Former 7-11 employee here. We were allowed to give police, firefighters and paramedics free drinks. Doctors and nurses too, but they rarely accepted the offer. The attitude of the different professions when accepting their free drink was interesting to me. The majority of the cops always acted unsurprised and entitled. Like they expected it and already knew they deserved it. The firefighters almost always asked "are you sure?" Or "really?!" And thanked us profusely. The paramedics were the most likely to gratefully accept the free coffee, but pay for the coffee of the person behind them in line. The best moment of my employment came when a group of very tired, very sweaty, soot covered wildfire fighters came in and I got to tell them they could have any fountain drink or coffee free of charge. One guy smiled and asked "even slurpees?" And I nodded. 12 or so men and women you could tell just finished a very hard day began cheering and celebrating the news they could have a free Slurpee like they'd just been told someone had found the cure for...things being on fire and they would never have to fight one again. The same guy leaned over the counter like he was being sneaky and said "hey. If I pour you a Slurpee, does that mean you could have a free Slurpee too?" I didn't have the heart to tell him I could already get myself a free Slurpee whenever I wanted, so I just said yes and let him think he had discovered a loophole that made my day better and kinda basked in his genuinely sweet gesture.
A lot of wildfire fighters are prisoners, which is horrible from a moral standpoint and I don't know if they'd be allowed to go to a convenience store, but I like the idea that that's what happened
@@justjamminjazzy nobody said anything about saving people, but I didn't know if they'd be allowed to go to a store because they're technically in prison and they might not have the freedom to go do anything other than their job. When I said prisoner I meant Current prisoner, not like ex convicts
@@poodychulak That's actually true, I think he was talking about the 4th amendment. Cops have to have a warrant, a reason, and a badge to search a premise sometimes, and there are times when they forget one of those things, and you have to file against them after they're done with the investigation.
You're 110% right about the police ignoring stolen goods. My aunt had $12,000 stolen from her and we called the police; meanwhile my 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER looked at my aunts bank statement, did some digging online, and found that the person who stole the money didn't do a good job hiding their tracks. My daughter knew precisely where the woman who stole the money lived, when she stole it, and where she spent it. My kid did most of the work and the police said that they had to investigate the matter further before any legal action could be taken and we decided to play along and nothing ever came of it. :|
When my friend's iphone was stolen, we were able to trace it back to a single house using the 'where's my phone' thing, and the cops would not even knock on the guy's door. Had to confront the thief himself with zero police help. They just filed a report.
But this isn't what all police are like. This is like the minute amount that are total shit, and if you did have the info, you could've taken the person to court. I'm not saying "You're a dumbass, you should've done this blah blah blah" but that was something you could've done, and those idiot police would been fired.
I got raped by a neighbor when he broke into my home, and when I told police, they refused to take a police report and told me to "just not talk to him anymore". (i never talked to him before, he also stole my phone)
I fel really bad giving this a thumbs up, even though I'm sure you understand the meaning of a thumbs up in this context. Anyway, I hope you're doing OK.
In my mind, any cop caught with a body can off should immediately have any and all citations revoked and any violence he perpetrated should be convicted as though an ordinary citizen had done it. If a cop has a body cam off nothing they do should count as a cop.
@Focux Bullshit. There are multiple cases where they have been found doing so. Hell many police unions fight to make bodycams AN OPTION across the country in America.
@Focux ANY cops turning their cameras off at all is a problem. And the fact that the cops that do this and far worse are protected by the system they represent is a symptom of how corrupt this all is.
@Focux No, it doesn't hurt the cops. This view of the world is far removed from reality when we've seen cases of cops not only protesting against the use of body cameras, but turning their cameras off with no reprecussions. The reason the cameras were even proposed in the first place is because of police using unnecessary and deadly force. The cameras were never there to help cops, they're a half measure to protect citizens from police violence. I expect that if an officer turns off a device that is meant to hold them accountable, that they be treated as a civillian who has turned off their law-required tracking device. Like a house arrest cuff. No one turns off somwthing that is meant to make sure they are doing the right thing unless they don't want us to see them doing wrong.
in Kentucky it is illegal to sleep on the sidewalk without a valid street address. why one would do that when they have a house confuses me but who cares.
people camping outside Apple stores ahead of a product launch.. that's the only example I can think of. maybe taking a nap while waiting for a train or a bus?
@@kaitlyn__L Sounds about right actually. "Hey, they're breaking a law! Oh, wait, it's going to get the rich even more rich if we don't intervene? Never mind, we'll fix that" Fucking over the poor and making sure that the rich actively are benefited by law is a large portion of their job after all.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread--Anatole France
I've called the police 5 times in my life. 1. I received death threats from an unknown number. The police showed up, looked at the messages, wrote a report, and never followed up afterward. 2. I witnessed a hit and run in the parking lot of a public park. The 911 operator said "that's private property (it wasn't), so we can't do anything about it." 3. I heard gunshots down the street. The police later called back and said they didn't find anything, and just left. 4. More gunshots down the street a few months later. I never heard back, and never saw the police even drive through the neighborhood. 5. Even more gunshots again a few months later. Just like #4, the police never even showed up to check the area. I've since seen another hit and run, and have heard more gunshots go off in my neighborhood, but I don't even bother calling anymore.
@@Dr.Iggulden_ND By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
I am often reminded of a post on anarchy101: _"You know you're an anarchist when people are asking you how you plan to resolve and mediate violence and crime more often than they do the police."_
Fair, fair. I guess for my personal part I get curious because I don't like the idea of going from a system that doesnt work to one that might work? like, I definitely want to replace the police force but the argument of "why are you complaining so much, at least they're not cops" isn't comforting if there's still a big risk of the new system also incentivizing bigotry and complacency. I'd rather know going in if the system we're about to instate will work with relatively few holes, is all.
@@TurnipCartthe fear of things getting worse is weaponised by the powerful against the oppressed. The new system will be built in the specific material conditions in which it emerges, so there's not going to be concrete answers until that happens.
@@brianriff8550Well, mathematically speaking, which is a better wager: guaranteed not good or possibly good? Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good.
I called the cops once, after a woman got beaten up at a bus stop and the assailant ran away. Cops did nothing. A week later my metal band is playing at a college Halloween party, they saw fit to send three squad cars. Priorities, right?
As someone who used to work in law enforcement, I expected to take a bit more issue with this video, but I have to say, it's pretty dead on. Good job, and definitely one of the better videos to share to bring across these points. Also now I really want Tim Hortons, so thanks for that.
Agreed. The title and 1 sentence phrase is almost impossible to not knee-jerk hate. But the arguments within are all ones that I myself already have or agree with. The problem is that anything that's more complicated than 1 sentence hardly ever gains traction with the ignorant public so... good luck actually having anything come of this sentiment unless a virtually single issue politician wants to rally behind it. (Unlikely)
@@freelance_commie I respect the cops and I'm not 14, maybe you should learn to do something with your life other than being a bitch to the folks who protect us
The turning point for me was learning that the supreme court of the usa has ruled that the cops don't have a constitutional duty to protect people. That's buckwild.
@@starrynight1165 yeah it came about when that cop stayed outside a school during a mass shooting. Court decided that he didn't have to go in and put himself in danger to protect people.
@@lubrjavo I can't find a "name" for the ruling but google "supreme court rules police have no duty to protect" and you get a case from 2005 and from the parkland mass shooting.
@@goobadooba1967 It's not a joke. Some people put triple parentheses around the names of Jews. It makes it look as if otherwise unrelated people are part of some big hidden conspiracy.
We're in the middle of the worst housing crisis in the history of the Republic in Ireland. 10,000 people are homeless, with something like a quarter of those are children. To highlight the amount of residential property that's being left vacant by landlords who will make more money selling them on the cusp of the next property bubble, activists in Dublin have been occupying and residing in some of them. A few weeks ago, an unmarked van pulled up outside one of these occupied buildings, slap bang in the middle of the city. A police van escorted this unmarked one. People wearing balaclavas left the unmarked van and entered the building, removing the activists within by force while members of the riot police also wearing balaclavas stood between the entrance to the building and protesters outside. Not all of the police had their ID numbers visible - which are a mandatory part of their uniform while on-duty. It's illegal for any vehicle to be on the road without license plates in Ireland. If the men who entered the building were not private security, it's illegal for them to assault members of the public. If they were private security, it's illegal for them to not have ID on display. The police in Ireland aided and abetted a number of crimes, and arrested 6 people who protested these crimes.
Did they protect the van? Just imagining them trying to report damage to the insurance company while staying secretive about it. Fun fact: If someone were to flatten 3 of the tires, insurance usually only covers 4. So they either have to cover it themselves or flatten the last one. Wouldn't it be a shame to catch them flattening the last tire and get them charged with insurance fraud? That's assuming this isn't an unmarked police vehicle, something that would require an official report to repair. Filed by a person legally aloud to make such a report.
@Joe Average You're so triggered, you have to whine that someone respects the folk who help. Do something useful with your life and move in, that was a year ago
So would you rather not have cops. Would you rather have thousands of people die because there’s no one to protect , them would you rather have a school shooter go unstopped until everyone in that school is dead?
And if they somehow get the wrong house, as the police often do, at least you'll get an actual apology and a free smoke detector check. The chances of them axing you to death are also low.
@@william21186 I think the key word is "surprised". Cops bust down the wrong door quite often - and too often, the home owner becomes a victim of the cops. Not a very nice surprise. Meanwhile, if a fire fighter breaks down the wrong door, you get an apology.
Fun fact: The word "sheriff" comes from "Shire reeve," a person tasked with collecting "food taxes" from poor feudal farmers on behalf of their feudal lord.
@@xCorvus7x Its funny that you don't see an agent of a system that keeps the bourgeoisie in power and oppresses the proletariat on the threat of violence whilst simultaneously stealing the value of their labor as something that is inherently corrupt. "Just doing my job," didn't work at the Nuremberg Trials and I'm not buying it here either.
@@adamplentl5588 I thought this comment thread had established that this corruption was inherent to the office of the sheriff. The common narrative points this corruption out as if it was not. By speaking of the corrupt sheriff instead of just of the sheriff it is implied that the corruption is an issue seperate from his sheriffhood. My statement that he was 'just doing his job' is not meant as an excuse, but to express that this corruption was perfectly normal for his profession. My apologies if this wasn't clear.
@danielbutler By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
I don't believe this for a second. I buy food for homeless people in my area all the time, since there's a heroin problem near where I live and I don't want to indirectly support it. I have never been fined and I have never heard of anyone being fined
@God Usoland you clearly don't understand the situation around where I live, since you don't know where I live. the likelihood that a homeless person wants money for something that isn't heroin (or crack) is virtually 0. if someone needs insulin, I always have the time to sit down with them, pull out my phone, and figure out a way to get insulin for them. this has *never* happened, because no homeless person has ever asked me for money for medicine. (it's always food)
Its because they couldn’t take all the bricks and molotov cocktails thrown at them like me dad. I hope he makes it to retirement because if he dies by BLM hands...
Abt the 8 minute mark, I was reminded of when I got my first job at Arbys, I was told we give discounts for public service but the time I tried to give a firefighter half off the GM told me don’t do that again and we only do it for the cops so the cars are in the lot more. I genuinely would’ve preferred the firefighters bc they never tried to intimidate me or my coworkers.
Ikr, I'd love to give free coffee to firefighters! 🤗 In 2001-2002, I worked recovery at the WTC Site, and because people could tell we were Site workers from the way we were dressed and dust-covered, we got offered free coffee whenever we left the Site. Some of us were firefighters, but many of us were just disaster-relief volunteers like me. So I remember thinking -- why don't the firefighters ALWAYS get free coffee? Coffee isn't terribly expensive, and if it's free for cops, why not free for firefighters as a regular thing?
