Why Did The Aliens Pick Earth? | Three Body Problem Series
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- Here's a question people often ask regarding this series of science fiction books by Cixin Liu. Why did the Trisolarans choose earth out of millions of other worlds? (Some Spoilers)
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This video sent a cold chill right through me. That the deliberate, nihilistic choice of a single person could doom humanity is very, very scary. And all too real.
All the more reason we need to start colonizing the Solar System ASAP. It's foolish to put all your eggs in a single basket
Facts and our ( Human) history proves it 100%!
The problem is that there is people who is constantly getting their lives ruined in a daily basis by tyrants and invaders... I really wouldn't blame them if those victims were to betray the human race given the chance.
It reminds me of that Russian who saved the world by Not pushing the button. Amazing that saving or dooming the earth can rely on only one person. Very scary.
@@tirzahgayla Happened actually twice during Cold War, both times it was Russians who decided to bite the bullet and take the bet that an actual hot war hadn't started. #1 was Vassili Arkhipov, 1st officer in a Soviet submarine that got isolated from the Soviet fleet during the Cuban missile crisis and started receiving a "rain" of depth charges from US Navy, who were trying to force the sub to emerge. Inside the sub, the captain and the political officer believed the war had already started and were ready to use their keys to activate the nuclear-tipped torpedoes. The 1st officer, however, adamantly refused to produce his key and, under a lot of pressure (imagine your sub violently shaking from one side to the other) and after half an hour of discussions, managed to convince the other 2 to emerge and see what was going on. #2 was colonel Petrov, in charge of a Soviet radar in Siberia, who in the middle of the night was notified that the Soviet satellite spies had detected a launch from US soil. At 1st he thought it was a computer error, it was impossible that a 1st strike would involve just one launch. But then another "launch" was detected, then another, then another. In the end, it was about 10 "missiles" which were flying towards USSR, now THAT was starting to look like one of the possible scenarios he'd seen in his training. He decided he wouldn't either notify his superiors nor order the nukes in his base to be set ready to launch, and decided to wait until his ground-based radar gave a possitive signal. After some minutes had passed (which would've reduced Soviet reaction times to less the 5 mins), neither his nor any other radar in the vicinty reported anything flying, so he concluded it had all been a computer bug. Latter he was repriminded for taking that decision himself, but during the subsequent military trial a number of bugs in the computer code and errors in the standard procedure guidelines were found, so in the end the issue was moved under the rug and he was just sent into early retirement, so as not to embarrass Soviet authorities
"Humans take for granted that they live on a paradise world"
1) game begins
2) choose world type
3) humans --> gaia/paradise world
4) what spoiled humans think: we have chosen "boring world" as our spawn location...
We really don't. The Universe just sucks.
Maybe now, but when we first started out we we're a death world. Ice age and literal monsters snatching us up in the dark.
Its not paradise we just evolved here pretty sure Alien wouldnt fthink ots paradise
We adapted to the world we're born into, if a specie adapted to a world with lighter gravity, they'd think Earth is a hell hole compare to their world. The term "paradise world" is based on human experience, not alien imo
I like how the author encapsulated what true evil looks like: a person at the wrong time and wrong place with malicious intent and a grudge to settle at any cost.
What about those who set up the series of events which led the person to make the decision? Those people see the rest of humanity as cattle
Something has been bothering me since I first watched the show. I can’t seem to find the answer. Maybe I missed a scene or something.
The question is, when Dr. Ye (the woman that made the first contact with Aliens), a “good” alien told her not to contact them because the aliens will kill mankind. Then the show made it seem like the aliens only made that decision to kill the mankind only after finding out mankind can lie. However, hints were placed throughout the story that even before the aliens found out humans can lie, they were already planning on killing humans. Examples: killing scientist and not letting scientist further their experiments. Also it was funny how they only found out humans can lie after the conversation with Evan’s because they were able to see everything from the beginning. So that means they know humans can lie before the crucial conversation.
Can anyone answer my questions?
Much appreciated.
You're right
@@mtc343 I thought the Trisolarans were going to wipe out humans with the exception of Ye Wenjie, Evans and ETO. After the Trisolarans found out they couldn't trust any humans, they stopped talking to Evans and decided that all humans needed to go without exception.
@@tvgerbil1984I don't think so it's just means there's good and bad in there species why would present 2 sides of them one trying to help
The thing that got me in the book was how quickly and callously she responded to the warning, She didn't even expect an answer to her initial message and the enormity of her discovery didn't phase her. Without a second thought she replies 'I will help you conquer this world'. Sent chills down my spine when I read that!!
She took a bet, aliens couldn't be worse than Earth people.
The reply from the Aliens was eerie to me, I legitimately couldn't imagine a more frightening response to a transmission.
That’s the power of an active character in stories, it gets people excited even if they’re doing something horrible.
What if it has already happened?
