As a kid growing up in those days, teaching myself to draw from Marvel Comics, when my older brother brought home the first North American Metal Hurlant, aka Heavy Metal it was like the world opened up. It was 20 years before North American comics even came close, and they never did capture the spirit..
I remember so fondly and vividly reading Heavy Metal growing up as a young teen and being transported to these amazing worlds. Long Live the Airtight Garage of Jerry Cornelius!
(Never understood why it was called "Heavy Metal" in the US, when the accurate translation would have been "Screaming Metal"). I I am forever thankful to my parents: I had a Druillet poster over my bed at age 6, and they let me read Metal Hurlant at he age of 10, during the 70s - in France it was suppose to be restricted to age 16+. My mother hated it, but I somehow understoof this was Art, and child should be exposed to Art, even it not "easy and nice". I have a whole bookshelf, the almost complete collection from 1975 to 1987. Metal Hurlant literally changed my life forever: the US edition, from what I saw, was very limited. Only comics. The original French edition on the other hand was an incredible, and never reproduced since them, mixture of comics, rock/pop, graphics, motion picture (SF, fantastic, thriller, adventure...), literature (novels, short stories...) publishing reviews and critics. It introduced me to *so* *many* *things*... It was just shaking my brain every month. Jean-Pierre Dionnet, the genius that put all these talents together, is forever the man I would have like to be.
God this is so good. Really gets my creative juices flowing. Your two videos made me buy a lot of the artist's work. Really hope the Moebius Foundation releases all his work in English someday.
Happy too see that some people know. about Mad Max its on me: the producer (rIp Byron Kennedy)) of Mad Max came to me to call the movie "Metal Hurlant",He said the director was a generalist doctor,he looked like "Crocodile Dundee", i don't believed he was serious....
+Jean-Pierre Dionnet Monsieur Dionnet, without your work and that of your peers at Métal Hurlant science fiction comics and cinema wouldn't be what they are today. Thanks for your comment.
Merci M'sieur Dionnet. J'ai entre les mains un Spécial Métal-Hurlant #36 de Noêl de l'époque où vous êtes hilarant! J'm'ennuie de Métal-Hurlant graaaave! Et puis, votre p'tit frère amérinoche n'a jamais été à la hauteur. Z'étiez les meilleurs, les gars!
salut !! alors la.....suis d 'accord à 10000000000000000000000 pour cent et demie avec toi ::: la version française de metal hurlant était géniale !!! j ' étais un petit fan !! avec la collec' humanoïdes associés , les tramber (pypo l 'intello et william vaurien !!! ) margerin !! , max, ouin... et le sex machine avec saint dionnet et manœuvre à la téloche...c 'était magique !!! et à mourir de rire !! hahahahaha...aaaaaaaaarglll.....biiiiip
There are two kinds of people who've watched Alien: Resurrection. 1) Those who get it because they were fans of Heavy Metal magazine. 2) Everyone else. Jeunet had a background in animation and collaborated with artists so many of his films had the look and vibe of graphic novels.
Valerian predates Star Wars by almsot ten years, and some similarities in the desings are pretty much plagiarsim. Incredible how people don't know anything about comics nowadays
*Thanks* for making this video. Every since John Carpenter and Dan O'Bannon's 1974 movie "Dark Star" watched the creative interaction between Moebius, Scott Ridley and others. The *storyboard* was a natural overlap between graphics and movies. A lot of times directors, producers, backers don't have a visual idea what the movie is to look like. Enter the graphic artist. And the cinematographer. (Same in Architecture, the renditioner/illustrator conceptually gives the form to the project which the architect, contactor and banker don't have.)
