Are Necrons the STRONGEST ARMY in Warhammer 40K Now? Best Units + Detachments Reviewed...
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Let's talk through the power of the Tomb Worlds in 10th edition with how necrons are looking post-dataslate...
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Performance and Changes
4:16 C'Tan
6:22 Hypercrypt Legion + Monolith
9:02 Canoptek Court
11:08 Wraiths + Immortals
13:21 Other Strong Units
15:29 Two Strong Army Lists
18:16 Outro - Ігри
Seems like the only place Admech will ever beat Necrons will be in the Mechanicus game.
And apparently, in recent lore?
Auspex is a Necron's construct imo. Never ending, never resting.
Nah I think his voice is AI now like those David Attenborough 40k videos.
Must serve
Might be a Votann 😃
Bro when the reanimation protocol begins : "And I see you guys next time"
I don’t believe he’s an ai, there’s too much emotion in the delivery, granted it is pretty monotone, but you hear him using 40k slang that i think an ai would get wrong. Furthermore i don’t think it would save all that much time, considering that the script would still have to be written by a human, and i reckon that the voice recording only takes up about, 10% of the videos production time.
My guess is that GW had a massive warehouse filled with C'than that they wanted to get rid off >.>
The C'tan were pretty good in 9e as well.
So unlikely.
The c’tan are sold out on the warhammer website
If they plan on releasing new models this makes the most sense
I wish.
It took me a while to find a Nightbringer when i finally had the cash and interest. Can't wait to taste that resin Finecast dust.
Problem is they have absolutely terrible internal balance. They’re getting carried hard by Wraith’s and Ctan shards. Especially the Ctan. Like holy hell, how good they are compared to the cost is mind boggling. Especially given how GW treated the Lion. They must have written the codex’s close to one another. How do they go from super strong and cheap, to mediocre and expensive?
To be fair, I feel most armies have absolutely terrible internal balance not just in 10th but in 9th too.
The irony of that is the lion wasn't even a competitive option to begin with he was outclassed by his brothers AND was too expensive to justify in general. And their answer to situation was just make Him slightly less expensive with him soon to be worse upon codex release. I knew GW has tendency to be retarded but damn.
Yeah checking the math doing GMan or the Lion charging the Nightbringer you've only got a 60% chance of doing more than 4 wounds with either strike profile, those are some of the hardest hitters in the game. It's counter strike has a high chance of killing either Primarch. Yet its nearly 100 points cheaper than both of them, its crazy.
Yeah either of the two loyalist primarchs are hilariously overcosted by comparison to the ctan it's a joke
Imagine then how bad it must feel if you play Tyranids and your "Big Baddie" is the Swarmlord.
And its barely playable. 😅
*I know the feeling.
When you create detachments which fixes main problems of your army this army become "broken")
As a player who leaned hard into chaff units, I personally find myself wanting when it comes to my Necrons.
I think some internal balance is sorely needed, some proper buffs and nerfs in the right places.
Be careful what you wish for. Your best units will get nerfed to the ground and your struggling units will get paltry buffs at best that mean nothing.
Lol, that's definitely where I'm already at after the Codex drop, so I'll elect to take that risk! 😆
Happy for the necrons! Always fun to play against
Yes. Necrons have it all; Firepower: Check, Resilience: Check, Mobility: Check, Cost: Check, Melee: Respectable
Everything but flesh. Yours looks nice. Give it to me
But AdMech needs Knights to get close combat support.
No they dont
Problem is it’s all on a few specific units in a single detachment. Makes the rest of the lineup useless. I miss warriors
No! Not enough Melee! Morrre! :<
But joke aside, yes. C'tans points must be increased. I absolutely love their power, it feels slow but inexorable and terrifying, exactly how gods of the material plane should feel like. They must keep this power level, but they need to be more expensive.
Aside from the C'tans, i think the main issue is internal balance indeed. Both in point and rules (detachments are just ridiculously designed).
Hi Auspex, thanks for the vids ... all the vids
The statlines on the ctan for how they're costed is just nuts.
In hypercrypt - yes. Not in hypercrypt - no. 6" move monster is a joke)
@@evgenijvalamin6473 That didn't stop GW from punishing Centurion Devastators
@@basteala525 totally agree with you and this is sad(
I e played 4 games with my Necrons since our Codex came out, won all 3 pretty handily, Ctan shards are all just so tanky and perform so well, our infantry units are all solid too.