@@0lemus0lent05 Fingers crossed...LOL
Quinn: "These books are science fiction"
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Another extremely unsettling element to this part of the story is that Ye Wenjie is never mentioned once there series goes further into the future. She doomed the entire Earth to the fate that eventually befell it yet very few people knew who she was
Even more unsettling is that the trisolarans should have been on their way to earth regardless of Ye's actions. They're from a doomed solar system and needed to find a new home. That need existed regardless of humans existence.
Not exactly true, her conversation with Luo Ji is the reason Trisolaris is so interested in assassinating him. She is the reason they fear him. He also visits her grave at the end of The Dark Forest, because he recognizes what an important figure she was.
@@TheCBScott7but they don't want to be found by a more powerful civilisations so they can't just go looking for a new world easily
@@eamonreidy9534 Their system was dying, they knew our system existed long before ever hearing from us... we are their closest galactic neighbor... they would have been on their way already before the stories ever took place...
@@TheCBScott7 their system wasn't dying. They just feared a potential outcome where their planet became destroyed. And again, the central tenant of the book is the dark forest, they knew about it and thus didn't explore much of the universe. Indeed they tried with the sophons and found out most of space disengaged them. Exploring our solar system risked immediate destruction.
When that scientist sent the signal despite being told that it would doom us I actually cried. 😭 It was the most human response and thus scary af.
yeah, she's kind of the villian but i understood why she did it, even more today with everything that's going on in the world.
It was the author punishing mankind for the sins of communism
I wouldnt say its the most human thing btw and thats kinda missing the point. Because whose to say that another human who'd have recieve the message would do the same as she did? The entire point was that a species is not an organization, they can have different ideas and idfferent values.
The scientist wanted a restorative authoritarian regime. The desire for a "strong man to set things right" you might say
The most scary thing is that she had no idea if the war she was about to start would leave things much much worse than it already was. Even going by the history of war, it leaves the area devastated for years afterwards... and yet she still did it.
I’m surprised anyone asks this question because what you described in the video is made absolutely clear in the book. Trisolaris wouldn’t have known a thing about earth and the civ on it unless contacted first, just like how we know nothing about any civ that might exist in the alpha centauri system.
not really realistic comparing our civilisation (and what we know of the universe) to the trisolarians!?
@@leonefurlan137 In most regards, yes, but tri solaris really didn't know about us at all.
@@KyleHarmieson Yes the book is super clear about all of this. It’s part of the whole background in the first book that gets expanded further upon with the dark forest ideas in the later books.
I mean...this is LITERALLY what creates the story in the first place. this video is beyond pointless. reading the back of the book probably already tells you this
@@svenlauke1190 What if you dont have the book?
Keep the three Body problem content going man. You are the only one!
Also it would be cool the see more science fiction literature related content. ¿What do you think about The southern reach trilogy?
I love that series! I recommended it the other day when he posted asking for favorite sci-fi books
Anhilation?
Ditto!
Thanks will check it out, been looking for sci fi recommendations since I read tbp. Left me kind of wanting something like that again
Although not as meaty as some it's def a good read. Learned about books after visiting "Tate's Hell" for a photoshoot gig. Def Quinn!!!!!
This channel has already become my favorite Sci-Fi channel on this platform, simply because of all the videos about Dune and the Three-Body Problem. Tremendously insightful and interesting videos. 👍🏻
I hope he covers Flying to Valhalla, The Killing Star, Lucifer's Hammer, The Mote in God's Eye, The Culture Series, Blindsight, and more in the future. I hope he continues with the Hyperion Cantos, too.
@@wayfaringman8418 all these would be fascinating to hear about.
The Bible proves there is no life in outer space. "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15, KJV). Thus, Earth is the only world with creatures on it.
I like it a lot too.
Dune suck
I have two all time favorite scenes in the Remeberance of Earth's Past series.
1. Is when Lou Ji explains the dark forest concept to Da Shi.
2. When the first Sophon is successfully created and when they ask what it can see it says something along the lines of: "Yes I can see the observation chamber and everyone in it ... I can also see your organs, and the organs within your organs."
And the Pricep is just scared and utters: "... what is it saying?" Lmfao.
Absolutely great moments. Lou Ji explaining the dark forest theory is up there for me too. I also love when the Frederick Tylors wall breaker reveals his plane, and the droplets attack!
Besides the disappointment with humanity, her the biggest mistake was the thought that the Trisolarans would care for the survival of humanity. Loved this series pointing out so interesting topics like "the Dark Forest" and the nature of the universe. Certainly will re-read in the future
Correct.
She did. I thought she said come conquer us. Do the ETO think they will be spared?
@@bizonc I need to reread to be certain, but her thoughts were something in the likes of "they need to stir us from our current path" or something like that (and ETO ethos was hers) She was accounting for some sort of autruistic attitude from Them. They always disregarded humanity and only by the end of the wallfacer program that they started respecting our civilization to some extent. And respect is not something that would give Trisolarans the will to care for us, moreover the contrary, marking humanity as a danger to their survival
@@sphyrnazygaena2690 thank you. Appreciate the context. Always had the books on my list but I have not read them. I am on episode 22 of the Chinese tv series. First book arrived.
