In my opinion i think there will be things in 3 special 44 minutes chapters of season 3 that will come next year. I hope i am not wrong because i encourage other fans that there will be good things in that season.
@@rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709 I fully trust that TOH crew will make good content in the amount of show left. It just sucks that it’s less of a show than both the crew and fans wanted
@@kurikara4738 there’s nothing she can do, just accept it please. I highly doubt the Invader Zim fandom in 2006 was as non-accepting as you zoomer people…
I still believe their is still hope, if we work hard enough, we can an extention the show deserves. Shows like Kim possible got an extended season after their supposed series finale movie. Never give up owl fans, we’re stronger together #continueowlhouse
@@colebryant9841 Dana said last July there won’t be anymore of the show after the finale airs. She also said it’s already in the boarding process Granted she did say that other forms such as comics and spin-offs are still possible
This is why the monopolization of media under a small group of corporations is such a dangerous thing. Companies become so obsessed with maintaining an image that they strangle the creative medium to preserve what is essentially the mental equivalent of racial purity. Added: As much as this situation sucks, I do have to tip my hat to Rebecca for having the decency to remain objective and optimistic when a sizable chunk of the fandom is giving in to anger and despair. The fact that she's willing to even remotely sympathize with the opposing view says a lot about her as a person.
While the brand thing is not inherently wrong, I agree that Disney has gone too far when it bought many companies under its control. I like Disney being Disney, but the moment it bought Marvel, LucasFilm, and finally 20th Century Fox...yeah, I don't want Disney to push it.
@@magala9287 To be fair, 20th century fox was dying when Disney bought it xD And hey, all of that is just busniss. Disney is still far from having a monopoly on anything. To me, they are just branching out. Something every big company does over time. It's why things like "Tchibo" (a company that originaly only produced coffee) are now also producing furniture and clothes, for example. (Is Tchibo even a thing in other countrys? xD It's one of the bigest coffee brands here in germany)
That's a good question apparently it doesn't matter if a show becomes a massive hit if the executives at Disney don't like it regardless of the success it gets cancel this ain't the first time good shows being Axed Infinity train and final space are the best examples
@@tazm2480 Honestly though. They like getting money from the shows airing for a bit but then have them come to an end before they have to spend too much money. They can get money and keep more money
@@maem7462 man all they want is money, maybe my lesson here should be don't get to attached to certain shows from disney because they'll take it right from us
Because before, the series was supposed to wait for the entire season to be aired on Disney Channel only for a while later to appear on D+. It's only recently that this practice has changed, now 5 episodes appear on D+ at a time, after being shown on TV, as in the case of TOH and Amphibia. Or in Molly McGee's case, when it's a new series, they launch after the premiere of the first episode.
@@IndignadaIngrid Disney is still contractually obligated to air the show on television. That's just how it works. There has only been one currently running show that moved to Disney Plus from Disney Channel, and that's Mickey Mouse 2013 (the shorts show developed by Paul Rudish) when it was renamed The Wonderful World Of Mickey Mouse.
@@juanrisa945That's not going to work every time. Besides, Scarlett Johansson is a big name actor. Dana Terrace is respected in the animation community, but for higher ups, she's just another employee with much less power than them.
This puts Dana's comments about watching The Owl House on Disney + being the best way to support the show into a clearer context. If the show fits the "brand" of Disney + much better than Disney Channel, then showing it is popular on the platform would be the easiest way to try to convince D+ that it would be in its financial interest to order more of it.
Respectfully I disagree: Gravity Falls and Amphibia are in the same vein as Owl House and they're also Disney's Brand. Hell I grew up on Disney movies where the villains were so, sooooo evil. OG Malificent Evil, not this descendants regrade they've done now. It's so clearly homophobia. Raya and the Last Dragon is proof positive of that. They're still queer baiting in 2021 when everyone else is out loud and proud. That's unconscionable.
It also would be nice if other countries D+ would get TOH, especially knowing that it wouldn't be banned in my country for LGBTQ+ rep, it doesnt make sense why they don't open it up for more countries. I know for a fact it's aired on Disney channel here and finished "priemering" both seasons, yet it's still not on D+ here. If you dont allow it to get more views it wont get more populair.
I dont know. Its clear some people higher up just dosnt care about the show and seesit as a waste to throw. Unles its gets trending TOP for months i dont see chance for the monopoly disney to change desicions.
@@89technical Did you paid attention? It was the fully serialized format not the tone. And if Terrace dosen't want to THINK such things of Disney, eithee it really has nothing to do with the LGBTQ+ rep or they hid their issues that well.
Disney completely screwed over The Owl House. If they're so concerned about the "brand", why didn't they make it a Disney+/Star exclusive series? Or better yet, why not let Dana go to another studio that will treat it with respect? Yet Disney proudly advertises stuff like Family Guy or The Simpsons on their Disney+ Twitter accounts. Go figure.
@@endamcnabola that sucks because I remember the creator of Invader Zim pitch a show to Disney I forgot what it was called but there is some footage of it on UA-cam Disney rejected it but owns it and Disney will let the Creator have his show back if he pays them large amount of money which is totally ridiculous concerned they didn't want the show in the first place
If it had started development a year or two later when DisneyPlus was actually a viable option, it *would* have been a DisneyPlus Original and not on Channel at all. It was all a victim of bad timing and being developed for (what later turned out to be) the “wrong” platform.
Firstly, the show was greenlit before disney+ was even in development. Secondly, Disney+ star is only available i n countries outside america so they would have to make it a hulu original. Thirdly, promoting family guy is only done in countries that have star and anyone with two eyeballs can see that. And finally, the "brand" is referring to the disney channel brand not the disney brand itself. If you still wanna interpret things without doing research, then be my guest. It's not me putting false truths into my head.
The fact that Dana and the whole crew were under such difficult circumstances but still had the show be absolutely amazing is so impressive. I hate that they didn’t reconsider to move TOH to Disney+ after the lockdown and everything. They didn’t give TOH the chance that it deserves
This is completely unfair for Dana and the crew behind the show. “Doesn’t fit the Disney brand?” That’s the most pathetic excuse I’ve ever heard. Of course, it doesn’t help that the pandemic hit shortly after the show started, but still, this is ridiculous. This is why I despise executive meddling with a burning passion, and why this is a huge slap to the face towards the crew and us Owl House fans. Such a dishonor on Disney’s part!
The Owl House is a victim of bad timing and a victim of network change. Especially since they didn’t even give a chance to begin with by not including Dana in talks and canceling well before it got on Disney+. Also if they care about the serialized content advertise it more on the service since that is the whole point of it for people to catch up and follow the order, I mean that’s what me niece, nephews, cousins, etc. do for such shows and they understand things flawlessly. Honestly if they do make more stuff, I hope it’s Disney+ exclusive so Dana and the crew have a better chance to be appreciated for their work.
@@noahbossier1131 I hope that's true, and seeing where things are going with the show right now in terms of viewership, fanbase, sales in merchandise etc. I think there's a pretty good chance that we will get spin-offs, comics, and more.
Amounts to bad timing. The series happened to start airing shortly after Disney+ drop and shortly before the pandemic began. After months of the parks being closed, Disney had to make up their revenue. Since The Owl House was the odd one out, wasn't super popular (Grom had yet to air), and not too far into production on Seasons 2 and 3 it drew the short straw. Matt's alluded that Amphibia took a budget hit as well although not as extensive as Season 3 had been in the works for a while. The Owl House was fated to end at Season 3 given the Disney Channel pattern. Covid just expedited the process.
True Disney probably would have ended the show after the 3rd season. Once they get past 3 seasons Disney has to pay more. That’s why Suite Life Of Zack and Cody got changed to Suite Life On Deck. It would have been great if they let The Owl House have a full season 3 because that possibly could be the amount of the story the creators needed to finish the show. At the very least they should have waited until Season 2A was released before making the decision
@@maem7462 Unfortunately as I wish as a fan of the show yet considered possible factors of the animation process and Disney Channel current and past finical situations I don't think this one "higher up" at the Disney Channel had the luxury of time to make that choice. The process of making an animated show, how DuckTales 2017 (a scripted Disney XD series but important for research) financially preformed, and greatly the fall of cable channels which this higher up working & responsibilities for the Disney Channel primarily must make choices and time to do so. Note this is "Disney Channel" vs "Disney" overall as this Higher up works for Disney Channel vs Disney+ which has it's own branding differences, situations, scripted series advantages, budget, and preexisting contracts that can process in the thinking and choices. I love animation and I was happy to have a meeting with Disney TVA people where they explained some interesting matters and how a animated show is made plus it's timely process. It takes a full year - year and a half to make 1 episode. The process takes time and requires alot of people working as a team and functional. Grom didn't show yet to us the viewers + we know the show when "green lit" in the past different factors might of been at play. The show was green lit for 2 seasons (DuckTales, Amphibia, and Owl House all had 2 seasons green lit package maybe advertising a show of faith to viewers of how at the time the higher ups felt they could of been successful but things changed) and the 2nd was being made and possibly was wrapping up before Grom. A higher up MUST make a choice for a season 3 of a animated show before the process begins and that process usally starts possibly even during season 1 finale or season 2 very begining otherwise so much time between seasons where a fanbase might drift off can happen. Plus importantly you have to take into account the team itself making the show. They need jobs thus they NEED to know if they have a job working on season 3 now or applying to other studios or projects. To hold that information off is putting animators from knowing if they still have a paycheck or looking for other work. You are asking for their time and they have bills to pay. So a big question was when was truly the latest deadline for this important choice, what non subjective and subjective matters was considered (art, story, and branding is subjective as 2 higher ups can look at things and have different views but non-subjective matters such as financial outcomes and maximum budget and pre-existing contacts are not). How far back can the process for production starting with writing for season 3 can be pushed back before you hurt animation teams needing a job for pay? Disney Channel for scripted series currently isn't a prime or best for any scripted series and DuckTales impacted the Disney Channel desision makers on this matters. Disney+ is however where scripted series can shine and doesn't have the same limits and costs for cable channels but Disney+ wasn't a big factor back then and Disney+ probably spent their starting budget on series green lit and marketing for a bit of a gamble and new territory. I'm now hoping for the Owl House franchise with strong proven numbers on Disney+ Dana and others might be able to have Spin-offs or other series ideas they might have be green lit as Disney+ series if scripted and older audiences while Disney Channel currently focuses on Storyboarded series like Big City Greens that has been a success for them thus far & younger demographics.
@@treyowen9213 We are although it's been reduced to 3 40 minute specials as opposed to the standard 20-22. Don't know what Dana's original plan for Season 3 was but guessing it had to be altered significantly.
