Documentary Filmmaking: Process of a Pro Editor
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The editor of the Oscar-nominated documentary "The Square" takes us through his process. Do you want to learn how to start any edit like feature film and documentary editors do it? Please visit: www.secretedit...
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Mohamed El Manasterly is one of the Emmy Winning editors of "The Square". This 2013 Egyptian-American documentary film by Jehane Noujaim depicts the ongoing Egyptian Crisis until 2013, starting with the Egyptian Revolution of 2011 at Tahrir Square. The film was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 86th Academy Awards. It also won three Emmy Awards at the 66th Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards, out of four for which it was nominated.
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I walk through a very similar process for my story edits and I landed on that process out of necessity. Watching this is very validating, feels like we're all on the right track.
Glad to read that you see similarities between your process and Micho's
Same for me here :)
Didn’t watch the Film yet, it’s very heartbreaking for me as an Egyptian and participated in the revolution to even watch those couple of minutes you showed. But it’s very overwhelming to see the passionate crew behind it. Thank you
I've been lucky enough to work with a BAFTA nominated documentary editor and it's very interesting to see how he follows an almost identical work flow, except he uses actual paper index cards instead of Trello.
I've used Trello for managing other projects but never thought of using it for my doc. Now I'm considering it.
Thank you for writing it out I couldn't make out the name of the app/program lol
There’s now an amazing website called milanote that’s like trello on steroids and is absolutely golden in my editing workflow
A documentary, about a documentary...bravo.
And here we learn that editing is not just about cuts, transitions & effects. Glad to discover your channel...
This is probably one of the best documentary editing BTS that I’ve seen before! Thank you all so much for sharing!
I m only at minute 8, but I want to say it before I forget it : this was easily one of the most informative videos I have watched on youtube, period. thanks a lot @Sven for making it and @Mohamed for sharing your knowledge. you're really helping us out here. one love from Germany.
Thank you so much for doing this video! I've been planning on shooting a documentary for almost a year now, and was really worried about the editing process, I love editing but have no idea where to begin, learned a lot of great tips and I might finally get started on this!
The square is one of those few movies where I literally was balling by the end, I think the editing had a lot to do with it.
I've seen this 4 times now and his advice on organisation is incredibly helpful. It's something I resisted since I started editing, but after gaining a little experience and especially after seeing this, it was apparent that it's more than that. Character arcs, themes and big ideas all begin to reveal themselves, as well as the structure and the rhythm of the film. It gives you the ability to fully immerse yourself in the content and the characters before you even make the first cut. Someone who understands a story well can tell it well, and I think that's what separates good films from not so good one's. The ability to captivate an audience depends not just on the content, but how you communicate that content. Organisation helps you do exactly that. Well, that's my take away anyway. Amazing video, thank you so much.
Sven, thank you so much for the suggestion, this is now in my file of Editing and Documentary Video links. I learned alot and I will be watching it again to make sure i get it all. Thank you thank you thank you.
"So you're muting the tracks that we're not playing?"
- "I'm soloing the tracks that we're playing."
Two types of editors :D
I can so can relate to what he says about editing. "Just look at it and it gives you ideas". "Bird eye view" ... Thanks for this great video - Cuts and presentation was VERY entertaining and engaging! 🙂
Best BTS on doc editing I've seen, and I've been in the game for awhile. You can never learn enough! Thanks.
Thank you..this has revolutionised the whole way I think about organising all my media...the idea about sorting using Timelines/Sequences and Select bins is great...trying this now for a brand new big project. Thanks!
Editing a 30min documentary. I'm doing it for a year ALREADY, it's so painful yet so rewarding to see a scene come together.
Great piece, He uses any & all Nle’s. He’s a true editor.
Insightful! I just shot my first documentary and I'm about to start editing it, it'll be a journey!
This is a gem. Thanks!
This is an incredible episode, thank you so much for this! Super helpful as I move into Feature Length Documentary work!
Started the assembly cut of the first Documentary I've ever worked on using similar structure. 100Hrs of raw footage is now down to 10. But I'll be damned if it isn't a headache trying to make that 10 hours into a smooth flowing 2.
Great video. Thanks for sharing this behind-the-scenes look.
Book marking this! Need to come back and watch this a few times soon!
Very beautiful episode, thank you for sharing your work. I love the square. I usually work with a written script. I prefer to listen and write down things, it goes deeper in understanding the words. Even if I do the editing myself.