Last game was against IG 2k Vs 2k I only lost one unit of Immortals everything else was being chipped away at but couldn't be fully wiped out and tabled them turn 4
Doomsday ark, void dragon are crazy effective at wiping out mid and heavy vehicles
Transcendent and Night bringer fantastic at clearing all forms of light - heavy infantry types
And hupercrypt allowing you to pop all sorts of units wherever you need them I didn't have a single turn I didn't max out primary and secondarys
Crazy strong
It makes me happy that the 2000pts Necrons army I have been enjoying playing casual games with, using the Awakened Dynasty detachment, only has one unit in common with the "two strong army lists" which is Scarab Swarms lol.
Imho, in casual games necron is awesome. All your units and detachments works really nice.
Awakened Dynasty is definitely still viable, just less interesting since the codex took away a bunch of our fun combos & synergies. Obeisance Phalanx is a hidden gem IMO. I just had a match against Grey Knights today and had a sword & board lychguard squad tank a terminator squad, purgation squad, and rhino all at once and a warscythe lychguard slaughter a dreadknight, a terminator squad, and strike squad by itself. Lychguard are still our best tool even without being able to attach crypteks anymore -- you just have to run them with with nobles for certain now, plus Obeisance has an Overlord enhancement that gives the unit -1 hit on incoming attacks which combined with their ability to defend against stronger weapons let me just fluff off heaps of attacks.
C'tan can go up a little bit and add a rule that says you can only include 1 C'tan in total in your list would solve that I think, and then increase the wraiths and reduce the warriors
This is what I was thinking lol if I see a dude fielding Void Dragon + Nightbringer + Trenscendant I'm loosing my shit
Or give warriors their old datasheet and cost. You're lucky if you get one wound that actually goes through with a block of 20, and that's even if they're getting in 40 shots.
@@TheCreezyBoythe fact that there was a list that placed pretty high in the LVO that had 5 c’tan models is honestly mind boggling to me… some things where never should be meta and c’tan monster mash is one of them.
There shouldn’t be a rule limiting how many. They should just cost the correct amount.
@joshramirez2049 there's been plenty of rules in 40k's history that's limited how many of some things you can take. Max 3 of each datasheet, max 2 flyers, limits on Ork buggies. Limits on Tau commanders. Limiting Necrons to 1 c'tan pr army is fine imo.
I have been able to play well into Necrons, both Hypercrypt and Canoptek Court. It’s enjoyable to see them winning, but it’s never too overwhelming. You always have a good game
tell that to my ork bud
@@kevinkirk3156 is he trying for slaughter, or trying to score points? Most of the heavy melee armies (Orks, World Eaters, Blood Angels, and the like) are highly susceptible to disregard scoring in lieu of trying their best to decimate their opponent’s units. The problem with this comes two fold, as there are two detachments with wildly opposing themes. 1) Hypercrypt’s mobility will almost always ensure that most of your good options for murder will be whatever chaff they choose, not you. 2) Canoptek Courts lists are like running head long into a wall, and with a strat that allows them to move away if you move or set up within 9” your massacre will generally be halted.
Stop playing their game, and play 40K. Go for points, hold objectives, and let their horrible melee attacks from wraiths be but a whimper while you worry about ensuring you hold the line
he tries to just destroy every model. I counter his play style, so all in all. he needs to try different things. He also isnt the best at list building, not taking characters for max units etc
@@stevenburton7725
Your friends suck . If skill is equal crops have edge in almost every way
Your god is no match for my gun
Final words of a guardsmen after seeing a ctan shard
Ironically my void dragon was mainly brought down by guardsmen las rifles and bayonets.. Lots of damage 1 is how to deal with them unless you have massive damage gun! 😅
For sure they are best now. I thought they were best even before the latest balance dataslate.
My biggest pet peeve with the Necron codex is just how inexpensive the C'tan really are. When compared to the Aeldari Avatar or Yncarne, the C'tan have comparative offensive abilities, have way better durability, worse maneuverability (unless when using Hypercrypt) but yet they are anywhere between 60-95 points cheaper, depending on your choice of C'tan.
The necron codex is just out of wack it’s internal balance is so slanted for you to play canoptek or hypercrypt. The other detachments are either bad or mid, some of them having units excluded from abilities because of keyword issues (you mean to tell me a catacomb command barge with a Overlord doesn’t have the Overlord Keyword)
Also, Lokhusts getting absolutely no love in the Annihilation Legion - and the lack of Advance/Charge in Annihilation Legion, putting it solidly behind other melee focused detachments.