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The Three Body Problem is possibly the greatest Sci Fi epic I have ever read. I grew up on Tolkein, Aasimov, Card, and Herbert....this book series stands with Dune and LOTR as one of the great literary works of fiction. I cannot recommend it strongly enough, either in print or in audiobook.
2 books was great but the final one was you could say ' what the fuck' , sometimes Science stuffs goes on forever.
I read the first one and was bored endless. All the authors you mentioned I love, but TTBP just wasn't for me.
@@FrancT- Try the audiobook. I did all 3 like that. Good narration on Audible.
@@animetalkhindi9032 Oh for sure, it went "Full Chapterhouse" IE the end of the DUNE trilogy. Bizzare, mindbending, and completely impossible to ever do in movie form.
@Frank Thinnes There are similarities in the way they handle time scales. I read Hyperion many years ago and there's certainly nothing like the Shrike in TTBP. :D
I think Stephen Hawking read the books. He warned about trying to contact alien civilizations. (I love that they can dehydrate and hydrate themselves to deal with their plant's instability.) I am still thinking about this trilogy. It really shook me up. Why? Because it brings home there are so many possibilities on who lives in the universe and how naive we are.
The scene with the graveyards in the fragment of the 4th dimension ... just mind-blowing. And the choices the fleeing ships had to make was brilliantly portrayed. Maybe I need to read this again... It also inspired me to start reading fiction that is translated from other countries. The different cultural perspectives are rewarding.
This was from China, a nation that isn't exactly the winning nation be it progress (most of its development was based on Western tech) or victorious conquest.
Our planet had dominant species in the form of dinosaurs that were wiped out millions of years ago and things were set back a bit to where humans could rise up. Humans took an estimated 6 million years to finish evolving to our current state, the dinosaurs went extinct about 65million years ago. That means that there is potentially a group of aliens that started evolving at the same time our dinosaurs were evolving and finished the same amount of evolution 50 million years ago. Imagine how technologically advanced humanity would be 50 million years in the future compared to us now...
@@silverhawkscape2677 they did make paper & hun powder tho
@@ogolow570 And got beaten by a nation with superior gunpowder weapons.
@@silverhawkscape2677 what are you talking about man, China is one of the world’s greatest civilizations it has existed for like 4000+ years, just as worthy as any of the other great civilizations throughout human history and across the world, they are a big piece of the collective tapestry of humanity. To demean it the way you do is weird and frankly seems sinophobic.
In our universe, our Ye Wenjie is named Carl Sagan. Unlike Ye Wenjie, Carl didn’t do it out of malice but he put a map of our solar system’s location on some golden discs on some Voyager spacecraft
The difference is that Carl Sagan didn't respond to a warning with a "bring it" response of his own.
not gonna lie, someone should send a LS spacecraft and stop that Voyager as soon as possible!@@cecilr7986
The location of Earth as dictated on the golden disc is actually useless though... we based it on 14 Pulsars... but we didn't realize at the time that there are millions of them or something along those lines. Basically, no sentient being would be able to figure out what we meant, not even approximately. It would be like deciphering a treasure map written by a child, actually far worse. It would be like saying we are in the middle of some trees... but there's a forest of a million trees.
Truth is, Voyager will never be found, and at its rate of speed, we will be long extinct before it even gets a few stars out. If we're still around, we will likely have Gen Ships enroute to their targets already.
@@gravelpit5680 You just need to calculate the voyager's initial trajectory.
@alcidesflach depending on time that would prove useless because stars move. Also, gravity fields will alter the Voyagers trajectory. Lets play silly sci fi fantasy, let's say it's adrfit 5000 years and some hostile AI bots find it. Well, they wouldn't need it anyway because it hasn't even left the local neighborhood and they're already on top of us. If it's adrift for 500,000 years or more, others stars gravity affecting it and the moving of stars is gonna make finding its original source extremely difficult. But all this is useless conjecture anyway because no species will ever see Voyager ... ever ... even if it's out there 500,000,000 years. Anyone who thinks it will be found by Aliens really doesn't understand how big space is, or how rare species like us are.
In all honesty, we can't hide Earth's life or the lights on Earth's nightside which can be seen by aliens thru the 'string of pearls' gravity lensing method 1000s of lightyears away. But who cares if they do see us, big whoop, because FTL is not possible in this Universe. The LAWS of physics make star travel impossible, especially anything over say 10 lightyears. It's possible for a civilization to create a big slow Gen Ship and colonize a world 5 lightyears away but it will take them oh about 400,000 years.
The most breaking I find is that after Ye Wenjie sent the message children came from the nearby children begging Ye wenjie and the red coast to teach them. Soon after, during new year when Ye Wenjie was alone at red coast base her students came to her carrying soup and keeping it war whike climbing the hill. After that she was taken in by a family in the village. Soon as she grew old she was taking care of the neigbhor's children for them.
