This Brazilian Theropod May Have Been The Biggest Ever... If It Was A Theropod At All

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • It seems like every few years the news cycle explodes with another new giant theropod set on dethroning Tyrannosaurus. The 90s were full of giant carcharodontosaurid hype and the early 2000s had Spinosaurus as their sweetheart. In 2024, Tyrannosaurus appears to be the reigning champion with its biggest representatives at 10-12 tonnes--but a new challenger approaches, this time from the Early Cretaceous of Brazil. Will the tyrant lizard king’s claim to the throne last?
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  • @iratezombiemann
    @iratezombiemann 5 місяців тому +289

    This therapod will get increasing hype for the next few years, it will get reviewed by less biased peers, and it will be downsized.
    Calling it.

    • @therumbleinthejunglee
      @therumbleinthejunglee 5 місяців тому +7

      I’m calling it you’re going to be wrong.

    • @mhdfrb9971
      @mhdfrb9971 5 місяців тому +35

      ​@@therumbleinthejungleeok mr paleontology expert

    • @johncasarino5627
      @johncasarino5627 5 місяців тому +33

      @@therumbleinthejunglee he won't be wrong, same thing happened to carcharodontosaurus and many, many others

    • @20footAmethystinePython
      @20footAmethystinePython 5 місяців тому +4

      Oh golly, another paleontonthology debate that is gonna turn what we already know about dinosaurs upside down

    • @petrkinkal1509
      @petrkinkal1509 5 місяців тому

      @@johncasarino5627 I think he meant it partially as a joke I hope (therumbleinthejunglee) but I would also probably go with most likely downsized (that is if we even get more material to work with).

  • @taurovenator8406
    @taurovenator8406 5 місяців тому +51

    We all are laughing at the 20 ton estimates now 😂 I remember the good old days where an oversized Baryonyx with a sail on it's back was 21 tons😄

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +22

      Oh gosh what a time

    • @C_Saharicus
      @C_Saharicus 5 місяців тому +5

      Dam life goes fast. It feels like yesterday I used to think spino was 15-21 tons

    • @FA-18ESuperHornet-jm7my
      @FA-18ESuperHornet-jm7my 2 місяці тому

      The giga is considered the most "intelligent" theropod when it was first discovered.

  • @gamediverbr
    @gamediverbr 5 місяців тому +513

    WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE BRAZILIANS?

  • @The_Story_Of_Us
    @The_Story_Of_Us 5 місяців тому +70

    A few ways to explain away the size of the centra is
    A) That it belonged to a Sauropod
    B) That the animal it belonged to had fewer tail vertebrae than other carcharodontosaurs, making each one longer on average to increase rigidity and balance
    C) That the fragmentary nature of it indicates it could be misidentified as a middle caudal centra and instead be one closer to the hips and therefore longer.
    16.8 meters does sound pretty outrageous and unlikely. Though isolated elements have broadened our understanding of what was possible in species size before, such as the big old Temnodontosaur bones that put the 10 meter size into question.
    Sometimes though, there are just too many unknowns, this case seems to be one of those.

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +13

      Excellently put!

    • @Sachicasaurus
      @Sachicasaurus 5 місяців тому +7

      I hope it doesn't come from a sauropod.

    • @Train_lizard
      @Train_lizard 5 місяців тому

      Better be, I’m done with South America trying to give us megatheropods

    • @The_Story_Of_Us
      @The_Story_Of_Us 5 місяців тому +4

      @@Train_lizard wdym ”trying to”, it just does

    • @laseriedeladilophosaure9246
      @laseriedeladilophosaure9246 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Sachicasaurusj’espère que un énorme theropode qui mesure aux moin plus de 14 m car sela reste plus moin probable

  • @t-r-e-x452
    @t-r-e-x452 5 місяців тому +200

    In other news, the giant British ichthyosaur got named.

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +82

      Working on a vid right now for it!

    • @t-r-e-x452
      @t-r-e-x452 5 місяців тому +20

      Good, good. Looking forward to seeing info on a proper 25 meter giant

    • @Tyrannosaurus_rex.
      @Tyrannosaurus_rex. 5 місяців тому

      What is the name?​@@t-r-e-x452

    • @steveirwin3594
      @steveirwin3594 5 місяців тому +5

      Is this the Aust Colossus? What's the new name? I BEG OF YOU TELL ME

    • @t-r-e-x452
      @t-r-e-x452 5 місяців тому +18

      @@steveirwin3594 Ichthyotitan. From Lilstock.

  • @JohnCena8351
    @JohnCena8351 5 місяців тому +22

    If the media was always correct with their outlandish "bigger than Rex" headlines, T.rex would only be considered a medium-sized carnivore at that point.

  • @jamesaron1967
    @jamesaron1967 5 місяців тому +27

    This is by far my favorite paleontology channel. Thanks for bringing attention to this specimen!