Having run Obeisance Phalanx a couple times now I actually think it is the hidden gem of the codex. Awakened Dynasty is still viable just far less fun than it was in Index form and noticeably less powerful compared to CC and Hypercrypt. Annihilation Legion on the other hand desperately needs something. It's ridiculous that the detachment is themed around Destroyers and Flayed Ones yet Lokhust Destroyers & Heavies get zero perks from it.
@@nightwatchm4n I ran the Phalax dettachment in a casual smaller sized game and it was quite good
@@ggadmire Nice. What army list did you run with it?
@@nightwatchm4n i was doing the Porhammer Horde mode so i had 500 points and took Imotekh + 10 Lychguard and Overlord w/ cloak + tesla immortals. It was a silly time but it really helped give me a tasting of the stratagems which came out to be pretty clutch like when I popped the +1 OC to steal a objective from the horde when Mortarian was sitting on it
I absolutely struggle against Necrons this edition. I can't even come close to winning against them.
Are you focusing down their bricks?
@johnj.spurgin7037 Yes, and I still struggle. If I focus on one, I don't tend to get them all, and they stand back up, with other units grabbing points. Meanwhile, I get blasted off the table or devasted by C'Tan
Which non-C'tan units are causing you the most trouble?
I'm a Necrons player. Want to kill my CTans, hit them with a ton of 1 damage shots. Seriously, can't halve that damage and chip damage even with the FNPs is hard to always roll hot against. Usually 30_40 1d shots can do it consistently.
Yes! Just in time after I bought up a few boxes to get going (after 13 years of not doing anything), love me some robot skelly bois!
As a necron player, i fully expected a ctan shard nerf. A limit to them on the field and/or a points increase is coming. Eventually. The rest of the army isn't as overwhelming as they are. Wraiths maybe for how tough to kill they are. But i prefer using lychguard so i miss them being the tough troops to kill.
If I had to guess, GW are gonna wait till the Dark angels get their points update, and update Admech and crons then. That gives them more time to see how the individual units perform in tournaments.
GW sold enough Aeldar, now they need to sell the Necrons that have been stockpiling.
Mmm, no. Lest we forget, the army got a range refresh - *checks date* - 3 1/2 years ago. The C'tan and Monoliths have actually been consistently selling well for a while, and they were quite good in 9th edition (exception being the Deceiver) at various points.
The only thing that even changed between the start of 10th and now is that they were *all* given Feel No Pain 5+, and the T C'tan's points have been 280, 300 (when it was running around with Feel No Pain 4+), and 275. The FNP 5+ is the entire crux of them being 'undercosted' currently. Did we ever hear a peep about the named C'tan before now? No, not at all.
This is such a non take
For rebalancing i can see the necrons getting a points increase for c'tan, immortals and wraiths, with possibly cryptek mancers also getting a hit as well.
Immortals don't need nerfs, they are just okay. They are only really played because the other battleline unit is absolute trash right now. Wraiths are fine to go up 3 or so points per model altho if not that's completely fine too, they don't really have THAT good dmg output for their price. Ctan are the OP ones, absolutely insane what you get for only 255-270p
Agree here, Wraiths are about as good as Index Lychgaurd (the former being faster but the later being a little tougher and killyer) and priced nearly the same as the Lych were at thier best ... C'tan need some point increases, warriors could use either a rules buff or significant point drop to be considered@@swinegods
Its just not fun to play against the hypercrypt legion in my opinion. Even if you screen, they can deepstrike 3 inches from you, so even turn 1 they can be almost everywhere they want. They can deepstrike, focus down a particular key unit and then just jump away again to do the same thing yet again. Also they score secondaries like almost no other faction. Very frustrating
Maybe change cosmic precision to 6", and reduce the total# of default returned to reserves units by 1?
@@johnj.spurgin7037 3" is ok. GW need to Turn of chronomancer move after cosmic precision.
Really works with the feeling of dread of the Pariah Nexus
It's pretty funny how a lot of necron players were crying about how "bad" the codex is when it came out and yet here we are
Aeldari and Necrons players both love to whine whenever it comes time for them to get nerfed. Others will go “yeah, it’s broken, it needs a nerf.” But those two will go kicking and screaming. The amount of people I’ve seen saying the Ctan are still underpowered and don’t need nerfed is ludicrous.
