag of Britannia and pave the way for the Empire of man.
Soon khan Charles will march into washington, beijing and moscow, throat singing.
@@Marylandbrony *Holy Britannian Empire
@@Normal_Boii All Hail Lelouch!
ah yes, the British Khanate has been the true successor to the Mongol Horde all this time. Another amazing video, love your content, you never fail to disappoint. 😄
Tbh,some whacko believed the Romans (The one of Roman Empire) reach the Americas. Somehow.
Considering the British controlled most of the earth at one point their succession makes a lot of sense
Not to be that guy but “You never fail to disappoint” means that he always disappoints you
@@TheOfficalBiggestBird I think that's what he meant
@@kacper0563 don't think so, he says it's an amazing video and that he loves his content, yet he's always disappointed? Either he's fully sarcastic in his comment or he just made an mistake
Although ethnically Turkic, the Crimean and Kumul Khanates were the last successor polities of the Mongol Empire truely ruled by the Borjigin Dynasty
The name Mongol appeared first in the eighth-century Chinese records of the Tang dynasty, but only resurfaced in the eleventh century during the rule of the Khitan. At first, it was applied to some small and insignificant nomadic tribes in the area of the Onon River. In the thirteenth century, however, the name Mongol grew into an umbrella term for a large group of Mongolic and Turkic tribes united under the rule of Genghis Khan. It is not clear what the Mongols called themselves in their own languages. In fact, the specific origin of the Mongolic languages is unclear. Some linguists have proposed a link to languages like Tungusic and Turkic, which are often included alongside Mongolic in a hypothetical language group called “Altaic languages”, but the evidence for this is rather weak.
Also Mengukuo, a Japanese WW2 puppet in Inner Mongolia, was ruled by a direct descendant of Genghis Khan, so technically the Mongol Empire fell in the 1940s.
@@thenamesianna true but it was an extremely short-lived entity and ruled under the royal name of the Qing Dynasty rather than the Borjigins
@@nenenindonu Qing was in Manchuria
@@greatman8409 bro gets his historic knowledge from hoi4 🤣😂🤣
I think you forgot about the Kumul Khanate, a breakaway state of Eastern Chagatai which was only abolished in 1930 by the Xinjiang government.
Also the Khivan Khanate.
The Kalat Khanate lasted till 1955 when the Pakistani Government abolished it, absorbing it into Balochistan province
@@Naderium 😶
@@yasirnazirbutt8240 what
Mongol successor states in a nutshell:
see this giant empire? BAM. collapse. But keep an eye on that tiny successor state? BAM giant empire. BAM that empire collapsed. See that little rump state? BAM. massive empire. BAM collapsed. But you see that little tribe? BAM-
Conquered by the British, Chinese, or Russians.
Chagatai Has the Most Wildest Journey from Being in central asia, to taking over iran with the timurids, to taking over india with the mughals
He got them strong genes
strong CK3 vibes
@@OmegaTrooper strong Bannerlord vibes
Timur was half Persian (claimed his mother was descendant of the legendary Manuchehr) and so was Babur.
@@yaqubebased1961no evidence of timur claim his mother a persian
The last successor of the Chagatai Khanate: And thus the mongol empire, was actually abolished in 1930. By then there was still a part of the Xinjiang province of china known as the Kumul Khanate ruled by Genghishids.
12:33 nice bill wurtz reference there
Not to mention, that Babur's mother was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan ! Legitimising even more the Mughals' caim to being the successors of the Mongol Empire
The Qing dynasty (and the Later Jin before that) was arguably a Mongol successor state too. In 1636, the Northern Yuan ruler would hand over the Mongol imperial seal, one of the central symbol of the Great Khan's authority, to the first Qing emperor Hong Taiji. The Qing rulers also called themselves Khan ("Han" )in their native Manchu language and would generally present themselves as a continuation of the Mongols when they dealt with Central Asia and Tibet. The Ming was technically a Yuan successor state too since they accepted the Yuan as a legitimate dynasty that the Ming had later replaced after the Yuan had lost the Mandate of Heaven.