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +6

      Thank you! I appreciate your support. I add an additional stress that this specimen is extraordinarily fragmentary and undiagnostic and shouldn't be involved in any serious discussions about theropod size, but it's certainly interesting!

  • @nono9543
    @nono9543 5 місяців тому +22

    20 tons? That's like an early 2000s Spinosaurus fanboy's wet dream right there
    (I am a Spino fanboy)

  • @Whity_the_Demon
    @Whity_the_Demon 5 місяців тому +31

    Can't wait for the downsizes if we find more fossils

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +21

      Yeah, and as I mentioned you can scale it to as low as 12-13 tonnes using animals like Neovenator. I haven't experimented with megaraptoran scaling but I'm sure that gets lower results as well. I personally strongly doubt the higher estimates

  • @TheVividen
    @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +15

    REFERENCES (and please make sure you read the disclaimer in the video)
    Acro Midcaudal Measurements: www.researchgate.net/publication/40662847_A_new_specimen_of_Acrocanthosaurus_atokensis_Theropoda_Dinosauria_from_the_Lower_Cretaceous_Antlers_Formation_Lower_Cretaceous_Aptian_of_Oklahoma_USA page 221
    Bandeira et al 2024: www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2024.2318406
    Bates et al 2009: www.researchgate.net/publication/24023506_Estimating_Mass_Properties_of_Dinosaurs_Using_Laser_Imaging_and_3D_Computer_Modelling/figures?lo=1

    • @weirdnerd1309
      @weirdnerd1309 5 місяців тому +2

      Why not make that a pinned comment?

  • @AgroAcro
    @AgroAcro 5 місяців тому +15

    Unexpected Acro mentions are always welcome

  • @evanlephrog7337
    @evanlephrog7337 4 місяці тому +4

    Name idea: Natiaspectus
    Nati is born, aspectus is favored. "Born to be favored." Because it's a big theropod.

  • @Mr_bot-786
    @Mr_bot-786 5 місяців тому +12

    Soon the rex will go from 12 to 21 tons to reclaim it's throne, like it did before

    • @Ghostshadow1234
      @Ghostshadow1234 5 місяців тому

      Spino in background: just wait

    • @CosmosReality-j3g
      @CosmosReality-j3g 4 місяці тому +1

      NHMUK 16421 spinosaurus weight 10.3 tons
      ed cope was debunk so lets use sue trex only weieght 9.7 tons and giganotosaurus largest specimen only weight 8.7 tons

    • @Mr_bot-786
      @Mr_bot-786 4 місяці тому +1

      @@CosmosReality-j3g what, I had an stroke reading that

    • @CosmosReality-j3g
      @CosmosReality-j3g 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Mr_bot-786 this is the truth NHMUK 16421 is just underrated that's why hes put to be 7 tons predator but he is not its just that people downgrading it

  • @YouStillHide
    @YouStillHide 5 місяців тому +14

    Watch this being an early abelisaur in 2 years

  • @Vexinsight
    @Vexinsight 5 місяців тому +6

    Well, until it is confirmed or not. The largest carnivorous dinosaur in Brazil will continue to be Oxalaia/Spinosaurus.

  • @TheHauntedDiariesUrbex
    @TheHauntedDiariesUrbex 5 місяців тому +47

    I'd name it Boitatavenator (" Boitatá - a giant snake with bull horns and enormous fiery eyes that crawls over the open fields at night. Sometimes described as a giant. fiery snake. Looking at its eyes blinds people. + venator "hunter")

    • @clairdias7729
      @clairdias7729 5 місяців тому +17

      no, the name of this animal should be Gargantuasaurus behemothi or Impavidus colossus in reference to the Brazilian national anthem

    • @V1ncenz010
      @V1ncenz010 5 місяців тому +3

      @@clairdias7729concordo 100%

    • @alfredwaldo6079
      @alfredwaldo6079 5 місяців тому +7

      ​@@clairdias7729 Gargantasaurus goes hard, and feels very memorable

    • @alexjunior5774
      @alexjunior5774 5 місяців тому +6

      @@clairdias7729 Curti o Impavidus colossus, hein. E se for referenciar o Boitatá, acho que o certo é usar mais a forma originária do nome, não? Acho que é M'boi-tata, ou algo assim, só espero que não façam nada no mesmo nível de Thanos de novo, aquilo foi horrível rs, alguém devia ter impedido kkk

    • @lhamaseveramenteirritada9760
      @lhamaseveramenteirritada9760 5 місяців тому

      ​@@clairdias7729Os dois soam foda p crl

  • @FellowManofAggieland
    @FellowManofAggieland 5 місяців тому +62

    T-Rex be like: Not in my kingdom you don’t!