Bro make new version, this is epic.. 🙏
This is a phenomenal insight, incredibly put together in it's own right too.
Thank you!
This is EXACTLY the kind of info I was looking for.. thanks for the great insight!
Great advice especially on the staying organized steps.
This really helped me dig myself out of an editing hole. Thank you so much for sharing this valuable knowledge.
this video is a gift for me, thanks a lots.
Haven't watched this yet. But I bet this will be extremely useful for me!
So interesting watching pros workflow...you are one of my favourite channels if not the favourite channel on UA-cam 👏👏👍👍
It’s good seeing final cut legacy in action.
Such an informative and helpful video - almost wish it was a lot longer but it was definitely packed with enough practical nuggets to get me on the right track to start editing my doc. Thank you!
Great video man, keep up the great work!
I just tried Trello for the documentary I’m currently editing. Such a powerful tool. I hate the physical board, because it’s so time consuming to move around photos and post-its. You almost become afraid of new ideas for structure, because you know that you have to spend a lot of time fiddling around. Not a very organic process. Something like Trello lets you stay 100% in creative mode. It’s also less time consuming than moving scenes around on your timeline. But I would really like to know more about how he uses this app. Seems like you have more footage of him explaining his method that you cut out..?
Outstanding - thank you xx
Am here again and am loving and enjoying this video
If ever I were to make anything, it would be a documentary, so this was nice to see. Thank you for making these.
Good information that makes perfect sense. The ads that appear mid sentence are very annoying though. I know that isn't your fault.
canturgan It is, actually. UA-cam allows you to choose the number of mid-roll ads and precisely what time they appear. He either picked a random place in the video or just couldn't find a better spot.
Thank you for this! The Square is one of my fav documentaries!
Love your channel. I'm learning a lot. Thanks.
Love this video and his process! Thank you for putting this together.
I love this video. I just got the inspiration to begin shooting a documentary and I'm gearing up for it and starting to research how to prepare for the project. I appreciate all the great insights in this video, and I just ordered Jacob Bricca's book. Thanks, Sven!
Thank you so much for this!
Unique piece of content!
Sick video. Full o' gold. I also feel like a noob now
Awesome story. I would love to see more on the steps to properly set up the project folder, name conventions, the process of creating dailies, etc. Could anyone help with this?
Really great stuff! I love your channel and your topics. I'm looking forward to the next videos!
Great Video. Very informative!
Your content is really really, interesting man.🙂
Wow! I looooved this video! So informative. I am trying to get into film, even though I studied drama, and not sure what exactly I want to do in film. This really inspired me! x
absolutely excellent video and insights. bravo
I love Trello too. Whatever the new 'young' production houses say, avid still beats Pr for story driven long project stuff.
Wonderful reason I have been a Patreon of your from the beginning Sven
Nice. Trying to get you a little more company :)
Best video yet
Perfect! I love your stuff and always eager to learn for our travelchannel! Thank you, hopefully you have an amazing day!
Great content. Helpful information! I want to watch the rest of the content on Patreon.
Great info from a award winning professional!
This was so helpful, thank you!
Damn, I've been organizing my footage all wrong. I just create different bins for all the different cameras I used (Cam 1, Cam 2, Cam 3, GoPro, etc). Then I place Themed B-Roll in their own bins and interviews from selected persons in their own bins, but this guy is amazing with his set up. Everything from Topics in the interview to parts of the city. Seems like a lot of admin to do before you actually get into editing.
Great video, lots of great input.
This is fantastic!
I was using Trello for a year now for project management. I never taught of using it for taking notes
Love you mate) Just saw my "Boryapavlov")
Awesome!
That was great. Makes me want to do a much better job of logging my footage better, so I can spend less time watching and re-watching clips to know what to grab. Thanks!
Nice to see someone on Avid LOL. I felt lonely out here. This is great info, thanks so much.
Great video, but I was also wondering what the name of the FONT is used in the thumbnail? It looks great too!
Very insightful thank you
I love these videos!! 😎
Habibi I love this Thank you
awesome video
This was really well done and the best source I could find for this info! I wish this went a little bit deeper into the organization part. Is there a resource you would recommend? Most only touch the high-level organizational concepts, I'd like to see how someone organized all of their selects and sequences and metadata for a documentary. I am at this stage and as you might imagine I don't want to waste a lot of time with a poor workflow. I could waste hours and hours at this point tagging things I will never use or setting things up in a structure that isn't all that helpful.
