What is Passive Influence?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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In this video, Silver talks about how passive influence can present, why it shouldn't be scary, and why it's different than schizophrenia!
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I’m often doubting my headmates because most of the time I can only tell they’re there by passive influence.. switches only fully happen like once every month
That's so valid! One of our close system friends has very similar experiences - they only switch a few times a month and have a lot of passive influence :)
this happens to me too! i'm happy to see that i'm not alone.
It's a huge ongoing struggle to figure ourselves out and we keep forgetting that passive influence is a thing that exists and makes it even harder >_
Me and my protector were watching this, and we related to so many things. We were nodding along the whole time lol. - April and Logan
Thought withdrawal is so annoying during therapy! I have so many things to say but I can't remember any of them until I walk outside because my alters still don't trust the therapist enough 😭 💖
Passive influence is uncomfortable, especially when it's a persecutor or a little because then I have to try and fight them off before I do something that hurts someone/looks odd to the public.
Some helpful tips that we've used for getting through that is chatting with your system! Try to find out why they don't trust your therapist and if there's anything you can do to make them feel more at ease, or whether their reasons are correct and you should find a new one. Also, writing things down and showing them to the therapist has been helpful for us!
@@TheRingsSystem thank you so much!!!
Middle persecutors fronting is the most embarassing and difficult to handle socially for us. So stubborn (and co-con right now🙄)
This video is so helpful. You essentially described a typical day for me and my alters. One of my common speech insertions is ‘sorry’. People who know me well know it is an alter. I still don’t know which one. The skill withdrawal was scary for me one day before I was diagnosed when I was driving home. Luckily, I was very close to home when I could no longer press the gas pedal. I ended up rolling home. Once diagnosed I realized it was one of my younger ones who could not reach the pedal. After that I did not drive the car for more than 2 years out of fear it would happen again. I now know when I can drive and when I can’t. My father still has a problem understanding this. The other skill withdrawal that I experienced once was my inability to think and speak in French. I am bilingual. I was surprised when it occurred and then realized It was a younger alter who had not yet learned French. So helpful. Thank you.
We're new at being a system, passive influence makes it so hard to figure out who is who and we mostly only notice switches looking back after they've happened... but this video is helping us (or at least me) understand and help our alters distinguish themselves from the host who, for the most part, everyone thought they were. The emotional attribution rings most true. There are specific alters in our system who serve the purpose of feeling emotions that I as the host cannot express safely. It's like they're still my feelings but I can't feel them anymore because it's not safe and it would ruin my life and my relationships, so I have specific alters to contain said emotions. I didn't know if this was normal of if I was somehow personifying my emotions, but this video helped me realize they're alters and I'm not just crazy. Thank you so much!
I’m so glad it was so helpful for y’all ❤️💕
I've just started looking into osdd-1b and I (we???) have had a really similar experience with trying to figure out if it's just a personified emotion or if it's a fragment or a fragment that's becoming an alter or what but yeah I appreciate that you shared this and I relate
ohhh this makes sense of so many things!
like how today I was dissociating and i wanted to let people around me know, but i couldn't physically speak... it took me about half an hour to finally be able to speak again!
Our emotional protectors love to take emotions from me, the host
Hehe, they're very good at that
The fact that i think our host passively influenced me to watch this so he can watch it from the observing room without having to come to front 😃
But it was an interesting video, i felt really identified wth it, now ik whenever im feeling strange its just one of those idiots (not negative) messing wth my brain
-Drew (main protector)
Edit: host here, yes i did 😂
Aaand we just lost the heart TwT
INTRUSIVE ACTIONS SENT ME
I once I was talking with someone in my head I don't want to say alter because im not sure I have osdd but we were kinda arguing, more like I was chill and he got mad and I threw a cup I was holding for literally no reason and we had a conversation be like
Me:... What was that?
Him: got really mad, sorry
Me: don't do that again
I literally feel so weird, like I know I wrote this, but I feel like it wasn't me
Haha, yeah! It's pretty wild :)
Omg thought and speech withdrawal is the bane of my existence
Okay, I think I understand this a little better now... my system is prone to "snap switches" but it's only passive influence if the person who is fronting REMAINS at the front, right? If you can tell it's still you but your behavior has changed somehow? - Cub
Yes! Person A remains at front the whole time, but parts of alter B are intruding on person A and it feels weird, even though you’re still at the front and it’s still you :)
This is my life...my goodness, how do I even begin communicating with everybody around??? I want to understand so bad, but it scares me so much to find out what and who is inside...😕
Write down some notes in obvious places! Little things like "Hey, if you don't remember writing this/you feel like it wasn't you who wrote this, please write something back down here!" and leave a little space!
the amount of times i leave notes to myself like “this thing happens to me, i dont know why, and i dont really know how to explain it or if anyone else experiences anything familiar so i dont know how to explain” and then i see one of these videos and theyre like Oh that happens all the time actually thats quite normal im always so shocked ??? i feel like i am learning so much about things i already knew
thank you for making these videos. it's been very hard for me to find info from an OSDD experience, (most of the time when OSDD is talked about it's just a footnote in a DID video from a DID perspective, or basic DSM-V symptom listings) and it's incredibly cathartic just to see Silver explaining something that hits so close to home. i thought i was alone with skill withdrawal and so many other things. it's such a relief to hear someone talk about it.