Codex was bad. Everyone said that ctans is awesome, hypercrypt is nice. People were crying about other changes. Regain d6 wounds one per battle....
It's still bad. It's just the C'tan that are obscene. Wraiths, Immortals and Lokhusts are pretty good, but the rest of the army is trash.
And immortals is good only because in every detachments you can fine option for full re=roll to hit
I was just sad that my giant necron warrior army became basically unplayable. Not going to go buy wraiths and the other c'tan shards either so. Yea the codex is skewed aka not a good codex
I feel like the C’tan must go up, and maybe not be eligible for some of the movement shenanigans, but I’m hoping they make some changes so other datasheets are actually worth taking. Hopefully some keyword fixes for Obeisance Phalanx and more viability for the melee destroyers.
Is there any problem with Necrons being on top for 3 months? Aeldari has held that position for some 9 months. I have a Guard army and it was extremely frustrating that my army was only good for a mere 2 months (in 9th Edition).
I have not yet had a chance to field my full necron army (started in 9th), but it does seem weird lore wise to me that an overlord can play pokemon master and roll up with multiple teleporting cyan shards.
they did semi nerf the Ctan with the change to "Ignore modifiers rule"
"Our new robot overlord" Love it
We only hail our supreme overlord Asdrubael Vect!
Can anyone explain why Roboute Guilliman costs 350 points, but the Nightbringing costs 255???
For my 2-cent, maybe a slight points boost to C’tan but not more than 300, wraiths are at a good points cost I feel 220 for 6, at that cost your not spamming ( plus you can’t find any in store). I think anyone can be win a game comes down to player skill, and chance ( dice rolls).
I have predominantly played Crusade this edition, specifically with Necrons and Guard. Meta means nothing in Crusade as it’s all about building on what you have. Started the crusade with silver tide, and that will continue. I’m not gunna throw C’tans in straight away just cos they’re S tier at the moment. When the time is right, they’ll make their appearance.
I need to give crusade a try, ive never played it before.
@@m33ddyhv if you have a group of people you can meet and play regularly with, it’s a lot of fun. You kind of create your own Meta. My Necrons are locked into a long War with a Tau force at the moment. Any upgrades I unlock tend to assist me with dealing with what he’s likely to bring, as opposed to beating top tier armies. It’s good. I would recommend giving it a go if you haven’t tried it before. That said I totally get it’s not for everyone.
I faced a really incredible canoptic court player in rnd 6 at LVO as DW. I almost killed two wraith bricks in one turn, woulda fulled them if my assassins had been able to kill the leaders and remove the 5+fnp. Won the game by a clutch 1 point when Callidus found a hole in their deployment for deploy. Crazy hard to fight against fs - def my hardest matchup and I didn’t even lose that one, going 5-1 😅
I hate to be the admech player who is always grousing but this is the Codex power boost we should have gotten. Maybe not this much, but some.
As a Necron player I pray the buffs flow in your direction soon.
I knew there is some difference in how codexes are balanced but looking at the Lion vs Ctan, he’s 2 less toughness, 2 less wounds, 2 less strength and up to 4 less damage on strike (all compared to nightbringer) does not have the half damage or the feel no pain and yet the Lion costs 100pts MORE?? The Lion does have command abilities but they are pretty niche and only apply in some matchups some of the time
Same goes for Guilliman but he is even weaker in combat than the Lion 🤪
It’s not much different for the daemon primarchs ngl, like they are good in their own armies sure but it’s insane that for similar combat stats that the nightbrinnger is almost 200 pts cheaper than Magnus is insane, like I get why they are more expensive cause you know… auras but still c’tan surely have to be at least 300pts
True, at least the demon ones have more toughness and wounds. The loyalist ones are too weak to stand alone and tank fire without lone op
Not to mention they removed the Lion’s -1 to wound. Can’t have him be too durable. Not like the Ctan have a 4+ invulnerable, 5+ FNP, halve the damage of attacks, AND REGENERATE WOUNDS!
Lets be honest C'Tan have zero support abilities and have a 6" Move whichonly one detachment is able to get around. If it were nt for that, we would see them spammed. Instead of stripping their FnP, which is basically a necessity because of Devasting Wounds, unless GW redoes the rules for Dev Wounds, they need to give Primarchs a 5+ FnP as well.