Brother Ming, she would fight any Mongolian people, they are evil
I’m pretty sure it’s because the mongols didn’t have a ruler and just accepted that they are no longer a great empire
@@Prororo Not because they are facing an evil empire like the Ming and Manchu Tartars
Once you conquer China, you become part of China!
@@user-cg2tw8pw7j the only "evil deed" the Ming did the Mongols was kicking them out of China
New beat just dropped in praise of Charles khan
this video is incredible, i always take a look at central asia in eu and just look at the countries and get confused because i have no idea how were they founded or what became of them, but learning that the timurids and by extent the mughal empire are successors from the mongol empire is something i had no idea of
i love watching your vids! keep the great content up :)
this is mentioned in the game. i suggest reading the starting texts.
@@mugen7819 yes, i usually do that whenever i play a new nation, but for example, i've never played the timurids so i havent read its starting text
the real successor of the Mongol empire is the Dzungur Empire, but annexed by the Chineses,
as long as the homeland of the Mongols in incorporated into China, it is meaningless for the Timurids or the Mughals to pretend,
proud to be a citizen of the Great British Khanate
great video, some minor inaccuracies with the maps and it was a pity you didn't talk about Babur's failed attempts at taking and retaking Samarkand
Years ago I was watching Maro Polo on netflix. My father stopped by during a scene where the Mongols were abusing the Chinese people there. At that point dad says "Hey, the Chinese people are speaking the same dialect your grandparents used". Sometimes I wonder about who my great X 7-10 grandparents were
Well there are roughly 16 million living decendents of Genghis soooooo....
No
@@Gabeslicor that’s fake
+10 social credit
Very cool
Now make an althistory where Queen Elizabeth II restores the Mongol Empire
Yes
The British mongols at the end there was a great joke thanks. Can't wait to see what conquests Chazza Khan gets up to.
chazza khan, son of elizabeir khan
Joke? Clearly we british are the true succesors to the mongol hordes.
Also the Shaybanids, actual legitimate successors of the Mongol Empire, while the Timurids they had overthrown only claimed to be prestigious maternal successors
Thanks For making these videos! Huge fan of You!
Thanks mate, really enjoyed your video. Its easier to follow your great explanations when you take a year counter on some corner at all times. Cheers and I hope you make more videos like this.
All this totally flew past me while learning history at school. It was understandable but connected to nothing for me. I didn't know what meaning anything had on anything else. And the teacher was actually really good. I'm just watching it and remembering so much stuff
Are you Mongolian?
Always wondered about the successors of the mongol empire. Thanks for this video!
You know you are one of the few people that actually explain mid mongol history
You’re getting bigger, dude. It’s so good to see!
* throat singing intensifies*
what a video, just love it💖
Little tidbit that annoyed me, the Russians only conquered Circassia during the Victorian era around the Crimean war, way after the fall of the Crimean khanate while you showed it being conquered by Russia well before that in your map
Less American fanatic
Circassia? Do you mean war between Russia, Ottoman Empire and Quaraj Persia?
@@Boyar300AV Russia was very strong in this war
funny point with British India. However, it was the East India company which really conquered India, so by right of conquest they were the successors to the mughals (and therefore indirectly the Mongols) meaning that for a time the successor to the Mongol Empire was publically traded.
But all of that is moronic considering the British have zero connection to mongols
Have you gone mad???? Mughals were chagtai section of turkic tribes not mongols!!!
@@denvergamingzone9766 Chagatai was literally Genghis Khan's son they were only later Turkisized. They are just as mongol as the Persian speaking Ilkhanate or as Roman as the Greek speaking Byzantines.
@@fredrikkirderf2907 genghis Khan's son chagtai and the turkic clan chagtai are two different things. The turkic clan chagtai is either all turkic or turkic from paternal side and mongol from maternal side (as mentioned by babar) .
In either way, they are not mongols.
@@denvergamingzone9766 I cant believe your arguing that a tribe LITERALY FOUNDED by Genghis Khan's son has no relation to the Mongol Empire while you have no problem with the East India company taking the title through right of conquest. It doesn't matter if their parentage is mostly (or even entirely) they were an important part of the empire and descended from the royal family therefore they're as much of a successor state as the Ilkhanate or Golden Horde.
Finland is the true successor to the Mongol Empire.
Wow, amazing channel, cheers.