    • @sainjor3932
      @sainjor3932 5 місяців тому +1

      Tyrannosaurus only gains in weight, the largest carnivorous theropod is Spinosaurus

    • @Steam537
      @Steam537 2 місяці тому

      @@sainjor3932weight is size spino is only longer btw

    • @sainjor3932
      @sainjor3932 2 місяці тому

      @@Steam537 No, Tyranosaurus only weighed more than Spinosaurus, but Spinosaurus was much bigger than it, including its sail and neck

  • @commiegnoblin12
    @commiegnoblin12 5 місяців тому +7

    Remember when people had Spinosaurus at the the 20 tonne range lmao

  • @AlmaNegra7101
    @AlmaNegra7101 5 місяців тому +6

    I even have a name for it Brazilotyrannus Imperator "the tyrannical emperor of Brazil"

  • @Tyrannosaurus.rex.
    @Tyrannosaurus.rex. 5 місяців тому +118

    20 tons is unrealistically large for a theropod. Who the hell came up with this estimate?!

    • @enon8116
      @enon8116 5 місяців тому +37

      It’s like when they estimated perucetus’ max weight to 300 tons, which would be impossible for it’s speculated niche of being a bottom feeder

    • @hplovecraftcat
      @hplovecraftcat 5 місяців тому

      Attention seekers made the estimate. What the hell happened to paleontology? Instead of trying to understand the past and the evolutionary history on our planet, they just want to get attention by making absurd and clearly incorrect estimates.

    • @filipbitala2624
      @filipbitala2624 5 місяців тому

      The brazilians

    • @neuro.6650
      @neuro.6650 5 місяців тому +7

      I mean as a specific adaptation for hunting sauropods and if they somehow managed to make that weight work on two limbs then why not?

    • @20footAmethystinePython
      @20footAmethystinePython 5 місяців тому +2

      I KNOW RIGHT! Plus ig a new challenger has appeared and it’s gonna reshape our understanding of mega theropods

  • @PrehistoricMagazine
    @PrehistoricMagazine 5 місяців тому +4

    Wow never heard about this. Thx for continuing to put out such good content. Mike from Prehistoric Magazine

  • @mstr293
    @mstr293 5 місяців тому +20

    Ah, yes! Another contender for the "Overhyped biggest theropod who turns out a lot smaller in real-life" awards. Spinosaurus was hyped as the T-Rex killer in JP3, then turned out to be Crocoduck a couple of decades later. Giganotosaurus was hyped to be double the size if T-Rex in the Ark games, just for it to be discovered that T-Rex is bulkier/heavier than it.

    • @laseriedeladilophosaure9246
      @laseriedeladilophosaure9246 5 місяців тому +4

      En fait les deux premiers spécimens giganotosaurus sont plus grands et plus lourd que les deux premières spécimens de tyrannosaurus rex donc il est encore possible que si ont fait plus de recherches sur giganotosaurus et sa formation d’origine et qu’ont découvert plus spécimens il pourrait s’avérée que giganotosaurus soit belle et bien plus grand et plus lourd que tyrannosaurus et même choses pour spinosaurus car la représentation crocoduck soit en faite plus semble a un Suchominus avec une queue particulière et une voile a 1/4 de sa longueur faite avec une basé musculaires donc se que je veut dire par la c’est qu’il n’est pas complètement sur que tyrannosaurus rex soit le plus grand theropode et il est donc possible qu’il existaient un theropode plus grands plus massif que t.rex

    • @mateussousa1236
      @mateussousa1236 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@laseriedeladilophosaure9246Je suis d'accord avec vous, le Giganotosaurus est plus gros que le T-rex, car lorsque le Giganotosaurus a été découvert, il a immédiatement surpassé plusieurs spécimens de Tyrannosaurus rex, si je ne me trompe pas, le T-rex moyen mesure 11,2-12 mètres et 8- 9 tonnes et les plus grandes mesurent 12,1 à 12,6 mètres de long et les condoléances 11,5 à 12,4 tonnes. Le premier spécimen de Giganotosaurus mesure 12,8 mètres, il a surpassé tous les Tyrannosaures, c'est-à-dire que le premier spécimen de Giganotosaurus n'est pas encore le plus grand, le deuxième spécimen de Giganotosaurus est plus grand que le premier, avec 13,2 ou 13,6 mètres de long, et certains estiment le la seconde mesurait 14 mètres de long. En plus du Spinosaurus et du Giganotosaurus, y en a-t-il d'autres qui peuvent être plus gros que le T-rex ? Comme Mapussaurus, Carcharadontosaurus, Tirannotitan, Acrocantosaurus et autres ?

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому +2

      @@laseriedeladilophosaure9246 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @laseriedeladilophosaure9246
      @laseriedeladilophosaure9246 5 місяців тому +2

      @@rodrigopinto6676 🤦‍♂️

    • @Orcinus-s4z
      @Orcinus-s4z 3 місяці тому

      Having a big bite force doesnt mean its the strongest. Hyenas have a strong bite force but looses in a 1 on 1 on a lion. Jaguars sometimes looses on anacondas too

  • @egzar1138
    @egzar1138 5 місяців тому +3

    Someone are talking about 200 ton sauropod and nobody bats an eye.
    Someone suggests that 20 ton theropod could exist and everybody loses their minds.

