The Theory of Editing
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►Thelma Schoonmaker interview - • Wolf of Wall Street's ...
►Hitchcock on Tension - • Alfred Hitchcock On Ma...
►Murch on the Rule of 6 - • Walter Murch: On Editing
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» 0:00 - Intro
» 0:52 - Editing challenge
» 2:13 - Thelma Schoonmaker on Goodfellas
» 3:15 - Kuleshov effect
» 5:27 - Hitchcock on tension
» 7:13 - Walter Murch Rule of 6
» 9:51 - My mistake
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one of My favorite idioms: "you make a movie three times...the one you write, the one you shoot, and the one you edit."
I like that!
So real💯
I forgot who I heard say this but it goes: “Production is the price you pay to get to the editing room”
NEVER EDIT WHEN:
•Tired
•Frustrated
•Sick
•At war with a headache
•Drunk
•On a date
•When a film riot episode drops (simply pause and watch the video, then continue)
Did I miss any?
Well then…when do I edit lol?
You’re gonna get me fired with those suggestions. 😆
@@NLENinjaEffects there’s actually quite the amount missing from this list, it can’t be that tight of a squeeze.
you can break all rules except last one ;)
@@pavelstolypin honestly why have rules if they’d never be broken anyways 🤷♂️
Your videos teach a whole generation of filmmakers who don’t necessarily have the possibility to go to a filmschool but still want to make videos. The world already has so much more better movies, thanks to you! :D Keep it up.
This comment means a lot to us. Thank you so much!
There hasn’t been a good film in a couple of decades
@@totallybored5526 I don't necessarily agree in the sense that there hasn't been a good film in the past couple of decades.
There have been good films, but non of them really made me go "wow".
Love how you put it all out there and aren't afraid to point out when you missed the mark in one of your short films. It's very impactful for those watching and super helpful. Bravo!
Agreed! Love the transparency and willingness of Ryan to critique his own work and share the lessons he's learned throughout his journey.
A great example of using the kuleshov effect against the audience for tension is in silence of the lambs when cutting between the officers outside a house and cutting to inside of Buffalo bills house. The reveal that it’s clarice is something I wish I could see for the first time again. So good.
That's a great one.
You cannot break the rules in a meaningful, artistic way until you know the rules.
Amen. If you do it on accident, then it’s just an … accident lol
Thats what i am trying ti tell my anime weeb friend. She goes straight for anime characters and it looks so wack. The chins is too high the neck is too long the head is tio small the shading is bad the stylization looks off the eyes are too big the head orientation looks like he got kicked by a cat and fell into a river and a boat ran over the neck and it just looks, b a d
@@dyfx9788 leave her be, let her hone her own skills. We all have to start somewhere. When i was starting out for years i was drawing horrendously bad anime and powerpuff girls. But now i can draw pretty damn well, different styles different characters all of it. Let her develop her skills in her own time in her own way without judgement (or going on the internet to diss her art and call her a weeb). I had friends like you back then, im not in contact with them anymore. Exactly for the reason that they were always pushing me or judging me, silently or verbally. And it didnt help me get better, it just hurt my feelings. Their job was to be my friend, not my art teacher. She may not even be drawing to imrpove her skills, you dont have to be good at something to enjoy doing it. Focus on being kind to her, not trying to guide her skills 💕
@@robynwilson9227 well i would agree but the problen is she always seeks advice and feedback. And wheb she does we all give feedback but she gets offended when we give feedback. So we have just resorted to saying "thats great" and by we i mean the entire class
Whats the point of seeking advice when at the end you are jist going to ignore it
Also ps
She also calls herself a weeb so its no biggie
Great video guys ! Editing is so crazy important, I love knowing how I’ll be editing the shot while I’m shooting the shot.
Boss, your videos too are dope
Love you guys.
This is Sidney, I love shooting the shot as I'm thinking of the editing style 😂
Yaaayyy cinecom!!!
Always happy to see conversations around the editing artform. Cheers, Ryan!
I am binge watching your channel right now. this is undoubtable the best source on UA-cam right now. Magnificent.
I just imagined what a meeting with Alfred Hitchcock could feel like, he could teach you in a entire day more about movies than in your entire career!!
I like Hitchcock's story of the bomb under the table. By showing the bomb, any shock when the bomb goes off is gone, but there's a hell of a lot of suspense leading up to the bomb going off.
Fantastic video! I honestly can't get enough of different editing perspectives like this. Great content.
Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking about your mistakes when on your own filmmaking journey. I love your honesty and authenticity, cheers!