Métal Hurlant almost worked with Miller, when he was creating his first Mad Max movie. They were not big fans of the idea, so they didn't supported him very long. Too bad for them. ^^ Other fun fact : Bruce Willis character Korben Dallas was based on Métal Hurlant cab driver, designed by Möebius, and director Luc Besson hired Moëbius as designer... to designed the movie based on his own comics. The circle is complete. ^^
So the thing is, the english version of Metal Hurlant, was published in the US starting in 1977. Was James Cameron's early drawings, Terminator 1 and Aliens really inspired by Heavy Metal? Or was he on his own tangential journey and creating some original artwork mainly by reading sci-fi literature. Because coincidences do happen. I mean I looked up where he got the idea for the Exoskeleton powerloader in Aliens and one the VFX designers on Aliens said James Cameron drew it himself. I looked up the history of the powerloader and found exoskeletons from 1965 Hardiman's, 1969 Neil Mizen, 1917 and 1889. And for the inspiration for Avatar, James Cameron talks about making drawings of a Navi face inspired by a Swiss fashion model's face structure which he recounts in the book Tech-Noir. He also said that other inspirations for the Navi landscape may have come from the cover art Relayer by the band Yes. The real question is what were the direct influences on the founders of Metal Hurlant?
Yes, I do remember it. I wonder will they make The Incal novels into movies. I know theyve made one but I havent seen it yet. Without Metal Hurlant, and what became to be known as "Heavy Metal" the look of Sci-fi as we know it today wouldnt excist. It came to define more than anyone could have expected some 40 years ago.
I have actually stopped saying "I like comics" from fear of being put in the same category as childish adults whose idea of "awesome" or "interesting" is overly muscled men dressed in colorful latex fighting crime with their fists. It's so fucking sad, really. So much potential in this world of visual story telling. All to be wasted in stupid crap (aka Marvel, DC) not even a smart kid would read.
It's about time they are recognized. The three: M, D and D are it. They come at the same time as Corben, Boris but after Frazetta. All fantasy art is AF [After Frazetta], he was doing it better and longer than all put together. But only Johnny Comet and perhaps Little Abner were serialized. But this was the movement AF.
Really interesting that they considered a Heavy Metal look for Tristian and Iseult. Can i ask for the source of the concept art drawings? And if its possible to see more? I am really fascinated by this!
However Druillet, who did notably the first design for Darth Vader suit back in 1969, did actually forgive to Lucas, stating that he also took notes from the Nasa and the Navy instead of ripping off his entire work.
@@VixxKong2 He wasn't the only one either. Look at the Japanese manga market in the 70's and 80's and you can see how far-reaching Heavy Metal truly was.
Hellraiser Gordon Manga artists will, for the most, tell where they got their inspiration from The JoJo creator for example said he got Josuke's haircut from Rachel in Blade Runner and that the Stand names are inspired of american pop songs. It's not being inspired that is the problem, it's taking the elements without saying that you got the inspiration from someone else's work
@@VixxKong2 Absolutely. JoJo actually received an exhibit in the Louvre specifically because of its homage to European sensibilities and Araki is definitely a master at his craft. Other artists such as Tsutomu Nihei and Katsuhiro Otomo have also been upfront with their influences stemming from Moebius and Bilal. Very evident when seeing the original drafts for Akira and Blame! There's a fine line between plagiarism and homage, and that's separated by citation, which many authors seem to have a major problem with these days.
You (ie Abstract Loop) should put one more comment at the end: "I came up with it all myself ... I swear I didn't plagiarize* Metal Hurlant" - George Lucas [*or "Darth Plagiarize"]
Métal Hurlant have "Belgian DNA"... because Möbius, Mezieres etc. worked in Belgium.(important comic center).... Möbius was Jijé's pupil, a important belgian comic artist.....
And the French invented, in addition to mayonnaise, post-modern thought, what was called the new left in the 70s and now wokisme... But that we are less proud of...
Both "Metal Hurlant" and cinema were derived from gaudy New York sci fi pulps and British literary sci fi to consider how France was at one time a location for art and sci fi. By 1945 by military conquest Anglo American Occupation began euphemistically called NATO where Anglo American troops used pulp magazines as currency of reverse colonialism.
As a kid growing up in those days, teaching myself to draw from Marvel Comics, when my older brother brought home the first North American Metal Hurlant, aka Heavy Metal it was like the world opened up. It was 20 years before North American comics even came close, and they never did capture the spirit..