When a robber shows-up at your store at 10PM to rob you, the fireman would help him carry the cash outside. The police officer might actually do something useful to PREVENT you from being robbed....but that "critical thinking" thing must be hard, when your career aspirations involve fast-food service...
@ is someone an idiot for not being able to spell "basic" English? i don't believe so. and even if it did make someone an idiot, you dont even know if OP's first language is English, or if they just didnt reread their comment before posting but actually know how to spell useful
Those agencies can’t really violate your privacy unless you are suspected of a crime. And they never do violate your rights, they stick to every single line in the constitution when they enforce the law. If you want a world without these agencies, I hope you like a pretty fucked up nation.
@@unoriginalclips9923 Uh.... no. They do not stick to "every single line in the Constitution". They violate the Fourth Amendment regularly, and they're allowed to do so with the power of the Patriot Act.
@@unoriginalclips9923 that's not true, it has been known for years that they are commonly violating civilian rights, along with international human rights. And have been many times used to unlawfully harm or destroy democracy around the world.
FYI, if you wanna use the Law & Order font: it's called Friz Quadrata which is a proprietary font, but you can get a free lookalike font called Quadrat Serial. The reason why L&O uses Friz Quadrata is because the NYPD used the font in their documents.
@@ldh3306 lol people are starting to recognize me, now? I didn't make her up. She's a real person. I just do a lot of imagining about the girlfriend part xP
This is so ghetto. Do we really need _another_ law saying cops are _required_ to leave body cams on? Can we make it a law to automatically punish them if their camera coincidentally turns off during altercations with citizens?
It is an awful place though, and it extends its way down to its customer base who are known for treating the staff like total shit because you've got a lot of middle aged to elderly people who have little self identity having given themselves over to the machine of capitalism their whole lives and Tim Horton's has been propagandized as some Canadian icon, and it makes people feel extra entitled and angry when they come into THEIR place(Timmies) and aren't treated with the exact amount of deference they are owed or someone dared to make a mistake. For the elderly, I feel a bit bad because it's the one place they come to socialize, but they are often very difficult to deal with but they are left with so little after they retired because they don't have a lot of identity outside of consumerism and traditional family values(and a lot of their families are fractured with grandchildren too busy keeping a roof over their heads to call grandma too often).They also often are living far poorer retirements than they were promised their whole lives as well. I actually despise customer service because it encourages entitled narcissism, but sometimes it comes from a place of pain, because that alienation really got a hold of them compared to some.
Yes I liked the vid, even tho I don't entirely agree with the anarchist bent. He should have mentioned the McArthur killings a few minutes earlier, tho. I would have been less jokey with my other comments. I'm half wondering if I should delete some of those, now. Hipster eulogies are always so confusing and awkward for me :&
One time my family and I went to Tim Hortons at 3 am and there was this creepy dude who was oddly formal looking and he got kicked out and was marching down the street yelling at no one
one can only assume he was talking about the band Descendents, known for the song "'Merican," which touches on the topic of the militarization of the police
This was so good!! One lil question I have: investigating murder and other such things is often a very technical and scientific job. In your rotating communal police situation, would there still need to be permanent forensic staff on hand? Also another lil q: would these communal police still be allowed to use violent force in various situations?
I know I'm not the one being asked, but I'd say yes, absolutely. Detective/investigative work, to some degree, is also something that not just anyone can do and can require years and years of experience to become truly proficient at. So it would make sense to have some people that do that and mostly that when on duty. But especially when it comes to the forensic side, it only makes sense to have people who are already well trained in the field doing the task. But that could still take a number of forms. As far as violence goes, I'd say the body camera thing would be non negotiable and violence should only be used in defense of self or others and shouldn't escalate (like fleeing shouldn't get someone shot in the back and punching shouldn't lead to shot in the neck and chest 17 times, etc). If ya have to tackle, tap with a car, pepper spray/tase a fleeing/fighting violent offender then do so. There are other non or less lethal options as well like beanbag rounds, water bullets, and several types of live ammo that are incredibly soft, small or in pellets that could be used to stop a violent offender trying to run (ammo types that are meant to do minimal soft tissue damage and won't ricochet between bones or break them and generally won't make it to organs, just shallow, painful flesh wounds). There's also the option of taking less lethal shots unlike police today that are largely trained to use lethal force to stop evasion, which is absolute insanity. A bag snatcher gets shot in the back and that's somehow "justice"? One of the biggest things would be the deescalation of situations though. And not making them significantly worse which is something we've seen time and time again. Most cops never pull their gun. The one's that do almost never shoot. But when they shoot, they are trained to shoot to kill. Avoiding that and leaving that kind of shooting to only very rare and extreme situations would go a long way. Policing of any kind will always come with danger and people that aren't willing to accept that danger and risk getting shot over harming a mentally ill person acting in a way they perceive as dangerous or innocent person who has nothing to do with why they're there do not need to be doing the work.
@@VitruvianEngineer compared to the overwhelming amount of bad cop videos that go viral. I doubt its propaganda. If the police were actually trying to use propaganda they'd use bad cop videos and make excuses for them and I have yet to see any excuses made for cops.
@@WhiteCloudProductions what...? No. Copaganda is having cops dance with community members, it's doing lipsync videos with the department. Copaganda is used in an attempt to make you forget the murderous bullshit bad cop videos. Copaganda is not taking a bad video...and making rebuttal videos. AND They make excuses all the time for these cops. If you think they dont then you just dont pay attention
I used to work at a library where the upstairs staff (director, catalogers, etc.) that had seniority would call police on a hair trigger. I started keeping an ear out for incidents that were reported, found the person at the center of it and gave them a heads up. 9 times out of 10 it was someone with a mental health issue (the other 1 time was just an oblivious asshat). Eventually the people I worked for started having my direct supervisor send me in to de-escalate problems because they didn't want the publicity of always having police called to the library and they didn't want to provide security. Working at that job taught me both how unnecessary police are, and just who it is they're protecting.
bhsWD96, one day when one of those crazy guys gets you in a choke hold and takes a knife to you, you might be happy to see a cop. Yeah, I know, that could *never* happen because all crazy people are cool.
+IncognitoTorpedo When they're too pussy to be able to deal with a 12 year old without tasing them, I don't see them being much help. Wearing a badge has become the same kind of shorthand that a falsetto and fainting spells were years ago.
@@josephissus247 They actively *choose* to not only participate within, but facilitate the broken system. Fuck the system, but also, and I can't stress this enough, fuck the people that actively prop up and defend the system (i.e. the cops)
The terrible people are not the ones who support heroes who protect and serve their community. The horrible people are the people who support murder, rapists, drug dealing and any other crime.
I'm white and my dad tolde to never talk to police I'm the 1970s it's saved my hide. Anything you say can and will be used against you so why would you want to talk to them
Mine failed to give me the "talk" officially. I just got stories from him about being pulled over in rural areas and told that he was driving too nice a car for a n*****, or seeing him shaken after being manhandled by cops who thought he was someone else. I didn't really make the connection until I was old enough for cops to see me as a threatening adult (12) and getting in trouble for shit such as jogging home or sitting suspiciously.
Yeah, so I've had some trepidation about agreeing with the titular sentiment of this video, but after finally watching it and hearing your points, you've eliminated any reservations I had on the matter. The "good" cops are not good so long as they uphold a fundamentally corrupt system, and we need an alternative form of law enforcement provided with actual incentive to protect and serve. Of course, there's so much more to reform. It's hard to know where to start.
Money for the people is where we start. If money equals power and power equals safety we start with money. Our people cant stand for themselves against the system if the system effectively owns them. There is no freedom in poverty, only desperation and bad options.
I've changed my mind. Upon further reflection and research into giving money to the people, its actually not going to help long term. What we NEED to do is ditch the monetary system all together. The powerful have ALWAYS used money against the people. Always. Every monetary system that is put in place serves the few at the expense of the many. And the one we have now deems the planet we live on to be expendable. Doing something the same way over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity. We are all suffering from mass insanity if we keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting the outcome to magically be different. Its NEVER going to be different. If we insist on clinging to the illusion of money we are dooming ourselves AND our planet to a horrible death. Those in power have had THOUSANDS of years to prove they will act differently. At this point it's safe to say they NEVER will. Ditch money, reclaim our humanity, save our planet. The answer is so simple almost none of us can see it. But that's our answer. And really, it's the ONLY answer that makes sense.
12:30 "I was only following orders" applies even less to cops than it did to the nazis as many of them were conscripts , while every cop chooses that job with millions of alternatives.
@@kekistanimememan170 - in poor states as in countries that may be the case, i don't think it's true in the USA given how many jobs exist and how relatively selective the police are. There's a lot of alternatives in America and it's mostly not the poor who become cops
I’ve always said that almost any time I or someone I know called the police for a legitimate reason received little to no help. I’ve met a few nice police but usually there’s nothing that they can do to get your property back because they’re not paid for investigating. That’s a large part of why they love drug crimes; in drug crimes the evidence is conveniently the crime as well. Being a police officer SHOULD BE a noble profession that we can all look up to. Until that happens, we need to reform the system or scrap it for something else.
I remember some comrades of ours who squatted in a coloured shopping street in Amsterdam. In between work and other activities, they'd spend a lot of their time sitting outside the building talking and smoking. When they were ordered to leave by the state, people in the neighbourhood told them they'd be missed because they liked having the friendly form of social control they brought to the streets. It was felt as a relief compared to the agressive and fear-inducing police.
@ForageGrass By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
The idolization of police unaccountability in most cop movies is why Hot Fuzz is my favorite movie about police. The main character of Hot Fuzz is portrayed as being heroic because he does all of his paperwork, follows all proper procedures, and captures criminals using non-lethal methods. Nicholas Angel never kills a single person in that movie. He actually does what police are supposed to do. That's the movie I want to inspire the next generation of police.
The system doesn't solve problems. The system creates problems and then invents ways to make money fighting the symptoms of those problems without ever addressing the actual problem.
But the system has the capacity to solve problems, and tearing the system down will create different problems we won't be able to solve? Yes? Or am I just a thickhead?
@Focux dependent on what you use to quantify the testosterone hormones (Mass or volume) the layers of bootlicking you are on could vary between one and a billion.
@Focux lol. So the reason YOU think I have hatred towards cops is incest and substance abuse. Your comment is ambiguous because you either accuse me of substance abuse and incestuas ancestry or yourself. Logic suggests you mean yourself hence your stupidity.
Probably the only viable challenge to "community policing" mechanisms is the question of how to secure minority rights in majoritarian systems. A community where the majority of people are bigoted would not, for example, recall a police force that was violating minority rights. This criticism applies to all majoritarian system though (including current democratic systems)... so there probably will have to be external guidelines and enforcement mechanisms that override community will. Curious to hear your thoughts on this.
I had a part about this but I cut it for time. People always ask this, but how does the current model address this problem? Seems to me like eroding power structures and democratizing the rules would only benefit minorities because they (like everyone else) would have a seat at the table. Centralized police forces have universally been shitty to minorities everywhere they exist. Our current system has the same problem you pointed out, but people just ignore it because it's the status quo.
I guess I was hoping for something more mechanical. Our current system does indeed have this problem (as I mentioned), but I don't think this is fixed by de-scaling the system. In the US, much of the anti-slavery/anti-lynching enforcement (however shitty) came from a centralized state in opposition to local racist governors, sheriffs and posses. "States' rights" was and is an attempt to decentralize the system in order to enforce more racist local attitudes in contradiction to federal statutes.