Using that example of where your eyes are and your short film was really good.
Most important advice really is " Write. Shoot. Edit. Repeat. ", because at some point all those tips and theories become second nature to you and you don't think of them. But when reviewing your work, you notice you're including them or at least thinking about them in some way. You don't think " I'll do the 180 rule here becase this and that ", you think " I'll put the camera here because that's where it should go. That's where it feels like it should be. "
THANK YOU for putting this video together. Clear, concise, informative, great context too. Instant follow!
So excited for this!! Love your videos :)
I actually like the cut you used for There Comes a Knocking. My eye traces to the other side of the screen for a tiny moment of realization. It makes the moment feel like I found the visual info in contrast to having it handed to me.
Oh man, that's pure gold... Thanks Ryan!
Excellent video as it puts it into perspective and lining up all the pieces of the film into superb compositions and dynamics that make it your own.
Great to see Hitchcok and the theories of other editors.
Thankyou this video was really great, loved to see examples alongside your explanations
Always premium content from your crew. Greatly appreciate all of the hard work. Salud.
Thank you! It's nice to put terms to the things I'm learning.
Amazing that this content is free. Fantastic. Been a fan since Rev3. 👍
Amazing video! Thank you for putting together. Learned a lot.
Another great video. I've learned a lot from you, Ryan. Thanks a lot man.
awesome content. these editing tips are gold
Editing is truly an art form. Really great video, with some super important tips for anyone who joins the #AGeditchallenge 💛
There is a great episode from "Every Frame A Painting" (sadly their channel is discontinued) but the episode "How does an editor feel" is so good. Sometimes not making a cut is a good thing. Loved this Riot episode!
Thank you so much man for recommending that channel
ua-cam.com/video/3Q3eITC01Fg/v-deo.html looks interesting
Great job, super clean and direct information.
MY goodness. This is GOLD! TY!!
Thank you so much for the awesome content!
Thank You Ryan, this was some really useful tips within a 10 minutes video ❤
This was a great video! Thanks for democratizing filmmaking education -- I don't know if I'd be a filmmaker today if I hadn't grown up watching your videos Ryan. To you, Josh, Emily -- the whole gang -- thank you!
This contest is exciting!
Thank you so much for this video😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️
Great video, thank you !!!
Very important stuff here. Thank you!
thanks, hope we will try it.
I got the email for the contest yesterday. I expect to not win but I'm definitely going to enter for the experience and I have an idea in marinating. I am really addicted to the feeling when the edit just... works.
Wow ... so much information this is gold
It's more like living your life easier than digging the ground looking for gold and silver . I love editing guys and shout out to Rayn and everyone out there.
Thank you dude!
Great video, thanks!
Thanks for describing the contest
I've never been so aware of each syllable in the word "Editing" before.
Excellent resource. Just keep getting better and better 😜
I always learn everything from you sir ryan. From the philippines, its so useful as a filmmaker student❤️
I appreciate it that you use your own short film as an example to show the mistake that youve done
I fucking love the videos you guys produce. I always learn so much!
Thanks man!
Thank you much learned from this video. Learned one of my cuts in a project is breaking the 180 rule. Thank you 😌
great content as always.
I love you Ryan, I literally make a living because of you!
Amazing, I’ve never thought about anything like this. I’m new to it. Now I’m gonna go watch a history of violence again and pay attention to the cuts.
Great video mate, learnt a tonne 👊
This was very helpful.
Thanks.
I feel anger cause the video finished! Thank you so much, man. You’re a school, a good one! Currently preparing to shoot a short film, so this comes from heaven! 🙏
love it!
this was so gooood!
regarding your "mistake" - I would argue that it's beneficial in a way. In my opinion, its scarier to first see something in the corner of your eye rather than have it pop in front of you.
Yeah I agree to this. I guess it just comes to preference of what was the intention. I do believe that in horror watching the scary thing in the corner of the view of attention works often. Though of course sometimes confronting suddenly an unexpected image can be scary even if it isn’t (we all have been had that kind of scare by someone walking in front of us all of the sudden).
Thank youu very much....
Wow, what a video! Amazing! :)
Ooh sweet, I might give that competition a go :)
I love your t-shirt as much as I love that movie! 🙌🏻
Greatly said!
This is where the film is really made! Often, what comes out of the editing room can be different than what what was first envisioned. In editing, you get to see what really does and does not work.
Yes. As an actor I never took it to heart if a scene got cut. It may not have been the performance at all.