Some of Walt Simonson, Geoff Darrow, and Kaluta's work can come close.
a lot of smaller comics have similar images
Heavy Metal is still the one magazine that can take you to more places between the covers than National Geographic.
I remember so fondly and vividly reading Heavy Metal growing up as a young teen and being transported to these amazing worlds. Long Live the Airtight Garage of Jerry Cornelius!
(Never understood why it was called "Heavy Metal" in the US, when the accurate translation would have been "Screaming Metal"). I I am forever thankful to my parents: I had a Druillet poster over my bed at age 6, and they let me read Metal Hurlant at he age of 10, during the 70s - in France it was suppose to be restricted to age 16+. My mother hated it, but I somehow understoof this was Art, and child should be exposed to Art, even it not "easy and nice". I have a whole bookshelf, the almost complete collection from 1975 to 1987. Metal Hurlant literally changed my life forever: the US edition, from what I saw, was very limited. Only comics. The original French edition on the other hand was an incredible, and never reproduced since them, mixture of comics, rock/pop, graphics, motion picture (SF, fantastic, thriller, adventure...), literature (novels, short stories...) publishing reviews and critics. It introduced me to *so* *many* *things*... It was just shaking my brain every month. Jean-Pierre Dionnet, the genius that put all these talents together, is forever the man I would have like to be.
what poster ????
and : have you seen " Rock Musique " art work., or the puzzle ?????/ $$$
Moebius grew so much appreciation for Miyazaki's work that he named is daughter Nausicaa, from the Valley of The Wind lead character.
Well that and Nausica is also a greek name. I believe she was one of the sea nymphs
God this is so good. Really gets my creative juices flowing. Your two videos made me buy a lot of the artist's work. Really hope the Moebius Foundation releases all his work in English someday.
Happy too see that some people know.
about Mad Max its on me: the producer (rIp Byron Kennedy)) of Mad Max came to me to call the movie "Metal Hurlant",He said the director was a generalist doctor,he looked like "Crocodile Dundee", i don't believed he was serious....
+Jean-Pierre Dionnet Monsieur Dionnet, without your work and that of your peers at Métal Hurlant science fiction comics and cinema wouldn't be what they are today. Thanks for your comment.
Merci M'sieur Dionnet. J'ai entre les mains un Spécial Métal-Hurlant #36 de Noêl de l'époque où vous êtes hilarant! J'm'ennuie de Métal-Hurlant graaaave! Et puis, votre p'tit frère amérinoche n'a jamais été à la hauteur. Z'étiez les meilleurs, les gars!
salut !! alors la.....suis d 'accord à 10000000000000000000000 pour cent et demie avec toi ::: la version française de metal hurlant était géniale !!! j ' étais un petit fan !! avec la collec' humanoïdes associés , les tramber (pypo l 'intello et william vaurien !!! ) margerin !! , max, ouin... et le sex machine avec saint dionnet et manœuvre à la téloche...c 'était magique !!! et à mourir de rire !! hahahahaha...aaaaaaaaarglll.....biiiiip
"Valerian was co-created by artist Jean-Claude Mezieres, who also did concept art for The Fifth Element"
There are two kinds of people who've watched Alien: Resurrection.
1) Those who get it because they were fans of Heavy Metal magazine.
2) Everyone else.
Jeunet had a background in animation and collaborated with artists so many of his films had the look and vibe of graphic novels.
They missed out TRON (1982) Moebius was heavily involved in the concept art for that! 🎨🖌️💻😎🤩👍
Well made point with an enjoyable presentation.
~5.5 minutes well spent. Thanks!
This is fantastic, thanks for making it
Long live metal hurlant and heavy metal 🔥 lml
When alot of people were saying Luc Besson's new film is ripping off Star Wars it's just like HAVE YOU NEVER FUCKING HEARD OF HEAVY METAL
Motör Punx and now people saying Valerian is a rip off from Star Wars and guardians of the galaxy lol.