I'm surprised Big Hero 6: The Series is not brought up at all when discussing what happened to The Owl House. That show was also serialized and had some dark moments at times, and was also cut short by the third season. However, Disney went further and "asked" the producers to cancel any story arcs they planned on telling and make stories wackier and more light-hearted, something that fits Disney's brand rather than the show itself. Hopefully The Owl House will end with its tone and stories intact.
Really? I didn’t know that. The fact the Amphibia still gets a full 3rd season made me very concern of that show because of how much filler there is in that season. Now that the 3rd season is half-done. It’s safe to say that the ending will be rushed.
It's crazy how most shows and other networks just cut shows like this in 1 season. Owl House is like seeing one of those shows actually get more content and makes me wonder what else we could've missed. Disney could have easily cut it to season 1
Seriously. So many shows I love (Green Lantern, Beware the Batman, Onyx Equinox, Sym-Bionic Titan, etc.) got cut short after one season. This situation isn't great, but it could've been way worse.
Remember the Gargoyles series, it is still considered part of the Disney Brand and it has a similar (even darker at times and very serialized) tone than the Owl House. Also it doesn't even have a kid/teen characters in it.
Yes I absolutely love gargoyles because at the time there was no other Disney cartoon like it Keith David as Goliath was amazing fans hated season 3 which was called the Goliath Chronicles. I really do wish it will get a reboot
Gargoyles came out in the late 90's though, that was a very different era of Disney tv where Disney Channel and Toon Disney had dang near everything on it. I can almost guarantee you that Gargoyles wouldn't stand a chance today, at least not at modern Disney.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Because its not popular. Througth Jordan Peele wabts to revive the property with a movie. And he's enough to hook up those unifamiliar with Gargoyles. I myself also have an idea to bring Gargoykes back to popularity: Have Eliza appear as a main character in an Epic Mickey movie. That's the one project where the "its not popular" argument can fall flat.
@@juanrisa945 Gargoyles was literally one of the top most watched shows on Disney Plus the moment it went live. It is plenty popular. Disney is just too stubborn to see that.
Funny how this show is what brought me back to Disney shows as I thought that Disney was done with good stories and characters for just toddler shows. Sadly I was right.
@@chickpea I recently watch TTS on Disney Plus. Both that show and The Owl House really reminded me of the old Disney shows that had interesting plots and good character development and also fun characters
@@maem7462 Yes! And funny enough TTS also had the same fate of "doesn't fit the Disney channel" some storyboard artists and even the creator wanted to make a spin-off about Varian called "Varian and the seven kingdoms" and Disney declined because Varian wasn't "popular enough" even though he's everyone's favorite... odd right? It seems to be a pattern.
Time for rebecca to give us a reality check 😭 (seriously tho, i loved the input u gave in ur twitter thread, making sense out of it really helped me calm down about the cancellation a bit)
She didn't say that it was the LGBT rep, but she didn't say it wasn't either. In all likelihood, she doesn't know one way or the other. Either way, she's still bound by contractual obligations not to shit-talk Disney. Even if she was straight-up told "it's because of the gay stuff" she couldn't say that anyway. It would embarrass the company and land her in some possible legal trouble. It would CERTIANTLY make landing future employment much harder. If it ever got out that Disney killed a show because one of a main cast same-sex romance it would by a PR nightmare. That said, I don't entirely think it was the gay stuff, but I do think it played a massive role. There is a lot of demonic imagery, witchcraft, etc. Stuff the religious right doesn't sit well with religious right wingers. All the demonic stuff PLUS the gay stuff, I'm not surprised this happened.
@@RYMAN1321 Catholic here-bingo. Had a gay friend in middle school, he was awesome. While there are jerks among us, people also sometimes grossly misquote us.
I feel like sooooo many people complaining about TOH beeing cut short have no idea of the animation industry and how much more complicated things are behind the scenes (and that "big cooperation don't like gay" isn't the only reason things can go wrong -.- ) Thank you for making this video full of information, explenation, and behind the sceenes views of the howl situation! It bugs me a lot that so many people aren't believing Dana and just say "yeah, well, OBVIOUSLY she wouldn't tell us if Disney cut the show becouse of LGBT! She can't publicly talk bad about her boss after all!" when that is literally such a stupid reason since we have Alex Hirsch RIGHT THERE working together with Dana! You know? The same Alex Hirsch who openly taked about how shitty his experience with Disney handeling LGBT in the past where? Alex Hirsch who is STILL WORKING FOR DISNEY even though he spoke "bad" about them openly?! I fully believe, if the the LGBT was the reason for TOH beeing cut short, Dana would be the first one to confirm something like that!
It’s true that if dana knew it was bc of the LGBTQ+ she likely would have said it. Like I said Alex Hirsch still holds Disney accountable to this day while still working with them. I do get that lost of the reason for TOH not fitting the brand was due to it having an older audience and a serialized story. With what I’m abt to say idk for sure if this is the case but I wouldn’t be fully surprised if the executive also thought it didn’t fit the brand bc of the LGBTQ+ representation but didn’t ever say that out loud or to Dana. Like I said idk for sure if it could have been another reason why one person wanted to show that be done so quickly
@@maem7462 my thinking is: why would they green light it to begin with if they had such a big thing against the lgbtq in it? It's not like Dana had the chance to go behind there backs, and while she said that she had a strugle to convince them to let write a bi character, she also said that she got nothing but suport after wards. Since Disney oversees all the scripts, I think they would have cut down a LOT of things if the majority of them really had a problem with it. Doesn't rule out the posibility that there where a view rotten eggs in the basket, but I honestly believe that the majority of those in charge didn't have that much of a problem with it.
@@aniflowers1998 let's not act like big corporations have nothing against LGBTQ characters, the only reason most of them let it happen is bc they can use that LGBTQ rep to get more audience, they don't care Abt representation, and it's pretty obv that the gay characters are a part of the reason they cut it short like let's use our brain chile
If there is a silver lining here, it's the fact that the crew were given notice in time to write 2B to account for the shorter season 3. Yeah, the ending won't be as good as it could've been, but I still think we're gonna get something that satisfies us.
^^^^ This is why I get a little frustrated when people say that the owl house was “cancelled” Because it wasn’t Yes it wasn’t what Dana wanted but in the end she’s still going to be allowed to write an ending to the story she is telling, there’s a lot of other cartoons out there that never got that opportunity because they got prematurely cancelled by their studios and their stories never got fully told The original Teen Titans Transformers Animated Acceleracers Sonic SATAM And many others All those shows never got to tell the endings of their stories and many threads were left unresolved The owl house despite getting shortened is still getting the chance to fully tell its story from beginning to end.
@José Lucas Gonna take a page out of Luz's book here, have faith in the writing team. The situation sucks thermonuclear ass, but I'm sure they can make the most of it. Especially given the fact the season 3 specials are already in production.
@José Lucas dwelling on how much it sucks isn't gonna make it any better. Considering the treatment similar cartoons get when they aren't up to the studio's brand, owl house got off lucky. You also have to take into account Dana had to fight tooth and nail to get even the season 3 specials. Right now the best we can do is hope for more spin off content, which given the absolute *stupid* amount of times the owl house gets trending, is a very, very real possibility. Disney aren't total idiots. And even if that doesn't happen, at the very *very* least we'll get an ending, more than most shows like this end up getting, just like robosonic said. And given the fact they're writing season 2B to account for it, and season 3 is already in production, odds are they've already figured it out.
Actually production on S2B episodes were likely being made in the beginning of 2020 since the show was already picked up for a second season prior to the first episode of the show, A Lying Witch and A Warden, premiered in January 2020. I know in a Reddit AMA, Dana said that the entire first season was written before the first episode premiered. So I am assuming the same is true for season two with all of it being written before the first episode of season two airing. Meaning, that Disney likely didn’t tell Dana about their decision until ALL of season two was already written. So unfortunately, there will likely be some condensed plot threads for season three.
Personally, as much as this stings, I'll be surprised if we didn't get future Owl House content - even in a comic series or something - down the line. The fact they made the Hot Topic deal, along with the upcoming light novel and Disney+ being allowed to host season 2 much earlier than before, suggests to me that they've been warming up to TOH as a brand - likely because of how much it's blown up in the past year. I also can't help but predict the specials are going to become Disney+ premieres for the reasons described.
Idk for sure if the specials would be Disney plus premium. I wouldn’t be completely surprised but I would hope not bc idk if my parents would want to spend money for the premium. A bunch of ppl who don’t want to wait any longer would have to wait longer than they want. Most the time the premium access seems to be used for movies especially the ones that are airing in theaters
As a queer woman, this breaks my heart. However, its existence at all is something that truly inspires me and I hope the creators can get other shows off the ground with this amazing energy on an independent platform.
I think that if the Owl house litterlty would have been greenlit a year later it would have a chance with a Disney plus development. Shame the primary plan of just making episodic content screwed it over.
“Doesn't fit the Disney brand?!” Man, that is totally an unfair reason to cancel such an awesome show just because it doesn't fit with the younger audiences?! Those stupid-ass executives have to understand that their own audiences are getting older, thus deserving more mature shows!
You forget that they have the numbers right in front of them. Disney Chanell has an increasingly younger audience than it had in the past. Every buisniss has to concentrait on there target audiences. Even if the previous audiences are getting older, it doesn't change the statistic that increasingly younger kids are watching Disney Chanel. Which is why Disney made Disney+. For the older audiences. Owl House had just REALLY bad timing, since Disney+ wasn't a thing yet/still in it's baby shoes when the show started.
@@aniflowers1998 Well said. This is very similar to Cartoon Network's “OK, KO” and “Infinity Train”. My guess is that if HBO Max were to been created earlier, both shows would've have multiple seasons by now. My hope for any upcoming show to the streaming platforms is that they'll achieve the popularity they deserve.
Exactly and I think a big reason as to why the show had an older audience was bc it had ppl who worked on Gravity Falls working on it. All of us who watched GF were exited for another show that would feel kinda similar. I think it would have been a more responsible thing to have a meeting abt it and maybe change the show to air on Disney XD and then once Disney+ was a thing they would talk abt airing it there instead of cutting the show
Being an adult fan of animation wasn't always difficult, in the beginning of animation it was meant for adults specifically in picture shows. Adults were the ones with money and so the content reflected adult entertainment which is why they are timeless. Animation oriented for children is new age and there are alot more restrictions cuz of it. In regard to Dana Terrace, I would hope this folly will encourage her to visit adult streaming/channel options considering how she originally wanted the tone of the Owl House to be darker. Look at shows like Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors and even Young Justice...predominantly an adult audience and still popular!
While I prefer having season 3 as 20 episodes rather than 3 specials, I wouldn’t mind as long as the give the series enough time to tie up loose ends and give it a proper conclusion.