And yet she condemend all of humanity to its death. Because those who killed her father who suffered more than her doesn't want to talk of the past anymore.
There is alot about this book that doesn't make sense. People (and consequently "science") are made to do things all in effort for the author to make his dark forest concept a reality in his stories.
Part of why I have hated this series of books with a passion since people started lauding it as a science fiction master piece.
@@mindliss92 cry more, maybe the hugo and galaxy awards will take back their awards
@@mindliss92 no one cares dork
@@mindliss92 You must have missed the part where humans are overwhelmingly selfish / self-centered. I mean, not just in books, but as a rule.
it's amazing that wenjie, a victim of colonialisation, thinks that she can negotiate with another coloniser from space. like... girliepop. not only are you a bootlicker, but you still have the naive thought that a coloniser will CARE about changing your world into someplace 'better' once they have their hands on it? wow.
The question of why they picked Earth has an implicit "Why'd they wait so long to try leaving their solar system at all?" burried in it, which is the real question I think.
Like, just sitting on Trisolaris with a telescope looking around the stellar neighborhood... a bunch of rocky planets at varying degrees of closeness to a single, stable star... only 4 light years away... the Sol system definitely seems worth a try. It's an obvious target. Why'd they wait until humanity started babbling at the stars to go colonize it? Why didn't they conquer the Earth a thousand years ago?
I think the answer comes back to dark forest theory. The Trisolarans saw the universe as a dark forest, which makes the prospect of visiting any nearby star-system, no matter how tempting it's conditions might appear from a distance, a terrifying prospect. It might be inhabited, and the inhabitatants might learn where the visitors come from, and they might have solar-system annihilating weapons and a will to use them.
Only when they learned that earth was inhabited, but not inhabited by a race with significant space-warfare capabilities, were they brave enough to set out to take it.
The message from Earth didn't clue them in to Earth's existence. They already knew it was there. The message told them that there was no significant risk of retaliation for an invasion/colonization of the Sol system... something that had previously terrorized them into avoiding any star systems outside their own. It was the only place they could go without the risk of bumping into an impossibly advanced, wildly genocidal race.
The presence of collaborators they could work with or the environment of Earth were significant to their strategy for how to go about conquering Sol, but not to their decision to do it.
@@automaticninjaassaultcat3703 Did you confuse the Trisolarans with other powers or something? They are nowhere near being the deadliest hunter in the forest and they are explicitly described as being terrified of the dark forest.
And did you skip to the second book without reading The Three Body Problem? One of the most important elements of that book is that Alpha Centauri (their home system) is uniquely, improbably hostile. It is more dangerous to its inhabitants than almost any planetary system imaginable. Even if the planet Earth didn't exist at all, the Sol system would still be more hospitable to the Trisolarans than the Alpha Centauri of the novel. They didn't need the existence of suitable "prey" to motivate them.
Absent something they found more frightening than the literal, inevitable destruction of their home planet, a failure to colonize Sol on their part would simply be a civilization-level suicide (Something the novels suggest to be impossible)
It is clearly something about their psychology, because they had already solved the problems of their inconsistent planet simply by the scale of their entering space.
The trilogy has a lot of plot holes. The author tries to make explanations even for the humans but I think he is making analogies to Communist China, USA, Soviet Union, NK, and even imperial ancient China. He has many historical analogies throughout the trilogy. So yeah there is major plot holes (like the waifu wife stereotype).
@@AryaStarkTheExplorer
I think Howard Taylor’s “Schlock Mercenary” series tackles the 3-Body Problem/Fermi Paradox from an ALMOST uniquely brilliant angle. Without spoiling the specifics, He posits that something about the necessity of the simplest possible form of FTL travel, once achieved by a civilization, inevitably results in a major backlash from nature, that some fundamental force cannot tolerate, and no one had yet overcome in billions of years of trying. It far more complex than that, but that’s a keystone element to the overall plot.
@@AryaStarkTheExplorer Yes and Scientific plot holes. A race as advanced as the Trisolarians would for example have no issues at all picking up our broadcasts at 4.5 lightyears distance - we've been broadcasting into space powerfully enough since the start of the cold war, and we could even detect ourselves at this distance using 1950's technology. The physics of the Alpha Centauri system are all wrong too, and I really doubt given the chaotic system presented anything would ever have evolved in that system, let alone making it to a sapient species with technology hundreds of years in advance of ours... lots of others I could list... ultimately though I don't care, it's a great series with a lot of unique ideas - but the author clearly places realism second to putting forward those ideas.
I recomend "La Guerra de los Antartes" a graphic novel by H. G. Oesterheld. In it, Earth is invaded by aliens, but instead of conquering all of it, they conquer just a part of it and then strike a deal with the United States which basically meant that if the United States just lets the aliens run the places they conquered however they want, they will not conquer the United States.
sounds like something united states would do
@@Josuh lmao Fr
That already happened. Why do you think the US hides ufo and “alien” encounters….
@@Josuh sounds like what any big country will do on that situation.