Anyway, if you have any recommendations I would really appreciate it. I trust your opinion and experience here. Jacob Bricca's book has been my primary guide in making my first documentary film at your recommendation, so thanks for that and all the other great content you've put out. You're one of the few who go below the surface concepts and into what doing the work actually looks like!
has the book been helpful to your editing?
Absolutely it has. I still reference it constantly when planning or editing. It’s always by my desk. It gave me a workflow that works so I didn’t have to labor over one, which is good because I can kill a lot of time in endless planning!
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thanks a lot for making these videos man, public service dude hope god pays you!
I edited a 15 minute documentary once. It was exactly THIS painful, only shorter.
Gordo Cabrón Ikr. I edited a 1:15 hour documentary and was like a month non stop editing from 8am to 10-11pm. It wasn't as dynamic as this one but it was very painful to edit. Also I'd like to watch your documentary. How can I watch it?
@@Mora-tp1rl It was for a company, so it can't be published by me. Sorry :(
Gordo Cabrón Oh I see. Thank you
So you guys didn't enjoy it? Because I'd love to edit a documentary one day
I've been doing online video for a while. I am a completely self taught, total amateur. I'm trying to create mini-documentaries of my various cycling adventures and experiences. Constantly trying to learn and improve. I would love some constructive feedback on this one for example: ua-cam.com/video/OQSk16czVIU/v-deo.html
Thank you!
What is the name of the Forgottonia Chicago documentary? Was it ever released? Thank you
Hey Sven wie wärs mal mit einen Video über deinen Werdegang hin zum American Film Institute? Würde mich sehr interessieren
Great video man! I have a question. I've recently decided to get into editing for a career path, after years of thinking about it whilst being stuck in a soul destroying office job. My plan is to purchase a decent filming camera, for around £1000 or a bit more. And I'll start putting together some videos for free to build up a portfolio, as well as working on solo projects, like a tourism advert for my home city, some short films etc. Luckily I have a lot of creative friends and a few connections so I'm sure I'll have no shortage of things to shoot and edit. Once I have a decent body of work I plan to get onto freelancing websites as well as reaching out to people advertising the need for a video editor, maybe even offering to do jobs for less than they're offering in order to get my foot in the door and get some positive reviews.
Does this sound like a good path to take? I'm hoping this will be possible without a degree as I am just teaching myself online and doing a lot of research and note taking. Thanks
Soonn🔥🔥😈
What are the benefits of cutting with a tablet?
7:14 FC7 4ever
Wow
Another gold nugget. 👍
That’s Avid correct?
Has it been removed from Netflix? I can't see it. Can anyone tell me if it's available in your country ( Live in France ).
it works in the U.S., someone else might hold the rights for the release in France
And where is Morsi now?)
I watched the Square but it was only a bunch of people talking swedish.
Mostly people talking Danish actually, main character is Danish.
Such a big dissapointment for a Palme d'Or
Who said the academy awards or Cannes were a good measure of quality or importance?
@@sachamht totally agree.
lkhassissi l5ayin
So are u about to say that Muslim brotherhood are better then Mubarak?
No.
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Just want to comment this was incredibly inspiring. It helped me to get unstuck in editing my music documentary...
Awesome!!!
This is why I love your channel. You not only inform and educate, but you clearly convey the power and importance of editing itself.
Regarding documentaries, I have the highest respect for those who edit them. It’s one thing to cover an individual in a documentary. But, to cover an entire movement of historical importance, like The Square, must have been a truly daunting experience. Now, I have to go watch it. Great content, Sven.
VFX Todd Az
I've been lucky enough to score a few Oscar Nominated Doc's and this was great!!!! Editor's are often the heros of a great doc!
I love these kinda style of videos, its a really big help to hear straight from industry and get an insight on some of the techniques they use! I know it must be hard finding people to do these videos for you but they are a massive help and you should keep doing them!
God, he has an Emmy! 🥺 I remember this and how fast everything was moving and changing, the use of streamed multimedia and social media to journalise what was rolling out as it happened. Really amazing.
" I start realizing big ideas. What is the best character we have? What is the most charismatic?". Every story told on a screen is nothing but an embellished perspective. TELL-A-VISION
It's a good video but it's lacking pre, post and during production