  • @kevinnorwood8782
    @kevinnorwood8782 5 місяців тому +15

    Basically, the only TRUE challenger to T-Rex's throne is STILL Giganotosaurus.

  • @symphonyofshred
    @symphonyofshred 5 місяців тому +2

    This was such a pleasant surprise. I was pondering how we could have know this caudal vertebrae even belonged to a theropod and you answered it, thanks!!
    As for this potential discovery!wow! How fascinating. I wonder if this caudal may even belong to a spinosaurid? That group was doing very odd things with their vertebral column. I can’t wait to here more about this megatherapod. A TWENTY TON theropod!!!?! How did this thing even move around on two legs?

  • @ΠαναγιωτηςΑγγελ
    @ΠαναγιωτηςΑγγελ 5 місяців тому +5

    I only know about the new ichthyosaurs arguably the biggest marine reptile ever lived

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +2

      A video on those is in the works!

  • @dedmed8139
    @dedmed8139 5 місяців тому +55

    What kind of idiotic estimate is 20 tons? Wth?

    • @neptuneai8168
      @neptuneai8168 5 місяців тому +41

      Caudal vertebrae is 45% longer than Acrocanthosaurus, so extrapolate to say that the entire theropod is 45% longer than acrocanthosaurus. Then by square cubed law, a 45% increase in length yields a 200% increase in volume, and since density is basically the same for all animals, 200% increase in mass. Acrocathosaurus is thought to be around 6 tons, so a 200% increase would be roughly 18 tons.
      The obvious problem is assuming that this new theropod and acrocanthosaurs have the same dimensions. There is no reason to believe this given the fact that we only have a caudal vertebrae and we aren't even sure if we have a carcharodontosaurid. But it's not an idiotic estimate, its pretty reasonable given our lack of information currently.

    • @Misp7423
      @Misp7423 5 місяців тому +7

      ​@@neptuneai8168you explained this perfectly, thanks for that🙏

    • @resul3447
      @resul3447 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Misp7423 It still doesn't make sense

    • @AgroAcro
      @AgroAcro 5 місяців тому +10

      ​@@resul3447It makes sense how they got the estament. It probably isn't accurate but it still is cool. I still can't imagine it being too small

    • @jamesaron1967
      @jamesaron1967 5 місяців тому

      @@neptuneai8168 Well summarized.

  • @Mr_Chubutensis
    @Mr_Chubutensis 3 місяці тому +3

    Meanwhile, there are other Carcharodontosauridae in Brazil

  • @thedinohunter212
    @thedinohunter212 5 місяців тому +14

    If this does turn out true, the dino crisis 2 giga does have a irl counterpart

  • @PredatorAlienate
    @PredatorAlienate 5 місяців тому +2

    Arguably, charcharodontosaurs could ill-afford record-breaking restrictions on their agility. How would a crocodile-brained ambush predator lug 20 metric tons into a pell-mell? Scattering a herd of colossal quadrupeds with little more than a gang of disorganized rivals, sidling up beside the nearest straggler, peeling off a worthwhile strip of flesh, turning tail, and navigating the gauntlet of fugitives ALL BEFORE drawing either a kick or a tail lash from any direction would have required nimble footwork as much as it would decent peripheral vision.

  • @PrehistoricMagazine
    @PrehistoricMagazine 5 місяців тому +1

    This is really fascinating stuff. So many amazing dinosaurs await discovery. Mike

  • @quakethedoombringer
    @quakethedoombringer 5 місяців тому +1

    Though I agree that 20 tonnes is laughably exaggerated, there is still a possibility that a a predator rivaling T-Rex and Gigantosaurus in length (and maybe weight) isn't that big of a stretch. After all, this is the land of the titanosaurus

  • @wendi3961
    @wendi3961 5 місяців тому +1

    Probably a fragment of a Sauropod or something: [Exists]
    Jack Horners Existence: [Rubbing Hands together] MY CHILDREN, WE SHALL ATTACK ONCE MORE!! THEROPODIZE IT!
    [Insert Rex battling the claims of a 20 TON CARNIVORE]

  • @Damasen13
    @Damasen13 5 місяців тому +68

    Until more material is out, I won't believe it then. Im gonna hedge my bets on it being a long boi. That mass would be too detrimental.
    16 meters long and twenty tons? Sounds like a Vastatosaurus Rex from Skull Island.