Everyone forgot Kazakh Khangates that also lasted till 1857
Kazakh khanate lasted in 1847
@@duman2047 thanks i was 10 years off tho
Kazakh is kipchaks not Mongols. Why even do kazakhs think they are mongols? hha Oirats, Khalkhas, Buryats speak Mongolic and true heirs of Chingis khan.
@@radnaat6928 Yes, Kazakhs are not Mongols. but Kazakh khans are descendants of Genghis Khan. They come from Jochi of the golden horde
@@radnaat6928 Kazkhs was successor state to Golden Horde Witch In Turn Was Successor to Mongol Empire
amazing video, love the way you colour the maps also could you do a vid on what if the mongols invaded europe ?
They did? They got all the way to Poland
yes I know but they could have gone further if it was not for the khan dying as they were about to go on a invasion
He did
I'm pretty sure it was one of the older videos tho, so the quality might differ
oh... I feel like I've seen every vid...
Love this thanks :)
Fact- Timur's are Chagatai's successors that if you turn to call Timur as Mongolian language means "Iron" which means Timurid Empire is Iron Empire
Wasn't Timur _just_ a warlord who worked his way to glory?
He was not a Chinggizid, well at least he wasn't called one even once in his lifetime
Timur was not a Genghisid. He was a very cunning and charismatic warlord who married a Genghisid princess.
1. Turkic languages have word "timur" too, which means "iron"
2. Timurid empire's name was Turan
Small corrections:
- Xinjiang was owned by Chagatai, not Yuan
- The Ottomans never conquered that much of the Caucusus
Great video though
Great video
It is interesting that the 2nd biggest empire in history was ended by the biggest empire in history. Also PH, there were a few kingdoms in central asia that held out until russia conquered the area in the 1860's-70's, did any of them have connections to the mongols?
Kazakh's came in Succession to Golden Horde
amazing stuff
12:30 love the bill wurtz refrence
Now you need to make 2 more videos, one about the successor states of Alexander's Empire and the claims to the title of caliphate over the years and everything will be completed
Fun fact: Genghis Khan is only the English name for "Chinggis Khan", just I guess the Americans decided to change it?
The name Chinggis apparently derives from the originally Turkic word "Tengiz" (Sea) which happens to be more identical to the English "Genghis" version
@@nenenindonu Genghis and the Turkic Word Tengiz is not related
the Word Tengiz is in Mongolian as Sea also
whoevee told you that is just some Turkic guy trying to validate this life in a horrible country by claiming the Mongols as Turks
The official name of the international airport in Mongolia is "Chinggis Khaan International Airport".
I am trusting the Mongols on this.
wiktionary says it's the italian spelling, and when it's said in italian it presumably sounds like chinggis khan
man your content is so good man how do you do it?
Something to add. The 4 oirats created the dzungar khanate which fought against the khalkha mongols (modern day mongolia’s dominant tribe) in an on and off civil war for 400 years, ending with qing dynasty’s genocide of dzungar mongols, wiping them out. Some of the survivors migrated deep west into eastern europe creating the kalmyk khanate and is now known as kalmyks (meaning the “spillover” or “going away” in mongolian) in modern day russia. Kalmyks being one of the oirat tribes of 4 the oirats.
The Emperor of India title was abolished in 1948 so no Charles the III of the United Kingdom is not considered a successor of the mongol Empire.
Nice video, but it would be much better if you would put on the screen the year that everything happened, or at least mention it more often.
Turkic has always been a predominantly spoken language, used at the courts of the local rulers, in the army, by rural or nomadic populations, and as a lingua franca among the multiethnic tribal confederations. It was even the language of communication in the Mongol army. Turkic has also been a supra-regional language of communication among smaller communities of speakers of minority languages and a means of communication among people of different ethnic backgrounds in certain social and professional groups, e.g. the Bāzārī class in Teheran.
Nice larp roach.
And with this comment by the Great Papazata, the video has been blessed!
turkic is a language family not a language
Free Kurdistan
@@aryankarki688 also iranian (iranic) are language family not ethnicity and not race
Were those names golden horde, chagatai, ilkhanate used by them at the time or just created by historians later on to distinguish them ? They are all Very cool names
The name chagatai came from the chagatai khanates first ruler Tchagatai Khan.