@@ShadowFri3nd yeah but specially the us lol
I hadnt read a book for 10 years and when i saw your video on the series , i got the 3 books and read all of them in 2 weeks and will definitely read them again. Great job , im grateful to you , keep it up.
Le Guin tackled some of the coolest concepts! The Dispossessed is an awesome work on how anarchism could work, and has some solid critiques.
‘Mandatory labor one month a year . This is anarchism’
@@blainem2258 wow, that's quite a distilled summary lmao
@@edespericueta XDD but how do you enforce mandatory anything in anachism? there aren't any cops right? :D
So how does THAT work? I bet that right there causes a splinter group to form from the main anarchist group haha :XDD
@@DekkarJr by indoctrinating people their whole life and when people don't like their customs then they will be chastised, isolated and or killed.
Anarchism could never and will never work. After all institutions of authority would be destroyed, the first man to assemble 10 armed men who don't want to farm but would rather take a portion of the food in exchange for not killing you would be the new government and authority.
Recently discovered your channel, really enjoy your in-depth discussions!
His Dune content is 👌👌
One of those hidden gems of youtube
Welcome!
Same here
Please make a video about the Strugatsky brother’s Roadside Picnic! It would be awesome.
Imagine you and your mates are on a road trip. Along the way you decide to take a break near the the road. You guys proceed to have a quick lunch break, and continue onward with your travels. Eventually the critters and animals come across your roadside picnic. They come across edible leftovers, some batteries, a lost phone, some plastic bags, and other forgotten items or junk. Some things are beneficial to the animals’s survival, others are potential hazards, and some things are so advanced that the animals can’t even comprehend what those items are.
That is the premise of Roadside Picnic. Aliens stopped at earth for a quick minute, without even the thought of seeing us as a civilization, and left just as fast as they arrived. These “zones” they left behind are very dangerous, and so-called stalkers illegally enter the zone and find potentially valuable scraps.
The Dark Forest is my favorite book from the trilogy. Looking forward to your video on that. The Remembrance of Earth’s Past books are the most mind-warping books I’ve read as an adult
I loved how he wrote the two accounts of the messages,
The chapters where Wenjie and the listener send their respective messages are very similar in their wording. It has a poetic symmetry
Your videos have convinced me to read this series. I'm always so fascinated by cosmic horror like these ever since I played the Mass Effect games in high school years ago
Mass Effect 3's ending -- man, that still kills me. I wish bio-ware would have addressed that issue in a mature way
Just finished the trilogy, based on your recommendation. One question I was left with was why whichever race destroyed Trisolaris didn't also destroy Earth out of hand at the same time. The technician that ends up doing the deed also wonders that, but it's never brought up again. I can only assume that race only had access to the photoid method, not the more drastic plan B (or maybe their supervisor was in a meeting and they couldn't get signoff and moved on).
SPOILERS --- The Galactic Humans destroyed Trisolaris and they also carried on to win the war of annihilation against Singer's species (hints are dropped in the book, but it isn't outright said as those are backround-plots). Note: This is also my interpretation, it makes the most sense to me, the mechanics work because of time dilation and the human access to the 4th dimension
@@GQBouncer i dont think thats correct the last book written by another author with the originals blessing it tells you they are a seperate species. When the humans triggered the signal it told the location of trisolaris. It took awhile for singers race to trace earth systems location.
@@GQBouncer singer talks of the humans and how theyve been fighting them for a million or so years. If humans had time travel they would just change the past to win. They do travel in time but only ever forward not backwards
they discovered the original Earth-Trisolar signals later. it took a while for their probes to pick up the echoes of the communication, once they were in range to ‘cleanse’ trisolaris
In one part, when humanity uses their brand new telescope to look at Trisolaris, they noticed some weird trails outside their solar system, like scars on the space-time fabric. It was because the new propulsion system developed by Trisolarians that allowed them to travel almost as fast as light also was very destructive, so they used it at a safe diatance far away from their star, but still close, in an astronomical sense. Those marks alone were like footprints, it made the tracking process faster and more accurate.
Destroying solar systems must be expensive so they don't attack until they are 100%sure
Whenever I feel I’ve reached the end of the internet, losing interest I. UA-cam and streaming TV, I remember Quinn’s channel and all is right in the world again.
Ok. So i just finished the series on Netflix. I now know there are books for this series. Your videos pop up when searching for content on this series. It feels like your videos are the icing on the cake. Now I have to read the books and plans to come back to your videos when done.
Honestly that's probably one of the best resume of the first book that I got to hear, revealing just enough stuff to make you want to read it
Great video as always
Given Fermi's paradox, the whole dark forest idea sent chills down my spine. It might be just the truth. Although I don't see why an advanced alien civilization wouldn't be preemptively scanning ALL solar systems for competition.
@Sabizos (1) you can scan without being scanned, and (2) when you start such a program you are the bid bad race, or else you would already have been obliterated
If they scanned the area around you , not only would you waste resources but it could have the chance of other and more advance civilisations tracing it back to you . Dooming their civilisation
The line "Do not answer! Do not answer!" Gives a shiver in my spine.