Decitions aren't only made by 1 person. There is an entire chain of people who have to aprove. And those who originaly thought a show was a good idea, can always change there mind and say "hm, maybe we did something wrong here" (In this situation: putting a show like Owl House on Disney Chanell, where it didn't fitt), leading to them droping a show. It's a much more complicated process, with many factors that play a role.
It all sucks cuz when it comes down to it owl house falls into the circumstances of bad timing. If the show was pitched later, like when Disney+ was coming into play, Dana and maybe even Matt probably would’ve jumped at that opportunity. Owl house would’ve made a perfect premiere series for the service. But sadly it it had to be axed before it got the chance to prove itself on Disney+.
Even if The Owl House was developed for Disney Channel, there would've been a chance that the show would move to Disney+ for Season 4 as an "Original Series". Because like you said, Disney+ is for "Family Co-Viewing" Am I right?
Okay, Execs straight up excluding Dana from conversations about ending the show is the biggest dick move I’ve heard of. The less of these kinds of people freely deciding how other creators stories end, the better off the Animation Industry will be. It’s so frustrating hating Disney when a lot of their content in the past decade has been nothing but sincerely fantastamazing. Choking showrunners’ visions will never make anyone happy.
I genuinely don't understand how Disney, a company that has made children's based content for decades, can't comprehend the idea that young children can still enjoy serialized shows. Hell, when I was little I used to constantly watch reruns of ATLA. And those sure as hell weren't even close in order, like one episode would be Aang starting his waterbending training, and then next would be Katara bloodbending. Because I was a kid I didn't give a fuck. I didn't care about the sudden development, I cared that the show itself was enjoyable. I don't understand how Disney can't grasp the concept that kids, especially little kids don't really care about continuity.
I actually started watching The Owl House a few months ago on Disney+ and I really enjoyed it. When I found out about this I was like wow. Then I think back to other shows they could be “not Disney related” and I could only think about Gargoyles cus if someone didn’t knew about that show and just saw it then they wouldn’t think it was from Disney. Then again that is an old show back in the 90s and I don’t think they really had a “only Disney taste” vision back then and just experimented a little. If anything I thought it was mainly because of the production and with the whole COVID situation. So then why not continue it through Disney+. Idk. I just hate watching a show I like and then being canceled or half done when it clearly wasn’t finished.
Disney execs are dumb, but got lucky by allowing great creative minds like Dana, Alex, Matt and pre-ship nonsense Daron to grow and develop. Those 4 moving on and maybe going on to create and develop more mature and deep content is our gain and Disney's loss.
So sad there won't be a full season 3 - I love this show. At least there are people like you making videos about Owl House that we all can enjoy. I also just listened to a podcast that had an episode about Luz which was pretty cool. It was called Determination, Deliberation, and Dragons.
Such a fantastic and eye opening video for me personally. I love this show, and I mean love this show, and it stung so much when s3 got cut short. But this video truly helped to understand the situation, and has given me a much greater respect for Dana and the rest of the TOH team for the hard work they do, and for handling and talking about the hard news with so much respect, care, and optimism! I have extremely HIGH respect for that because being kind, real while being respectful, and just honest so no one else has unessacary blame put onto others…is not an easy thing to do! Also, we still have so many great episodes to return to, and I’m sure excellent episodes on the way to look forward to. This show has been great and I’m sure Dana and the team are doing everything they can to make the show as best they can, even with these hard circumstances. So thank you Rebecca, and as always FANTASTIC video! Love your work!
I will say that it is in the best interest of both Dana and the executives at Disney to not explicitly say whether LGBTQ themes played a role in it being cut short - even if Dana would have stated this had this been the case (consequences aside) that might be why no one explicitly told her whether it was a factor or pointed to other things when that idea was brought up. I'm sure the darkness and serialized nature was a big factor, but you can't (and shouldn't) rule out the generally (and unfounded) attitude that lgbtq themes in child programming is "too adult" as a possible contributing factor - that could easily have been the "straw that broke the camel's back" for why it was seen as "less suited" to the young audience of the Disney channel, though obviously there are other more credible factors. The serialized nature is a big deal, too, that why I didn't watch Avatar when it first came out, I kept getting into the story at crucial plot points and feeling lost
Finally! I was hoping to get more insight into this. Not to mention a lot of misinformation is being spread all over the internet lmao. Really sad about what happened to the show tho :((
I just started binging Amphibia and just finished seaosn 2, so if I had waited a little longer that would have been a huge spoiler for me. I'm glad I binged it now.
Disney: **drops owl house partially for budget reasons** Also Disney: **is making like 4 live action Star Wars shows with highly expensive cgi, and like 2 or more marvel movies (or equivalent) a year** and yeah, live action and cartoons are two different departments or whatever, but cartoons and *theme parks* are more different in my opinion.
Marvel, Star Wars, and Live-Action Remakes are safe bets and cash cows. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it, and they'll milk all three for as long as they can.
The Owl House is a great show and it deserves more love and a full season 3. I don't know what one of those executives are talking about but The Owl House to me is classic Disney. The show has themes of friendship, acceptance, understanding, comformity and of course good vs evil. The story and characters reminded me of classic Disney animated movies and tv shows that came before. The Owl House does fit the Disney brand.
I know this is a serious topic and it really sucks that toh won't be able to be told to the fullest, but your reaction to how someone might respond if they got behind is hilarious "Who the hell is this punk ass emo kid??" 😂💀
Not happening Dana said last July that the shows’ ending is already being boarded and will not go on after the finale airs Granted she did say comics and spin-offs are still in the cards
Came here again after hearing the news that season 2b will premiere on March 19th. Very insightful, helpful and somewhat reassuring video essay breaking down the situation Rebecca.
As much as I may love much of the content that has come from under the Disney brand, the company itself has made a lot of iffy decisions over the years. Enough to honestly make me feel that most, if not all of these creators, like Dana, might be better served by breaking away from them 😟
I really wish Disney would acknowledge its older audience and invest in straight up mature content the same way adult-swim and Netflix do... maybe even as a section on D+, creators at Disney clearly have interesting and mature ideas along with amazing animation skills, I would die to see a properly un-censored, free to explore mature content with a Disney's budget behind... instead, just like with their latest movies, they seems to be fossilized on just one formula...
TOH hasn't even ended yet and I can't wait to see what Dana and her crew will create in the future. Yes, it sucks that it was cut and it sucks that S3 isn't a full 20 episodes season BUT I trust the team will make a ending that does justice to the show with the 40min specials. It f****** sucks but at least we will have a conclusion I think it's better to think that Dana's team will be noticed by Disney+ and will be given the opportunity to create a new show (maybe even better than TOH!) that will make us fall in love with it as much as TOH and will be treated with the respect TOH deserved. TOH is cut, and it sucks, but at least it can serve as the boost Dana and her crew need to be noticed as a talented team and be given the opportunity to make more amazing projects. So keep supporting TOH guys!!! :D
I hope with all my heart this beautiful miracle of a show gets the much deserved full season 3/additional stuff. Maybe (depending on the lore in s3) a fourth season sometime in the future?
Knew the pandemic had a big part in shortening the show. Didn’t consider streaming would have an effect tho. This is all bad timing and a frustrating situation. At this point I’m just glad Dana and the crew were able to make the show. Thank you for the info and for making the situation more easy to understand!
Wow, you did a better job explaining this then that other video, you actually gave me hope while the other person made it seem hopeless because he thought Disney was a greedy pig...
Honestly. I don't think anything that comes after "The Owl House" and "Amphibia" will really do it for me. For some reason these characters really stick with me and ever since getting hooked these past two weeks, it's been heartbreaking to find out it will all be over sooner than I thought, and with one of them being rushed as well. It's been a while since I've felt passionate about such beautiful worlds and for it to be swept away has just left me in shock and sorrow. It definitely doesn't help that I'm just mentally, drained.
Disney: we're worried this might be to dark for 5 year-olds Also Disney: LOL let's kill our main character's parents and teach kids mommy and daddy will die
Dana deserves a third season on Disney+, maybe even more than that. Give us a sequel series as many anime do. Disney has some atonement to do for withholding Dana’s ability to be involved with making decisions about the show. The Owl House is a gem and I don’t want it to be thrown away because of tragedies in our world and corporate carelessness. #SaveTheOwlHouse
Even though it's probably unlikely, I really want another studio to pick up TOH and let production continue. It makes me sick to think about Disney continuing to profit off it being on Disney+
Disney’s making a mistake axing their most respectable currently airing show. Amphibia is fine and I love Big City Greens, but the owl house is special in such a way that really I can only compare to GF, P&F and KP. Since those were also highlights on DC throughout their run
It's a good show. Sad that it's ending. Makes me wonder what Disney's main priority is nowadays. Disney handled this poorly. Hopefully the final goes out swinging. Owl House, you will be remembered. Thanks to anyone who read this.
I get that the parks took a big hit during Covid and everyone had to tighten the budget, but that's still not a good reason to axe your arguably most popular show over all of them. Amphibia is on its way out, so it's safe. DuckTales is coming to an end and the Ghost and Molly McGhee just started to of course they were all safe, but it didn't even need to be an animated property that got hit. One of their live action shows could've been cut. There are plenty that could've ended already. If it's more suited for ongoing and action stories, they could've slid it to Disney XD like GF or made it a Disney Plus Original. Cancelling it out right, no matter how you look at it feels targeted. None of their shows has as much heat on it as the Owl House. It's banned in multiple countries and censored in others. Yeah it's not as episodic, but they say that like they can't rerun first season episodes on the network if they want. They already figure kids wouldn't notice anyway, so why not? And why wouldn't kids like a cartoon with a story they can get into and become a fan of? We live in the day and age where kids know who not only Iron Man, Captain America and Thor are but Thanos, Loki, and the Infinity Stones. The MCU has very much proven people in general are willing to follow serialized, including kids. And those are movies. Cartoons made for children is just its own league. Yeah they fought an uphill battle and they practically won until some loser decided to change the rules. Honestly to me, the Disney brand just sounds like it's supposed equivalent of chicken nuggets. Something any and everyone of any age can and should be able to enjoy, but always being served specifically to children because they think that's all kids like. I get that they're a company trying to make money but didn't Walt Disney himself say “You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway.” I'm just saying, there were many other routes that could've been taken here and the fact that they basically used this as an opportunity to just get The Owl House off the network without an actual clear answer beyond "the brand" reeks of prejudice. Hopefully Netflix picks them up after, but for now. I'm streaming every episode
Copy pasta you've seen a million times about the Third season of The Owl House The Owl House has been renewed for a shortened 3rd season. We want at least another full season length, or any form of compensation!! Dana posted on Twitter that we will be getting a short season containing just 3 special length episodes; the equivalent of 6 normal episodes. It is confirmed that this will be the last season. This was NOT Dana's choice; she had been hoping for a normal 10-20 episode pickup, and not expecting a cancellation. The possibility of a potential season 4 pick-up whenever buget won't be restrained due to COVID-19 was never considered at all by the Disney higher-ups. Dana tweeted that if we want to see the show continue, TOH merch, or anything else TOH related, snail mail is the way to go. Disney still reads and responds to snail mail. This is an effective way of contacting them. They don't appear to read DMs and emails, presumably due to 1) the sheer number they receive, and 2) the fact that people mailing letters are statistically over 18 and therefore able to earn and spend money (like on, say, cable subscriptions or merch). Watching the show on Disney+ or signing this petition might be effective as well. Petition: www.change.org/p/walt-disney-don-t-stop-making-owl-house?recruiter=1163645852&recruited_by_id=380ee030-23d4-11eb-8914-93235ec97d71 This is the address to Disney to send mails Disney TVA 811 Sonora Ave Glendale, CA 91201 (Copy this text and spread the word) Yes, I'm still pretending this could work, it's all I have left...