I'm with XRXaholic on this one, sure the current policing system is quite bad for minorities, especially when you define minorities as purely ethnic. It's a longtime problem within leftist thought, the proletarian rage needed to fuel revolution also tends to be bigoted as fuck, not just against racial minorities, but against pretty much anyone who is not sufficiently like the majority. Say what you want about centralized state power, but it tends to value order above everything else. The American federal government was the only entity fighting the KKK at one time, even dicks like J Edgar Hoover hated them. These aren't just small isolated communities either, it's pretty much everything outside of major metro areas who would much rather be without blacks, latinx, atheists, and just educated people a lot of the time (we saw the better educated get butchered in places like Cambodia and China). Anarchism has no mechanism to protect against this, other than, as Kirby above me described, more death and violence and civil war, and given history I don't buy the idea that the west is different in this regard.
6:30 know your rights huh. The Clash did a good song on those "You have the right not to be killed Murder is a crime Unless it was done By a policeman"
Actually, during the student crisis in 2012 in Quebec, police used horses to keep order. They were following us, blocking roads, etc. Some people got injured by horses.
If it's literally impossible for someone to be anything but a criminal, then we can't be mad at them for being a criminal. If it's possible for someone to not be a criminal, we should help them accomplish that. Beautifully said. Perfectly sums up the problems with incarceration.
Huge props to people for being able to change their mind. This is thread necromancy as hell but if there's any chance any of you see that I wanted to say it.
or people who understand why it's not a good thing to fire ALL the cops due to 1000 died to due to police brutality in 2017 and there are estimated to be 750,000 cops so that sounds like a minority of cops to me
@@Abaudahdine I actually watched the whole video he does not show any statistics and proof on the video only some CNN and new york times reports which is so biased against the right and most of his sources on the description are on the left wing side just because he talks on the narrative you like it does not mean its crystal clear or 100% correct
@@ruslad1991 Are you calling CNN, CBC, WashPost, ACLU and NYTimes left wing sources? I mean, they may not be on the right, but they're definitely not on the left either! Now of course if you consider everything left of Republicans to be left wing, that's another story, a story of someone who has a very limited grasp of political sciences' basics. Also, History is History, whether you like it or not; the institution of the police is derived from slave catching patrols and strike breakers, the institution is and has always been a milicia for the wealthy and powerful, that's exactly what the video is saying. Those are not statistics, they are historical facts. Now if you wish to buy a different narrative and build your own alternate reality around it, if you want to build your own kayfabe, that's your choice, but the facts and reasoning have been presented here.
I aM just let people recognize similarities between creators. Almost no -esque comparisons reference the inventors. Things aren't even named after their inventors most of the time. You think Vertigo was the first time someone used a Vertigo zoom?
I'm... not sure I'm sold on community defence. What happens if one community feels protecting one of its own is more important than responding to the harm they might have done to another community? Do all communities have a soft agreement to just Totally Get Along and Share Info and such? Cos, uh, I mean... otherwise its a neighbourhood watch program. And, uh, like, sometimes they turn into gangs?
That's kind of a small scale version of what I understand Slime's point to be about cops as they currently exist. Though that's not to say it isn't a valid concern, of course. I would imagine there would still be a need for a national police force and some sort of civilian oversight committee to audit community defense orgs. It might actually be easier to audit them if they didn't have the kind of funding and PR logistics available to modern police forces. That being said, while small communities are largely self-policing anyway ( and the police know this; the RCMP has a habit of sending its green new recruits to rural communities that basically don't need them at all, for example) it becomes a bit more complicated in a city of millions.
Thank you for the response! I'm on board with a lot of anarchist ideas, I'm just generally confused by the policing bit since it seems to be police but better, locally and without using the word, as well as the, uh, amount of personal action it seems to take to be involved in a society (which I can't take readily due to disabilities).
@Ciar K I think there are definitely different degrees of bad when it comes to policing. There are a good few police forces in the world that kill fewer people in a year than American cops do on an average day, for instance, and justice systems that are far less incarceral. But slime is right that pretty much everywhere, cops end up being a force that protects the rich from the poor in most circumstances, and also the concept of police forces usually attracts the sort of people who probably shouldn't be police officers. I tend to think that it is good that a monopoly on violence be maintained somehow, but realistically even the current system is kind of a compromise in that regard, with authority to use violence being devolved and parceled out to various organizations and individuals, so a better compromise should theoretically be possible.
@@GreetingsField, I think there's always going to be some risk involved in giving some people more means to commit violence than others. We see that with modern police, and we'd probably still see it to some degree with voluntary community defense forces (that really needs a catchier name...) I think what's important is that whatever systems we build to fill that role of protecting individuals and communities takes that reality into account and does everything it can to mitigate the potential for corruption. Some options include: - Democratically electing "police officers" (depending on the demographics of the area, this might need to require a strong majority in order to make sure that minority populations also agree with that individual being given power.) - Giving the community the ability to recall/fire "police officers." - Giving "police officers" term limits, and rotating "officers" through their organizational structure (so as to help avoid one cop becoming the leader of all the rest). - Establishing strong oversight institutions run by the community as a whole. - Peeling off most law enforcement responsibilities to other, _explicitly separate,_ groups (like social workers, mental healthcare providers, conflict mediators, forensic scientists, trained investigators, prosecutors, etc.) and reserving "police officers" to only be deployed to deal with violent or potentially violent emergencies. - (This one may be somewhat controversial, but it's an option) Decentralizing the use of violence by allowing individuals within the community to act in their own defense to the same degree that a "police officer" would be allowed. In other words, allowing them to carry the same sort of weaponry and authorizing them to use that weaponry in the same ways that "police" are (with the understanding that they would also be held to the same degree of scrutiny and subject to the same regulations by the community). So basically everyone would be allowed to be a "police officer" in their spare time if they wanted to, but only some people would be specifically employed full time to be "police officers" for the community. Not all of those should necessarily be adopted (some kind of contradict each other), but none of them really exist in modern police institutions, at least not to the degree where it would really make a difference.
Third party ombudsman-ship by an unaffiliated group agreed upon by both parties and to whose opinion both agree to bow to under penalty of a pre-determined "punishment" from reneging.
As public officials, accepting gifts could be construed as taking bribes, legally speaking. Cops in my area try to turn down free stuff, but we'd insist for the nice ones (like all of my pleasant customers).
Last time I had an encounter with a cop, it was when my car broke down in the middle of the 400, and holy shit like 4 cops just drove by me and left me stranded in the middle of a highway. Thanks guys 🙃 Great video slime! Btw, loved the raccoons
To be fair, that's not at all a cop's job (even the hypothetical cop replacement's in this video), and if there were 4 whole cop cars driving by in a such a short amount of time, its quite possible they were heading to something serious.
That is why in Utah police are required to render assistance to disabled vehicles; well its specifically because it gets cold as balls in the winter there and break downs meant people kept freezing to death before the policy went into effect.
@@YeeMacghyee If it's in the middle of a road, especially a highway, cops absolutely have a duty of care. That sort of thing could cause huge disruption or even major accidents and death. They're not there to fix the car, they're there to prevent accidents. In the uk, if you break down on a main highway/motorway, even if you've managed to pull to the side, you're supposed to always call the cops and let them know you've broken down on a main roadway. Most the time they'll send a vehicle out to park behind you with blue lights until some sort of recovery vehicle arrives. This is the case if you break down on a smaller road too and are in a pretty cagey position, say you're on a minor road but broken down right on a blind corner where someone might collide with you, or your vehicle has crashed and blocked a road.
Not exactly an "encounter" then, and they probably avoided getting pestered by an insecure jabroni and their Iphone during an emergency. Of course, hypocritically bashing cops while still relying on their aid is pretty stale by now.
the prison system in norway is like what you said. shows like orange is the new black show how badly inmates are treated and it makes sense on why they go back to crime. don't get me started on the american prison system. they treat them like they aren't even human. they're beaten, raped, starved, tortured, murdered by the guards and they can't get help or report these people because as soon as they're convicted, they have there rights stripped away from them. it makes me sick
Thought ya might like to know I used this video to educate a stranger on the Internet who thought acab was a generalisation and actually managed to change their mind! You video helped me do the impossible :') keep up the good work comrade
I mean Thucicydes said it in like 500 B.C.: "The strong do what they may, and the weak suffer what they must." (He was criticizing Athenian hypocrisy here, it's not a position he was actually advocating)
You have the greatest surreal sense of humor I can't even describe, but it's like you've deconstructed the concept of jokes themselves and then abstracted it, but then drop some really thoughtful insights. And I'm all here for it. I've been on a binge watching Thought Slime and Scaredy Cats a lot these days. Good stuff.
I'm Australian. Last year in my city we had a big protest for climate change stuff, and part of that was forming a human barricade in front of a building so that some mining people couldn't get to their conference. The police proceeded to RIDE THEIR HORSES INTO THE BARRICADE. There was also a cop that covered their camera with a sticker saying something like "die hippie". People were outraged of course, you can't fucking run people over with horses? So how did the state government respond? Commended them of course!
Yikes! That's dangerous for y'all and also dangerous for the poor horses, who didn't choose to be used that way. I HATE when people use horses and dogs that way. They're just trying to please the humans whom they love and trust.
ANYTIME anyone in a tv show/movie says "If you've not done anything wrong then you don't have anything to hide", I always think of the same quote: “The Axiom ‘Honest men have nothing to fear from the police’ is currently under review by the Axioms Review Board.” - Terry Pratchett - Men At Arms
"that song has some pretty homophobic lyrics in it" also ice cube is antisemetic. hes posted the black cube worship thing inside the star of david AND has atleast on one occasion rapped about it. "you let a jew break up our crew" for one
He said in an interview back in the 90s that the line had nothing to do with him being Jewish and all to do with the rhyme scheme or something along those lines. However there is no doubt that he was homophobic back in the NWA days so who knows
My city (Phoenix, AZ) doesn’t even have a civilian oversight committee since the city council keeps rejecting attempts to form it. Phoenix PD is also reliably one of the most violent police departments in the US, according to officer-involved shooting statistics.
"If we hold our current system up to the same scrutiny that we hold potential alternatives, we'd conclude, that it's impossible and could never work." Very well said, but that argument applies not just to our justice system, but to our economic and political system as well. Our monkey brains tend to be biased towards the ideas, that don't force us to change. You could call it bias in favor of laziness. I'm a major procrastinator, so I'm very familiar with that phenomenon. You wouldn't believe, how great I am with finding arguments against washing my dishes regularly, even if the disadvantages of not having clean dishes outweigh all of those, easily. People are so eager to point to all the things that could go wrong trying to establish an alternative to capitalism and are quick to dismiss anyone promoting change that goes beyond the same old reforms. And that is not just frustrating, it's also baffling considering, that many, maybe even most people today think, that mankind won't survive another hundred, let alone thousand years. This shows a) how little faith they have in the sustainability of the current system and b) how little they'd actually have to lose by trying something different. If the end of days is near, anyway, why not give communism a try? And while they decry revolutionary ideas by condemning the POTENTIAL horrors, that a revolution could bring, they ignore all the ACTUAL horrors, that occur every day, every minute and every second under capitalism.
In light of recent events, I came here to learn more about the policing system, and I'm very happy I did! The video was clear, concise and I liked your sources. Thank you for making this, I will definitely be directing more people to this video!
Ever since I did that research for a tabletop RPG campaign where my search phrases included 'how hard is a head shot', 'what are the most common calibre weapon in the US' and 'how to make explosives', I am probably already on any number of watch lists. It would certainly explain the black van that has been parked across the street from me the past two months...