This is one of the most genius narratives I've ever heard, OMG 10/10
This "Tree Body Problem" audio-book is definitely gonna be my favorite since right now lol
I love that we get these kinds of books in fiction. I think that, if the universe has life beyond earth, it wouldn't be a dark forest. But it wouldn't be a paradise either. So it's great that we speculate and think about the different possibilities that we may find, and The Remembrance of Earth Past series is an awesome thought experiment about the possible unknown unknowns of the cosmos.
I’ve recently rewatched all of your TBP videos a couple of times. The ideas have really gripped me and I look forward to more content about it from you.
the dark forest is my favorite of the three seeing human life reacting to the incoming invasion
I'm going to check this one out! I lived in China for almost 10 years, and this makes a great deal of sense in that context. Having experienced both Easter and Western cultures and their contradictions I can see how one might actually arrive at the nihilistic idea that you've described
Damn. I wish I had the patience to read books since you sold that premise to perfection. I've never seen any movie depict those themes so well.
I really loved Three Body Problem trilogy. My favorite book is Dark Forest, my mind was so blown away in some parts of it. Just great. Have you read Blindsight by Peter Watts? So effin great too, but a lot harder language to read
Thank you for making these videos on this series, I probably never would have heard of The Three Body Problem otherwise and having recently finished listening to the audiobooks it's now some of my favourite science fiction!
It's just a big simpsoms reference, "I, for one, welcome our insect overlords!"
I discovered this book on this channel and now all I want to do is hear you discuss it. Keep the good work up
This channel really scratches an itch that I never could scratch unless I was reading/lost in a novel. Glad I found the channel buddy, keep it up!
I'm so happy your covering three body problem more. I am so interested in this and can't wait to read it myself even after watching you cover it so extensively
Omg omg, I've been waiting for this. Anything about this series is my favorite thing you talk about.
I see what you did there, Quinn!!! ;)
Quinn displayed the 3 books on top of the book "The Redemption of Time", by Baoshu. It's the semi-official 4th book of the series, written by a fan but endorsed by Cixin Liu.
You've single-handedly reignited my love for sci-fi as a genre and I use your channel regularly as a book rec source. I thought I'd seen everything sci-fi has to offer.. I'm so glad I was wrong. Really appreciate the time and effort you put to your videos. Keep it up!
I've been following your channel for awhile now and your videos are so good breakdown the stories/lore. You've inspired me to pick up this whole series and I don't even read a ton. Keep doing what you are doing.
Dude, you put this series on my radar. Thank you so much. Keep it going!
I’m glad you’re talking about “The Three Body Problem “ I’ve been wanting to read the book, but life you know. I love all the reviews and summaries you do.
Thank You very very much.
So stoked you’ve read and enjoyed and are making a video on Book of the New Sun. It’s up there with Dune as my all time favorite. Three body is pure class as well!
Me too. Wolfe is a great writer. Quinn just asked for recommendations and Book of the Long Sun was my main one and then this pops up. Latro in the Mist is another favorite of mine by Gene Wolfe.
Great news.
I've watched a lot of your videos but these Three-Body Problem videos have really drawn me in. Can't wait for the next one(s).
I'm relatively new to science fiction literature, your channel has helped so much for grasping new ideas and giving me recommendations and such, keep up the good work!
Been with you since day one and im so glad I found ya. Please never lose your original style .. you’re another unique voice in this YT world- that sounds kinda contrasting but it ain’t. You are one of a good few. One of the best. Much love from UK
Hey Quinn, just a warm terrestrial message. Going through UA-cam Sci-fi videos, this popped up.
My folks are/were physics professors (seriously). Seeing your videos prompted me to ask them about this series. Hearing about their experiences in post cultural revolution in China (1980's) gives more thought.
I just started reading these, thanks to your videos. The Dune mythology is so cool too.
So terrifying the end result! I was advised that this has so much more to do with Chinese society... But we shall see.
Thanks for the excellent recommendations and scholarship on the sci-fi and fantasy and horror.
Seeing you think about the issue from the perspective of the Cultural Revolution, I think this is the right direction. In fact, the history of the Cultural Revolution is not something that can be finished in just a few words, if you can really understand how things started and see contemporary Chinese history with an Eastern perspective. From the reform and opening up in the 80s to modern China now, it will help a lot to understand Ye's actions and Luo's initiatives in the book, as well as author Liu's motivation for writing and story structure. It can very much remove the sense of unfamiliarity in a different cultural environment. By the way, Netflix is going to adapt the book into a TV series soon. I hope they will really heed the historical background of Ye Wenjie in the first part of the book, otherwise the filming will really be contrary to the original. Most of the Chinese readers are counting on this ...... I'm in the same boat.
I've been really excited for you to talk more about this series, I really really really love your videos covering the Rememberance of Earth's past trilogy.
Again, you are the reason I read these books, and the series has become my favorite, by far. So thanks again!