I admit it's hard of me to think of the Disney brand and not think the lgbtq+ rep had absolutely nothing to do with that. A few weeks prior to the show runner for New Warriors, a show that only had the pilot shot, had a similar story of 1 Disney exec shutting it down and that show runner did say it was due to it being too gay. Of course I also think Dana is being truthful here so yea I got to take her word for it even if a part of me wants to argue against that so hard. It's also just so weird to me that 1 person bad the power to destroy these shows. That feels like a power structure that is only going let the most boring things that please everyone through. (And I really hope I don;t come off as someone refusing the video or Dana's post, just tried to explain that it's a knee jerk reaction to Disney based on a long and recent history from the company).
If we can't get another season or more episodes perhaps we could get graphic novels/comics. They could even make them crossovers with Gravity Falls and or Amphibia. As for Season three, the specials will each probably focus on Luz, Eda, and King respectively
We might be sad that it will end soon. But at least we got one heck of a show. Everything has its end and unfortunately it looks like TOH has reached it for now
@@noahbossier1131 Well im mainly focusing to the main show. I dont mind spin offs or sequels but it just wont feel like were watching a new season ( which is what most of us want). We still should be grateful tho if they made spin offs or sequels. I do believe in the strength of the fanbase but from the looks of it right now. Disney is still keeping its choice of not continuing TOH
when i saw the first episode on Disney channel I thought, Hey this is the start of an amazing story. but to hear the show is being shortened to the season 3 specials, it just broke my heart. but I'm sure season 3 will live up to the expectations because we have the rest of season 2's episodes to look forward to. like we got Lumity, Soon to find out king's origins, Eda has excepted the owl beast as part of her, so i can say season 3 will be great but it will be shortened because of the crappy Disney exectes, i hope dana gets the respect she deserves in the future.
Recently, the entirety of Fancy Nancy season 3 (which is 13 episodes, unlike seasons 1-2 having 25 episodes) was released onto Disney Plus and Disney Now on November 12. This was the same day that the season premiered on television on the Disney Junior channel. I wouldn't be surprised if someone higher up would do the same for Owl House season 3 and just release all 3 specials on the same day and get it over with.
The exec who made the decision to cancel The Owl House needs to be named, because he deserves to spend the rest of his career being known as "the idiot who cancelled The Owl House."
It's sad that Owl House and most of the other Disney shows (e.g. Amphibia, DuckTales) ended after 3 Seasons which is a result of corporate/network meandering, or by the creator's own decision on wanting to tell a completed story (e.g Amphibia, Tangled the Series, DuckTales 2017), mainly the former. And although some are satisfied with certain shows ending at Season 3 due to the creators wanting to tell the story they wanted to (I'm one of those people) others are disappointed that they want to see more of the show and It's worldbuilding be resolved leading to their suspicions and theories that Season 3 (albeit shortened) of _The Owl House_ being the final season was due to pressure by Disney and Disney Television Animation to end it early which several creators who worked at Disney TVA including Dana Terrace confirmed on Twitter, Reddit or certain podcasts and Owl House was one of those Disney shows that suffered Disney's treatment compared to the other series that ended their runs at Season 3 (e.g. Amphibia, DuckTales 2017).
i know its late, but why didnt that one person who canceled the show think for one second that, "Hey, maybe if the show was continued, we could have more episodic and rerunable episodes that we can make money off of?" or "if we put it on disney plus, we will get a huge amount of money and support so we can continue the show and have more audiences on our streaming platform"
I think there will be good things in season 3 that will come next year. I hope i am not wrong because i encourage other fans that there will be good things in season 3 that will come soon.
If Dana Terrace wanted to do another show that's like the creator of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss. I'm sure that people would be 100% willing to be her Patreon for the next show! And heck, I'm sure that there's independent people out there that can provide the resources to help~
And this is why for me as a young creator, if the option ever becomes available, I'll never be working for Disney. EVER. Even if it's a choice between working for the big mouse or living in a box I'd rather live in a box than work for a company who treats its creators and their work like absolute garbage.
@@Old_Wise_Wizard oh yeah, I know that one really well, pretty sure everyone in animation knows that by now given how downhill they've been going over the past few years due to the lack of any decent content and the poor treatment of what little content they had that was decent.
This was top quality type of show, on the same level as Amphibia, Gravity Falls, Adventure time, Regular show, Marvelous adventures of Flapjack or Chowder. Why we live in a world where cartoon or series which is really good, funny and aimed for slighty older audience then it will get their budget cut short and cancelled but series created with minimal effort in animation, stupid and boring like teen titans go, get 8 seasons and movie. Some part of Belos at the end of season 2 must have made its way to Disney headquartes and posses minds of executives because this whole situation is absurd. This show was rare flower in the sea of shit we currently have between cartoons. Please Disney allow creators of this show to make a spin-off, movie or another show for them.
The owl house is so fun though. Did Dana make the owl house into a comic book that we can read or a light novel? Cause I would love to know the true direction that the owl house would’ve gone without Disney butting their noses in
If we’re lucky, maybe someday we could either have an Owl House sequel series or spin-off on Disney+. Also maybe a comic series and video game series as well.
The thing about this show is that is so good that it’s literally better than most of the Disney movies that have been released recently and the Disney movies are literally like millions of dollar budgets and the one problem about them all is the story that are in the movies because they all seriously are very s**ty like a movie about a girl that turns into a Red Panda and made the movie about her going into women hood, a movie that is literally just a rip off of Indiana Jones but it’s animated, and finally a movie about Elements not mixing I mean seriously I don’t even think Disney is even trying anymore
I'm not happy with the decision to nix the series, but I think a lot of people are being hyperbolic. The Owl House was more a victim of bad timing than discrimination. This isn't me saying that Disney hasn't done questionable shit (they have), but I'm not sure homophobia was a much of a factor here. At the end of the day, it was Disney that approved of the script and the content within the show.
12:00 It sounds kind of like what happened with DuckTales (2017). The show originated on Disney XD in 2017, joined the Disney Channel in 2018 where it ran up until the Season 2 finale and I guess this show didn't fit the "Disney Brand" anymore. So, it was pushed back to only be on Disney XD for Season 3 where it unfortunately ended.
Dana deserves a Full Season 3, The Owl House is one of the most popular shows on Disney Channel...
Too bad the currently short Season 3 is already being storyboarded.
In my opinion i think there will be things in 3 special 44 minutes chapters of season 3 that will come next year. I hope i am not wrong because i encourage other fans that there will be good things in that season.
@@rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709 I fully trust that TOH crew will make good content in the amount of show left. It just sucks that it’s less of a show than both the crew and fans wanted
@@maem7462 i understand, Dana and her team dis their best to make us happy this series and also she deserves to rest.
It's phenomenal through my eyes
This hurts to see in my notifications. Dana definitely deserves to continue to show…
She needs to do something about it
Honestly it’s such a good show. I feel like it would be difficult to get all the answers to all the questions in the amount of the show we have left
@@kurikara4738 there’s nothing she can do, just accept it please. I highly doubt the Invader Zim fandom in 2006 was as non-accepting as you zoomer people…
I still believe their is still hope, if we work hard enough, we can an extention the show deserves. Shows like Kim possible got an extended season after their supposed series finale movie. Never give up owl fans, we’re stronger together #continueowlhouse
@@colebryant9841 Dana said last July there won’t be anymore of the show after the finale airs. She also said it’s already in the boarding process
Granted she did say that other forms such as comics and spin-offs are still possible
This is why the monopolization of media under a small group of corporations is such a dangerous thing. Companies become so obsessed with maintaining an image that they strangle the creative medium to preserve what is essentially the mental equivalent of racial purity.
Added: As much as this situation sucks, I do have to tip my hat to Rebecca for having the decency to remain objective and optimistic when a sizable chunk of the fandom is giving in to anger and despair. The fact that she's willing to even remotely sympathize with the opposing view says a lot about her as a person.
While the brand thing is not inherently wrong, I agree that Disney has gone too far when it bought many companies under its control.
I like Disney being Disney, but the moment it bought Marvel, LucasFilm, and finally 20th Century Fox...yeah, I don't want Disney to push it.
@@magala9287 To be fair, 20th century fox was dying when Disney bought it xD
And hey, all of that is just busniss. Disney is still far from having a monopoly on anything. To me, they are just branching out. Something every big company does over time. It's why things like "Tchibo" (a company that originaly only produced coffee) are now also producing furniture and clothes, for example. (Is Tchibo even a thing in other countrys? xD It's one of the bigest coffee brands here in germany)
(Dana, not Rebecca.)
@@scharb No, I was referring to Rebecca Rose in this instance. Props to Dana too, though.
that is because she is an actual adult compared to her fandom
My question,
If disney executives dont like serialized cartoons why do they keep green lighting them for multiple seasons before even episode 1 drops?
in the words of Mr.krabs "I like money" "why do you keep green lighting shows disney then taking them away?" "MONEY"
That's a good question apparently it doesn't matter if a show becomes a massive hit if the executives at Disney don't like it regardless of the success it gets cancel this ain't the first time good shows being Axed Infinity train and final space are the best examples
@@tazm2480 Honestly though. They like getting money from the shows airing for a bit but then have them come to an end before they have to spend too much money. They can get money and keep more money
What does "serialized" even mean?
@@maem7462 man all they want is money, maybe my lesson here should be don't get to attached to certain shows from disney because they'll take it right from us
Why couldn't they just air on D+ instead? Or move it to D+ like GF was moved to DXD?