❤️❤️❤️ I’m so glad we could help
We experience this a lot which can making getting to know each other difficult and makes life more unpredictable but at least now why have a reason for our "strange" behaviour, this video was very helpful, thank you for everything
i recently talked to a friend with schoziphrenia and she has people she talks to much like how did works, but she has looked into each and has considered it schizophrenia. i really appreciate the end bit to describe the difference!!
this is making my life easier figuring out whether i am a system or not. i often say things i did not even THINK OF and they are quite offensive sometimes oops hahah AT ALL! you are so helpful!! thank you so much! there is also speech withdrawal, also mostly in social situations. i get emotions that aren't mine that REALLY CONFUSES ME!!!! i am in such denial of this, and you are so so so helpful i'm gonna CRY! i was feeling so helpless and desperate for an answer whether we are a system or not. thankyouthankyouthankyou
Host and co-host watching this and we get the intrusive emotions quite a bit!! We don't have as much amnesia between us as we do with most others in the system so we tend to passively influence each other's emotions more often than we want. -V/S & MV
This is awesome Silver - i was just talking to my husband yesterday about someone being angry all the time, and that it comes out at the most unexpected times - it's a difficult thing because i'm sure i am not the only person wit DID that was not allowed to express emotion when young. So -how do i address it with out further-triggering and trauma. Also i just watched a doctor of a DID clinic talk about that DID is not a personality disorder - nor in his opinion a mental illness -because it is natural for the brain to dissociate to keep safe. And the skill set available is fantastic when communication bring positive coping . Something i have always considered.
We have an alter, who has a sociophobia, and when we try to meet someone, he can forbid us to do it. And sooo, that's why we have only several friends, this alter can't let us be sociable... Help... What can we do with it... We need more friends...
I think sitting down and talking with the alter about this, and why it's important to you would be helpful! Grounding in the moment, and acknowledging his anxiety is important 💕
I'd like to add "intrusive re-actions"...
And the texting thing is literally every day with us lol
Thank you! We experienced this today, and we are just learning about it.😊
this is exactly what happened to us yesterday. i (the host) was fronting and getting ready for a day out. and then our alter, willow became co-con and she fronted changing our hair and everything. then i came back to the front but i still found willow still had influence on what we wore, etc. it was extremely weird, since i am a trans guy and willow is female... she painted the bodies nails 😳
I just want to share my experience as I begin to question if I am dealing with this kind of thing. I can only really put my finger on a few times where i might be switching: I will be all productive and excited about my day then I hit a wall when its like something in me doesn't feel safe with joy/safety/living a normal life...I get pulled into this place of, yup, a kind of weird dissociative spiral-y place where I can not think straight or be functional in the tasks I was intending. I feel all sorts of freeze response stuffs and I can't snap out of it, I kinda have to slow all the way down/stop life to move past it (but I often get frustrated with myself and keep trying to push past it). Otherwise I kinda sabotage all the things - late to everything, confused at the grocery store, can't decide what to do with my day, forget plans, all the things... I will feel this way for a time and I don't totally forget it but it is pretty distinct when its over, its like ive been in this dark fog and then sometimes suddenly i can see colour again. I wonder if that is some sort of switching?
Beyond that I don't have distinct things happening like that but I do feel like something in me is very close to the surface often, and though it never fully takes over, it is still always there influencing things to varying degrees at different times...
Thank you for your videos! I believe it will help alot of people in many ways. Also believe many people will realize they have DID. Your videos will be very helpful, informative and comforting to them and the people who love them!
Thank you! ❤️
Is there a video going over the differences between OSDD and Complex PSTD?
I've been thinking I have OSDD for a while, waiting to find someone who can diagnose it, but my newest therapist is saying it's PTSD
Thank you so much your content is highly relatable. In particular I experience difficulty conveying to others my experience of many of the experiences you discuss. No one in the healthcare system here in Manitoba understand dissociation and DID.
We really relate to this video thanks!
A question that has been bothering moi:
Are fragments their own person? Or can they influence our main person(host)?
They can influence the main host! For sure. 100%
Whether fragments are a person is a much more complicated question, because we still aren’t sure what a neurotypical ‘person’ is outside of “the thing that inhabits a body” which doesn’t apply to plural folks. There’s still much research in this area, and it needs to start with “do alters qualify as people” (and the answer is yes the research field just hasn’t done that yet).