Valerian predates Star Wars by almsot ten years, and some similarities in the desings are pretty much plagiarsim. Incredible how people don't know anything about comics nowadays
@@JarJarBinks4ever valerian is more older than heavy metal/metal hurlant
@@boboboy8189 Yes but it was published in Heavy Metal for a bit. Ambassador of the Shadows I think was serialized in HM.
*Thanks* for making this video.
Every since John Carpenter and Dan O'Bannon's 1974 movie "Dark Star" watched the creative interaction between Moebius, Scott Ridley and others.
The *storyboard* was a natural overlap between graphics and movies. A lot of times directors, producers, backers don't have a visual idea what the movie is to look like. Enter the graphic artist. And the cinematographer.
(Same in Architecture, the renditioner/illustrator conceptually gives the form to the project which the architect, contactor and banker don't have.)
Best magazine ever
Marvellous professor of drawing design & viewpoint inside my life. Welcome to the paper with tinta china black, cheers !
Beautifully done. :)
The screenwriter of Alien, Dan O'Bannon, also wrote The Long Tomorrow comic story with Moebius.
#1 .... Is Man Good............
Dan O'Bannon also made the 1974 movie "Dark Star" with John Carpenter.
Funny how Ridley Scott, Moebius and a few others intertwined creatively.
Métal Hurlant almost worked with Miller, when he was creating his first Mad Max movie. They were not big fans of the idea, so they didn't supported him very long. Too bad for them. ^^
Other fun fact : Bruce Willis character Korben Dallas was based on Métal Hurlant cab driver, designed by Möebius, and director Luc Besson hired Moëbius as designer... to designed the movie based on his own comics. The circle is complete. ^^
Mad Max is inspired from the album "The Night" by Philippe Druillet (a Heavy Metal artist).
So the thing is, the english version of Metal Hurlant, was published in the US starting in 1977. Was James Cameron's early drawings, Terminator 1 and Aliens really inspired by Heavy Metal? Or was he on his own tangential journey and creating some original artwork mainly by reading sci-fi literature. Because coincidences do happen. I mean I looked up where he got the idea for the Exoskeleton powerloader in Aliens and one the VFX designers on Aliens said James Cameron drew it himself. I looked up the history of the powerloader and found exoskeletons from 1965 Hardiman's, 1969 Neil Mizen, 1917 and 1889. And for the inspiration for Avatar, James Cameron talks about making drawings of a Navi face inspired by a Swiss fashion model's face structure which he recounts in the book Tech-Noir. He also said that other inspirations for the Navi landscape may have come from the cover art Relayer by the band Yes.
The real question is what were the direct influences on the founders of Metal Hurlant?
Absolutely wonderful.
Creative juices,overflow.
Hell yeah! Metal Hurlant!
i kinda think a couple of these are reaching but goddamn that hellboy one is seconds away from being plagiarism
Very true the heavy metal magazine artist influenced blade runner and alien ...etc etc... does anyone remember Epic magazine.
Yes, I do remember it. I wonder will they make The Incal novels into movies. I know theyve made one but I havent seen it yet. Without Metal Hurlant,
and what became to be known as "Heavy Metal" the look of Sci-fi as we know it today wouldnt excist. It came to define more than anyone could have expected some 40 years ago.
William Gibson says that too (well he said it to me on Twitter).
No Long Tomorrow, no Blade Runner. No Giraud, No Star Wars. No Moebius, no Alien. No Dune.... No Dune.... :(
Infinite Loop Correction: no Mezieres, no Star Wars.
Euro comix and American underground comics make Marvel's and DC's comics look infantile.
Garrison Fork they are
I have actually stopped saying "I like comics" from fear of being put in the same category as childish adults whose idea of "awesome" or "interesting" is overly muscled men dressed in colorful latex fighting crime with their fists. It's so fucking sad, really. So much potential in this world of visual story telling. All to be wasted in stupid crap (aka Marvel, DC) not even a smart kid would read.
Seinen and Josei manga too !