I LOVE this! I have video editing job interview in few days, this should help me :)
I really love film riot but one thing I would really love to hear about that many people don’t teach is how to actually find financing for a film. It is such a private topic that I wish would be explored, especially by the lovely film riot!
They dive into this quite a bit with a few different people. Check out the podcast and you’ll find some really helpful information about getting films off the ground. There’s always a different pathway and there’s for sure not one specific way to get your movie financed, but they’ve had plenty of new directors talking about how they got their films made.
@@nightmarefilmcrew well I completely understand but I would like a deep dive into it. Like going through a screenplay and figuring out numbers to even make a budget. Then how do you present that to a potential investor. What resources are out there to assist in this? I understand that it is not a one way thing but I know very little in this very important topic
I like what you did with the title. ;-)
thank you
Just: YES!
understood the editing today
I'd love to see you guys do a bit on 1980's slasher style practical gore fx
Don't know how i missed this one but great video! I live in the DFW area, if ya'll ever need PAs please lemme know!
It's been a while!
10:00 I’m not sure about what it is better. I think some times you want the audience searching for the next focus point, so they are part of the action instead of “lazy viewers”. In horror you sometimes want for sure the audience to watch something but maybe you want that they “almost miss it”/“what was that”/“wait, there is something in the other side of the screen”.
If the intent is to have your audience search the screen, then yes. But that's the idea behind it all, doing these things (or not) for purposeful, instead of accidental, end results. With Fury Road, it's not a lazy viewer thing, I don't think it ever is... But in that case specifically - the rate at which he wanted to cut required facilitating the audience to absorb information quickly. It's just a matter of understanding how the brain works and utilizing that to tell your story. The goal is to use craft to tell your story with intention.
@@filmriot yeah I think it makes sense in Fury road but I think breaking a rule of keeping the focus in one place pays off, though it has be done carefully. It’s a good scene but in other action sequences you can make travel where the focus point is, it is just has to be done within the shot and keep it during the cut, no jumps between cuts so people can follow focus even it if it moves from one place in the screen to the other… I feel that way can make the audience feel part of the action while not losing their view. I’m pro it being a little less passive.
@@filmriot a very interesting IMO use for keeping the focus in one spot during one sequence I imagine is to hide something else happenings that will be revealed later but we want to give audience a chance to maybe figure it out sooner.
Love this
Thanks so much 🎩👒🎞️
About the contest, it just hit my mind that artgrid and artlist is maybe holding the contest to get a look at workflow breakdowns and editing outputs of different editors because maybe they are working on an artificial intelligence and they need data input variance to feed this new beast
this is becoming so real rn
So very glad for the Hawking reference. And... wow, I so need to grab editing software, lol.
Mto bom!
Watching this video on September 22nd is a massive bummer lol.
One of my favorites channel can give easier informations that you might take years to learn it ❤
You guys should try doing a short film with "Corridor Digital" would be cool to see a collab.
The job of a film director is to tell the story through the juxtaposition of uninflected images.
-David Mamet
Betcha Walter Murch's Rule of 6 is on this.
Couldn't be a coincidence that i was skimming thru their sites for hours looking for a concept and got a terrible headachce because i was at war of what should take the lead...Good music then ideas after or initial ideas and looking for the music to match....Currently trying to finish a job, try out for a sidemen editing contest to seeif i can win twice in a row and also attempt this artgridXartlist one and its driving me crazy😭😂
The best editor ever is that lady from "Hail, Caesar"
Yes but David Lean said that if you want to shock an audience, get them almost to the point of boredom before you do. Hence Omar Sharif’s arrival at the well.
I haven't seen your short yet, so there's no context in terms of story, rythm or sound when you showed that last shot of the ghost. But from what I saw, I think it's actually scarier if the audience doesn't immediately see the ghost. I think it's creepier if you get that half a second of "Oh shit, I didn't see that!", so I like the way you shot and edited that scare. That being said, I haven't seen the movie so the only context I have is the clip you showed here.
An editor edited this edit about editing
That was great fun! tHanks. I accidentally made a great Eye Trace in a video I posted. I loved it...the subject became the transition and not some fancy page turn or blur. It was dumb luck but after you shared your tips with this video I can include ideas in future videos.
( PS My videos barely scratch their way off the "boring meter", Don't waste your YouTubing on my channel).
Seth and Hashi loves Ryan and so do we the #ChillGang
Those film burns you use for transitions. Are they in Artgrid?.
What movie is the clip from that's shown at 7:19?
love u
The ending sounds like Turnaround by Gemini for a sec
where can I see the winners?