Because before, the series was supposed to wait for the entire season to be aired on Disney Channel only for a while later to appear on D+. It's only recently that this practice has changed, now 5 episodes appear on D+ at a time, after being shown on TV, as in the case of TOH and Amphibia. Or in Molly McGee's case, when it's a new series, they launch after the premiere of the first episode.
@@caiocesarmarques4765 I meant literally release the series as a D+ series, not just air the TV episodes there
@@IndignadaIngrid Disney is still contractually obligated to air the show on television. That's just how it works. There has only been one currently running show that moved to Disney Plus from Disney Channel, and that's Mickey Mouse 2013 (the shorts show developed by Paul Rudish) when it was renamed The Wonderful World Of Mickey Mouse.
@@BlythePennyBicycle21 But they could do what they should have done with Scarlett Johansson and renegotiate the contract.
@@juanrisa945That's not going to work every time. Besides, Scarlett Johansson is a big name actor. Dana Terrace is respected in the animation community, but for higher ups, she's just another employee with much less power than them.
This puts Dana's comments about watching The Owl House on Disney + being the best way to support the show into a clearer context. If the show fits the "brand" of Disney + much better than Disney Channel, then showing it is popular on the platform would be the easiest way to try to convince D+ that it would be in its financial interest to order more of it.
Respectfully I disagree: Gravity Falls and Amphibia are in the same vein as Owl House and they're also Disney's Brand. Hell I grew up on Disney movies where the villains were so, sooooo evil. OG Malificent Evil, not this descendants regrade they've done now.
It's so clearly homophobia. Raya and the Last Dragon is proof positive of that. They're still queer baiting in 2021 when everyone else is out loud and proud. That's unconscionable.
It makes sense for most shows/movies to be aired on D+ too, it has a much larger viewer base the Disney channel
It also would be nice if other countries D+ would get TOH, especially knowing that it wouldn't be banned in my country for LGBTQ+ rep, it doesnt make sense why they don't open it up for more countries. I know for a fact it's aired on Disney channel here and finished "priemering" both seasons, yet it's still not on D+ here. If you dont allow it to get more views it wont get more populair.
I dont know. Its clear some people higher up just dosnt care about the show and seesit as a waste to throw.
Unles its gets trending TOP for months i dont see chance for the monopoly disney to change desicions.
@@89technical Did you paid attention? It was the fully serialized format not the tone. And if Terrace dosen't want to THINK such things of Disney, eithee it really has nothing to do with the LGBTQ+ rep or they hid their issues that well.
Disney completely screwed over The Owl House. If they're so concerned about the "brand", why didn't they make it a Disney+/Star exclusive series? Or better yet, why not let Dana go to another studio that will treat it with respect?
Yet Disney proudly advertises stuff like Family Guy or The Simpsons on their Disney+ Twitter accounts. Go figure.
Once a shows on Disney, Disney owns the IP, permanently.
@@endamcnabola that sucks because I remember the creator of Invader Zim pitch a show to Disney I forgot what it was called but there is some footage of it on UA-cam Disney rejected it but owns it and Disney will let the Creator have his show back if he pays them large amount of money which is totally ridiculous concerned they didn't want the show in the first place
If it had started development a year or two later when DisneyPlus was actually a viable option, it *would* have been a DisneyPlus Original and not on Channel at all. It was all a victim of bad timing and being developed for (what later turned out to be) the “wrong” platform.
exactly
Firstly, the show was greenlit before disney+ was even in development.
Secondly, Disney+ star is only available i n countries outside america so they would have to make it a hulu original.
Thirdly, promoting family guy is only done in countries that have star and anyone with two eyeballs can see that.
And finally, the "brand" is referring to the disney channel brand not the disney brand itself.
If you still wanna interpret things without doing research, then be my guest. It's not me putting false truths into my head.
The fact that Dana and the whole crew were under such difficult circumstances but still had the show be absolutely amazing is so impressive. I hate that they didn’t reconsider to move TOH to Disney+ after the lockdown and everything. They didn’t give TOH the chance that it deserves
@shaquille mccray did you watch the video?
This is completely unfair for Dana and the crew behind the show. “Doesn’t fit the Disney brand?” That’s the most pathetic excuse I’ve ever heard. Of course, it doesn’t help that the pandemic hit shortly after the show started, but still, this is ridiculous. This is why I despise executive meddling with a burning passion, and why this is a huge slap to the face towards the crew and us Owl House fans. Such a dishonor on Disney’s part!
bruh all i know its an awesome show
its just a stupid excuse like gravity falls didnt fit the "disney brand"at all but they let it slide
You didn’t watch the video
Doesn’t fit the brand?
Like it’s too dark?
Yet Disney had made PG-13 films (such as the Pirates films)
@@j_official4138 𝙸 can let go slip by because it's the best cartoon
The Owl House is a victim of bad timing and a victim of network change. Especially since they didn’t even give a chance to begin with by not including Dana in talks and canceling well before it got on Disney+. Also if they care about the serialized content advertise it more on the service since that is the whole point of it for people to catch up and follow the order, I mean that’s what me niece, nephews, cousins, etc. do for such shows and they understand things flawlessly. Honestly if they do make more stuff, I hope it’s Disney+ exclusive so Dana and the crew have a better chance to be appreciated for their work.
@@noahbossier1131 I hope that's true, and seeing where things are going with the show right now in terms of viewership, fanbase, sales in merchandise etc. I think there's a pretty good chance that we will get spin-offs, comics, and more.
Amounts to bad timing.
The series happened to start airing shortly after Disney+ drop and shortly before the pandemic began.
After months of the parks being closed, Disney had to make up their revenue. Since The Owl House was the odd one out, wasn't super popular (Grom had yet to air), and not too far into production on Seasons 2 and 3 it drew the short straw.
Matt's alluded that Amphibia took a budget hit as well although not as extensive as Season 3 had been in the works for a while.
The Owl House was fated to end at Season 3 given the Disney Channel pattern. Covid just expedited the process.
True Disney probably would have ended the show after the 3rd season. Once they get past 3 seasons Disney has to pay more. That’s why Suite Life Of Zack and Cody got changed to Suite Life On Deck. It would have been great if they let The Owl House have a full season 3 because that possibly could be the amount of the story the creators needed to finish the show. At the very least they should have waited until Season 2A was released before making the decision
@@maem7462 Unfortunately as I wish as a fan of the show yet considered possible factors of the animation process and Disney Channel current and past finical situations I don't think this one "higher up" at the Disney Channel had the luxury of time to make that choice.
The process of making an animated show, how DuckTales 2017 (a scripted Disney XD series but important for research) financially preformed, and greatly the fall of cable channels which this higher up working & responsibilities for the Disney Channel primarily must make choices and time to do so. Note this is "Disney Channel" vs "Disney" overall as this Higher up works for Disney Channel vs Disney+ which has it's own branding differences, situations, scripted series advantages, budget, and preexisting contracts that can process in the thinking and choices.
I love animation and I was happy to have a meeting with Disney TVA people where they explained some interesting matters and how a animated show is made plus it's timely process.
It takes a full year - year and a half to make 1 episode. The process takes time and requires alot of people working as a team and functional. Grom didn't show yet to us the viewers + we know the show when "green lit" in the past different factors might of been at play. The show was green lit for 2 seasons (DuckTales, Amphibia, and Owl House all had 2 seasons green lit package maybe advertising a show of faith to viewers of how at the time the higher ups felt they could of been successful but things changed) and the 2nd was being made and possibly was wrapping up before Grom.
A higher up MUST make a choice for a season 3 of a animated show before the process begins and that process usally starts possibly even during season 1 finale or season 2 very begining otherwise so much time between seasons where a fanbase might drift off can happen.
Plus importantly you have to take into account the team itself making the show. They need jobs thus they NEED to know if they have a job working on season 3 now or applying to other studios or projects. To hold that information off is putting animators from knowing if they still have a paycheck or looking for other work. You are asking for their time and they have bills to pay.
So a big question was when was truly the latest deadline for this important choice, what non subjective and subjective matters was considered (art, story, and branding is subjective as 2 higher ups can look at things and have different views but non-subjective matters such as financial outcomes and maximum budget and pre-existing contacts are not). How far back can the process for production starting with writing for season 3 can be pushed back before you hurt animation teams needing a job for pay?
Disney Channel for scripted series currently isn't a prime or best for any scripted series and DuckTales impacted the Disney Channel desision makers on this matters. Disney+ is however where scripted series can shine and doesn't have the same limits and costs for cable channels but Disney+ wasn't a big factor back then and Disney+ probably spent their starting budget on series green lit and marketing for a bit of a gamble and new territory.
I'm now hoping for the Owl House franchise with strong proven numbers on Disney+ Dana and others might be able to have Spin-offs or other series ideas they might have be green lit as Disney+ series if scripted and older audiences while Disney Channel currently focuses on Storyboarded series like Big City Greens that has been a success for them thus far & younger demographics.
Sooooo are we getting a season 3 or not?
@@treyowen9213 We are although it's been reduced to 3 40 minute specials as opposed to the standard 20-22. Don't know what Dana's original plan for Season 3 was but guessing it had to be altered significantly.
And yet Bunk’d got a season five so it can retred plots from the show WORD FOR WORD at times, sometimes in the SAME SEASON!
So The Owl House deserves the Young Justice treatment of coming back after a few years, hopefully not too long of a time.
If it does come back it will probably take years just like young justice
I’m really hoping TOH gets a darker comic series/graphic novel, or at least something that can help grow the Owl House series and canon
I'm surprised Big Hero 6: The Series is not brought up at all when discussing what happened to The Owl House. That show was also serialized and had some dark moments at times, and was also cut short by the third season. However, Disney went further and "asked" the producers to cancel any story arcs they planned on telling and make stories wackier and more light-hearted, something that fits Disney's brand rather than the show itself. Hopefully The Owl House will end with its tone and stories intact.
Oh that explains why season 4 is so weird and off-putting tonally! I was so confused, but studio interference makes sense.
Really? I didn’t know that. The fact the Amphibia still gets a full 3rd season made me very concern of that show because of how much filler there is in that season. Now that the 3rd season is half-done. It’s safe to say that the ending will be rushed.
Also, I looked up on Wikipedia and that Gravity Falls ended because it was Alex decision and that Disney didn’t canceled it.
It's crazy how most shows and other networks just cut shows like this in 1 season. Owl House is like seeing one of those shows actually get more content and makes me wonder what else we could've missed. Disney could have easily cut it to season 1
Seriously. So many shows I love (Green Lantern, Beware the Batman, Onyx Equinox, Sym-Bionic Titan, etc.) got cut short after one season. This situation isn't great, but it could've been way worse.
