You should explore making a roto-pantograph mirror your blank. You make the craziest wood projects I've ever seen, I'm sure that would be a challenging and fun project.
@Matthiaswandel That is a good thought, although my FIRST Robotics team mentor has a CNC machine, and that thing is wonderful for larger, simpler projects. He uses SolidWorks and his example to me was an engine mount for his custom dirt bike, it took about 20 min to draw up and he can just run the thing while he eats lunch. This panto-router is amazing for smallish, slightly complex objects such as this violin scroll. You have to consider how much time went into making the panto-router as well.
You are a true genius! I wish I had your engineering skills! So many people with $0 in their pocket could learn so much from you! Could you make me a machine like that? Thank you Matthias Wandel! I've enjoyed this video and have enjoyed them for quite a while. Many blessings to you my friend!
People don't realize CNC is mainly for something that is produced in large quantity, so the lengthy setup/preparation is insignificant compared to the large volume you can produce.
I have found my master models are most easily refined/revised in plaster. This way I can subtract AND add to it. When satisfied, I coat these in lacquer or epoxy.
I'm curious if you intend to create the rest of the violin. Then you will be a master luthier. Is there no end to your creativity and talent? You are a truly amazing person and a great craftsman. It is a privilege to watch your videos.
@alewisgb It depends much on the size because the bigger the mashine, the bigger the motors, controller and power supply have to be. At Ebay small converted cnc mills range from under 1000 to several thousands of euros for big ones. Updating a conventional mill cost from 300€ and up. Software from 200 (with freeware cad+cam which often is sufficient enough) to thousands of euros.
a double reverse panto graph, like use it once to get a .5 scale then use the scale reversed (switch the position of the router and guide bearing to get a 2x model size ie. the size of the original
This is very nice. I wonder why when you got the plans on PC anyway why dont you build a XYZ cnc router and mill it directly. It is quite easy to build one.
Matthias, I love love to see you attempt this task with AUSTRALIAN hardwoods. you are very spoilt at the Northen end of the American Continent with a vast array of softwoods. I love your show please don't regard this comment as critism either implied or actual, just an observation. Cheers
Matthias, thanks for the reply. I can't really do any wood work as I am Blind, but I can see your clips. You are an exceptionally talented young man and clearly your family shares in your gifts. Our hardwoods are just unbelievably hard, so hard they cannot be worked as they splinter. In your hands your native "growing on trees" timber becomes a medium that forms shapes to your minds eye, it's a pleasure too watch.
Sorry, NeXTORMING I didnt see your post until today, sorry. Everything can be narrated via: either Zoomtext or Jaws, low vision or nil vision software. 90% of all blind people have vision, its rare 10% to have no vision. However what you call vision is not what I call vision. Its the same with all blind people, its sometimes called blind sight. I hope thats helpful Cheers
I don't think a bandsaw was ever designed to be used in curves but still, great work PS I have liked the video because you take wood cutting to the next level
I've been wondering about this for a while, but do you think that there could be some mechanism to produce a mirror image from a template (without resorting to a computer program)? I get a headache just from thinking about it, but I'm sure if there was a way you'd have figured it out!
@Matthiaswandel when you had the CNC i think the CNC would be the easiest. then again, im better with computer than i am with wood like this. that might be the reason
+Matthias Wandel Well I meant for adjustments less than quantity, as in add or remove material and re form, or 3D print. Just because I lack the skill or facility to work wood with your level of skill so plastic templates would work better for me most likely. I'm interested in making small wooden boxes with neat repeatable patterning or engraving. But I get why you'd be confused by the way I phrased that lol
You mention the big print program. Is that the actual name? Where can I find it? P.S. I love your videos and your website. I will be purchasing some of your plans as soon as I have my shop set up.
I tried... about 10 minutes in solidworks. Another 5 to double-check automatically generated g-code in visualmill.... and I didn't even have to wait for the glue to dry.
Matthias, What is the benefit of rubbing sawdust on the glue? Originally I thought it was just to make the glue easier to get off, but you said it makes it a bit stronger, so now I'm curious. Does the sawdust get into the gaps and act as a bonding agent more than the glue does, somehow?
A bit late, I know, but oh well. If you search up the sawdust boat episode of Mythbusters, you will see what he means by sawdust strengthening the joint. Sawdust is also great for soaking up messes, including glue squeeze out. It ultimately comes down to how you use it. If you clean it off right away, you clean up the squeeze out. Leave it on, and you strengthen gaps/imperfections. That is an overly simplistic explanation.
Very savvy how you cut out the model using the bandsaw. Well done.
A CNC is not the point, its seeing if it could be done using his brain and his tools. Love the work Matthias!
It's linked from the article that goes with the video. Just click on the link.
You are such an incredible multi-talent, I am in awe!
Makes you appreciate the worksmanship of the craftsmen who did this with only hand tools...
Been subbed a few years now and have seen most Matthias videos, it's always nice to find one I haven't seen yet.
Man, you need your own show on TV!
he was on TV one time
should be the same size ratio as the reduction.