The golden horde was originaly called Kypshak khanate, golden horde is what the russians called them due to their wealth and the khanate later adopted that name itself.
The ilkhanate was always called ilkhanate afaik ever since the rule of halegu khan
actually the Golden Horde was called that because the color of their tents looked golden and Ilkhanate is the Arabic translation of the Khanate
@@ravensburgerburger3989 kypchaks are Turks who fled from the Mongols .
Golden horde was called desht kypchak
@@eretna2480No
Well I say Queen Elizabeth II was the last successor as she was the last one to hold the title of 'Empress of India' before it became a republic.
King George V was also coronated as the king ( Emperor ) of India in New Delhi.
very nice video
fun fact, the word "moghul" is how indo-iranians called "mongols"
Maybe the true khanate successor is the friends we made along the way.
Good video!
This will be a great conquest
What map do u use?
Nice content! Hope you could do the islamic caliphates similiar to this video, much appreciated.
The Mongol Empire had a rather interesting similarity to Rome's Rise, Decline, and collapse.
The Mongols went from a irrelavent power in the middle of a region before conquerling literally everything they could. Like how Rome went from a City State to the Conquerers of the Italian Peninsula to the Mediterannean Superpower.
They divided the empire in regions to keep the empire united but it didnt save the empire entirely since it still saw the eventual collapse of their empires.
Both had their own eras of peace, the Pax Romana for the Romans and Pax Mongolica for the Mongols thanks to their massive power on the region they dominated in.
The Yuan was similar to the Byzantines. The Byzantines were technically the Roman Empire [controversial!] and the Yuan was technically the Mongol Empire and held the capital of their respective empires. Constantinople for Byzantium, Khanbaliq for Yuan.
Unlike popular misconcepction, the Mongol Empire had the World's Largest Navy under Kublai Khan's rule. Yet the only reason nobody remembers it is due to the fact most of it was destroyed during the many very successful attempts at conquering Japan due to Typhoons, Just like how Rome had their fleets destroyed due to storms during the Punic Wars. Except unlike Mongolia, Rome conquered Carthage eventually.
Both empires were overextended and eventually collapsed under their own weight.
Vastly different cultures and peoples yet their empires had a similar rise and fall.
[Controversial!] Well no, no its not controversial about weither or not its a Roman Empire, the only controversy is weither or not it would be considered a successor to the Roman empire, or straight up the Roman empire.
The historical answer is, straight up, the one known popularly is Successor state because not latin anymore.
The difference being rome lasted for centuries. Mongols died out Ina century
@@shreyvaghela3963 Right, I can't forget that major difference as well.
@@shreyvaghela3963 The other difference being the Mongols spanned almost all of Asia. Infact just China is about the size of the Roman Empire.
@@nexus6755 China itself is bigger than the Roman Empire. Rome at its peak, controlled around 1.9 million sq miles of territory (4.9 million sq km).
China is around 3.7 million sq miles (9.6 million sq km)
Take a shot everytime factionalism destroys an empire.
You should make a alt history about what if the mongol empire never existed (Like if ghengis khan died early on or the chinise defeated the Mongols at the start of their conqeusts) it would be intresting to see the massive butterfly effect
The last Khanate was Kumul khanate in China that lasted until the 1930s.
I love the fact as I am Forming the Mongol empire in Rise of Nations, This gets uploaded for me.
Kazakhstan is actually real successor of Chinggisid Empire since Kazakhs have all tribes who derived from Mongol army (most of those tribes were Turkic).
nice joke
Kazakhstan is successor of Golden Khorde, actually tatars, bashkirs and crimea tatars are too, but they are occupied by Russia rn so technically we are only successors
@@Yoshiro_saiki why do you think it's joke? I'm not trying to offend, I just ask, ✌️
@@Yoshiro_saikiwhat? You can search in Google Töre dynasty. My ancestor Abul-khair khan.
Cool
Imagine if genghis khan set up a proper line of succession.
Very interesting video!
I am actually Kazakh from Astrakhan so possibly I am a descendant of the Golden Horde/Astrakhan Khanate.