    • @godzillakingofthemonsters5812
      @godzillakingofthemonsters5812 5 місяців тому +18

      Ironically V.rex's canon weight is 8-10 tons despite being 40-50 feet (12-15 meters)

    • @laseriedeladilophosaure9246
      @laseriedeladilophosaure9246 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812mais si on veut etre précis un tyrannosaurus rex qui mesure 15.25 m de longueur aurait une masse entre 16.5 - 17.5 tonnes voir 18 tonnes en se base sur sue

    • @laseriedeladilophosaure9246
      @laseriedeladilophosaure9246 5 місяців тому +2

      Donc 16 m pour 20 tonnes reste logique

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +5

      For real

    • @cool_kid19
      @cool_kid19 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812
      Hey I Watched Your Video If Real Life T Rex Was In Skull Island

  • @terrefeing9880
    @terrefeing9880 5 місяців тому +2

    Baryoreios (Bary = heavy, oreios = mountain) would be a cool name. Even if it isn't a Megatheropod

  • @Tarbtano
    @Tarbtano 5 місяців тому +7

    Gomez works. It's in the long tradition of giving giant theropods the most unintimidating names possible and I love that trend.

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +3

      Wise words, Dr. T!

    • @itande0551
      @itande0551 5 місяців тому

      Lol yeah, but no usually Brazil and Argentina give cool names to their dinosaurs, it's Chile the one that gives the most horrible names

  • @伊斯塔與艾蕾修卡都是
    @伊斯塔與艾蕾修卡都是 5 місяців тому +1

    1.Basically I am not convinced by the estimate that based on fragmentary material. Although if said creature was really a Carcharodontosaurid,I would like to name the species after Incan deities. It would more thrilling if the fragmentary material came from a Megaraptora.
    Edit:
    2. As some replies here wanted to name the dinosaur after Godzilla,I am curious about Vividen’s thoughts on Kenneth Carpenter’s thought experiment in 1998,in which he tried to classify Godzilla as some Abelisaur or Ceratosaur “Had Godzilla was a species of Theropod dinosaur.”

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 5 місяців тому +1

    it should be called Lustianisaurus after the fact that Portuguese is called lingua Lusitania in Latin, but also because of the giant ship called the Lusitania that is also the lesser known forgotten giant ship tragedy

  • @caramelodozapzap3816
    @caramelodozapzap3816 5 місяців тому +4

    Brazil mentioned.

  • @betofernandez5524
    @betofernandez5524 5 місяців тому +4

    T.Rex size is a bit of myth at this point, and I explain why. We have arround 35 well preserved adult T.Rex specimens, and the average weight is arround or even less than 6000kg. Why we are constantly using the 3-4 biggest ones (which are clearly massive comparing to the norm) to compare with other megaterophods? Does it make any sense?
    Yes, some of them were build like tanks, but the average T.Rex was not that big or bulky. If we take a common sized individual arround 11.5 metres and 6000 kilograms and we compare it with Giganotosaurus, which in my opinion should be considered as the biggest terophod known for now, we see that this one is only represented by one quite well preserved especimen, and a very fragmentary second one. Just taking into consideration the holotype, we have a ~12.4 metres carcharodontosaurid, at 7000+ kilograms.
    Probability says that most of the individuals of a given species are way closer to the average size than extreme sizes, so we can asume that size as normal for now, specially when the second individual could be 3-8% bigger.
    In biology you take the average size to determinate which animal is bigger. If we got 35 adult gigas, or Carchas, ot any other megaterophod is very likely some of them would reach really huge sizes...

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому

      Totally wrong or wrong "arguments"😂😂😂😂😂 the giganotosaurus carolinii bones structure(very graceful and flattened skull,
      Narrower neck, very narrower torso, narrower hips and narrower tail compared to tyrannosaurus rex bones structure is much more massive wider thicker heavier and robust.!!

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому +1

      "In my opinion" is your opinion.😂

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому +1

      "6000kg" is much more than that.😂😂😂😂

  • @SamuRhino2023
    @SamuRhino2023 5 місяців тому +1

    I doubt the 20 tones, especially since we don’t even freaking know what it is.🤣

  • @SonLucasX
    @SonLucasX 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm from Brazil and I live in the Northeast. It would be a great surprise that one of the largest known theropods lived here, unfortunately my country does not invest properly in paleontology field research, it is a shame.

  • @floflo1645
    @floflo1645 5 місяців тому

    Probably the only reason I watch these channels is because I know you are the kind of nerd that will directly take a look at the study and not just relay the click bait news from whatever garbage and clickbaity paleonews we usually get elsewhere.
    Thanks you for doing that.

  • @TyrannoWright
    @TyrannoWright 5 місяців тому +1

    For mere tail fragments, this is not a solid claim at all. Still funny to think a giant came out of Brazil of all places.

  • @kayamesagi5040
    @kayamesagi5040 5 місяців тому +1

    I would totally name it Savrasaurus (respective to the giant tail verterbrae discovered) its name meaning High vertebrae lizard

  • @antoniocenteno1483
    @antoniocenteno1483 5 місяців тому +1

    They should name it Neoedsonraptor Rex in honor to the king Pele. Sorry, could not resist.

  • @gabrielj6609
    @gabrielj6609 5 місяців тому +2

    We have to name it Bostilssaurus

  • @UlfOrGrimnir
    @UlfOrGrimnir 5 місяців тому +1

    Imagine what is buried in the untouched regions of south America

  • @joebrat6809
    @joebrat6809 5 місяців тому +1

    If it is indeed a carcharodontosaurid, I would guess it is in the same size range as Mapusaurus and Giganotosaurus, so probably a 40 foot animal. Massive, but not astronomically huge.