I mean the Lion as the Emperor's Shield and he is lacking a FnP?? Or some kind of -1 Dmg Reduction? I feel like if both Primarchs ad some form of save vs Dev Wounds combined with thier support Auras, they would be in a very good place...Necrons have already had tons of rules changes to the point the army feels stalewith only 2 detachments that are good competively. If they buffed Annihilation Legion and the Obeisance Phalanx while adding back a 3rd unit for Crypteks to join, I think Necron players would be happy.
ALso, it doesn't help we are one of the few factions that have a full Codex which gives us an advantage over other factions because its too early in 10th which places us up against the majority of factions who still are stuck using thier index Detachment and that is not a fair comparison...I knew Necrons were going to have simikiar issues like they did in 9th which is desoite thier deep unir roster, GW doesn't know what to do with them and they will see a huge list of changes all throughput 10th edition with a ton of band aids to try and make thier detachments work.
I wish we had our 6 Major Dynasties back and I miss customizing our generic charactersbeing able to pick and choose Relics and Traits
And lastly I like how they hyped the Dark Angel refresh, despite losing access to more data sheets then gaining new ones from this "Refresh".
10th Edition is a deifintely in a strange state of play and people keep saying its close to being balanced....
C'tans cost half as much as a big knight, while being more tanky and capable of dealing more damage. Half the armies just don't have the firepower to dislodge a 4+/4++/5+++ T11 W12 + halve all incoming damage unit with regeneration, and their only drawback (poor mobility) is mitigated by hypercrypt's ability to pick them up and drop them off wherever. It would be perfectly reasonable for GW to double tap necrons the way they double tapped csm (ie both rule nerfs and point increases).
They move 7 inches. I just ignore them tbh
@@redrumssam5888 hypercrypt laughs while picking them up and dropping them wherever they wish
community: Necron strongest army
GW: Fine fine, 400 point ctan shards it is...
(Not before we can finally deplete the 22 year old resin C'tan kits...)
Similar stat models are in the 300 point range so I see them more around that.
Necrons alone are fine in my opinion, except for C'tan. There should be limit to them, like with Primarchs and they shouldn't be so cheap. For what they bring to table, cost should be increased by at least 100pts. Clearly someone F-ed up with them.
But what to expect, the same person probably came up with an idea of Stormlance and then removed mounted captain, scouts, marines and trike, leaving single mounted character and a single mounted handicapped unit...
Well i guess my bananas and i have our work cut out for us this Saturday.
May I just add that the Nightbringers Datacard that has been shared is outdated, it no longer has Blast on it's shooting attack.
Improved tbh. Now he can stare down the tank he failed to finish off from melee.
@@davisimo0 Oh absolutely, with that Strength and Damagecharacteristic it was weird to target clumps anyways.
Just wanted to add it since the datacard shown in the video still shows it.
Well, let's wait for, say, a month and see how Drukhari winrate skyrockets.
Won't happen, Drukhari will remain low tier.
@@brycedery9596 Skari just crushed an Invitational tournament with top players only with the new detachment.
As a fan of 3rd Edition Necrons I couldn't be happier. Next the glory of the C'tan destroy all! At least until their next nerf....
I played my guard against a necrons list today.
And while it was a lot of fun and guard is very fun to play...
Jesus christ i got dumbstered xDD
I honestly didnt have anything to deal with the ctan shards and the wraiths with technomancers were soooo tanky 😅 T6 4W with 4+ invuln and 5+ Feelnopain
Don’t forget Lokhust destroyers cost only 30 for a single guy 10 less than scarabs only 2 less movement and T6 toughness so they are my secondary unit cause a decently tough unit with a 24 inch gun to snipe
DS deny, utility, and some handy shots in a pinch. Maybe just make it so you can't take them in 1s and 2s?
@@johnj.spurgin7037 that’s what my thought was to make where you need a 3 man unit for 90 points
Lokhusts and Heavy Lokhusts make for some brutal gunlines.
@@nightwatchm4n they do, with the caveat that they seem pretty easy to kill if you point heavy weapons at them.
Problem is, I don't think anyone likes playing strong Necrons rn. Their strength is all in 2-3 units with the rest of the roster being super weak. Feels really bad to fields the same units over and over again.
I recommend you give Obeisance Phalanx a shot. I've had great success with it so far plus it's way more thematic to Necrons than CC and Hypercrypt. I think it's the hidden gem of the codex. We can turn Lychguard into unkillable death blobs again with Obeisance Phalanx and send their damage output through the roof. Or you can do some weird but wild combos with Overlords & Crypteks leading battleline units if you like.