Remember the Gargoyles series, it is still considered part of the Disney Brand and it has a similar (even darker at times and very serialized) tone than the Owl House. Also it doesn't even have a kid/teen characters in it.
Yes I absolutely love gargoyles because at the time there was no other Disney cartoon like it Keith David as Goliath was amazing fans hated season 3 which was called the Goliath Chronicles. I really do wish it will get a reboot
Gargoyles came out in the late 90's though, that was a very different era of Disney tv where Disney Channel and Toon Disney had dang near everything on it. I can almost guarantee you that Gargoyles wouldn't stand a chance today, at least not at modern Disney.
There's a reason Disney isn't in a hurry to revive it compared to the other 90's Disney cartoons, though.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Because its not popular. Througth Jordan Peele wabts to revive the property with a movie. And he's enough to hook up those unifamiliar with Gargoyles.
I myself also have an idea to bring Gargoykes back to popularity: Have Eliza appear as a main character in an Epic Mickey movie. That's the one project where the "its not popular" argument can fall flat.
@@juanrisa945 Gargoyles was literally one of the top most watched shows on Disney Plus the moment it went live. It is plenty popular. Disney is just too stubborn to see that.
Funny how this show is what brought me back to Disney shows as I thought that Disney was done with good stories and characters for just toddler shows. Sadly I was right.
Honestly same. I still watched the Disney movies but I didn’t really watch any Disney shows until I heard abt Amphibia and TOH
Disney Junior has some great shows.
This is what happened to me and the Tangled Series
@@chickpea I recently watch TTS on Disney Plus. Both that show and The Owl House really reminded me of the old Disney shows that had interesting plots and good character development and also fun characters
@@maem7462 Yes! And funny enough TTS also had the same fate of "doesn't fit the Disney channel" some storyboard artists and even the creator wanted to make a spin-off about Varian called "Varian and the seven kingdoms" and Disney declined because Varian wasn't "popular enough" even though he's everyone's favorite... odd right? It seems to be a pattern.
All I can say is “god damn it Disney”
Same.
Oh boy Disney this is ridiculous please give the owl house a chance it really deserves better than this
Time for rebecca to give us a reality check 😭 (seriously tho, i loved the input u gave in ur twitter thread, making sense out of it really helped me calm down about the cancellation a bit)
I think a lot of fans would benefit from looking at this situation objectively.
She didn't say that it was the LGBT rep, but she didn't say it wasn't either. In all likelihood, she doesn't know one way or the other.
Either way, she's still bound by contractual obligations not to shit-talk Disney. Even if she was straight-up told "it's because of the gay stuff" she couldn't say that anyway. It would embarrass the company and land her in some possible legal trouble. It would CERTIANTLY make landing future employment much harder.
If it ever got out that Disney killed a show because one of a main cast same-sex romance it would by a PR nightmare.
That said, I don't entirely think it was the gay stuff, but I do think it played a massive role. There is a lot of demonic imagery, witchcraft, etc. Stuff the religious right doesn't sit well with religious right wingers. All the demonic stuff PLUS the gay stuff, I'm not surprised this happened.
“Religious”
Or so they call themselves that
True Christians and Catholics do not hate others
@@RYMAN1321 Catholic here-bingo. Had a gay friend in middle school, he was awesome. While there are jerks among us, people also sometimes grossly misquote us.
That "Eclipse Lake Reaction after watching only S02E1-3" was absolutely priceless!
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Agreed. It's so real 😅
"PINK?!"
"GIRLFRIEND?!"
I loved.
I feel like sooooo many people complaining about TOH beeing cut short have no idea of the animation industry and how much more complicated things are behind the scenes (and that "big cooperation don't like gay" isn't the only reason things can go wrong -.- )
Thank you for making this video full of information, explenation, and behind the sceenes views of the howl situation!
It bugs me a lot that so many people aren't believing Dana and just say "yeah, well, OBVIOUSLY she wouldn't tell us if Disney cut the show becouse of LGBT! She can't publicly talk bad about her boss after all!" when that is literally such a stupid reason since we have Alex Hirsch RIGHT THERE working together with Dana! You know? The same Alex Hirsch who openly taked about how shitty his experience with Disney handeling LGBT in the past where? Alex Hirsch who is STILL WORKING FOR DISNEY even though he spoke "bad" about them openly?! I fully believe, if the the LGBT was the reason for TOH beeing cut short, Dana would be the first one to confirm something like that!
It’s true that if dana knew it was bc of the LGBTQ+ she likely would have said it. Like I said Alex Hirsch still holds Disney accountable to this day while still working with them. I do get that lost of the reason for TOH not fitting the brand was due to it having an older audience and a serialized story. With what I’m abt to say idk for sure if this is the case but I wouldn’t be fully surprised if the executive also thought it didn’t fit the brand bc of the LGBTQ+ representation but didn’t ever say that out loud or to Dana. Like I said idk for sure if it could have been another reason why one person wanted to show that be done so quickly
@@maem7462 my thinking is: why would they green light it to begin with if they had such a big thing against the lgbtq in it? It's not like Dana had the chance to go behind there backs, and while she said that she had a strugle to convince them to let write a bi character, she also said that she got nothing but suport after wards. Since Disney oversees all the scripts, I think they would have cut down a LOT of things if the majority of them really had a problem with it.
Doesn't rule out the posibility that there where a view rotten eggs in the basket, but I honestly believe that the majority of those in charge didn't have that much of a problem with it.
@@aniflowers1998 True that’s a good point
She even mentioned how Disney told her not to put gay character in, then she said she decided to put more
@@aniflowers1998 let's not act like big corporations have nothing against LGBTQ characters, the only reason most of them let it happen is bc they can use that LGBTQ rep to get more audience, they don't care Abt representation, and it's pretty obv that the gay characters are a part of the reason they cut it short like let's use our brain chile
If there is a silver lining here, it's the fact that the crew were given notice in time to write 2B to account for the shorter season 3. Yeah, the ending won't be as good as it could've been, but I still think we're gonna get something that satisfies us.
^^^^
This is why I get a little frustrated when people say that the owl house was “cancelled”
Because it wasn’t
Yes it wasn’t what Dana wanted but in the end she’s still going to be allowed to write an ending to the story she is telling, there’s a lot of other cartoons out there that never got that opportunity because they got prematurely cancelled by their studios and their stories never got fully told
The original Teen Titans
Transformers Animated
Acceleracers
Sonic SATAM
And many others
All those shows never got to tell the endings of their stories and many threads were left unresolved
The owl house despite getting shortened is still getting the chance to fully tell its story from beginning to end.
@José Lucas Gonna take a page out of Luz's book here, have faith in the writing team. The situation sucks thermonuclear ass, but I'm sure they can make the most of it. Especially given the fact the season 3 specials are already in production.
Yeah I agree. The ending may not be perfect or the best but i certainly have faith in the writers
@José Lucas dwelling on how much it sucks isn't gonna make it any better. Considering the treatment similar cartoons get when they aren't up to the studio's brand, owl house got off lucky. You also have to take into account Dana had to fight tooth and nail to get even the season 3 specials.
Right now the best we can do is hope for more spin off content, which given the absolute *stupid* amount of times the owl house gets trending, is a very, very real possibility. Disney aren't total idiots. And even if that doesn't happen, at the very *very* least we'll get an ending, more than most shows like this end up getting, just like robosonic said. And given the fact they're writing season 2B to account for it, and season 3 is already in production, odds are they've already figured it out.
Actually production on S2B episodes were likely being made in the beginning of 2020 since the show was already picked up for a second season prior to the first episode of the show, A Lying Witch and A Warden, premiered in January 2020. I know in a Reddit AMA, Dana said that the entire first season was written before the first episode premiered. So I am assuming the same is true for season two with all of it being written before the first episode of season two airing. Meaning, that Disney likely didn’t tell Dana about their decision until ALL of season two was already written. So unfortunately, there will likely be some condensed plot threads for season three.
Personally, as much as this stings, I'll be surprised if we didn't get future Owl House content - even in a comic series or something - down the line. The fact they made the Hot Topic deal, along with the upcoming light novel and Disney+ being allowed to host season 2 much earlier than before, suggests to me that they've been warming up to TOH as a brand - likely because of how much it's blown up in the past year.
I also can't help but predict the specials are going to become Disney+ premieres for the reasons described.
Idk for sure if the specials would be Disney plus premium. I wouldn’t be completely surprised but I would hope not bc idk if my parents would want to spend money for the premium. A bunch of ppl who don’t want to wait any longer would have to wait longer than they want. Most the time the premium access seems to be used for movies especially the ones that are airing in theaters
@@maem7462 No, I didn't mean the premium service, I mean they would appear on the service before the channel.
@@toon4thought That makes more sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case
@@toon4thought the channel doesn't even exist in most countries anymore
As a queer woman, this breaks my heart. However, its existence at all is something that truly inspires me and I hope the creators can get other shows off the ground with this amazing energy on an independent platform.
I think that if the Owl house litterlty would have been greenlit a year later it would have a chance with a Disney plus development. Shame the primary plan of just making episodic content screwed it over.
A year earlier and it would've probably gotten a full Season 3.
“Doesn't fit the Disney brand?!” Man, that is totally an unfair reason to cancel such an awesome show just because it doesn't fit with the younger audiences?! Those stupid-ass executives have to understand that their own audiences are getting older, thus deserving more mature shows!
You forget that they have the numbers right in front of them. Disney Chanell has an increasingly younger audience than it had in the past. Every buisniss has to concentrait on there target audiences. Even if the previous audiences are getting older, it doesn't change the statistic that increasingly younger kids are watching Disney Chanel. Which is why Disney made Disney+. For the older audiences. Owl House had just REALLY bad timing, since Disney+ wasn't a thing yet/still in it's baby shoes when the show started.
@@aniflowers1998 Well said. This is very similar to Cartoon Network's “OK, KO” and “Infinity Train”. My guess is that if HBO Max were to been created earlier, both shows would've have multiple seasons by now. My hope for any upcoming show to the streaming platforms is that they'll achieve the popularity they deserve.
can we all be totally honest here what the hell even is disney’s brand anymore tbh?
@@MaskedKittyYT Couldn't said it better myself!
Exactly and I think a big reason as to why the show had an older audience was bc it had ppl who worked on Gravity Falls working on it. All of us who watched GF were exited for another show that would feel kinda similar. I think it would have been a more responsible thing to have a meeting abt it and maybe change the show to air on Disney XD and then once Disney+ was a thing they would talk abt airing it there instead of cutting the show
Being an adult fan of animation wasn't always difficult, in the beginning of animation it was meant for adults specifically in picture shows. Adults were the ones with money and so the content reflected adult entertainment which is why they are timeless. Animation oriented for children is new age and there are alot more restrictions cuz of it. In regard to Dana Terrace, I would hope this folly will encourage her to visit adult streaming/channel options considering how she originally wanted the tone of the Owl House to be darker. Look at shows like Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors and even Young Justice...predominantly an adult audience and still popular!