Yes man, thanks! I absolutely loved this series! The first book didn't hit me off instantly, but two years later I devoured the two consecutive parts. It just has it all. Tons of ideas, questions, philosophy, intense moments and tension. Truly one of the best Sci fi book series out there.
Every time you make a video, it's presented in such a fascinating and gripping way. I haven't read these books yet but man, the more I learn about them here, even if they're only snippets, the more amazing this trilogy seems. It's chilling to consider that we might be only a century or two away from such a possibility, and there are many "traitors" to Humanity, much as there are traitors to causes nowadays.
The "terrorist" of one guy is the "freedom fighter" of the next guy. Our inherent diversity of ideas is a strength, rather than a weakness, because no matter how seriously a gov't fucks off, there's always a small remnant of individuals that will see the truth and avoid perishing with all the rest. Sadly, that also means that there will always be stubborn individuals who refuse to do something that ultimately is for either their own good or the collective good, just because.
I am currently reading the three body problem and everytime you release a new video it is so hard for me to wait until i've finished it. Im so excited to watch your content!!!! thank you for getting me into this book and It has truly so far been one of the best i've ever read.
I really like the strobe light effect you added to the scenes with the books near the shelf. Very cool!
Hey Quinn. Just wanted to say thanks. I've been subscribed since the game of thrones UA-cam boom and I've always enjoyed your content.
Truthfully I read a lot, like a lot alot. And I go through phases. Classics, crime novels, etc. Lately I've been searching for the next phase. You got me into Dune, which I can't thank you enough for and in the last week I've started Hyperion and next up will be this series because of the overviews you've given on both series'.
So also thanks for helping me find the next thing my brain can get hooked on. Excellent work as always.
Phenomenal content. Thank you for bringing me back into the literary fold.
Audio books and some Archeo-papyrus based text are part of my diet again, with some of the ones you recommended up first.
Which got me thinking, have You done any audio-book/voice work? If not, I for one would love to see it if it were something you’d be willing to pursue.
So excited to hear you’re working on a video about The Dispossessed!
This book series still frequently haunts my nightmares.
I resent the notion that earth could be a paradise world. While it is certainly possible, it has more in common with a death world. So many things have evolved to kill, even things that aren't necessarily carnivorous have evolved ways to kill their hunters. It is also quite hostile to human life. We've just adapted to it. Or rather, we adapted the environment to ourselves. We currently have a lot of comfort, this is true, but it took a lot of time and effort to get here.
If you read this series carefully…you can’t help but be filled an unshakable existential dread that lingers long after finishing it.
Your videos are so mesmerizing! Your narration, plus an always amazing choice of music and images. Just super engrossing. You‘re THE voice of good scifi literature.
Love your videos Quinn ❤️🙏 Getting my tires changed, sitting in the lobby, occaisonally looking out the window on the soft rain. A paradise indeed✨
Quinn introduces me to all sorts of cool shit and im eternally grateful for that
It doesn't make sense that the Trisolarans didn't discover earth given their advanced tech level and that our solar system is only 4 light years away. Message or not, they should have already been on their way to earth without being prompted and invited.
Thank you for introducing me to this series and finding my passion for reading again
I’ve started listening to the first book a few days ago. All because of you Quinn. Thanks man :)
Yesss I got on YT and my man quinn just dropped!
This search for human understanding of something so alien reminded me of a historical description from the point of view of the Aztecs when the Spaniards arrived in "Mexico".
It's very fantastic and frightening to have a historical written record of this description. I think trisolaris and its technology would have the same impact as someone from pre-Columbian America seeing a cannon or a firearm.
The trilogy of the Three-Body Problem is the closest (in my opinion) to a "real" cosmicist aspect: the very life of the universe is brutal and indifferent to life itself. It's scary to think that the existence of life is something overrated in the Cosmos.
Cierto!
As someone who is part Aztec, yeah this is on point.
Describing advanced technology from foreign ‘visitors’ really hammers home a certain indifference that makes it hard to just defend against. Never read Three Body Problem though, currently going through the Expanse instead.
nah, the Aztecs and the Spanish were only So Human.
The Aztec Imperial "bureaucracy" or heirarchy was basically essential to establishing spanish rule in mexico, via essentially replacing the Aztecs as Hegemon
do you happen to have any pointers to that historical descroption?
Absolutely. I think conquistadors had some diplomatic invitation that they essentially tricked the Aztecs with? Aztecs expecting another trading "species" but such "aliens" saw them as below them, possessing the developed steel and gunpowder tech to wipe them out easily.
I don't know if there is an analogy to the contact scenario though (you find a continent or don't right, there were only about three to discover! Not 1000000000).
But in terms of those who invited or or opposed maybe there is a representation of something in the video.
Your description of this book makes me want to go and read it! Thank you
Love this channel. The deep dives into different series are very entertaining, keep it man!
read through the whole trilogy while at work thanks to your recommendation. the third book really stalled out but i loved some of the philosophical concepts during the series. Strong 8 out of ten.