    • @monsterzero521
      @monsterzero521 3 місяці тому

      Probably bigger than both Mapusaurus & Giganotosaurus. So it's in the 50-55 ft range & 15+ tons

  • @charliejofficial
    @charliejofficial 5 місяців тому +1

    Doesn't Bahariasaurus have longer dorsal vertebrae than Sue as well so maybe it's similar to that?

  • @jkjk7423
    @jkjk7423 5 місяців тому

    Amazing. Someone on the server downsized this thing to just 6-7 tonnes, like, less than two days since this video came out 😂

  • @mateussousa1236
    @mateussousa1236 5 місяців тому +1

    I believe in the potential 16.8 meter length of this theropod, by calculation!

  • @Charlie-Charlot
    @Charlie-Charlot 5 місяців тому +1

    A theropod this size would only make sense if it was herbivorous or at least omnivorous like Deinocheirus, that’s i think the only possible way an animal this size could be sustainable, and that’s without addressing the possible limitations in terms of biomechanics

  • @Carcharia25
    @Carcharia25 5 місяців тому +2

    03:00 Maybe already discovered super gigantic Megaraptora from Anacleto Fm. I found some blogs about this specimen size 13.6m / 8.9t from the anterior dorsal vertebra (MCF-PVPH 418), And the largest Theropod footprint is 115cm from Bolivia 80 Ma.
    Both were probably the largest Theropods??? (maybe Megaraptora???).
    Can you recap this please (I'm not sure about that)
    Ref. in comments

    • @Carcharia25
      @Carcharia25 5 місяців тому

      [1] DeviantArt
      "Is the King of the Megaraptorans hidden among us?"
      [2] REVISITING THEROPOD MATERIAL FROM THE LATE CRETACEOUS NESTING SITE AUCA MAHUEVO AND THE POSSIBLE RECORD OF A GIANT MEGARAPTORAN
      [3] Nuevos dinosaurios terópodos de Auca Mahuevo,
      provincia del Neuquén (Cretácico tardío, Argentina)
      [4] Huge dinosaur footprint discovered in South America
      [5] The Late Cretaceous dinosaur track record of Bolivia - Review and perspective
      [6] DeviantArt The true giant megaraptoran

  • @atticination
    @atticination 5 місяців тому +1

    bro these ain't megatheropods anymore these supertheropods

  • @creakingskull7008
    @creakingskull7008 5 місяців тому +11

    My dream giant theropod would be a giant abelisaur with Carnotaurus-like horns (basically the carno from disney's dinosaur) and i would name it "Ceratomoloch Rex" or "Horned Demon King)

  • @luulasmene7786
    @luulasmene7786 4 місяці тому +1

    I live in the region, gotta start diggin'

  • @gsprojects8474
    @gsprojects8474 5 місяців тому

    Sad to see tons of fossils away from the Home Country... Like, this is one has been away and locked in a drawer forn 164 YEARS. The first ornithischian described in Brazil (or in South America) has been locked away for 118 Y E A R S. Ubirajara was just a start, and I wish that all of these fossils and historical artifacts (from Brazil or not) return home.

  • @Yanis-fl6nt
    @Yanis-fl6nt 5 місяців тому +1

    Spino giga t rex : who tfk are you

  • @vgrg7841
    @vgrg7841 5 місяців тому +3

    All hype. In a few years, it will be downsized. I
    Even so, it probably could not compete against t rex's massive bulk and muscle and forward binocular vision that uniquely only t rexes had.

  • @IAmTheLazermaN
    @IAmTheLazermaN 5 місяців тому

    Keeping in mind that the skeleton is fragmentary, I just love gigantic dinosaurs, both theropods and herbivores.

  • @Dell-ol6hb
    @Dell-ol6hb 5 місяців тому

    20 tons is almost certainly excessive, I imagine we’ll see the size estimates decrease over time as more material is found and described and more paleontologists weigh in. Still even with these excessive estimates this animal was definitely huge so it’d be exciting to see more information coming out.

  • @andersonoliveiramagalhaes1785
    @andersonoliveiramagalhaes1785 5 місяців тому +1

    As a brazilian i hope they name it ronaldinhosaurus

  • @PrehistoricMagazine
    @PrehistoricMagazine 5 місяців тому

    Did this new theropod live at the same time as tyrannotitan? Just curious. Mike

  • @SomeGuyandHisHerps
    @SomeGuyandHisHerps 5 місяців тому +19

    I don't find it super surprising if there were T. rex and beyond sized theropods throughout history, what with the size of some of their prey.
    Anyways I'd name it Jeff

  • @Lillspratt
    @Lillspratt 5 місяців тому +1

    Is this still availible? I want one

  • @thegaminggecko1212
    @thegaminggecko1212 5 місяців тому

    Hmmmm. I’m VERY skeptical. But it would be very interesting if a Theropod really did get that big.
    I have no clue how It would do anything though.