This is just incredible.
Thank you for your videos, I find inspiration in them.
I can make a wooden model of that scroll faster than you can figure out how to draw that shape in CAD.
Matthias, I should have also mentioned your hand eye co-ordination is exceptional and you would have made a great Surgeon.
Thanks for pointing that out. Just fixed it.
Nice work! I like your videos Matthias.
Working on a ukulele. Problem is, I don't play any instruments, so I'm not that motivated to build them.
In that case, I can't help you. Just clicked it myself and it works.
That router jig is awesome!
Good to hear! Looking forward to that one.
A mirror image mechanism could be built, but it would be more complicated than just a pantograph.
Very cool, Matthias.
You should explore making a roto-pantograph mirror your blank. You make the craziest wood projects I've ever seen, I'm sure that would be a challenging and fun project.
that shape also makes a nice foot for period furniture
@Matthiaswandel That is a good thought, although my FIRST Robotics team mentor has a CNC machine, and that thing is wonderful for larger, simpler projects. He uses SolidWorks and his example to me was an engine mount for his custom dirt bike, it took about 20 min to draw up and he can just run the thing while he eats lunch.
This panto-router is amazing for smallish, slightly complex objects such as this violin scroll.
You have to consider how much time went into making the panto-router as well.
There's a linkage for pantographing the mirror image, but that'd take heavy modifications of the pantorouter.
You are a true genius! I wish I had your engineering skills! So many people with $0 in their pocket could learn so much from you! Could you make me a machine like that? Thank you Matthias Wandel! I've enjoyed this video and have enjoyed them for quite a while. Many blessings to you my friend!
Because this is even easier and doesn't require a computer in the shop.
People who are into CNC spend way too much time on their CNC machine.
People don't realize CNC is mainly for something that is produced in large quantity, so the lengthy setup/preparation is insignificant compared to the large volume you can produce.
Your ConCave surfaces CAN be achieved with a finalized pattern and the correct sequence of bits. Very cool, thanks 4 sharing...
I have found my master models are most easily refined/revised in plaster. This way I can subtract AND add to it. When satisfied, I coat these in lacquer or epoxy.
I'm curious if you intend to create the rest of the violin. Then you will be a master luthier. Is there no end to your creativity and talent? You are a truly amazing person and a great craftsman. It is a privilege to watch your videos.
This is beautiful, but I still love my home built CNC :)
Yes, but twice as big.
Amazing
Could you make the pantorouter cut a mirror image by extending the arms to the opposite side?
@alewisgb
It depends much on the size because the bigger the mashine, the bigger the motors, controller and power supply have to be.
At Ebay small converted cnc mills range from under 1000 to several thousands of euros for big ones. Updating a conventional mill cost from 300€ and up. Software from 200 (with freeware cad+cam which often is sufficient enough) to thousands of euros.
Awesome really thank for new ideas
a double reverse panto graph, like use it once to get a .5 scale then use the scale reversed (switch the position of the router and guide bearing to get a 2x model size ie. the size of the original
Other than the pipe organ, have you made any other instruments? I would love to see a stringed instrument build. (Violin, cello, guitar, etc.)
You are one Genius :)
Teach me your ways master
impressive
I can't decide what to call you =|
Genius or Legend.
good work
@Matthiaswandel It doesn't have to be wood. Clay would have done fine too, except that it shrinks as it dries.
Wow!
No plan on it (I thought I made that obvious at the end of the video)
I think my mind just exploded o_O
great..!
This is very nice. I wonder why when you got the plans on PC anyway why dont you build a XYZ cnc router and mill it directly. It is quite easy to build one.
Could you try to make a cello that would be awesome. Pls try to make one if you can. You are the #1 UA-camr.
Catyxndjd Dodgson this is NOT the proper way to make any part of any member of the violin family, at ALL
First video ive seen of yours where you guess on measurements! :-)
Matthias, I love love to see you attempt this task with AUSTRALIAN hardwoods. you are very spoilt at the Northen end of the American Continent with a vast array of softwoods. I love your show please don't regard this comment as critism either implied or actual, just an observation. Cheers
+david duffy Australain hardwoods would be hard to get in Canada, whereas the domestic stuff grows on trees.
Matthias, thanks for the reply. I can't really do any wood work as I am Blind, but I can see your clips. You are an exceptionally talented young man and clearly your family shares in your gifts.
Our hardwoods are just unbelievably hard, so hard they cannot be worked as they splinter.
In your hands your native "growing on trees" timber becomes a medium that forms shapes to your minds eye, it's a pleasure too watch.
+david duffy if your blind how do you whatch UA-cam
Sorry, NeXTORMING I didnt see your post until today, sorry. Everything can be narrated via: either Zoomtext or Jaws, low vision or nil vision software. 90% of all blind people have vision, its rare 10% to have no vision. However what you call vision is not what I call vision. Its the same with all blind people, its sometimes called blind sight. I hope thats helpful Cheers
+NeXTSTORMING youtube brail my friend you havent heard of it? me too
I don't think a bandsaw was ever designed to be used in curves but still, great work
PS I have liked the video because you take wood cutting to the next level
Would it be possible to configure and inverse panto-graph?