You're just living the American Dream, they won't bother you. They have potheads and homeless to arrest, they don't have time for white people with guns.
@@drnanard9605 They tend to avoid people with guns - period. Why? Because they can fight back, something your average pig doesn't know how to deal with that...
derpy druid I’ve seen pigs operate - they rarely engage a target without a numerical advantage and almost exclusively stick to targets that can’t effectively resist them.
@@cookingwithtool159 I don't know about where you live, but I never see pigs move in groups less than two - and I've seen them call for more swine in situations that me and mine could easily handle on our own (such as getting drunks off the street - if you can't handle yourself against some one with impaired vision and reflexes, what you doing out there?).
A lot of people can't picture what society would work without police and tbh until recently I wasn't really on board with the abolitionist position. Thanks for the video it was very compelling!!
Interestingly, you might be surprised to hear that until around the 1970s/1960s, prison abolition was actually a somewhat mainstream political position in America - even among some conversatives.
You hear about the "Great day" Trimp the bunker hiding wimp was talking about? This fucking orange turd with yellow grass on it is sooooo fucking done. It ends badly for you you nazi boot licking fucking loser.
Little do people know "Gangs" are entirely legal It's called freedom of association It's only the actions done independently (or in the name of such groups) are often illegal
Are you genuinely re+arded? Not a joke are you mentally Okay. If a big corporation does something bad you think it's just one guy's fault, obviously no. There's a difference between a baking club and a mob, A gang is implicitly formed for criminal purposes. I'm assuming you're okay with Neo-Nazi militias and the KKK. Personally, I think the kkk is bad and I'm glad when the cops break them up.
There aren't a few bad apples in the police force that spoil the bunch. There are a few good apples on the top of the barrel that makes it seem the barrel is full of good apples.
and they're the ones on top because the media is constantly digging through the barrel looking for good looking apples and if the apples have a rotten side they carefully put that side away from the camera.
@Danny Boy Jango ok. So let's have a look at this apple. No rot visible but hey - the apple is super cool working right alongside this rotten apple. Yep that's a bad apple right there. If we follow this procedure we can see that, in fact, all apples are bad because they all are happy to be in the barrel full of rotten apples.
I //love// that you mention the apple analogy, especially because it can be logically taken a step further. The real idiom "one bad apple spoils the bunch" is true because apples (and most fruit but whatever) release chemicals that speed up the decay of other apples. Quite literally, by having one bad apple, it increases the odds of the other apples spoiling as well. It may have started as one bad cop, but it doesn't take long to corrupt a whole precinct (*cough* the lying bitches unit *cough*)
My initial reaction was the one you'd expect from a white, middle-class person conditioned to live in a policed world. 5 mins into this video (and, ok, 33 years of being female and Hispanic helped) and I am a new person.
Even though I don't agree with every small detail, I've always wondered if there was a way to both abolish the current policing system and still not just let people get raped, murdered and robbed and you've really helped answer those questions. Guess now I know what I plan on showing to all of my friends
This is nothing to do with the content of the video, but I just wanted to say that the lighting for this one is absolutely superb! I love that you took the time to get the blue and red perfectly split down your face, it's really striking and is such a cool effect. Bravo Slime Lord!
It is also illegal to commit suicide meaning that if someone attempts suicide and fails or was going to commit suicide but then chose not to or was stopped then they can go to prison instead of getting the required help such as financial help, mental help etc. There are all sort of ways in which innocent and often vulnerable people are criminalised for their situation. Some people have been put in jail for attempting to commit suicide rather than getting the help they desperately need.
The "there's rules for them, then there's rules for us" bit really gave me "the system works for them" (by Aus-Rotten) vibes, and that made this video so much better
Police are enforcers for the bourgeois, but they remain proletariat at the end of the day. It is rather ironic that the strongest unions in the US tend to be in the public sector. My brother is a racist Trumpy law enforcer, but he's deep in the union and votes for Democrats at the state level because they support paying them more. It's not contradictory at all if you just factor in self-interest.
Former 7-11 employee here. We were allowed to give police, firefighters and paramedics free drinks. Doctors and nurses too, but they rarely accepted the offer. The attitude of the different professions when accepting their free drink was interesting to me. The majority of the cops always acted unsurprised and entitled. Like they expected it and already knew they deserved it. The firefighters almost always asked "are you sure?" Or "really?!" And thanked us profusely. The paramedics were the most likely to gratefully accept the free coffee, but pay for the coffee of the person behind them in line.
The best moment of my employment came when a group of very tired, very sweaty, soot covered wildfire fighters came in and I got to tell them they could have any fountain drink or coffee free of charge. One guy smiled and asked "even slurpees?" And I nodded. 12 or so men and women you could tell just finished a very hard day began cheering and celebrating the news they could have a free Slurpee like they'd just been told someone had found the cure for...things being on fire and they would never have to fight one again.
The same guy leaned over the counter like he was being sneaky and said "hey. If I pour you a Slurpee, does that mean you could have a free Slurpee too?" I didn't have the heart to tell him I could already get myself a free Slurpee whenever I wanted, so I just said yes and let him think he had discovered a loophole that made my day better and kinda basked in his genuinely sweet gesture.
A lot of wildfire fighters are prisoners, which is horrible from a moral standpoint and I don't know if they'd be allowed to go to a convenience store, but I like the idea that that's what happened
@@sarahgent2674 I think thats only in california?
@@sarahgent2674 why would they not be allowed to go into a store or help save people?
@@justjamminjazzy nobody said anything about saving people, but I didn't know if they'd be allowed to go to a store because they're technically in prison and they might not have the freedom to go do anything other than their job. When I said prisoner I meant Current prisoner, not like ex convicts
@@sarahgent2674 idk, judging by the horrible way prisoners are treated, they at least deserve a slurpee. And a hug
Former cop here. Legally you are allowed to resist an unlawful arrest. But of course practicality if you resist a cop it's a near death sentence.
Are you retired, or did you leave for a different line of work? Just out of curiosity.
@@teslacoil5697 I wouldn't know, but explain to me how it feels to be a dumbass, the only thing you're an expert in.
Isn't any arrest by an officer legally lawful? You're telling us that you are allowed to do something that doesn't exist
@@poodychulak That's actually true, I think he was talking about the 4th amendment. Cops have to have a warrant, a reason, and a badge to search a premise sometimes, and there are times when they forget one of those things, and you have to file against them after they're done with the investigation.
@@Tejideji4106 I can the smell ad hominem fallacy.
You're 110% right about the police ignoring stolen goods. My aunt had $12,000 stolen from her and we called the police; meanwhile my 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER looked at my aunts bank statement, did some digging online, and found that the person who stole the money didn't do a good job hiding their tracks. My daughter knew precisely where the woman who stole the money lived, when she stole it, and where she spent it. My kid did most of the work and the police said that they had to investigate the matter further before any legal action could be taken and we decided to play along and nothing ever came of it. :|
When my friend's iphone was stolen, we were able to trace it back to a single house using the 'where's my phone' thing, and the cops would not even knock on the guy's door. Had to confront the thief himself with zero police help. They just filed a report.
I don't know if I should hit like to this or not. Regardless, excellent example of the thesis of this video.
That happened to my mom. The police did nothing, her sister in law have some connections with the bank and got my mom's money back.
But this isn't what all police are like. This is like the minute amount that are total shit, and if you did have the info, you could've taken the person to court. I'm not saying "You're a dumbass, you should've done this blah blah blah" but that was something you could've done, and those idiot police would been fired.
Tejas Srirama The institution protects cops that do far worse than this, they won’t be fired.
I got raped by a neighbor when he broke into my home, and when I told police, they refused to take a police report and told me to "just not talk to him anymore". (i never talked to him before, he also stole my phone)
I fel really bad giving this a thumbs up, even though I'm sure you understand the meaning of a thumbs up in this context.
Anyway, I hope you're doing OK.
@@Alan_Duval i wouldnt assume ill intent of anyone liking such a comment.
thank you! im actually much better now, thank you.
@@foxbuns Good to hear! Cheers.
I wish you the best
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In my mind, any cop caught with a body can off should immediately have any and all citations revoked and any violence he perpetrated should be convicted as though an ordinary citizen had done it. If a cop has a body cam off nothing they do should count as a cop.
@Focux Except for when they turn them off to break the law. It's not all cops but some.
@Focux Bullshit. There are multiple cases where they have been found doing so. Hell many police unions fight to make bodycams AN OPTION across the country in America.
@Focux Wow, it's been a while since I've seen someone so proud to be a fucking bootlicker.
@Focux ANY cops turning their cameras off at all is a problem. And the fact that the cops that do this and far worse are protected by the system they represent is a symptom of how corrupt this all is.
@Focux No, it doesn't hurt the cops. This view of the world is far removed from reality when we've seen cases of cops not only protesting against the use of body cameras, but turning their cameras off with no reprecussions. The reason the cameras were even proposed in the first place is because of police using unnecessary and deadly force. The cameras were never there to help cops, they're a half measure to protect citizens from police violence.
I expect that if an officer turns off a device that is meant to hold them accountable, that they be treated as a civillian who has turned off their law-required tracking device. Like a house arrest cuff. No one turns off somwthing that is meant to make sure they are doing the right thing unless they don't want us to see them doing wrong.
in Kentucky it is illegal to sleep on the sidewalk without a valid street address. why one would do that when they have a house confuses me but who cares.
people camping outside Apple stores ahead of a product launch.. that's the only example I can think of. maybe taking a nap while waiting for a train or a bus?
@@kaitlyn__L Sounds about right actually. "Hey, they're breaking a law! Oh, wait, it's going to get the rich even more rich if we don't intervene? Never mind, we'll fix that"
Fucking over the poor and making sure that the rich actively are benefited by law is a large portion of their job after all.
@@longliverocknroll5 very tru
That's a law written to discriminate against the homeless, pure and simple
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread--Anatole France
I've called the police 5 times in my life.
1. I received death threats from an unknown number. The police showed up, looked at the messages, wrote a report, and never followed up afterward.
2. I witnessed a hit and run in the parking lot of a public park. The 911 operator said "that's private property (it wasn't), so we can't do anything about it."
3. I heard gunshots down the street. The police later called back and said they didn't find anything, and just left.
4. More gunshots down the street a few months later. I never heard back, and never saw the police even drive through the neighborhood.
5. Even more gunshots again a few months later. Just like #4, the police never even showed up to check the area.
I've since seen another hit and run, and have heard more gunshots go off in my neighborhood, but I don't even bother calling anymore.
Cops: (Go to supreme court to get a ruling stating that they don't have to save lives)
Also Cops: "We are heroes and should be treated as such!"
@@Dr.Iggulden_ND By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
I am often reminded of a post on anarchy101: _"You know you're an anarchist when people are asking you how you plan to resolve and mediate violence and crime more often than they do the police."_
Fair, fair. I guess for my personal part I get curious because I don't like the idea of going from a system that doesnt work to one that might work? like, I definitely want to replace the police force but the argument of "why are you complaining so much, at least they're not cops" isn't comforting if there's still a big risk of the new system also incentivizing bigotry and complacency. I'd rather know going in if the system we're about to instate will work with relatively few holes, is all.
Ya imagine that, wanting answers from the people determined to tear the system down how they plan to keep shit from getting even worse, god forbid!
@@TurnipCartthe fear of things getting worse is weaponised by the powerful against the oppressed. The new system will be built in the specific material conditions in which it emerges, so there's not going to be concrete answers until that happens.
@@TurnipCartHold the same scrutiny for the people whos fucking you over and failing you daily, how about that?
@@brianriff8550Well, mathematically speaking, which is a better wager: guaranteed not good or possibly good?
Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good.
I called the cops once, after a woman got beaten up at a bus stop and the assailant ran away. Cops did nothing.
A week later my metal band is playing at a college Halloween party, they saw fit to send three squad cars.
Priorities, right?
As someone who used to work in law enforcement, I expected to take a bit more issue with this video, but I have to say, it's pretty dead on. Good job, and definitely one of the better videos to share to bring across these points. Also now I really want Tim Hortons, so thanks for that.
@Focux You're right, I didn't really want Tim Hortons that badly.
Agreed. The title and 1 sentence phrase is almost impossible to not knee-jerk hate. But the arguments within are all ones that I myself already have or agree with. The problem is that anything that's more complicated than 1 sentence hardly ever gains traction with the ignorant public so... good luck actually having anything come of this sentiment unless a virtually single issue politician wants to rally behind it. (Unlikely)
Focux lol this crybaby bootlicker 14 yr old on every comment is cracking me up
Canadifats love their fast food XD
@@freelance_commie I respect the cops and I'm not 14, maybe you should learn to do something with your life other than being a bitch to the folks who protect us
The turning point for me was learning that the supreme court of the usa has ruled that the cops don't have a constitutional duty to protect people. That's buckwild.
Wait wth???!
@@starrynight1165 yeah it came about when that cop stayed outside a school during a mass shooting. Court decided that he didn't have to go in and put himself in danger to protect people.
@@magellanicraincloud what's the name of the ruling.
@@lubrjavo I can't find a "name" for the ruling but google "supreme court rules police have no duty to protect" and you get a case from 2005 and from the parkland mass shooting.
Damn, that's fucked.
Warning: having ethical standards in the United States will probably get you put on a watchlist.
@@tommiethrash do not do this. Not ironically. Not satirically. Not even as a joke. antisemitic dogwhistles are not okay.
@@TurboNemesis I don't get it? What joke am I missing out on??
@@goobadooba1967 triple parentheses were/are used by racists to dogwhistle other racists. They use triple parentheses to indicate antisemitism.
@@sudreyar more importantly, it indicates the user is antisemetic.
@@goobadooba1967 It's not a joke. Some people put triple parentheses around the names of Jews. It makes it look as if otherwise unrelated people are part of some big hidden conspiracy.
But without Cops who will ticket you for a parking violation or arresting you for marijuana!!
Asking all the important questions
You mean who will "extort" or "aggravated kidnap" you for having a plant?
Without pigs, who will the ruling classes send to your door to place you in a concrete box or shoot you for disobeying their arbitrary rules?
Who will you call when someone is breaking into your house.
The Duke My militia associates - assuming that I don’t pump the intruder full of lead first...
We're in the middle of the worst housing crisis in the history of the Republic in Ireland. 10,000 people are homeless, with something like a quarter of those are children. To highlight the amount of residential property that's being left vacant by landlords who will make more money selling them on the cusp of the next property bubble, activists in Dublin have been occupying and residing in some of them.
A few weeks ago, an unmarked van pulled up outside one of these occupied buildings, slap bang in the middle of the city. A police van escorted this unmarked one. People wearing balaclavas left the unmarked van and entered the building, removing the activists within by force while members of the riot police also wearing balaclavas stood between the entrance to the building and protesters outside. Not all of the police had their ID numbers visible - which are a mandatory part of their uniform while on-duty.
It's illegal for any vehicle to be on the road without license plates in Ireland. If the men who entered the building were not private security, it's illegal for them to assault members of the public. If they were private security, it's illegal for them to not have ID on display. The police in Ireland aided and abetted a number of crimes, and arrested 6 people who protested these crimes.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Are you arguing that if someone commits a crime, it isn't illegal to commit a crime where they are the victim?
Did they protect the van? Just imagining them trying to report damage to the insurance company while staying secretive about it. Fun fact: If someone were to flatten 3 of the tires, insurance usually only covers 4. So they either have to cover it themselves or flatten the last one. Wouldn't it be a shame to catch them flattening the last tire and get them charged with insurance fraud? That's assuming this isn't an unmarked police vehicle, something that would require an official report to repair. Filed by a person legally aloud to make such a report.
@Focux legally occupying not invading, big difference
@Joe Average You're so triggered, you have to whine that someone respects the folk who help. Do something useful with your life and move in, that was a year ago
@Joe Average *on
Boy, I'm sure glad you turned out to be wrong and we currently have no problems with the police now. Oh. . . wait.
Oof
@@ultramango1337 Double oof.
So would you rather not have cops. Would you rather have thousands of people die because there’s no one to protect , them would you rather have a school shooter go unstopped until everyone in that school is dead?
Thomas Buckley did you, um, watch the video?
Ultra Mango yes
I’d rather be surprised by firemen busting down my front door to do their job than a cop anytime.
I wouldn't, I'd be standing in a fucking fire without knowing it.
And if they somehow get the wrong house, as the police often do, at least you'll get an actual apology and a free smoke detector check. The chances of them axing you to death are also low.
@@william21186 I think the key word is "surprised". Cops bust down the wrong door quite often - and too often, the home owner becomes a victim of the cops.
Not a very nice surprise. Meanwhile, if a fire fighter breaks down the wrong door, you get an apology.
@@william21186 A fireman will be a physically fit person with an axe and a drive to help people. That sounds like tools to me, my dude.
Yeah man, I wouldn't want to go up against a fireman in bunker gear wielding a halligan bar
Fun fact: The word "sheriff" comes from "Shire reeve," a person tasked with collecting "food taxes" from poor feudal farmers on behalf of their feudal lord.
That's so messed up aaaaaaa
Instant mental image of Robin Hood's Sherriff of Nottingham. The animated Disney version. That was a sad song to lay on kids...
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Damn, the sheriff of Nottingham was not actually a corrupt police officer but just doing his job.
@@xCorvus7x Its funny that you don't see an agent of a system that keeps the bourgeoisie in power and oppresses the proletariat on the threat of violence whilst simultaneously stealing the value of their labor as something that is inherently corrupt.
"Just doing my job," didn't work at the Nuremberg Trials and I'm not buying it here either.
@@adamplentl5588 I thought this comment thread had established that this corruption was inherent to the office of the sheriff.
The common narrative points this corruption out as if it was not.
By speaking of the corrupt sheriff instead of just of the sheriff it is implied that the corruption is an issue seperate from his sheriffhood.
My statement that he was 'just doing his job' is not meant as an excuse, but to express that this corruption was perfectly normal for his profession.
My apologies if this wasn't clear.
The fact that police unions close ranks almost immediately whilst actual labor movements are directly crushed by the cops is galling
One union supports the powerful, the others threaten them. What can we expect?
"crushed" is nice. In several cases of US history, unions and workers in strike were shot on the spot by police.
@@MrZauberelefant look up the coal union war of west Virginia
Galling, and inevitable. That's capitalism.
It's weird how only those in power can unionize.
5:45 If a cop turns off the camera that should count as admitting guilt.
@danielbutler By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
don't forget about the fines you can get if you even feed a homeless person
Woah, WHAT??? That's so fucked up
where
Yea , ' Don't feed them so they won't shit' LMAO ...
I don't believe this for a second. I buy food for homeless people in my area all the time, since there's a heroin problem near where I live and I don't want to indirectly support it. I have never been fined and I have never heard of anyone being fined
@God Usoland
you clearly don't understand the situation around where I live, since you don't know where I live. the likelihood that a homeless person wants money for something that isn't heroin (or crack) is virtually 0. if someone needs insulin, I always have the time to sit down with them, pull out my phone, and figure out a way to get insulin for them. this has *never* happened, because no homeless person has ever asked me for money for medicine. (it's always food)
As a child of retired cops..
I couldn't agree more.. there is a reason they quit, and it wasn't because they were in trouble
I've heard this from many people... Good cops either quit or are fired.
One heart for you and your parents, then. :)
Its because they couldn’t take all the bricks and molotov cocktails thrown at them like me dad. I hope he makes it to retirement because if he dies by BLM hands...
@@Iriamu-Guillermo Your dad's a liar who probably put those bricks and molotovs out. Look it up if you have the courage to face the Truth.
@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561
Thats not what the dashcam footage says.
Also fuck you.
Abt the 8 minute mark, I was reminded of when I got my first job at Arbys, I was told we give discounts for public service but the time I tried to give a firefighter half off the GM told me don’t do that again and we only do it for the cops so the cars are in the lot more. I genuinely would’ve preferred the firefighters bc they never tried to intimidate me or my coworkers.
Ikr, I'd love to give free coffee to firefighters! 🤗
In 2001-2002, I worked recovery at the WTC Site, and because people could tell we were Site workers from the way we were dressed and dust-covered, we got offered free coffee whenever we left the Site. Some of us were firefighters, but many of us were just disaster-relief volunteers like me.
So I remember thinking -- why don't the firefighters ALWAYS get free coffee? Coffee isn't terribly expensive, and if it's free for cops, why not free for firefighters as a regular thing?
@@zxyatiywariii8 absolutely!
When a robber shows-up at your store at 10PM to rob you, the fireman would help him carry the cash outside. The police officer might actually do something useful to PREVENT you from being robbed....but that "critical thinking" thing must be hard, when your career aspirations involve fast-food service...
@@Kidsinamerica
The police rarely ever actually prevent crime. They show up two hours later and shoot your dog.
@@Kidsinamerica yeah that wouldn’t freaking happen, but keep telling yourself that cops are awesome and not abusive a-holes who want power
Well then, turns out it’s become an even more useful video right now
@ is someone an idiot for not being able to spell "basic" English? i don't believe so. and even if it did make someone an idiot, you dont even know if OP's first language is English, or if they just didnt reread their comment before posting but actually know how to spell useful
And now again
Wait til you see what 2024 is like
Slime: "You have a right to privacy"
NSA: "What privacy?"
FBI: "What rights?"
CIA: "What is this 'you' you speak of?"
Those agencies can’t really violate your privacy unless you are suspected of a crime. And they never do violate your rights, they stick to every single line in the constitution when they enforce the law. If you want a world without these agencies, I hope you like a pretty fucked up nation.
@@unoriginalclips9923 Uh.... no. They do not stick to "every single line in the Constitution".
They violate the Fourth Amendment regularly, and they're allowed to do so with the power of the Patriot Act.
@@unoriginalclips9923 that's not true, it has been known for years that they are commonly violating civilian rights, along with international human rights. And have been many times used to unlawfully harm or destroy democracy around the world.
@@unoriginalclips9923 Do you actually believe this?
Then I guess ya’ll wanna be anarchist? Good luck
FYI, if you wanna use the Law & Order font: it's called Friz Quadrata which is a proprietary font, but you can get a free lookalike font called Quadrat Serial. The reason why L&O uses Friz Quadrata is because the NYPD used the font in their documents.
I also very much like saying "beg the question" to annoy people. ❤
That kinda begs the question... why? xD
Didn't you make up your girlfriend lmao
@@ldh3306 lol people are starting to recognize me, now? I didn't make her up. She's a real person. I just do a lot of imagining about the girlfriend part xP
@@XenaBe25 I was saying it to Peter, he made up a fake gf a while ago
@@ldh3306 Maybe he just did that to annoy ppl, too. It's a silly reason for somebody to get annoyed, but it seems to have worked in your case.
This is so ghetto. Do we really need _another_ law saying cops are _required_ to leave body cams on? Can we make it a law to automatically punish them if their camera coincidentally turns off during altercations with citizens?
Exactly. If they turn their body cam off while on duty, that right there should prove they are involved in suspicious activity
Tim Hortons, our cruellest oppressor!