There’s currently two theories circulating within the community/some professional books:
1. Fragments are not whole people, and hold only specific emotions of memories, and need significant time in the front to gain emotional/cognitive bandwidth to be people
2. Fragments and EP’s are parts stuck in trauma time, with trauma being the only think they can remember/think of - and once they work through the trauma they can finally remember that they were always a person and work towards that
So anyways I’ll let you do some more personal research on that and come to your own conclusions! It’s 1 am and I’m not sure where I’m going. I hope that helps anyways :)
Great video. Very informative. Thanks 😊
Does sighing when chur awtew who u were tawking with sighs when u didn't mean to count as speech intwusion?
It could!
Can a part move from mere passive influence to completely and permanently taking over the front?
Could you have passive influence without any full switches?
Yeah! There’s a variation of OSDD-1 that only has passive influence and no switching. You can read more here: did-research.org/comorbid/dd/osdd_udd/did_osdd.html
May we talk more about passive influence? Hope your week is well!
Soooooo I've got a question for you, hopefully you'll be able to help us out. I'm the host of an osdd1b system. At first, when I first learned about the disorder and I was fighting it with all my might trying to convince myself that they weren't real, passive influence was incredibly common. I would find myself doing incredibly weird things, completely out of character. Sometimes I would forget how to hold a pencil and how to draw, or I would find myself sucking my thumb while watching a film and feel absolutely embarrassed and unsettled. I would wake up thinking and talking in a perfect French ( I learnt it as a kid but I left it) and then forget it again completely. I could go on but you get the gist of it.
After that initial period of denial I finally decided to accept them and to try and get to know them and trust them. After a while the passive influence experiences sort of disappeared. I hardly ever experience intrusions or withdrawal, sometimes it still happens with the kids, but it's more of an urge rather than an actual action. I can't really speak for the rest of them, of course we would stop the kids and the persecutor to do some things that could harm the system or the body, so I suppose that counts as passive influence?
I don't really know.. does that invalid us as a system? Or does it just mean that there's good communication?
It doesn’t invalidate you guys! It’s probably a reaction to a change in the environment, how you’re treating them, or any number of things. Changes in your system are normal, and you’ll get through this 💕
@@TheRingsSystem thank you so much for your kind answer.. it really does reassure us.. 💕
i saw ask reddit video on this and found your youtube channel and after watching one of your vids of you explaining osdd i think i have it or somting similar, what shoud a do/ how to find out if a have it?
I'd recommend bringing it up with a therapist! If you can find one, someone who specializes in trauma disorders or dissociative disorders would be great :)
@@TheRingsSystem okay i will try to do that thx
Not to be off topic but do osdd 1b systems always get headaches? I get some sometimes but there not horrible just irritating and sometimes it's just pressure in my head
Not always! Some systems get them and some don't, and how often really varies!
So useful, thank you so much!
Thank you!
How can you tell the difference between passive influence and just not being in touch with your emotions or being naturally forgetful? I relate to a lot of these things but i am not a system. What sets passive influence apart for you as something other than just blanking on a word, thought, emotion, etc?
It's really hard to describe but I do know the difference between when I'm just blanking on something vs when a thought has been "snatched" by another alter. You can kinda feel it, and also, you JUST knew it, and you remember knowing it, and now it's gone. It's hard to differentiate, but it helps that sometimes you can talk to the person who've giving you passive influence :)
What if someone has did AND schizophrenia? How do you know if it's passive influence or a symptom of schizophrenia?
So people who don't have DID don't have these internal conversations?
Funny example: 12 was on, 05 was working on something in the background. 05 is the only one that types with a semicolon and it ended up in 12's thing. 12 was pissed.
Not funny example: 04 and 14 are fighting over what to do... so we're watching this vid instead of doing either thing
Passive influence is such a massive thing. I think probably it's what helps hosts realise or at least start question whether they are a system. Certainly it played a big role for us.
- Jamie (host)
I felt that I could deny my diagnosis of DID until today, because I had the idea that DID was one alter switching places with another. I thought I had just created DID. Now, I can see that it can be different. How you describe it is how I mostly experience my daily life. I called it flavouring though. Maybe it happens that way cause full switching with amnesia requires more effort and why deal with the world when you can get what you want without coming out. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️😳😳😳 So it's true then, the shrink was right.