  • @CooperHudgins
    @CooperHudgins 5 місяців тому +8

    Disney’s Carnotaurus isn’t real, Disney’s Carnotaurus isn’t real, Disney’s Carnotaurus isn’t real…

  • @youcansendme-a-letter
    @youcansendme-a-letter 5 місяців тому +2

    3:40 What would I name a giant mega theropod? Megatron.

    • @Protest467
      @Protest467 5 місяців тому

      ua-cam.com/video/VZ9oUbhGmWI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared

  • @PrehistoricMagazine
    @PrehistoricMagazine 5 місяців тому

    If we were to pick a certain time period, does anyone have thoughts on what time in dinosaurs history would have produced the biggest theropod? Thx, Mike

  • @vincentx2850
    @vincentx2850 5 місяців тому +1

    This might be controversial, but the reason why we now think Tyrannosaurus is the heaviest is probably due to the fact that it has more numerous and more intact remains, and are better understood.

  • @aaronpanietz
    @aaronpanietz 3 місяці тому

    You sir caught yourself a wild follower! Don’t turn it over tho, they get really mad. At least that’s what Steve says

  • @sumirsookdeo9443
    @sumirsookdeo9443 5 місяців тому

    More carcharodontosaurid skeletons are yet to be found. Just like Tyranno and Spino specimens are being found.

  • @boyaaaaa2577
    @boyaaaaa2577 5 місяців тому

    If its really 20 tonnes, the first question everyone one should be asking is what tf this dino live with to need to grow this big

  • @Tyrannosaurus_rex.
    @Tyrannosaurus_rex. 5 місяців тому +1

    Thanks to this video my comment section is getting plagued by Tyrannosaurus haters using a 20 tonne theropod as a fact.💀

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому

      Oh dear. Clearly they ignored the multiple disclaimers saying that this specimen is unreliable 💀

    • @Tyrannosaurus_rex.
      @Tyrannosaurus_rex. 5 місяців тому

      @@TheVividen Yep, I really dislike the people who cherry pick information to support their arguments.

    • @Mr_Chubutensis
      @Mr_Chubutensis 3 місяці тому

      ​@@Tyrannosaurus_rex.Oh calm down Tyrannosauridae fanboy, perhaps the weight of this Carcharodontosauridae is only 8-9 tons, but there are still other Carcharodontosauridae that are still mysterious, for example the Carcharodontosauridae in Hasandong Formation and Thailand

    • @Steam537
      @Steam537 2 місяці тому

      @@Mr_Chubutensisstill probably the same size lol

  • @X-revolution
    @X-revolution 4 місяці тому +1

    If this dinosaur does become valid or they manage to find more fossils then Brasilventor would fit in for species

  • @thatpaleodude3769
    @thatpaleodude3769 5 місяців тому +1

    I think I might just stick with ma boi t.rex for the largest terestrial predator ever lol, 20 metric tons just seems a bit out of place, not even ambush hunting would work for that thicccc boi

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +1

      I agree--I strongly doubt that any predatory theropod could have reached that weight. Maybe something like Theri

  • @Drunkgg775
    @Drunkgg775 Місяць тому

    Damn it's scary

  • @gigamosaurts2513
    @gigamosaurts2513 5 місяців тому +2

    almost rival with ark giga?

    • @Steam537
      @Steam537 2 місяці тому +1

      Ark giga is like 40-60 tons I think

    • @gigamosaurts2513
      @gigamosaurts2513 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@Steam537so this was ark Rex or ark allosaurus ?

  • @rogeriopenna9014
    @rogeriopenna9014 Місяць тому

    As a biased Brazilian, I have proof (that I won´t disclose) that this was actually a 40 tons theropod, 25 meters in lenght. That could shoot lasers from his eyes.

    • @Mr_Chubutensis
      @Mr_Chubutensis 25 днів тому

      Lol it's not April mop 😂

    • @rogeriopenna9014
      @rogeriopenna9014 25 днів тому

      @@Mr_Chubutensis just being ironic about people competing about who is the biggest and baddest dinosaur.

    • @S.P.Q.Rrespublicas
      @S.P.Q.Rrespublicas 15 днів тому

      I’d also like to add that my sources state it could breathe fire aswell

    • @rogeriopenna9014
      @rogeriopenna9014 15 днів тому

      @@S.P.Q.Rrespublicas What does breathing fire even means? Inhaling or exhaling?

  • @norrislaitinen5011
    @norrislaitinen5011 5 місяців тому

    Best name I can think of would be Empronaughtos or Pharosori.

  • @noneed4sleep64
    @noneed4sleep64 5 місяців тому +2

    Calling it now, it’ll get downsized to about 12-13 meters, just like all the other huge carnivores.