It is an awful place though, and it extends its way down to its customer base who are known for treating the staff like total shit because you've got a lot of middle aged to elderly people who have little self identity having given themselves over to the machine of capitalism their whole lives and Tim Horton's has been propagandized as some Canadian icon, and it makes people feel extra entitled and angry when they come into THEIR place(Timmies) and aren't treated with the exact amount of deference they are owed or someone dared to make a mistake. For the elderly, I feel a bit bad because it's the one place they come to socialize, but they are often very difficult to deal with but they are left with so little after they retired because they don't have a lot of identity outside of consumerism and traditional family values(and a lot of their families are fractured with grandchildren too busy keeping a roof over their heads to call grandma too often).They also often are living far poorer retirements than they were promised their whole lives as well.
I actually despise customer service because it encourages entitled narcissism, but sometimes it comes from a place of pain, because that alienation really got a hold of them compared to some.
Hot take for a Canadian
Yes I liked the vid, even tho I don't entirely agree with the anarchist bent. He should have mentioned the McArthur killings a few minutes earlier, tho. I would have been less jokey with my other comments. I'm half wondering if I should delete some of those, now. Hipster eulogies are always so confusing and awkward for me :&
I had no clue what Tim Hortons was before moving to Western New York, and I was a lot happier then.
One time my family and I went to Tim Hortons at 3 am and there was this creepy dude who was oddly formal looking and he got kicked out and was marching down the street yelling at no one
"our descendants will look back" bold of you to assume we'll have descendants
one can only assume he was talking about the band Descendents, known for the song "'Merican," which touches on the topic of the militarization of the police
antinatalism gang
your name is literally "sad dad squad"
Ya soy boy liberals have pretty low sperm counts as well as sex drives I hear. Really sad, like watching the pandas go extinct.
@@TurnipCart lol, the exact timing of your comment is shall we say extremely ironic
This was so good!! One lil question I have: investigating murder and other such things is often a very technical and scientific job. In your rotating communal police situation, would there still need to be permanent forensic staff on hand?
Also another lil q: would these communal police still be allowed to use violent force in various situations?
Yes to both, watch non compete's video on the subject he does a really good job explaining how it might work.
Link in the description.
Thought Slime thanks, will do
That big joel watches thought slime makes me happy
I know I'm not the one being asked, but I'd say yes, absolutely. Detective/investigative work, to some degree, is also something that not just anyone can do and can require years and years of experience to become truly proficient at. So it would make sense to have some people that do that and mostly that when on duty. But especially when it comes to the forensic side, it only makes sense to have people who are already well trained in the field doing the task. But that could still take a number of forms.
As far as violence goes, I'd say the body camera thing would be non negotiable and violence should only be used in defense of self or others and shouldn't escalate (like fleeing shouldn't get someone shot in the back and punching shouldn't lead to shot in the neck and chest 17 times, etc). If ya have to tackle, tap with a car, pepper spray/tase a fleeing/fighting violent offender then do so. There are other non or less lethal options as well like beanbag rounds, water bullets, and several types of live ammo that are incredibly soft, small or in pellets that could be used to stop a violent offender trying to run (ammo types that are meant to do minimal soft tissue damage and won't ricochet between bones or break them and generally won't make it to organs, just shallow, painful flesh wounds). There's also the option of taking less lethal shots unlike police today that are largely trained to use lethal force to stop evasion, which is absolute insanity. A bag snatcher gets shot in the back and that's somehow "justice"? One of the biggest things would be the deescalation of situations though. And not making them significantly worse which is something we've seen time and time again. Most cops never pull their gun. The one's that do almost never shoot. But when they shoot, they are trained to shoot to kill. Avoiding that and leaving that kind of shooting to only very rare and extreme situations would go a long way. Policing of any kind will always come with danger and people that aren't willing to accept that danger and risk getting shot over harming a mentally ill person acting in a way they perceive as dangerous or innocent person who has nothing to do with why they're there do not need to be doing the work.
Big Joel, Mexie, and Peter Coffin. Thought Slime is big time now!
The very concept of for-profit prisons is so horrifying that it sounds like something out of dystopian sci-fi.
By the way, Garrow, do you support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
Dystopian? That's how prisons historically worked.
This is why good cop videos go viral. They're an exception, not the rule.
Well that's a dumb argument. Bad cop videos go just as viral
@@macstrong1284 that wasn't am argument
"good" cop videos are Copaganda...dont fall for that bullshit
@@VitruvianEngineer compared to the overwhelming amount of bad cop videos that go viral. I doubt its propaganda. If the police were actually trying to use propaganda they'd use bad cop videos and make excuses for them and I have yet to see any excuses made for cops.
@@WhiteCloudProductions what...? No.
Copaganda is having cops dance with community members, it's doing lipsync videos with the department.
Copaganda is used in an attempt to make you forget the murderous bullshit bad cop videos. Copaganda is not taking a bad video...and making rebuttal videos.
AND They make excuses all the time for these cops. If you think they dont then you just dont pay attention
"a grim satire of capitalism" seems redundant. It's pretty much a parody of itself that is constantly shitting its own bed.
I used to work at a library where the upstairs staff (director, catalogers, etc.) that had seniority would call police on a hair trigger. I started keeping an ear out for incidents that were reported, found the person at the center of it and gave them a heads up. 9 times out of 10 it was someone with a mental health issue (the other 1 time was just an oblivious asshat). Eventually the people I worked for started having my direct supervisor send me in to de-escalate problems because they didn't want the publicity of always having police called to the library and they didn't want to provide security. Working at that job taught me both how unnecessary police are, and just who it is they're protecting.
Who were they protecting?
The sensibilities of entitled bureaucrats.
bhsWD96, one day when one of those crazy guys gets you in a choke hold and takes a knife to you, you might be happy to see a cop. Yeah, I know, that could *never* happen because all crazy people are cool.
+IncognitoTorpedo When they're too pussy to be able to deal with a 12 year old without tasing them, I don't see them being much help. Wearing a badge has become the same kind of shorthand that a falsetto and fainting spells were years ago.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Probably as many as the average fat ass cop.
Rewatching after what happened to George Floyd. May he rest in peace, condolences to his family. ACAB
Black lives matter! But stop with the ACAB thing it's so lame
Don’t blame the police. Blame the system they’re under.
Joseph Is sus that’s exactly what acab means as thoughtslime stated in the beginning of the video
I’m rewatching as well
@@josephissus247 They actively *choose* to not only participate within, but facilitate the broken system. Fuck the system, but also, and I can't stress this enough, fuck the people that actively prop up and defend the system (i.e. the cops)
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Yes. And ocelots are the best cats.
eww. cats are filthy animals.
a regular sized cat produces more dander than a fully grown human...and they do it on purpose.
hence: all the licking.
Found the cop
All cats are beautiful* kekekekekek cough*
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I can't imagine how many terrible people you enraged with this one
I mean....the title literally says ALL cops are bad.
So I guess the terrible people probably support police. But that is just a theory
@David hill A better example would be CHAZ. The "community police" there killed two innocent blacks kids.
Me
The terrible people are not the ones who support heroes who protect and serve their community. The horrible people are the people who support murder, rapists, drug dealing and any other crime.
@@dawsondooley8191 damn, did you even watch the video before leaving a salty comment? lol
My dads black. He’s been telling me about the police since I was a child in the 90’s.
I'm white and my dad tolde to never talk to police I'm the 1970s it's saved my hide. Anything you say can and will be used against you so why would you want to talk to them
Mine failed to give me the "talk" officially. I just got stories from him about being pulled over in rural areas and told that he was driving too nice a car for a n*****, or seeing him shaken after being manhandled by cops who thought he was someone else. I didn't really make the connection until I was old enough for cops to see me as a threatening adult (12) and getting in trouble for shit such as jogging home or sitting suspiciously.
I hope he had good things to say about the people who risk their lives to serve our country
@@unoriginalclips9923 Who could have anything bad to say about our American logging workers?
@@PhoebeAlwaysWins oh I figured he was talking about pizza delivery drivers. The true unsung heroes of the usA
Yeah, so I've had some trepidation about agreeing with the titular sentiment of this video, but after finally watching it and hearing your points, you've eliminated any reservations I had on the matter. The "good" cops are not good so long as they uphold a fundamentally corrupt system, and we need an alternative form of law enforcement provided with actual incentive to protect and serve. Of course, there's so much more to reform. It's hard to know where to start.
Money for the people is where we start. If money equals power and power equals safety we start with money.
Our people cant stand for themselves against the system if the system effectively owns them.
There is no freedom in poverty, only desperation and bad options.
@@amandap9332 idiot for sure
Another idiot in the comment section. That's what's so wrong with this world we live in 😳
I've changed my mind. Upon further reflection and research into giving money to the people, its actually not going to help long term.
What we NEED to do is ditch the monetary system all together.
The powerful have ALWAYS used money against the people. Always.
Every monetary system that is put in place serves the few at the expense of the many.
And the one we have now deems the planet we live on to be expendable.
Doing something the same way over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity.
We are all suffering from mass insanity if we keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting the outcome to magically be different.
Its NEVER going to be different. If we insist on clinging to the illusion of money we are dooming ourselves AND our planet to a horrible death.
Those in power have had THOUSANDS of years to prove they will act differently.
At this point it's safe to say they NEVER will.
Ditch money, reclaim our humanity, save our planet.
The answer is so simple almost none of us can see it.
But that's our answer. And really, it's the ONLY answer that makes sense.
@@william21186 there ya go, more so called idiocy from a person who gives a shit about the human race. Too bad you dont. Its really very sad for you.
Oh, I'm gonna put that video all over reddit at any appropriate occasion. Nothing gets the breadpill down better than humor.
breadpill lmaooo
"I don't have a problem with individual police men, I have a problem with the international policery."
~The Sweaty One
I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I'll block myself out.
@@somenameidk5278 🤭
That’s why they call antisemitism the socialism of fools…
Sargon of Acab
that dude needs to be "quarantined" from society.
Wheeze
Mix the red and yellow together.
Aurora mutualism
epic
@@Specopleader genious Comment
12:30 "I was only following orders" applies even less to cops than it did to the nazis as many of them were conscripts , while every cop chooses that job with millions of alternatives.
One could argue that in poor states police are economic conscripts.
@@kekistanimememan170 - in poor states as in countries that may be the case, i don't think it's true in the USA given how many jobs exist and how relatively selective the police are. There's a lot of alternatives in America and it's mostly not the poor who become cops
I’ve always said that almost any time I or someone I know called the police for a legitimate reason received little to no help. I’ve met a few nice police but usually there’s nothing that they can do to get your property back because they’re not paid for investigating. That’s a large part of why they love drug crimes; in drug crimes the evidence is conveniently the crime as well.
Being a police officer SHOULD BE a noble profession that we can all look up to. Until that happens, we need to reform the system or scrap it for something else.
I remember some comrades of ours who squatted in a coloured shopping street in Amsterdam. In between work and other activities, they'd spend a lot of their time sitting outside the building talking and smoking. When they were ordered to leave by the state, people in the neighbourhood told them they'd be missed because they liked having the friendly form of social control they brought to the streets. It was felt as a relief compared to the agressive and fear-inducing police.
In Arizona, the private prison industry sued the state for not giving them enough prisoners
@@Will_JC It's the genetic fallacy to care. If the fact is true and is the untwisted truth, then it doesn't matter where the fact came from.
@@Will_JCwhy do you keep commenting this?
@ForageGrass By the way, what evidence exists (that you know of) to support the claim that a man is obligated to have a license or registration in order to use a car on the roads?