P.S. near where my family still lives are the ruins of the capital of the Golden horde, Saray
Sadly, it is not protected or cherished in any way, more so, the Russian influence kinda is forcing ppl to forget about it as many people in the region don't know about those ruins even😢
Love the history of japan reference in the mughals bit
The mughals were an Indian persianized sultanate. I personally think the last remnant of the Mongol empire is the Crimean khanate which was disestabilished in 1783.
mughals were mongolo-turkic with Persian language and culture, not indian
King charles apears before a press conference
"My dear british sibjects i would like to anounce that "BEGINS INTENSE THROAT SINGING"
THE WINDSORS HAVE THE MANDATE OF HEAVEN
As A Mongolian i shall ask, Why not Mongolia as successor? huh?
Because it not a real country just a border between Russia and China
It is definitely: but that's not interesting for non-mongols xD
HOI4 toglodog uu? Tanil ner baina :P
@@BR0984 toglodiishde, yaj ner taniv
@@kaiserinvictoria8085 Germanaar khaant zasaglalaar yvaad hed heden yum hiinguut Victoriag Franciin Khatan Khaan bolgoj boldog bolohoor :P
Dope
Although the Turks often comprised the bulk of the Mongol army as well as the bulk of armies opposed to the Mongols, throughout the domains of the Mongol Empire there was a diffusion of military technology, which has already bee and also ethnic groups. In addition to the Mongols and Turks, other ethnicities served in the Mongol military machine and found themselves distant from home.
May, T.M., 2012. The Mongol conquests in world history, London: Reaktion Books. p.222
I remember when a Mongol in the Altai mountains said "It's Throat Singing Time" and throat singed on top of a mountain.
Plot twist: The mongol empire never existed, it was just some alternate history someone dreamed up, and is now being covered by Possible History
12:32 "hey, i understood that reference!"
12:37 I did not expect a Bill Wurtz reference...
Can you do the same about Alexander's empire
I'm pretty early also Mongolia forever
Why didn’t they say about the Kazakh Khanate, which was larger than the Crimean Khanate?
never knew you made this also the successor to mongolia is still alive the holy land
What do you think would happen in Russian history if the Kingdom of the Kevin russ didn't fragment and was not conquered by the Mongols managed to fight them off it would give Russia a lot of Eastern territory and a bigger opportunity expansion
Ah, yes
Kevin russ
The Primarch of the British Wolves
5:30 dreamybull jumpscare
Am batu Khaaaaaaan
1857, so the deposition of the last Mughal Emperor after the sepoq rebellion, which was a descendant of Babur, who broke off from the already dead Timurid empire, which was founded by Timur who broke off from the Chagathai Khanate, who were one of the Mongol Successor States?
If you think about it the Royal Navy is just cavalry that have replaced the horses with boats
You should make a video on what if the Russo georgian war in 2008 never happened
if you go into family trees - Charles III is related biologically to Genghis Khan as well.
I love the sneaky bill wurtz reference
So I guess that a short living 1918 Crimean republic can also be counted as a successor state to Mongol empire?
no because it was a republic founded a century after their last genghishid ruler lost everything. By that logic is vietnam a successor state of the Han empire?
The successor State in 1700s
Kazakh Khanate 1465-1847 ( Bökey Horde 1801-1914(1846-1887))
Crimean Khanate 1441-1783
Buhara Khanate 1506-1785
Khiva Khanate 1511-1762
Kumul Khanate 1696-1930
Mongolia 1206-1916? (1912-1920)
it should have been mentioned that the central asian state of khiva was the last succesor state lasting until the russian civil war when it was concoured by the boljseviks
The fact that the last muhgal emperor had a photograph means that theres photographs of mongol successors
What about the Kumul Khanate
4:44 The Mongols shall push forward to the South at that time...
anyone else read the thumbnail as the "we are farmers" ad
👍
Khagan Charles has a ring to it...
Can't wait for Charles III, Khan of Britain, to conquer the steppes
Hi Waltuh
12:40 bill wurtz Japan reference
I can't wait for a HoI4 mod where the British becomes the 2nd Mongol Empire. (Just for the memes)
Mongols never fell, Mongolia still exist
"helped spread the black plague" like thats an achievement lol