Sometimes therapists are perceptive like that :)
I’m glad you mentioned that passive influence can be a good indicator of who is close by / co-conscious. As a newly discovered OSDD-1b system, I’m having a very hard time figuring out who is, and what is me versus passive influence from someone else. We seem to be very blendy a lot of the time. My alters also seem to have trouble figuring themselves out. They are writing in the journal things like “I know I’m not X [host] but I’m not sure who I am”]. We are really struggling to figure out where the “divisions” are between us. I think a good strategy will be to write down whenever we feel a thought or emotion or action that doesn’t feel like it belongs to us. If we take notes on that enough and then compare the notes, hopefully it will help us sort ourselves out 😜 I think the easiest passive influence to identify is our little - she is obsessed with stickers and butterflies and flowers and loves stuffed animals, etc. so easy to know when she is passive influencing 🥰
Yes. This. Exactly this. Thank you. We are the same. We have found it helpful to write down each alters name with any defining things about them. We also try to have each alter pick a favorite shirt or stuffed animal. So when we get stuck not knowing who we are or who is co con, we try to think about what shirt we want to wear or what toy we want. Somehow it helps even if you don't know who you are at the moment. We seem to be blended all of the time. Good luck! Hope you start figuring it out. It is not easy.
@@themeltyrainbow6711 we did the same thing
We have always struggled to find the separation and divisions as well between us. Lots of blending for us
I have a lot of this happening. Way more often than switching. Im right handed, and one is left handed. They were close and i ate an entire meal left handed with chopsticks
All your videos match exactly with how I feel and it's kinda scary and I'm not completely sure if I have osdd-1b or maybe my brain is tricking me and I just have different personalities
Regardless of labels, your baseline lived experience is valid! Whether or not DID or OSDD or anything is the right label, what you're experiencing is real ❤️
Your explanations are so clear, thank you! Very validating. :)
I’ve never been to a video in under a min of it being uploaded :O
Excited to hear about this topic further :)
Congrats!
What happened to your arm? I hope you didn't get hurt...
Btw I started cleaning my screen, when I noticed it was your background that wasn't plain 😂
So and I experienced all of this a LOT during stationary therapy and I was so freaked out. I mean it first drew my attention to it and I couldn't believe all this is happening and I couldn't do nothing about it. And all this time before made sense of having to deal with conflicts and inner resistance.
Now I'm back and there's barely occasions where I feel anything. Instead it's such a clear pattern, I feel who's there by the way of speaking and their perspective on life and I don't fight it or run around anymore why I'm inconsistent, but I understand and write it down.
And we've got a system now of colours and try to sort the name tags to our writings and understand who's out.
Plus we try to be considerate about all parts in decisions and that's really been the great life saver they've taught me, because I didn't before and it ended in a dangerous, self destructive mess.
Now it's kind of... Peace... And it's quiet and easy to go along. Let's see how things will show to be in the future 😊👍
Thanks for the video and have a nice day 🐾💟 or (possible Trigger ->
Have nice holidays💟👍😊)
I’m glad things have been working out for your system!!
And our arm is fine, we just have pretty severe eczema that slowly migrates around the body. It’s on our right arm and hands right now, but there’s not much we can do about it! :)
I have had thought withdrawls as long as I can remember and for ages I've been describing it as "someone doesn't want me to remember that thought" even though I didn't know I had DID.
I'm curious to know: In our system, if someone is having really big feelings at the moment, whoever is fronting at the time can usually feel it. It's sort of like a volume level where if the upset alter is close enough or loud enough, then we'll hear them. We've recently noticed that some of us are more sensitive to the emotions of others in the system than others. I (the host) seem to be constantly aware when someone else is having a wave of anxiety or grief, whereas there are a few in our system who don't feel much of the others' emotions at all. I'm wondering if this sharing of feelings counts as passive influence too?
Sharing feelings absolutely counts as passive influence! :)
thank you so much this - have you heard of it being common to have passive influence several times a day, lasting several minutes or even hours? We feel our amnesia walls are not "as tall" anymore - we are breaking down the walls intentionally in therapy, but as an OSDD-1a system, we don't feel very distinct from each other so the passive influence and co-front is happening more often than usual - oh and the skill set withdrawal is super common for us too.
Oh yeah! Passive influence can happen a looooot
Hey Silver! I've been watching your videos for a few weeks now, and I just want to thank you for how helpful they have been in me figuring myself out. They have also been a huge comfort, it is a very nice feeling to know there are other people who can understand what I am going through
I'm so glad we could help!! :)
Thank you for what you’re doing with these videos. Any information put out there is like another piece to the puzzle and it helps. ❤️
Just watched your latest video, totally get you. Also that's a good rule - whoever would most like to do X can do X, if they can front for it and are able to do it. We've basically been doing that, but I think we'll make it a formal rule :)
Would've left this on that video but comments are disabled. Is that intentional?
Sim
The Phoenix System
Oh no it's not!! Oh my gosh thanks for letting us know haha
Comments enabled now!! Thanks so much again
@@TheRingsSystem Haha, couldn't see why it would be, thought it worth checking :)
oh this explains a lot. I feel like im being physically prevented from telling people about us, for example
YUS!!!!!!!!! XD!