While I prefer having season 3 as 20 episodes rather than 3 specials, I wouldn’t mind as long as the give the series enough time to tie up loose ends and give it a proper conclusion.
My thoughts exactly
Dana I believe said last July the ending is already being boarded so it does look like it will have a satisfying conclusion
I just don’t understand why Do networks pick up shows if they are going to just hate on them?
If you didn’t like the Show itself why pick it up?
Decitions aren't only made by 1 person. There is an entire chain of people who have to aprove. And those who originaly thought a show was a good idea, can always change there mind and say "hm, maybe we did something wrong here" (In this situation: putting a show like Owl House on Disney Chanell, where it didn't fitt), leading to them droping a show. It's a much more complicated process, with many factors that play a role.
It all sucks cuz when it comes down to it owl house falls into the circumstances of bad timing. If the show was pitched later, like when Disney+ was coming into play, Dana and maybe even Matt probably would’ve jumped at that opportunity. Owl house would’ve made a perfect premiere series for the service. But sadly it it had to be axed before it got the chance to prove itself on Disney+.
Even if The Owl House was developed for Disney Channel, there would've been a chance that the show would move to Disney+ for Season 4 as an "Original Series". Because like you said, Disney+ is for "Family Co-Viewing" Am I right?
I like how you think! Never stop fighting
#continueolehouse
@@colebryant9841 but you know that is already too late :')
I hope once everything is over, Dana can revisit the Owl House and explore it the way she wants to.
Wander: Golly. First us now them? Why can't we continue our adventures? Ain't fair.
Okay, Execs straight up excluding Dana from conversations about ending the show is the biggest dick move I’ve heard of.
The less of these kinds of people freely deciding how other creators stories end, the better off the Animation Industry will be.
It’s so frustrating hating Disney when a lot of their content in the past decade has been nothing but sincerely fantastamazing. Choking showrunners’ visions will never make anyone happy.
I genuinely don't understand how Disney, a company that has made children's based content for decades, can't comprehend the idea that young children can still enjoy serialized shows.
Hell, when I was little I used to constantly watch reruns of ATLA. And those sure as hell weren't even close in order, like one episode would be Aang starting his waterbending training, and then next would be Katara bloodbending.
Because I was a kid I didn't give a fuck. I didn't care about the sudden development, I cared that the show itself was enjoyable. I don't understand how Disney can't grasp the concept that kids, especially little kids don't really care about continuity.
Iger is Jon Snow.
I actually started watching The Owl House a few months ago on Disney+ and I really enjoyed it. When I found out about this I was like wow. Then I think back to other shows they could be “not Disney related” and I could only think about Gargoyles cus if someone didn’t knew about that show and just saw it then they wouldn’t think it was from Disney.
Then again that is an old show back in the 90s and I don’t think they really had a “only Disney taste” vision back then and just experimented a little. If anything I thought it was mainly because of the production and with the whole COVID situation. So then why not continue it through Disney+. Idk. I just hate watching a show I like and then being canceled or half done when it clearly wasn’t finished.
Disney execs are dumb, but got lucky by allowing great creative minds like Dana, Alex, Matt and pre-ship nonsense Daron to grow and develop. Those 4 moving on and maybe going on to create and develop more mature and deep content is our gain and Disney's loss.
So sad there won't be a full season 3 - I love this show. At least there are people like you making videos about Owl House that we all can enjoy. I also just listened to a podcast that had an episode about Luz which was pretty cool. It was called Determination, Deliberation, and Dragons.
Such a fantastic and eye opening video for me personally. I love this show, and I mean love this show, and it stung so much when s3 got cut short. But this video truly helped to understand the situation, and has given me a much greater respect for Dana and the rest of the TOH team for the hard work they do, and for handling and talking about the hard news with so much respect, care, and optimism! I have extremely HIGH respect for that because being kind, real while being respectful, and just honest so no one else has unessacary blame put onto others…is not an easy thing to do! Also, we still have so many great episodes to return to, and I’m sure excellent episodes on the way to look forward to. This show has been great and I’m sure Dana and the team are doing everything they can to make the show as best they can, even with these hard circumstances. So thank you Rebecca, and as always FANTASTIC video! Love your work!
I will say that it is in the best interest of both Dana and the executives at Disney to not explicitly say whether LGBTQ themes played a role in it being cut short - even if Dana would have stated this had this been the case (consequences aside) that might be why no one explicitly told her whether it was a factor or pointed to other things when that idea was brought up. I'm sure the darkness and serialized nature was a big factor, but you can't (and shouldn't) rule out the generally (and unfounded) attitude that lgbtq themes in child programming is "too adult" as a possible contributing factor - that could easily have been the "straw that broke the camel's back" for why it was seen as "less suited" to the young audience of the Disney channel, though obviously there are other more credible factors.
The serialized nature is a big deal, too, that why I didn't watch Avatar when it first came out, I kept getting into the story at crucial plot points and feeling lost
Finally! I was hoping to get more insight into this. Not to mention a lot of misinformation is being spread all over the internet lmao.
Really sad about what happened to the show tho :((
I just started binging Amphibia and just finished seaosn 2, so if I had waited a little longer that would have been a huge spoiler for me. I'm glad I binged it now.
Disney: **drops owl house partially for budget reasons**
Also Disney: **is making like 4 live action Star Wars shows with highly expensive cgi, and like 2 or more marvel movies (or equivalent) a year**
and yeah, live action and cartoons are two different departments or whatever, but cartoons and *theme parks* are more different in my opinion.
Marvel, Star Wars, and Live-Action Remakes are safe bets and cash cows. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it, and they'll milk all three for as long as they can.
The Owl House is a great show and it deserves more love and a full season 3. I don't know what one of those executives are talking about but The Owl House to me is classic Disney. The show has themes of friendship, acceptance, understanding, comformity and of course good vs evil. The story and characters reminded me of classic Disney animated movies and tv shows that came before. The Owl House does fit the Disney brand.
I know this is a serious topic and it really sucks that toh won't be able to be told to the fullest, but your reaction to how someone might respond if they got behind is hilarious
"Who the hell is this punk ass emo kid??" 😂💀
I really do hope TOH fans can pull a young justice with this
Not happening
Dana said last July that the shows’ ending is already being boarded and will not go on after the finale airs
Granted she did say comics and spin-offs are still in the cards
Came here again after hearing the news that season 2b will premiere on March 19th. Very insightful, helpful and somewhat reassuring video essay breaking down the situation Rebecca.
Dana deserves so much better! And all the talent that works under Disney! 😡
Lol no
As much as I may love much of the content that has come from under the Disney brand, the company itself has made a lot of iffy decisions over the years. Enough to honestly make me feel that most, if not all of these creators, like Dana, might be better served by breaking away from them 😟
I really wish Disney would acknowledge its older audience and invest in straight up mature content the same way adult-swim and Netflix do... maybe even as a section on D+, creators at Disney clearly have interesting and mature ideas along with amazing animation skills, I would die to see a properly un-censored, free to explore mature content with a Disney's budget behind... instead, just like with their latest movies, they seems to be fossilized on just one formula...
The way she described the confusion of watching ep3 and then ep9 is hilarious 😭
TOH hasn't even ended yet and I can't wait to see what Dana and her crew will create in the future. Yes, it sucks that it was cut and it sucks that S3 isn't a full 20 episodes season BUT I trust the team will make a ending that does justice to the show with the 40min specials. It f****** sucks but at least we will have a conclusion
I think it's better to think that Dana's team will be noticed by Disney+ and will be given the opportunity to create a new show (maybe even better than TOH!) that will make us fall in love with it as much as TOH and will be treated with the respect TOH deserved. TOH is cut, and it sucks, but at least it can serve as the boost Dana and her crew need to be noticed as a talented team and be given the opportunity to make more amazing projects. So keep supporting TOH guys!!! :D
Yeah, your right.
I hope with all my heart this beautiful miracle of a show gets the much deserved full season 3/additional stuff. Maybe (depending on the lore in s3) a fourth season sometime in the future?
Knew the pandemic had a big part in shortening the show. Didn’t consider streaming would have an effect tho. This is all bad timing and a frustrating situation. At this point I’m just glad Dana and the crew were able to make the show. Thank you for the info and for making the situation more easy to understand!
Wow, you did a better job explaining this then that other video, you actually gave me hope while the other person made it seem hopeless because he thought Disney was a greedy pig...
Honestly. I don't think anything that comes after "The Owl House" and "Amphibia" will really do it for me. For some reason these characters really stick with me and ever since getting hooked these past two weeks, it's been heartbreaking to find out it will all be over sooner than I thought, and with one of them being rushed as well. It's been a while since I've felt passionate about such beautiful worlds and for it to be swept away has just left me in shock and sorrow. It definitely doesn't help that I'm just mentally, drained.
This was such a great video. Kudos to you and your great interviews!
Disney: we're worried this might be to dark for 5 year-olds
Also Disney: LOL let's kill our main character's parents and teach kids mommy and daddy will die
Or show a evil doer falling to their deaths or have children get turned into donkeys because they drank, while yelling for their mom.
It’s sucks to see the Owl House get cut short like that
I just hope that the finished series will have ended in a way that makes Dana and the crew proud of their work
Dana deserves a third season on Disney+, maybe even more than that. Give us a sequel series as many anime do. Disney has some atonement to do for withholding Dana’s ability to be involved with making decisions about the show. The Owl House is a gem and I don’t want it to be thrown away because of tragedies in our world and corporate carelessness. #SaveTheOwlHouse
Yeah, or at least a season 4 on Disney plus. #continueowlhouse
Even though it's probably unlikely, I really want another studio to pick up TOH and let production continue. It makes me sick to think about Disney continuing to profit off it being on Disney+
Disney’s making a mistake axing their most respectable currently airing show. Amphibia is fine and I love Big City Greens, but the owl house is special in such a way that really I can only compare to GF, P&F and KP. Since those were also highlights on DC throughout their run
I’m glad this video exist and that it make things more clear, but it sucks that many people don’t watch it and just jump to conclusions
I complete agree with you on that
It's a good show. Sad that it's ending. Makes me wonder what Disney's main priority is nowadays. Disney handled this poorly. Hopefully the final goes out swinging. Owl House, you will be remembered. Thanks to anyone who read this.