Can't wait for your Dispossessed video!! That's the name I usually use for my avatars. I love Three Body Problem, think about it a lot and sometimes dream about it. Have you read Piers Anthony's Macroscope? I think you'd really like it.
As always, love your work man! Been hankering for more of your videos on the three-body problem especially.
Gotta say this channel is VERY good at what it does. Very good narrative cohesion, good voice, good visuals. I hope Quinn's is using thoses skills at it full potential because he is very talented.
I bet that trisolaran pacifist was confused as hell when they got her message
Wow i wonder if their is someone out their sending messages into space in hopes of aliens coming to conquer our world
Makes my week every time a new video comes out, love what you do man
I loved the Three Body Problem series. Thanks a bunch for covering it. Fantastic videos and analysis.
I just finished reading the whole Solar Cycle by Gene Wolfe just last night. This is the second read and easier than the first. It's quite a maddening piece of work but also interesting and challenging.
What is your opinion on the 4th book? It wasn't written by the author but it was given his blessing. It literally is a side sequel fan fic. He liked it and wanted the fan to publish it.
I love how you break this series down. Your voice is like an amazing school teacher I had in sixth grade who told us scientific stories about aliens. I went to a science magnet school and this brings back memories.
Not long finished this thought provoking trilogy- and your summary was insightful. Thanks
I have to say, these books were very hard to read. Loved the concepts throughout, very original and extremely clever. It may be the translation loses punch or that I am just a neanderthal But getting through these three books tested me and unlike so many other SciFi books I read, I wont re-read them. I get more from hearing Quinn talk about them!
I listened to them as unabridged audiobooks. That was, and is the secret sauce for so many great books for me
I found TBP itself to be pretty good. But The Dark Forest lost me hard.
Got a few hundred pages into it and all but dropped it.
@Sabizos Not really sure.
I suppose the mystery of the 3BP kept me going while I didn't really like any character in the second.
So, reading through the bits where the writer character is... Well doing anything is a slog.
And, while I usually have the opinion of spoilers as "I'm still interested in how it unfolds" the events just didn't draw me in.
Just finished Dark Forest. Starting Death's End. As much as I hate what Ye Wenjie did, I can almost understand her position at the time she sent the response. The author did an excellent portrayal of her situation.
The idea of Luo Ji's "magic spell" is horrific but disturbingly reasonable.
Like Eve in the Garden. So is the cycle repeated.
Btw in the book the author say Ye Wenjie was reading "Silent Spring" that book is brilliant (it a nonfiction book) and after reading that I can understand Ye's motive even more.
Love your content! especially the ones about the three-body problem. Thank you!
Ive been waiting on more Three Body Problem Content. Your Channel is so good!
I'm reading the Children of Ruin right now, but I really want to switch over to The 3 Body Problem. Tchaikovsky's work is interesting as hell, but it leaves one extremely hungry for true alien protagonists/antagonists
Edit: Nice jacket Quinn 👌🏿👍🏿
Whic one is children of ruin is it the one with the spiders, in the first book?
@@HomoSapienMan yea
Oh kool, I enjoyed that, o read it after three body problem when I was looking for the next thing to Fill my time… so u haven’t read it yet and your here? Watching these videos about it? Go pick it up or download it or the audiobook. You won’t be able to fully appreciate these videos without…
@@HomoSapienMan I already know that I want to read it. Lol I wouldn't have known even that had I not tuned in. Lol all apart of the process
Love your videos, I hope you check out the expanse novels one day. It's my favorite series and I'd love to hear you dive into it like this.
Is the expanse really worth the read? I've heard the TV series was really good too
@@Nick-dx2pt the expanse is most definitely worth reading , specially if you want to see the end of the series . I would recommend you starting to read from the first book as if you jump to the 7th book you will be confused as the series somewhat deviated from the books
That artwork is absolutely incredible!
It's always a good day when Quinn uploads another scifi vid. Cheers man
Thank you for another informative and well presented video.
If you need another science fiction series to read and analyze try Saga of the SevenSuns by Kevin J Andersen. Space opera at its grandest!
I found it hard to maintain suspension of disbelief for this series. A super advanced alien race that can manipulate higher dimensions and has the capability to travel between stars being stuck on their home planet is pretty ridiculous, so is their being so close to us and not having noticed anything going on on the Earth prior to contact.
That does sound hard to believe. I'm guessing that the equivalent aliens in the Animorphs series, who sort of pose as space angels (oversimplification, but you get the general idea) would be more believable (not the Yeerks, Yeerks would be stopped by the membranes protecting the brain in real life, the ones elementary schoolers have yet to learn about - but the dimension manipulators are another story, and in some sense believable).
@Sabizos More like, believable-ish. Or as believable as any such aliens can be (which is not much, but it is more likely a dimension manipulator would manipulate planets across galaxies than that they would be stuck on their home planet).
You have definitely piqued my interest. Thanks Quinn!! Keep them coming.
I seriously love this channel.