They're probably up there. Top 3 at least. Though I've heard credible discussion on Black Templars being stronger at the very top end.
Immortals don't have either of those key words do they reroll hits?
Unfortunately Necrons are so oppressive to play against for a lot of armies. I play Tyranids which already struggle to kill so when you add insanely hard to kill units that also heal at least once a turn, it's an impossible battle. If I show up for a game/tournament and I see Necrons with C'tans and/or Wraiths, I honestly don't even feel like playing 😅
Word of advice from a Necron player -- you don't need to kill our Wraiths and C'tan, you just need to move-block us and score points. If you must fight them head on then multi-damage weapons are the way to go against Wraiths and then volume focus fire against C'tan. I recently watched a battle report of a guy running Wraith/C'tan spam against Imperial Guard and yeah they cut the Guard to pieces but Guard ultimately prevailed on points by cutting off Necrons' movement and out-OC'ing them on objectives.
Dual Ctan Hypercrypt... so wild to play against. Not a linear game.
Don't like seeing this sort of thing as a newbie that is building the combat patrol. Scared of over nurfs haha
Can't wait for them to fix necrons after wraiths and c'tans are sold out by nerfing every other units under the sun.
Oh cool, I'm the first to an Auspex video.
Just are internal balance is in shambles.
Aeldari and WE got nerfed, no one else did (though Aeldari are just moving sideways into other great unit sheets that they have). CSM changes were clarity on rules, as the Eightbound thing shouldn't really have been allowed by TOs, and marks being aligned doesn't really nerf the army at all. There was a very real buff into C'Tans that happened for most armies, in the change to "ignores modifiers", which will make Firestorm/Ironstorm strong into a "C'Tan meta", alongside a number of other armies and Strats. Also - the LVO list was taken by an EXTREMELY good player, and the opponent misplayed badly. This list isn't the same as the Vanguard list, in it is just insanely bad to play against, or Cheema's CSM list. I think there are going to be some very interesting lists coming in response to a sudden up-tick in Necron armies.
Actual CSM got nerfed into the ground. Every single one of their better units got points increases, strats nerfed heavily, accursed cultists and commune were absolutely butchered and not a single points decrease to help with internal balance except for the giant kiling robot lol.
@@scotiansaint5679 they are still a severely good army pal. They were just ridiculous before.
@@UltraMeanMarinesI think they're below average
Am I the only Necron player that prefers when they're not the top army? Makes me feel cheesy when I win, I like being the underdog more.
Play AdMech. You'll be underdog more than not and you're never in danger of being buffed.
Try weird non-meta builds and experiment with stuff. I'm having tons of fun with all the tricks Obeisance Phalanx has to offer atm.
To be honest, I don't follow the meta. I have no clue what is going on. I pretty much avoid looking at tier lists, army lists, etc so I can just play what I like and not know the true power level.
So the way I play, my army is probably not overpowered - but it just disappoints me a bit to know that my faction is the strongest. @@nightwatchm4n
I feel they should just limit the number of Ctan you can take. Playing against 3 of them feels like you are just getting murdered by 3 primarchs that can teleport around heal every turn have half damage and 50-100 points cheaper.
Saw the statline and costs for C'tan and compared it to my 275 pts Norn Emissary or the 290 pts Norn Assimilator .... fuck they really did nid statlines way below what they should be for the points. The biggest scariest monster we have and it is surprisingly weak and easy to kill compared to C'tans that are cheaper... WTF GW.
10 move and 15 OC) You pay for this.
A boost in point for C'tans or a limitation to 1 per army would rebalance necrons, withouth C'tans they are fine
I love that Necrons are competitive again, we’ve been bottom half of mid since 8th edition. I just wish that our lists could be more diverse, in 8th it was spam scythes and now it’s spam Ctan.
Necrons might need some small nerfs, we'll have to wait and see how it all pans out. I'm more interested in seeing if they buff Annihilation Legion so there's more ways to reasonably play Necrons without hamstringing yourself too harshly by not playing the 'good' detachments.
Since they are a tad unbalanced right now it would be nice to know alternatives to counter them, specially Ctan shards
Units that can deny deep strike or strat reserve within 12”, like Infiltrators, just got a lot more valuable
Move block the bejeezus outta them and score points or, if you absolutely must fight them, focus fire with sheer volume.