I get that the parks took a big hit during Covid and everyone had to tighten the budget, but that's still not a good reason to axe your arguably most popular show over all of them. Amphibia is on its way out, so it's safe. DuckTales is coming to an end and the Ghost and Molly McGhee just started to of course they were all safe, but it didn't even need to be an animated property that got hit. One of their live action shows could've been cut. There are plenty that could've ended already.
If it's more suited for ongoing and action stories, they could've slid it to Disney XD like GF or made it a Disney Plus Original. Cancelling it out right, no matter how you look at it feels targeted. None of their shows has as much heat on it as the Owl House. It's banned in multiple countries and censored in others. Yeah it's not as episodic, but they say that like they can't rerun first season episodes on the network if they want. They already figure kids wouldn't notice anyway, so why not?
And why wouldn't kids like a cartoon with a story they can get into and become a fan of? We live in the day and age where kids know who not only Iron Man, Captain America and Thor are but Thanos, Loki, and the Infinity Stones. The MCU has very much proven people in general are willing to follow serialized, including kids. And those are movies. Cartoons made for children is just its own league. Yeah they fought an uphill battle and they practically won until some loser decided to change the rules.
Honestly to me, the Disney brand just sounds like it's supposed equivalent of chicken nuggets. Something any and everyone of any age can and should be able to enjoy, but always being served specifically to children because they think that's all kids like. I get that they're a company trying to make money but didn't Walt Disney himself say “You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway.”
I'm just saying, there were many other routes that could've been taken here and the fact that they basically used this as an opportunity to just get The Owl House off the network without an actual clear answer beyond "the brand" reeks of prejudice. Hopefully Netflix picks them up after, but for now. I'm streaming every episode
I do agree with everything you said. I do think I remember hearing about that quote from Walt Disney himself
Akihiko Sanada: I’ve been waiting for this!
Copy pasta you've seen a million times about the Third season of The Owl House
The Owl House has been renewed for a shortened 3rd season. We want at least another full season length, or any form of compensation!! Dana posted on Twitter that we will be getting a short season containing just 3 special length episodes; the equivalent of 6 normal episodes. It is confirmed that this will be the last season. This was NOT Dana's choice; she had been hoping for a normal 10-20 episode pickup, and not expecting a cancellation. The possibility of a potential season 4 pick-up whenever buget won't be restrained due to COVID-19 was never considered at all by the Disney higher-ups.
Dana tweeted that if we want to see the show continue, TOH merch, or anything else TOH related, snail mail is the way to go. Disney still reads and responds to snail mail. This is an effective way of contacting them. They don't appear to read DMs and emails, presumably due to 1) the sheer number they receive, and 2) the fact that people mailing letters are statistically over 18 and therefore able to earn and spend money (like on, say, cable subscriptions or merch). Watching the show on Disney+ or signing this petition might be effective as well. Petition: www.change.org/p/walt-disney-don-t-stop-making-owl-house?recruiter=1163645852&recruited_by_id=380ee030-23d4-11eb-8914-93235ec97d71
This is the address to Disney to send mails
Disney TVA
811 Sonora Ave
Glendale, CA
91201
(Copy this text and spread the word)
Yes, I'm still pretending this could work, it's all I have left...
Well, if Young Justice could come back on streaming 7 years after the show was over...
You know what really annoys me, they added an LGBTQ+ tab, on Disney+ and TOH isn’t even the first thing you see! You have to scroll through to see it!
I admit it's hard of me to think of the Disney brand and not think the lgbtq+ rep had absolutely nothing to do with that. A few weeks prior to the show runner for New Warriors, a show that only had the pilot shot, had a similar story of 1 Disney exec shutting it down and that show runner did say it was due to it being too gay. Of course I also think Dana is being truthful here so yea I got to take her word for it even if a part of me wants to argue against that so hard. It's also just so weird to me that 1 person bad the power to destroy these shows. That feels like a power structure that is only going let the most boring things that please everyone through. (And I really hope I don;t come off as someone refusing the video or Dana's post, just tried to explain that it's a knee jerk reaction to Disney based on a long and recent history from the company).
If we can't get another season or more episodes perhaps we could get graphic novels/comics. They could even make them crossovers with Gravity Falls and or Amphibia. As for Season three, the specials will each probably focus on Luz, Eda, and King respectively
We might be sad that it will end soon. But at least we got one heck of a show. Everything has its end and unfortunately it looks like TOH has reached it for now
@@noahbossier1131 Well im mainly focusing to the main show. I dont mind spin offs or sequels but it just wont feel like were watching a new season ( which is what most of us want). We still should be grateful tho if they made spin offs or sequels. I do believe in the strength of the fanbase but from the looks of it right now. Disney is still keeping its choice of not continuing TOH
It breaks my heart to see this shows get cancelled... =(
Guys imagine if there was a 4th season things would be sooo fun
when i saw the first episode on Disney channel I thought, Hey this is the start of an amazing story. but to hear the show is being shortened to the season 3 specials, it just broke my heart. but I'm sure season 3 will live up to the expectations because we have the rest of season 2's episodes to look forward to. like we got Lumity, Soon to find out king's origins, Eda has excepted the owl beast as part of her, so i can say season 3 will be great but it will be shortened because of the crappy Disney exectes, i hope dana gets the respect she deserves in the future.
The only thing that bugs me is that GF was moved to DXD, so why can't they just move TOH to D+?
I know right, it would seem like a smart money move to me
Recently, the entirety of Fancy Nancy season 3 (which is 13 episodes, unlike seasons 1-2 having 25 episodes) was released onto Disney Plus and Disney Now on November 12. This was the same day that the season premiered on television on the Disney Junior channel. I wouldn't be surprised if someone higher up would do the same for Owl House season 3 and just release all 3 specials on the same day and get it over with.
The exec who made the decision to cancel The Owl House needs to be named, because he deserves to spend the rest of his career being known as "the idiot who cancelled The Owl House."
I’m glad to receive more context on this issue. It reminds me of my first episode of Season 1 being “Understanding Willow” that I watched.
It's sad that Owl House and most of the other Disney shows (e.g. Amphibia, DuckTales) ended after 3 Seasons which is a result of corporate/network meandering, or by the creator's own decision on wanting to tell a completed story (e.g Amphibia, Tangled the Series, DuckTales 2017), mainly the former.
And although some are satisfied with certain shows ending at Season 3 due to the creators wanting to tell the story they wanted to (I'm one of those people) others are disappointed that they want to see more of the show and It's worldbuilding be resolved leading to their suspicions and theories that Season 3 (albeit shortened) of _The Owl House_ being the final season was due to pressure by Disney and Disney Television Animation to end it early which several creators who worked at Disney TVA including Dana Terrace confirmed on Twitter, Reddit or certain podcasts and Owl House was one of those Disney shows that suffered Disney's treatment compared to the other series that ended their runs at Season 3 (e.g. Amphibia, DuckTales 2017).
This whole situation reminds me a little of the cancelation of "Megas XLR" by Cartoon Network back in 2005. Executives can be real idiots lol.
Yep, they can b sometimes.
Omg Sora could’ve met folks from the owl house ;-;
i know its late, but why didnt that one person who canceled the show think for one second that, "Hey, maybe if the show was continued, we could have more episodic and rerunable episodes that we can make money off of?" or "if we put it on disney plus, we will get a huge amount of money and support so we can continue the show and have more audiences on our streaming platform"
The Owl House deserves a 3rd season.
I think there will be good things in season 3 that will come next year. I hope i am not wrong because i encourage other fans that there will be good things in season 3 that will come soon.
it does have a third season, just that it's only three forty min episodes
If Dana Terrace wanted to do another show that's like the creator of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss. I'm sure that people would be 100% willing to be her Patreon for the next show! And heck, I'm sure that there's independent people out there that can provide the resources to help~
And this is why for me as a young creator, if the option ever becomes available, I'll never be working for Disney. EVER. Even if it's a choice between working for the big mouse or living in a box I'd rather live in a box than work for a company who treats its creators and their work like absolute garbage.
don't pitch to Nickelodeon either
@@Old_Wise_Wizard oh yeah, I know that one really well, pretty sure everyone in animation knows that by now given how downhill they've been going over the past few years due to the lack of any decent content and the poor treatment of what little content they had that was decent.
@@Old_Wise_Wizard Nor Cartoon Network. That’s the monstrous channel of them all!
Its more infuriating that they let amphibia get a full season three despite being less popular initially
Aged up Hunter spin off on adult swim when?
This was top quality type of show, on the same level as Amphibia, Gravity Falls, Adventure time, Regular show, Marvelous adventures of Flapjack or Chowder. Why we live in a world where cartoon or series which is really good, funny and aimed for slighty older audience then it will get their budget cut short and cancelled but series created with minimal effort in animation, stupid and boring like teen titans go, get 8 seasons and movie. Some part of Belos at the end of season 2 must have made its way to Disney headquartes and posses minds of executives because this whole situation is absurd. This show was rare flower in the sea of shit we currently have between cartoons. Please Disney allow creators of this show to make a spin-off, movie or another show for them.
The owl house is so fun though. Did Dana make the owl house into a comic book that we can read or a light novel? Cause I would love to know the true direction that the owl house would’ve gone without Disney butting their noses in
If we’re lucky, maybe someday we could either have an Owl House sequel series or spin-off on Disney+. Also maybe a comic series and video game series as well.
So, it is literally Invader Zim all over again?
The thing about this show is that is so good that it’s literally better than most of the Disney movies that have been released recently and the Disney movies are literally like millions of dollar budgets and the one problem about them all is the story that are in the movies because they all seriously are very s**ty like a movie about a girl that turns into a Red Panda and made the movie about her going into women hood, a movie that is literally just a rip off of Indiana Jones but it’s animated, and finally a movie about Elements not mixing I mean seriously I don’t even think Disney is even trying anymore
If you go to google trends and put gravity falls amphibia and the owl house you can see the Disney brand is stupid as he11
And then put the Simpsons a show that Disney bought and it’s definitely not part of the Disney brand
I imagine working with Disney is like working in a literal dungeon.
After the final episode airs, I'd like to know just how different the show would've been, how much content got cut due to the cancelation.
I'm not happy with the decision to nix the series, but I think a lot of people are being hyperbolic. The Owl House was more a victim of bad timing than discrimination.
This isn't me saying that Disney hasn't done questionable shit (they have), but I'm not sure homophobia was a much of a factor here. At the end of the day, it was Disney that approved of the script and the content within the show.
12:00 It sounds kind of like what happened with DuckTales (2017). The show originated on Disney XD in 2017, joined the Disney Channel in 2018 where it ran up until the Season 2 finale and I guess this show didn't fit the "Disney Brand" anymore. So, it was pushed back to only be on Disney XD for Season 3 where it unfortunately ended.