The idolization of police unaccountability in most cop movies is why Hot Fuzz is my favorite movie about police. The main character of Hot Fuzz is portrayed as being heroic because he does all of his paperwork, follows all proper procedures, and captures criminals using non-lethal methods. Nicholas Angel never kills a single person in that movie. He actually does what police are supposed to do. That's the movie I want to inspire the next generation of police.
That’s a great movie
The next generation of police would be nonexistent. We need to move past police, not evolve them.
Erm doesn’t he get into several gunfights at the end?
@@kekistanimememan170
Try watching the movie
@@kekistanimememan170 he does, but all the suspects are disabled and removed from conflict without being killed
The system doesn't solve problems. The system creates problems and then invents ways to make money fighting the symptoms of those problems without ever addressing the actual problem.
@Focux how many layers of bootlicking are you on rn
But the system has the capacity to solve problems, and tearing the system down will create different problems we won't be able to solve? Yes? Or am I just a thickhead?
@Focux dependent on what you use to quantify the testosterone hormones (Mass or volume) the layers of bootlicking you are on could vary between one and a billion.
@Focux why do you think I have hatred towards cops? And how could you know Anything about my intelligence?
@Focux lol. So the reason YOU think I have hatred towards cops is incest and substance abuse. Your comment is ambiguous because you either accuse me of substance abuse and incestuas ancestry or yourself. Logic suggests you mean yourself hence your stupidity.
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Probably the only viable challenge to "community policing" mechanisms is the question of how to secure minority rights in majoritarian systems. A community where the majority of people are bigoted would not, for example, recall a police force that was violating minority rights. This criticism applies to all majoritarian system though (including current democratic systems)... so there probably will have to be external guidelines and enforcement mechanisms that override community will. Curious to hear your thoughts on this.
I had a part about this but I cut it for time.
People always ask this, but how does the current model address this problem? Seems to me like eroding power structures and democratizing the rules would only benefit minorities because they (like everyone else) would have a seat at the table.
Centralized police forces have universally been shitty to minorities everywhere they exist. Our current system has the same problem you pointed out, but people just ignore it because it's the status quo.
I guess I was hoping for something more mechanical. Our current system does indeed have this problem (as I mentioned), but I don't think this is fixed by de-scaling the system. In the US, much of the anti-slavery/anti-lynching enforcement (however shitty) came from a centralized state in opposition to local racist governors, sheriffs and posses. "States' rights" was and is an attempt to decentralize the system in order to enforce more racist local attitudes in contradiction to federal statutes.
A community where majority is bigoted is cured by bombs.
that doesn't help
I'm with XRXaholic on this one, sure the current policing system is quite bad for minorities, especially when you define minorities as purely ethnic. It's a longtime problem within leftist thought, the proletarian rage needed to fuel revolution also tends to be bigoted as fuck, not just against racial minorities, but against pretty much anyone who is not sufficiently like the majority. Say what you want about centralized state power, but it tends to value order above everything else. The American federal government was the only entity fighting the KKK at one time, even dicks like J Edgar Hoover hated them. These aren't just small isolated communities either, it's pretty much everything outside of major metro areas who would much rather be without blacks, latinx, atheists, and just educated people a lot of the time (we saw the better educated get butchered in places like Cambodia and China). Anarchism has no mechanism to protect against this, other than, as Kirby above me described, more death and violence and civil war, and given history I don't buy the idea that the west is different in this regard.
6:30 know your rights huh. The Clash did a good song on those "You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a crime
Unless it was done
By a policeman"
What happened to the right to life and the right to a fair trial? Why do cops get to act as judge, jury and executioner?
Bi lighting 👍
Alex I think it was cop lighting.
Kai Yearsley Cops are bi confirmed
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@TERFs don't deserve basic rights, and
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Hey thanks so much for the link, Conrad slime! Quick question about Canadian police: are Mounty horses also bad? :/
lol I love those horses :)
I swear An Caps literalyl don't know what jokes are, lol :)
They are the worst, dont even get me started on those fucking horses!
Yes
Actually, during the student crisis in 2012 in Quebec, police used horses to keep order. They were following us, blocking roads, etc. Some people got injured by horses.
If it's literally impossible for someone to be anything but a criminal, then we can't be mad at them for being a criminal.
If it's possible for someone to not be a criminal, we should help them accomplish that.
Beautifully said. Perfectly sums up the problems with incarceration.
Are you going to do anything about that?
@@eduardorodriguez7245 I sure have been. I work as a teacher and teach my students the values of forgiveness and compassion to the best of my ability.
@@samuelbaker9623 how is that going?
@@eduardorodriguez7245 I'll let you know in 10 years, when they become adults.
@@samuelbaker9623 ok
When I first saw this I disagreed with a lot of what you said. Just coming back here to say I'm sorry. Clearly, you were right all along.
Props for honesty, man.
Same here. I thought he was a dipshit when I first saw this video but after everything's that's happened in the us, I came back agreeing with him.
Huge props to people for being able to change their mind. This is thread necromancy as hell but if there's any chance any of you see that I wanted to say it.
The dislikes are all cops.
Or boot lickers
or people who understand why it's not a good thing to fire ALL the cops due to 1000 died to due to police brutality in 2017 and there are estimated to be 750,000 cops so that sounds like a minority of cops
to me
Or maybe, WILD IDEA, people who did not watch the video and only read the title, because the explanations are pretty damn crystal clear
@@Abaudahdine I actually watched the whole video he does not show any statistics and proof on the video only some CNN and new york times reports which is so biased against the right and most of his sources on the description are on the left wing side just because he talks on the narrative you like it does not mean its crystal clear or 100% correct
@@ruslad1991 Are you calling CNN, CBC, WashPost, ACLU and NYTimes left wing sources?
I mean, they may not be on the right, but they're definitely not on the left either! Now of course if you consider everything left of Republicans to be left wing, that's another story, a story of someone who has a very limited grasp of political sciences' basics.
Also, History is History, whether you like it or not; the institution of the police is derived from slave catching patrols and strike breakers, the institution is and has always been a milicia for the wealthy and powerful, that's exactly what the video is saying. Those are not statistics, they are historical facts.
Now if you wish to buy a different narrative and build your own alternate reality around it, if you want to build your own kayfabe, that's your choice, but the facts and reasoning have been presented here.
Love that Contrapoints-esc lighting. Good lighting is praxis.
Contra didn't create Bi-Lighting...
I aM just let people recognize similarities between creators. Almost no -esque comparisons reference the inventors. Things aren't even named after their inventors most of the time. You think Vertigo was the first time someone used a Vertigo zoom?
@@QuikVidGuy Contra didn't create Bi Lighting.
@@IaMSpeaks -_________________-
@@RegstarRogstar I said what I said when I said it.
I'm... not sure I'm sold on community defence. What happens if one community feels protecting one of its own is more important than responding to the harm they might have done to another community? Do all communities have a soft agreement to just Totally Get Along and Share Info and such? Cos, uh, I mean... otherwise its a neighbourhood watch program. And, uh, like, sometimes they turn into gangs?
That's kind of a small scale version of what I understand Slime's point to be about cops as they currently exist.
Though that's not to say it isn't a valid concern, of course. I would imagine there would still be a need for a national police force and some sort of civilian oversight committee to audit community defense orgs. It might actually be easier to audit them if they didn't have the kind of funding and PR logistics available to modern police forces.
That being said, while small communities are largely self-policing anyway ( and the police know this; the RCMP has a habit of sending its green new recruits to rural communities that basically don't need them at all, for example) it becomes a bit more complicated in a city of millions.
Thank you for the response! I'm on board with a lot of anarchist ideas, I'm just generally confused by the policing bit since it seems to be police but better, locally and without using the word, as well as the, uh, amount of personal action it seems to take to be involved in a society (which I can't take readily due to disabilities).
@Ciar K I think there are definitely different degrees of bad when it comes to policing. There are a good few police forces in the world that kill fewer people in a year than American cops do on an average day, for instance, and justice systems that are far less incarceral.
But slime is right that pretty much everywhere, cops end up being a force that protects the rich from the poor in most circumstances, and also the concept of police forces usually attracts the sort of people who probably shouldn't be police officers.
I tend to think that it is good that a monopoly on violence be maintained somehow, but realistically even the current system is kind of a compromise in that regard, with authority to use violence being devolved and parceled out to various organizations and individuals, so a better compromise should theoretically be possible.
@@GreetingsField, I think there's always going to be some risk involved in giving some people more means to commit violence than others. We see that with modern police, and we'd probably still see it to some degree with voluntary community defense forces (that really needs a catchier name...) I think what's important is that whatever systems we build to fill that role of protecting individuals and communities takes that reality into account and does everything it can to mitigate the potential for corruption.
Some options include:
- Democratically electing "police officers" (depending on the demographics of the area, this might need to require a strong majority in order to make sure that minority populations also agree with that individual being given power.)
- Giving the community the ability to recall/fire "police officers."
- Giving "police officers" term limits, and rotating "officers" through their organizational structure (so as to help avoid one cop becoming the leader of all the rest).
- Establishing strong oversight institutions run by the community as a whole.
- Peeling off most law enforcement responsibilities to other, _explicitly separate,_ groups (like social workers, mental healthcare providers, conflict mediators, forensic scientists, trained investigators, prosecutors, etc.) and reserving "police officers" to only be deployed to deal with violent or potentially violent emergencies.
- (This one may be somewhat controversial, but it's an option) Decentralizing the use of violence by allowing individuals within the community to act in their own defense to the same degree that a "police officer" would be allowed. In other words, allowing them to carry the same sort of weaponry and authorizing them to use that weaponry in the same ways that "police" are (with the understanding that they would also be held to the same degree of scrutiny and subject to the same regulations by the community). So basically everyone would be allowed to be a "police officer" in their spare time if they wanted to, but only some people would be specifically employed full time to be "police officers" for the community.
Not all of those should necessarily be adopted (some kind of contradict each other), but none of them really exist in modern police institutions, at least not to the degree where it would really make a difference.
Third party ombudsman-ship by an unaffiliated group agreed upon by both parties and to whose opinion both agree to bow to under penalty of a pre-determined "punishment" from reneging.
"Look up your city" uhhhh, I live in Montgomery Alabama....
"Now I'm not saying there's a secret conspiracy wherein Tim Horton's controls the police."
Idea for a comic book?
I always gave the EMTs free coffee when I was a Timmy's grunt. Never the cops though.
The EMTs actually do something that's beneficial to society.
As public officials, accepting gifts could be construed as taking bribes, legally speaking. Cops in my area try to turn down free stuff, but we'd insist for the nice ones (like all of my pleasant customers).
@White-Van Helsing no because he excludes the cops
Even if you did there not allowed to take it
Last time I had an encounter with a cop, it was when my car broke down in the middle of the 400, and holy shit like 4 cops just drove by me and left me stranded in the middle of a highway. Thanks guys 🙃
Great video slime! Btw, loved the raccoons
PetraWaifu cops aren't all mechanics or repairmen. Call somebody that is supposed to help broken down motorists.
To be fair, that's not at all a cop's job (even the hypothetical cop replacement's in this video), and if there were 4 whole cop cars driving by in a such a short amount of time, its quite possible they were heading to something serious.
That is why in Utah police are required to render assistance to disabled vehicles; well its specifically because it gets cold as balls in the winter there and break downs meant people kept freezing to death before the policy went into effect.
@@YeeMacghyee If it's in the middle of a road, especially a highway, cops absolutely have a duty of care. That sort of thing could cause huge disruption or even major accidents and death. They're not there to fix the car, they're there to prevent accidents. In the uk, if you break down on a main highway/motorway, even if you've managed to pull to the side, you're supposed to always call the cops and let them know you've broken down on a main roadway. Most the time they'll send a vehicle out to park behind you with blue lights until some sort of recovery vehicle arrives. This is the case if you break down on a smaller road too and are in a pretty cagey position, say you're on a minor road but broken down right on a blind corner where someone might collide with you, or your vehicle has crashed and blocked a road.