Imo it's the ctans in hypercrypt that are the strongest now. Not necrons in general
now if they could just buff Trazan then it would be a perfect world
That's the dream. The dude turned the entire galaxy into a giant game of Pokemon... yet only gets sustained hits d3 and explodes a friendly character to take his place on tabletop.
My Monolith (even with the 4++ in hypercrypt) has never lasted past turn 1.
Let your opponent think that this is part of the terrain)
Possibly expand on how it dies turn 1 have been looking to get one. 22 wounds seems like a lot to get through and it having toughness 13
@@surfnbird6480 6 eradicators or wraithguards) And baad rolling)
@@surfnbird6480 two rupture cannons.
@@surfnbird6480 also 'possibly' try phrasing your replies better. Came off like a git.
I just finished building and painting my Silent King, just in time for them to be strong. Lovely.
Alert ‼️ he doesn’t have the right keywords to use the rules of his own detachment 💀
@@YourLocalInquisator ha! Which detatchment is that? I'm still using the launch detachment!
I refuse to believe Auspex Tactics actually gets the amount of sleep he says he does.
@@theviewbotI’m aware he’s British, and his actual uploads and whatnot, it was sarcasm
Not saying this will happen: but if we see an emergency dataslate that buffs AdMech and nerfs Necrons in the next couple of months, I would not be surprised.
I don't feel like they're strong, but that they're awkward. I've noticed that their defensive and offensive profiles are just a bit weird. So you're almost always catching your opponent off guard
It's the detachments. The 2 most popular detachments basically funnel us into playing like entirely different factions altogether. Canoptek Court turns us into Aeldari and Hypercrypt turns us into Grey Knights -- neither of which are particularly thematic to Necrons. Awakened Dynasty and Obeisance Phalanx are much better themed and then the poor Annihilation Legion unfortunately, while theme-appropriate, is just pitifully underwhelming compared to the our other 4 detachments.
While we're finally in our rightful spot, we don't want to be in GWs crosshairs lol
Votan are still very very strong, think there is some competition at the top right now well more than there was before the balance pass… ctan are a problem cause its a literal no brainer to bring a couple at least to any fight. Immortals are literally fine, they see play cause warriors are meh so fhey get skipped put on but i suppose you could make a big annoying block of stuff depending on what your willing to put into them… its also not like necrons don’t have pivots they can move to in their dex… doomsday arks are still pretty stand out as far as a floating giant gun goes… chronomancers are very annoying… shroud lord is kick ass value… its not like destroyers are bad or anything so you could defo play them too… locust and heavy anyways are pretty strong dataslates… i think this proves stuff with really good massive guns maybe should not really have some ridiculous movement stuff, cough aeldari, cough necrons… maybe we shouldn’t get half damage rules anywhere on anything ever… cough cough… maybe there’s a better way than that…i’m all for people bringing big centre piece models and i understand you kinda want them useable and able to survive a turn without getting blasted away as soon as its dropped on the table but gw have not made all these things equal in that respect… Aeldari and necrons big mosters really do stand out from the crowd… feel i should mention Mortarion now how is very bery good for his cost now with that updated you can’t mess with me stuff but he sure can mess with you… yeah i’d be happy enough to bin half damage as a thing in the game… kinda like i was desperate to bin damage caps in the game… again i think its more an access thing to these rules that really ruins them for me and most players… like if every army had something that could do it that would maybe be different but GW plays favourites with this….
Considering all of the Custodes detachments have leaked and are just trash, yes Necrons are for sure top dog
Canoptek Court and Hypercrypt will inevitably get nerfed and rightfully so. People need to learn to move-block Wraiths and C'tan and get back to scoring points. Like come on folks, you're extremely unlikely to kill a Stat God let alone 2 or 3 or 6 of them -- believe me, we Necrons tried and that didn't go so well lol. Meanwhile Awakened Dynasty is still perfectly viable and Obeisance Phalanx is a hidden gem that everyone is sleeping on. Annihilation Legion is the weak link which is a shame given how great Destroyers and Flayed Ones are on raw stats.
Ctans need to be minimum 350 points arguably 365 due to the fact they’re better than both loyalist primarchs by a good margin
350 is the upper limit of what they should cost to be viable. With movement 6", they're strictly a deterrent/countercharge unit. There's no way they can ever get anywhere outside of Hypercrypt, they get screened out way too easily.
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C'tan were already pretty good before; strong but not completely OP.