Can't find american underground comics, do they have a website or something?
marvel has epic illustrated
I didn't see a Jodorowski mention.
Thank you.
Love Corben
I had no idea that Geof Darrow was a concept artist on The Matrix.
It was Proven how Ridley Scott copied "Alien"(1979) from a story by A.E. Van Vogt published in "Astounding" of 1939.
It's about time they are recognized. The three: M, D and D are it. They come at the same time as Corben, Boris but after Frazetta.
All fantasy art is AF [After Frazetta], he was doing it better and longer than all put together. But only Johnny Comet and perhaps Little Abner were serialized. But this was the movement AF.
Most are spot on, some are a stretch
Really interesting that they considered a Heavy Metal look for Tristian and Iseult.
Can i ask for the source of the concept art drawings? And if its possible to see more? I am really fascinated by this!
Thank the godz, for head shops in the 1970's.
Unlike the "rip-off artist" George Lucas, at least Ridley Scott confirmed he got his ideas from Moebius / Heavy Metal
However Druillet, who did notably the first design for Darth Vader suit back in 1969, did actually forgive to Lucas, stating that he also took notes from the Nasa and the Navy instead of ripping off his entire work.
andrew h
For once, I'd agree that what George Lucas did was cultural appropriation from the french sci-fi
@@VixxKong2 He wasn't the only one either. Look at the Japanese manga market in the 70's and 80's and you can see how far-reaching Heavy Metal truly was.
Hellraiser Gordon
Manga artists will, for the most, tell where they got their inspiration from
The JoJo creator for example said he got Josuke's haircut from Rachel in Blade Runner and that the Stand names are inspired of american pop songs.
It's not being inspired that is the problem, it's taking the elements without saying that you got the inspiration from someone else's work
@@VixxKong2 Absolutely. JoJo actually received an exhibit in the Louvre specifically because of its homage to European sensibilities and Araki is definitely a master at his craft. Other artists such as Tsutomu Nihei and Katsuhiro Otomo have also been upfront with their influences stemming from Moebius and Bilal. Very evident when seeing the original drafts for Akira and Blame! There's a fine line between plagiarism and homage, and that's separated by citation, which many authors seem to have a major problem with these days.
Does anyone know where the clip at 1:57 is from? Any help is much appreciated
You (ie Abstract Loop) should put one more comment at the end:
"I came up with it all myself ... I swear I didn't plagiarize* Metal Hurlant" - George Lucas [*or "Darth Plagiarize"]
Métal Hurlant have "Belgian DNA"... because Möbius, Mezieres etc. worked in Belgium.(important comic center).... Möbius was Jijé's pupil, a important belgian comic artist.....
Avatar = Roger Dean
Where can I read the comics?
And the French invented, in addition to mayonnaise, post-modern thought, what was called the new left in the 70s and now wokisme... But that we are less proud of...
What's the name of the comic in the point 00:34?
Druillet's "Salammbo"
@@abstractloop7331 muchas gracias, ya investigue y creo que me va a encantar ese cómic!!!
What's the name of the French artist that Rutger Hauer mentions at 2:57?
+maxonfire67 Enki Bilal
Thanks
Enki Bilal
Enki Bilal who' s made "Exterminateur 17" the story of a rebel robot like the replicant in "Blade runner".
@@Serguei506yeah
Anyone know where to read these comics free online?
They're on archive.org.
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"Das ist alles nur geklaut" ... German Song
..... Is Man Good ? ..........
Both "Metal Hurlant" and cinema were derived from gaudy New York sci fi pulps and British literary sci fi to consider how France was at one time a location for art and sci fi.
By 1945 by military conquest Anglo American Occupation began euphemistically called NATO where Anglo American troops used pulp magazines as currency of reverse colonialism.
So essentially you are saying that the sci-fi pulps from US and UK in the 40s and 50s directly inspired the founders of Metal Hurlant?
@@Sska29why not
Métal Hurlant article: chiasmusmagazine.blogspot.com/2022/05/metal-hurlant-1974-1987-revolution-of_14.html