Not exactly an "encounter" then, and they probably avoided getting pestered by an insecure jabroni and their Iphone during an emergency. Of course, hypocritically bashing cops while still relying on their aid is pretty stale by now.
the prison system in norway is like what you said. shows like orange is the new black show how badly inmates are treated and it makes sense on why they go back to crime. don't get me started on the american prison system. they treat them like they aren't even human. they're beaten, raped, starved, tortured, murdered by the guards and they can't get help or report these people because as soon as they're convicted, they have there rights stripped away from them. it makes me sick
Thought ya might like to know I used this video to educate a stranger on the Internet who thought acab was a generalisation and actually managed to change their mind! You video helped me do the impossible :') keep up the good work comrade
I mean Thucicydes said it in like 500 B.C.: "The strong do what they may, and the weak suffer what they must." (He was criticizing Athenian hypocrisy here, it's not a position he was actually advocating)
You have the greatest surreal sense of humor I can't even describe, but it's like you've deconstructed the concept of jokes themselves and then abstracted it, but then drop some really thoughtful insights. And I'm all here for it. I've been on a binge watching Thought Slime and Scaredy Cats a lot these days. Good stuff.
So many bootlickers in the comments.
The us police are bad
Me, in brazil: uhhhh... i guess ours is literally the devil then
Russia's police must be the devil's dad lol
They are rapidly catching up.
USA is a third world country with a gucci belt and they just caught up to this idea lmao.
@@atenasgarcia632 If it was 3rd world it wouldn’t be In NATO (Cold war logic)
@@daman1999 issa joke 😂
I'm Australian. Last year in my city we had a big protest for climate change stuff, and part of that was forming a human barricade in front of a building so that some mining people couldn't get to their conference. The police proceeded to RIDE THEIR HORSES INTO THE BARRICADE. There was also a cop that covered their camera with a sticker saying something like "die hippie". People were outraged of course, you can't fucking run people over with horses? So how did the state government respond? Commended them of course!
Yikes!
That's dangerous for y'all and also dangerous for the poor horses, who didn't choose to be used that way.
I HATE when people use horses and dogs that way. They're just trying to please the humans whom they love and trust.
ANYTIME anyone in a tv show/movie says "If you've not done anything wrong then you don't have anything to hide", I always think of the same quote:
“The Axiom ‘Honest men have nothing to fear from the police’ is currently under review by the Axioms Review Board.”
- Terry Pratchett - Men At Arms
"that song has some pretty homophobic lyrics in it" also ice cube is antisemetic. hes posted the black cube worship thing inside the star of david AND has atleast on one occasion rapped about it. "you let a jew break up our crew" for one
Based
Know your enemy, or you're a useful idiot.
He said in an interview back in the 90s that the line had nothing to do with him being Jewish and all to do with the rhyme scheme or something along those lines. However there is no doubt that he was homophobic back in the NWA days so who knows
@@p.n__ hes reposted antisemitic conspiarcy theories on social media so definetly not just something he did in the 90s
@@superharuhifanstupid idiot contrarian found
My city (Phoenix, AZ) doesn’t even have a civilian oversight committee since the city council keeps rejecting attempts to form it. Phoenix PD is also reliably one of the most violent police departments in the US, according to officer-involved shooting statistics.
Whoever is reading this. You are valid.
Unless you're a cop.
Or a fascist.
Cops are also valid
police isn`t
@Zombie Jesus what reasons do you have?
What if you are a transgender cop?
@@CoorDaLoor then you're a double traitor
"If we hold our current system up to the same scrutiny that we hold potential alternatives, we'd conclude, that it's impossible and could never work."
Very well said, but that argument applies not just to our justice system, but to our economic and political system as well.
Our monkey brains tend to be biased towards the ideas, that don't force us to change. You could call it bias in favor of laziness. I'm a major procrastinator, so I'm very familiar with that phenomenon. You wouldn't believe, how great I am with finding arguments against washing my dishes regularly, even if the disadvantages of not having clean dishes outweigh all of those, easily.
People are so eager to point to all the things that could go wrong trying to establish an alternative to capitalism and are quick to dismiss anyone promoting change that goes beyond the same old reforms. And that is not just frustrating, it's also baffling considering, that many, maybe even most people today think, that mankind won't survive another hundred, let alone thousand years. This shows a) how little faith they have in the sustainability of the current system and b) how little they'd actually have to lose by trying something different. If the end of days is near, anyway, why not give communism a try?
And while they decry revolutionary ideas by condemning the POTENTIAL horrors, that a revolution could bring, they ignore all the ACTUAL horrors, that occur every day, every minute and every second under capitalism.
In light of recent events, I came here to learn more about the policing system, and I'm very happy I did! The video was clear, concise and I liked your sources. Thank you for making this, I will definitely be directing more people to this video!
Poop Justice: law enforcement is our doody.
Ever since I did that research for a tabletop RPG campaign where my search phrases included 'how hard is a head shot', 'what are the most common calibre weapon in the US' and 'how to make explosives', I am probably already on any number of watch lists.
It would certainly explain the black van that has been parked across the street from me the past two months...
You're just living the American Dream, they won't bother you. They have potheads and homeless to arrest, they don't have time for white people with guns.
@@drnanard9605 They tend to avoid people with guns - period. Why? Because they can fight back, something your average pig doesn't know how to deal with that...
derpy druid I’ve seen pigs operate - they rarely engage a target without a numerical advantage and almost exclusively stick to targets that can’t effectively resist them.
derpy druid Pigs usually move in pairs - and they call other members of the herd to their location at the drop of a hat.
@@cookingwithtool159 I don't know about where you live, but I never see pigs move in groups less than two - and I've seen them call for more swine in situations that me and mine could easily handle on our own (such as getting drunks off the street - if you can't handle yourself against some one with impaired vision and reflexes, what you doing out there?).
A lot of people can't picture what society would work without police and tbh until recently I wasn't really on board with the abolitionist position. Thanks for the video it was very compelling!!
Interestingly, you might be surprised to hear that until around the 1970s/1960s, prison abolition was actually a somewhat mainstream political position in America - even among some conversatives.
@@jackkendall6420 😮😮 that's actually really interesting.
okay explain how?
@@jackkendall6420 People don't realize how far to the right the dialogue in this country has shifted since the 1980s. Other than most "social issues".
This showed up as suggested. Feels very relevant today
It’s not relevant, it never will be.
Saw something you recognised?
More relevant now more than ever. Thanks Thought Slime, hope this video gets back in people's recommended right about now.
This guy loves to show his ignorance.
watching after the murder of george floyd
Same
Mr. Richard Smoker sorry, that was my fault
You hear about the "Great day" Trimp the bunker hiding wimp was talking about?
This fucking orange turd with yellow grass on it is sooooo fucking done. It ends badly for you you nazi boot licking fucking loser.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Awwww you still mad snowflake? We're not even half way done yet! Get ready for 4 more years fruitloop.
people are still unironically supporting trump? yikes.
Little do people know
"Gangs" are entirely legal
It's called freedom of association
It's only the actions done independently (or in the name of such groups) are often illegal
political parties are just large gangs.
Change my mind.
Are you genuinely re+arded? Not a joke are you mentally Okay. If a big corporation does something bad you think it's just one guy's fault, obviously no. There's a difference between a baking club and a mob, A gang is implicitly formed for criminal purposes. I'm assuming you're okay with Neo-Nazi militias and the KKK. Personally, I think the kkk is bad and I'm glad when the cops break them up.
Meanwhile in June 2020...
OOOOH BOY WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHATS HAPPENED NOW
Digging your videos man, you make me want to make sociopolitical videos of my own!
Do it!
I guess not
There aren't a few bad apples in the police force that spoil the bunch.
There are a few good apples on the top of the barrel that makes it seem the barrel is full of good apples.
and they're the ones on top because the media is constantly digging through the barrel looking for good looking apples and if the apples have a rotten side they carefully put that side away from the camera.
@Danny Boy Jango ok. So let's have a look at this apple. No rot visible but hey - the apple is super cool working right alongside this rotten apple. Yep that's a bad apple right there.
If we follow this procedure we can see that, in fact, all apples are bad because they all are happy to be in the barrel full of rotten apples.
Even those few good apples on top become rotten to the core.
Solidarity. CREATE ALTERNATIVE AND PEACEFUL SYSTEMS 🅰️ 🏳️🏴⚒️
You live in la la land
This video suddenly became uncomfortably relevant again
we need this video right now. right fucking now.
"The police should be abolished"
Immediate subscribe.
Lmao you should have unsubscribed
Nero Sparda Okay boomer
@Curious Black Cat The pot calling the kettle black, huh?
Blackcatcallkettleblack.
Dovey seems like you’re desperate to become a criminal
I //love// that you mention the apple analogy, especially because it can be logically taken a step further. The real idiom "one bad apple spoils the bunch" is true because apples (and most fruit but whatever) release chemicals that speed up the decay of other apples. Quite literally, by having one bad apple, it increases the odds of the other apples spoiling as well. It may have started as one bad cop, but it doesn't take long to corrupt a whole precinct (*cough* the lying bitches unit *cough*)
yup, once that bad apple manages to become a sergeant or captain, you're not gonna have good apples underneath for very long
These apples were bad from the start. You really can't have a good apple who signed up to kidnap and/or kill people to protect the rights of capital.
"Look up your city. You'll probably find a similar story."
{laughs in Minneapolis}
My initial reaction was the one you'd expect from a white, middle-class person conditioned to live in a policed world. 5 mins into this video (and, ok, 33 years of being female and Hispanic helped) and I am a new person.
Even though I don't agree with every small detail, I've always wondered if there was a way to both abolish the current policing system and still not just let people get raped, murdered and robbed and you've really helped answer those questions. Guess now I know what I plan on showing to all of my friends
This is nothing to do with the content of the video, but I just wanted to say that the lighting for this one is absolutely superb! I love that you took the time to get the blue and red perfectly split down your face, it's really striking and is such a cool effect. Bravo Slime Lord!
Watching this in june 2020
Hooooooo boy.
It is also illegal to commit suicide meaning that if someone attempts suicide and fails or was going to commit suicide but then chose not to or was stopped then they can go to prison instead of getting the required help such as financial help, mental help etc. There are all sort of ways in which innocent and often vulnerable people are criminalised for their situation. Some people have been put in jail for attempting to commit suicide rather than getting the help they desperately need.
false. Everyone who even attempts suicide goes right to a facility where they can get help.
@@McFlakies, but they can not enforce them.
@@TearsPlays, yes maybe in a tiny amount of countries but not where I am from and most places.
The "there's rules for them, then there's rules for us" bit really gave me "the system works for them" (by Aus-Rotten) vibes, and that made this video so much better
Isn't "police unions" kind of an oxymoronic concept?
Police are enforcers for the bourgeois, but they remain proletariat at the end of the day. It is rather ironic that the strongest unions in the US tend to be in the public sector. My brother is a racist Trumpy law enforcer, but he's deep in the union and votes for Democrats at the state level because they support paying them more. It's not contradictory at all if you just factor in self-interest.
Great reply there. Thanks mate :)
vollsticks Who strikebreaks the strikebreakers?
@@loonachan Isn't "racist Trumpy" kind of an oxymoronic concept?
@@coolguy02536 Not if you understand Trump's policies and know what an oxymoron is.
This is something else in 2020