Then they gave them all a 5+ FNP lol.
One ctan per army?
As a Necrons player, I am a bit concerned. While I'm pleased crons are doing well, and on strong datasheets and rules instead of 9th edition scoring jank, the internal balance is so poor that I fear GW's usual sledgehammer approach to balance might make the faction really bad. I guess we'll see what happens in April
Give Obeisance Phalanx a shot. It's got quite a few tricks you can pull with it. Everyone's sleeping on it right now but I think that could become the dominant detachment once Hypercrypt and CC get nerfed.
I can't stop laughing after realising, that a firstborn mini marine has a better save the the C'tan :)
I mean a 4+ invun and a 5+ fnp is objectively better than a 3+ save
My bet is that Custodes rises to the top of the pack and the stat check for Necrons.
I played against Custodes and in hypercrypt it's a not a hard game)
Custodies dont have an answer to the ctan though
ctans and to slightly lesser extent wraiths being overpowered does not make necrons a strog army show me a list wth no ctans or wraiths winning anything.
also ironic their 2 most powerful units not being necrons (god shards and constructs) is totally obscene anyway, give the actual necrons the top billing in their own army!
You're telling me my T9 - 7W Kastellan Robots are worth 55 - 70 points less than C'Tan??? No way my lil robots should be worth 200 pts when things like this exist...
Doesn’t really matter as come next balance all armies get rejigged anyway ..
Necrons doing great! Better nerf Dark Angels!
Anyone saying that Necrons have a 50-63% win rate are liars
Why they thought leaving the C’tan alone was a good idea will never be understood by the modern man
Can’t wait for people to tell me how Necrons are op while I’m running the most god awful list imaginable 👍
The actual strongest army will reveal itself to be Astra Militarum
playing them in 9th was a slog and command protocalls were a mess, only good thing were our reanimation protocals and that brief TSK gimick with menhirs. Have so much variety now, its class!
It's about time, 9th edition power creep was not kind to the dynasties
Edit: Wait a moment.. that final list had 3 C'than, which are Epic Heroes. You are limited to a maximum 1 Epic Hero aren't you?
One epic hero of the same name. So you cannot have two silent kings. Multiple epic heroes of different names are fine.
One of each epic hero...
Epic Hero means you cannot take 3 Nightbringers, but you ca nstill take one of each "named" C'tan without issues
Maybe a rules cap to 1 C'Tan shard per army? Annoying, but if shards in tandem could fuse or devour each other and break free... there'd be a DAMN good reason to keep them apart.
@@liv9520 ah, forgot about that little tid bit
I am surprised Immortals and Ctan are that cheap, wow
Immortals are fine, they're just superior to warriors because after their nerfs warriors are overcosted. The synergy... maybe?
C'Tan are definitely undercosted though.
@@johnj.spurgin7037are they fine?! T5, reanimation, 3+ saves, Sustained 2, Assault/ lethal hits, rerolling 1s or rerolling all wounds rolls on S5 guns AND OC2?! Even ignoring the Necron synergies that's insane for 70pts for 5... and they're battleline, that's just crazy
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NECRONS!
The points value of this edition have been so out of whack this whole edition. Vehicles and some larger units that are really good barely cost more than an “elite” infantry unit despite the fact that the infantry unit can’t do shit to anything but infantry. It’s gotten a little better with the updates but the points costs of various units and unit types makes no sense
I definitely want to start playing hypercrypt just for the competitive fun but Idk I feel awakened dynasty is still pretty solid sure it’s simple with a plus 1 to hit but I have a list with the silent king giving the re roll 1’s aura. I basically get two detachments in one: granted a 6” aura is needed but I only have 6 wraiths, and my latest game I got tabled turn one by orks. I wish I had more wraiths but at the same time I don’t have it necessarily want 18 wraiths
The nerf will remove them from the game
I spent like $1000 on harlequins in 2021. Can someone please tell GW to give me my army back?
Necrons aren't even that scary really to my gladius space marine list. it's their 200 pt c'tan on a bull$hit 40mm base that gets me
Not necrons as whole but two specific detachments are strong. Rest are garbage (awakened dynasty is 50/50). Im trying to play with vast units types. Rest of my necron player friends are like: Wraiths, Immortals (ZERO WARRIORS) and doomstalkers maybe ctans and monolit. Thats it.
Necrons assuming their rightful place as supreme rulers of the Galaxy.