I've been wondering about this for a while, but do you think that there could be some mechanism to produce a mirror image from a template (without resorting to a computer program)? I get a headache just from thinking about it, but I'm sure if there was a way you'd have figured it out!
@humanxbox ye, it grew back
how does the shape of the stylus affect the router bit used? does the stylus need to b the same shape as the router bit/?
lol i like his "i-don't-give-a-shit" attitude when he replies in the comment
@Matthiaswandel No worries I got it to work through another project. Thanks though
@Karmakameleeon he did. look on his site
mount it 180 degrees "backwards", and configure the jig to do the opposite IE left is right.
You should try carving it the traditional way out of a block of wood with gouges, chisels, scrapers and a hand saw.
@Matthiaswandel when you had the CNC i think the CNC would be the easiest. then again, im better with computer than i am with wood like this. that might be the reason
now ive learn how to create 3d out of this out of spending roughly 24 hours trying to figure it out
@Matthiaswandel Thank you.
do you think this would work well with vacuform or 3D printed templates. That way its smooth plastic and you can make multiples easily...
+danteelite Maybe if you put some resin inside the template to make them rigid. But why duplicate the template? you only need one.
+Matthias Wandel Well I meant for adjustments less than quantity, as in add or remove material and re form, or 3D print. Just because I lack the skill or facility to work wood with your level of skill so plastic templates would work better for me most likely. I'm interested in making small wooden boxes with neat repeatable patterning or engraving. But I get why you'd be confused by the way I phrased that lol
Danke :)
Beautiful, but it's way bigger than an actual violin scroll, more like a cello or bass. Awesome work though
GOD OF WOOD
Sir. what kind of bandsaw blade were you using here? teeth??
Thank you dear Sir for interesting 🌹🥀
@Robonza Well...he's both....
You mention the big print program. Is that the actual name? Where can I find it? P.S. I love your videos and your website. I will be purchasing some of your plans as soon as I have my shop set up.
I tried... about 10 minutes in solidworks. Another 5 to double-check automatically generated g-code in visualmill.... and I didn't even have to wait for the glue to dry.
Why not mound the router upside down (or keep the router stationary and move the workpiece above it) keeping the same mechanism.
Matt, i just noticed that the BigPrint link is broken, it goes to .....bigprint/indexit.html when it should go to .....bigprint/index.html
ola vc faz um para encomenda via brasil ja pronto ai eu monto aqui mesmo tem como ?
Matthias,
What is the benefit of rubbing sawdust on the glue? Originally I thought it was just to make the glue easier to get off, but you said it makes it a bit stronger, so now I'm curious. Does the sawdust get into the gaps and act as a bonding agent more than the glue does, somehow?
cleans off glue, fills gaps
A bit late, I know, but oh well. If you search up the sawdust boat episode of Mythbusters, you will see what he means by sawdust strengthening the joint. Sawdust is also great for soaking up messes, including glue squeeze out. It ultimately comes down to how you use it. If you clean it off right away, you clean up the squeeze out. Leave it on, and you strengthen gaps/imperfections.
That is an overly simplistic explanation.
@humanxbox does he look like he is missing a finger
xaxaxaxaxa you are the man.
have you sold this design to a billion dollar industry yet? you should!
ganz schön wild
@Matthiaswandel Well it looks as though the link is bad. I could not get anywhere. Sorry. :-(
@G1McK looked closely and I saw all 10 fingers
I play the violin :D
In the instrument making profession we call these VSO - Violin Shaped Object
have you ever lost a finger??
@Matthiaswandel Is that a dare ? :)
You can eyeball anything can't you?
This is probably an example of something that a CNC Router is better suited for, although maybe intellectually less interesting.
and a 3d model and tool path generation for this would not be trivial either.
Matthias Wandel it seems like you would almost need software that can auto generate cam on the more complex surfaces.
Certainly not, I do a fair bit of 3d modelling and all I can think of is the angled compound curves.
Search for "violin" or "string instrument scroll" on grabcad. It's been done to death.
Yes sir -- the CNC route would require $1,000's of dollars of CAD/CAM software to complete and require an expert user to run it
Luthiers hate him
It's supposed to be only done be people after having studied lutherie for like 5 years.. It's supposed to be an art or something.
Excellent Sir, quick question, are you using a band or scroll saw?
a violin scroll has quite a bit more detail. this is a spirally thingy.
Oh, so many people believe that works, it's not even funny.
Nice toy, but still been easyer the traditional way.
watch ur fingersss!!!!!!
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Get a CNC Router :) Or do like me, make your own :)
But very nice work :)
Make it wooden with the help of the Woodbex instructions.
This is cuting a scroll, not carving, cuting...
lol wat make a guitar instead
...я руками и резцом вырежу быстрее и чище... Трата времени и сил. Механизм - XIX век.