  • @meepsurasrex4790
    @meepsurasrex4790 5 місяців тому

    100%, someone gonna mod this in the path of Titans, i am so supported of it

  • @wingedhussar1453
    @wingedhussar1453 5 місяців тому +2

    So does anyone have a number or percentage how many genus were only discovered prehistory. Seems like we've only discovered 50 % of genus and types of dinosaurs that lived since there were millions of years of change

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому +1

      Definitely the t rex is the largest terrestrial predator.

    • @wingedhussar1453
      @wingedhussar1453 5 місяців тому +1

      @@rodrigopinto6676 but if only half or even less then half of genus types of dinos were discovered then was it for sure biggest

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 5 місяців тому +1

      @wingedhussar1453 again t rex is the largest terrestrial predator

    • @wingedhussar1453
      @wingedhussar1453 5 місяців тому

      @qbgrindddd ok but thts like saying we have kodiak bears and polar bears and they are plentiful in the records and are biggest but yet couple thousand years ago we had the short faced bear that was much bigger. now were only talking thousands of years of a genus not millions where a biggger cast off therapod could have lived isolated just like the short faceed bear did. these uncommon dinos might not have ben discovered yet,.trex to me was like the brown kodiak bear of the dino world plentiful and abundant, at top of the food chain, but there were also short faced bears at same time and we cant just for 100 percent say that we know its ben all discovered

    • @wingedhussar1453
      @wingedhussar1453 5 місяців тому

      @qbgrindddd and so was short faced bear yet it died with either the ice age impact or becasue of competation from smaller animals. so whats to say there wasnt a small extinction event of a difrent kind that wiped out some dino bigger then trex that didnt live in america but south america for example.

  • @X-revolution
    @X-revolution Місяць тому

    Is this real? Another challenge for tyrannosaurus-rex

  • @Skedawg88
    @Skedawg88 5 місяців тому +1

    T-Rex will never be dethroned as all the others do not have forward facing eyes, such a massive head and teeth, not to mention the largest measured bite force of any land carnivore…. ever.

  • @Cael123CK
    @Cael123CK Місяць тому

    It should be fenrir, cuz its supposedly an oversized acro, and fenrir's an oversized wolf

  • @Rhinoxsaurus
    @Rhinoxsaurus 5 місяців тому

    Getting troodon flashbacks from this.

  • @Velocir4ptor875
    @Velocir4ptor875 4 місяці тому

    1:06 i think name brasilocarcharia should work

  • @ShadeMeadows
    @ShadeMeadows 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm not findin' articles 'bout this guy... can anyone link me some?
    Also... a Brazil dino that ISN'T the Irritator??

    • @simonecappiello3937
      @simonecappiello3937 5 місяців тому

      *about.

    • @ShadeMeadows
      @ShadeMeadows 5 місяців тому +2

      @simonecappiello3937 Nah, I'm pretty sure I'm askin' right.

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +1

      The original study is linked in the pinned comment. Measurements are in the supplementary material of the study

    • @ShadeMeadows
      @ShadeMeadows 5 місяців тому +2

      @@TheVividen How the heck did I miss THAT??
      Thanks a lot!

    • @TheVividen
      @TheVividen  5 місяців тому +1

      @@ShadeMeadows You're welcome!

  • @znalniaskas
    @znalniaskas 5 місяців тому +1

    Potential +20 tons? That's a thick one, they might call him Bundasaurus!

  • @gecko-saurus
    @gecko-saurus 5 місяців тому

    We'd likely have more information if it weren't for the greatest abomination on Earth: fossil poaching.
    Fossil poaching in Brazil is a common occurrence. We wouldn't evdn know about Irritator if it wasn't purchased from illegal dealers.

  • @universodolucas6023
    @universodolucas6023 5 місяців тому +15

    Wait a minute, its not april fools...BORA CAMBADA!! GANHAMO ESSA PORRAAA, É TETRA É TETRA

  • @kaidoaboveakainu.622
    @kaidoaboveakainu.622 5 місяців тому

    What about the height ? Can we also try to estimate it ?

  • @koutaXkaede
    @koutaXkaede 5 місяців тому

    When Brazil comes to you

  • @danilocastro3109
    @danilocastro3109 5 місяців тому

    New godzilla movie released and we got a 40 meters ichthyosaurus and a 20 tons theropod. A 15 meters snake on india. Da hell happend?

  • @MicrowaveMan-gy9nu
    @MicrowaveMan-gy9nu 5 місяців тому +1

    imagine if it was 20 tons but also only a juvenile. (not to be taken seriously, it is definitely getting downsized.)

  • @Raithial
    @Raithial 5 місяців тому

    ohhh boy, here we go again, watch this creature get hyped until T.rex comes out on top in a few/years time, due to bite-force or stuff like that

  • @V1ncenz010
    @V1ncenz010 5 місяців тому +3

    BORRAAAAA PORRAAAAAAAAA UHUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

  • @rappar9673
    @rappar9673 5 місяців тому

    Two words: one bone.